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LIGHT, CROWDER FINED

Patriots offensive tackle Matt Light and Dolphins linebacker Channing Crowder won’t be suspended for their fight during Sunday’s game in Miami.
But they will be fined, $15,000 each.
Per Adam Schefter of NFL Network, the league opted to impose fines and not suspensions for the incident, which resulted in both players being ejected.

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  1. hayward giablommi says: Nov 26, 2008 10:38 AM

    over/under on anti-Patriots comments and Goodell in in Kraft’s back pocket comments on this story- 115
    let’s see,I’m taking the over

  2. BleedBrown says: Nov 26, 2008 10:42 AM

    Just so I am clear the NFL’s position on player safety…
    It’s okay to pull a guy by his hair (helmet absent) and pound on the back of his head but it’s not ok to tackle a quarterback with your shoulder immediately after he throws a pass.
    Got it.
    The NFL is rapidly becoming a sad, pathetic joke.

  3. jbruder02 says: Nov 26, 2008 10:44 AM

    Lets see a $15k fine for beating someone over the head for Matt Light and a $15k fine for Hines Ward touching someone on the helmet after he caught a ball.
    that seems about right.
    Good thing that wasn’t another team’s player beating the hell out of an opponent because a suspension would have happened 100% of the time.

  4. MmmHmmm says: Nov 26, 2008 10:45 AM

    Hayward, I’ll help you out. Mangina Goodell is in Kraft’s back pocket.
    Matt Light is a bitch.
    Crowder didn’t do anything wrong.
    It sure was fun to watch though. Now that’s entertainment!

  5. stiller43 says: Nov 26, 2008 10:45 AM

    Am I the only one that things Crowder didn’t do anything besides get his brains bashed in? Why is he fined the same as Light is?

  6. Mbehavin2 says: Nov 26, 2008 10:47 AM

    More inconsistency from the NFL offices on fines. They must be using a dart board.

  7. shuxion says: Nov 26, 2008 10:48 AM

    This site is filled with retards who call the patriots evil after all.

  8. FinFanatic80 says: Nov 26, 2008 10:49 AM

    What a crock of SH*T! Why does the NFL never discipline anyone on the Patriots? Light was pulling Crowder’s hair like a little girl and punching with a closed fist, how does that not result in a suspension? The dirty-est team in the NFL continues to play dirty and still Goodell’s too chicken to suspend any of them. Wilfork commits cheap shot after cheap shot and gets nothing but a fine. Belicheck video tapes games and only gets fined.
    Hey Roger, why dont you do the league a favor and start suspending people from this low class organization?!?!

  9. NYBearsFan says: Nov 26, 2008 10:50 AM

    I don’t think Crowder should have been fined. You see shoving after a play all the time in the NFL, but Light’s fine is justified. (Cliche Alert) It’s an emotional game and when you get caught up in that and you feel someone did something dirty to you, you are bound to react in an uncool manner. It happened to me plenty of times when I was playing. What Light did was absolutely uncalled for, but it does happen sometimes and he should have been fined.
    And Hayward I’m gonna take a push on that one. I think you nailed it at 115.

  10. dutch_jetsfan says: Nov 26, 2008 10:50 AM

    @ hayward
    I’ll take a 50 on the over

  11. Ntrikit says: Nov 26, 2008 10:51 AM

    I think they should take back the fines and make Jared Allen & Adrian Peterson pay them.
    Pack of cheaters and cheap shot artists, they are!
    FIRE BRAD CHILDRESS!

  12. Orenthal James says: Nov 26, 2008 10:53 AM

    So, ripping a player’s helmet off, pulling his dreadlocks and clubbing him in the back of the head three times equates to the EXACT SAME FINE as pushing a player in the facemask and running away from the fight with a smile on your face????????????????????????
    That’s a great message to send, maybe next time Crowder will actually fight back.

  13. Orenthal James says: Nov 26, 2008 10:54 AM

    Shuxion, way to bring facts to the arguement. Your intelligence is impressive.

  14. FinFanatic80 says: Nov 26, 2008 10:56 AM

    I’m with you BleedBrown … Goodell is single handly turning this league into a joke. Why dont you assess penaltys equally you moron.

  15. buckeye044 says: Nov 26, 2008 10:59 AM

    Fine of only $15k………shocking. Patriots get away with another one.

  16. vikefanatic says: Nov 26, 2008 11:00 AM

    I’m not sure there should have been a suspension, but I certainly think Light should have had a heftier fine than Crowder (ie: Light 15-20k, Crowder 5k).
    As for the over/under, I’m taking the under its a big travel day people are busy getting ready for the holiday.

  17. BleedBrown says: Nov 26, 2008 11:01 AM

    i’ll take the over on the number of Patriots fans who complain that everyone thinks they’re the dirtiest team in NFL history.
    At least Goodell could TRY to make it a little less obvious but that would require some degree of intellect and tact.

  18. happybunny says: Nov 26, 2008 11:02 AM

    So what about Santana Moss, who threw a punch at a DB and didn’t get ejected?

  19. tgojs13 says: Nov 26, 2008 11:05 AM

    Im not sure why they want to kick black players out of football for fights in the club but, a fight during a football is completely ok. I’m still not sure why in the hell Crowder got kicked out of the game or fined? The pats get away with everything.

  20. mlb19 says: Nov 26, 2008 11:05 AM

    Unbelievable……The NFL is in a huge downhill slide. Hopefully players will remember to not head butt the opponents fist next time. Sad Sad day for football. 😦

  21. loucifa says: Nov 26, 2008 11:08 AM

    No different than earlier in the year with Andrew Whitworth and John Henderson fight…
    moving on…

  22. shaunypoo says: Nov 26, 2008 11:11 AM

    The Pats are the best run organization in the NFL and THE model franchise!
    Yes, they did it the new American way. Explains the downhill slide of our society.

  23. Tecumseh says: Nov 26, 2008 11:14 AM

    15k for the guy who started it, 15k for the guy who finished it.
    Seems fair to me.

  24. patsfan1776 says: Nov 26, 2008 11:16 AM

    Question for the “he shouldn’t be pulling hair” crowd. You must be the guys that showed up to backyard football games wearing hoodies and then whine the whole game that guys are tackling you by the hoodie? Cut the hair and don’t wear a hoodie and it will be a lot more difficult for someone to catch you when you are running away from a fight.
    POLL Question – Girliest activity – check one
    [ ] Grabbing hair in a fight
    [X] Running away

  25. tgojs13 says: Nov 26, 2008 11:17 AM

    tecumseh… can you tell me where crowder started the fight? before or after he got his helmet ripped off?

