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FANS THINK FIX WAS IN FOR CHARGERS-STEELERS

We need to start this item off by explaining unequivocally that we don’t think that NFL games are fixed.  Bad calls happen, but we believe that they’re simply that — bad calls.  Human error.  We don’t buy for a second that there’s something more sinister happening.
But we wouldn’t be doing our job if we didn’t point out that we’ve been flooded by e-mails tonight regarding the perception that the game between the Chargers and the Steelers was in some way fixed.
Again, we don’t buy it.  But we can understand why some fans might believe it (albeit incorrectly), given the bizarre manner in which the last play of the game was handled, with the Steelers losing a defensive touchdown that would have caused them to cover the spread.
Several other readers have pointed out the fact that the Steelers were penalized 13 times for 115 yards.  The Chargers were flagged twice (including the illegal forward pass on the final play) for a total of five yards.
Again, we think that the game was called on the level.  But the disparity in penalty yardage is causing some to believe that it wasn’t.
The surrounding circumstances won’t prompt many/any of the conspiracy theorists to conclude that the outcome of this one was legit.  Chairman Dan Rooney is trying to come up with $750 million or so in cash and financing to buy out his brothers.  Why?  Because the other official family industry is gambling, and those who prefer to profit via games of chance are being required to sell their stake in a team that originally was bought after family patriarch Art Rooney, Sr., had a big run at the track.
Again, we do not believe that the game was rigged, or that anything improper occurred.  But what we think doesn’t matter; if enough average fans become sufficiently convinced that something improper went down, it becomes a problem for the NFL.
In the post-Donaghy era of pro sports, the NFL needs to be more vigilant than ever not only to avoid actual impropriety, but to eliminate any potential appearance of it.  Hopefully, Sunday’s events will cause the NFL to look for ways to make their procedures even better. 

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93 Responses to “FANS THINK FIX WAS IN FOR CHARGERS-STEELERS”
  1. Mac says: Nov 16, 2008 11:05 PM

    Steelers fans bitching about a game being fixed? That’s effin priceless.
    Signed,
    Every Seahawks fan
    PS – Bill Leavy, bitches. Bill Leavy.

  2. mattmentecky says: Nov 16, 2008 11:05 PM

    Thanks for at least bringing it up Florio

  3. milehiclown says: Nov 16, 2008 11:07 PM

    Two words (for those that think the games are fixed): GAMBLERS ANONYMOUS.

  4. me says: Nov 16, 2008 11:07 PM

    In no way was this game fixed.
    Counting my winnings,
    Signed,
    Mike Pereira

  5. VikingAP says: Nov 16, 2008 11:10 PM

    Wait so because one team gets penalized more than the other there’s a fix? LOL

  6. mborz says: Nov 16, 2008 11:16 PM

    I’m unclear on one thing: Do you think the game was fixed Florio?

  7. skinnysweatyman3 says: Nov 16, 2008 11:19 PM

    It’s one thing for one referee on a crew of three in a NBA game to shave a few points during the course of an fairly anonymous 82 game season. I think it’s a little different for a crew of 7 to all be in on the fix in an NFL game. Obviously the NFL is monitering these crews and I think we would know if all of their games had a penalty ratio of 13/2.
    And anyone that watched the last play of that game had to be a least a little confused. Nance and Simms had no idea what the right call was and with all the players coming on the field they obviously didn’t talk it over enough to get it right.
    Here’s an idea. Another ref type person in a booth that is a scholar of the rule book that can radio down to a ref for any of these rule interpretations, such as whether or not a play is reviewable, or whether or not regular season games can end in a tie (the second one was a joke. Unless any other 10 year veterans in the league are confused by NFL overtime rules).

  8. JonD says: Nov 16, 2008 11:20 PM

    Mike, i think you should stop doing crack this late. It’s not good for you.

  9. jdlaroo says: Nov 16, 2008 11:20 PM

    In all probability there was no fix in this game. However, as I sat watching it and seeing that ref crew call one penalty after another on Pittsburgh, many of them marginal, the thought did cross my mind that the ref might have laid down a few bucks on the game. I’m sure it’s games like this one that cause Mike Pereira’s sphincter to tighten up like it never has before.

  10. Bob S. says: Nov 16, 2008 11:25 PM

    How about the NFL having the refs change the score of the Steelers/Chargers game to beat the spread?
    Worst fix job so obvious even Stevie Wonder could see it. Steelers were 5 point favorites. That was not a forward pass it was not even close. It was a lateral backwards lateral fumbled , dropped and picked up by steelers polamalu and run back for TD.
    11-10 became 17-10 then ref after saying the opposite promptly ended the game CHANGING IT BACK TO 11-10.
    the lying perreira or whatever his name is will make up some new bs to tell the media.
    Yeah right! And Hochuli’s call in the Denver/San Diego(same co-incidence?) that decided the outcome – that was a legit call too by an honest man?

  11. Showtime Hayden says: Nov 16, 2008 11:25 PM

    the other aspect of this is the effect on fantasy football. i know i probably sound like a dork for saying this, but i almost lost my game today because of the fumble recovery and touchdown being called back. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that it decided more than a few games.

  12. jbruder02 says: Nov 16, 2008 11:26 PM

    How does one team get 7x the amount of penalties as it’s opponent? Also please explain to me the pass interference call against Ike Taylor that set up the only touchdown of the game? Everyone and their mother knows that it wasn’t a pass interference, but they called it. What a joke.

  13. freedomispopular says: Nov 16, 2008 11:28 PM

    Let’s just get rid of refs. Just let the players do whatever they want on the field. It would considerably cut down the whining that some people like to do.

  14. titans_fan says: Nov 16, 2008 11:29 PM

    Haha! Pretty bad when fans bitch about a game being fixed AND THEIR FREAKIN TEAM WON!
    What a bunch of losers.

  15. thekov says: Nov 16, 2008 11:31 PM

    The theory shouldn’t be that the game itself was fixed, but rather that the call ruling that the touchdown scored at the end of the game didn’t count. The Steelers were favored by 4 1/2, and they would have covered with that TD. The amount of time it took for the referee to arrive at the wrong call after initially making the correct call at least appears fishy, although it did not affect the outcome of the game.
    I only believe that the NFL skews game outcomes during the playoffs, when it is in their financial interest to do so, so this is probably just a mistake as Florio suggests.

  16. hesawinner says: Nov 16, 2008 11:33 PM

    Well that’s really dissapointing, Mr. Florio. You’re taking up the NFL’s false debate about overall penalties called. That is for the fans of each team to argue about. The last call was the overwhelming integrity issue, and for that reason, Pereira and now I’ll assume, PFT, will focus on the penalty ratio to divert attention away from the reviewed and intentionally miscalled TD that would have messed up the pointspread.

