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A Closer Look At The Cutler Trade

Now that several days have passed since the Broncos shipped quarterback Jay Cutler to the Bears, lets take a closer look at what went down, and why.
Both the Bears and the Broncos have reason to be optimistic.  The Bears got the first potential franchise quarterback they’ve had since Sid Luckman.  And to get the guy they only had to give up a couple of first-round picks and a third-round pick — selections that haven’t exactly yielded a bountiful harvest during the Jerry Angelo era in Chicago.
The Broncos arguably got a lot more than they would have received if Cutler had been shipped to the Lions or the Buccaneers and Matt Cassel had come to Denver.
Cassel played for a year, in a passing game featuring a veteran offensive line and Randy Moss and Wes Welker.  Though he might do well on a new team, he’s not nearly as established as Cutler.
Speaking of Cassel, the booty that the Bears sent to Denver for Cutler makes the second-round pick that the Pats got for Cassel seem even more glaring, at first blush.  Though Cassel is not Cutler, the gap between them isn’t equivalent to the gulf between a second round pick and two ones and a three.
But one fact that has routinely been overlooked in connection with the Cassel trade is that the Patriots had to move quickly to clear Cassel and his $14.65 million franchise player cap number off the books.
Then there’s linebacker Mike Vrabel, who ended up going to Kansas City with Cassel.  He was due to receive a $1 million roster bonus on March 1.
So the Cassel deal had to go down.  The Pats already had lost receiver Jabar Gaffney and long snapper Lonie Paxton to Denver in only one day of free agency.  New England needed to dump the Cassel and Vrabel cap room so that the team could then keep current players and/or pursue new additions.
Broncos coach Josh McDaniels, who was a member of the coaching staff in New England until the middle of January, knew or should have known that the Pats needed to move Cassel quickly.  But yet the Broncos waited too long to make their move.
And as to the notion that the Broncos merely answered the phone when the Patriots called offering Cassel, we know enough about what really went down to know that the discussions were far more extensive, both between the Broncos and the Patriots — and between the Broncos and Cassel.
As we understand it, the Broncos were aggressively pursuing Cassel, and then when it didn’t happen they tried to make it look like they merely responded to an inquiry that came to them unsolicited.
It went much farther than that, and if the Broncos had gotten their act in gear more quickly, Cassel would be a Bronco, Cutler would be a Buccaneer or a Lion, and the Pats would have an extra first-round pick instead of simply an extra second-round selection.

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  1. Abe Froeman says: Apr 7, 2009 10:25 PM

    “Broncos coach Josh McDaniels, who was a member of the coaching staff in New England until the middle of January, knew or should have known that the Pats needed to move Cassel quickly. But yet the Broncos waited too long to make their move.”
    Isn’t it entirely possible that the reason he waited too long to make the move was because he wasn’t initially interested, and only became interested after prodding?
    I’m just saying that you are assuming motive, when other logical alternative motives/reasons exist.

  2. TMI says: Apr 7, 2009 10:31 PM

    With the $$ required to sign a 1st rd pick, & the way the Pats seem to always do well drafting (other than Tony Baroni), maybe they didn’t want another 1st rounder. Also, both of the contenders for Cassel worked for the Pats last year, so they knew his value. Hell, even Matt Schaub was traded for TWO 2nd rd picks.
    The Bears have really improved their team. When was the last time a Chicaca QB threw for 25 TD passes in a season? Forget the INTs. 25 passing TD potential is enough to make them the best team in their division.
    I don’t see Denver trading up, or even taking a 1st rd QB at all. They will trade down from 12 or 18 & pick up a solid 2nd tier QB (Pat White?) in the 2nd round.

  3. garyofferdahl says: Apr 7, 2009 10:34 PM

    The Broncos were too busy signing 15 backups…

  4. MannyNH says: Apr 7, 2009 10:34 PM

    thanks florio. now make better sense of the Winslow deal for me..

