Mangini Gets Shamed Into Riding The Bus Back From Hartford

It has been reported that Browns coach Eric Mangini took the bus back from his Saturday football camp in Hartford, Connecticut.
As we hear it, Mangini was shamed into riding the bus due to the flap that emerged regarding his decision to take the rookie players from Cleveland to Hartford.
As one source said, “I’ll bet that Mangini had a round-trip plane ticket from Cleveland to Connecticut.”
Meanwhile, Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer firmly stands behind her story regarding the fact that each of the nineteen first-year players who went on the “voluntarily” trip were unhappy about having to do so.
Hutchinson also echoes something we heard Friday night — the NFL Players Association is exploring the situation for possible rules violations.
To the extent that the participation in the weekend football camp is regarded as part of the offseason workout program, then Mangini and the Browns clearly violated the rules, because Article XXXV of the CBA expressly prohibits weekend workouts.
But the Browns would surely say that the trip to Connecticut for a football camp wasn’t a “workout.”  Even if the Browns are right, the CBA doesn’t seem to authorize taking the players on a road trip for the purposes of working at the head coach’s football camp, even if truly voluntarily.
We think that the NFLPA’s first step should be to interview each player separately, to guarantee each player confidentiality, and to find out whether each player believes that he had the option to tell Mangini to take his football camp and cram it.  If the players felt as if they had no option but to attend, then Mangini and the Browns essentially were forcing the players to provide services beyond the scope of the CBA, which potentially would constitute an unfair labor practice or some other violation of the labor agreement, or federal law.
Members of Mangini’s former team, the Jets, also made the much shorter trek from New Jersey to Hartford to help out with the camp.  But since Mangini no longer coaches the Jets, the contributions of their two players are truly voluntary.
And Hutchinson offered up this gem regarding one of the attendees:  “[G.M.] Mike Tannenbaum was there, especially after Mangini gave him the fifth pick overall in the April draft for little more than a case of Gatorade.”

67 responses to “Mangini Gets Shamed Into Riding The Bus Back From Hartford

  1. She is so confident of her story that she only interviewed agents and family members, Dont you think she might have wanted to speak with one of the players?
    “Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer firmly stands behind her story regarding the fact that each of the nineteen first-year players who went on the “voluntarily” trip were unhappy about having to do so”

  2. Each of the 19 first year players? Undrafted Rookies should be grateful they are being given the chance to earn a spot on the roster. When did playing football for a nice living became such a burden. Its amazing how football players are becoming each day more like Paris Hilton and less than Pat Tillman. What a bunch of bozos.

  3. Yawn… Keep chasing controversy Florio. Nobody gives a crrap about the Browns let alone a few UDFA at a football camp.

  4. The early over/under win total for Cleveland is 6.5. The number should be 2.5 (or lower). Bet the house on the under and send Mandingi a bus ticket to Oakland with your winnings.

  5. As usual, Florio is sippin’ on some hateraide…This is not a news story, especially since nothing will come of it…Mangenius has the hammer in this situation…Nobody will talk!!!…

  6. Boy these players are pathetic. If your job depends on you being better at that position than anyone in the league, you better go happily. If I was GM, then I know nineteen guys are not team first and such will never see a check with our name on it. GTFO. I am sick of this crap. If it was a ten hour trip to Mexico or to go buy gonja theyd be hauling ass. Shame on these piece of crap spoiled people. Complaining about this when so many are out of work. Sickens me.

  7. This is a serious matter and a possible violation of interstate commerce laws. Mangini needs to step down immediately, before he’s charged with kidnapping, unlawful imprisonment, and transportation of football players over state lines.

  8. A tip for superjournalist Florio: when Hutchinson paraphrases Cabot, don’t put Hutchinson’s words in quotations and attribute them to Cabot.
    This post states two Jets players contributed. The Hutchinson article (now) names 5 players and 6 other staff members including the head coach (which would suggest that the Jetss’ contributions weren’t necessarily a great deal more voluntary than the Browns’).
    Maybe the first step taken by the union should be to decide if anyone cares. There is a certain amount of peer pressure that always exists within a group, and rookies will always be more susceptible to that simply because they are less knowledgable and under greater pressure. No attempt should be made to “rookie-proof” the NFL; this would cause more harm than good to the players as well as the league itself.

