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Should Steve McNair Land In The Hall Of Fame?

Jamison Hensley of the Baltimore Sun polled 24 of the 44 Hall of Fame voters regarding the question of whether quarterback Steve McNair’s career merits a bronze bust in Canton.

Of the 24, 17 said no.

“I didn’t consider McNair a Hall of Fame candidate before he died and don’t consider him one now,” Paul Domowitch of the Philadelphia Daily News told Hensley.  “His numbers are nowhere close to being Hall of Fame-worthy.

Though we’re not sure that McNair’s statistics justify enshrinement, Domowitch is flat wrong to suggest that McNair’s numbers are “nowhere close.”

His numbers are similar to Kurt Warner’s, actually better in several respects. 

And conventional wisdom is that Warner is a lot closer than “nowhere close” to getting in.

For his career, McNair threw 4,544 passes and completed 2,733 of them.  Warner has thrown only 3,557, completing only 2,327.

Warner has generated 28,951 yards passing; McNair finished with 31,304.

Warner has 182 touchdown passes.  McNair had 174.

But then there are the rushing numbers.  Warner has plodded for a whopping (eye roll) 276 yards in his entire career, good for a 1.8-yard average.  He has scored three touchdowns on the ground. 

McNair, on the other hand, rushed for 3,590 yards — good for an impressive 5.4-yard rate.

And McNair scored 37 touchdowns with his legs.

Then there’s the reality that (as ESPN pointed out the other day) McNair is one of only three quarterbacks to throw for more than 30,000 yards and to rush for more than 3,500, joining Steve Young and Fran Tarkenton.  (They both are in Canton.)

Of course, Warner is a two-time NFL MVP, and he has taken his team to the Super Bowl three times, winning once.  McNair had only one trip to the Super Bowl.

But shouldn’t consideration also be given to what the men had to work with?  In St. Louis, Warner had Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt.  In Arizona, he has Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin.

In Tennessee and Baltimore, McNair had Derrick Mason and a revolving door of mediocrity.

And what about toughness?  The first phase of Warner’s career disintegrated into plenty of time on the bench because his head and/or his hand couldn’t handle some of the big hits he started to take.  McNair took big hits constantly, and we never saw his performances dip because of it.

That said, we’re not sure whether McNair ultimately should get in.  The passing numbers aren’t good enough; we’ve made that case previously regarding Warner’s stats.  But the underrated rushing totals get McNair a heckuvalot closer than Domowitch’s “nowhere close” assessment. 

Besides, let’s not forget that the process is inherently subjective, with individual sports journalists “making the case,” lawyer-style,  for every candidate — and individual sports journalists casting votes as to whether each guy gets in.  There’s a chance that, when McNair is first eligible for discussion, the stew of emotions and considerations could prompt the humans who’ll decide the matter to regard McNair based on a blend of very good statistics, a high degree of likeability, and a tragic end to his life that more than outweighs any flaws he had.  (That stuff at the end isn’t supposed to count, and we’d believe that it doesn’t if robots and computers did the voting.)

As Dan Pompei of the Chicago Tribune told Hensley, “If you base it on production and achievement alone, it might be
difficult to make a case for McNair being a Hall of Famer.  But if you consider the intangibles he brought to his teams, he becomes a more legitimate candidate.”

And we agree.  Time will tell as to whether Steve McNair gets in.  But he definitely is a legitimate candidate, and anyone who thinks he doesn’t even merit serious consideration shouldn’t hold one of the 44 votes.
  

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69 Responses to “Should Steve McNair Land In The Hall Of Fame?”
  1. buckeye044 says: Jul 8, 2009 8:34 AM

    When you think “Hall of Fame Quarterback”, Steve McNair doesn’t come to mind. Putting him in would cheapen the accomplishments of others.

  2. KingJoe! says: Jul 8, 2009 8:38 AM

    NO.

  3. certaincoachditka says: Jul 8, 2009 8:39 AM

    No.

  4. ninerblitz says: Jul 8, 2009 8:41 AM

    I think McNair needed to win the big one, that combined with his numbers could have put him in. He was a great talent. But he doesn’t get my vote to get in.

