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DUNGY: JAMES HARRISON IS THE NFL MVP

As the Colts continue their turnaround from a 3-4 start to their current 10-4 record, many people are picking quarterback Peyton Manning as the league’s Most Valuable Player.
But Manning’s coach, Tony Dungy, has a different choice for MVP.
Dungy said on Sirius NFL Radio that he believes Steelers linebacker James Harrison is the league’s true MVP.
“To me, he does a lot,” Dungy said of Harrison. “He’s like Randy Moss or Dwight Freeney. You have to game plan for him in terms of how you’re going to block him in the passing game, so he puts that on the table even before the game starts. And then he does other things: He drops in pass coverage, he covers tight ends, you can move him around, and he’s not just a one-dimensional rusher. He’s a linebacker who also rushes, and he’s been the most dominant player on the best defense in football, and by next Sunday they might have the best record in football.”
Dungy may be particularly swayed by the way Harrison played against his own team: In the Colts’ Week 10 win over the Steelers, Harrison recorded nine solo tackles and a sack.

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  1. Frank Burns says: Dec 18, 2008 11:32 AM

    “He drops in pass coverage, he covers tight ends, you can move him around, and he’s not just a one-dimensional rusher.”
    As opposed to Ware, who only does one thing basically. And let me say this: James Harrison doesn’t get blocked, he only gets held. If he’s not MVP of the league, he’s certainly the top defensive player right now.

  2. kaygee08 says: Dec 18, 2008 11:39 AM

    I’d agree with him. He’s constantly double teamed and still dominates. Look how many times he’s being held & no flag is thrown.

  3. joetoronto says: Dec 18, 2008 11:41 AM

    I think the world of James Harrison but if I had to choose either him or Manning, it would be Manning, easily.

  4. ball-hawk says: Dec 18, 2008 11:41 AM

    NFL MVP should go to Harrison or Ware….It is going to be a tough call, both played with dominance on defense this year.

  5. The Jimmy says: Dec 18, 2008 11:43 AM

    As usual Dungy is corrrect.
    Harrison is seldom blocked without being held yet somehow there hasn’t been a single holding call in favor of the Steelers for 6 games.
    I don’t know why Dan Rooney doesn’t tell his officials to call holding once in awhile. He does have them “in his pocket” afterall.

  6. nomore says: Dec 18, 2008 11:49 AM

    Ravens Shut him DOWN

  7. ware94 says: Dec 18, 2008 11:52 AM

    I’ve been saying it for awhile now, Defensive Player of the Year will be one of three guys: Harrison, DeMarcus Ware, or Joey Porter.

  8. LebronJeremy says: Dec 18, 2008 11:55 AM

    There has never been one flag thrown for holding Harrison. That’s a stat, not a hyperbole.
    In that Indy game he had three men on him the whole game, and he was still pressurig Manning. I think Pitt wins that game is Woodly is healthy; Harrison beats double teams regularly, and he even beat a triple team once in that game.
    Ware is an excellent pass-rusher but he is lousy in space and in coverage. Dallas gets a lot of sacks because Ware is so fast, but they essentially run a 5-2 defense. Ware should be a DE not an OLB.

  9. GigantoGillicus says: Dec 18, 2008 11:57 AM

    Harrison is as deserving of the MVP as was pre-suspension Merriman. He is that same kind of dominant player.
    Who’d a thunk it? A practice squad reject from Kent State to NFL MVP. Ain’t America great!

  10. I C light pounder says: Dec 18, 2008 12:01 PM

    yes the raven shut him down because they held him the whole game. he constanyl gets held and the refs just look the other way and he still is able to get to the QB and make plays happen. just get off the manning bandwagon (both peyton and eli)yes they are good QBs but not great, if peyton was as great as everyone makes him out to be why does he not have another ring or 2? and why did it take him that long to get his first (unlike big ben, the most under rated QB in the NFL)
    give it to harrison, he is a great player and he has come a long way since being cut, nfl europe. ware is over rated and is not as versitle as harrison is.

  11. RobJH says: Dec 18, 2008 12:01 PM

    Harrison’s great, but so are Woodley and Polamalu. I’d give DPOTY to Joey Porter who is basically the only guy getting pressure on that defense and MVP to Matt Ryan for his performance and making ATL forget about the Vick and Petrino fiascos.