  9. This is only a story because Magina is a Belichick “prodigy” (what did he learn from him????????)

  10. @MauMontaV5
    You’re kidding right? When was the last job interview you went on with 18 other job applicants that required you to take a bus for 10 hours each way and work the whole weekend with zero guarantee of a job awaiting you at the end? Hell, you won’t even know for almost 4 months if you will get the job and the application process is only getting started?
    Rules violation? Who knows…
    Scumbag move on Mangini’s part? Uh – yeah …

  11. I’m wondering who paid for the box lunches on this trek, considering only the undrafted players have money in hand from contracts….

  12. It’s not about football players whining and complaining, it’s about coaches abusing their position of power. Those players were basically forced to go on that bus ride because they were all competing for a spot on the team. Sure they could have chosen not to go, but that would have probably meant the end of the line for them in Cleveland and possibly the NFL. Do you think Mangini could have pulled that stunt with the more established players on that team?
    Also to Dwatkins, she probably did not talk to the players because none of them would have gone on the record. It would be committing career suicide.

  13. A 10 hour bus ride with people you build a strong friendship with? That’s just awful. What’s next, you can’t bring food on the bus?

  14. Mary Kay is a bitter hag with an axe to grind with the new regime cause all her sources got shit canned for spilling the beans.
    She’s a JOKE Florio, her and Grossi have the same M.O. They’re all butt hurt they don’t get the scoops no more and all of thier stories since Crennelephant and the Bible Beater got whacked quote no one of substance….”Agents and family members”? Pffffffffffft.
    You’re the last guy I woulda thought to buy into this crap. You harped on sources for stuff for weeks on end, yet here you are yourself….
    Whatever you can do to stir some shit and get some hits I guess….the quality of this place is dropping like a rock ever since you went all “big time”

  15. This will go away very quietly. The 19 players won’t talk or are gonna say it was no big deal. They’re tryin to make the team. They’re not gonna do their coach wrong.

  16. This story provides an interesting example of Eric Mangini’s character, or lack thereof. One could argue that it is merely a form of rookie hazing but I am not the one. It appears to me that Mangini took a bunch of rooks, most of which are probably a long shot to make the team, and put them on a bus for 10 hours so they can work his football camp. For his own personal gain. I think a story like that gives a little insight to coach M’s thought process as well as his character. So when Eric Mangini loses control of his locker room in Cleveland I might think back to this story and how it gave me a glimpse of how Big E treats people/players. Or I may have forgot about this story all together because I just burned one. Any how you cant blame Florio if you think this story is weak. We all know there aint ISH going on this time of year in the NFL.

  17. I did speak with one of the players about this. His name is Don Carey and is a CB drafted by the Browns this year. Here is the exchange via Twitter.
    Don Carey- 1 day ago
    “time to go have fun with the kids
    6:46 AM May 30th from web”
    Tenwatt-
    “@doncarey Fun? The media is making it sound like you’re being bussed over to a prison work camp.
    8:07 AM May 30th from web in reply to doncarey”
    Don Carey
    “@tenwatt lol the media can mislead info. sure it would have been better to fly, but no 1 was complaining on the bus we joked the whole time
    about 17 hours ago from web in reply to tenwatt”

  18. Nicely done Florio.
    Way to sprinkle a bunch of assumptions and heresay and mix with little to no facts.
    Why are you chasing a story based off of third and fourth hand information? Why not ask what the players what went down instead of asking their agents (who are about as reliable as lawyers) or the third cousins of the players?
    But Mangini is a douche. That part you’re getting right.

  19. Well I don’t think he’d mind as long as he has a couple dozen Dunkin Donuts assorted in the seat next to him.
    Mangini is about as phony as they come….riding his association w/Belichick as far as he could.
    The difference now is the Cleveland fans know their football,,and won’t tolerate the Rats’ BS….Mangini/Lerner makes for 1 great couple who deserve each other…and again, too bad the Cleveland fans will have to tolerate this crap.

  20. Who cares if they had to ride a team bus for 10 whole hours. So what if this is hazing. They are going to get the opportunity to make HUGE amounts of money so the fact that they are “pissed” – who cares. If you want a job where you get treated correctly in a PC way and all of your feelings are taking into consideration… get out of football or man up and stop crying to a reporter.