  17. B1ACK A1 says: Nov 16, 2008 11:34 PM

    It was widely claimed that the NBA was fixed for years, and those claims were equally denied. Then it turned out that many games actually were fixed, the full extent to which we will never know.
    ALOT of money changed hands (or didn’t change hands) from the phantom call at the end of the game. It was a “victimless” call that changed the final score of the game but not the victor.
    I counted 8 instances in the above article that denied that an NFL game could ever be fixed, or at least shaved. But come on guys. They is far too much money at stake to assume that something like this could NEVER happen. Remain open to the possibility and use your influence as THE source of NFL news to make the right people answer the right questions. The points should be put back on the board and any questions of improper officiating become null.

  18. Favre2012 says: Nov 16, 2008 11:36 PM

    haha you are gonna be a joke soon if you start paying attention to conspiracy nuts. I expect better from you, Florio. A LOT better.
    It’s simple incompetence by the refs, and that happens every week. It just so happened that it was on the last play.

  19. kaygee08 says: Nov 16, 2008 11:39 PM

    Florio, you need to change the title to “Fans *KNOW* fix was in for Chargers-Steelers”.

  20. Bob S. says: Nov 16, 2008 11:41 PM

    There have been MANY refs in top class European soccer caught fixing soccer games. Olympic judges fixed ice skating. But the sport that has the most betting of all the NFL – their officials and owners are honest? Give me a break! The Rooney family and the Mara family for 2 made their fortune as bookmakers right from the days it was legal.
    In the late 40s a bunch of NFL players were barred because of betting. So was Karras and Hornung in 60s.
    Back after merger of AFL and NFL, Vegas casinos were burnt by bets on Kansas City Chiefs games. Vegas came out with betting lines each week for all games on schedule EXCEPT the Kansas City Chiefs games. Pete Rozelle went to Vegas and begged the casinos to please put up a line for Chiefs games because fans were beginning to think that the NFL is not on the level. And they then stared putting Chiefs games back on the weekly lines. President Nixon supported Chiefs QB Len Dawson who had been one those accused and Nixon said Dawson was honest. That’s Nixon who said this.
    All I know is the ref made his call, then someone on his ear phone made him take away that 6 points that would have made anyone who bet on the Steelers a winner and anyone who bet on San Diego a loser.
    And that was NOT a forward pass! This was outright theft(fraud)!

  21. Bob S. says: Nov 16, 2008 11:42 PM

    Note- I did NOT bet on this game or either team.

  22. Eustus says: Nov 16, 2008 11:48 PM

    I lost money on the Steelers tonight. I still don’t think the game was fixed. I’m pissed that the refs blew the call but I don’t think it was intentional.
    Did anyone else catch Costas at halftime of the Sunday-nighter that the illegal forward pass shouldn’t have stopped the play and that Polamalu’s touchdown should have been good; the league admitted as such but because the final score was in the books, the score wouldn’t be changed?
    Inept? For sure. Fixed? No.
    There have been times when I’ve wondered if the playing field were tilted in favour of a big-market or marquee team (like when the Steelers beat the Seahawks in the Superbowl or Vinny Testaverde’s phantom touchdown) but never have I felt like it has been done for gambling.

  23. dukeofmadness says: Nov 16, 2008 11:50 PM

    Steelers fans are quickly becoming bigger pains in the ass than Packer fans. Get a life, people.

  24. Bob S. says: Nov 17, 2008 12:01 AM

    NFL covered it up then as they do now for real money today
    —-
    1946
    Quarterback Frankie Filchock, an understudy to Sammy Baugh at Washington, signed with the Giants for a reported $35,000. Filchock and teammate, back Merle Hapes, were questioned about an attempt by a New York man to fix the championship game with the Chicago Bears. Hapes was suspended indefinitely for the alleged gambling involvement, but Filchock was allowed to continue playing. Eventually getting blackballed and going to play in Canada.
    The Giants went on to lose the title game to Chicago, 24-14.
    Filchock led the team from a 3-6-1 record in 1945 to 7-3-1 and first place in the Eastern Conference in 1946. This set up the 1946 NFL title game with the Chicago Bears, scheduled for Sunday, December 15.
    The scandal
    Hours before game time, a story broke on radio that gamblers had attempted to fix the game–and that Filchock and another Giant back, Merle Hapes, were involved.
    It later developed New York City mayor Bill O’Dwyer, NFL commissioner Bert Bell, police commissioner Arthur Wallander and Giants’ owner Tim Mara had met in the mayor’s office to assess the situation on the day before the game. O’Dwyer also wanted to meet with the players, and Filchock and Hapes were brought to the mayor’s residence later that day. At this meeting, Hapes admitted being approached, while Filchock denied it.
    At 2 a.m. Sunday, only twelve hours before game time, the district attorney’s office announced that Filchock and Hapes had been offered $2,500 each plus the profits from a $1,000 bet that Chicago would win by more than ten points. The players also had been offered off-season jobs supposed to bring them another $15,000.
    Bell announced that although the police had concluded no player had taken a bribe, the league would conduct its own investigation of the offers. The championship game would go ahead as scheduled. Filchock, who during the meeting with the mayor had denied being approached, would be allowed to play in the game. Hapes, who had admitted his failure to report the bribe attempt, would not be allowed to play.
    Thus the Giants went into the game minus one of their backfield stars and with a cloud hanging over another. When Filchock was introduced, he was roundly booed.
    He reportedly played hard, suffering a broken nose, but the Giants lost to the Bears 24-14. This was the precise betting line of the gamblers; they neither won nor lost their bets.
    Filchock played 50 minutes and was responsible for all of the Giants’ scoring, throwing touchdown passes to Frank Liebel and Steve Filipowicz. He completed 9 of 26 passes for 128 yards and had 6 intercepted. The winning players each received $1,975.82, the losers $1,295.57. Both Filchock and Hapes received full shares.
    The day after the game, the Associated Press reported Alvin J. Paris, a self-styled ‘big bettor’ on athletic contests, was arraigned on a bribery charge, accused of having offered Merle Hapes and Frank Filchock, Giant backfield men, $2,500 each to agree not to play their best in the championship contest. Police exonerated both players but Hapes was kept out of the game at the order of Bert Bell, commissioner of the league. Filchock, the key man in the Giants’ backfield, played virtually all the game

  25. TheAzzMan says: Nov 17, 2008 12:04 AM

    Where the hell did he say it was Steelers fans doing the complaining about the game being fixed Mac? There are millions of bettors out there that are more than furious at the outcome of this game. Every time a call goes against Pittsburgh, you think its somehow justified because your Seahags couldn’t kick field goals or catch easy passes in the Super Bowl? Tough shit. Seriously, get over it already. Some of you Seahawks fans are downright laughable.

