Comments on: Questions Still Linger Regarding McNair Murder

By: anton_chigur

anton_chigur — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:34:11 +0000

northstars says:
July 13, 2009 3:38 AM
thanks, florio for telling it like it is. these morons on this site swallow every thing they hear hook , line, and sinker. that cop is guilty as sin
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First of all you Texazz idiot get off of flOREO’s nut sack and second of all, stick to what you know best – bussing tables at Denny’s – and leave solving crimes to the police…

By: anton_chigur

anton_chigur — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:27:11 +0000

mjq says:
July 8, 2009 5:56 PM
A. What am i missing?
B. I haven’t seen the crime scene.
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Answer A. your brain….
Comment B. wow that’s shocking because I would have expected the NPD to invite a world-renowned investigator like you to come right over and help them solve this highly complex case….You idiot…

By: anton_chigur

anton_chigur — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:18:29 +0000

snoopysnoopy says:
July 9, 2009 12:22 AM
The girl didn’t kill anyone. This is another case of the cops trying to pin it someone who can’t speak for themself.
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You might want to stick to playing your piano and avoid playing private DICK…

By: anton_chigur

anton_chigur — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 05:20:57 +0000

flOREO,
I know that is has become popular to blame George Bush for anything bad that happens so I am waiting for you to put this one on him…
That would make as much sense as the rest of your conspiracy theory…

By: northstars

northstars — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 03:38:44 +0000

thanks, florio for telling it like it is. these morons on this site swallow every thing they hear hook , line, and sinker. that cop is guilty as sin

By: Paul_R.

Paul_R. — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:18:48 +0000

Hey Florio! The police said that they believe McNair was asleep when he was shot. But, what time was it that his friend Crow arranged a ride home for him from the Blue Moon Lagoon?
http://nashvillecitypaper.com/content/city-news/friends-paint-picture-mcnair-s-final-hours
“One of those in attendance at Blue Moon Lagoon was McNair’s close friend Doug Crow. Crow is co-owner of popular Nashville restaurants, including The Crow’s Nest, The Corner Pub in the Woods, The Alley and Dalton’s in Bellevue and The Corner Pub in Midtown.
Multiple attempts to reach Crow have been unsuccessful and friends tell NashvillePost.com that he has been “shattered” by the loss of what they called “his best friend Steve McNair.”
Sources say that when McNair finally left the Blue Moon Lagoon in the early hours of July 4, Crow had a driver take McNair home. They say that the driver took McNair home alone.”
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What time does the police think McNair was killed? Did he go home and just fall asleep?
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http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bal-md.sp.mcnairjul07,0,6421648.story
“A witness saw McNair arrive at the condo between 1:30 a.m. and 2 a.m. Saturday and that Kazemi’s Escalade was there.”
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Florio, I think I read somewhere where they estimated the time of death, but I don’t recall where. Maybe you can find it.

By: Paul_R.

