League, Union Looking In To "Mangini Cruiser" Incident?

The fallout continues regarding the decision of Browns coach Eric Mangini to take his entire rookie class on a “voluntary” ten-hour bus trek from Cleveland to Hartford, Connecticut to participate in a one-day football camp.
After Saturday’s camp, the “Mangini Cruiser” will load up the players for the ten-hour trip back to Cleveland.
One league source told us tonight that both the league and the NFLPA are looking into whether Mangini’s actions violate the CBA and/or other potentially applicable rules.
As to those who think that the exercise represents an effect Remember The Titans-style “it’s good for you even if you don’t like it” bonding exercise, think again.  Per the source, the players are “f–king pissed” that they’ve been subjected to 20 hours of bus travel at a time when they otherwise should be having a couple days off from “voluntary” workouts that they dare not miss.
It’s all part of the reality in Cleveland that Mangini rules the roost with an iron fist.  As one source explained it, even G.M. George Kokinis is “scared to death” of the guy.
Our take?  Mangini is trying to force on those around him the kind of respect that Bill Belichick and Bill Parcells command.
The difference?  Mangini has done nothing to earn it.
And, based on this weekend’s bus trip, he is doing more than enough to lose whatever respect he has managed to muster through three NFL seasons as a head coach, which featured as many playoff appearances as pink slips.

47 responses to “League, Union Looking In To "Mangini Cruiser" Incident?

  1. Those poor babies had to ride on a luxury bus and listen to their ipod and eat surf and turf!!!!! The HORROR. The HORROR. Even worse, they have to work at a kids camp for a day. That’s worse treatment than Gitmo. I really feel bad for these special teams playing millionaires that had to go on this punishing journey. Life just ain’t fair.

  2. I make less then $40K and I risk my life for this country and love what I do. You dont hear me crying about my orders. We pay their salaries when we buy their crap. So shut up and play your game, While others die for your right to play.

  3. I keep seeing you write “hasn’t done anything to earn it” in regards to being a disciplinarian. I don’t recall Bill Belichick or Bill Parcell’s doing anything to earn it before their first season as head coach.
    I’m also pretty disappointed that all you seem to do is watch ESPN and write a news story about your interpretation of what was discussed.

  4. A bus? WTF? I’d be pissed too.
    Another great move by the lineage of successfull Bellichick proteges. Crennel, Weiss, McDaniels and Mangini. What a great group of under/non-achievers.
    Spin that one ESPN.

  5. Most of the net comments in Cleveland about this have been pro Mangini and anti crybaby rookies. Methinks folks are getting sick and tired of whiny players who run to their agents every time a coach asks 10 extra minutes from them. Screw ’em. Cut the whiners and keep the rest!

  6. Roughing you are the biggest dumbass on the planet. Let me see, your longest ride on a bus was 2 hrs. on a greyhound going to visit ant Flow in Hickstown, ever try sitting 10 hrs on a freakin bus you idiot?

  7. This would mean a lot more if your sources weren’t the agents of the “pissed”-off players. What do you expect them to say?

  8. roughingtheholder says:
    May 29th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
    Those poor babies had to ride
    Said by someone that’s obviously never had to ride on a bus for multiple hours.

  9. The real issue here is whether or not Mangini or anyone associated with made any money from this camp.
    A 10 hour ride both ways so a bunch of NFL level players can provide one-on-one coaching at a Big Brothers or United Way sponsored event for underprivaleged kids, one where the kids aren’t charged, live and learn. Mangini picked a douchebag way to get “volunteers”, but you let him slide. If these players were “volunteering” for a 10 hour ride to a camp Mangini or someone he’s buddies with set up before he lost his job with the Jets, a private camp for rich kids that’s charging $500/head for and promising “NFL coaching”, then the league and NFLPA need to go sideways up his arse.
    I don’t know about NFL coaches, but those types of camps (the latter example I used) are big money makers for college coaches, and set up as a way to put money in the coaches’ pockets from someone other than the school. Recruits the school is interested in get free invites, everyone else pay $100’s or even $1000’s of dollars to go spend a week living in a crappy college dorm and getting drilled and taught by college coaches. My entire high school team went to them in the summer when I was a kid, and over a decade ago they were dropping over $300/kid to go to camp at a MAC school. I can only imagine what a camp pulling kids from New Jersey and New York offering NFL coaches and NFL players would be charging per head.

  10. Geez, what a jerk Mangini seems to be, and an idiot. Yeah that’s a great idea to build cameraderie, take everyone on a 20 hour bus ride they obviously will hate for many different reasons. I hate bus rides of more than an hour, it gets to be very uncomfortable; add in another 100 pounds and I imagine it could be considered torture. Hopefully it violates a rule and they will be penalized in some way.