  5. brian91388 says: Apr 7, 2009 10:37 PM

    The bigger difference is whatever team traded for Cassel needed the $14.6 million on the cap for Cassel as soon as they got him. The Patriots called all around the league and got what they could, all this could of would of should of talk needs to end. They got the 34th pick, which could possibly get them the same player the 12th pick could, after the top 10 the next 25-30 guys are rated closely. The Bears overpaid for Cutler, the Chiefs got a fair deal with Cassel.

  6. dwatkins says: Apr 7, 2009 10:40 PM

    McDaniels better hope Cassel doesnt turn out to be a Pro Bowler. If he does, The Broncos lose out on 2 pro bowl Qbs for 2 first rounders. Ouch

  7. Chiggs says: Apr 7, 2009 10:44 PM

    In regards to Jay Cutler, why do people throw around “Pro Bowl” like it means anything? Does a real Pro Bowl QB throw 4 INT’s and 2 TD’s down the stretch…in the three most important games of the season?! For Christ’s sake, he couldn’t beat Buffalo at home, and because of that, Denver completed nothing short of an historic collapse.
    Soon, Bears fans will get to know Jay Cutler and his disappearing act. And you can take that to the bank. The guy no-shows in crucial games.
    2007: B-B-BUT IT WAS THE DIABETES!
    2008: B-B-BUT IT WAS THE DEFENSE!
    2009: ???????????????????????????

  8. Patsfanin Philly says: Apr 7, 2009 10:44 PM

    >>>>Though Cassel is not Cutler, the gap between them isn’t equivalent to the gulf between a second round pick and two ones and a three.<<<<
    It is when Cassel is playing under the franchise tag for $14 million and Cutler is signed for three more years at reasonable money. Once they franchised Cassel, the Pats needed to clear cap space to sign free agents. Had they waited they might have lost out on Bodden, Springs et al. Still they took a 7th round pick and swapped it for the 34th pick in the draft.

  9. babyvegas says: Apr 7, 2009 10:49 PM

    I don’t think the Broncos take a QB this year at all. McDaniels will go with Orton/Simms for a year to rebuild the defense. Then, either he’ll take a QB in the draft next year, or if Cassel flops in KC and is released (notice that KC hasn’t signed him to an extension yet, waiting to see if he’s a one-year wonder), he’ll take his favorite son off the waiver wire.

  10. Kulp says: Apr 7, 2009 10:50 PM

    “Though Cassel is not Cutler, the gap between them isn’t equivalent to the gulf between a second round pick and two ones and a three.”
    It’s not? Let’s see… the former 11th overall pick in the draft, or a guy who nobody had ever heard and hadn’t even taken a snap since high school until he lucked into starting on the best franchise in pro football.
    The Broncos get a bonus point for not winding up with the mirage that is Matt Cassel.

  11. DaBears says: Apr 7, 2009 10:51 PM

    Erik Kramer threw for 29 touchdowns in 1995, under current Bears offensive coordinator Ron Turner. As a Bear fan I would love 25 td’s from Cutler this year, but I highly doubt it. 20 would suffice if he can keep his interception number down. His presence alone will open up lanes for Matt Forte, which in turn, will help the defense.

  12. Mike Beckwith says: Apr 7, 2009 10:51 PM

    “…and if the Broncos had gotten their act in gear more quickly, Cassel would be a Bronco, Cutler would be a Buccaneer or a Lion, and the Pats would have an extra first-round pick…”
    …and the Browns would still be wondering why the rest of the league hasn’t offered a decent draft pick for either Quinn or Anderson.

  13. Manofsteel says: Apr 7, 2009 10:58 PM

    The Josh Mcdaniels checklist:
    1. Bill Belicheck playbook
    2. As many Patriots as possible
    3. Copy of spygate tapes
    4. Sign Matt Cassell
    5. Trade Cutler

  14. GlennHauser says: Apr 7, 2009 10:58 PM

    As a Broncos fan, I couldn’t ask for more once it became clear Denver needed to send that whiny bitch packing. Who knew Rivers was right?

