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Dungy Visits Vick

As expected, former Buccaneers and Colts coach Tony Dungy has visited imprisoned Falcons quarterback Mike Vick.
“It was a private meeting between coach Dungy and Michael, and it was positive,” agent Joel Segal told
Dungy has yet to comment on the visit.  But if, as it appears, Dungy has been enlisted to assist with Operation Maybe I Can Get My Money Back, we expect Dungy to only say positive things about Vick — and to place very subtle yet very real pressure on Commissioner Roger Goodell to give Vick a second chance.
Look for Dungy also to appeal to our broader sense of decency, and to equate Vick’s release from prison as the official commencement of Vick’s second chance, both as a free man and as a pro football player.
But this issue goes deeper than that, in our view.  Vick engaged in a lifestyle premised on cruelty to animals and gambling.  He lied to cover it up.  He disgraced himself, the NFL, and its vast majority of law-abiding players.  Merely being sprung from the hoosegow shouldn’t be sufficient to allow Vick to waltz back into the nation’s pre-eminent professional sports league.  As Commissioner Goodell has said, Vick needs to show genuine remorse for what he did, not for simply being caught.
Vick also needs to show that he has changed, and that he has matured.
Meanwhile, are we the only ones who think it seems odd that Dungy opted to visit Vick in prison on May 5, given that Vick will be released to home confinement two weeks from tomorrow?  If anyone other than Dungy did something like this, the cynics would say that Dungy decided that a visit to Leavenworth would be more dramatic and compelling than a cup of coffee in Mike Vick’s kitchen.
We know that Dungy’s reputation generally insulates him from such suspicions.  Still, there’s something about this timeline that makes us wonder whether the visit was aimed at supporting Dungy’s preordained conclusion that Vick deserves a clean slate on the NFL gridiron.

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  1. KWR says: May 5, 2009 7:55 PM

    How many white people does he visit in prison?

  2. GregO says: May 5, 2009 7:57 PM

    I agree that Vick blew his chances and I would not miss him or shed a tear if he was never reinstated. But would you please explain to me how exactly someone shows “genuine remorse”?
    Seriously any public penance he performs will be subject to the “He’s just doing it to get back into the NFL.” counter argument.
    Seriously Florio, instead of just falling back on the genuine remorse line every time how about offering a suggestion as to what he could do to demonstrate said remorse?

  3. Elaw6 says: May 5, 2009 7:59 PM

    Mike Vick is almost home. As far as the date of the visit: Better sooner than later.
    Operation Make My Money Back- What is Mike Vick Supposed to do? Not try to feed his family anymore?
    I want Mike Vick To succeed and Pat White to BUST based on the HATE that florio dishes out whenever this man is brought up.
    florio acts like he has never done anything illegal in his day.

  4. Mike Florio says: May 5, 2009 8:03 PM

    @grego . . . .
    good point.
    in my view, genuine remorse is as obvious as is the absence of it. vick’s rehearsed (badly) remarks after he pleaded guilty weren’t genuine remorse. genuine remorse comes from words and actions indicating clearly that the person knows what he did was monstrous. it’s breaking down and crying real tears, it’s begging the world to forgive him.

  5. warpaint88 says: May 5, 2009 8:04 PM

    Well, GregO, it’s not Florio’s idea or requirement. It’s Roger Goodell’s. So how about you ask him about it instead of bitching here?

  6. HarrisonHits says: May 5, 2009 8:05 PM

    St Dungy is a douche. If Vick was gay he wouldn’t even have considered visiting him. But torturing animals and possibly throwing games with his erratic play while gambling is more forgivable to Dungy it seems. Screw him and Vick. Vick should be banned for life, period.

  7. Stone says: May 5, 2009 8:07 PM

    For the sake of our enjoyment in the NFL, Michael Vick needs to be banned from the NFL for good. Allowing him back would only provide a national platform for the media circus that is sure to follow him everywhere. It seems to me that only Michael Vick has to gain from being allowed back in, I can’t seem to fathom a positive benefit for the overall League. I think Vick was over-prosecuted for his crimes but I also think he shouldn’t be allowed back in the NFL. Goodell should take a vote of the fans and see what we say.

  8. Stone says: May 5, 2009 8:09 PM

    …Its not saying anything for 30 seconds while biting your bottom lip and taking a sip of water and then merely responding: “thank you.” Right? No one can judge genuine remorse. Only Vick knows, or will ever know, if he is genuinely remorseful. Keep him out of the League.

  9. Garret says: May 5, 2009 8:10 PM

    “…Dungy’s preordained conclusion that Vick deserves a clean slate on the NFL gridiron.”
    He may get that, but I hope he never gets a clean slate in the court of public opinion.