  26. SteelerGal says: Nov 17, 2008 12:07 AM

    Viking-
    It’s not like this was a game where we got 13 penalties and they got 10, this was we got 13 penalties for 115 yards and they got 1 offsides call for 5 yards. I’m not even going to count the “illegal forward pass” call in the last seconds of the game that was against the Chargers but wiped out a recovery TD for Polomalu, because it adversely affected us and not them.
    I’m not saying the game was fixed either, but I have never ever in my life seen such a gap in penalties. If you were to go back and watch the game too you would see that there are many times that the Chargers commit holding penalties against Woodley and Harrison but are never called. It was just extremely poor officiating and I’m getting tired of seeing it in ALL NFL games.

  27. Bubby Brister says: Nov 17, 2008 12:08 AM

    Every Seahawks fan,
    Even if this game were fixed, the Steelers overcame it and won anyway. That’s what being a winner is made of.

  28. AFKfootball says: Nov 17, 2008 12:10 AM

    If the argument that “they’re human” can be used for blown calls and lopsided errors, why can’t the same argument be applied to the conspiracy side of things? Don’t similar humans gamble?

  29. deymond says: Nov 17, 2008 12:13 AM

    Regardless of what Florio has to say about the integrity of his advertisers (and the fact that I agree), the NFL owes its fans a clear explanation of what the referee believed had happened.

  30. GMenbacktoback says: Nov 17, 2008 12:17 AM

    I think games are fixed. not so much team vs team like this accusation says, but for sure over and unders..
    in my opinion a flag could be thrown on just about every single play. whether it be illegal hands to the face, holding, illegal contact, pass interference. a few flags here and there can easily dictate an over under.

  31. rmiller517 says: Nov 17, 2008 12:18 AM

    Why would anybody ever fix a pro sporting event game?
    Signed,
    Tim Donaghy

  32. zwilson says: Nov 17, 2008 12:26 AM

    Go back and watch the PI (if you choose to call it that) that set up the first TD- might be the worst call ever.

  33. effnbills says: Nov 17, 2008 12:30 AM

    anyone with half a brain could tell it was fixed…i didnt bet the game and im not a steelers fan

  34. NonYahooHotmailAcct says: Nov 17, 2008 12:36 AM

    I just want my fantasy points for Polamalu’s TD.

  35. MarkB says: Nov 17, 2008 12:43 AM

    “Average” fans are morons. The point spread crowd are degenerates – who gives a flyin’ rat’s ass about them?

  36. effnbills says: Nov 17, 2008 12:44 AM

    this isnt the only time its happened either…last week I think the Panthers/Raiders game was fixed. With 1:50 to go and Carolina up 17-6 the Raiders got the ball. They drove 37 yards and spiked the ball with 9 seconds to go. The game was not to be won by the Raiders so what did they do? Like any other team would have threw one to the endzone for the TD right? Wrong! They lined up and attempted a FG but missed. What a coincidence that the spread had Raiders getting 10&1/2 points. If they would have made it they would have covered.

  37. Viffer says: Nov 17, 2008 1:07 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ50HtU6BSM
    Why of course that is a illegal forward pass. Holy NIGHT!!!!

  38. PDXNinerfan says: Nov 17, 2008 1:20 AM

    Damn Quantum…first Bolivia, now Pittsburgh.

  39. JuicyMelon says: Nov 17, 2008 1:31 AM

    I hate to say it, but I do think the NFL is fixed. There has been numerous occasions during this season and seasons past that I seriously wondered if games are fixed. I hope that all NFL games are legit, but it wouldn’t shock me if they were fixed.

  40. twindaddy says: Nov 17, 2008 1:39 AM

    Steelers fans are crying about the ref’s trying to “fix” the game? They sure didn’t look a gift horse in the mouth in Detroit a few years ago when the ref’s pretty much gave them the game.

  41. Osiris333 says: Nov 17, 2008 1:54 AM

    “Fixed” is one thing. It happens rarely. Super Bowl XL was fixed. Joey Porter was right when he said the NFL had an agenda to get the Colts into Super Bowl XL that year (he just got the agenda wrong). What happens more often is that human beings get drunk with power and start imposing thier will on the game (see Rodgers, Aaron, Illegal forward pass).
    But go back to a 2001 game between the Dolphins and the Seahawks and watch the Shaun Alexander “fumble” sequence and tell me Bob McElewe didn’t deliberatly screw the Seahawks after Mike Holmgren gave him an earfull. It’s the most transparent case of retribution against a team by a ref ever seen.
    Reap what you sow, NFL.

  42. Torc says: Nov 17, 2008 1:56 AM

    Bob S. – “That was not a forward pass it was not even close. It was a lateral backwards lateral fumbled , dropped and picked up by steelers polamalu and run back for TD.”
    You’re looking at the wrong one. There were two laterals on the play – the first one was illegal. Tomlinson tosses it to Gates, and it goes from about the 25 to the 26. The fumbled lateral wasn’t in question.

  43. Great Falconi says: Nov 17, 2008 1:57 AM

    Here’s an idea:
    Maybe Dan Rooney bet big on the Chargers? He’s gotta raise a little dough, you know.

  44. Dont Taze Me Bro says: Nov 17, 2008 2:11 AM

    It was like the Steelers were playing against Michigan with Big Ten refs.

  45. thecurseofmapco says: Nov 17, 2008 2:30 AM

    The whole point of fixing a sporting event is that it’s supposed to be a clandestine operation. It has to look natural to avoid suspicion. You can’t have it both ways. The officials in this game can’t be simultaneously dumb enough to appear that they are obviously fixing the game, yet smart enough to hide their actions from the NFL and anyone else who would investigate. And don’t claim the NFL would sanction their actions, because if the NFL would stand to lose much more in credibility than they could ever gain by influencing the outcomes of games.
    I am a diehard Steelers fan, and I’ll admit that with the exception of the interference call on Ike and the fact that they called out the wrong jersey number on several calls, the penalties called on Pittsburgh were penalties. However, those same penalties were not called on San Diego. There was one play where both McNeill and Dielman held James Harrison by the facemask while Harrison pushed them both into the backfield in obvious view of the play, yet no call. In addition, there were at least five or six egregious non-calls on SD for holding on Harrison and Woodley. The inexcusable thing is for referees to actually go in and review plays, look at slow motion of several angles, and still somehow get the call wrong, which they did twice (Floyd’s catch late in the 2nd that should have been ruled inconclusive, and the final play of the game).
    I heard earlier tonight that those who bet on the Steelers lost something along the lines $32 million because of that final play. If I have that kind of money laid on this game being fixed, I’m not going to trust it to refs who can’t even make the correct call on a replay, and if I’m a referee fixing a game I’m not going to make it obvious to the world what I’m doing.