Paul_R. — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:19:31 +0000

A couple of days ago, the police spokesman said that the police were “communicating with the internet companies” about the Jett Jackson MySpace page that showed a “last log in” date of July 2, but which also had the “R.I.P. Sahel Kazemi” message.
Websites and all of their associated files are stored on servers, all of which have an internal clock. No matter what time and date someone else’s computer may have, the time and date of the server will be recorded when that server is accessed. Servers do not access the time and date of the device that is accessing it.
I cannot intentionally change the time and date on my computer, access MySpace (or any other website) and have it record the incorrect date and time of my computer. It is not possible.
The police, in order to “communicate” with MySpace, must get a subpoena from a judge. That gives the police the legal right to contact a company and request files and/or other information. So, for the Nashville police department to communicate with MySpace or other companies, they must have gone to a judge and received the subpoena. Yet, they have not spoken about this. What was the result of their request? What information was provided?
Next, Norfleet has proven that he is an insecure, jealous, and angry person. While Kazemi showed that she could leave him, he has shown that he cannot let go of her. As was brought out, it got to a point in January where she felt that she needed to call 911 against him. He finds her in the hours after she was arrested for the DUI and bailed out by McNair. She was arrested between 1:00 A.M. and 1:30 A.M. on Thursday, July 2. Being bailed out doesn’t happen 15 minutes later. It could take two or more hours or even longer.
She is bailed out, probably sometime after 3:00 A.M. on Thursday by McNair. What happened next? Common sense would say that he brought her home to the condo. Maybe afterwards he fell asleep. But, obviously, she didn’t. Did she call Norfleet later? Or, was he just “in the neighborhood” and dropped by? He sent an email to one of the newspapers after the DUI. What time was that sent? From which computer was it sent?
She, obviously, leaves the condo and goes to Dave and Busters to meet the person who sells her the gun. Where is Norfleet during this time? If she was with him in the hours after she was bailed out of jail, did he leave her at the condo or go somewhere else with her and then leave? And, who is awake and taking a call from someone in the early hours of Thursday morning and then willing to meet that person at Dave and Busters and, coincidently, also has a gun with him/her that he/she can sell to Kazemi on the spot?
It may be that Kazemi killed McNair. But, these are still questions that haven’t been answered. And, all of these things take time. If she’s arrested a short time after 1:00 A.M., she could be bailed out sometime after 2:00 A.M. But, this also depends on how long it takes for them to get her to the police station and process her. Meanwhile, McNair takes a taxi home. He was also under the influence. But, he bails her out. Did he drive or was he driven there by a friend or take a taxi? The police would likely not release her into his custody if he were still intoxicated.
So, how long does it take for this process of her being arrested and subsequently bailed out by McNair? Then, going back to the condo, Kazemi meeting Norfleet, how long they were together, her calling the unnamed gun seller and meeting him/her at Dave and Busters. Was this at 4:00 or 5:00 or 6:00 A.M.? What was the reason this person was willing to go out and meet Kazemi at such an hour?
Kazemi buys a gun. Did she buy bullets for it at the same time? If she has a loaded gun, why didn’t she kill McNair after she returned to the condo after she bought the gun? Or, did she go to a gun store and buy bullets? If it is illegal for a dealer to sell a gun to someone under the age of 21, is it also illegal to sell bullets to someone under the age of 21? What will the police reveal and do about this gun seller?

By: Mike K

Mike K — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:18:12 +0000

Wow, Florio…maybe you could actually watch this stuff instead of just making sh** up based off of rumor and fantasy.
BTW…left hand – right forehead:
Left hand used to stabilize shaky/weak right hand. Trigger pulled with either left thumb or more likely right index. Nothing suspicious…no magic bullet…just an immature, jealous, possibly alcohol/drug impaired woman. Also firing 3 additional times into an already dead body is fairly “passionate”.

By: texasPHINSfan

texasPHINSfan — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 11:40:32 +0000

i’m with you florio. something doesn’t smell right. if she was filled with strange thoughts & was suicidal, that doesn’t explain the manner/method McNair was shot (seemed to be more methodical, less passion-filled), and the way she was shot (right temple? gun residue on left hand? and she was right handed?)
too many things don’t add up. i’m guessing the police have no proof of any other scenario and are reluctant to leave it unsolved? technically the proof is that she did it i guess, but i don’t know if i buy that. too much stink around this one

By: -RoNiN-

-RoNiN- — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:26:58 +0000

Hey Florio.. check the usage on the “realitypolice” account.. i’m willing to bet the “im out” comment was just an empty threat.. when you confirm that it was.. call him out on it!! Like a damn kid threatening to hold their breath forever!! LOL

By: cromartie

cromartie — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 04:01:06 +0000

There’s no sign anywhere on Dave and Buster’s property that says “Buy a Gun Here”.
Nonsense, Florio. In Tennessee, a gun at Dave and Busters is only what, 1100 tickets?

By: Lucky5927

Lucky5927 — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:54:53 +0000

Legal sells do not happen in parking lots.

By: rpf2701

rpf2701 — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:35:41 +0000

What could have so terrified Kazemi on Thursday night to the point of putting a gun to the head of a sleeping man?

By: snoopysnoopy

snoopysnoopy — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:22:22 +0000

The girl didn’t kill anyone. This is another case of the cops trying to pin it someone who can’t speak for themself.
You don’t shoot yourself in the right temple with your left hand.
You don’t wait nearly an hour to call cops after you find dead people (unless there is something you need to hide first)
You don’t shoot five rounds from a high powered pistol and no one in the condo complex hears a thing.
COP LIE. OFTEN TO COVER THEIR OWN SCREW-UPS.

