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Eyebrow-Raising Cutler Report Gets Expunged

On Tuesday, Josina Anderson of FOX31 in Denver posted a lengthy blurb regarding the situation involving the Broncos and quarterback Jay Cutler.
After an extended introductory portion in which Anderson basically claims that she would have been the one to break the news last month of a possible deal that would have brought Matt Cassel to the Broncos and sent Cutler elsewhere if only Anderson’s source had been able to call her (we’ve learned over the years that no one really cares about why a scoop “almost” was obtained), Anderson got to the meat of her story.
And then, at some point between last night and Wednesday morning, the meat was removed.
The text that was removed from Anderson’s story appears below.  Several readers have confirmed that this language indeed appeared in the story, and the quote that we’re pasting below was taken from a cut-and-paste of the original story that as of this posting appears on a Jets Insider forum.  (It also appears at this Broncos forum.) 
The omitted language is newsworthy only because Anderson posted it, and then without explanation removed it.  In reprinting the language, we are not suggesting that the assertions Anderson made are accurate.  (In fact, Anderson added a disclaimer to that effect in her original story, explaining that “[t]he following is what was heard by my source in these trade whispers, not what FOX31 cites as definite facts about Cutler.”  Presumably, someone with a law degree concluded that this CYA-style language didn’t “C” enough of FOX31’s “A”.)
Here’s the text that has since been erased: 
“The source said there are concerns about Cutler’s consumption of alcohol, and ‘that he’s not that sharp.’
“‘That scared the crap out of McDaniels,’ the source said.”
Frankly, we’ve developed a fairly strong opinion that Cutler is “not that sharp,” especially if reports are true that he asked to be traded before the team tried to trade him, which reportedly offended him even though he had reportedly asked to be traded.  
Though we know nothing about whether and to what extent Cutler consumes alcohol, any consumption of alcohol by a Type 1 diabetes patient entails potential health risks.  So if that portion of the expunged report is accurate, it would bolster our conclusion that he’s “not that sharp.”  (Again, we aren’t reporting that he consumes any amount of alcohol — we’re only pointing out that someone else reported it with a disclaimer as to its accuracy, and then erased the report.)
Regardless, the news here is that a source who supposedly was in position to share with Anderson details about the possible trade of Cutler passed along these intriguing tidbits — and that the intriguing tidbits have since disappeared.
UPDATE:  Here’s the cached version of Anderson’s original story.  And here’s a photo from the 2006 Bartenders’ Martini Miracle Ball.  We’ll assume for now that he’s drinking a Pepsi.  And holding a Pepsi.


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68 Responses to “Eyebrow-Raising Cutler Report Gets Expunged”
  1. Devils Advocate says: Mar 25, 2009 9:01 AM

    oh joy !
    I can’t wait for Cutlers next sideline interview with Suzie Kolber!
    “oh Soozie – i wan wan wanna kiss you”

  2. RAVENMIKESC says: Mar 25, 2009 9:09 AM

    What? who cares as long as he post the yardage. Mcdaniels will be one and done.

  3. John says: Mar 25, 2009 9:14 AM

    As a Pats fan, this site should be called
    As a “journalist” you have a responsibility to report accurate stories when it comes to something like this. Rumor are ok for certain things but there’s a line in the sand and you just crossed it.

  4. Mike D says: Mar 25, 2009 9:14 AM

    Can’t believe I read another one of these Cutler-McDaniels conspiracy posts. Starting to realize that im “not that sharp” either.

  5. T Henrys B@stard Child says: Mar 25, 2009 9:18 AM

    What, this guy isn’t smart? He sure looks like it:

  6. dustin_chandler says: Mar 25, 2009 9:19 AM

    this story has lawsuit written all over it.

  7. JakeDSnake says: Mar 25, 2009 9:20 AM

    Here’s an intriguing tidbit or two:
    * It’s estimated that at any one time around 0.7% of the world’s population is drunk.
    * Half the world’s population of drunks is attributable to NFL ‘posses’.
    * The Three Wise Monkeys have names: Mizaru (See no evil), Mikazaru (Hear no evil), and Mazaru (Speak no evil).
    * If you punch the names Crennel, McDaniels and Weis into a software program to translate from English to Arabic and back to English, it will return the names Mizaru, Mikazaru, and Mazaru.
    * ‘Florio at profootballtalk’ spelled backwards is ‘Jim Ignatowski’

  8. VaBthang4 says: Mar 25, 2009 9:21 AM

    Reads like McDummy was trying to “C” his own “A” by asking a reporter (who he had previously neglected to give a scoop to) to float some BS for him, hoping to mask his incompetence/mismanagement by applying a thin coat of insider circumspection.
    Sounds like management at Foxwhatever sniffed out and pulled the plug on the charade.