  12. fordman84 says: Dec 18, 2008 12:03 PM

    Who says Ware can’t cover? I remember watching him run a sideline route with a RB (can’t think of the game) and make a heck of a sweet play to stay with him and break up the pass. This was 20 yards downfield and a LB was hanging with the RB.
    If Harrison gets it over Ware (who WILL breakk Strahans’ ‘Favre fall down’ sack record) then that is a travesty. Ware has had much worse coverage down field than Harrison yet he still has more sacks. You don’t see Ware getting many “coverage” sacks.

  13. Vox Veritas says: Dec 18, 2008 12:04 PM

    “As opposed to Ware, who only does one thing basically”
    At first I thought you were joking, then I realized that you’re serious. He does it all every game. You don’t get 70+ tackles by basically just rushing the passer and he’s only got one fewer PD than Harrison.

  14. Bellicheat says: Dec 18, 2008 12:08 PM

    Cue the short bus, retard Pats fan commenting on “St. Dungy” and “piped-in noise”, and how Dungy’s comments disrespect the genius that is Bellicheat and The Brady, greatest QB that there ever was… in three…two…one…

  15. omegalh says: Dec 18, 2008 12:08 PM

    Its Harrison or AP for MVP.

  16. Deadguy says: Dec 18, 2008 12:10 PM

    Ravens shut him down… laughable. Despite not getting the holding calls, Harrison was not shut down. There are different game plans for different teams. This Steeler team isn’t full of a bunch of individuals. They all play for the team and do what needs to be done for the W. If Harrison was “shut down”, I’d think the Ravens would’ve had a little more to show for it. This isn’t fantasy football… Teams game plan to limit Harrison’s role… that’s a huge advantage before the game even starts.

  17. TheTylerRose-BestEver says: Dec 18, 2008 12:10 PM

    I don’t know why Dan Rooney doesn’t tell his officials to call holding once in awhile. He does have them “in his pocket” afterall.
    ——————
    Not the officials, just Goodell, as clearly demonstrated by the continual bending of the ownership rules for the Steelers. Get it right, man!

  18. C-StudentGeardotcom says: Dec 18, 2008 12:11 PM

    Cowboys SHUT HARRISON DOWN!
    Name an O-Line that shutdown Ware.

  19. Pea Tear Griffin says: Dec 18, 2008 12:12 PM

    Harrison would have already broken Strahan’s record had the ref’s ever called holding penalties on left tackles. Everyone gets away with it.

  20. Bill In DC says: Dec 18, 2008 12:13 PM

    Lebron,
    You have no idea what you are talking about. You obviously have not seen Ware play, especially early in the season when he was dropping in coverage quite a bit. DeMarcus Ware could play safety. His coverage skills are that good (and he’s that fast). Whenever he has dropped back in coverage his guy has not caught a pass. he could most likely play TE as well. Dallas does not run essentially a ‘5-2’. Four of the 8 sacks they got against the Giants came with them rushing 4. In fact Dallas rushes 4 far more often than 5 or 6.
    What exactly does ‘lousy in space’ mean? People don’t even try to run to his side of the field anymore. If he was ‘lousy in space’ he would not be playing OLB.
    “Ware should be a DE not an OLB.” ??? How does a guy who weighs in at 260 play DE in a 3-4? That’s just silly. In a 4-3 he might be a DE, but no way he can be a DE in 3-4.

  21. dharrrster says: Dec 18, 2008 12:14 PM

    ok, time to set you fools straight. just because harrison has more tackles does not make him better than ware or even a more complete player. ware is dominant in the running game as well, watch cowboys games you will see him flying to the ball and tackling runners in the backfield every game.
    yea ok LebronJeremy he was TRIPLE TEAMED ALL GAME and still pressured Manning, funny joke, hardly a game i would use to show harrison’s dominance. not to take anything away from him, but its not like ware isin’t double teamed, in fact most of the other sacks for the cowboys occur because ware is the one guy the other team is doing their best to block. ware is lousy in coverage? LOL, he ran stride for stride and broke up a pass against frank gore, a running back and one of the fastest in the league. i doubt very seriously harrison has that type of athletic ability. another thing with ware is consistency. he gets constant pressure every game and had a 10 game sack streak this season and has only one game without a sack this year. whereas Harrison has 5 games with no sacks at all..now i realize the sack is not everything, but ware is by no means a one dimensional player, to say such is just idiotic.

  22. Bubby Brister says: Dec 18, 2008 12:16 PM

    I’m glad somebody of Dungy’s respect is promoting this idea.
    MVP, DEF POY, Super Bowl MVP, something — ANYTHING. If this guy walks out of this season without some sort of trophy for his individual efforts…well, he got DEBACLED.
    nomore:
    Having a freakin’ tackle in as your TE to help double team a guy for nearly the entire game will usually shut down just about anybody.