By: Tungs

Tungs — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:17:48 +0000

I wouldn’t put it past the Chief of Police Serpas of not wanting to investigate further. He has covered up a few issues that his son has run into here in Nashville. One of them being a DUI I think. The officers that I know and have spoken to don’t care for him. They expected him to be removed when the new mayor was elected, but that never happened.

By: Real Football Fan

Real Football Fan — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:14:55 +0000

i’d also like to know who the friends are putting forth the notion that she was suicidal. Again, listening to WGFX in nashville, only the opposite has been put forth by local observers, even some of those witness to the two of them around town and/or friendly with kazemi. One chick even said that she works at one of Kazemi’s former places of employ with many friends of kazemi and spoke with her less than 3 weeks earlier when they came into that restaurant during the middle of the day. Only the opposite about the woman’s mind state kept coming through these people calling in.
so who are these people contradicting all the accounts I heard locally? Northfleet? I hope he wasn’t the “people” telling the cops that she was spinning out of control. Clearly, he has some feminine tendencies judging from his inability to get over this woman, continuing to remain heavily involved with a woman that wasn’t exclusive to him anymore and sending that bizarre e-mail to the local media.

By: titansfan78

titansfan78 — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:18:38 +0000

GOD BLESS YOU MIKE FLORIO. The local police have botched this investigation from the start and now they want the publicity to go away. The biggest mistake they make is they believe everything people tell them. The ex boyfriend says “closed casket” isnt about mcnair and they believe him. The guys who found the bodies said they panicked and forgot the number for “911″ and they believe them too. You asked important questions and the police dont want to give the public any answers.
They should have never let the ex boyfriend leave the first time he came to the cops. They also needed to ask the two men who beat the cops there why it took so long to call. What did they remove from the house before the cops could show up? Maybe they took away a suicide note. Why are they protecting the indentity of the gun seller? He feels like it was a legal sell and its his right to carry and sell so he should want the extra business his name being released would offer.

By: Titans1000

Titans1000 — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:17:22 +0000

Oh really she was going to “end it all.” LMAO. Really for 3 or 4 days they say they will never really know why this happened and had no motive to go and then all of a sudden these people come out the wood-work to tell the cops well yeah she did mention she wanted to kill herself. lol YEAH RIGHT. As soon as someone says they wanted to , “end it all.” I would have taken their word and had it ruled a murder-suicide from the get-go, forget tests!! There’s our motive but cops didnt do that did they? They werent sure. Maybe she meant end it all with McNair and leave him the boyfriend did mention that she had thoughts of going back to him… just a thought.

By: Winston Wolfe

Winston Wolfe — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:44:59 +0000

The answer is simple, if she was facing McNair when she shot him in the right temple, it was likely done with her left hand. It would be very awkward when facing a person to shoot them in the right temple with your right hand. And that would explain the residue on the left hand.

By: EShine

EShine — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:44:47 +0000

I can’t believe the time I have wasted on this site on this story. Ridiculous.
I just read on WashingtonPost.com that they have surveilence video from the condo. They would have seen a Keith, his D-Bag friend, or OJ leaving that building.
What a joke this has become. Just because every question isnt answered like it is on tV doesnt mean the police didnt get it right. THERE WERE NO WITNESSES DURING THE INCIDENT, SO THEY HAVE TO WORK WITH WHAT THEY HAVE.
Maybe the world should turn into 1984 so you jackasses can sleep better at night knowing that Big Brother knows everything that goes on.

By: MkePackFan

MkePackFan — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:39:25 +0000

People keep saying it’s stupid it’s hard to use your “off-hand” to shoot yourself….there are people who are ambidexterous.
Second, if you heard the press conference, they think McNair was asleep (he was found on the couch)…hard to miss so toss your “inaccurate shootings” theory.
Last, why do people think she has no experience with a gun?
Oh, and finally, with the cops having interviewed friends of hers and those friends saying she was going to “end it all” why is the suicide concept so hard to grasp? Everything points to it…she bought a 2nd hand gun, she found out McNair was seeing another woman (McNair’s wife probably), was in financial hell (they co-bought a car but obviously didn’t pay for all of it or she’s paying the insurance on it – an Escalade), etc….too much facts for this to be waving around wild conspiracy theories.