  9. Pea Tear Griffin says: Mar 25, 2009 9:30 AM

    Vince Young just took his shirt off and Matt Leinart jumped in the hot tub hearing this news.

  10. sausage_mcgriddle says: Mar 25, 2009 9:38 AM

    John says:
    March 25th, 2009 at 9:14 am
    As a Pats fan, this site should be called
    As a “journalist” you have a responsibility to report accurate stories when it comes to something like this. Rumor are ok for certain things but there’s a line in the sand and you just crossed it.
    hmmm, a story you read in the “Rumor Mill” shouldn’t contain rumors. Got it.

  11. Rob0769 says: Mar 25, 2009 9:39 AM

    Well, if Cutler, as a diabetic, is consuming alcohol, then it is indisputable proof that he isn’t that smart. On the field there is plenty of evidence of that too. Cutler is this generation’s Daunte Culpepper. Neither did film work and neither had great on the field smarts.

  12. miketomlin says: Mar 25, 2009 9:40 AM

    Boy, I don’t think their could be a longer way to say “somebody said Cutler is rumored to have a drinking problem, and then erased it.”

  13. TheDPR says: Mar 25, 2009 9:41 AM

    Cutler *does* seem like a bit of a dope, and doesn’t look too bright, either, but you don’t get a Wonderlic score in the high 20s by accident. Then again, a lot of intelligent people have no common sense. I think that’s probably Jay’s problem. He’s smart enough to think he’s smart and not realize that in many other ways he’s also a moron.

  14. browns_4_life says: Mar 25, 2009 9:44 AM

    Why wouldn’t the Broncos want to have that little tidbit removed? I doubt having rumors of your diabetic “star QB” being an alocholic is going to do anything to increase his trade value.

  15. misterj says: Mar 25, 2009 9:48 AM

    Hey guys it’s Mike Florio here. Just wanted to let you know that Jay Cutler just ate Eggs and Bacon for breakfast. Oh, and Adrian Peterson took off his helmut. That bastard.

  16. Bob_Nelson says: Mar 25, 2009 9:55 AM

    Somebody is slinging mud on Cutler.
    Is the mud real or imaginary?
    This type of character assasination through inuendo and deletion is very evil.
    This really helps the situation doesn’t it!

  17. mike hunt says: Mar 25, 2009 9:58 AM

    Isn’t Vanderbilt a pretty prestigous academic school? I am pretty sure they do not let people in the door just because they are a good athlete, like basically every other school. (Which is why Notre Dame will never be great again because they actually recruit people that also know how to actually read and write, but I digress.) At any rate, I have a hard time believing Cutler is not sharp. Sensitive maybe, takes things too personal, etc etc, but I doubt he is dumb. Also scored extremely high on his Wonderlic, which is essentially an IQ test. So if he is dumb, what does that make guys like Vince Young? Retarded??

  18. PackAttack says: Mar 25, 2009 9:59 AM

    I remember when Ron Wolf traded a first rounder to the Falcons for a drunk hillbilly at the end of the bench. I’m not so sure lightening will strike twice in this case.

  19. John says: Mar 25, 2009 10:01 AM

    Perhaps you can’t read because I addressed rumors in my post. There’s a difference between rumors and slander, especially when the source has removed those statements. Keep perpetuating the lies, anything to generate hits.
    Again, I’m a Pats fan who dislikes the Broncos because they always have our number in the playoffs. As much as I like seeing the donkeys mishandling this situation there comes a point where Florio needs to shut his yap and realize that making a story based on withdrawn statements is unethical.

  20. john-o says: Mar 25, 2009 10:03 AM

    Surely there must be a way to work Jared Allen into this story?