  15. 11frank11 says: Apr 7, 2009 11:07 PM

    I love when people make a big deal about Cutlers 18 picks. 618 attempts and 18 picks? Pretty damn good ratio.

  16. GoodByeSham says: Apr 7, 2009 11:12 PM

    Ahhhh, nothing to see here……please move on…..

  17. howiehandles68 says: Apr 7, 2009 11:14 PM

    I believe the Broncos will go D/D in the first, or possibly take Knowshon Moreno and a D. They’ll address the QB in the third, with possibly a guy like Brett Romar (sp?). If McDaniels is looking for a system guy, he could do worse than Orton, at least for a year or two until he finds “his guy”.
    Also, Cutler isn’t entirely to blame for the Bronco’s collapse. The D was awful, and they didn’t have a decent running game, thats why I see they picking up Moreno if he’s there. Either way, the Bears gave up a bit much, but if it gets you what you want, then its worth it. Especially if Cutler plays how they expect him to. Angelo can’t pick in the first round for crap anyways, so the picks are pretty much useless to the Bears.

  18. pirate freedom says: Apr 7, 2009 11:16 PM

    Chiggs says:
    “In regards to Jay Cutler, why do people throw around “Pro Bowl” like it means anything? Does a real Pro Bowl QB throw 4 INT’s and 2 TD’s down the stretch…in the three most important games of the season?! For Christ’s sake, he couldn’t beat Buffalo at home, and because of that, Denver completed ”
    I used to think Peyton was a choker for years, now I think football is a small sample size sport.
    My biggest beef with Cutler is he gets a lot more yards than points, that sounds like a guy who can’t get it done when the other team isn’t defending 40+ yards and sees too many turnovers.

  19. datboy21 says: Apr 7, 2009 11:25 PM

    Whats up with all thes QBs named Matthew?
    I now its off-topic but…. there is:
    Matt Ryan
    Matt cassel
    Matthew Stafford
    Matt Hasselback
    Matt Leinart
    Matt Flynn
    Matt Gutierrez
    Matt Moore
    I mean really!

  20. Pastabelly says: Apr 7, 2009 11:27 PM

    agree with Chiggs – pro bowl quarterbacks are usually the ones who show up after the players chosen for the game come up with phantom injuries. 21 TDs and 18 picks shouldn’t get anyone in a pro bowl.

  21. BIG D O says: Apr 7, 2009 11:31 PM

    yeah, Mcdaniels really screwed the pooch on that Cassell deal….Can’t knock him for tryin to bring in the guy he knew could run his system though….I’m happy with my team’s (Broncos son!!) gains….it’s a good year to grab a Linebacker, which is somethin we need and perhaps we can get a D tackle too….maybe both of those picks are going towards us getting Sanchez in the draft too….I don’t know, I do know that Mcdaniels wanted to destroy and rebuild and that’s exactly what he’s done….I like that he went out and got B. Dawkins, Andra Davis, Renaldo Hill and cut loose a lot of our dead weight on both sides of the ball…

  22. r5156c says: Apr 7, 2009 11:31 PM

    It makes sense for Mcdaniels to address the defense as priority. Orton is a good quarterback who just needs a chance. I’m a Bears fan and although I liked getting Cutler, I was saddened to give up Orton. Orton is the ultimate leader and will only get better. You don’t have to have a massive arm, just be a smart player and Orton is that. Denver fans need to give him a chance and with a good defense, he will prosper. If Denver starts Simms over Orton them Mcdaniels is a complete idiot.

  23. PKtheDJ says: Apr 7, 2009 11:36 PM

    I’d rather have Cutler than Cassell…
    People keep bringing up that Cutler “choked down the stretch”, “4 INT’s and 2 TD’s”…
    Why is nobody bringing up the fact that Cassell couldn’t get a 16-0 team to the playoffs? Before the Brady injury, who do you think was the most favored team to make it to the playoffs was… I haven’t seen the stat or the odds, but I’d almost put all my money on the Pats…

  24. Trey says: Apr 7, 2009 11:48 PM

    Basically, the Broncos are liars according to Florio. What proof does he have? He doesn’t just conjecture.