  23. Ben Roethlisbunger says: Dec 18, 2008 12:19 PM

    I have to agree with the comments that say Harrison is the complete player. So many LBs can’t cover tight ends, and just rack up sacks without focusing on the other 75% of their jobs.

  24. dharrrster says: Dec 18, 2008 12:21 PM

    this “harrison never gets holding calls” is a pathetic attempt to justify harrison’s lack of consistency when compared to ware. please stop it.

  25. Mistress Rachael says: Dec 18, 2008 12:21 PM

    Compare him to Joey Porter, who can/does not make a run tackle & couldn’t cover a tight end on his last legs.
    Harrison is complete…Porter does a great job running around a tackle and sacking….but all other plays he disappears.
    Watch Porter in big games…never more than 1 tackle….gets all his stats vs Detroits & Oaklands

  26. desides says: Dec 18, 2008 12:22 PM

    Harrison is a legitimate candidate, but only one of a few. I would actually put Chad Pennington ahead of him: look at how Pennington is leading the turnaround in Miami.
    Some other names worth thinking about are Kurt Warner, Jay Cutler, and Andre Johnson.

  27. Hollywood Wags says: Dec 18, 2008 12:24 PM

    Harrison doesn’t get held on every play.
    He gets TACKLED on every play.
    It’s a disgrace, but a testament to how freaking strong he is.
    That said, the D’s performance would be different without Timmons being on the field, that guy is unreal.

  28. Vox Veritas says: Dec 18, 2008 12:28 PM

    You guys crack me up!
    “Ware is an excellent pass-rusher but he is lousy in space and in coverage.”
    Honestly, where do you guys get this crap? Lousy in space? He’s got over 60 solo tackles, bitch!
    “Dallas gets a lot of sacks because Ware is so fast, but they essentially run a 5-2 defense.”
    They got 4 sacks against the Giants rushing only 4 guys. Two of Ware’s three sacks.
    “Ware should be a DE not an OLB. ”
    I kinda like Ware right where he’s at, in a 3-4 D. Pretty much like I’m sure that you like Harrison right where he’s at in a 3-4 D. I’m pretty sure Ware could play DE in a base 4-3 if he had to and still be dominant. He plays it pretty well as a down lineman when the Cowboys show 4-3. Not so sure if Harrison could do the same because I’ve never seen him play in a 4-3 D. Point is that you don’t want either of those guys at DE in a 3-4 D. It’s a waste of their talent.

  29. freedomispopular says: Dec 18, 2008 12:29 PM

    I C light pounder, did Brady win all those Super Bowls all by his lonesome? No, it was a team effort. For several years, the Colts defense was absolutely horrendous, and even now, though it is improved, is still not stellar at all. Manning could be the greatest quarterback in history and could still have only one ring just because he can’t do it all by himself. Was Dan Marino a great quarterback? Apparently, using your logic, no, since he doesn’t have any rings.

  30. fleaver says: Dec 18, 2008 12:30 PM

    “Ware is an excellent pass-rusher but he is lousy in space and in coverage.”
    Wow. There isnt a RB in the league that beats Ware to the outside, one on one.

  31. sim448 says: Dec 18, 2008 12:32 PM

    the mvp is still kurt warner, just for the fact that they already locked up the division and his numbers are still good. he has 2 more games to play(one loss coming sunday in the snow), but at 9-7, if he throws 30 tds and 4000 yards, with that pathetic organozation, he is the MVP. 2nd- Michael Turner 3rd- Drew Brees….i dont care what their record is, Brees has been great this year…..hey belicheat, you notice that indy’s new stadium isnt all that loud anymore? douchebag….”nobody could ever try to bend the rules, just the pats”give me a break….i cant believe some of you idiots are still saying that…and the Tom Brady comments…if you havent noticed, matt cassell is our qb this year, and we are still 9-5. where would the colts be w/out Manning??????????? not 9-5, that is for sure, unless you think Jim Sorgi can play..hahahahahahaha

  32. kellyb9 says: Dec 18, 2008 12:33 PM

    It’s unlikely that a league MVP will go to a defensive player. My bet is Adrian Peterson will get it.

  33. stiller43 says: Dec 18, 2008 12:33 PM

    dharrrster,
    “…he ran stride for stride and broke up a pass against frank gore, a running back and one of the fastest in the league.”
    Frank Gore one of the fastest RB’s in the league????????
    Frank Gore is about as fast as the Bus. I’m not saying Gore sucks. I think he’s great and I would love to have him on my team, (save for the fumbles) but Gore is not a speed guy whatsoever. he’s way more of a power back than a speed back.