  21. BroncosTX77 says: Mar 25, 2009 10:04 AM

    Greatest of all conspiracy theories atm @9:03am CDT is Official Broncos Forum is down. For maintenance presumably~

  22. hitdog042 says: Mar 25, 2009 10:09 AM

    Florio stated it was a rumor. This is a football blog, yes this is worthy to report here. He does not have to put his sources in here, you can either like it or hate it.
    And if there is any truth to it, this is somewhat of an interesting story considering his diabetes.
    If you follow players in the NFL, interesting stuff like this always is worthy of reporting. I remember when Steinbach was let go to Free Agency because the Bengals were concerned on his drinking.
    Nobody said anything to that other than the Bengals were stupid. yet, had he got busted drinking, the Bengals would be “stupid” again.
    So yeah, it’s worthy to report this.

  23. ScootyPuffJunior says: Mar 25, 2009 10:10 AM

    Garbage. I want that minute of my life back I just wasted reading this article and subsequent 10 seconds I spent writing this post.

  24. SaintsBucsPanthersSUKK says: Mar 25, 2009 10:11 AM

    Big Ben was “not that sharp” for not wearing a motorcycle helmet but he’s got a couple of rings.

  25. DKnows says: Mar 25, 2009 10:15 AM

    Personal experience with the party in question….real, “boot stealing” mud.

  26. MaineMan says: Mar 25, 2009 10:18 AM

    Based on his initial reaction to the trade BS, I began to suspect that Cutler is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. His escalating tantrum and inability/unwillingness to man-up and resolve the situation (which he could) merely confirms those suspicions.
    And those folks who feel that Cutler’s reaction/behavior is entirely justified and that McDaniels is totally wrong, a loser, will lead the Broncos to ruin, should be fired, etc. – well, I suspect they’re missing some “Cutlery” as well.
    Seriously. I can’t believe that no one has made that pun before this.

  27. db3300 says: Mar 25, 2009 10:19 AM

    “but you don’t get a Wonderlic score in the high 20s by accident.”
    Are you serious? This isn’t the SATs or entrance exam to Harvard Law School we’re talking about. The Wonderlic doesn’t ask the taker to answer anything more strenuous than to give the correct amount of change from a dollar bill on a 78 cent purchase.

  28. favrewillplay4ever says: Mar 25, 2009 10:20 AM

    for all we know, cutler might like to tip the bottle back a little too much. if the original report is true, i cannot blame mcdaniels for smashing it. as the other guy stated earlier, it would only hurt his trade value. i say strike while the iron is hot and we’re probably not going to see cutler have higher trade value. it’s not often a “franchise-type” quarterback is dangled on the trade block. mcdaniels is young, but he cannot believe in trading cutler if everything is ok. he wants to get rid of him before that contract really hurts and j.c. turns into another koren robinson.
    i am not trying to knock cutler in this at all either. looking back at the other drunken hillbilly that got traded in 92, it appears that it was the best situation he could have walked into. he got away from the drama in atlanta. keep your head up jay, if you really are motivated to be one of the best, this spite you are getting for mcd and bowlen will only help you down the road if you focus it correctly.
    my advice mr cutler, FIRE BUS COOK. and then become really good buds with favre. he will teach you how to control that spite and anger. at least until you are nearing retirement.

  29. inmymind says: Mar 25, 2009 10:22 AM

    Well lots of players consume alcohol so that is way to general of a statement to cause concern. Being that he is 25 and feels invincible, drinking even with diabetes does not correlate to not being smart. Maybe he should talk with Wolford Brimley.
    Intelligence in football is way way over-rated. Emmit Smith is a shining example of this fact.

  30. Tennessee_Tyrant says: Mar 25, 2009 10:22 AM

    wow is this broad as bright as a busted lightbulb ? Jay had one incident at Vanderbilt where he was drinking , being that it was a was a frat party , it was easily understandable , but Coach Johnson had to do some PR for his sophmore year , since , Jay has gotten a bum wrap . This whole ego thing , is the same as your boss saying you are being replaced then saying dont worry about it , I would be wanting to find another job myself . . . He is actually a very knowledgable individual , and the assumption that a guy that gets into a school where the GPA requirement is 3.6 or above and passed without a hitch is ” not that sharp ” makes me wonder if you were looking in the mirror while you were typing . Given Jay is being a bit over hyped right now , but what do you expect when the good football players with a mouth overshadow the better ones who show up to play … In short , Jay is a very bright fellow … Mike Florio … I’m still waiting for YOU to fix your ” ed Hoculi ” mistake – its HocHuli

  31. Jon Snow says: Mar 25, 2009 10:26 AM

    The Broncos forum is currently expunging all threads and posts that have anything to do with Cutler, McDaniels, Bowlen, & Bus Cook. Soon none of those people will exist, and the board will revert back to the Champ-Portis trade debate – the only important issue of this new day (other than who’s going to bring the beer, sunglasses & razors, of course).