  26. miketomlin says: Nov 26, 2008 11:17 AM

    What a Joke. A clean hit (Hines Ward) gets the same punishment as punching someone in the face with a closed fist. So essentially a player is better off ripping off Payton Manning’s helmet, pulling his hair and punching him with a closed fist rather than running into him two seconds after a play is over?
    Make Sense?

  27. BleedBrown says: Nov 26, 2008 11:19 AM

    Tecumseh-
    Light was holding Crowder even after the play ended which is what caused Crowder to retaliate…and of course pulling hair and punching is the next logical step.
    Crowder should be fined but not to the same degree that Light should be. Light should be suspended as this is NO different than stepping on someone’s throat. Light is a meathead on a “protected” team and knows he can get away with it.

  28. bengalfan says: Nov 26, 2008 11:20 AM

    Considering we are at 24 total comments, I’m going to take the under – along with all your money!
    BUT, this is absolutely shocking. I watched the game in Boston and even the Pats fans I was with were surprised that Crowder got ejected along with Light. The dude didn’t do anything, Light ripped off his helmet, pulled his head down by the hair and suckerpunched him in the back of the head multiple times. Crowder responded by walking away.
    The Pats get away with everything, it’s absolutely disgusting.

  29. BleedBrown says: Nov 26, 2008 11:22 AM

    Patsfan-
    Ever seen girls fight?
    They pull hair and smack each other.
    Look man, the Pats are a joke and everyone outside of new England knows it. They get things handed to them year in and year out. Championships, reduced fines, video taping scandals, etc. My team my never win a championship (well we have won championships) aka a Super Bowl but at least we didn’t have it given to us.

  30. svnrdr says: Nov 26, 2008 11:24 AM

    Matt Light should have been fined an additional 10K because his punches looked like a right-handed chick throwing a baseball with her left hand standing on a wobble-board.

  31. JAXSUN says: Nov 26, 2008 11:28 AM

    Pulling someone’s hair and punching them costs you 15k.
    Speaking out against the league? Way worse?
    What a load.

  32. Brad says: Nov 26, 2008 11:30 AM

    FinFanatic80 says:
    November 26th, 2008 at 10:49 am
    What a crock of SH*T! Why does the NFL never discipline anyone on the Patriots? Light was pulling Crowder’s hair like a little girl and punching with a closed fist, how does that not result in a suspension? The dirty-est team in the NFL continues to play dirty and still Goodell’s too chicken to suspend any of them. Wilfork commits cheap shot after cheap shot and gets nothing but a fine. Belicheck video tapes games and only gets fined.
    yeah, all he got was a fine. f’ing idiot

  33. finsbooyah says: Nov 26, 2008 11:30 AM

    Wow Goodell is a straight up coward. I said it before and I’ll say it again, Crowder didn’t do anything more than shove Light, something you see after virtually every play. Light’s response was classless and malicious as he pulled off Crowder’s helmet, grabbed his hair and repeatedly punched him with a closed fist. Crowder, serving the best interests of his team by not allowing his emotions to control him in what was still a close game, did not retaliate. But they get the same fine? Light should be suspended for at least one game. This isn’t just a Dolphin fan complaining. I’m looking at this as a fan of the NFL, and this incident puts a dent in their credibility. This double standard is sickening. I wonder if Hines Ward is ok with all of this?

  34. Rob0769 says: Nov 26, 2008 11:31 AM

    LOL! People are crying that Light isn’t suspended when Jared Allen tried to take out the QB’s knees twice in one game and didn’t get suspended. Why would Light or Crowder get suspended if Allen hasn’t after getting fined week after week for cheap shots?

  35. mborz says: Nov 26, 2008 11:33 AM

    [shuxion said: This site is filled with retards who call the patriots evil after all.]
    What makes your comment so much better than the retarded ones? Look, if you think the fine was fair, you should feel free to explain why. After all, there have been tons of fines handed out this year to try to correlate against to make your case.
    I’ll agree with you that there are tons of retarded comments posted on this site, but in my eyes, comments like the one you just made fit squarely in the category of what you’re denouncing.

  36. TCLARK says: Nov 26, 2008 11:33 AM

    I believe the “DIRTIEST FRANCHISE” of all time as to be John Maddens Oakland Raiders. You youngsters won’t remember so don’t comment. They wore body armor and steel plates. Not to protect but to punish. The would wrap them up with tape and gause. They didn’t hide it or deniy it. Watch “Americas Game” on the NFL network. I’ve seen them all. They are very well put together. The Raiders (including a rookie Matt Millin) bosted about it. They went out to intemidate and injure other players. I was a bit stunned watching this last season while all the spy gate stuff was going around, I kept thinking to myself “Why doesn’t Madden one night ,during a game, tell some of the storys from back when he coached?” Cheating was a big part of the game back then. In fact. The year before the Raiders won the Super Bowl, Oakland had to travel to Pittsburg to play in the AFC title game. Pittsburg flooded the field the night before with an inch of water that froze (It was coooold like 10-15 degrees) to slow down the high flying fast paced Oakland team. You talk about cheap. Anyway I’m not trying to get the whole Spygate thing started up again. It was wrong, punishment was served. I think last year and this year have proved to me as a fan, the tapes didn’t have anything to do with Bills acoplishments. They will alwys be there to embarass him. But his sucess has more to do with his 30 plus years in Pro Football. Happy Thanksgiving.

  37. BleedBrown says: Nov 26, 2008 11:36 AM

    Robo-
    are you condoning Light’s actions? No one condones Jared Allen’s actions. Fact is, that was as dirty as dirty gets.
    Crowder needs to appeal

  38. dashoe says: Nov 26, 2008 11:36 AM

    BleedBrown says:
    November 26th, 2008 at 10:42 am
    Just so I am clear the NFL’s position on player safety…
    It’s okay to pull a guy by his hair (helmet absent) and pound on the back of his head but it’s not ok to tackle a quarterback with your shoulder immediately after he throws a pass.
    Got it.
    The NFL is rapidly becoming a sad, pathetic joke.
    ____________________________________________________________________
    100% agree. Goodell has really set the NFL back in his short tenure. Destroys evidence, coddles QB’s, brings back Pac-Man, fines players for miniscule remarks, and now doesn’t suspend a player for punching another player in the face 4 times. Not to mention hordeing games on the NFL Network.
    The NFL will be lucky to survive Goodell, in my opinion.

  39. promichael says: Nov 26, 2008 11:37 AM

    Well let’s see Crowder gets his locks pulled and his head
    pounded. Then he’s thrown out of the game. The next time the
    Dolphins play the Patriots the plan should be as follows:
    The Dolphins designate a player to perform Light’s actions.
    This player starts out by pulling the helmet off the head of
    receiver Randy Moss. He then pulls on what locks he can find
    on the Moss head. Then that Dolphin player starts punching
    Moss in the head. Moss and this designated Dolphin player are
    both thrown out of the game.