  21. Thats only half of the story. Mangini further repented by sitting in the row way in the back – the 3 seater directly across from the glorified porta-john where you are forced to breath in the toxic fumes.

  22. Who the hell cares about this stuff? This is a non story that you are trying to blow up to smear the Browns/Mangini. Guess what, my work voluntarily sent me to Montana for a couple of weeks, you want to let the AP know so they can run with this? People everyday are doing things for work they don’t like. I could care less about someone who is fighting to make $200,000+ per year playing sports. No pity unless they are only making $40,000+. Come back down to middle America Florio.

  23. Seriously Florio you troubling fixtation on Mangini is quite bizarre..Did he beat you up when you were younger? From my understanding the majority of the campers are poor inner city kids who will never go to an NFL game or meet an NFL player. An 8 hour bus ride is to much of a hardship for a person to endure..8 hours of watching movies, sleeping, listening to your ipod and talking with your friends and family on a luxury over the rode bus is a tough situation for anyone I suppose?
    Most people recognize you as a wannabe who doesn’t really write any fair or objective articles about anyone or anything and all your trying to do is self promote YOU..Sorry Mike, that makes you a pathetic, small minded person in my opinion.

  24. Rules are rules. If Mangini can’t follow them off the field, how will his players respond to them on the field. If this “no regards for the rules” attitude continues with Mangini, expect it to rub off on the team. Certainly bad news for the Browns…

  25. Florio the Lawyer has this one all wrong. The trip was clearly intended to be a rookie bonding experience. It wasn’t a workout, and it was voluntary. From the point of view of the CBA, the player needs to say “I won’t participate.” THEN and only then can the player assess if his job was put in jeopardy by not participating. Florio, you should know, you cannot pursue a case based on the flimsy idea that maybe if a player had not participated then maybe something bad might happen to them at some later date, without any criteria for laying out what the bad thing is. Lawyers. The Cleveland Browns are not out “to get” their players — they want them to be wildly successful.
    I’ll bet the players liked the trip and the experience with the kids. And if they didn’t, I’m with the posters who say the players are a bunch of spoiled crybabies.
    But just get used to the idea that we won’t learn much about the Browns from Florio in the coming months. He’s already put Mangini in his category of people to poke with a stick.

  26. He’s still looking to follow in Belichick’s footsteps. If getting fired in Cleveland is part of the plan, he’s well on his way before even coaching a game.

  27. Those of you that have done any coaching in high school or the like, will know that the bus ride had to do more with bonding among teammates than anything else. Joking, singing, whatever improves communication and production. In other words it provides time for players to just get and know each other and form friendships that would have been more difficult under the standard schedule. Also the players worked with kids and that can be rewarding in and of itself. If your a hater or just a snake, you picked the wrong vehicle to make something of. Oh and Mary kay Cabot should start covering the Bengals. I ‘ll bet she doesn’t get too many big shots at interviews around Berea in the future.

  28. The story here isnt that Mangini violated some NFL rule its that Mangini has a problem dealing with people. He doesnt get it. If you want your players to volunteer in the community, fine. Encourage them to do so in a Cleveland charity or a charity in the players’ home town. You don’t organize a long bus trip for your rookie players so they can help you with your organization at the great inconvenience of the players. Mangini comes off as someone who is abusing the power that comes with being a head coach.
    Also, what is with Mangini’s inability to cut the NYC-metro area cord? He does huge trades with the Jets, signs Jets players and now he is making his Cleveland players volunteer in Connecticut? He needs to engage the Cleveland area, not NY.

  29. RobDawg hit the nail on the head. Mary Kay and Grossi are f’n jokes. That got they work in Cleveland where their is only one major paper in town. If these two buttwipes had to try and make a living in a real town, with real media, they would be unemployed.
    They should stick to what they do best, bashing a half dead Art Modell in an effort to keep him from his rightful place in the HOF, and leave the real journalism to someone more qualified, like the Browns beat reporter from the St. Ignatius High School newspaper.

  30. What Florio is refusing to mention is that this was a camp for UNDER-PRIVILEGED CHILDREN!!!
    Yep, that bastion of ethical reporting, Mike Florio once again slants the facts in his favor and refuses to give an accurate accounting of ALL sides.
    So these UDFA’s and the Cleveland rookies who are bitching and moaning are doing so about a VOLUNTARY trip to help UNDER-PRIVILEGED CHILDREN learn about football.
    Makes these spoiled 21 and 22 year old football players sound kind of like a bunch of a-holes, doesn’t it?
    That wouldn’t jibe with Florio’s take on this story though.