  25. cobrakai says: Apr 7, 2009 11:48 PM

    The broncos did well firing Shany and hiring that frat douche. Seems like a wise move with all the success Mangini, Romeo Crennel, Weis have enjoyed oh wait they all suck and the mentor is cheating tit-muffin.

  26. smashmouth says: Apr 7, 2009 11:49 PM

    Did anyone but me watch the probowl? Cutler was horrible. Does anyone but me remember the Saints and Chargers games? Denver was not an 8-8 team last year, must be Bowlen realized this to fire Shanahan. They were a 6-10 team at best. Cutler has huge potential but still needs years to mature. Maybe McDaniels saw this (but how much credit to give him for being smart at this point of time is still to be scene.)He needs to win now in order to keep his job, he wasn’t going to do it with Cutler – maybe 2 or 3 years. Does Cutler know how to win? We will find out in Chicago. He has to win now, no more excuses if he wants his big payday.

  27. hujman says: Apr 7, 2009 11:55 PM

    Cutler is still young. When you have a defense as bad as the Broncos was, you will have to try to force things. His record in games that the D held under 21 points is like 20-1. I dont blame those INT’s all on him.

  28. go_bucs says: Apr 7, 2009 11:55 PM

    yeah, where would bob kraft come up with a million dollars to give mike vrabel.

  29. Lost says: Apr 7, 2009 11:55 PM

    Denver traded for QB.
    Bear traded for a new offense.

  30. dmitchell624 says: Apr 8, 2009 12:20 AM

    Sorry Mike, no facts here, move along

  31. jimicos says: Apr 8, 2009 12:24 AM

    TMI says:
    April 7th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
    The Bears have really improved their team. When was the last time a Chicaca QB threw for 25 TD passes in a season? Forget the INTs. 25 passing TD potential is enough to make them the best team in their division.
    —————————
    It’s not one QB, but the three-headed monster of Shane Matthews, Cade McNown and Jim Miller passed for 25 TDs and 22 INTs back in 1999.
    As far as Chicago is concerned, I’d expect to see a dropoff in Cutler’s production similar to the dropoff in Muhsin Muhammad’s production when he went there. Brandon Marshall + Eddie Royal > Devin Hester + Rashied Davis. In fact, Brandon Marshall + a doorstop > Devin Hester + Rashied Davis + Brandon Lloyd.
    Chicago needs receivers. And possibly some imagination on offense. Is Cutler an upgrade over Orton? Yes. Is he two 1sts and a 3rd better than Orton? Nope.
    IF (big if) Orton starts 16 games with Denver and Cutler starts 16 with Chicago, I would not be shocked to see Orton’s passing yardage come very close to Cutler’s next year. I expect Cutler’s production to decrease and Orton’s to increase next year.

  32. screamingidiot says: Apr 8, 2009 12:42 AM

    The more that Bronco fans hate on Cutler the more I think he will be a good QB.
    If he wasn’t that good Denver fans would just shrug and say whatever thanks for the picks…
    Lot of Bitter Bronco fans and for good reason. Your QB hunt has just begun. We all know what a long trip that can be. Good luck!
    Chicago got a gift.

  33. The Breeze says: Apr 8, 2009 12:49 AM

    If you go to the coldhardfootballfacts site, there is a very interesting perspective in Denver’s offensive struggles with Cutler as QB.

  34. blackjeremiah says: Apr 8, 2009 12:52 AM

    Cutler is severely overrated. He’s got no Brandon Marshall in Chicago, and throwing to…who the hell are their receivers again? Hester (if he doesn’t return to PR/KR), Brandon Lloyd (maybe–still a free agent), and two mediocre tight ends?…is going to be a rude awakening. That’s when wittwe Cutwer is going to pitch an epic fit.