  5. BrenstonBuckner says: Jul 8, 2009 8:42 AM

    He’s got my vote for The Parasailing HOF…..

  6. Akron Rules says: Jul 8, 2009 8:43 AM

    Seriously? One voter says McNair’s numbers aren’t even close, so that statement is extrapolated and twisted into “he doesn’t even merit serious consideration” for which he should have his vote taken? What a bunch of hackery. Steve McNair was an above average QB, and if he goes in, I imagine Randall Cunningham (29979 yards passing, 4928 rushing) will be right behind him.

  7. seriously says: Jul 8, 2009 8:44 AM

    I think its a close call too. Im not so sure he gets in. He was a great QB though.

  8. smiley says: Jul 8, 2009 8:44 AM

    I think they put too many guys into the Hall of Fame to begin with…..admitting 4-6 in every year is ridiculous.

  9. samh says: Jul 8, 2009 8:45 AM

    Put him in the Hal of Very Very Good if you want.
    But look at the other QBs (forget all the other positions) of his era that will go in ahead of him, and then try and justify his HOF candidacy.

  10. Mandingo52 says: Jul 8, 2009 8:47 AM

    WTF?!?!? That is really all I have to say about this one. Amazing

  11. darrius_heyward-bey-butterfingers says: Jul 8, 2009 8:51 AM

    My initial reaction to the headline was of course he shouldn’t be considered. Then I read the post and saw how difficult it is to make a straight-faced argument for McNair. So definitely still a big fat no.

  12. Bigdave720 says: Jul 8, 2009 8:51 AM

    I agree with buckeye044. It seems to me that we’re dangerously close to slipping on down the slippery slope towards diluting the HOF anyway. Need to try to keep Canton reserved for the greatest of all time.
    I really appreciate Florio’s last statement though. Thanks for putting it out there dude.

  13. tkebean says: Jul 8, 2009 8:53 AM

    Their numbers aren’t that close when you break them down a bit….
    Yards per Attempt
    Warner – 8.1
    McNair – 6.9
    Completion Percentage
    Warner – 65.4%
    McNair – 60.1%
    Warner has over a 5% better completion percentage and a over a yard more attempt. And Warner has 8 more passing TDs with 987 less attempts. These numbers are only going to widen with Warner chucking the ball to Fitz and Boldin for another year or two. Their numbers aren’t that close.
    I never thought of McNair as a hall of fame quarterback before this tragedy and this tragedy shouldn’t change that.
    McNair belongs in the Hall of Very Good…oh wait, that doesn’t exist.

  14. hayward giablommi says: Jul 8, 2009 8:55 AM

    Even with his death
    Untimely as it may be
    He doesn’t make it

  15. goose08 says: Jul 8, 2009 8:55 AM

    McNair was one tough sob, and I always hated when the Steelers had to go againt him. That being said he isn’t a hof qb, and Florio, HE ISN’T CLOSE.
    3 probowls and 0 lombardis doesn’t = a hof career.
    Tarkenton played 18 years, missed only 8 games and had almost 50k passing yards & 350 tds, nice job comparing him and mcnair.
    Listen McNair was a tough player who everyone respected, but let’s leave it at that and not throw him into hof talks because of his tragic death.

  16. GB3Pack4 says: Jul 8, 2009 8:57 AM

    As with any retired major player, when Steve retired, there was a lot of back-and-forth about him and the HOF, and to me it appeared about 90:1 against. Expect that rational analysis would produce same results now.

  17. Marty says: Jul 8, 2009 9:00 AM

    Warner wouldnt be concidered for the HOF either if he didnt have the Super Bowl experience. And that includes this year.
    Also, is toughness all about playing hurt?
    Or is toughness, not getting hurt in the first place, or getting hurt and not telling anybody and not hyping it up.
    Jim Kelly was tough, Mcnair was injury prone, and every little bump, the media had to know about it and talk about it. It brings a team down to have to focus on every little cut or bruise, thats what McNair did.

  18. Raven Dark says: Jul 8, 2009 9:06 AM

    If McNair doesn’t get in then Warner doesn’t get in. After all there numbers are similar right?