  40. finsbooyah says: Nov 26, 2008 11:37 AM

    Rob0769 says:
    November 26th, 2008 at 11:31 am
    LOL! People are crying that Light isn’t suspended when Jared Allen tried to take out the QB’s knees twice in one game and didn’t get suspended. Why would Light or Crowder get suspended if Allen hasn’t after getting fined week after week for cheap shots?
    I agree those were cheap shots by Allen. But in his defense they happened at full speed during the course of a play. This situation is completely different, I can’t understand how you could even try to compare the two. Light attacked Crowder AFTER the play with all the maturity that takes place in a bar fight. Classy move from a player on the New England Patriots, the best team of the decade and one of the top teams representing the NFL’s image

  41. texasPHINSfan says: Nov 26, 2008 11:38 AM

    while obviously both parties are at fault, the fact that the fines are the same is ridiculous. CLEARLY Light’s retaliation was way more out of line than Crowder’s shove. Crowder never threw a punch, after all.
    patsfan1776 – i fail to see why you and other patriots fans assume that crowder “lost the fight.” honestly, it wasn’t a fight. why? because crowder didn’t fight back. holy crap, it’s pretty obvious that crowder made every effort to get out of there. i doubt he did that b/c he’s a baby. i’m *pretty sure* he was trying to not get ejected or the personal foul. i still think crowder’s ejection was BS – he did a shove after the play (half of both teams were doing this after the play though), but he never threw a punch.
    The fact that both fines were the same is an uttery travesty of the system. I think it is pretty obvious there is some favoritism at play here.

  42. Draft King says: Nov 26, 2008 11:44 AM

    Seeing Matt Light grab Channing Crowder by his hair and hit him with multiple MMA-style punches to the back of the head was one of the more fascinating sports fight moments I’ve seen in recent years.

  43. EverybodyCheats says: Nov 26, 2008 11:45 AM

    Crowder pushed Light after the whistle so Light pushed him down to the ground inadvertently taking Crowder’s helmet off. Crowder took offense so he shoved Light. Light then grabbed some of Crowder’s pretty girlish locks and took a few shots.
    That is what actually happened. Both players definitely should have been ejected, Refs have to take control of the game, especially divisional games because of all the tension and bad blood. It has already been pointed out twice, once by a poster and once by Florio, that there was a fight a couple weeks ago and the same punishments happened. Ejections and 15000. I am a little surprised that Light didn’t get a little more, but Crowder didn’t drop it after the original two shoves, he felt the need to retaliate to the retaliation. Was Light wrong? Yes. Was Crowder wrong? Yes. Lets just move on.
    It’s a good thing you girls don’t watch hockey, I don’t think you have the balls for it.
    Urlacher would definitely call you all p—ies.

  44. kate773 says: Nov 26, 2008 11:46 AM

    lol. Again, so Crowder was standing there minding his own business, reading the bible or something, and Light just waltzed over “ripped” his helmet off, and started punching him. Got it. Anyone know the real reason for what happened? Turns out the Dolphins were talking **** the whole game, beyond the usual trash, to the point of getting really really personal. Even the refs were telling them to cut the crap. Matt Light finally had enough. Look at Light’s record, he has no history of anything like this. He’s going to all of a sudden snap for no reason and start punching this guy who is apparently the patron saint of innocence? Stop letting your hatred cloud your judgement. Goodell, I’m sure, talked to more than just Crowder and Light, don’t you think? Have you heard one Dolphin come out and defend Crowder on being the innocent soul you all have turned him into? No. Gee, wonder why.
    And FYI – hair is a part of the uniform. Ask Ricky Williams how many times his was pulled over the years.

  45. BuckFutter says: Nov 26, 2008 11:48 AM

    I am still amazed that so many people don’t understand that Crowder started the fine. He was knocked down because Light was bumped by Hochstein (which is also, most likely, what caused his helmet to come off, because Light was blocking him downward)….he jumped up and came at Light….look at the video, he landed FIVE FEET FROM LIGHT, and then ran at him….That’s why Crowder was fined. He initiated contact, he started the fight, and if he “just walked away” as so many have said he did, he should have done it before engaging Light, and maybe he wouldn’t have been fined (in fact, no one would have been because the incident would have been avoided altogether)….Crowder attacked Light because he took exception to momentum causing him to fall down. Light attacked Crowder because he took exception to Crowder attacking him. Get a grip.

  46. isawred77 says: Nov 26, 2008 11:48 AM

    The fact that both fines were the same is an uttery travesty of the system. I think it is pretty obvious there is some favoritism at play here.
    —-
    Or maybe during the investigation they talked to some of the refs and found out how much Crowder was talking and the types of things he was saying. He may not have thrown a punch, but he instigated the fight. Light has never been in trouble before and is a good guy, on & off the field. I’m certain he wouldn’t react like that if Crowder hadn’t crossed a line. I’m not excusing Light, the fine was warranted, but Crowder deserves his too.

  47. BleedBrown says: Nov 26, 2008 11:49 AM

    Notice how every Pats fan has the same move:
    Re-direct criticism to someone else.
    Deny accountability.
    Condone dirty play

  48. svnrdr says: Nov 26, 2008 11:49 AM

    They should settle this in an alley…
    …I’ll take Crowder on this one. Truth is most pat’s fans would too, but would never admit that.
    Crowder ran away……………….laughing. Light’s a wuss.

  49. FCSquid says: Nov 26, 2008 11:50 AM

    Crowder should have been punished much more harshly than Light. The audacity he showed by bruising Light’s knuckles with his face is worthly of a 4-game suspension at least.
    Were I the commish, I’d impose a suspension on Crowder, a $25,000 fine, force him to write a letter of apology to Light’s mother, and pay for a manicure to cover up Light’s knuckle-bruises. After all, we can’t have the flagship franchise of the NFL parade its linemen around with bruised knuckles, can we?

  50. Joe in Raleigh says: Nov 26, 2008 11:53 AM

    Maybe Crowder shouldn’t wear his hair like a girl. Then he wouldn’t have to worry about people holding onto it while he’s getting his head smashed in.

  51. BleedBrown says: Nov 26, 2008 11:54 AM

    Kate773-
    Are you kidding me with that comment?
    So the Dolphins hurt Matt Light’s feelings?!?!? HAHAHAHAHAHHA
    Matt Light has never done that before? Who cares? There are guys in prison for killing just ONE person, hell they had never done it before!
    I don’t think anyone is saying Crowder is free of any wrongdoing. What is being said is that the punishments should not be equal.
    and an FYI to your FYI – we all know hair is a part of the uniform, but punching a guy isn’t part of football.
    I just hope no one else hurts the Patriots feelings!!!