By: Eddie Drycleaner

Eddie Drycleaner — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:32:49 +0000

Good job Mike. You’re absolutely right that a lot of things just don’t make sense about this. Of course somehow we’ve turned into a website of crazy angry commentors. I like how you don’t let them detract you. I will try to not be so sensitive myself.
Appreciate your passion Mikey!(That’s what she said)

By: Moosechem

Moosechem — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:27:24 +0000

This tragic story will have legs well past today’s Nashville police update. More details are sure to come out over the next several weeks. None of these details will enhance the reputation of Steve McNair and will only detract from the good guy reputation he had cultivated as a human being. Sad but true but his straying nature with other women (as has been reported) has directly led to his death at 36.
The tabloids (and Florio of course) will continue to sniff around, hopefully fact check, and postulate their theories at supermarket check-out counters (or this latest News and Rumors Section) . We the readers can believe what we want to believe.
The bottom line is that irrational (crazy) people do crazy things that sane people can’t possibly fathom. Sexual jealously and/or money problems result in murders and suicide all the time in this country. No different in this case. What caused her to snap? We may never know why but we are free to speculate.
Reading the threads on Florio’s posts over this murder/suicide since last weekend have been interesting to read including all the wild speculation and conspiracy theories.
More information is sure to come out. Just wait and see.
R.I.P. McNair and Kazemi

By: Kidekk

Kidekk — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:27:22 +0000

@Ahmatek,
While I realize that she may have killed herself by using her right hand and that blood that may have covered her right hand would make it hard/impossible to test it, I too was wondering how she would have killed herself with her left hand. I don’t understand why it would be hard for someone to suggest she turned her head and shot herself, considering: a) what makes that action (turning her head) more inconceiveable than her murdering Steve McNair, and then killing herself? You’re ready to rule out something like her turning her head in order to use her left hand when she obviously (given what we know) had some break from reality in order to do what she did? While I don’t believe that she turned her head, to call people stupid or idiotic for suggesting that she might have done that is pretty stupid considering the numer of ways that people have killed themselves throughout history, and the fact that everybody she knew is saying that she wasn’t capable of doing that, yet, just like in many cases, she did do it. So a little detail like her turning her head to shoot her self (which was/is speculation like the majority of things that people are saying on this site) is not really unfathomable considering the scope of what she did (based on the what the police said).

By: Yamaret

Yamaret — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:54:44 +0000

Yes Kurtz, it is the simplest explanation. If it’s not, then what is? Oh yeah, you neglected to enlighten us as to what that might be.
It was her gun. Residue on her hand. The door is locked from the inside. She was under the impression that McNair was leaving his wife for her but there is no indication that he intended to actually do so. He may well have been breaking it off after the DUI incident. But I don’t know. And neither do you.
Where are you getting all of your specific details of the crime scene? Have you been there? Are you a criminologist? A detective? Have you interviewed those involved? Do you have some magical insight beyond what has been published in the media?
Kurtz, you come across as an angry little twerp. Its amusing that you are bitching that other readers are bitching. Bitch, bitch, bitch.
Regards,
“The Guy”

By: JoeSchmoe

JoeSchmoe — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:34:28 +0000

And how in the world would this girl be soooo angry with McNair over a DUI stop that she wanted to kill him? Over a DUI?
And on top of that, if she’s sooooo angry that she wants to cap him in the manner that she did… would she really want to clip herself so that when she’s found she wants to be found lying in his lap, because she just loved him soooo much?
And to all you haters out there who want to say “go back to your day job Florio and you conspiracy theorists”, just because I’m not a cop, doesn’t mean I couldn’t be one. No disrespect to the GOOD law enforcement we have working our cities and streets, but it doesn’t take much to become a cop, so I’m sorry but don’t think that we non-cops have some sort of inferior analytical skills.
This shizz doesn’t add up man!!!!