  19. FinFan says: Jul 8, 2009 9:10 AM

    Are you kidding me? Whos next on this hall of fame wish list? Rodney Pete? Leftwich? Kordell Stewart? McNabb?
    Cut me a break

  20. Display Name says: Jul 8, 2009 9:11 AM

    No, he shouldn’t make the Hall of Fame. Not based on being a murder victim.
    You mantion the stats of Warner and McNair but don’t give the full picture. McNair had ok Stats but nothing ‘out of this world’.
    McNair’s completion percentage was 60.15%, Warner’s is 65.42%.
    McNair’s Yards per Attmpt were 6.89, Warner’s is 8.04.
    McNair’s TD% was 3.83%, Warners is 5.12%.
    McNair’s Passer rating was 82.76, Warner’s is 93.79.
    McNair played for 13 years, Warner 11 years.
    McNair played in 161 games, Warner 109.
    As for the ’30,000 yds passing and 3,000 rushing’ stat, it’s really meaningless.
    Randall Cunningham passed for 29,979 and rushed for 4,928 yards accounting for a combined 34,907 yds passing and rushing while McNair passed for 31,304 yds and rushed for 3,590 accounting for a combined 34,894 yds.
    Why aren’t you pushing for Randall Cunningham to get into the Hall of Fame? He has more combined yards. His passer rating is comperable to McNair’s at 81.5, his average per attempt is better at 7 yards per attempt and his TD percentage is better at 4.8%. The only stat that’s lower is completion percentage at 56.6% and that’s less than 4% difference from McNair.
    So where’s your article demanding Cunningham be in the HOF?
    Also, since you mention the 30,000/3,000 rule. Look at McNabb’s stats. In only 134 games (10 years) McNabb has 29,320 yards passing and 3,109 yards rushing for a combined number of 32,429 yards.
    McNabb’s passer rating is higher at 85.9, his Interception ratio is lower at 2.09% vs. 2.62% for McNair and McNabb’s TD percentage is higher at 4.50%.
    So will you be demanding that McNabb be inducted as well?
    Try not to be so flip when you’re pretending to be a “journalist”. Do a little research first and understand the subject of which you’re ‘writing’.

  21. Kenny Vendetta says: Jul 8, 2009 9:13 AM

    I hate hearing how Warner is only good because of his receivers. Both the Rams and the Cardinals were terrible before he joined those clubs and he led them to the Superbowl.
    McNair is a fun player to watch but he does not deserve HOF consideration.

  22. Titans Fan says: Jul 8, 2009 9:13 AM

    I am a Titans fan and love Steve McNair. However, I don’t think he should be in the Hall of Fame. I think he is one yard short. If Dyson had gotten that extra yard in the Superbowl, then they might have won. Then he would had a SB victory and most likely SB MVP to add to his credentials. Then maybe he could get in. But as it stands, no.

  23. Mark says: Jul 8, 2009 9:15 AM

    I’ll name another QB that should be in before McNair. Kenny Anderson of the Cincinnati Bengals. Hate the Bengals or love them, Anderson was a hell of a QB who’s numbers speak for themselves. No disrepect to McNair, but NO. His death shouldn’t garner some automatic enshrinement into the Hall.

  24. swervinmervin says: Jul 8, 2009 9:15 AM

    Forget the numbers. Its all about what the crooked voters want.
    Otherwise, guys like Swann and Griese would NOT be in. Loo at the numbers – tell me how Griese is in and Stabler isnt. Their numbers are almost identical. Fact is – the voters dont like Stabler.
    And Swann – his numbers are down right awful. Even with the 4 rings and nice games he had in the SB, there is no reason he should be in the Hall. But once again, among the crooked voters there are a ton of Steeler lovers.
    Like I said, forget the numbers, if the voters want McNAir in – het gets in.
    There needs to be a new system in place. These hack voters suck.

  25. jwinn006 says: Jul 8, 2009 9:16 AM

    I’m not convinced either that McNair is Hall of Fame worthy. When he reitred that was the big debate, and I said no, even though he is one of my favorite quarterbacks because of his toughness. However, if Lynn Swann can get in with his below average stats, then McNair AND Warner can get in.