  32. Graham Baird says: Mar 25, 2009 10:28 AM

    Broncos worried about Cutler’s consumption of alcohol…huh?
    Show me one NFL QB who doesn’t get pickled after a game. Show me one.
    Elway was a legendary party guy. This is such a non-story and it sounds like little Josh McDaniels trying to float more garbage to the media in an effort to turn public opinion against Cutler. Poor McDaniels is in way over his head.

  33. EShine says: Mar 25, 2009 10:34 AM

    I’m shocked that someone actually spent the time to read through that poor excuse for writing to find the tidbit about Cutler being dumb and drunk. Even more amazing is that they liked it so much that they read it again to learn that the info had been removed.

  34. Priest says: Mar 25, 2009 10:35 AM

    Cutler went to high school at Heritage Hills. I went to high school in the same football conference. There’s not a whole lot to do on the weekends when you go to high school in that rural area where we grew up. I don’t know for sure because I didn’t go to his school, but we’re from the same area. Most high school kids around here drink just about every weekend. Wouldn’t surprise me if Cutler was the same way, because that’s just how it is around that area.
    And even though he went to Vanderbilt, there’s still a lot of partying at Vanderbilt. It’s college.
    I don’t necessarily think it means he is an alcoholic, probably just enjoys a drink. Lots of people do.

  35. Kevin from Philly says: Mar 25, 2009 10:47 AM

    Clearly a case of mistaken identity: McDaniels saw a Kid Rock video and took him for Cutler.
    Jakedsnake – stick to the “Henne” Youngman material.

  36. hrmlss says: Mar 25, 2009 10:48 AM

    Hmmmm, a “rumored” drunken southern boy heading to the Jet’s maybe?
    Joe Namath
    Brett Favre
    any others I missed, don’t follow the Jet’s much?

  37. gbpack1967 says: Mar 25, 2009 10:49 AM

    Is it me or does Cutler not look like the motorcycle cop in Dumb and Dumber that drinks the piss in the bottle?

  38. Punch Rockgroin says: Mar 25, 2009 10:50 AM

    Re: Cutler a dope
    The rest of the AFC West

  39. DanFoutsBeard says: Mar 25, 2009 10:51 AM

    Problems with alcohol and not being sharp are very believable. He does alway look either drunk or retarded.

  40. DC_Bengals_Fan says: Mar 25, 2009 10:53 AM

    “Boy, I don’t think their could be a longer way to say “somebody said Cutler is rumored to have a drinking problem, and then erased it.” ”
    Do bear in mind the site is run by a lawyer. If you ever need a 10-word declarative sentence stretched to 50,000 words, a lawyer’s your man.
    In fairness, though, Florio elected to post something that Fox’s legal eagles demanded to be taken down, so there’s a fair amount of legal tapdancing to be done.

  41. rasalas says: Mar 25, 2009 10:54 AM

    It was removed because it was libelous. It doesn’t matter if that’s what “the source” said; the reporting agency also is subject to legal ramifications. Cutler could sue for defamation. He actually still can, even though the report was taken down. PFT has actually helped his case by reposting the information.

  42. jaxdolfan says: Mar 25, 2009 10:59 AM

    Cutler has a drinking problem and that is not acceptable?
    Maybe the Donkeys will try to get Brian Griese back.

  43. bwnyc says: Mar 25, 2009 11:01 AM

    Funny because McDaniels doesn’t seem to be too smart either.

  44. TitansFanatic says: Mar 25, 2009 11:01 AM

    I see Cutler out at the bars all the time in Nashville, weeknights, weekends, Cutlers out boozing it up.