  34. Santo1276 says: Dec 18, 2008 12:33 PM

    how many forced fumbles does Ware have?

  35. Vox Veritas says: Dec 18, 2008 12:37 PM

    This is all just waste of bytes, they’re not gonna name any defensive player as the MVP, I don’t care who it is. Warner, BertFarve, whoever it is it’s gonna be an offensive guy and some deserving people are gonna get shafted. The real debate is gonna be DPOY because there are really only 2 or 3 choices and they’re all really, really good players. Personally I think it’s down to Ware and Harrison. If Ware can get 3.5, dare I say 4 sacks in these last two games, he’s a lock. Nothing against Harrison, but his production is falling off lately and the ability to finish strong and be fresh in the minds of the reporters will be big in a race that’s this close.
    But I still say that if he gets 3.5, Ware should be considered the record holder. Can you imagine Donovan McNabb laying down so Ware can get a record, like BertFarve did for Strahan? Me either.

  36. 7Steeler86 says: Dec 18, 2008 12:45 PM

    Ravens shut him down?
    Nomore you are an idiot! The Ravens had to consistantly run an unbalanced line formation the entire game just to slow him down
    and still held him. (in case you didn’t see it get high def). That is
    what Dungy is talking about, they had to game plan just to slow
    Harrison down!!

  37. mrmagoo says: Dec 18, 2008 12:50 PM

    DeMarcus Ware is a great player but Dungy is right about Harrison in this:
    “He’s a linebacker who also rushes, and he’s been the most dominant player on the best defense in football”
    I understand why you don’t think you’d trade Ware for Harrison but Steeler fan’s aren’t pining for your guy either. At either OLB spot.

  38. Mike D says: Dec 18, 2008 12:58 PM

    Next time u watch a Steeler game, watch Harrison closely. You’ll be AMAZED at how often and how blatantly he gets held. This guy makes as many game-changing plays as anybody out there and he should get the nod for MVP.

  39. ClevelandSucks says: Dec 18, 2008 1:07 PM

    Bill In DC
    “Ware should be a DE not an OLB.” ??? How does a guy who weighs in at 260 play DE in a 3-4? That’s just silly. In a 4-3 he might be a DE, but no way he can be a DE in 3-4.
    Ummm does the name Jason Taylor ring a bell???

  40. Wrathchild says: Dec 18, 2008 1:10 PM

    A linebacker as the NFL MVP? I don’t think so.

  41. kurtwarnerfumbledagain says: Dec 18, 2008 1:24 PM

    Good job of Dungy throwing his #1 asset under the bus.
    If Manning said Fisher, or Smtih, or anyone else was Coach of the year, the media would be bashing him like they have before.
    Without Manning the Colts might have 3 wins at this point. Without Harrison the Steelers would still be an above .500 team.
    Peyton Manning is the most valuable player in the NFL.

  42. Walrus says: Dec 18, 2008 1:55 PM

    “Not so sure if Harrison could do the same because I’ve never seen him play in a 4-3 D. ”
    Like Ware, Harrison plays the end in the nickle and did vs the Cowboys. In a full time 4-3 he could and probably would play linebacker.

  43. J Buc says: Dec 18, 2008 1:59 PM

    C-StudentGeardotcom says:
    December 18th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
    Cowboys SHUT HARRISON DOWN!
    Name an O-Line that shutdown Ware.
    *************************************************
    Tampa did it, and that o-line is not that great

  44. Hollywood Wags says: Dec 18, 2008 2:02 PM

    Does Ware also play special teams?
    Harrison does.

  45. TCLARK says: Dec 18, 2008 2:05 PM

    “He’s like Randy Moss or Dwight Freeney.”
    What? Dwight Freeney hasn’t done squat in two years. And he is very one dimentional. This season 20 solo takles in 14 games! Pro bowl my ass! Second best lineman on his own team. Mathis I have no problem with.

  46. kurtwarnerfumbledagain says: Dec 18, 2008 2:30 PM

    Sin,
    Warner is the least legitimate candidate mentioned on this blog.
    He co-leads the league in turnovers and has the two top receivers that turn him into chicken pie from chicken shit.
    75%+ starting qb’s in the NFL would have that team in first place in that division(worst in football), including Matt Leinart, who has thrown for 3-400 yards in losses before like Warner does.
    2-5 vs. teams with winning record.
    3-6 outside of his weak division.
    The whole division has only won 5 games outside of division play with 26 losses.