  52. mlb19 says: Nov 26, 2008 11:54 AM

    to Kate773…..yes the hair is a part of the uniform, but where in the rule book does it say you can grab part of the players uniform after the play and mash his head in? I must have missed that one.

  53. BleedBrown says: Nov 26, 2008 11:56 AM

    how about this
    New England Goodells!
    “Introducing your 2009 NEW ENGLAND GOODELLS!!!”

  54. BleedBrown says: Nov 26, 2008 11:57 AM

    Hey Pats fans-
    Your bada$$ lineman punches like a girl and PULLS HAIR!
    Signed-
    My Mom

  55. Rob0769 says: Nov 26, 2008 12:01 PM

    “Robo-
    are you condoning Light’s actions? No one condones Jared Allen’s actions. Fact is, that was as dirty as dirty gets.
    Crowder needs to appeal”
    Who said I condone his actions? I am saying it is less of an offense as a player going for a QB’s knees multiple times in the same game. Is what Light did as dirty as dirty gets? Not even close. I have seen far worse on the field. Light was wrong and deserved to be fined and he was. I didn’t think Crowder did as bad as Light, but he was definitely not an innocent in this. I would have supported a lesser fine.
    I think people are blowing this out of proportion because it is the Patriots. I see similiar fist fights like this at least a half a dozen times a year. They are wrong every time they happen, but it isn’t like Light went to take out Crowder’s knee. That is a suspendable offense.

  56. 7Steeler86 says: Nov 26, 2008 12:01 PM

    Roger Goodell is too inconsistent with the fines and suspensions.
    If the Patriots were playing the Lions or Raiders this week he might
    have suspended them and not just a fine. His inconsistent ways of
    punishing players this year and last often appear to have something
    to do with who is next on the schedule, who the player is or WHAT
    TEAM THEY PLAY FOR!!! THIS GUY SUCKS!!! HE NEEDS TO GO!!!

  57. Frank Burns says: Nov 26, 2008 12:08 PM

    Nice try, haywood, trying to head off the much-deserved Goodell-loves-Kraft comments you know will be coming. Way to show how guilty you feel about it, as you should.
    Light should be sitting home watching the next game on TV. Or sitting up in the owner’s box with Goodell and Bob, sipping gin and tonics.
    Goodell is in Kraft’s back pocket like a worn old forgotten scrap of paper. Must be nice to be business partners in that restaurant in the stadium, huh Roger and Bob? No conflict of interest there.

  58. shuxion says: Nov 26, 2008 12:09 PM

    @ Orenthal James:
    Why waste facts on people who don’t understand them?

  59. Hotshot2321 says: Nov 26, 2008 12:11 PM

    OK toughguy. Lets make fun of the 250lb guy with dreads and tatoos from head to toe. Light’s fat @ss would have been beat into the ground. Dudes gut hangs over his waist.

  60. pats307 says: Nov 26, 2008 12:11 PM

    from the report I heard, Crowder said something that crossed the verbal line most players honor and that was what started it.
    Still don’t think he deserved the same fine for the incident, but his playing to the crowd as he was leaving probably brought the increase.
    all that being said, many of the fines we see probably pale in comparison to the ones levied by the “uniform police” things like $5,000 for having your socks too low.

  61. Rob0769 says: Nov 26, 2008 12:11 PM

    “I agree those were cheap shots by Allen. But in his defense they happened at full speed during the course of a play. This situation is completely different, I can’t understand how you could even try to compare the two. Light attacked Crowder AFTER the play with all the maturity that takes place in a bar fight. Classy move from a player on the New England Patriots, the best team of the decade and one of the top teams representing the NFL’s image”
    I do agree that it is ridiculous to compare the two because what Allen did was far, far worse than what Light did. What Light did was wrong and he deserved to be fined and ejected from the game, but to say it is as bad to go for a player’s knees twice in one game is silly. If Allen did it once, you can say it was a mistake. Twice is a pattern.
    For a fan of a team who has Mr. Class himself, Joey Porter, shouldn’t talk about other teams. Porter’s classlessness gave the Pats an easy TD because of his dirty cheap shot to a Pats player drew a personal foul and then drew an unsportsmanlike conduct foul two plays later.

  62. BleedBrown says: Nov 26, 2008 12:15 PM

    Wait, so Crowder hurt the Patriots feelings?
    Amazing!

  63. texasPHINSfan says: Nov 26, 2008 12:17 PM

    EverybodyCheats – so you’re saying Crowder’s ejection was warranted for the two shoves he did? When is the last time you saw someone get ejected for shoving? you don’t. you see 15 yard personal fouls, but not ejections. I’ll maintain that Crowder’s ejection was unwarranted. Ejections are for punches thrown, eyes gouged out, faces stomped, serious personal injury. Crowder didn’t do any of that. He probably talked trash, he definitely did shove. again, if it’s after the play, that’s a penalty. not ejection.
    news flash for you patriot fans – talking trash happens EVERY game, and every player does it. To cite that as a reason for the fight is ludicrous – it happens every game. The key is to not lose your cool. Light has been the epitome of “not losing one’s cool” for his entire career. The fact he popped this time is unfortunate, but you can’t deny that he did. Why there is ANY defense to his actions and (instead) finger-pointing to Crowder is beyond explanation to me.
    What SHOULD have happened are offsetting personal fouls on BOTH players, an ejection for Light, and Crowder to stay. The fact that both were fined equally is just insane.
    kate – many dolphins have come out and defended crowder, you just aren’t reading about it b/c its in the South Florida press, not New England.
    Fining Crowder the same as Light tells the entire league that two shoves is equal to throwing punches & grabbing hair…. keep in mind Crowder’s only offense was two shoves after the whistle.

  64. sullenJetfan says: Nov 26, 2008 12:32 PM

    surprise, surprise…
    is there anyone else who thinks Baddell is taking the hits intentionally to keep people like, i don’t know, PFT and the AP from writing ad nauseum about “questionable” officiating? his new bag of inanity sure is working. and when i think of questionable officiating, i think of Channing Crowder getting ejected for received shivers to the back of the skull.

  65. pats307 says: Nov 26, 2008 12:40 PM

    according to peter king (and I haven’t watched the tape to confirm this)that play was the ONLY play of the game where Crowder lined up across from light.
    looks like he was looking to instigate and did.
    it did look like crowder either head butted or threw an uppercut at light before that whole mess.