  35. Football is life says: Apr 8, 2009 12:55 AM

    The lack of pass rush and lack of coverage is why the pats missed the playoffs, not because of Cassel. Also, it will be intresting to see how Orton does with some weapons and how Cuttler does with none. We will see how the season unfolds but it seems that the Bears gave up way way way too much. But I could be wrong.

  36. t2tone says: Apr 8, 2009 12:56 AM

    Take a look at what the Bears gave up for Cutler and what the Chiefs gave up for Cassell. If I was were the Pats…I would have traded Cassell to the Broncos for Cutler straight up and then would have traded Cutler to the Bears or someone else. Cutler had more trade value and they could of used that to their advantage. you might say the Pats wouldn’t have gotten what the Broncos got for Cutler because everybody would know that they had to trade him , but everybody knew the Broncos had to trade him. Just something to think about.

  37. tuscani says: Apr 8, 2009 1:38 AM

    PKtheDJ,
    Going 11-5 will almost always get you into the playoffs. The cards didn’t fall in their favor for 08′ though. Plus you cannot compare the 07 team to the 08 team, they may share many common players but they were different teams, with some different coaches, with different identities, especially considering Brady was a huge part of the 07 team. Ultimately it was the Defense that cost them IMO. For a guy that hadn’t started since high school, I think Cassel did great. I cannot remember all the times he made excellent decisions whether it was rolling out and throwing a PERFECT spiral to Moss in the endzone in the overtime loss to NYJ, completing crucial passes in god awful conditions in Buffalo where they had to manually straighten the goal posts due to the wind or scrambling for a first down on 3rd or 4th down.

  38. Greig says: Apr 8, 2009 1:57 AM

    Nice of you to “forget” Orton in your breakdown of the trade Florio.
    You know, the QB that actually has a winning record.

  39. jshawaii says: Apr 8, 2009 2:35 AM

    Florio Says: ….Both the Bears and the Broncos have reason to be optimistic. The Bears got the first potential franchise quarterback they’ve had since Sid Luckman.
    Uhhh, I remember one Jim McMahon that led The Bears to a Super Bowl and he was pretty damn good for a few years. I think he qualified under “potential” —
    Maybe Florio too busy being a lawyer to notice!
    js

  40. Shaun Lowrie says: Apr 8, 2009 4:37 AM

    This article is a closer look at the Cassel trade.

  41. Walrus says: Apr 8, 2009 6:16 AM

    What have the Pats done with the cap space?

  42. Bearz fan says: Apr 8, 2009 6:40 AM

    The Chicago Bears have now changed their starting quarterback 42 times since 1992, and the homer Chicago media is all aflutter with blind Cutler love. Please don’t tell them that their shiny new supermodel trophy wife has warts and a mental problem. It’s just a matter of time before the inevitable late season choke and subsequent contract holdout until the bloom falls off the rose and they come to their senses which should happen about the same time the Cubs get swept out of the playoffs again.

  43. schweinehund says: Apr 8, 2009 7:15 AM

    @r5156c
    “Orton is the ultimate leader…”
    You’re right, and Cutler was not in Denver. He’d pout whenever a WR ran the wrong route, dropped a ball, or didn’t adjust to the blitz. He hung his defense out to dry in an interview. Yeah, they sucked, but you just don’t do that in the NFL. Queried about Cutler’s value in the locker room, defensive leader, Champ Bailey, sheepishly said that Cutler’s a “different type of player.” The final example is Cutler’s father (HIS FATHER!!!) dropped off the playbook at Dove Valley after the trade. For Cutler to have a proxy do this task instead of facing the folks who orchestrated his leaving is cowardice. Way to cowboy-up! Don’t let the door hit your dad’s ass on your way out!
    GO BRONCOS

  44. Marima says: Apr 8, 2009 7:37 AM

    You know enough to know that more went on than you know… hmmm. I don’t know…

  45. chcgokoala says: Apr 8, 2009 7:38 AM

    Seeing how Detroit and St Louis are even entertaining the idea of not picking anybody in the first round makes me feel better about that trade.