  10. F00kFl0ri0 says: May 5, 2009 8:10 PM

    So was Jimmy Swaggert showing genuine remorse when he used the “tearing” and begging for forgiveness option that you demand that Mike Vick use? Even though right after that he was still fooling around with hookers….

  11. TNCM333 says: May 5, 2009 8:11 PM

    I’ve always respected Dungy but his involvement in this is curious.
    I mean, what has Vick done to deserve Dungy’s backing? I know he’s “served his time” but the only reason that is so is because the feds put the screws to him. He was hell bent on “clearing his name” until he had no choice to plead guilty.
    If a guy makes a mistake or two and faces up to it that would be one thing. But Vick led a thug lifestyle and was willing to lie his way out of it but couldn’t.
    This knocks Dungy down a couple pegs.

  12. E.A.D. says: May 5, 2009 8:11 PM

    It is Cinco De Mayo; maybe Dungy just wanted to knock back some tequila shots with “Ron Mexico”. For his sake I hope Dungy didn’t share a shot glass with Vick and his herpes sore…

  13. MannyNH says: May 5, 2009 8:12 PM

    I didn’t know Dungy was an acting coach too?

  14. funk79 says: May 5, 2009 8:14 PM

    I think to show genuine remorse you would have to, you know, feel genuine remorse.
    I think he wishes he never would have lost all his money. But I am pretty sure he would do it all over again if he was guaranteed not to get caught.
    Who knows. Maybe Vick not being able to play in the NFL will be the best thing that ever happened to the UFL… in their one season before they collapse.

  15. Mike Florio says: May 5, 2009 8:15 PM

    @fook me . . . .
    anyone with an ounce of common sense realized that swaggart was acting.
    folks who “get it” will know whether vick’s remorse is genuine. if/when he ever chooses to try to show it.

  16. kazkal says: May 5, 2009 8:15 PM

    I’m against animal cruelty but how is what he did different then kill shelters?My city is turning pound in to a kill clinic meaning they’ll pick animals up and put them down without holding them for a week to save money…..

  17. stodgman says: May 5, 2009 8:15 PM

    Has Tony Dungy already said that Vick deserves a clean slate? I think you just may be jumping the gun and jumping to conclusions.
    My understanding is that prison ministry is a big part of Tony Dungy’s plans in retirement. Prison ministry is not all about forgiveness. It is also about taking responsibility for your actions.
    Hopefully Tony talked straight to Michael Vick and told him the truth. Not the easy truth but the whole truth.

  18. Philtration says: May 5, 2009 8:17 PM

    Why are people making a big deal out of this?
    It was just a conjugal visit.

  19. EdR says: May 5, 2009 8:21 PM

    Mike Vick has more character tham 90% of our elected politicians! Gambling is only legal and acceptable when the government makes money from it. Cruelity to animals? When is the last time you enjoyed a steak, chicken, pork chop etc. How about a circus? Talk to PETA. He served jail time and paid his debt to society.

  20. PJW says: May 5, 2009 8:22 PM

    If Dungy goes to bat for Vick it will come back and bite him in the ass.
    It will ruin his reputation and render his opinion irrelevant.
    Dungy really has no business getting involved with this, he should let Vick fend for himself as far as the NFL goes.
    If he wants to try to supply guidance to living a proper life……….have at it.

  21. F00kFl0ri0 says: May 5, 2009 8:23 PM

    Tony visits inmates on a regular basis, it’s part of his out reach ministries program…. White, Black, Brown, etc…. Why are you trying to make this a racial issue? And the people that gave him a high rating are just as guilty as they are in making it a racial issue….

  22. LiveNBreath Football says: May 5, 2009 8:23 PM

    I’m giving Dungy a pass on the timing. Maybe today was the only time on his schedule in the near future. Maybe there will be a second visit to see if there is any change?
    As for playing again — never. Lots of convicted felons are not allowed to return to their former jobs once they have “done their time.” Why should the NFL be any different? No one has a RIGHT to be a pro football player.

  23. r5156c says: May 5, 2009 8:26 PM

    I personally think that Vick being black and Dungy being black means a common bond between them and that is why Dungy truly wants to help.If Vick were white I don’t think Dungy would be visiting. Does this make Dungy a bad person, absolutley not. And I don’t think Dungy even sees it this way. I really believe he wants to help Vick whether or not he gets reinstated. As far as genuine remorse, when someone shows it you will know it. It isn’t acting, it isn’t lying it is from the heart and usaully it can be seen. I have not seen this from Vick. He has done his time but he hasn’t really suffered enough to show genuine remorse.