  47. Frank Burns says: Dec 18, 2008 2:35 PM

    nomore says:
    December 18th, 2008 at 11:49 am
    Ravens Shut him DOWN
    ——————————–
    Uh no, Adam Terry basically grabbed him around the neck and held on for dear life. How they miss that kind of holding is beyond me.
    This goes on every game. Harrison easily could have 6 or 7 more sacks than he does right now — NO player gets held and tackled like he does.

  48. LebronJeremy says: Dec 18, 2008 2:38 PM

    If anyone runs to Gregg Ellis’s side of the field he gets the tackle. If anyone runs to Woodly’s isde of the field, Harrison often gets the tackle. Harrison drops into coverage and no one even looks to that side of the field. When Ware drops into coverage, offenses exploit it with screen passes. The guy is so fast down-field but he’s easy to take advantage of because of his aggression. I have yet to see anyone take advantage of Harrison in coverage. In fact he has an int and 4 passes defended.
    Ware has no passes defended because you could get him with a double move. That is what it means to be lousy in space. Ware is a spectacular pass-rusher, which is why he is more of a DE. In coverage, though? His zone is way smaller than Harrison’s.
    Harrison also has more tackles and forced fumbles, and he get’s held if he’s not making the play.
    Ware has a lot of sacks and he gets the added plus of holding calls.

  49. Frank Burns says: Dec 18, 2008 2:38 PM

    Sorry Vox but even Jaworski, the ultimate tape nerd, says Ware can’t play the run. Biased much?
    Post from an actual message board, not by me:
    “Ron Jaworski is a good friend of the family and he even knows d-ware can’t play the run. He still thinks hes amazing but he CANT play the run. And everyone knows Jaws has no life and all he does is watch tape…really its all he does.”
    Harrison is simply the most complete all-around ‘backer in the game.

  50. fordman84 says: Dec 18, 2008 2:39 PM

    J Buc says:
    December 18th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
    C-StudentGeardotcom says:
    December 18th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
    Cowboys SHUT HARRISON DOWN!
    Name an O-Line that shutdown Ware.
    *************************************************
    Tampa did it, and that o-line is not that great
    ———————————————–
    Yeah, Tampa has a WAY worse line than Cincy. Good job on that one Harrison. 2 solo’s and nothing else! WOOHOO. That CLE game was something to write home about too.

  51. Stillers says: Dec 18, 2008 3:07 PM

    The fact that Harrison leads the Number 1 ranked defense in sacks is only more reason to vote him MVP. When Tony Dungy says other teams have to plan for him it means they bring in other players to block. Does anyone know what this does for other players on the defense?? Theres a second year guy named LaMar Woodley who is top 5 in the NFL for sacks BECAUSE other teams have to plan for Harrison. Harrison makes other players better. This is the true sign of an MVP. Hey Vox who is the second leading tackler on the Cowboys?? I couldnt name him and I seriously doubt he has nearly as many sacks as Woodley. Harrison is also number 1 in the league in forced fumbles, a stat that is equal to INTs for players in the secondary. Ware is good, but Harrison does more for him team than any other player in the league. Porter blitzes every single play and has less than half the total tackeles that Harrison has. Ive been saying it all along and I will continue…
    Harrison for MVP

  52. Kevin from Philly says: Dec 18, 2008 3:10 PM

    Sounds like Dungy wants to become an agent after he quits coaching.

  53. Stillers says: Dec 18, 2008 3:13 PM

    Hollywood Wags…
    I agree, Timmons is a monster its just a shame they cant get him on the field more since Foote is also playing well. Non-Steelers fans have no idea whats going to hit them once Timmons take over Footes spot. You think this is the best linebacking core in the NFL right now? Just wait!!!

  54. steeltown pride says: Dec 18, 2008 3:42 PM

    Harrison is as good pass rusher as LT was . And remember he has only been starting in 2 years and look at the total of sacks ? Also look at how many force fumbles he has had . Not to mention JH has more INT’s than Ware . JH always plays on Special teams . I know Ware doesnt ………
    Some teams do shut down JH . But they do with with double tackle combos . How many games was Ware personally won with his play ? I can tell you that JH can credit 4 wins with big plays .