  11. Well, it is a bonding experience. They are all bound together in their hatred of this stupid road trip. It’s a start.

  12. Incredible that no other successful HC in the NFL has thought to do this. Maybe because it’s idiotic? Charter a plane for cripes sake, or fly SW!! Billy B and Mike Tomlin take note…bus rides must mean success.

  13. A 10 hour ride both ways so a bunch of NFL level players can provide one-on-one coaching at a Big Brothers or United Way sponsored event for underprivaleged kids.
    Good job Mangini, it’s nice that a coach thinks about other less privileged people in this mixed up world. This man leads by example, and I’ll I can say it HATS OFF to a fine coach and individual!

  14. I don’t think you understood my point Fumblenuts. I’m questioning whether this was a charity event or if Mangini made money on the thing.

  15. I’m with roughingtheholder on this, I don’t care some athletes had to ride on a bus for 10 hours.
    I get it, Mike Florio senses this event could excite the players union. That’s what lawyers do, their antennae always scan for fine print violations. But, really, so what. I rode a Greyhound for 3 days once. It wasn’t awesome, but I wasn’t getting paid 6 figures to do it, either! You do it if you have to.
    Next week at this time, those same players will earn their astronomical salaries sitting in a hot tub, chilling out in an air conditioned film room, or running around on finely-cut grass.
    These guys are not victims. Is Mangini a jerk? Probably. Most coaches (and bosses) are. Deal with it.

  16. If they would have flown SW the team would have thrown him out of the plane. Imagine those players sitting in seats built for mother goose. And peanuts for lunch. And ugly stewardesses…..LOL Flying SW would have been the ultimate insult.

  17. Those poor poor Millionaires! If James Harrison hadn’t pissed off Obama maybe they could have gotten a bailout … He seems pretty good at helping rich people get out of pesky obligations…

  18. Twenty hours on a bus is just unproductive. Given the hole that Benito must try to dig the Browns out of, wasting the equivalent of two whole working days of practice and training on a bus trip seems kind of idiotic.
    Had it been truly voluntary … fine … if guys want to spend their off-time on a Greyhound, so be it. If he was a drill sergeant on Parris Island … fine … it’s expected that he gets the troops to hate his guts.
    In 3 years with the Jets he never won the division, only made the playoffs once (lost in 1st round to the Pats 37-16 … this is the Pats team which had Reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney at WR, mind you), finished 3rd twice, and overall is 23-25 in the regular season. What has he accomplished that would grant him this God-like aura to which players must bow down?
    If the Browns really tank it this year, I don’t see them giving Eric the Rat a second year. They’ll have to cut their losses. All these mind-games of his during the off-season will come back to haunt him and the Browns will become a prairie version of the Raiders. They’ll have to bring in a new HC – maybe Favre will want to give it a try?

  19. Based on the link provided, my updated thoughts…
    Okay, it’s a charity in his parents names started when he was a Patriots assistant and starting to draw a paycheck large enough his account said “You’ve gotta find some write-offs.” So at least it wasn’t something he’s making money off per say, but based on the website which provides no information on who works for the charity or what they really do other than run a one day football camp which they charge for and buy some equipment for a few schools, I’m still very skeptical. Before I give Mangini a pass I’d want to know how much money they take in, how many family members he has working for and drawing paychecks from the charity, what percentage of donations and revenue actually go to charitable work, etc.
    I’ve seen some of the charitable foundations athletes and entertainers set up, and I’ve seen the 20/20 type shows on how sketchy many charities are. That less than 5% of the money donated actually has to go to anything charitable and they can still maintain non-profit status. I also know that when athletes set up their own charities they usually have their wives or a family member run the thing and draw a handsome salary despite the fact that they have no experience running a charity. In the end many of them are more about setting up a shell game to avoid taxes and put some family and friends on the payroll who’d be getting a handout anyways than really do charitable work. Based on the lack of information on that website and the fact that they’re still charging kids $45/head to attend that camp, my BS-meter is in the yellow.
    Now Mangini’s charity may be completely legitimate. They may not be paying family members, almost every penny they take in may be going right into running the camp. It all still looks very fishy to me. As I said above, I’d be much less skeptical if this was a nationally recognized charity. A lot of athletes put on free camps for kids in their local towns and get friends to show up and help out. Mangini has a charity to run his camp, charges for it, and has a list of at least 10 sponsors who are donating to the charity/event. It all seems a little fishy. Then he gets fired in New York and can’t deliver the NFL coaches and talent he promises his customers at the camp, so he drafts all of the first year guys. And that’s a HUGE distinction. Many here are saying it’s millionaires whining about a day or two. Probably 2/3’s of the first year players (assuming they all went) are going to be undrafted free agents. Guys with no money, no signing bonus, just hoping to land one of the last two to three spots on the roster for league minimum or a spot on the practice squad for less than $100K/yr. It’s not like he put all the high-paid vets on the bus and drove them out there. He coerced the guys who have the most to lose and are therefore the least likely to complain.