  24. DbleD23 says: May 5, 2009 8:26 PM

    The only remorse is losing the money. Bump them dogs, they are useless anyway. Football is about playing football, white people started that “good person off the field” crap because they genuinely suck as athletes. NOONE IS PAYING TO SEE A SMILE OR COMMUNITY WORKER, WE PAY TO SEE FOOTBALL! Vick served his time, there’s your remorse.
    Somebody said there would be distractions and stuff at the games. I doubt that, first of all, most of yall are to afraid to say things in public in person and I’m gonna beat the hell out of anyway talking that animal stuff if Im at a game in my fur coat and bunny slippers.

  25. GregO says: May 5, 2009 8:27 PM

    warpaint is right. Anyone have Goodell’s cel phone number?
    Oh and…have you seen my baseball?

  26. spanky07 says: May 5, 2009 8:29 PM

    If anyone thinks this is not about race, you’re misguided…it’s what the NFL is all about in many ways….just more subtle yet definite subliminal messages here with Vick trying to hustle the Commish into paying off his debt by allowing hiom to cash in…again.

  27. LJS01 says: May 5, 2009 8:29 PM

    Maybe Dungy should have spent more time with his OWN son rather than this miscreant. The fact that Vick “served his time,” means his gets out of jail, not that he gets to go back to his former employer. Playing in the NFL (a private enterprise) is a privilege – the same as working at a bank, for a law firm, or any media conglomerate. He tortured animals, gambled, lied, and would still be doing it to this day if hadn’t been caught.
    If Dungy truly wants to do some good, then he should help the homeless, campaign against the slaughter in Darfur, or work at a soup kitchen. This strikes me as media whoring – nothing else.

  28. GregO says: May 5, 2009 8:29 PM

    Kill shelter’s at least attempt to do it humanely. Generally they do not electrocute the dogs or slam them repeatedly to the ground.
    They also don’t force the animals to fight cage matches and suffer grievous injuries over and over.
    But other than that it’s exactly the same thing.

  29. teddybayer says: May 5, 2009 8:31 PM

    First things first, Napoleon: it would be “Coach Dungy”, not “coach Dungy”. In fact, I don’t know what a “coach Dungy” is or means.
    Second, no one but me thinks it’s patronizing as hell to send Vick the black, ministering former head coach? This is so color-coded and Goddell-sent, it’s sickening. Would he send in a rabbi if the offending player were Jewish?
    When Goddell does things like this, it makes me think that Pete Rozelle and Taglibue had a love child and his name is Commission Gordon, errrrrrrrr, Goddell.

  30. lump9907 says: May 5, 2009 8:31 PM

    you know as well as i do that the underlying goal to anything in the nfl is money. if the nfl determines that vick can potentially make money for them, roger douchebag will reinstate him (did i spell his name right?). and if a team feels like he can make them some money, they will sign him. theres no sense in frustrating yourself by hoping for anything different. if the “bottom line” projections dictate a lifetime ban, he will be off canada.
    regardless…while i enjoy your wholesome, self-righteous, dudley do-right perspectives, lets worry about keeping rapists and child molesters behind bars for the rest of their lives versus whining about whether michael vick will be given another shot at freaking football after he killed a dog that was trained to rip my childs face off as it roamed the neighborhood.
    i dont agree with anything he did, but its being done. his sentence didnt end the existence of dog fighting. maybe, just maybe, if everyone stops talking about this piece of trash he will stop generating revenue and disappear altogether. so please, florio, no more about michael vick.
    as emmitt would say, “ignore him into ablivion!”

  31. ras611 says: May 5, 2009 8:34 PM

    Was Vick’s cruelty against animals any worse than Ray Lewis’ cruelty against other people? or Michael Irvin’s cruelty against white powder?

  32. lito says: May 5, 2009 8:35 PM

    M. Vick deserves a second chance. It was nice of Dungy to visit him in prison.

  33. jharmon64 says: May 5, 2009 8:35 PM

    I find the remorse topic interesting and pose a question to the readers. What does remorse have to do with his reinstatent? If this were the “real world’ would one have to show remorse for any crime previously committed to be hired? Just food for thought. Not taking any sides on the topic. I agree with some of the early posts, how does one identify whether a person has shown true remorse? Seems like most any one could be coached into saying the right things and fake it.

  34. Umdayo says: May 5, 2009 8:38 PM

    Would bringing Michael Vick back unleash a torrent of “let’s see how rotten a thing I can do and still get back into the NFL? – fever?
    Wow! I hope not. He doesn’t deserve to return. If he could be made persona non grata as to the NFL that would be fine.

  35. GregO says: May 5, 2009 8:38 PM

    The bottom line is that remorse of any kind can only be demonstrated by actions and words that are subject to interpretation.
    Personally I felt Michael Richards demonstrated genuine remorse after his meltdown. Many disagree with me. I felt that Mel Gibson is an anti-semite who shed nothing but crocodile tears and was merely doing damage control with his apology. Many disagree with me.
    Ultimately Goodell will be the arbiter of Vick’s remorse and many will disagree with his final decision too.

