As expected, an autopsy confirmed that former NFL quarterback Steve McNair died as a result of a homicide.
The question of whether he was killed by his 20-year-old girlfriend or someone else is still unresolved.
The death of Sahel Kazemi remains unclassified, Nashville Metro Police spokesman Don Aaron said Sunday. She died of a single gunshot wound to the head.
That said, there reportedly was no sign of forced entry at the apartment where McNair and Kazemi were found.
McNair was shot four times; twice in the chest and twice in the head.
On Saturday night, NashvillePost.com reported that a woman recently accused McNair of giving her a "roofie" a year ago, and that the woman's boyfriend would kill McNair in retaliation.
The information from the supposed Friday night threat reportedly was shared with police, but it's unknown whether the allegation has been corroborated.
Preliminary Autopsy Results Inconclusive As To Kazemi
Posted by Mike Florio on July 5, 2009 3:30 PM ET
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The "Roofie" story is just to throw off the investigators.
I just wanted to point out the idea that the "Murder-Sucide" concept is sometimes staged to cover up a double-murder ....
If I was a betting man id say this is a murder-suicide. She thought mcnair would leave his wife for her and when she realized that wasnt gonna happen so she did something stupid. Then once she realized she made a mistake she killed herself to avoid the consequences, IMO.
I'm a big believer in waiting until all the facts are in, but does
anyone else find it odd that the friend who discovered the bodies
called another friend rather than calling police/paramedics/etc?
Not saying I think he was involved, but just seems strange...
this is such a sad sad story..
It's interesting that they are not sure. GSR analysis would give an indication if either of them had handled a weapon.
"McNair was shot four times; twice in the chest and twice in the head."
Man. Someone had some extreme and passionate hatred toward the poor guy.
For the sake of his family, I hope this is resolved quickly. Because it's really a shame to see this turn into some cheap episode of The First 48.
as paul harvey would say... and now you know the rest... of the story...
Mike, or anyone, is it sometimes IMPOSSIBLE to figure out if the killings were indeed murder-suicide -- or if someone set it up to look that way?
It's most likely a murder-suicide apparently -- but the authorities need to be careful not to just eliminate possibilities that might be right under their noses.
Maybe McNair should have stayed out of the bars, not screw around on his wife, and just be a good father and husband.
Now look at all the pain his family will have to go through.
Like i said from the start, the whole thing sounds and seems fishy. There would be gunpowder residue all over her hands if she was the shooter.
Somebody murdered them.
Memo to self: stay away from Iranian chicks. The girl that tried to frame Mike Irvin and Erik Williams for rape back in the 90's was Iranian, too.
To each his own but it's clear as day to me that Kazemi killed him and then shot herself.
I think he told her he was going to leave his wife for her, to string her along, and she finally realized her jackpot wasn't gonna happen and snapped.
All do respect to the guy (and I am sad for the loss), it kills me how everyone is publicly talking about his great character and how he was a role model.
When did cheating on your wife with a 20 year old become role model activity in this country?
Forget the "he loved her and was leaving his wife for her" stuff ... if this was a murder-suicide (which it seems to be based one what we know so far) he was probably there telling her the predictable "Sorry - I changed my mind." because he was done with the fling.
Again - we should absolutely mourn the senseless loss of life. But I think we are a lesser society if hold up a guy cheating on his wife as a role model and example of good character.
Dude just needs to keep his D in his pants and stop trolling for girls that are not even old enough to drink.
It's interesting that they are not sure. GSR analysis would give an indication if either of them had handled a weapon.
WOW!!! thats really interesting. I bet the investigators never thought about that. maybe you should call them and tell them you saw it on CSI. Is your name Gil Grissom???
As others stated, if she did the shooting there'd be GSR and other physical evidence. Either (a) the Nashville PD are idiots, (b) there's conflicting evidence, or (c) they have a suspect and don't want to announce it until he/she is in custody.
Duh!
Maybe it's my imagination but I thought the (probable) murder weapon was in the room.
Call me stoopid, but has anyone asked these questions yet...
Was the gun at the crime scene the murder weapon?
If so, who was the gun registered to?
Did McNair or his buddies or his chick have any connection to the gun?
I'm thinking the answers to these questions will go a loooooong way in resolving the mysteries here.
Nice racial profiling there Vox.
On Saturday night, NashvillePost.com reported that a woman recently accused McNair of giving her a "roofie" a year ago, and that the woman's boyfriend would kill McNair in retaliation.
Where was this boyfriend the night this happened? The motive seems to be a love triangle of some kind with bitter feelings.