  20. It’s amazing that they did this instead of finding a similar program or starting one in Cleveland. Duh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  21. Hey Florio- Belichick and Parcells both were that way before they proved a thing. Now they are proven and have won. Belichick didn’t win a thing early on either. Mangini is establishing cohesiveness and comradrie. Ever hear of it. He is the the way he is. Deal with it. And by the way- rookies need to shut the hell up. You are lucky you have a chance to make it to the league.
    Florio is always with his “one league source”- bull. Kokinis and Mangini are tight. He was hand-picked by Mangini.
    Candy asses- pampered babies- you voluntarily signed up for this. Don’t like it- leave. Go get a “real job”. Once you fail at that- you will gladly get on that bus

  22. Florio is a Pittsburgh loving fool. “One league sorce” my a–. Keep carrying the water for your beloved squeelers.

  23. So everyone here would take a 10–hour bus ride over a 1.5 hour plane ride? Please. This is the NFL and player eventually have the ability to leave when their contract works out. This is just another example of why players don’t like Mangini. He not a players-coach and he’s not a winner. I guess that’s why only Jets backups signed with the browns this off-season.

  24. The difference? Mangini has done nothing to earn it.
    Yeah, you’re right again Florio! That’s why former Jet players have agreed to come to the Browns and play for Mangini. If you hate the guy, that’s fine, but to consistently bash him every other day is ridiculous! Why don’t you write a story about Shaun Rogers now? What about Josh Cribbs? Mangini sure was a royal PITA when that stuff happened, but now those guys are in camp and relatively happy as far as we know. Give me a break and get off the Mangini bashing. Besides, success and winning covers up alot of sins!

  25. C’mon, like it’s not good for these over priviliged guys to do something for the community?! I have to do several volunteer things a year for my job, get over it. As far as the bus ride goes, quit whining, there are people in far away lands who haven’t seen their families in months getting shot at as I type this. So a charter for ten hours for God only knows how much they are getting paid doesn’t exactly tug at my heart strings.

  26. Most of these players are not even Browns employees yet as they are all rookies and very few, if any, have signed contracts. This type of piss poor leadership decision making will certainly not inspire the players to play hard for this fool. It will also drive away future free agents who are good enough to have options to sign elsewhere (the good ones!).

  27. Mangini knows that the fans in Cleveland have no choice but to brainwash themselves that every MangIdiot move he makes will be hailed as ManGenius.
    That’s what’s bound to happen here and it will continue to do so until they finish 4-12.
    Actually 4-12 is the best case scenario. What’s more likely is that he’ll get the team playing well enough to tease the fans and then choke once again, crushing their hopes and dreams.

  28. There are some legal issues here that well above my pay grade. For example, a management employee forcing his subordinate-employees to work on a personal side project? When a building contractor orders his employees to work on his private residence, the IRS calls that “tax fraud.” Wealth transfers without income reporting equals tax fraud, under IRS rules. Putting aside legitimate CBA issues, Mangini’s coerced volunteerism from his employee-subordinates smells like a potential tax fraud.
    I know I know, the players are whiney crybabies if they refuse to participate in Mangini’s tax fraud . . .

  29. If this is this years rookie class, then I have to wonder why in the hell did they participate if they aren’t under contract?

  30. They’re rookies. Who cares? Maybe I’m missing something, but I think it’s fairly common for entry-level employees fresh out of college to sometimes be given unpleasant or arduous tasks.
    Presumably this will be tiring and stressful. Does anyone here believe that NFL training camps should be neither?