  26. Burritto says: Jul 8, 2009 9:22 AM

    He deserves consideration, but I don’t think he makes the cut.
    What I think the bottom line is, is that anyone who firmly believes McNair should be in is someone who is overcompensating for the whole “grit and determination” thing. Sure, he deserves tons of credit for playing in the condition that he did, but it doesn’t catapult a good player to HOFdom.

  27. zygi milf says: Jul 8, 2009 9:22 AM

    If he hadn’t just died, and if it was April 1, I would have thought this was an April Fool’s joke.
    Not even close.
    (And Warner doesn’t deserve to be in the Hall, either)

  28. Maverick says: Jul 8, 2009 9:24 AM

    No. If he had not come to a tragic untimely end, he would not even be seriously considered.
    He was a GOOD quarterback but not a GREAT one and if he IS elected it will be based on emotion and not accomplishments.

  29. pitch87mph says: Jul 8, 2009 9:28 AM

    Biggest difference when comparing these two is simply the fact that Kurt Warner has been DOMINANT for at least three full seasons of his career — and an argument could be made he was VERY GOOD for a few more. McNair wasn’t even that dominant in his MVP year–he was merely VERY GOOD. The fact he “shared” his only MVP with the guy who truly deserved it that season, is all one needs to know about his HOF credentials. At the tail end of his career, Warner took a moribund franchise to the Super Bowl–nearly beating arguably the NFL’s best franchise. Steve McNair at the end of his career couldn’t get his team to win a HOME playoff games against what had been one of the league’s WORST defenses for a playoff team in the history of the league (and McNair had one of the best defenses the league has seen). Sorry. McNair isn’t close! The “insider” has it right.

  30. MNRunLeft says: Jul 8, 2009 9:29 AM

    I personally don’t think McNair or Warner should be in the HOF, that kind of honor should be for the elite of the elite.

  31. alewatcher says: Jul 8, 2009 9:32 AM

    There are certainly players far less deserving of the HOF already enshrined. (Warren Moon, I’m looking at you).
    McNair is borderline, but he could get in.

  32. Deacon Blues says: Jul 8, 2009 9:32 AM

    Wow, we have another suspect, Florio was sleeping with McNair too…………

  33. bbq says: Jul 8, 2009 9:34 AM

    I was thinking about this myself just yesterday.
    The thing is, you can’t base Hall of Fame candidacy on numbers alone. That’s idiotic. Steve McNair may be the last great running QB we see for a while except Donovan McNabb, who doesn’t make as many plays with his feet anymore. Additionally, the winning presence McNair brought to his teams was practically untouchable.
    I can understand him not going in, and I don’t really expect him to… but it wouldn’t upset me either.

  34. DC_Bengals_Fan says: Jul 8, 2009 9:34 AM

    I say no to both. McNair was never the best QB in the league; closest was when he split the MVP with Manning in 2003. That said, his career was more consistent than warner. Warner was briefly the best QB, but he had a stretch of about 5 years (at least) that would be embarassing by HOF standards.
    Warner’s case is particularly damaged by the fact that he’s only been good when surrounded by a WR corps that is hands down the best in the league (Rams then, AZ now).
    There are many QBs who were significantly better than either who aren’t in.

  35. favrecansuckit says: Jul 8, 2009 9:58 AM

    No.
    HOF voting is a joke as it is, this would make it even more ridiculous.

  36. clintdogg says: Jul 8, 2009 9:59 AM

    I’m in the camp that thinks the HoF is more like the Hall of Pretty Good. I personally don’t think guys on the cusp should get in…. but they do. That being said, McNair is just as deserving as some of the other guys that were just good enough to squeek in, and regardless of his death, he reinvented the bootleg scramble and the guy should share the all-time iron man award with Brett Favre.