  36. realityonetwo says: May 5, 2009 8:42 PM

    So was Jimmy Swaggert showing genuine remorse when he used the “tearing” and begging for forgiveness option that you demand that Mike Vick use? Even though right after that he was still fooling around with hookers….
    Swaggert liked to hook up with tight ends, so I’d take him as a FFL QB…

  37. teddybayer says: May 5, 2009 8:48 PM

    kazkal says:
    May 5th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
    I’m against animal cruelty but how is what he did different then kill shelters?
    Well, kazkal, you’re illiterate AND stupid, but let me explain the difference to you:
    An animal abandoned or abused might have to be euthanize (put down or killed) because no resources are available to house and feed that animal. That’s why Bob Barker has said for years, “spay and neuter your animals” as over pet population makes this sorry scenario almost inevitable.
    Likewise,all domestic animals must be “socialized”. A dog who bites is not socialized and therefore must be euthanized.
    Michael Vick — stay with me here, dummy — raised and purchased dogs purely for fighting, an activity not widely present or accepted in our culture and, in fact, illegal. And when certain of his animals performed badly or were injured, Michael Vick and his buddies killed them in inhumane ways, like turning a hose on them and electocuting them.
    The difference between a shelter euthanzing an animal, and Mikey Vick electrocuting his dog is night and day. And you are a dummy.

  38. mborz says: May 5, 2009 8:51 PM

    How many people who post here would be welcomed back to their job after committing the exact same acts Vick did, lying about it, then serving time for it? I know I would have about a 0.00% chance of getting my same job back, tears or no tears.

  39. Topher says: May 5, 2009 8:56 PM

    Mike Vick does not DESERVE a second chance. But I would like to see him get one.
    Even if only because it would show the world exactly what the NFL is… a gladitorial ring where you can do whatever you want if you have talent and support of the mob.
    And I’m okay with that. Florio is also, otherwise he wouldn’t be trying so hard to rid Vick of his daily increasing mob support. Meanwhile drunk drivers who murder are okie dokie with him because they were drunk at the time and therefore they “didn’t mean it.”
    Getting drunk and killing a human is always worse than being sober and killing a dog. Always.

  40. south-fl-steel says: May 5, 2009 8:57 PM

    it was an act of human compassion for tony dungy to meet with vick and mentor to him. i only hope he left his dog at home.

  41. Darth Ringo says: May 5, 2009 9:01 PM

    I hope he took the opportunity to ask Vick about other things besides gambling & dog killing, such as why he thought it was a good idea to flip off little kids wearing #7 jerseys.

  42. KWR says: May 5, 2009 9:02 PM

    I just asked a question. I’ve read of him visiting black inmates but have never read of him visiting any white inmates. I’ve also heard many racist comments from Dungy, both from when I was watching him as a player and as a coach. So it’s Dingy Dungy that’s made it a racial issue.

  43. kj4290 says: May 5, 2009 9:11 PM

    What if it was Peyton Manning who was involved in dog fighting ? You same close guys would say he deserves a second chance. So why not Mike Vick ? Or maybe the color of his skin is his SIN. Maybe that’s the problem with MASTER GODELL

  44. Topher says: May 5, 2009 9:12 PM

    @KWR… you’ve got to stretch it pretty hard to call Dungy a racist.
    @Darth Ringo…. major kudos… seriously maybe I’m just inhumane, but I’ve way more issues with Vicks double bird than with the dog fighting lifestyle.

  45. charliee814 says: May 5, 2009 9:12 PM

    I just lost all respect for Tony Dungy, He is doing nothing but staging adramatic scene for the commissioner,who the hell is he anyway, he is just a black mantrying to help a thug., a lifetime thug. Vick needs to be suspended for at least one more year and stay clean and show true remorse, and what about all his legal matters. Is Dungy going to take care of this too. What about Pete Rose?

  46. cobrala says: May 5, 2009 9:20 PM

    I can’t believe Tony Dungy beat Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson to the punch?!?
    In all seriousness I fully-understand both sides’ opinion on this one.

  47. DallasSucks says: May 5, 2009 9:25 PM

    Florio said:
    “Vick engaged in a lifestyle premised on cruelty to animals and gambling. He lied to cover it up. He disgraced himself, the NFL, and its vast majority of law-abiding players. Merely being sprung from the hoosegow shouldn’t be sufficient to allow Vick to waltz back into the nation’s pre-eminent professional sports league. As Commissioner Goodell has said, Vick needs to show genuine remorse for what he did, not for simply being caught.”
    Abso-freaking-lutely right!!!
    HarrisonHits said:
    “St Dungy is a douche. If Vick was gay he wouldn’t even have considered visiting him. But torturing animals and possibly throwing games with his erratic play while gambling is more forgivable to Dungy it seems. Screw him and Vick. Vick should be banned for life, period. ”
    Abso-freaking-lutely right!!!
    Screw Mike Vick and anyone who supports him.
    Screw Saint Tony too, especially if he falls for/plays along with the psycho’s bs.