  46. TheAzzMan says: Nov 17, 2008 2:42 AM

    Scott Green was the same ref in the Pats-Rams game which prompted Jim Haslett to send a video tape to the league because his team was penalized 9 times to New England’s 0.

  47. raiderdaveUSN says: Nov 17, 2008 4:09 AM

    I also want my damm FF points, I am a raiderfan so I always think the refs got it out for some teams, or trying to cover a spread, I watch the play over and over I just did not see it, maybe I am wrong but I was with about ten other navy and marines that just did not see how that was a forward pass any where in that play

  48. Hollywood Wags says: Nov 17, 2008 4:58 AM

    You watch every defensive play and you tell me if Harrison isn’t mugged on every one. How those idiots can miss it is amazing when they can find ticky tack holds on ward. Harrison was blatantly held with a hand under his goddamn face mask at least once right in front of the ref.
    I have a feeling that this game was a game which the NFL “got back” at Hines Ward.
    And Goodell thinks we’re unable to see it? He better put that W&J education to use.

  49. captainwoj says: Nov 17, 2008 6:14 AM

    Somethine else to consider… Probably won’t come to this, but what effect would this have on a tie breaker? Taking 6-7 points away from the Steelers could have an impact on playoff seeding (or whether or not they make the playoffs altogether).
    Like I said, it probably won’t get to that since scoring is the #6 thing that’s considered. But, given the way this season has gone, it wouldn’t surprise me either.

  50. kessdaman says: Nov 17, 2008 6:22 AM

    I would start the investigation on the referee. He let numerous San Diego holding calls on Harrison/Woodley go, took off the TD at the end by Parker, then also took off the Troy TD. I wonder how much of a ticket he cashed. This game was the worst officiated I have ever seen. I’m sure the Steelers will be sending mass amounts of tape to the league. Points are also a tie-breaker(#7), so this may impact the Steelers. We all know this commish has no stones.

  51. mrmagoo says: Nov 17, 2008 6:32 AM

    Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity. — Robert A. Heinlein

  52. joetoronto says: Nov 17, 2008 6:38 AM

    Torc says:
    November 17th, 2008 at 1:56 am
    Bob S. – “That was not a forward pass it was not even close. It was a lateral backwards lateral fumbled , dropped and picked up by steelers polamalu and run back for TD.”
    You’re looking at the wrong one. There were two laterals on the play – the first one was illegal. Tomlinson tosses it to Gates, and it goes from about the 25 to the 26. The fumbled lateral wasn’t in question.
    Ding ding ding, we have a winner!
    I watched the play frame by frame, after thinking it was a bad call, and they actually got it right. It was very similar to the music city miracle, but this time it was a pitch as opposed to a throw and the pitch was forward by at least a full yard.

  53. fio68 says: Nov 17, 2008 6:48 AM

    NATIONAL FIXED LEAGUE – ESPECIALLY THE SUPERBOWLS & LAST YEARS – JERSEY GIANTS

  54. blchaney69 says: Nov 17, 2008 7:01 AM

    I’m a Die Hard Steelers Fan… I do Not Believe any NFL games are fixed… However, I think the Refs sucked.. The pass interference that led to the Only TD for the Chargers was a Horrible call.. the penalty discrepency was a little crazy although the Hold on Parkers TD was a great call… And the Last play of the game was unexceptable!! Neither lateral was even close to being a forward pitch.. Final Score 18-10..

  55. filbertkiwi71 says: Nov 17, 2008 7:23 AM

    Pittsburgh wasn’t called for the helmet to helmet hit on Sproles. I don’t believe the refs were intentionally doing anything to benefit the Chargers.

  56. Bob S. says: Nov 17, 2008 7:29 AM

    thecurseofmapco
    “I heard earlier tonight that those who bet on the Steelers lost something along the lines $32 million because of that final play. If I have that kind of money laid on this game being fixed, I’m not going to trust it to refs who can’t even make the correct call on a replay, and if I’m a referee fixing a game I’m not going to make it obvious to the world what I’m doing.”

    they must be talking of the total bet by all at the casinos on the steelers. but much more is bet on nfl on the web or with underground bookies. i remember well at giants game before cell phones and the internet, you had to stand 10 deep at the many payphones at giants stadium to make a phone call in the half hour before a game and if you were in line you clearly heard each and every caller make their bets that day over the phone to whoever they were talking to.
    i once read back when already there were only 14 nfl teams – 7 games. it was estimated that more money was bet on nfl football legally at vegas books and illegally with other books each year than was bet on horseracing all year long.
    doesn’t appear at all that players are shaving points or fixing games. but it sure does appear the refs are manipulating the scores/outcomes of games and they are backed by nfl higher ups. if this can happen in european soccer wherer there is similar huge betting and fans watching it can and is happenening here. no ref is being fired for his work- none of them by the nfl. that itself is very troubling. so is the connection of nfl owners to gambling industry.

  57. EmmitsEnglishTeacher says: Nov 17, 2008 7:47 AM

    Its one of two, the ref crew is dumb as a box of rocks or the fix was in. I personally beleive they occasionally fix games (without effecting the team that wins) It happens and happened right here. There is no possible way they are that f’n dumb. complete BS.
    That ref should be fired for incompetence or questionable and suspect behavior and lose his game check!

  58. Bob S. says: Nov 17, 2008 7:48 AM

    Torc says:
    There were two laterals on the play – the first one was illegal. Tomlinson tosses it to Gates, and it goes from about the 25 to the 26. The fumbled lateral wasn’t in question.

    Look at it closely again.
    BOTH laterals were LATERALS and LEGAL!
    the score was fixed by the refs for the NFL
    there obviously must have been more action on the steelers than on the chargers
    and dont fall for the bs that half the action on every game falls on each side and the books make their money on the juice ONLY.
    the books operate on the belief they eventually the bettors eventually lose. BUT they are not satisfied just with their commission when they have been able now to manipulate scores through the refs by the nfl owners themselves controlling these refs on the field and in the booth like yesterday.