  66. tgojs13 says: Nov 26, 2008 12:46 PM

    All of these pats fans keep saying “there was reports that Crowder crossed the line and hurt matt lights feelings” How about you actually find a quote rather than make shit up. I believe the reason you take shit is to get players out of their game. Im sure you wouldnt know that because you have always been in the stands rather than actually playing football.

  67. GZ says: Nov 26, 2008 12:48 PM

    $15,000 to Crowder?
    Goodell, or whoever decides on imposing these fines, is a retarded piece of shit. Pardon my French.

  68. finsbooyah says: Nov 26, 2008 12:52 PM

    Robo, let’s be serious. Yes Porter and Crowder are guilty of “cheap shots” during that series. However, they were all flagged, none were violent enough to cause intentional physical harm to an opposing player, and they were all actions that are commonplace in the NFL. If they were done during any other series, during any other game they would have had the same result and would have been a non-issue. The difference here is the fight that occured in the middle of these “cheap shots”. Trash talking and shoving after the play is not grounds for a professional football player to fly off the handle the way Light did. It’s a physically and emotionally draining game. But there is no place in it for punching. Crowder deserves his fine, maybe even Porter does too, but Light should not be on the feild this weekend, it sends the wrong message league-wide that behavior like that will go unpunished. A $15,000 fine will not deter anyone from throwing a fist the next time they feel disrespected, when they are a year in year out, high quality starter like Light.

  69. Zombie Patriot says: Nov 26, 2008 12:53 PM

    If Crowder didn’t instigate the incident would not have happened. Therefore… both players get fines.
    My opinion has nothing to do with my allegience. It is always good to see the instigator get punished who quite often is the person running away with their little ha, ha grin. You know the type, starts trouble then either runs away or hides behind his bigger friends.

  70. cheatypetey says: Nov 26, 2008 1:04 PM

    Watch the play again. Coming off the line, Crowder leads with the crown of his helmet directed under Lights faceguard. That’s where it started. Not when Crowder shoved him. That was just a continuation of the “fight”. And Crowder ran for no other reason than his extentions were about a half second from being ripped out. There’s nothing worse than a cornrow combover They both got what they deserved.

  71. hayward giablommi says: Nov 26, 2008 1:05 PM

    Thanks for proving my point, Frank Burns. Never let the facts get in the way of your one track agenda.

  72. JoeSixPack says: Nov 26, 2008 1:19 PM

    Good to see that the NFL recognizes that Crowder instigated this fight. Crowder’s a slime for saying what he did about Matt’s family members – Light would have kicked Crowder in the balls except he doesn’t have any.
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3728213
    “According to league sources…it was determined that Crowder verbally instigated the confrontation, but both men were assessed equal fines. When Light got up, he and Crowder pushed each other in the face. Light then grabbed Crowder’s dreadlocks in his left hand and hit him three times on the head with his right. Crowder broke free and ran away with a huge grin. Both received personal foul penalties and were ejected. As they walked off, Light smiled and Crowder raised his hands to elicit cheers from his hometown fans.”
    If Miami fans still think that’s something worth cheering for, I’d be happy to share tales of sexual experiences I’ve had with Crowder’s wife and mother.

  73. texasPHINSfan says: Nov 26, 2008 1:21 PM

    i wonder how long it will take for the patriot fans here to figure out that it is not against the rules to talk trash.
    stop deflecting Light’s actions by pointing fingers to Crowder.
    that’s like saying Hitler’s committing of the Holocaust was warranted b/c he was picked on by Jews in high school. its retarded b/c it is ridiculous. The actions by Light were not warranted due to Crowder’s words. The fact is no one here knows what was said. No one can unequivocally state that Crowder crossed the line, and who is to say there is a line? I played WR in college, and i can tell you that a lot of talking happens even at that level. Letting the talk get under your skin is the goal of the sh!t-talker… that is the point. Their objective is to get you to pop and commit a personal foul penalty.
    pats fans – patriots do this too. EVERY team has players that do this. it does not warrant, however, a physical retaliation. This is the part i can’t understand. how you insist that Crowder’s words were “just as bad” as Light’s punches & hair grabbing.
    i don’t think anyone here has absolved Crowder of all blame… but most of us are trying to highlight the difference in retaliation here, and it seems like you patriots fans just aren’t getting it.

  74. Ralphie says: Nov 26, 2008 1:24 PM

    BleedBrown, get you facts straight. The BROWNS are a joke. Nuf’ said.

  75. kate773 says: Nov 26, 2008 1:31 PM

    I don’t think anyone said Matt Light wasn’t at fault. I think the argument here is that Crowder was some innocent party in the matter.
    And tgojs13, I think joesixpack answered your question. We weren’t “making shit up”. Douchebag.

  76. texasPHINSfan says: Nov 26, 2008 1:34 PM

    JoeSixPack – the crowd was cheering crowder for his play that day, not for the altercation with Light. Obviously the entire stadium is not condoning the fight… they were, however, giving him a sendoff for putting in his work that day. This actually happens anytime a home player is ejected, the home team fans always give that player a cheer – not because of the ejection, but to celebrate their efforts.
    Also, i don’t think ANY patriots should be crying about the severity of words or trash talking, seeing as how some Patriot players have been known to be particularly good trash talkers.

  77. cracker jack says: Nov 26, 2008 1:34 PM

    I love people using the “The Patriots/Kraft have Goodell in their back pocket” line… I have never laughed so hard. Did you people even watch the NFL last season.

  78. hayward giablommi says: Nov 26, 2008 1:36 PM

    texasPHINSfan-
    uhhh…WOW. Maybe the worst analogy ever. A few punches to the head=genocide?

  79. JoeSixPack says: Nov 26, 2008 1:36 PM

    I can’t believe anyone actually thinks Crowder isn’t anything but a scumbag on this one.
    The NFL makes it a point to come out and say that Crowder instigated the fight, and then gives the same fine to the guy who was pummelled as they did to the pummeller.
    Crowder’s shit eating grin pretty much confirmed this even before the NFL confirmed it.

  80. Ralphie says: Nov 26, 2008 1:37 PM

    Mary J Chowder is a PoS.

  81. NYBearsFan says: Nov 26, 2008 1:40 PM

    Maybe Crowder said he had sex with Light’s wife, and Light got mad because his wife is in a coma.
    Are people actually defending Light because Crowder was talking shit about his family? Wow, what is this middle school? What Light did was way worse than talking shit and the way he fights is like watching numerous girl fight videos on youtube. Pull up any girl fight video and you will see they go right for the hair, pull down and start pounding on the back of their head.
    I’ve never seen a group of fans more blinded by their love for the team then Pats fans. They can do no wrong in many of your eyes. I think it’s time to be realistic and admit that Light should have been penalized, ejected and fined more than Crowder, and Crowder should have just been penalized.
    And all you Pats fan, YOUR MOM!!!! awwww shit what’s up now?
    I feel safe from the fighting ways of Pats fans because I don’t have hair to pull!!!