  48. Good Newz Kennels says: May 5, 2009 9:30 PM

    Dungy might not be doing this to advocate on Vick’s behalf or to put pressure on Goodell.
    Dungy is a bible guy. He may simply be trying to win over (“convert”, “save” whatever) Vick — score one for the Christians.
    Let’s see how it develops.

  49. Jolly says: May 5, 2009 9:32 PM

    Vick will be back in the NFL. The next game he plays will be the highest rated regular season game ever and Goodell and the TV Execs will be smiling broadly in their privarte places…..Why? Because it’s all about the Benjamins. The NFL suspended him to protect their money and will bring him back to make tons of it.
    And while you all pat Florio on his back for his stance upon that soapbox, PFT itself has rode the Vick story into mucho Benjamins….So you can look forward to tons of stories from Florio during the slow season to keep the page views coming…..Since we’re talking motives.

  50. Blueblood says: May 5, 2009 9:49 PM

    Florio, your right on. There is a big difference between a mistake and a lifestyle. I have a real problem with what Dungy is doing as well. There is absolutely NO chance that Dungy says anything but Mike Vick should be back allowed into the NFL. In my ppinion the fact that Dungy endorses Vick only will make it easier for the public to accept Vick back. However, since America is made up of animal lovers, I dont think that it will work this time.

  51. ryanmc says: May 5, 2009 9:55 PM

    “As Commissioner Goodell has said, Vick needs to show genuine remorse for what he did, not for simply being caught.”
    Not in my opinion. Just don’t do it again. There’s something perverse about people demanding to see a tearful public emotional meltdown before making a decision on the guy’s future. I guess we just live in an age where people need drama all the time.

  52. Bendak says: May 5, 2009 9:56 PM

    Mike Vick is a thug. He wanted to live the “thug life”. He did that. Nobody forced him. Now, he’s reaping the consequences of acting like a thug. Let him finish his dream, leave him in prison where he belongs, he can live out his fantasy “thug life” for life without parole.
    As for Mr. Dungy, if he is trying to help “Thug Mike” for the right reasons, he’s wasting his time. If he’s helping for the wrong reasons, that’s on him.
    On a side note, since a previous poster pointed out that Mr. Dungy has a prison ministry and visits everyone, black, white or brown, would the aforementioned poster, since he/she has such a thorough knowledge of the matter, please give us the name of the last white person as well as brown person that Mr. Dungy visited in prison?
    Thank you.

  53. Topher says: May 5, 2009 10:06 PM

    @ Bendak
    Could you give us the name of the last black person Dungy met with in prison before Vick?

  54. airborneavenger says: May 5, 2009 10:10 PM

    Pete Rose Gambled on baseball
    Pete Rose Lied to Cover it up
    Pete Rose was banished from baseball
    Pete Rose came clean years later about his misdeeds
    Pete Rose remains banished from his sport and the Hall of Fame he deserves to be in.
    Michael Vick’s crime are much more egregious. He should be banned for life. Welcome to the real world Michael…………..

  55. reo says: May 5, 2009 10:24 PM

    It’s Dungy. What the hell are you expecting him to say? He’s going to say how great a visit it was and how good a kid Vick is and how sorry he is and then probably talk about how much he seems to have matured. He’ll probably then say something about him being a changed man and how hard this whole thing has been for him etc etc…

  56. empty13 says: May 5, 2009 10:29 PM

    what sterling rep for dungy? his teams choked repeatedly until the pats fell apart and the bears (lovie!) left rex in too long.
    and his son had a racist myspace page and then ended his own life. of course that doesnt matter if yer black hay-soose. so yes LJ i agree dungy should have spent time with his kid and not the con-vick.
    btw there are plenty of good white athletes. those kind of college and high school teams win a lot. there is a template in who gets recruited, however.
    i do not believe the bullshit mantra about the black ubermensch. dont try to sell that to me. what the media tries to pass as fact in this country is usually just propaganda.
    how many black QBs have quarterbacked a super bowl champion, btw? last time i looked – one. and they had a superteam around him. and he was incidental to the game result.

  57. F00kFl0ri0 says: May 5, 2009 10:30 PM

    Since you’re so well-versed in “Thug Life” please define this for us, who originated it, and how does one live the “Thug Life”….. I haven’t heard of “Thug Life” in over 10 years so I would love to hear your version of “Thug Life”……

  58. rusH1023 says: May 5, 2009 10:32 PM

    Elaw6 says:
    May 5th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
    Mike Vick is almost home. As far as the date of the visit: Better sooner than later.
    Operation Make My Money Back- What is Mike Vick Supposed to do? Not try to feed his family anymore?
    I want Mike Vick To succeed and Pat White to BUST based on the HATE that florio dishes out whenever this man is brought up.
    florio acts like he has never done anything illegal in his day.
    Someone should show you the footage again of the sh!t he was doing to the dogs, you fkng idiot.