  46. TheDPR says: Apr 8, 2009 7:38 AM

    >>>>
    The Bears overpaid for Cutler, the Chiefs got a fair deal with Cassel.
    >>>>
    Exactly.
    If Florio had a source for his “I know this happened” speculations he’d at least mention it, right? I mean, even if he didn’t name a source, he’d mention that he’s not just talking out of his butt, right?
    Cutler’s a jerk and the Broncos did the only thing they could. And they made out like bandits in the process. The Patriots got a decent pick for a career backup. And the Bears got a malcontented choker with a big arm and a drinking problem.

  47. dmitchell624 says: Apr 8, 2009 7:41 AM

    Mike: Newsflash! Get News! Cutler is gone, we have all moved on.

  48. CKL says: Apr 8, 2009 7:55 AM

    TMI says:
    April 7th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
    The Bears have really improved their team. When was the last time a Chicaca QB threw for 25 TD passes in a season? Forget the INTs. 25 passing TD potential is enough to make them the best team in their division.
    __________________________________________________
    If you take Orton’s stats from last year and project them using the amount of attempts Cutler had in Denver, but Orton’s YPA, td & int %, he would have thrown 24 tds and 16 INTS which is a slightly better td to int ratio than Cutler had (25 to 18) and with a far FAR inferior cast of skill players around him. I don’t think Denver is suffering a dropoff in actual QB play. A big arm and athleticism blind a lot of people into thinking someone is a good QUARTERBACK. Those two things don’t correlate most of the time. Orton is what Mc Daniels wants in a QB (coachable, efficient, doesn’t take risks, works hard, good & respected teammate, handles the press well) Cutler is far from it (risk taker, inefficient, prone to errors in critical times, hard headed, doesn’t know how to handle the media). We’ll see how great Cutler does with the “talent” Orton had around him on offense in Chi and about 50% of the OL play. Newsflash: Orton wasn’t playing with that great of a defense himself last year.

  49. mikeyhigs says: Apr 8, 2009 8:25 AM

    What baffles me about the Broncos is that Mike Shanahan failed mostly because he was a good coach, but a horrible GM. I thought Pat Bowlen realized this and was going to go to a traditional GM with a head coach who just coaches. It seems like McDaniels wields a lot of power while his lackey Xanders nods “Yes, sir”

  50. TCLARK says: Apr 8, 2009 8:43 AM

    Walrus says:
    What have the Pats done with the cap space?
    Signed FA’s
    Fred Taylor, Shawn Springs, Leigh Boddin, Tully Banta Cain, Joey Gallaway, Al Johnson and Chris Baker.
    Resigned
    James Sanders, Mike Wright, and Tank Williams.
    Also traded for Greg Lewis.
    So I guess you could say the Pats traded Cassel for the #34 pick int he draft and the free agents signed.

  51. jimicos says: Apr 8, 2009 10:10 AM

    TCLARK says:
    April 8th, 2009 at 8:43 am
    Walrus says:
    What have the Pats done with the cap space?
    Signed FA’s
    Fred Taylor, Shawn Springs, Leigh Boddin, Tully Banta Cain, Joey Gallaway, Al Johnson and Chris Baker.
    Resigned
    James Sanders, Mike Wright, and Tank Williams.
    Also traded for Greg Lewis.
    So I guess you could say the Pats traded Cassel for the #34 pick int he draft and the free agents signed.
    ——————————-
    That’s mostly accurate. But Fred Taylor and Tully Banta-Cain were signed BEFORE Cassel was traded. So you can’t argue that they were signed with money freed up by that trade.
    And it goes without saying that this “So I guess you could say the Pats traded Cassel for the #34 pick int he draft and the free agents signed.” is an oversimplification and exaggeration.
    Oh, and Tank Johnson signed with the Bengals. Not the Patriots.
    Having said that, this idea that you need to make waves in free agency/trades to improve is a bunch of bull.