  82. Frank Burns says: Nov 26, 2008 1:48 PM

    Hey uh, heywood, what part of what I said wasn’t fact? That Goodell and Kraft DON’T have a little business partnership going? That what Light did was OK to escape suspension for, even though other players have been forced to sit out games for lesser offenses?
    Just like Wilfork got off the hook too.
    Just like Goodell burned all the Spygate stuff but fast.
    Light has a history of leg whipping to boot. Go ahead and try to deny that one too.

  83. kaos2288 says: Nov 26, 2008 1:53 PM

    Matt Light is soft and wouldn’t even look at Crowder in a bar. He is protected by Roger Kraft Goodell so he knows he can do pretty much w/e he wants and get away with it. Just like Nick Kaczur who had a oxy-contin drug ring going and got ZERO punishment from the league, meanwhile Joey Porter gets fined 20k for saying the refs made bad calls which Ed Hochuli wrote in his blog “I made calls that if I could go back I would change.”
    So lets summarize the NFL’s policy’s
    1) You can’t touch a QB unless its in a nice way
    2) You can’t talk about refs even if the refs admit to being bad
    3) You can pull off another players helmet and throw punches repeatedly and only get fined 15k which is about 10% of one game check so its not like the guy can’t eat this month or being the holiday season its not like the guy isn’t gonna buy his daughter a Porsche 911 Turbo for her first car.
    4) You can cheat the entire NFL for 4 years and get caught with evidence and the NFL commish decides to DESTROY the tapes and only fines the team 500k which to Robert Kraft is like whats left over in his pocket after he breaks a mill
    Conspiracy is the exact word that needs to be used for this team. The should be banned from the league for 1 year to show the league that this isn’t what the NFL is about.
    and for all you PATS fans: TOM BRADY tearing his ACL was karma … Keep it up and Belichek will end up in a ditch somewhere.

  84. Rob0769 says: Nov 26, 2008 1:55 PM

    “Robo, let’s be serious. Yes Porter and Crowder are guilty of “cheap shots” during that series. However, they were all flagged, none were violent enough to cause intentional physical harm to an opposing player, and they were all actions that are commonplace in the NFL. If they were done during any other series, during any other game they would have had the same result and would have been a non-issue. The difference here is the fight that occured in the middle of these “cheap shots”. Trash talking and shoving after the play is not grounds for a professional football player to fly off the handle the way Light did. It’s a physically and emotionally draining game. But there is no place in it for punching. Crowder deserves his fine, maybe even Porter does too, but Light should not be on the feild this weekend, it sends the wrong message league-wide that behavior like that will go unpunished. A $15,000 fine will not deter anyone from throwing a fist the next time they feel disrespected, when they are a year in year out, high quality starter like Light. ”
    There has been plenty of times players throw punches in this league and I cannot remember a single time a player has been suspended for doing so. Let’s not get holier than thou though. Joey Porter and William weren’t suspended a few years back after their infamous pregame brawl that got them ejected nor were Jeremia Trotter and Kevin Mathis for their pregame fight that was broadcast live on national TV. There has been far worse examples of fighting in the NFL that have gone without suspensions.
    I know it was against your Dolphins, but stop playing the victim here. I know throwing a few punches is far worse than trying to end someone season or possibly career by purposely trying to take out their knee. Which is worse really? A horrible looking and painful black eye or a minor ACL tear?
    Light was wrong and deserved to get punished, but let’s not make this out to be like Albert Haynesworth stepping on a guy’s face with no helmet on.
    This sending sending a message league wide crap is BS. If Jared Allen can go without a suspension for trying to end a guy’s season, how is suspending a guy for throwing a few punches going to send a message. What is the message? Light should have doved at Crowder’s knees rather than throw a punch?

  85. Rob0769 says: Nov 26, 2008 1:59 PM

    BTW, Trotter and Mathis for their brawl on national TV only got them $5,000 fines each. Porter and Green were each fined $10,000 each. Both those fights were far more violent and got far more air time than what Light did. What exactly was that message to the league?

  86. kaos2288 says: Nov 26, 2008 2:01 PM

    PATS fans are clowns … Your team should be kicked out of this league … Its a league for professional men to play football… Not cheaters and girls who like to pull hair

  87. Ralphie says: Nov 26, 2008 2:03 PM

    TexasPhinsFan, you’re an excuse machine. Chowder crossed the line. Players talk shit all the time in every sport, but it’s very rare that they cross the line and go after “family” and low down filthy personal remarks. That’s what Chowder did. If you going to act like a punk, and Chowder is a trash-talking, Mary J Blige-looking mega-pussy, you’re gonna get treated like a punk. Here is a wonderful picture of Mary J Chowder running from that big meanie Matt Light. Love those “honey” dreads.
    http://cache.boston.com/resize/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2008/11/20/1227234481_1070/300h.jpg

  88. Devils Advocate says: Nov 26, 2008 2:13 PM

    you idiots – I can just ditto this comment all day long:
    You know it’s amazing how stupid most of you are. I just got done reading most of the commentary on this blog and it’s no wonder this country is in the state that it is in. With dopes like you making insane choices in the voting booth we are screwed forever.
    Past history plays a big part in whether a player will be suspended. Did any of you wonderkind even consider that prior to your ridiculous comments. Light has been a model citizen for his entire career and a Pro Bowl player. While he did lose his cool and you will never know why because he has to much class to repeat it he was wrong and he knows it. The reason he grabbed the punks hair is because he was running away. To me they were open handed slaps to the back of the punks head but that is open to some discussion. Light was wrong, he will be punished but in “HIS” case a suspension would be excessive. Now that he has established a history he will need to be very careful because the commish wont be as kind down the road.
    Furthermore, to say that the commish is in Bob Krafts pocket is so damn retarded it’s incredible. God – give me a break you people. If you don’t have any brains don’t bother leaving a post. Moron’s the world is full of them. This blog is proof of the “dumbing down of America”.