  59. The Jimmy says: Nov 17, 2008 8:17 AM

    Incompetent officiating ….which occurs weekly.
    Here’s an idea. How about the NFL takes some if it’s millions and hires professional officials, who are in good physical shape, intelligent, motivated, and know the rules inside out.
    If officiating were their only job they might be better at it.

  60. Walrus says: Nov 17, 2008 8:20 AM

    Like all other cases of penalty inequities, the Steelers were called for more penalties because they committed more penalties.
    If the ref’s were trying to manipulate the outcome, they would have overturned Palomalo’s interception in the first period. While that was an interception and a great play, any ref worth his bribe would have taken the opportunity to influence the game right there.
    The Steelers have been playing poorly on offense because of poor coaching.

  61. Don Corleone says: Nov 17, 2008 8:38 AM

    jbruder02 says:
    November 16th, 2008 at 11:26 pm
    How does one team get 7x the amount of penalties as it’s opponent? Also please explain to me the pass interference call against Ike Taylor that set up the only touchdown of the game? Everyone and their mother knows that it wasn’t a pass interference, but they called it. What a joke.
    I agree with JBruder here. I’m not going along with the ‘Fix’ talk, but that call was criminal. The rules are difficult enough for the defensive back to make plays and compete. When Pass Interference is called on such a brilliant defensive play, I wonder how many defensive players watching the game think to themselves “Maybe I should try playing offense.” It seems like its not 11-on-11 anymore.
    Refs suck.

  62. joe6606 says: Nov 17, 2008 8:41 AM

    15 mins were spent/wasted reviewing a play that had absolutely NO effect on the outcome of the game….
    The only people affected by the decision were those betting the spread…
    Anyone who watched the game, even those who arent Steelers fans, cannot help but admit that the ref’s decisions at least appeared to be influenced towards fixing the final score.
    Honestly, why review the call in the 1st place? Even if the call on the field had been wrong, time had expired and the game was over. I think it’s pretty clear that of all the intended uses of instant replay, this play was NOT one of those that should have been even reviewed in the 1st place

  63. monger says: Nov 17, 2008 8:53 AM

    The outright ignorance and stupidity displayed by people in this country is staggering. It’s amazing the country manages to function at all. From now on this game should be called The Smokescreen Game.
    This game was fixed from beginning to end, and it was fixed for the sole purpose of defusing future claims of fixing in favor of the Steelers.
    In case anyone missed it the Steelers won the game. You thought their win over the Seahawks was blatantly handed to them, well you ain’t seen nuthin yet. The Rooney’s mob connections are going to go out with a bang and that means another Lombardi, and they’re doing anything and everything to get it.
    Don’t be one of those idiots who think the bookies lost or gained money on that last play. The bookies make their money with the juice. The sole and entire purpose of the betting line and odds is to make sure that the same amount of money is risked on both teams. The bookies win no matter who wins the game or by how much.
    The game sure as hell was fixed, but it had nothing to do with the money bet on it.

  64. amtann says: Nov 17, 2008 8:55 AM

    First off, I won the game because I teased Pitt. Second, I’m not a fan of any city – I couldn’t care less whether it’s Pitt or Cleveland or Miami or SD.
    Third – Those refs FIXED, FIXED, FIXED that game.
    Forget the “review” at the end of the game. Three plays earlier, they called back another touchdown for a holding penalty that didn’t even affect the play. They thought they were out of the woods when Pitt kicks the FG; then their worst nightmare on “a one in a hundred-thousand” play occurs and Pitt scores a defensive touchdown on the last play of the game. They review it because…..because it effects the outcome? No. They review it because they don’t know what else to do to make sure Pitt doesn’t cover. Reminds me a lot of why I stopped watching boxing and the NBA.

  65. ryan82 says: Nov 17, 2008 8:56 AM

    NFL fans are completely naïve if they think that Vegas cannot influence the outcome of a game. I’m sure fans of the NBA, college football, and college basketball felt the same way before a point shaving or fixing scandal was revealed. In addition, anyone who underestimates organized crime’s influence on the NFL and their owners, doesn’t not have a full grasp for the history of this league. I’m just asking that fans of the NFL look at things a bit more realistically.
    I am a believer that a fixed game is a rarity. I am not someone who thinks that “all games” are fixed, or that there is some conspiracy theory in play regarding which teams the league wants in the playoffs, etc. Fixing any game would be very difficult to pull off – there is a ton of risk to take, information moves so fast now a days with the internet, the points spreads are monitored closely, and frankly the bookies make their money by the games being played squarely with action being bet on both sides. Crooked games would kill the golden goose and drive betters away.
    But with that being said, I think there can be an isolated instance where a fix comes into play, but it all starts with the money…
    The most important factor in this Steelers-Chargers game is the fact that the point spread opened at Pittsburgh -3.5 and was up to as much as -6 by the game time. That means much more money was bet on the Steelers than the Chargers, and bookies moved the lines accordingly to get some SD action. It is rare for an NFL game to have the spread move so much in a given week. NFL lines are usually razor sharp, and casinos and bookies hate to have uneven action on a game. So the first step is motive, and I think it was here in this case. Given the tough economic times in Vegas, who’s to say that maybe there was just too much exposure for the books to handle with the Steelers covering the spread yesterday.
    Then even the casual observer can look at the game and see that things didn’t pass the sniff test. 13 penalties to 2 (although the 2nd one benefitted the Chargers betters), a bad pass interference call that set up SD’s touchdown, Pittsburgh outplays them in every phase of the game, yet can’t seem to pull away, and then the final play…what a joke. Remember we are in the last 2 minutes, so the challenge must come from the booth. Why the hell would they even want to look at this play? The game is over regardless with Pittsburgh winning…the only matter is by how much. Remember the ruling on the field was a touchdown, so there needed to be conclusive evidence to overturn the call. Did anyone see anything conclusive? I saw 2 laterals that looked pretty conclusive to be backwards…that’s it. Then even when the call was overturned the ref botched the explanation on the call to the stadium, saying something to the fact that there was an illegal forward pass, but the touchdown was still good, then he corrected himself and said game over. It all seemed a bit too much, and the NFL owes their fans a clear explanation of what happened. Layer on to that NFL Network’s own highlights show just glossing over it with one line that touchdown was overturned.
    My point is simply, that we shouldn’t be so quick to dismiss this as just a blown call. There was enough money on the line to motivate illicit behavior. The NFL is the sport it is today because of betting. Without it, the NFL would not be nearly as popular as it is today. It’s not unreasonable to think they couldn’t do a favor for their friends in the desert.