  59. joswald says: May 5, 2009 10:47 PM

    Does anybody really give a @*&! anymore? Time will tell if Vcik has an opportunity in teh NFL again. But the ship has sailed on this gig…Let’s move on.

  60. atl_since82 says: May 5, 2009 10:47 PM

    Its amazing how all of a sudden everybody cares so much about dogfighting once vick got caught. if america cared so much about this why did it became a felony in most states after he got caught. for years i member the penalty for dogfighting in georgia was a $1500 fine now since he got caught you people act like its one of the 7 deadly sins. i think most people who talk s&*t about this guy never have and never will lose one minute of sleep worrying about some dog fight going on. i would love for one of the new found dog lovers to answer this question for me if the activity is as bad as yall make it seem why didnt anybody stand up and fight the light sentences the other guys got (1mth,6mths,18mths) his celebrity status aside if you people stand for a cause then go all the way if dogfighting is wrong its wrong for everybody not just mv. dont get me wrong hey the bottom line is he broke the law and has paid his price. jamal lewis (tried to buy a kilo of cocaine from the the govt), ray lewis (plead to a lesser charge in a murder case) mike vick (dogfighting) of the three who would u really want in your neighboorhood?

  61. Garret says: May 5, 2009 11:09 PM

    “i would love for one of the new found dog lovers to answer this question for me if the activity is as bad as yall make it seem why didnt anybody stand up and fight the light sentences the other guys got (1mth,6mths,18mths) his celebrity status aside if you people stand for a cause then go all the way if dogfighting is wrong its wrong for everybody not just mv.”
    Questions usually end with a question mark (?). I suppose in that mess of run-on sentances, there’s a question in there somewhere. BTW, Ray Lewis was NEVER charged with murder.

  62. hayward giablommi says: May 5, 2009 11:12 PM

    “If anyone other than Dungy did something like this, the cynics would say that Dungy decided that a visit to Leavenworth would be more dramatic and compelling than a cup of coffee in Mike Vick’s kitchen.
    We know that Dungy’s reputation generally insulates him from such suspicions.”
    In my opinion, Tony Dungy is an egotistical narcissist with a messiah complex, a very dangerous combination. Only the fact that he’s soft spoken and not a loudmouthed blowhard makes him “safe” and lets him slide in middle America and in the bible belt. But just because he is well spoken and doesn’t present himself like, for example, a Warren Sapp, people are (apparently) fooled into thinking he’s a “dignified man”.
    I call BS. It’s already been documented that the man is a hypocrite on many levels, and whose fundamentalist views on gays can only be described as hateful and discriminatory.
    So it doesn’t surprise me at all that he would make a spectacle by going into a notorious federal prison just to show America what a forgiving, pious man he is. Its all for show. I’m telling you, Dungy and Favre are almost the same person. So lets start taking the pickaxe to his reputation now, because he doesn’t deserve a free pass on this or anything else.

  63. DJSlyBri says: May 5, 2009 11:44 PM

    If Tony Dungy asks that people give Vick a second chance, many people will do so. Mr. Dungy appeals to many Christians, including my wife and I, and his word means something.
    The one thing I find strange is people like you Florio and others questions Dungy’s motives. What does Dungy have to gain by standing up for Vick? If Dungy cared about bringing attention on himself, he would have never quits the Colts. Or, he’d pull a Favre and say he wanted to get back into coaching. Really, how fast would, say, Daniel Snyder fire Zorn for Dungy?
    I know I am in the minority here but I think Vick deserves a second chance. Many of the readers here I am sure benefitted from a second chance at some point. I certainly did.

  64. VonClausewitz says: May 6, 2009 12:00 AM

    Dungy’s just trying to help a man who made a bunch of mistakes get his life back rather than watch him be discarded and a message get sent to other disaffected kids that nobody gives a damn. Was Vick a douche for doing the things he did and subsequently lying like a rug with no apparent ability to feel remorse? Yes. But that doesn’t mean he’ll always be a douche. And to the whole ‘spin angle’ – If Vick’s a douche through and through he won’t be able to hide it from the league. He’ll be gone quickly. So what’s the loss in trying to change this guys life?

  65. F00kFl0ri0 says: May 6, 2009 12:01 AM

    Wow there’s a lot of anger on this website over dogs…… I wonder how many of the so-called outraged have adopted dogs from the local animal shelter? Maybe a few, but I bet less than half… Then the attacks on Tony Dungy and the suicide of his son, is just beyond belief. When Jack Kemp and Lou Saban died there was nothing but respect and honor attributed to these two men, but derision and insults with Dungy’s loss of his son….. This doesn’t add up……. You’re just going to have to come to your own conclusions….. You’re angry for some reason, and it’s easy to be a tough guy with the anonymity of the internet behind a keyboard….