  89. sm2008 says: Nov 26, 2008 2:15 PM

    Did someone seriously just make a Holocaust analogy? Please, that’s utterly absurd.
    There’s no reason for this to be such a big deal. For one, I’ve only been to find one angle from the highlights. And from that angle its pretty hard to tell exactly where this begins. I’d assume the league had access to the team’s tapes or other angles. But that’s neither here nor there.
    Crowder gets up and lunges at Light after they both fell at the end of the play. Lots of people are describing it as a shove, but to be honest I can see how from Light’s perspective it looked more like Crowder was coming at him swinging for his face. So he fought back. Both player crossed the line. Both get fined.
    The rampant calls of favoritism/conspiracy/pats are root of all evil is pretty childish. Two men got heated in a physical and chippy game and went over the line. The equal fines are a good message instead of trying to split hairs by crying about who started it or who finished it.
    And re: the trash talking issue. I’ve played some organized sports and plenty of pick up games. There is ‘game trash talk’ and there is ‘let’s start a fight trash talk’. There is a line, and its not about feelings, its about respect. Anyone with ANY sense at all knows that if you cross the line you might get popped in the mouth.

  90. empty13 says: Nov 26, 2008 2:17 PM

    crowder is giving up 2″ and 55# to light. and he also allows light the ample use of his own hair as a weapon.
    he ran because he was losing.

  91. overkil2 says: Nov 26, 2008 2:18 PM

    “Good to see that the NFL recognizes that Crowder instigated this fight. Crowder’s a slime for saying what he did about Matt’s family members ”
    Haha, You don’t think players talk trash out there on the field? If you don’t have a thick skin, you shouldn’t be playing football.
    Both players deserved to be fined, but imo Light’s fine should be a bit heftier for the punches to the back of the head.
    To all those calling Crowder a pussy for backing away, What would you do when a 320Lb lineman (wearing a helmet) is pounding on your head? Common sense says to back away because you certainly aren’t going to hurt him by throwing punches at him. Then again most Pats fans don’t have any common sense, heck they are still trying to justify the taping of signals.

  92. partner55416386 says: Nov 26, 2008 2:22 PM

    “EverybodyCheats says:
    November 26th, 2008 at 11:45 am
    Crowder pushed Light after the whistle so Light pushed him down to the ground inadvertently taking Crowder’s helmet off. Crowder took offense so he shoved Light. Light then grabbed some of Crowder’s pretty girlish locks and took a few shots.
    That is what actually happened. Both players definitely should have been ejected, Refs have to take control of the game, especially divisional games because of all the tension and bad blood. It has already been pointed out twice, once by a poster and once by Florio, that there was a fight a couple weeks ago and the same punishments happened. Ejections and 15000. I am a little surprised that Light didn’t get a little more, but Crowder didn’t drop it after the original two shoves, he felt the need to retaliate to the retaliation. Was Light wrong? Yes. Was Crowder wrong? Yes. Lets just move on.
    It’s a good thing you girls don’t watch hockey, I don’t think you have the balls for it.
    Urlacher would definitely call you all p—ies. ”
    Quoted for truth.

  93. Rob0769 says: Nov 26, 2008 2:38 PM

    texasPHINSfan,
    Although as a Pats fan I didn’t believe Crowder deserved the same punishment as Light, what you don’t get is that the league didn’t agree with you or I that instigating the fight is “against the rules” or that he didn’t cross the line. Both the refs on the field and the league offices say the contrary to what you believe.
    You are doing the same thing you are accusing the Pats fans of. You are jumping to conclusions that what Crowder did or said didn’t cross the line and wasn’t in violation of the rules. None of know what was said or done throughout the game that led up to this. Obviously the league feels it was a lot worse than you think.

  94. hamandeggs says: Nov 26, 2008 2:45 PM

    Guys, it was a fight. Some of you are acting like you’ve never seen one before in your lives. The players were ejected, they were fined. This should be enough for you to get over it.
    But if you’re still confused, give me another few seconds of your time. The precedent set by the Bengals-Jaguars fight a few weeks ago should have informed you of what punishment to expect from this one. In that situation, the apparent aggressor, Henderson, had his thumb in the eye of the apparent victim, Whitworth. Both players were ejected and fined the same amount. The Light and Crowder scrum was treated the same way.
    The NFL’s system of handing out punishment is profit-driven. It is not meant to satisfy the public’s thirst for justice (or more like bloodthirst when the Patriots are involved). When compared to roughing-the-passer fines, is it “fair” that fights result in lesser punishment? Maybe not. But don’t say that the League is being inconsistent in this regard or that this is a case of playing favorites. They are being consistent within their system.

  95. JoeSixPack says: Nov 26, 2008 3:03 PM

    I think we’ve learned one thing from this debate:
    Those who defend Crowder are all the proud bastard sons of low class whores who’s wives and girlfriends need to look to other men to satisfy them and openly advocate for NFL Players to engage in personal trash talk, and get as much of laugh out of it as Crowder does.

  96. zachintosh says: Nov 26, 2008 3:06 PM

    Both should of gotten fined… but Lights shoulda been worse, and a suspension.
    Roger wouldn’t of let that happen to Vrabel!
    C’mon Roger get with it, Light had malicious intent! More so than DL/LB’s hitting our sissy QB’s!

  97. tgojs13 says: Nov 26, 2008 3:07 PM

    Kate773…please let me know where in the rulebook its against the rules to talk shit you dumb slut? I believe you wont have an answer!

  98. finsbooyah says: Nov 26, 2008 3:13 PM

    Robo –
    The fights you are talking about happened in the pre-Goodell era. I’m not so shocked about what happened and I do think soome of the people on here, are making too much of a big deal out of this (especially when comparing it to Hitler). But my point is that the punishments handed down from the powers that be are totally inconsistent with the previous disciplinary measures imposed during Goodell’s short tenure. Judging by the way he handled similar, and less offensive cases in the past, Light got off way too easy.

  99. CaptainFantastik says: Nov 26, 2008 3:45 PM

    LOL at Cheatriots fans condoning the sissy hair-pulling of their lard-ass O-lineman because he couldn’t figure out any other way to deal with Crowder……who was laying out Patriots all day long (ask Wes Welker). Be glad Crowder didn’t fight back because Light’s funeral service would’ve likely been held this week because of it.
    Let’s see……Matt Light can grab a player’s hair and punch him as he’s trying to extricate himself from the melee and gets fined 15K. James Harrison makes a criticism of an offical and gets 20K. gee, THAT makes sense. *rolls eyes*
    It’s pathetic how far up Kraft’s ass Roger Goodell is. It was sadly apparent once the final whistle sounded after the Giants/Patriots game in week 17 last year when the camera cut to Kraft’s box. He and Goodell were laughing and hugging like school girls.

  100. onanygivensunday says: Nov 26, 2008 3:47 PM

    Finally some smashmouth football. Ms. Channing deserved to get her brains bashed in. I’d rather have a tuff, nasty football team anyday then have a bunch of girlie men for a football team.Dolphins played like fairies.