  31. Patscantcheatkharmabitches said:
    “Boy these players are pathetic. If your job depends on you being better at that position than anyone in the league, you better go happily.”
    Buddy, you’ve just proven the opposition’s point: that it’s ludicrous to call this trip “voluntary.”
    Mangini knows he has these kids by the nutsacks, they have to do anything he asks triple-time in order to make a good impression. So how does he use that power? To help the team? To help the Cleveland community with a charity project? Nope, to make the kids spend their entire weekend on a bus from Cleveland to Ohio to serve him, Eric Mangini personally, as unpaid labor at the Eric Mangini Camp.
    If it were really “voluntary,” there should have been equal numbers of veterans with a secure roster spot “volunteering,” right? And surely Mangini had his camp fully staffed in advance without relying on any of those 19 “volunteers”?
    This is a weird kind of football scandal because it’s not about cheating to gain advantage; it’s a combination of embezzlement (manager co-opting company resources for his own purposes) and a human rights violation. What a jerk.

  32. First of all, the Browns are not the “laughing stock” of the NFL. If anybody should be the laughing stock, it should be the cowboys. Jerry Jones can’t buy a championship so he builds a billion dollar stadium-especially during a recession.
    I bet how this story went was that the players were upset to begin with to have to ride a bus. Then once they got on it all changed. They had fun and got to know each other better.
    Again, the saddest part of this story is that is 4th or 5th hand information that isn’t coming from any reliable sources. Does Florio live in some sort of a bubble or is it just that no one ever wants to talk to him? Why do the PFTV segments look like they were done in someone’s basement? It’s like that Seinfeld episode where Kramer finds an old set in a dumpster. Except Florio found a PBS news set circa 1975 and put it up in his basement.

  33. Florio, you’re such a shameless hater it discredits your reporting. What is it, dude, did Mangini shut you out when he coached the Jets? You got this grudge. Let it GO!

  34. This is a pathetic attempt to bring attention to yourself..Florio’s troubling obsession with Mangini is bizarre and disturbing at best..Being a Browns fan I went and watched the camp. 90% of the campers are from the poorest cities in Ct including NYC. They will likely never get a chance to see a NFL game or an opportunity to meet and get coached by NFL players and coaches.
    Someone complains about a 8 hour bus ride (mapquest it) on a luxury over the road bus. really,,watching movies, sleeping and listening to your ipods and hanging out with your teammates is a taxing day I imagine that!.
    Interview the rookie players and ask them about the experience of working a charity camp

  35. What a “human rights” violation to ask for young rookies to help out under-privileged children and ride in a nice coach bus where they joke around and have fun the whole time. Some of you people on here need to go find some reality and become acquainted with it.

  36. Bonding experience? I’m sure. These are pro athletes. Riding around on a bus together isn’t going to make them any closer or any better as a team. If anyone commenting here thinks that his experience play or coaching pee wee/high school/college football has any correlation to this situation, then he’s fooling himself. If you want the players to play better as a team–you get them out there playing together (as soon as it is possible to do so). That’s how you get them to bond or gel or mesh or whatever you want to call it.
    And as for players whining about their job. Sure, there are a lot of times when it rankles me to high hell to hear someone b*tching and moaning about what seems to be a pretty cherry gig. Especially when they are making big bucks providing a luxury while others are busting their humps and losing their jobs. No question about it. I think about some of T.O.’s antics or Chad Ochocinco’s. Allen Iverson’s “practice” rant in the NBA a few years back comes to mind. At the same time, these athletes are paid to do a job, and that job doesn’t entail being forced to drive around on a bus all day to do a favor for the coach. Exploitation is exploitation no matter how much money you make, and just because someone is rich doesn’t mean it’s right–no matter how happy it makes some of the more bitter posters here. What’s next? Get Mangini coffee? Wash his car?