By: JoeSchmoe

JoeSchmoe — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:27:49 +0000

@ “the_dude”
What’s so hard to believe about the possibility that she went crying back to her ex who rapped about killing an old man having an affair with a young girl and him then GOING WITH HER UP TO THE APARTMENT (ESCORTED, NOT LIKE A NINJA or “PROFESSIONAL” as you suggest) killing him, and then killing her because she might not have realized that’s what he was actually going to do and she flipped out and he needed to do her in (also out of jealousy because she was bangin’ McNair, not him) and then he left after covering evertything up by squeezing one shot out of her left hand?
How hard is it really to fathom the simple notion that some smooth talkin rapper wannabe talked his emotional ex-girlfriend into letting him go up to the apartment to help her vent or whatever on McNair by threatening or even simply talking to McNair about how wrong it was for him to leave her at the DUI stop? And all the while he had his own true intentions of following thru on the psychotic mentality that he clearly voiced in his own raps?
Everyone is acting like you have to be a genius to do this (the ninja killing spree – which is laughable), or a moron to do that (email the Tennessean)… but in reality, this is pretty easy to fathom overall. Why are you all so skeptical?
NO. WAY. THE. CHICK. DID. IT. PERIOD!

By: kurtz

kurtz — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:19:55 +0000

A couple things. First, most of you commenters bitching about this story being on the site–get a life. It is interesting to some of us and there is this magic thing on the right side of your browser window. It is called a scroll bar. Use it. Or you can use the down arrow. Or the wheel on your mouse. Or your trackpad. Many options to skip the story. I skip most of the stories that deal with the contracts of 7th round picks, but I don’t bitch that they are on here.
Second, murder police are under pressure to do their jobs. Their bosses are under pressure to keep the clearance rate above a certain amount. This pressure goes up exponentially when the victim is famous. Also cops are not infallible. They’re not all dirty and opportunistic, but they are not all competent and ethical either.
Third turning your head to shoot yourself in the temple on the opposite side of your body. What? Give me a break. Dumb. And for the guy who posted “Occam’s Razor,” This explanation seems the simplist to you? Yeah, sure.
Fourth, one criticism of Florio, motive usually is of little concern to investigators. In this case it would make sense perhaps, but usually they focus on evidence at the scene or from witnesses.
Fifth, @methomps: ” are just too conditioned from tv and movies to think that minor issues here and there are keys that will unlock a winding and twisting conspiracy of grand proportions.”
Read a little about murder investigations then speak. Details such as a drinking glass sitting further from the sink than the others have solved crimes. Or the detail in a photo–a dude with black hair had blonde eyebrows. These examples don’t come from TV or movies, but reading. Before you post, make sure you’re not ignorant about the subject you post on.
Sixth, @MkePackFan. You’re an idiot. Rage/Anger tend to make people shoot inaccurately. The lack of stippling on the wound suggests the shots were fired from further away. As others have brought up, a novice shooter, filled with rage, goes 4/4. Then plans out dying in his lap.
The official story may be true, but it seems more than fishy enough to question it without getting accused of wearing a “tin foil hat.” Especially with so much shadiness surrounding the woman.

By: JoeSchmoe

JoeSchmoe — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:12:56 +0000

I’m with Florio here… something is rotten in Denmark.
Here’s my question. IF there was “too much blood on the right hand to do a GSR”, ummmm…….. wouldn’t there be a whole bunch of blood on the trigger of the gun too? Is it stated that there was anywhere? No way she uses her left (off hand) to pull the trigger at her temple on the right side. Not buying that whatsoever. Even her turning her head… why would she have taken extra effort rather than just shoot her left temple?
And we’re supposed to believe the Romeo and Juliet-esque ending that this 20 year old planned out? A 20 year old (who isn’t even old enough to have seen the Leo DeCraprio movie version) had such a romantic way about her that this is how she envisioned it would play out? Gimme a friggin break! That’s really one romantic ass love story right there! /sarcasm
I’m most concerned with the GSR oversight though. Am I missing something there??? Blood on the trigger and handle of the gun might help me believe that a little more. Can I get clarity on that? And the order in which shots are fired don’t add up anyway.
Something is rotten in Denmark.

By: swoopnc

swoopnc — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:11:39 +0000

sim448 says: SHE NEVER SHOT A GUN AND SHE CALMLY CLIPS HIM? NO WAY.
How do you know that she has never shot a gun???