  101. texasPHINSfan says: Nov 26, 2008 3:56 PM

    i never once absolved crowder of any punishment. i just said he shouldn’t have been ejected, and i also feel that his fine should be lesser than Light’s.
    the issue here (between posters) is that the Light sympathizers are absolving Light of ANY wrongdoing, and instead citing Crowder as the sole person to blame. THAT is what i have a problem with.
    Robo – fact is NO ONE HERE knows what was said. what I’M saying is that since none of us knows, no one here can state that what crowder said warrants anything at all. A couple of pats fans here have made assumptions with no proof…. all we know is what we saw on tape. I didn’t jump to any conclusion. what i DO know is that nowhere in NFL rules does it say you cannot talk trash on the field. until someone posts a quote from either player regarding what was said, i think all talk of making assumptions of dialogue should stop.
    Ralphie – i’m an “excuse” machine? what excuses have i made? your only claims in this thread are regarding the severity of the comments; being as how you’ve never played i’m guessin gyou have ZERO knowledge on this subject. “family” comments and “girlfriend/wife” comments get made ALL the time. i had a DB from FSU who was lined up across from me once tell me that he made my girlfriend scream last night. i’m trying to tell you this stuff gets said all the time…. but again, until you or anyone can post a link to show the dialoge, i don’t think you guys should be using that as a defense. 😉
    lastly i fail to understand all the jared allen comparisons here… when we point fingers at light, pats fans point fingers at allen. who cares about allen? he wasn’t in this game. what allen did was bad as well, but deflecting attention by trying to relate to a completely different scenario doesn’t work.

  102. pats307 says: Nov 26, 2008 3:57 PM

    I don’t think Crowder ran because he was losing.
    He ran because he thought he had just gotten Light kicked out of the game. That was why he ran away smiling.
    As well as he had been playing, if both light and crowder had gotten suspensions, Miami’s already dim playoff hopes would be done.
    Next time Mom brings your laundry down to the basement, she can splain that to you.

  103. Rob0769 says: Nov 26, 2008 4:24 PM

    finsbooyah,
    I agree the NFL is inconsistent with their punishments, but there is no prescidence where a player has ever been suspended for punching another player before or after Goodell became commissioner. Fighting has always been a finable offense, not a suspension offense. You can argue the dollar value of the fines and their inconsistencies, but I don’t think a player has ever been suspended for punching another player and Light definitely wasn’t the first to do so in the Goodell era. Maybe a repeat offender has, but Light has never been disciplined by the NFL before to my knowledge.

  104. Murabma says: Nov 26, 2008 4:38 PM

    Robo769’s quote…
    “I think people are blowing this out of proportion because it is the Patriots. I see similiar fist fights like this at least a half a dozen times a year. They are wrong every time they happen, but it isn’t like Light went to take out Crowder’s knee. That is a suspendable offense.”
    Hey Robo, so I guess that means you supported a suspension for your boy, Fat Vince then, eh? If not, then STFU…..

  105. Ralphie says: Nov 26, 2008 4:48 PM

    TexasPhinFan, regardless of what you say about your experience with people lining up across from you, I listened to Vince Wilfork, Light and Bruschi speak about the trash talking last Sunday on the air during this week. These are pro players who’ve been in the game a long time and they say what was being said is not the norm. Trash is talked, but it rarely, ever gets to the guttural level like this they all said happened. There’s too much respect in the league to cross “a line” said Wilfork, and he said everyone in the league knows what “the line” is. Miami was too stupid to know once you cross that line you are giving the other team more incentive than ever to kick you ass (figuratively and literally). Toss in that someone on the Pats staff was smart enough to tell the players at the beginning of the game how “Forest Gump” Porter disrespected the players and the organization on ESPN that morning and you just released a whole can o’ whoop ass right in time for a 1 PM kick off. No wonder the Pats hung 48 on them and kept shoving it down their throats to the end. Miami, Porter, Chowder and the rest of the loudmouths brought it on themselves.

  106. BuckFutter says: Nov 26, 2008 4:58 PM

    “Rob0769 says:
    November 26th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
    finsbooyah,
    I agree the NFL is inconsistent with their punishments, but there is no prescidence where a player has ever been suspended for punching another player before or after Goodell became commissioner. Fighting has always been a finable offense, not a suspension offense.”
    No crap….remember Ray Buchanan body slamming some dude a few years ago? He was fined $7500.
    The truth is, no matter what the punishment was, people would complain. If he was suspended one game, it should have been four. Just like with spygate….they should have taken their other first round pick, Belichick should have been suspended for a year, he should have been suspended for life…..seriously, I hate throwing the term around because it’s so arrogant, but that attitude IS pure jealousy. You are holding the Patriots up to a higher standard just because you want to see them damaged. I understand the attitude, but you need to let it go. You’ll be so much happier if you just root for other teams to beat the Patriots, and erase the ridiculous bitterness. The Patriots winning are turning fans of every other team in the NFL into Philadelphians….is that really what you want, Dolphins fans? To be the same as Eagle fans?
    Let it go.

  107. FCSquid says: Nov 26, 2008 5:10 PM

    “Those who defend Crowder are all the proud bastard sons of low class whores who’s wives and girlfriends need to look to other men to satisfy them and openly advocate for NFL Players to engage in personal trash talk, and get as much of laugh out of it as Crowder does. ”
    Hands-down the stupidest thing I’ve come across on the internet in the last 5 years. Thanks for making me dumber, and I’ll be invoicing you for the lost productivity caused by the 30 seconds of my life that I’ll never get back.
    Good grief.

  108. hayward giablommi says: Nov 26, 2008 5:58 PM

    Buckfutter-
    as someone who regrettably deal with Philadelphians every day, I think what you describe is *worse* than Philly fans.
    Its an out of control, irrational, vindictive, brainwashed angry mob on rabies who have lost all touch with what it means to be a fan of one’s team. It’s analogous to what America’s turned into, build someone /something up just to take perverse glee in tearing it all down. Sad, really.

  109. jets83 says: Nov 26, 2008 6:14 PM

    So Eric Smith gets suspended for a hit that was unintentional and took place during the normal course of the game, but Matt Light only gets fined for throwing punches?????

  110. mike hunt says: Nov 26, 2008 9:16 PM

    Forget the fines, I know from what I saw, it was a good thing those 3 Dolphin players came up and tackled Light. Crowder was about 2 minutes away from his brains oozing out of his ears and dying on the field

  111. Orenthal James says: Nov 27, 2008 11:26 AM

    If Light had been fined for $20,000 and Crowder fined for $10,000, that would have been “fair.” As it stands, Crowder should appeal. Goodell sending the wrong message yet again.

  112. Donnie says: Nov 28, 2008 7:22 AM

    Crowder is a thug and Im glad matt got in the clean punches

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