  66. Bob S. says: Nov 17, 2008 9:03 AM

    “I’m not going along with the ‘Fix’ talk”
    the right word is “manipulate” and to affect or alter the outcome of the final score or who wins the game. it can be done simply by changing the momentum during the game by penalties as a team seizes momentum thereby taking that momentum away from them by wiping out a big play and pushing them back. but when despite doing those things the refs had not got their goal accomplished like late in that denver/charger game or yesterday, the refs who must have full league backing to do so, can still pull a hochuli or that take away of steelers td yesterday to have the game end the way the nfl wants it too.
    and let any player or coach utter a word about their calls and the player will be fined and probably be blackballed from the league in the future.
    nfl – national fascist league as well as national fixed(manipulated) league

  67. TheDPR says: Nov 17, 2008 9:03 AM

    Seeing that the game was “fixed” doesn’t mean a huge conspiracy. It could have been something as simple as just one of the officiating crew (or his wife or his brother or. . .) having a bunch of money on the Chargers (or his fantasy opponent had Polamalu on his team). That’s all it would have taken. If it was one of the guys on the field, he’d just have to convince the head ref to change the call. If it was the head ref or the guy in the replay booth, then even easier, just change the call.
    I think the argument that there are too many eyes on the situation for cheating to ever occur is naive. I don’t think the league is orchestrated under one big conspiracy, but I do believe individual players and officials have outside interests in what goes on (via both gambling and fantasy football) and that they skew the outcomes of individual plays and games to help themselves.

  68. teddybayer says: Nov 17, 2008 9:11 AM

    1) there was no forward pass, 2) the refs blew the call by reversing the correct
    call, 3) thereby not covering the spread, upsetting anyone who took the
    Steelers (can’t you just hear the groans at Caesar’s Sports Book?) and
    4,5, &6) WHAT’S THE DEAL WITH DRAINAGE IN HEINZ WARD FIELD???
    I get that the “rain game” last year was an anomaly, a once-in-a-lifetime
    event but this field is an abomination! Prescription Athletic Turf, the drainage
    system used on any new field was obviously not used here. Hey! Commissioner
    Gordon: before you approve any Rooney deal, make them correct this field!

  69. Delta Rider says: Nov 17, 2008 9:15 AM

    Did you see that game – I thought it was fixed!!! That last play was freaking ridiculous… They had like 4 minutes of hanging out with the game clock at zero before they took that touchdown away. As a Bills fan, i’m just trying to find out how to fix tonights Monday night game to end the losing streak. But, honestly – i’d be shocked if the majority of people who watched that game, and follow sports doesn’t wonder if hankey pankey was going on.

  70. ParkerFly says: Nov 17, 2008 9:17 AM

    It was an illegal forward pass. Watch where the guy is standing when he throws the first lateral, and watch where the guy who catches it is standing. It went forward. It doesn’t matter if momentum carried it forward, it can’t go past the point it was thrown from. It may have only gone forward by a foot or two, but it did.

  71. CD_Ridge says: Nov 17, 2008 9:21 AM

    This game was not “fixed” by the refs. The refs may have some sort of bias on a sub conscience level (who knows). I think that this particular crew is bad. There were a few questionable calls against the Steelers and more than a few non-calls for the Chargers benefit. The ref’s are just idiots, not smart enough or dumb enough to “fix” a game.
    As a Steelers fan, I want my team to play better in order to make the officiating a non-factor.

  72. Bob S. says: Nov 17, 2008 9:27 AM

    monger
    “Don’t be one of those idiots who think the bookies lost or gained money on that last play. The bookies make their money with the juice. The sole and entire purpose of the betting line and odds is to make sure that the same amount of money is risked on both teams. The bookies win no matter who wins the game or by how much.”

    you are wrong! the object may well be to set the line at a point where half bet on either side but in reality if they receive much more action on one team they can adjust the line up or down slightly but still most of the action may come in on one team late and they may not refuse the bets and may not be able to lay off the bets with some other casino who may not want to accept any action to unbalance their books.
    thats why every once in a while you hear after a certain super bowl or other event say the books LOST x millions of dollars on the game. OR the other way around.
    yes even a blackjack player can sit at a table and beat the casino one night. but in the long wrong the casino will be the winner.
    same goes for the sportsbooks they can lose on any game – but they dont like it and it seems they have a new way to handle that situation and have been doing so all year long so far.

  73. mrmagoo says: Nov 17, 2008 9:35 AM

    monger says:
    November 17th, 2008 at 8:53 am
    The outright ignorance and stupidity displayed by people in this country is staggering. It’s amazing the country manages to function at all. From now on this game should be called The Smokescreen Game.
    This game was fixed from beginning to end, and it was fixed for the sole purpose of defusing future claims of fixing in favor of the Steelers.
    In case anyone missed it the Steelers won the game. You thought their win over the Seahawks was blatantly handed to them, well you ain’t seen nuthin yet. The Rooney’s mob connections are going to go out with a bang and that means another Lombardi, and they’re doing anything and everything to get it.
    Don’t be one of those idiots who think the bookies lost or gained money on that last play. The bookies make their money with the juice. The sole and entire purpose of the betting line and odds is to make sure that the same amount of money is risked on both teams. The bookies win no matter who wins the game or by how much.
    The game sure as hell was fixed, but it had nothing to do with the money bet on it.
    _____________________________________________
    Are you really kidding or do you have tinfoil wall paper in your house?

  74. johnnyhose says: Nov 17, 2008 9:36 AM

    This game was so fixed between the flags, the parker td that was called for holding, mind you on every 3 yard toss sweep that goes for a touchdown that could be called for flag because the lead bloker holds every time, and because that last play was called a td, reveiwed a td, and then a 4 minute window that it wasn’t. IS ALL BECAUSE THE NFL WAS MORE WORRIED ABOUT MAKING HISTORY WITH THERE FIRST 11-10 EVER THEN GETTING THE CALL RIGHT. SO SREW THE NFL, MIKE P., PHIL L. (COIN TOSS VS THE STEELERS THANKSGIVING) ED H. AND MOST OF ALL THAT EMPTY SUIT THAT RUNS THIS LEAGUE THAT HAS NO CLUE ROGER G.

  75. wingnut says: Nov 17, 2008 9:47 AM

    Raiders,Patriots 2001 playoff game was fixed.