  55. smashmouth football says: Dec 18, 2008 3:46 PM

    All this Pittsburgh talk as if Harrison is the only D-lineman who ever gets held is delusional. Having said that, he is a beast of a player. The Ravens did shut him down, but only by constant double teams, which tend to leave other players unblocked. I agree with the poster who predicts the MVP will probably be an offensive skill position player. But there is a decent chance Harrison could get the nod as DPOY, and I wouldn’t complain about that if it happened.
    BYW, is my memory right that Harrison was a backup on the Ravens early in his career? If so, what a mistake to can that guy…

  56. fordman84 says: Dec 18, 2008 4:31 PM

    LebronJeremy says:
    December 18th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
    If anyone runs to Gregg Ellis’s side of the field he gets the tackle. If anyone runs to Woodly’s isde of the field, Harrison often gets the tackle. Harrison drops into coverage and no one even looks to that side of the field. When Ware drops into coverage, offenses exploit it with screen passes. The guy is so fast down-field but he’s easy to take advantage of because of his aggression. I have yet to see anyone take advantage of Harrison in coverage. In fact he has an int and 4 passes defended.
    Ware has no passes defended because you could get him with a double move.
    ********************
    Harrison has 3 and Ware has 2. Learn to read

  57. CopesCabana says: Dec 18, 2008 4:33 PM

    Nomore: the holding on Harrison has even been noticed and complained about by the comentators for the games. If those blind jerks that are barely watching the game betwoeen their stupid comments see it happening it has to be obvious and happening more than it does to most people.
    Dungy would know better that any of us commenting who should be MVP. He says Harrison, then he has good reason to say that.

  58. fordman84 says: Dec 18, 2008 4:37 PM

    Harrison is a good layer, no doubt. But Ware is simply better. You homer Pitt fans can make up Jaws stories and complain about being held all you want, but there aren’t many in the league that think Harrison is better than Ware. I’d take either on my team, but if I could chose either one it would be Ware. He is just a freak of nature and is only getting better.
    Harrison is just another run of the mill 6-nothing LB that will flame out. He is having a good year this year after a mediocre year last year. 3 years from now the only Harrison people will remember is Rodney.
    So please take off the rose glasses. You have a great player and need to be proud of the year he is having. But he is no Ware. There is a reason everyone is always comparing themselves to him. First it was Merriman that everyone wanted to compare Ware to. There was no comparison on or off the field. Now it is the next up and comer that is trying to compare to Dallas’ own up and still coming (hehe…he said…).
    Ware gets more MVP votes than Harrison without a doubt.
    and neither win it because some half with from the other side of the ball will.

  59. CopesCabana says: Dec 18, 2008 4:45 PM

    Smashmouth: He has been cut by both the Ravens and Steelers in the past.

  60. Stillers says: Dec 18, 2008 5:20 PM

    fordman:
    There are so many things wrong with your post I dont know where to begin…
    “Ware is simply better”
    Based on what? Sacks? Thats only one stat. Harrison has more tackles, tackles for loss, forced fumbles, pass defs, special team tackles, and oh yea only 4 more sacks.
    “there aren’t many in the league that think Harrison is better than Ware”
    Please cite your sources, I would love to know who told you that.
    “He is having a good year this year after a mediocre year last year”
    By mediocre do you mean Pro Bowl season?
    “Ware gets more MVP votes than Harrison without a doubt”
    I have a doubt, alot of people on this board have a doubt and oh yea, Tony Dungy, a head coach in the NFL, yea he has a doubt.
    So unless you are the head coach of a team that is better than 10-4, your “opinion” doesnt mean a damn thing. Dont act like Ware is the better player because YOU believe he is.
    Stillers

  61. Bmore Styles says: Dec 18, 2008 5:25 PM

    This just in…. Mike Pereira supports his Referees and there non-holding calls on Harrison. If he says it, it must be true.

  62. SteelerGal says: Dec 18, 2008 5:27 PM

    @Fordman84
    Tell me, how did Ware do his first two years as a starter? You do know this is only Harrison’s second year as a starter right?
    Ware 1st year starter: 58 total tackles, 47 solo, 11 asst., 8 sacks, 0 Ints
    Ware 2nd year starter: 71 total tackles, 57 solo, 14 asst., 11.5 sacks, 0 Int.
    Ware 4th year starter (’08): 74 total tackles, 61 solo, 13 asst., 19 sacks, 0 Int., 4 FF
    Harrison 1st year starter:98 total tackles, 76 solo, 22 asst., 8.5 sacks, 1 Int, 7 FF
    Harrison 2nd year starter:94 total tackles, 63 solo, 31 asst, 15 sacks, 1 Int, 7 FF (with 2 games to go)
    There, I just compared Harrison to Ware, and honestly, Ware is having his best season this year and the only number that is better than Harrisons is sacks, by 4. Harrison has more tackles, solos and asst, more Int, and more FF.
    I’m sorry, but to say he’s just going to be another 6′ nothing LB that will flame out is ridiculous. By you saying that you would have been basically saying the same thing about Ware after his first two seasons as a starter.
    Harrison may be 30 right now, but he’s only played on STs his first 3 years (I don’t count the 1 game he played in 2002). He’s got a good 4 or 5 years as a LB left in him.