  45. warpaint88 says: Mar 25, 2009 11:03 AM

    “Isn’t Vanderbilt a pretty prestigous academic school? I am pretty sure they do not let people in the door just because they are a good athlete, like basically every other school. (Which is why Notre Dame will never be great again because they actually recruit people that also know how to actually read and write, but I digress.) At any rate, I have a hard time believing Cutler is not sharp. Sensitive maybe, takes things too personal, etc etc, but I doubt he is dumb. Also scored extremely high on his Wonderlic, which is essentially an IQ test. So if he is dumb, what does that make guys like Vince Young? Retarded??”
    Well, Larry Johnson went to Penn State, which is a pretty damn good school. So…
    Additionally, Vince Young went to Texas. The same University of Texas that George Bush couldn’t get into because of his grades; however, he then proceeded to attend Yale and Harvard on Daddy’s money.
    Not saying Cutler is dumb, just saying good schools do let people in for reasons other than academic excellence.

  46. dashoe says: Mar 25, 2009 11:27 AM

    This non-story might have more legs if there was a pic of Cutler with a bottle of booze and a couple of co-eds.

  47. MattR says: Mar 25, 2009 11:35 AM

    Umm, there is no reason that someone who has their diabetes under control cannot drink alcohol. From the web page you linked to: “The American Diabetes Association suggests that you have no more than two drinks a day if you are a man and no more than one drink a day if you are a woman. This recommendation is the same for people without diabetes.”

  48. Loveland310 says: Mar 25, 2009 11:53 AM

    If this picture of Cutler drinking was from 2006, AND CUTLER WAS DIAGNOSED WITH DIABETES IN 2008, wouldn’t the picture be a moot point?? So Cutler drank when he was PRESUMED Healthy in 2006–This isn’t evidence of drinking post-diagnosis of Diabetes

  49. Darth Ringo says: Mar 25, 2009 12:32 PM

    A defense against libel & slander is… the truth.
    If it’s true that Cutler has enough of a drinking problem the coach/team looked into trading him, suing them would only bring those facts into the open. I doubt even Bus Cook wants that to happen.

  50. Jweingar says: Mar 25, 2009 12:39 PM

    Guess I’ll add Cutler to the soap box list too. Guess its against Florio’s rules for a college student to have some alcohol. Are you a puritan or something Florio? You’re going all Rick Reilly on us. Stick with the news and leave the opinions to the talking heads.

  51. RonO says: Mar 25, 2009 12:55 PM

    But who’s Frank??

  52. g0ose says: Mar 25, 2009 1:09 PM

    Hm. The 2006 Bartenders Miracle Ball. Tell me, when did Cutler find out he was diabetic. Ohhh that’s right, 2008 ( ). Really, Florio, does Rupert Murdoch own your website and control its content? Because you have some very similar tactics.

  53. dashoe says: Mar 25, 2009 1:13 PM

    That chick has spectacular boobs.

  54. DKnows says: Mar 25, 2009 1:43 PM

    I was at the Ball that night, and it has nothing to do with Diabetes here…J.C. attacks liquor the way Wimpy does burgers (obscure 1940’s animation reference…really? Ok…) and really has an interesting approach to his “after hours lifestyle. He was leaving on a plane for Oakland the next morning and had NO concern whatsoever as to what affect such an evening might have on his prep.
    I had him autograph my security credentials…and it took him almost 1 full minute, brow furrowed, concentrating like he was defusing a bomb. Go ahead, do a sample signature everyone…how long’d it take you. Stoners….I bet you had it done within 10 seconds after a 6 foot-er!
    He is “book smart”…but has little, to no “real world sense”.

  55. marionthebarbarian says: Mar 25, 2009 1:59 PM

    The picture was taken in 2006. Cutler barely found out he had diabetes AFTER the 2007 season when he lost something like 20lbs over the course of the season. Come on florio, you’re better than this.

  56. dashoe says: Mar 25, 2009 2:58 PM

    marionthebarbarian says:
    March 25th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
    Come on florio, you’re better than this.
    No he isn’t.

  57. 4shortofa100 says: Mar 25, 2009 3:14 PM

    That said, Josina Anderson’s bit reads like it was written by a 1st year J-School student. Just awful.

  58. twodogs says: Mar 25, 2009 4:03 PM

    What sleaze…Nazi

  59. RamBalls says: Mar 25, 2009 4:18 PM

    If I am recollecting correctly, Cutler wasn’t diagnosed with type 1 diabetes until end of 2007 early 2008 and the picture you showed was 2006. That is a little unfair. Do some research first.