  76. thgordon says: Nov 17, 2008 10:04 AM

    Some great responses here.
    “Steelers fans bitching about a game being fixed? That’s effin priceless.
    Signed,
    Every Seahawks fan”
    Sore losers never die, apparently. They don’t even fade away. I watched replays of the close calls in the Super Bowl. The only one which was wrong was the penalty on Hasselback after the interception. Both offenses played like crap, but overall, the Steelers were less crappy than the Seahawks. The Seahawks deserved to lose. Period.
    Look: I’m a Steelers fan, and I’m glad the Steelers won against the Chargers. Period.
    How the game was officiated is of at most secondary interest to me.
    And I would like to believe there wasn’t anything crooked about the game. But consider:
    The penalty yards ratio was 13-1 (115 Steelers-5 Chargers). I’m trying to find out what the record is, but that has to be up there.
    Also, on the last play of the game, the officials wrongly take away a touchdown on a call which wasn’t anywhere near right. And this is enough for the Chargers to cover.
    Put those two things together, and it’s hard not to wonder. Just the wrong call would be, at worst, a little odd. The wrong call plus a record or near record yardage disparity, and it may be time to take a look at bank accounts.

  77. mborz says: Nov 17, 2008 10:16 AM

    [monger said: The outright ignorance and stupidity displayed by people in this country is staggering. It’s amazing the country manages to function at all.]
    Every time someone opens up their posting with a sentence like this, I expect to read something knowledgeable. But more often than not, the poster ends up unknowingly displaying their own ignorance in ways that shine far beyond everyone else, even though they are completely oblivious to it.

  78. thgordon says: Nov 17, 2008 10:17 AM

    “Where the hell did he say it was Steelers fans doing the complaining about the game being fixed Mac? There are millions of bettors out there that are more than furious at the outcome of this game.”
    Thank you.
    I just watched a replay of the last play. Neither lateral was anywhere near being a forward lateral. Both, in fact, were 45 degrees backward (if 90 is straight back).
    I didn’t bet on this game, don’t bet period, and don’t really care about how the game was called. I was just agreeing that it at least looks really dubious.
    13-1 penalty yardage disparity. Blown call that makes the difference on the spread that’s nowhere near being right. Touchdown called back both of the last two times the Steelers touched the ball, one way wrong, the other dubious. An interference call against the Steelers that gave the Chargers the ball on the one which looked pretty phantom to me.
    I don’t know what happenened and I don’t care too much. I do know it looked bad.

  79. thgordon says: Nov 17, 2008 10:19 AM

    Did I say 13-1? It was 23-1. (115-5). Sorry.

  80. ParkerFly says: Nov 17, 2008 10:29 AM

    Wingnut: Amen to that. That not being a fumble was a joke. And shame on the competition committee and anyone else involved for not making it clear that it should be a fumble.

  81. Frank Burns says: Nov 17, 2008 10:39 AM

    Fixed, whatever, all we do know is that this was the WORST officiating hatchet job I’ve seen in years. James Harrison was prison-raped all game, not one call. Meanwhile Ward sneezes on a guy, flag thrown. The NFL should be issuing another apology like the one it did admitting they blew the Jacksonville playoff game. 12 or 13 calls to TWO? You’ve gotta be kidding.
    And for you other teams’ fans who don’t get why we’re complaining, get the hell off this thread.

  82. praveen says: Nov 17, 2008 10:43 AM

    1) Seattle fans, stop whining. Steelers ended up winning SB XL by 10 points, not 3 or 7 and you still had time to overcome the ticky tacky calls. And with the exception of the bad 15 yarder call on Matt Hasselback(which had no real affect on the game), all the other penalties were legit but extremely ticky tacky variety. Even the Ben TD which was very borderline wasn’t clear enough either way(it doesnt have to cross the plane, it merely has to touch the plane of the inside part of the line, Seattle just got unlucky the original call ruled it a TD, but it was not clear cut to reverse) was on a 3rd down. And with that SB OL(much better than the current Steelers OL), Ben most probably sneaks it in with an inch to go on 4th down. And Steelers actually had worse calls in the INdy playoff game of the same year(no pass interference called on a blatant one on the Indy guy defending Randle El before the half and the infamous overturn of a Troy P INT).
    2) The final call. I share the outrage as someone who bets(glad I didnt for this game). What I didn’t understand is that even if they messed up their interpretation of the review, shouldn’t there be a no doubt situation to overturn? If there is confusion, why overturn? Or take another minute to make sure. Not that it matters because it is a TD anyway, but is a lateral based on where the first player’s body is or where his hand is? LT moves his arm back and releases the ball but the ball seems to be lateral to his body but move forward related to where his hand released the ball. I am not sure.
    3) Not only did the Steelers suffer from a few crucial ticky tacky calls ala Seattle in the SB, but they suffered from some blatant flat out bad calls. The worst being the pass interference called on Ike leading to the SD only TD of the game. In a low scoring game, that was huge. Not only did there seem to be a mutual contact situation if one puts it generously in favor of SD, but the ball was not catchable even remotely. What makes it worse was the SD WR was actually running to the inside when the ball was sailing outside. Also the holding on James Harrison on a few occasions was much much more blatant than the ones they called on the reversed TD run by Willie Parker. (that was two TDs taken away by refs in the last minute).
    4)Tomlin erred by not challenging that spot prior to the stupid call for the 4th and goal. Nate seemed to be an inch away from the goalline assuming he didn’t score in the first place. They probably sneak that in if it was just an inch(actually I thought they should have ran the same play regardless, use Dixon in practice on those goalline packages if you do not trust Ben’s shoulder). Oh, and Arians. You are such a dummy because even Bettis wouldn’t score on that stuffed goalline run because SD smelled out that play so easily they had most of their defense on that side of the play. No one should blame Mewelde for that.

  83. renard says: Nov 17, 2008 10:54 AM

    referees need to start getting fined for obviously bad calls.

  84. CycloneSteel says: Nov 17, 2008 11:16 AM

    Steeler fans bitching? I think it’s more about the gamblers that got screwed that are pissed!? Why would a fan bitch when they won? Because if their team wasn’t clearly better than the opponent and was able to overcome 13 penalties (!) to do so, there would have been an even larger mountain to climb for them in the midst of playing the toughest schedule in the NFL in 25 seasons. (Per Al Michaels).
    Seattle still has a professional sports team?

  85. oldchuck says: Nov 17, 2008 11:36 AM

    Well, now. How about the OBVIOUS helmet to helmet hit delivered by a Steeler on a SD running back which didn’t even merit a flag??!!!! The Pittsburgh Steelers, and their fans, should be the LAST ones crying about bad calls. As one poster wrote, “Yeah, right” and he signed it “Every Seahawk Fan”. Anyone who watched that Super Bowl should be able to remember a HOST of bad calls — all of them in favor of Pittsburgh. Please, my nerves!