  37. “First of all, the Browns are not the “laughing stock” of the NFL. If anybody should be the laughing stock, it should be the cowboys. Jerry Jones can’t buy a championship”
    WTF? Jerry Jones has three Super Bowl championships to his credit. Three in 20 years of ownership. The freaking Browns have -0- in the Super Bowl era, no matter who has owned them. What’s even funnier is that the Cowboys are currently on a 4 season winning streak in one of the toughest divisions in the NFL. You’ve got to go all the way back into the 80’s (pre-Belichick) to count the Browns’ last four winning seasons. Get some perspective, dummy.

  38. “What a “human rights” violation to ask for young rookies to help out under-privileged children and ride in a nice coach bus where they joke around and have fun the whole time. Some of you people on here need to go find some reality and become acquainted with it. ”
    Ah, ok, thanks for the clarification. So it’s ok for an employer to coerce prospective employees to spend 20 hours on a bus to provide unpaid labor for him as long as it’s a NICE bus. But…what if the seats were a little scratchy? Would it be a violation of labor law and the CBA then? Or if the toilet were backed up?
    And for that matter, would it be ok to make the rookies paint his house as long as the weather’s nice? Or to invite them to the storage closet to meet Mr. Happy as long as he’s gentle and uses protection?
    Come on guys, this isn’t about the details of what Mangini made the kids do for him. It’s that he had no business abusing his power over them at all.
    (BTW, anybody else curious who paid for the bus?)

  39. Some here seem pretty envious of the NFL player lifestyle and tax bracket. Just because they’re getting the potential to make alot of money doesn’t mean they have to be dragged around as free labor to lend legitimacy to Mangini’s business venture…………..in this case a football camp. I wonder what your response would be if your boss told you to scrap your weekend plans because you’re going to be bussed 10 hours for some non-paid labor that’s totally unrelated to the company you work for.

  40. “Come on guys, this isn’t about the details of what Mangini made the kids do for him. It’s that he had no business abusing his power over them at all.”
    I know! I’d have quit on the spot!
    haha, yeah right.

  41. Patscantcheatkharmabitches says:
    Boy these players are pathetic.
    ——————
    Says someone with a user name of “Patscantcheatkarmabitches”. If that doesn’t scream pathetic, jealous loser, then what does?
    By the way, you’re completely off base, as usual.

  42. “Bonding experience? I’m sure. These are pro athletes.”
    Not yet they aren’t. OK so what’s better, 10 hour bus ride to get in the good graces of a coach that just might make you a millionaire or working at Burger King, where the manager just might let you have some old fries if you get hungry? JimmySmith I know you have experience in this area, would you care to chime in?
    “What’s next? Get Mangini coffee?”
    Probably. Bill Parcells prefers for his team’s top draft choice to fetch his water. I’m pretty sure that Belichick makes his UDFA’s loofa his stretch-marks.

  43. Dear Kane Nutcase and Mr/Ms Football,
    Chill. This was a charity event. It was voluntary. It was fun. It was bonding. This was not about soviet power undermining democracy. Cripes, give me a break. Kane, do us all a favor and go help some disadvantaged kids in a meaningful way.
    Or keep arguing that pampered, suddenly rich young, prima donna men couldn’t say “no” because their daddy Mangini would get mad at them.

  44. Dummy? For a team as overhyped as the cowboys, I’d say it’s been pretty disappointing. That’s the perspective. 4 season winning streak in the division? ’08:3-3, ’07:4-2, ’06:2-4, ’05:3-3. You could maybe stretch a winning streak to mean winning records in the division for the past 4 years, but that isn’t the case here. Also, compare expectations versus results. That’s the real story here. There’s some more perspective “dummy.”

  45. Ask yourself this question: if you had the opportunity to do the job you love and riding on a bus to help out kids meant you had a even a slightly better chance of getting the job, would you do it? Again, get some perspective. Think about the people all over the U.S. who decide to serve their country so they can get money for their college education. These guys rode on a bus! to help out at a charity and worked with kids! Don’t be so ridiculous!

  46. Over/Under 1.5 more articles Florio posts about this subject.
    Next article I can see coming….”Mangini makes players eat at applebees after practice……and they had to pay for their own meal!!”