  66. butterk2 says: May 6, 2009 12:52 AM

    completely different scenerio. Betting on the sport you are playing/managing is dangerous to the sanctity of the game and results. What vick did was outside of football and did not affect any game that was played. Either way i don’t care if he plays or not, I’m not an animal lover.

  67. justinkwang says: May 6, 2009 1:19 AM

    I am just amazed Florio admitted that the NFL has law-abiding players.

  68. noseman81 says: May 6, 2009 1:20 AM

    I, for one, would love to see Vick on my Skins. He’d make our offense dramatically better in an instant, and I know a lot of you guys have gotta be thinking the same thing.
    However, I’m not so sure if him having a big run once out of fifteen snaps would be worth the constant pestering from the media and groups outside of the NFL. Any game he plays in from now on is going to be filled with the haters that bought a ticket, not as a fan, but just to yell profanities the entire time. Having him play in the NFL won’t ruin football by any means (it’ll make someone significantly better), but the crowd that follows him will go out of their way to. Any media interviews are going to be about the same old BS every day. It might be Gooddell’s best interest to keep that whole crapfest outta his league.
    It’s a real shame when you consider his talent, and how someone like Jamaal Lewis goes to jail for cocaine trafficking (way more serious) and is able to resume his career without a hitch. And did we all forget how Ray Lewis killed a guy? Not a dog, another person. Yeah he knows what he did…

  69. buzzbissenger says: May 6, 2009 1:34 AM

    I’ve loved dogs all my life, and not one of them has ever tried to make me kill for them, or kill me because I wasn’t adequate at killing for them. Yes I would rather live next to (and probably do) someone accused of harboring a murderer or someone conspiring to distribute narcotics rather than live next to someone who gambles on and kills inocent animals. Idiot.

  70. Fanthom says: May 6, 2009 2:28 AM

    Florio, you are unbelievable. You are on a lifetime rant about Michael Vick and that’s all there is to it. How many people get visits in prison from other people? Thank you. Stop overanalyzing Dungy’s intentions. Sverything I have read about Dungy is that he is a very spirtual person. And having heard him speak about subjects that you probably cannot begin to comprehend. They may have actually spoken about life in general and not so much about football, if at all. maybe Dungy wanted to counsel him right before he gets out. That does have its value, you know. And who among you gets to define remorse. That is so much crap. Florio, if he says he’s sorry, no matter how he says, you’ll question his motives. As wrong as Vick was for doing what he did, he is starting to get my sympathy simply because of Florio and those like him who are going overboard and blowing this whole thing out of proportion. You’re getting a little fanatical.

  71. Fanthom says: May 6, 2009 2:35 AM

    GregO, you showed your true colors with your first comment, “How many white people does he visit in prison?” Do you have any genuine remorse for asking a question like that? The shame of it is that you probably don’t know’s wrong with that question.

  72. olcap says: May 6, 2009 8:44 AM

    “Genuine remorse” is something that can be shown in actions. Some Actios that Vick has recently engaged in show that he does not have “genuine remorse”. Take, for example, the fact that Vick feels entitled to millions in property, (mansions, cars, Ms. Pacman game), even while declaring bankruptcy. That action alone suggests a man that does not have any remorse for what he did genuine or not. Vick is a thug; always was and always will be, and if he is remorseful of anything, it’s the fact that he got caught. Think about how many inidents Vick was involved in before the dog fighting arrest. One after another, except he didn’t have to go to jail or lose any of his millions. Clearly, any type of “remorse” at this point is superficial and phony.
    That said, “Don” Goodell will reinstate him and he is probably the one that suggested that Dungy do some PR work by his Vick visit. Disgusting!

  73. jwill007 says: May 6, 2009 9:21 AM

    “KWR says:
    May 5th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
    How many white people does he visit in prison? ”
    Dungy just got the job and he works for the NFL now if we get some White football players doing time that want to come back Im sure he would visit them……RACIST PEOPLE UNFORGIVING PEOPLE!
    If it was their son or daughter they would be BEGGING the NFL to take him/her back…….Dont expect to go to heaven with that attitude..ENjoy hell!

  74. texasPHINSfan says: May 6, 2009 12:03 PM

    put me in the “this drops dungy down a couple of pegs” group….
    dungy has no business talking to vick; and if he comes back and says goodell should re-instate vick (which he will do b/c he has a big heart), i will lose a ton of respect for Dungy. If he does that, this clearly becomes a racial issue for Dungy and not a morally correct issue. Vick has shown nothing to prove he’s learned a lesson (you mean claiming a Ms. Pac Man game on your bankruptcy filing proves remorse???).
    I hate to play the race card, but this smells of dungy running to vick’s aid more than anything else. if Goodell wanted to feel out Vick, he could talk to him, himself. If Dungy had been Vick’s coach, that’s one thing. But he’s just a 3rd party that has nothing to do with any of this.