  86. thgordon says: Nov 17, 2008 12:23 PM

    The Seahawks fans who are using this game to exercise the chip on their shoulders crack me up.
    First, see praveen above (though the Steelers won by 11, not 10). The penalty disparity was 7-70 to 3-20. Did the Seahawks get the worst of the calls? Absolutely. But was this well within the ups and downs you might expect? Yes. Also: the big controversies:
    1. The pass interference was 100% right and beyond question.
    2. The touchdown was impossible to determine. I think 6/10 would say it was right. Maybe it’s only 5 or 4.
    3. The holding call was iffy, but most holding calls are iffy.
    4. The Steelers were the less crappy team that day and deserved to lose less than the Seahawks. (Both teams were crappy, to be fair.)
    Maybe now we can talk about what’s interesting. Here are the facts.
    1. “An estimated 100 million dollars was wagered worldwide on the Pittsburgh/San Diego game, according to RJ Bell of Pregame.com. Approximately 66% of that money was on the Steelers; with only 34% on the Chargers.
    ”If the touchdown was properly upheld, Steelers bettors would have won about 32 million dollars instead of losing big. This admittedly incorrect call resulted in a 64 million dollar swing in favor of the bookies.” said RJ Bell of Pregame.com.
    2. 23-1 penalty yardage disparity in the game (115 Steelers – 5 Chargers) Must be the record, or close to it. (Seahawks fans: not 7-2; 23-1)
    4. Both of the last two times Steelers touch the ball has officials calling back a Steelers touchdown. Once clearly wrongly (see above), once dubious at best.
    5. Chargers get a touchdown via a pass interference penalty that looks wrong.
    I don’t have to have an opinion. Just pointing out facts. Draw your own conclusions.

  87. Ray Guy says: Nov 17, 2008 12:53 PM

    What a joke. Arguing that your team gets called for more penalties than the opposition?
    Try watching a Raiders game on any given Sunday and maybe you’ll understand what it feels like week in and week out. Phantom calls? We are always playing 11 vs 16 every week, and we couldn’t win with 11 vs 6 anyway.

  88. bksacks says: Nov 17, 2008 1:39 PM

    I love guys like Florio. You stand on your head to say you don’t believe there was a conspiracy, and yet provide no evidence whatsoever. The only evidence you do present argues in favor of it.
    How do you KNOW there was no foul play? Apparently you just “know this”. Really, what you know is nothing. All you try to do is to place the burden of proof on those who have every reason to believe from the evidence of their eyes that something fishy happened.

  89. thgordon says: Nov 17, 2008 1:40 PM

    Guy: give me a Raiders game where the penalty yardage was 23-1. Give me one that was even 10-1.
    Give me a Raiders game in which a call the NFL admitted was wrong made the difference on the betting line.
    If you can do either, I’ll listen. If you can do both, I’d say it looks very fishy. If you can do both in the same game, it rises to the level of this one.
    I don’t bet. I would rather think everything in the NFL is clean, because to think otherwise takes away some enjoyment I get from watching the NFL. I was just pointing out some striking things.

  90. Bob S. says: Nov 17, 2008 4:46 PM

    Author: ParkerFly
    It was an illegal forward pass. Watch where the guy is standing when he throws the first lateral, and watch where the guy who catches it is standing. It went forward. It doesn’t matter if momentum carried it forward, it can’t go past the point it was thrown from. It may have only gone forward by a foot or two, but it did.
    — tomlinson lateralled it with his back hand backwards as he was running forward to the other charger who was standing behind where tomlinson was as he released the ball to him.
    it was a perfectly legal lateral pass as was the 2nd lateral on the same play.

  91. steeltown pride says: Nov 17, 2008 4:51 PM

    Was it just me or did anyone else notice the Steelers won ? As a friend told me once . YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME .
    THERE WAS BAD CALL AND NO CALLS . I CANT COMPLAIN ABOUT IT THAT MUCH . IT HAPPENS . IF THE OUTCOME HAD BEEN LIKE THE BRONCO’S GAME AND WE LOST THEN I WOULD CARE . TROYS HELMET TO HELMET WASNT FLAGGED BUT HE WILL GET ONE OF THOSE DONATE MONEY TO CHARITY LETTERS IN HIS LOCKER SOON . SEAHAWK FANS YOU SHOULD JOIN UP WITH THE RAIDERS WHEN THEY HAVE THEIR YEARLY THE BALL HIT THE GROUND CONVENTION .

  92. dullard says: Nov 20, 2008 12:46 PM

    I can’t believe the number of people who say it doesn’t matter as long as the winner of the game doesn’t change. Point shaving is fine as long as the winner doesn’t change? And p.s. if you believe that the integrity of the game is compromised it makes *more* sense to believe that the referees tried to influence the outcome of the game to be within a point or two using the 13 other penalties.
    And the would have gotten away with it too… if it wasn’t for the medling kid Troy and his crazy hair.

  93. matt2222 says: Nov 21, 2008 3:41 AM

    The Gordan and ryan82 make some key and crucial points.
    But i myself seen some this game.And without a doubt. It was rigged by the refs. And or league. Im not a steeler or seahawk fan. BUt that supbowl was also. Phantom calls= corruption.
    The league obvious has a agenda to build certain teams.And make money in vegas. Ive been telling peopel for years that something very bad has been going on.Not just in this game.
    Online poker is rigged,the nba has been rigged.College basketball,football tennis soccer. Anyone is foolish to think nfl is immune. Plus NFL babying and pamper the patriots.Destroy evidence of cheating. Shows that the league has a agenda. And it is money first.
    Im not in anyway saying every game rigged. OR player.That would be immpossible.Do large amount people have to keep quiet.
    But there is no doubt some refs players coaches do gamble.And have for years.
    . DOes it matter. Well it should .But they can do anythign they want.Till the get caught by media. They are pampered treated as kings. MAny have yet become a man.Money is root all evil. People just arent being honest. ALl the players being shot mysteriously. Over and over. These are people involved in organized crime. And the league had to give the order in that game.
    And dont forget the giants of last year was given so many penalites in almost every scoring spot. To get to superbowl. This after eli manning had one worst rating in history or somethign real bad.I cnat reember exaclty. But he sucked horribly. Then hes flagged down the field all playoffs. Reason being Less bets where on them.U p to superbowl. Something was way off. Eli manning is a horrible Qb. Last few years horrid qbs have been pampered and helped into superbowls. Gamblers love that. Strange it used be the greatest and best. Eli manning is far from the best. Trent dilfer, it goes on and on.
    Someone needs to post a video of this game for everyone

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