  47. VaBthang4 says:
    Another rotten, incompetent apple from the Belicheck coaching tree.
    What a legacy. LOL
    ————–
    vabthang 4, You’re a complete idiot.
    Belichick’s legacy is secure, no matter what you haters may believe. His record speaks for itself. Drag up “camera hunt” as much as you want, there has been no discernable difference in the Pats record since Mangina’s rodent-like tattling occurred in early 07.
    See, if you had a clue, you’d realize that Mangina is trying to adapt Belichick’s style and persona, only difference is that Belichick has credibility based on his 5 rings, 2 as Giants D coordinater under Parcells, and 3 with New England. Mangini had one disastrous year as D coordinater in NE in 2005, and then 3 mediocre years as HC of the NYJ.
    The stint in Cleveland will be an epic failure, and will in no way be a reflection of Belichick. It will be a reflection of Cleveland’s continuing front office incompetance, and Mangini trying to emulate Belichick, and failing yet again. Mangini will be as hated, probably more so, than Belichick when his tenure is done.

  48. Hey c’mon… this was for charity. It’s not like it’s his own personal charity.
    Oh wait, it is?
    Well, then the NFL might want to know how much “proceeds” there were and how much is going to the charity and how much of the charity covers Mangini and his family’s personal expenses.

  49. partner55416386 says:
    June 1st, 2009 at 10:25 am
    Bonding experience? I’m sure. These are pro athletes. Riding around on a bus together isn’t going to make them any closer or any better as a team. If anyone commenting here thinks that his experience play or coaching pee wee/high school/college football has any correlation to this situation, then he’s fooling himself. If you want the players to play better as a team–you get them out there playing together (as soon as it is possible to do so). That’s how you get them to bond or gel or mesh or whatever you want to call it.
    That’s not true. I coached high school, and I can tell you that getting the players together after practice hours for a meal, viewing film ( they never watched ) or some other voluntary activity is extremely beneficial. That’s when they have fun together and begin to bond as a team. Practices will then yield better results and it will show up again as a dividend on game day. Ask any coach or former coach. This is not a secret. I think Florio is simply treating the entire Browns organization as a subversive group. Why? Ask him.

  50. Dear urbusted.
    You’re busted. These rookies are “pro athletes” only in name. They just graduated, oops, got out of college. They are kids. They have not learned how to be pro athletes yet, and Mangini is trying to clip that off in the bud.
    But here’s the funny thing, urbusted. You say Mangini’s strategy won’t work. And then you say that getting players together for “some other voluntary activity is extremely beneficial.” Wow. Not just beneficial. Extremely!
    Coaches with a consistent, reliable, cohesive view of life do well. Sorry you haven’t had that luck. But thanks for bragging, ooohh, that you coached high school (as in past tense).

  51. Another thought…is it just me, or is anyone else disturbed that Eric Mangini runs/contributes to a football camp to begin with?
    If you believe- as I don’t, but most of you do- that his backstabbed mentor, coach Belichick is a person of questionable character, then what the hell does that make Mangini?
    A spineless villain, who condoned and benefitted from “cheating”, parlaying it into a head coaching position, and whom upon taking said coaching position, continued to “cheat”, until he betrayed the man who is responsible for him getting him everything he has ever, uh, “earned”. All the while do a mediocre job.
    Is this the type of person we want instructing youth?

  52. I get where people are coming from. Players are way overpaid for what they do. But that wasn’t originally the issue here. The issue was about this incident. Yes, whiny players give the rest a bad name. But do I think this is a case of pampered players whining. Not really. It seems more like a new coach in town with a chip on his shoulder, pulling a power play that the players resented.
    No one in their right mind would argue that NFL players (or anyone for that matter) shouldn’t freely give their time, money, etc., to charity. There are lots of worthy charities out there that need help. But you have to wonder, why travel 20 hours round trip if charity is really your motivation? Why not help the charities in Cleveland? You could give twice as much time to local charities if that were really your concern. I’m not saying going on a long bus ride is the worst thing that can happen to someone–it sounds like bad time management for a team that’s struggling to break out of the basement, but whatever. And I have no real way of knowing whether Mangini’s charity is on the up-and-up–I’m not alleging that it was or wasn’t. It just seems to me that there were things other than “charity” motivating the trip.
    On these, and other boards, it’s the same thing over and over again. Players are whiny, spoiled, etc. Sure, many are, and they give the rest a bad name. I get it. “Player X makes a lot more than me, so he shouldn’t complain.” Okay, but you can find that kind of thing in any sector of society. Someone is always making a lot more than someone else, right? That’s how it works in this country, for better and worse. By that rationale, only the very poor should ever have the right to complain. As long as someone is willing to pay players big bucks to play the game, they are free to cash in. If it really bothers so many people so much, then they should stop supporting these teams and these players–stop buying tickets, stop watching games, stop buying jerseys with your favorite players’ names on the backs. To me, that’s an honest protest; everything else is just an angry rant.