  75. texasPHINSfan says: May 6, 2009 12:28 PM

    i think many of you forget that Vick lied to Goodell several times to his face, even after this was uncovered (before he went to jail). someone who lies even after being charged is not showing remorse.
    too many people are making a stink about the “genuine remorse” argument. it does not constitute a tearful apology on tv. you can determine this based on the individuals’ actions. as i said in another post, claiming a Ms. Pac Man arcade game on your bankruptcy case as a possession you’d like to protect does NOT show remorse to me. Angling for a plea-deal to serve the least amount of prison time doesn’t show remorse. Lying to Roger Goodell about your involvement after the initial charges were filed doesn’t show remorse. I’m guessing that those of you who are wondering about remorse didn’t even read his bankruptcy documents, and i’m guessing you didn’t hear his plea-deal demands. As has been said, his only remorse was that he was caught. It was a lifestyle, not a singular event or one-time bad choice. If he could do it again without getting caught, he would.
    Regarding Dungy – this is strictly for publicity in my opinion. I’m an empathizer to the struggling prison-goer, within reason. If i was a ministry outreach participant, i’d be more interested in the possibly not-guilty guy behind bars facing an uphill legal battle; not a convicted felon who has had a nicer life than most. That’s why i question Dungy’s involvement. With all the incarcerated African Americans, the fact he chooses the most well-to-do and (arguably) famous one, really makes me question the motives of this thing.
    If Dungy comes back and doesn’t say something to the effect of Vick learning his lesson, let him back, etc…. i’d be VERY surprised, and i’ll eat my shoe. i’ll even put it on youtube for you guys to see. Why do i say that? when is the last time you saw Dungy NOT support a fellow man? that should clearly illustrate a level of bias on Dungy’s part as we know he cannot be impartial, especially given the racial implications of this….
    I know Dungy means well, but he can’t do anything but endorse…. so how can we weigh his opinion with any level of weight?

  76. GregO says: May 6, 2009 12:58 PM

    Methinks you have me confused with KWR. I never made any such comment.
    Apology accepted.

  77. BigMatty says: May 6, 2009 2:02 PM

    There are a lot of things that these pro-Vick guys seem to be missing. I keep hearing how he deserves a second chance, and I would tend to agree if this were an isolated incident that could be chalked up to a temporary lapse in judgment. But it wasn’t. It was an ongoing, brutal, criminal enterprise. People like this do NOT deserve a second chance, because they basically had a second chance each and every day that they woke up and had the chance to turn their life around. But he chose not to do that until he got caught. So if he has been bankrolling this since he started in the NFL…he played for 6 years…6×365=2,190… so basically he had 2,190 chances to turn his life around. And if he were truly a quality human being, he would have. Ask any blue collar guy out there and he will tell you that the fact of the matter is that sometimes life is tough and you just don’t get a second chance. Let alone 2,190 of them. In no way do I want there any chance of my son looking up to this man.
    By law he has a right to earn a living… but that doesn’t mean that that living has to be made in the NFL.

  78. KWR says: May 6, 2009 2:37 PM

    @ jwill007
    Racist huh? Well, my black father, black wife and black son all agree with me. So you tell me who’s racist. Only racists call other people racist.
    There’s NOTHING wrong with any question. The real “shame of it” is that you probably think that you’re actually a worthwhile human being. You probably think you’re a good person instead of a worthless POS.

  79. chipthejackass says: May 6, 2009 3:36 PM

    All I can say is if you want to bash Vick that is your choice. I don’t agree with what he has done but he has every right to change and prove he has changed. I am not his judge as I am guilty of plenty of wrong doing in my time. Not to the extent of his transgressions but I none the less have been guilty of doing bad things at a time or two. As for Dungy, if you want to step up and try to smear the name of a good and decent person who by all accounts has tried to do nothing but improve lives of those around him, I say you need to see a shrink. His motives must be only to try and help a young man who made a grievous mistake and now is finding it impossible to get back into the good graces of the public. Child molestors have had less trouble being re-established into society. Let us stop judging and start trying to make ourselves better and in turn make the lives of those around us better. That is, as far as I can tell, all Coach Dungy is trying to do in this case.

  80. 12thman says: May 6, 2009 5:43 PM

    So, if Dungy wants to stir up some publicity about going to minister to Vick, it’s all fine and dandy.
    But if Kurt Warner did it…
    Vick still has not paid his debt to the Old Dominion.

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