  52. Brewster says: Apr 8, 2009 10:11 AM

    Very interesting comments.
    This goes to the heart of what I’ve been saying. Pat Bowlewn was involved in this situation up to his eyeballs. This was no pissing match between McDaniels and Cutler over not communicating.
    This was Broncos management, Boweln & McDaniels, being dishonest about what their intentions from the very begining of this saga. And Bowlen doesn’t even have the guts to acknowledge his participation in the entire mess. He’s blaming it on Cutler.
    Then Bowlen has the audacity to send a letter to Broncos fans mis-representing the facts. This was not about Cutler sulking or pouting, this was as Cutler has said “about trust”. If you can’t trust the Coach and the Owner, you might as well be playing for Oakland.
    Well Pat there’s always confession: Bless me Father for I have sinned, I lied, then I lied again then I lied in writing to 50,000 fans. OK, my son your penance is 25,000 Hail Marys, you have to fire the Coach within 2 years, and endure at least 3-4 more losing seasons. Now go in peace.

  53. MaineMan says: Apr 8, 2009 10:53 AM

    @jimicos —
    The Patriots re-signed SS Tank Williams. Tank Johnson is, well, a different guy.
    @Brewster —
    Broncos will win the AFC West in ’09 with a 10-6 record or better and possibly even a playoff game with Orton at QB.

  54. TCLARK says: Apr 8, 2009 11:10 AM

    jimicos says:”That’s mostly accurate. But Fred Taylor and Tully Banta-Cain were signed BEFORE Cassel was traded. So you can’t argue that they were signed with money freed up by that trade.”
    Not true. They agreed to a deal they couldn’t sign until Cassel was traded. If you look at when they actually signed their contracts it was after the trade. The trade had to happen or some back ups would have had to been cut or the Pats would have had to renig on the deal.

  55. ben_knecht says: Apr 8, 2009 11:35 AM

    In 2008 Jay Cutler’s Interception % was tied for 24th in the NFL. He threw 2.9 picks per 100 passes.

  56. dieselboy359 says: Apr 8, 2009 11:45 AM

    Florio, are you forgetting that whoever picked up Cassel assumed his 14.6 million dollar cap charge, and that he can walk away to another team after only one year? And that Cutler was signed for three more years at reasonable numbers? So which quarterback would you rather sign, even if they did have similar numbers of starts and records? When you add Cutler’s experience compared to Cassel’s, the Culter deal is a slam dunk. The Pats were running on borrowed time and got what they could, and turned a former 7th round pick who almost got cut in the preseason into a 2nd round pick. Yeah, they did a horrible job…I suppose that’s why Belichick is still employed.

  57. dashoe says: Apr 8, 2009 11:49 AM

    As we understand it, the Broncos were aggressively pursuing Cassel, and then when it didn’t happen they tried to make it look like they merely responded to an inquiry that came to them unsolicited.
    It went much farther than that, and if the Broncos had gotten their act in gear more quickly, Cassel would be a Bronco, Cutler would be a Buccaneer or a Lion, and the Pats would have an extra first-round pick instead of simply an extra second-round selection.
    ________________________________________________
    So not only is McDaniels a liar his inexperience played a part in ruining a deal with his former team?
    Good luck Broncos, you’re going to need it.

  58. footballnut says: Apr 8, 2009 12:26 PM

    @jimicos: Those deals with Fred Taylor and Tully Banta Cain were signed AFTER the trade. They had agreed in principle but nothing was on paper yet. One other note to this is Randy Moss did restructure his deal to allow for a bit more cap room this year as well.
    The Pats signed 9 guys after the trade, three of which were theirs. You can debate if they are good signings or not all you want, but the fact is that they couldn’t sign anyone until Cassel was shipped. If the Pats had the time and cap space they could’ve parlayed Cassel into more picks, but BB had to move quick.
    And to RonO regarding BB cheating again with the tag…were you not on this site months ago when this topic was rehashed over and over again? If Cassel doesn’t bitch about it then it’s not an issue with the CBA…It’s not for Goodell to enforce unless the player files a grievance.