  63. mborz says: Dec 18, 2008 5:49 PM

    @fordman84: I agree with you that it’s unlikely either Ware or Harrison will win. And I’m not going to lobby for Harrison over Ware, I’m not interested in that debate. But don’t you think it’s a little silly to accuse Steelers fans of wearing rose-colored glasses when discussing Harrison when the whole story you’re commenting on exists because an NFL head coach is lobbying for Harrison? Or is Dungy just another delusional Steelers fan too?

  64. Vox Veritas says: Dec 18, 2008 6:19 PM

    “Sorry Vox but even Jaworski, the ultimate tape nerd, says Ware can’t play the run.”
    Got a quote? Why is he your choice for ultimate football guru, anyway?
    “Post from an actual message board, not by me: “Ron Jaworski is a good friend of the family and he even knows d-ware can’t play the run.”
    Oh. Well that proves it. Do you have a head wound?

  65. Vox Veritas says: Dec 18, 2008 6:24 PM

    “Wow. There isnt a RB in the league that beats Ware to the outside, one on one. ”
    You’re talking to a bunch of kids that throw around phrases like “in space” to try to sound knowledgeable.
    “Tampa did it, and that o-line is not that great ”
    They didn’t shut him down, Garcia went to a 3-step drop and still got pressured all day. In fact their last-chance attempt on 4th and 5 in the Cowboys red zone fell incomplete because Ware was in Garcia’s face.

  66. TheRebelMonk says: Dec 18, 2008 6:25 PM

    Harrison had a VERY mediocre year last year, fordman84. I mean, 8.5 sacks, 7 forced fumbles and an interception, a part of 98 tackles (76 solo) and MVP award of a 10-6 Steelers team that is very good defensively. He is good, and here to stay, do some research before saying he is going to immediately flame-out.
    Ware is good, and no team wants to play against him. Harrison is the same way. Harrison has monster games, whereas Ware is slow and steady (well…not slow, but you get what I am saying). The last thing a team wants from Harrison is for him to get hot, like he has a few times. Reference the Ravens game last year on Monday Night Football, with a final stat line of 10 total tackles (9 solo), 3.5 sacks, 4 force fumbles, 1 INT and 1 PD. That right there is why Harrison is so scary.
    Harrison and Ware are equal in taking over games this year for the most part. Harrison this year, against Hou, Bal (1st game) and NE he had games where he took over. Ware has taken over 3 games this year, also. Both are basically equally deserving.
    I give it to Harrison because he has as many more turnovers than Ware (4) as Ware has more sacks than Harrison, and turnovers forced are a bigger stat. Sacks may end drives, turnovers always do…and because I am a homer…and because I have seen Harrison more.
    FTR, the holding IS atrocious, Harrison is the only player that gets the wrong end there on our defense, so I am not just saying this because I am a homer. There is a good reason why. Harrison is short, when he uses his speed and dips his shoulder with good timing, holding is going to happen on the tackles who are used to backers a good bit taller than Harrison. Just look at the game against SD this year for reference of how badly held he has been.
    That being said…there’s still 2 games left, maybe one of them, or someone else, will step up to the plate here and solidify their bid.

  67. Vox Veritas says: Dec 18, 2008 6:29 PM

    “He’s a linebacker who also rushes”
    Wow, never heard of a LB doing that before. haha

  68. Vox Veritas says: Dec 18, 2008 6:30 PM

    “Ware has no passes defended because you could get him with a double move.”
    Ware has one less pass defense than Harrison. If you can’t inform yourself by watching the guy play, you could at least check his stats sheet.

  69. Vox Veritas says: Dec 18, 2008 6:31 PM

    “Does Ware also play special teams?
    Harrison does. ”
    He pretty much has to.

  70. Vox Veritas says: Dec 18, 2008 6:32 PM

    “Ummm does the name Jason Taylor ring a bell???”
    He doesn’t ring any bells that I know of, but he sure whines up a storm.

  71. Vox Veritas says: Dec 18, 2008 6:48 PM

    “Tell me, how did Ware do his first two years as a starter? You do know this is only Harrison’s second year as a starter right?”
    Harrison got plenty of PT in his first two seasons off the Steelers’ practice squad. He didn’t get 90 tackles in ’04 and ’05 sitting on the bench, Steelersgal. Why are you comparing Ware’s first two seasons against what are actually Harrison’s 6th and 7th seasons anyway? You seem to be trying to compare careers, rather than compare the two guys this year.
    If you want to compare careers… well Harrison is 25 sacks, 22 stuffs, and 2 forced fumbles behind Ware, in spite of being in the league three years longer than Ware.