  60. TheFan says: Mar 25, 2009 4:39 PM

    This article is hilarious. Whether or not Cutler is “sharp” is so funny considering that the article states how drinking by a diabetic entails potential health risks and then they show a photo of him from 2006 drinking. THE GUY DIDN’T EVEN KNOW THAT HE WAS DIABETIC IN 2006!!!!! Now who doesn’t look so “sharp”? Do editors even exsist any more?

  61. nuggy says: Mar 25, 2009 4:52 PM

    This looks like one of those Bacholarette/Divorced MILF parties where they auction off a bunch of guys for charity or the like….
    Did you go thru those pictures…..Those women have to pay for it….
    Either that or there is not a good lookin woman in Colorado….
    Jay Cutler is a MILF Biatch….Now that is funny!
    The life of an NFL quarterback!

  62. the t-dog says: Mar 25, 2009 5:53 PM

    I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again, the guy writing this blog is an idiot:
    First off, Cutler was diagnosed with diabetes in 2008. The picture he shows of Cutler drinking, in an effort to prove he’s “not smart” or not responsible, was taken in 2006.
    Also, if you visit the link he posted to prove that alcohol consumption is dangerous for diabetics, it takes you to the American Diabetes Association’s website which states:
    “The American Diabetes Association suggests that you have no more than two drinks a day if you are a man and no more than one drink a day if you are a woman. This recommendation is the same for people without diabetes.”
    As far as Cutler’s intelligence, I know he scored above average on the Wonderlic test, for what that’s worth. Also, I don’t think anyone can be a successful QB in the NFL and be an idiot. Ever seen a playbook, that thing is thicker than my collection of Playboys.

  63. fcspikeit says: Mar 25, 2009 6:23 PM

    That photo was from 2006. It was taken before he was diagnosed with diabetes…
    Isn’t this going to far? Why would you try to and give this story legs by showing that old photo? Don’t you think it is going to far? Since being diagnosed with diabetes Cutler has gone out of his way to be a role model for kids with diabetes.. Now you want to further this rumor he is a drunk?
    Come on guys… You are better then that.

  64. RuloMeck says: Mar 25, 2009 6:26 PM

    A “story” based on a anon source, that was removed.
    Slooooooooooow news day.
    And I always really like it when people pretend that they know what an athlete all about, because they saw them in a bar or may have gotten their autograph that one time. Really amazing stuff.

  65. broncos4life16 says: Mar 25, 2009 7:01 PM

    really?! theres no dui’s or drunken beligerent rampages, or any such evidence to portay a drinking problem, and besides that picture was taken in 06 BEFORE Cutler knew he had diabetes, people need to STFU and leave that dude alone, if he wants to drink, let him drink, hes a grown man and it hasnt hurt his on field play thus far. Total highschool stuff is what this report “OMG i heard that she said the he said that someone said that Jay, is like sooo an alcoholic” OMG

  66. squ1sh says: Mar 25, 2009 8:26 PM

    Hey Mike –
    Take down your stupid picture of Cutler drinking.
    It’s from 2006 BEFORE he realized he had diabetes.
    But it does add a nice libelous touch to the end of the article.
    Can I post a picture of you smoking pot in college and call you a drug addict unworthy of running a blog?

  67. BroncoinCali says: Mar 25, 2009 11:30 PM

    Florio, you snarky genius. You’ve invented your very own time machine for the sake of a b-minus level joke. The picture you posted of Cutler obviously having a drink at the “2006 Bartenders Martini Miracle Ball” which serves to further your suggestion that Jay Cutler must be pretty stupid to drink while he’s diabetic loses a little bit of it’s logic when he DIDN’T LEARN HE WAS DIABETIC UNTIL 2008! That’s at least a year and a half after this picture was taken. Use a little common sense before you post something as poorly thought out as this was. Oh, and seriously, hire some real writers to punch up your stories. Your writing is pedestrian.

  68. gerrold9 says: Mar 28, 2009 9:56 AM

    if a 2006 photo taken of him holding a glass is the basis for trashing Cutler with innuendo, it might also be interesting to note he was not diagnosed with diabetes until April 2008, not that facts matter in a two-bit slimerag website like this. The sooner cutler gets away from these idiots at Denver, the better, or just tune them out, I guess.

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