  59. Philtration says: Apr 8, 2009 1:04 PM

    Broncos fans and management are still trying to spin this while acting like they are happy that Cutler is gone. It does not sound that way by their hysterical reaction.
    No one in Chicago is bashing Orton or hoping that he fails in Denver to make the trade look better and no one is crying in their beer about him being gone either.
    Nobody is crying about the draft picks. The draft is a crap shoot and is filled with failed picks every year by every team.
    Bronco fans need to look at their 1st round draft picks over the last 10 years. How many were star players in the NFL? You can’t count Cutler either because you now say that he sucks.
    For all the talk going on about Cutler being a crybaby, drama queen or having his feelings hurt it is the Denver fans, coach, owner and media that are acting like the jilted lover here.
    Who is the real crybaby?

  60. dashoe says: Apr 8, 2009 1:41 PM

    Philtration says:
    April 8th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
    Broncos fans and management are still trying to spin this while acting like they are happy that Cutler is gone. It does not sound that way by their hysterical reaction.
    No one in Chicago is bashing Orton or hoping that he fails in Denver to make the trade look better and no one is crying in their beer about him being gone either.
    Nobody is crying about the draft picks. The draft is a crap shoot and is filled with failed picks every year by every team.
    Bronco fans need to look at their 1st round draft picks over the last 10 years. How many were star players in the NFL? You can’t count Cutler either because you now say that he sucks.
    For all the talk going on about Cutler being a crybaby, drama queen or having his feelings hurt it is the Denver fans, coach, owner and media that are acting like the jilted lover here.
    Who is the real crybaby?
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    Agree 100%. I also find it curious that, until McDaniels came into Denver and made a huge gaffe, no one uttered a negative word about Cutler. Now we hear what a terrible teammate, crybaby, alcoholic, losing record, diabetic he is……it’s also funny that most of the negative talk is coming from the Broncos front office and people who don’t live in Denver, i.e. Peter King.

  61. jimicos says: Apr 8, 2009 2:50 PM

    TCLARK says:
    April 8th, 2009 at 11:10 am
    Not true. They agreed to a deal they couldn’t sign until Cassel was traded. If you look at when they actually signed their contracts it was after the trade. The trade had to happen or some back ups would have had to been cut or the Pats would have had to renig on the deal.
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    I’m looking at the Patriots’ own press releases: http://www.patriots.com/search/index.cfm?PCID=47
    According to those press releases, Tully Banta-Cain was signed (and it was formally announced) on 2/18. The official announcement of Fred Taylor’s signing was on 2/27. The Cassel trade was announced on 2/28.
    Do they make press releases like that before the player is actually signed? I doubt it. Maybe there’s something I’m missing here.
    @MaineMan: My bad. This is precisely why I lobbied against the usage of “Tank” as a nickname. Everyone wants to be Tank now.

  62. Brewster says: Apr 8, 2009 8:05 PM

    MaineMan says:
    @Brewster –
    Broncos will win the AFC West in ‘09 with a 10-6 record or better and possibly even a playoff game with Orton at QB.
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    It’s possible, but I don’t think it’s likely.
    But you’re missing the real point of this situation.
    The Broncos organization, and Pat Bowlwn in particular, have historically been represented as a model organization & owner among NFL teams.
    If, as Florio suggests, this allegation is accurate then what is the real reason Cutler was disposed of, and most importantly trashed as a malcontent, choker, whiner, etc by the Broncos organization & Pat Bowlen?
    You can get rid of a player, even a supposed “Franchise QB” without trashing them. The kid is 25 and has performed admirably since he put on a Broncos uniform.
    I thought the Broncos and Boweln were above this type of behavior, I am reconsidering my position.
    The Denver print sports media, specifically Mike Klis of the Denver Post, has mouthed the Bronco organization position throughout this mess and should be ashamed at his lack of investigative, or at least inquisitive, efforts.

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