Or.... Maybe this boyfriend took him out?
"WOW!!! thats really interesting. I bet the investigators never thought about that. maybe you should call them and tell them you saw it on CSI. Is your name Gil Grissom???"
I didn't say that they didn't think or do that. I'm saying that despite all the forensic stuff they can do, It's interesting they don't know (or won't say) either way. There may be evidence that makes both possible. That makes it interesting.
GSR or galvanic skin response is used as a type of polygraph test. Used in this cas it would offer no results because both people are DEAD and can not offer an answer to any questions.
But since it's my turn to play CSI, wouldn't you think she's have blood and head residue on he hand if she committed suicide?
Me thinks the next 24 hours is going to produce a whole lot of new findings.
gee who says she didnt have residue on her hands?
Didn't Florio say on the initial post yesterday that the police had ruled out murder/suicide and that it was definitely a double homicide? This was sometime around 5 pm yesterday. Can Florio (or whoever posted that) please explain himself since it is clearly very possible (even probable) that it was a murder/suicide.
Trust me they would already know if it is a murder-suicide. There just not releasing it yet. All they they have to do is swap the hands and wrist of the female for gun powder residue.
Again - we should absolutely mourn the senseless loss of life. But I think we are a lesser society if hold up a guy cheating on his wife as a role model and example of good character.
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You mean the same way all these people are praising Michael "The Child Molester" Jackson?
No one said she didn't have residue on her hand, but the authorities could determine that pretty easily, which would make the case open and shut. Instead, they have inconclusive tests. I'm just saying, don't leap to believe everything on first glance.
Many of the circumstances of this case don't fit. Balistic tests will tell if the gun at the scene was used in the shootings and toxicology tests will determine if either had alcohol or foreign substances in their bodies, which is also a possibility in order to subdue one or both of them before the shootings. Also, the medical examiner can determine an approximate time of death, which I strongly believe came first for her and for him when he arrived at the condo and was ambushed upon arrival. That gives the killer(s) roughly 10 hours to stage the suicide murder scene.
There's no history of problems with the two of them, there's no record of mental instability on her part. No evidence of blow up fights, only this strange tip of a vague "white" woman threatening McNair, which sounds about as believable as when that lady in South Carolina drowned her boys and blamed it on some mystery "black" man. Where are the witnesses to such a confrontation, which the tipster overheard? I lived in nashville and believe me if somebody threatened McNair in such a public setting, it might make the news. A few years back, pac Man Jones even made the local news when he and his entourage got into it with one of McNair's bodyguards. C'mon man, use your heads.
In addition, Mcnair and his wife could be estranged. No one knows, that was his personal life. He's described as a frequent visitor to the condo, and his wife hasn't seen him in a few days. All right before probably the most family oriented holiday of the year, Independence Day. The moral police seem intent on a man dying for among other things, being with someone younger than him or alleged infidelities that haven't even been corroborated. Get a grip, we're talking about murder here, human lives.
Okay so this girl had morals, would'nt kill a bug. But she dates a married man and expects him to leave his wife. Happens every day. My guess is he told her he was tired of her drinking and drug using and was not going to get a divorce(she did tell the cops she was high not drunk, even though she apparently was) and in her drunken state she decided to kill him and herself. People in love, especially the young do crazy things. I guess she got used to living the (high) life and decided she liked it to much to go back. He is also to blame for cheating on his wife of many years. My heart goes out to her and the children most of all. Remember when you play you pay. The grass may look greener on the other side but when you get over there it is still grass.
People, this story just broke late yesterday. For goodness sake, give the police a chance to collect, examine and assess ALL the evidence. And, unlike CSI on television, they cannot get those forensic results in an hour time slot.
Based on what we've read so far, I believe it be a murder/suicide. However, I don't know what all the police know or who they have interviewed or what other evidence there may be.
They simply CANNOT rush to judgment on a case like this - or any case, for that matter - and need to be 100% certain of the determination before making an emphatic public statement. I applaud their cautious response.
florio4prez said:
Duh!
...
Call me stoopid, but...
I'd be happy to. You're stoopid!
Are they gonna make this a Law and Order Episode?
My heartfelt condolences to the families for the double losses. When all is said and done, somebody lost a son, brother, husband and father, and someone lost a daughter, and sister. May their souls rest in peace.
Now to the issue of murder/suicide, I think it is easy for the police to start with that premise or hypothesis before they look into other theories. However, I hope everybody who could have a motive should be questioned. This list should include friends, neighbors, boyfriends, girlfriends. In view of the supposedly pending divorce, McNair's wife should also be questioned and the ex-boyfriend of Ms. Kazemi.