  53. zertrat: Actually, urbusted was responding to my earlier post. The first paragraph is mine. The second is his. Just to clarify.

  54. Charity is great. Helping the kids is great.
    Wasting 20 hours on a bus is just that: a waste.
    Being pressured to take part in a “voluntary” activity because it’s the coach’s/boss’s deal and he has hire/fire decision rights happens in the “real” world all the time. But that doesn’t make it right. And sometimes people end up paying for such abuses of power.
    The Year of the Rat will be a dark one in Cleveland. Browns fans should pray for an 0-16 season so they can get a real coach next year before too much damage is done.

  55. Most of the Browns fans are missing the point. It isn’t the fact he did what he did for the kids, or he wanted a bonding moment. He MUST follow rules. He should know better. Being a certified snitch and all. You would think he would cover his _ better….

  56. ClevelandSucks aka Philly Sewer Rat – ur DUMBASS factor just ticked up another notch.

  57. Rasputin says:
    Charity is great. Helping the kids is great. Wasting 20 hours on a bus is just that: a waste.
    > Ding ding ding…we have a winner. Not sure why those riding in on the high horses don’t seem to get this. What, there are no disadvantaged kids in Cleveland? What a self serving, egomaniacal jerkoff Mangini is.
    If he really wants players to do help at a camp in Connecticut, get a job with New England…uh, wait…the Jets…well, maybe not…the Giants? yeah right, like they’d hire his undeserving, underachieving ass.
    How about just getting a real NFL head coach to coach the kids?

  58. pats haters suck says:
    June 1st, 2009 at 1:25 pm
    Another thought…is it just me, or is anyone else disturbed that Eric Mangini runs/contributes to a football camp to begin with?
    If you believe- as I don’t, but most of you do- that his backstabbed mentor, coach Belichick is a person of questionable character, then what the hell does that make Mangini?
    A spineless villain, who condoned and benefitted from “cheating”, parlaying it into a head coaching position, and whom upon taking said coaching position, continued to “cheat”, until he betrayed the man who is responsible for him getting him everything he has ever, uh, “earned”. All the while do a mediocre job.
    Is this the type of person we want instructing youth?
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    Can you hold the whining down? Everyone knows why you guys hate Mangini. Cheating is fine, telling is not- unless you play tackle.

  59. hayward giablommi says:
    June 1st, 2009 at 4:05 pm
    Rasputin says:
    Charity is great. Helping the kids is great. Wasting 20 hours on a bus is just that: a waste.
    > Ding ding ding…we have a winner. Not sure why those riding in on the high horses don’t seem to get this. What, there are no disadvantaged kids in Cleveland? What a self serving, egomaniacal jerkoff Mangini is.
    If he really wants players to do help at a camp in Connecticut, get a job with New England…uh, wait…the Jets…well, maybe not…the Giants? yeah right, like they’d hire his undeserving, underachieving ass.
    How about just getting a real NFL head coach to coach the kids?
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    Now Hayward,
    Is this the kind of high minded intellectual discussion you’re demanding in the other threads? Remember it was 2007 when Mangini offended you guys. It’s now 2009 and 2007 no longer has any relevance. Pats fans following Mangini around from the Jets to the Browns threads to disparage him makes me think about this:
    “The reason being is that it usually signals to the reader that the person posting has no creativity, and is just a mindless moron who can’t think of anything original or substantive to bring to the topic at hand. Frankly, I couldn’t care less, but the fact remains that the aforementioned was 2007 news. Its 2009 now.
    In other words, you instantly destroy any credibility you have when you post meaningless nonsense like this. Bring something to the table or go away.”
    Wonder who said that?
    http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/06/01/bradys-rehab-exceeding-expectations/comment-page-2/#comments
    Just remember, mea culpa is all the latin you need to know. You can give et al a rest for awhile.

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