  72. 4G63 says: Dec 18, 2008 7:35 PM

    “Mike D says:
    December 18th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
    Next time u watch a Steeler game, watch Harrison closely. You’ll be AMAZED at how often and how blatantly he gets held. This guy makes as many game-changing plays as anybody out there and he should get the nod for MVP.”
    Funny, you could replace “Harrison” with “Pryce” of the Ravens.

  73. 4G63 says: Dec 18, 2008 7:36 PM

    “Mike D says:
    December 18th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
    Next time u watch a Steeler game, watch Harrison closely. You’ll be AMAZED at how often and how blatantly he gets held. This guy makes as many game-changing plays as anybody out there and he should get the nod for MVP.”
    Funny, you could replace “Harrison” with “Pryce” of the Ravens. Not that Pryce is MVP, but that he gets held….

  74. SteelerGal says: Dec 18, 2008 7:52 PM

    No Vox, I am not trying to compare careers. I clearly stated that Harrison spent his first 3 seasons on STs. If I somehow stuttered that point, I’m sorry. I was comparing their first 2 years as starters, which is a valid comparison. I even compared Wares 4th year as a starter (this year) to Harrisons 2nd year, and outside of sacks, Harrisons stats are better. I have never stated that Ware has not had a successful career, so you can get off your little soapbox on that one.
    You also seem to have no idea about how long Harrison spent on PS so let me inform you: “2002 (1-0/0-0): Originally joined team as a rookie free agent…was released Sept. 1 and then re-signed to the practice squad Sept. 3…was activated to roster Dec. 17 when running back Verron Haynes was placed on the reserve/injured list…dressed in the final regular-season game and played special teams…was inactive for both postseason games. ” “2003 (0-0): Made final roster but was released two days later (9/13)…was signed to practice squad (9/17) but was eventually released (10/7) and did not play for the remainder of the season. ” He spent ONE full season (2002) on PS and 2003 was released from PS after less than 1 month on it. 2004 – 2006 he played all season on ST. So I’m sorry, you’re just wrong about his PT.
    You seem to have completely ignored the post I was responding to that stated the opinion of Harrison just being another 6′ nothing LB that will flame out, which is just ridiculous to say seeing as how he is only getting better with every year, just as Ware has done. Hence the comparison.
    You seem to be getting very upset by people comparing Ware and Harrison (two of the best LBs in the league) and are assuming that people think he stinks. No one has even hinted that Ware isn’t good, he’s great, but for someone to insinuate that Harrison is a fluke LB is just, well, retarded.
    This article is about Tony Dungy’s opinion on Harrison, and I for one am honored by it. Dungy is a very respected man in the football world, and while his one opinion is not going to reflect everyone’s opinion, it’s still nice to know that someone like him respects what Harrison has done for his team. End of story.

  75. praveen says: Dec 18, 2008 10:24 PM

    As a Steelers fan, I too believe Harrison gets held a lot without getting any calls for it. Today, in the Indy vs JAX game, Freeney falls over the tackle and that gets a holding call on the poor LT. There were two holding calls on Steelers in the Ravens game that killed drives. Not one holding call on the guys blocking Harrison.
    Having said that, other than a couple of blatant holds oin Harrison that didn’t get called in the Balt game, Balt did a good job double teaming him.
    Ware is a damn good player. My fellow Steelers fans are overstating the difference in the all around abilities. Harrison is a DECENT LB in coverage. He is not that great in coverage. He is pretty good, but his expertise is rushing the passer and causing those fumbles. Those fumbles alone make Harrison my defensive player of the year.
    I cant stand Peyton Manning. But I think he should be the MVP. Without Manning, this Colts team loses 8 games or so.

  76. mrmagoo says: Dec 18, 2008 10:53 PM

    Vox and Bmore-
    Your teams play each other this week. You should have a warm up retard fight.

  77. Pea Tear Griffin says: Dec 19, 2008 8:54 AM

    As a Steeler fan, I can say after last nights Colts/Jags game that Peyton Manning is now the front runner for MVP. He manned up during that game and willed his team to the win (well that pick 6 helped too).

  78. Frank Burns says: Dec 19, 2008 2:54 PM

    DeMarcus Ware is the most overrated player in football.

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