  31. OK, granted I don’t feel bad for the players either, but when you’re trying to build something with your players, have already had several unhappy individuals, and are quickly gaining a bad reputation, this is not exactly a wise move. This is Mangini’s camp, which he charges $45 a head for, and most likely pockets a good amount of it. Also he is now the coach of the Cleveland Browns, how about he hold a camp in the vicinity of Cleveland? You haven’t been a coach in NE in almost 4 years, nobody cares about you anymore. He used the players to get more heads to attend his nearly pointless camp. The fact that he is trying to say it’s a “time to build player relationships” mentality is just ridiculous. So happy he’s not the Jets coach anymore, the man sucks

  32. Mangini continues to show a blatant disregard for the rules of the NFL, and continues to betray players trust. As a head coach he is an abysmal failure. His GM is scared of him? Why wouldn’t he be? Mangini has the mentality of a traitor. He will find anything he can to hold over his bosses heads. He micro manages, and has to have absolute control. He engenders no trust, just fear. Making your players fear you is all well and good, as long as there is respect behind it. Having your players hate you isn’t good if there is no respect behind it. Mangini’s career is riddled with payer accusations of betrayal. No one trusts him, and that is no good if you are the head coach.
    BB’s players fear him at times, but they also respect him, and they know that what BB does will get them wins and a chance at success. They also know they can trust him, and that there is something behind their words. They do not expect that BB will betray them. Mangini’s players know that any promises are empty, and that isn’t good for the Browns.

  33. “As to those who think that the exercise represents an effect Remember The Titans-style ‘it’s good for you even if you don’t like it’ bonding exercise, think again.”
    The middle part of this sentence makes zero sense.

  34. Why did they have to go to CT to volunteer? Surely there are Boys and Girls clubs in the Cleveland area that could have benefited greatly from the team’s act of volunteerism.

  35. Mangini to host youth camp
    Zac Jackson, Staff Writer
    Browns Head Coach Eric Mangini will host his eighth annual Football Fundamentals Mini-camp Saturday at his alma mater, Bulkeley High School, in Hartford, Connecticut.
    The entire Browns coaching staff and rookie class will be on hand to work with the campers. More than 800 football players in grades 8-12 are expected to attend, and more than 125 coaches and volunteers — including NFL players, college coaches and other NFL coaches — will be on hand to help the camp, which benefits the Carmine and Frank Mangini Foundation.
    “There will be 100-plus volunteers, police officers, teachers, all walks of life,” Mangini said. “It’s a really great day. It gives kids a chance to get involved in football and get some coaching that they may not be able to otherwise get. I think it’s as fulfilling for us as it is for any of the kids who take part. I can’t thank all of the people who have helped me and helped us at the foundation put it together enough.”
    Mangini and his brother, Kyle, co-founded the foundation to help under-resourced children. It started as a grassroots effort to help one child, and now the foundation helps hundreds of children each year.
    Mangini said his sister-in-law, a teacher, had a young student who needed clothes for school, and so the foundation started with a shopping trip.
    “He was going to school in his pajamas,” Mangini said. “My sister-in-law told us about it and we had her take him on a shopping trip so that we could get him some clothes for school. It was amazing; he had never seen an escalator. It was one of those deals where he tries on a jacket two sizes two big and he doesn’t say anything because he really wants the jacket.
    “It just struck us that nobody should have to go to school in their pajamas. We talked a lot about what opportunities we could create for kids. The mission statement of the foundation is to create opportunities for under resourced kids. In high school, we both saw a lot of guys go down the wrong path because when they had the chance to make decisions, 90 percent of those decisions that they were surrounded by weren’t very good. What could we do to improve those odds of those kids making good decisions?
    “The camp is one of the events related to the foundation to hopefully let them interact with positive role models, to see what hard work can do to just create another window for them to do positive things.”
    Mangini said he’d like to explore holding a similar event in Cleveland each year.
    Browns quarterback Brett Ratliff worked the camp last year when he played for the Jets and plans to volunteer again for this year’s camp.
    “It’s a great experience for the kids and for us as coaches,” Ratliff said. “At this level we’re given a platform to be seen by younger football players and it’s a lot of fun to be out there working.
    “I think I can see a little of myself in those guys as far as having big football dreams and at that point they’re still just dreams. And from a personal standpoint, I want to get into coaching when I’m done playing so I look at it as a great chance from that perspective. The campers get great exposure with NFL coaches and the whole thing is for a great cause, something that helps a lot of kids.”

  36. Mike,
    When you post something positive about Coach Mangini, I will put more weight into all of your Anti-Mangini postings.
    Did you happen to come across the fact that the coach rode the bus BACK to Cleveland WITH the players? Did you happen to write about the 760 kids who came, played and were inspired?

  37. Roachk1lla says:
    May 29th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
    “I make less then $40K and I risk my life for this country and love what I do. You dont hear me crying about my orders. We pay their salaries when we buy their crap. So shut up and play your game, While others die for your right to play. ”
    Roachk1lla, thanks for your service to our country. It’s appreciated more than you’ll ever know. Hats off to you and your brethren in the military.
    And keep “killing the roaches”…

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