In the meantime, let us wait patiently for the police. I believe they will do a thorough job of investigations.
Let's get with the spirit of pft.
Let's conjure a speculation ... er, infer ... from the given facts.
A twenty year old woman, under any circumstance, probably isn't going to shoot someone (for the first time no less) and put 2 bullets into his head and 2 bullets into his chest. If she's crazed, how does she manage her emotions to be so accurate and thorough as to use 4 shots. Most people who haven't trained would be waving the gun around. It's only on tv and in the movies (where the victim has to die for the sake of the plot) can an impassioned woman shoot with such impassion. Further, after the first shot, assuming it killed him, why does she keep shooting? Doesn't he fall down? And if the first shot doesn't kill him, doesn't he come after her or run away, or do something rather than stand as a stationary target for her to pump 3 more rounds into him?
It doesn't make sense for her to be impassioned enough to kill him in a fit of rage yet cool enough to be so thorough.
So I **speculate** that he was shot by a professional.
What professional and why?
Michael Jordan (well, his father) found out out what happens if you mess with people trying to fix a sport. As someone already said, she was probably dead when he arrived. Whoever killed her ambushed McNair and got off 4 shots before he collapse.
Of course it's all speculation. : )
OK
Guy shoots McNair twice in head.
Guy shoots girl.
Guy takes girls lifeless hand and places gun in it and squeezes trigger. Shoots McNair twice in chest.
Guy leaves gun under girl.
Now Girl has GPR on hands/arm and she is not the killer.
And for the record.. Guy could also be gal.
So yes it could be easy to determine GPR. But its existence does not answer everthing
i've solved the case it was mr. green (kazemi) in the conservatory (mcnair's sin/love shack) with the lead pipe (gun). if it was a murder suicide they have the gun, but they haven't mentioned they have a murder weapon. will the real mr. green please stand up!
Very sad altogether, regardless of whether it was double murder or murder-suicide (and regardless of whether he was cheating on his wife).
I guess, if true, looking past his infidelity, he was a pretty good human being and helped contribute to the Gulf coast recovery along w/ the old gunslinger.
McNair was apparently cheating on his wife, which is poor conduct. But that in no way makes him a deserving victim of murder. That is grounds for divorce and losing over half your stuff, but not being murdered. I hear some comments here like he had it coming and that is a bit harsh to say the least.
Most likely this is a murder-suicide crime of passion type thing. A tragedy for both families. But they definately shouldn't rule out double murder. Not all naive 20 year old hotties are capable of shooting someone 4 times at point blank range. Just some of them.
"Nice racial profiling there Vox."
"Iranian" doesn't describe a race, brainiac. It's a nationality.
Remember the remake of "Wild Wild West" when Artemus Gordon had the idea to take that dude's head and hollow it out, then stick a light inside it and light up his eyes so they could project the last image he saw onto a wall to find out who killed him?
i'll also add if you have learned anything from forensics & psychological profiling, the manner in which McNair was killed and the manner in which Kazemi was killed points to the perpetrator having some sort of emotional tie to Kazemi - possibly an ex-lover.
here's a theory for all you brilliant dicks out there. Since the weapon they found was semi-auto wouldn't it be possible to fire four shots in one burst? So she aimed at the chest and as she pulled the trigger the kickback caused her to leave a four bullet pattern that started at the chest and ended in his dome-piece. I don't think it would take much "composure"(as idlespectator contends) to do something like that. And furthermore, quite the contrary to idlespectators comments that four shots are the product of a cool head, multiple shots would indicate an emotional element.. A professional would shoot someone the least amount of times so as to make as little noise as possible. Don't ya think???
Obviously you should not quit your dayjob, idlespeculator, to pursue a career as a detective. Although you might make it as a novelist with your brilliant prose..."It's only on tv and in the movies (where the victim has to die for the sake of the plot) can an impassioned woman shoot with such impassion. ."
OH and by the way texasPHINSfan, not to put down your profiling skills... but maybe, and this is just idle speculation here...but maybe, just maybe, Kazemi was only shot once because thats all she could manage...You know it being a suicide and all. I've heard that first shot to the head can be a doozy....ya doofus...I see what your saying though the person shot McNair so many times because of that emotional tie...it must be an "as yet unnamed" ex lover and not the 20yr old mistress found with a self inflicted shot to the head with the gun under her. No emotional ties to speak of there.
I think HotCHick did it...and how much you wanna bet "hotchick" is 400lbs and smells like a hoagie with extra onions...any takers??