  37. mustbechris says: Jul 8, 2009 10:03 AM

    I wish we could still rate posts. Hayward easily gets a 5 for making a haiku.
    McNair was a very good quarterback. The Hall is for the players who are great. McNair isn’t great (and neither is Warner…). For the person who mentioned Randall earlier, he wasn’t great either. He was very good, but he wasn’t great.
    Let’s face it, the bottom line is the players for each generation that make it to the Hall are compared with the other players of their time. Steve Young and Fran Tarkenton were some of the best players of their time. Can you say that honestly about McNair (or Warner)? Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, and Tom Brady are the only shoo-ins for this era. How many more quarterbacks from this era can they really put in if those three are considered the best? Because the qualifications for what is considered Hall-worthy become quite diluted if you’re considering other people from the era. Guys like Brees and McNabb aren’t shoo-ins, and they’re not nearly as good as the top 3. They’re very very good quarterbacks, but if you’re gonna let them in along with the guys who are clearly the best, then what constitutes a hall of famer?
    They let too many people in each year to begin with. McNair had a good career, but was it a hall of fame career? Was he one of the greatest quarterbacks to ever play the game? The answer, quite simply, is no.

  38. Bob Nelson says: Jul 8, 2009 10:05 AM

    Not just No.
    Of his 13 season he started only 5 complete seasons. How the heck does that make him “tough”?
    He quit before he was 36 years old.
    Running because you fail to see the receiver or are too chicken to throw the ball does not make a good QB.
    To get into the Hall one should have merit and accomplishments, not adjectives.
    If Kurt Warner is borderline then Mcnair falls well short and should not be considered.

  39. PKep85 says: Jul 8, 2009 10:09 AM

    People make me chuckle.
    Florio isn’t trying to say he thinks McNair should be in, but rather that it should be considered. Come on people, read the article for what it’s saying and not what you want it to say. How stupid are you, no really. Where in that article does it say, “Steve McNair is a Hall of Fame QB who deserves to be enshrined.” I couldn’t find them, but I did find these words, which would end all of your stupid comments.
    “That said, we’re not sure whether McNair ultimately should get in.”
    Please, morons of the world, crawl back into your holes and come out when you get some common sense.

  40. igglesfan19 says: Jul 8, 2009 10:14 AM

    McNair is not a HOF QB. He was a good quarterback who had some success but never won the superbowl. I think that if he had won the superbowl after his 4th quarter drive to almost win the game he would be a borderline Hall of famer. but as it stands right now stats aren’t good enough (unless you are Dan Marino) and I don’t think any modern era QBs will make it into the HOF without a ring.

  41. Beer With Donuts says: Jul 8, 2009 10:15 AM

    I went back and looked at the draft classes from 1991-1999 to get a feel for where McNair falls in with his peers. Statistically, he falls in very closely with Mark Brunell and Donovan McNabb, but out of the list below, he shouldn’t make the HOF cut:
    In:
    Brett Favre
    Peyton Manning
    On the bubble:
    Donovan McNabb
    Drew Bledsoe
    Not In:
    Trent Dilfer
    Kerry Collins
    Steve McNair
    Mark Brunell
    Trent Green
    Brad Johnson
    Jake Plummer
    Matt Hasselbeck
    McNair, of whom I’m a fan, was a top 10 QB year in and year out while playing, but that just doesn’t translate to the Hall. You could make the Elway argument, saying that if he had gone to a pass happy team he may have had far more success, but that’s purely speculation.
    I just don’t see him getting in.

  42. Pea Tear Griffin says: Jul 8, 2009 10:17 AM

    Neither Warner or McNair belong in the Hall of Fame.
    Give them consideration, but then move on. You have to compare them to their contemporaries. Not to Fran Tarkenton.

  43. se18a29 says: Jul 8, 2009 10:23 AM

    McNair scored more times off the field than he did on. So, NO!

  44. JoeBuckSucks says: Jul 8, 2009 10:25 AM

    Someone at ESPN needs to be a little more thorough in their research, and you could have stood to take a few minutes to follow up with some research. But I know, who would ever think the WWL could ever make a mistake?
    There is at least one more member of the 30,000/3,000 club. John Elway finished his career with 3407 yards rushing, and of course much more than 30,000 passing.
    That said, McNair is not HOF worthy. One MVP award, which wasn’t even unanimous. One Super Bowl, which he didn’t win. He didn’t have the weapons Warner has had, but he was the QB of a run-first offense/stout defense team that relied on Eddie George in the late 90s/early 00s for offensive production.
    Never threw for more than 25 TDs in a single year. Only started 16 games 4 times in a 13-year career.
    In my mind, there is only one question to settle this debate: If McNair is HOF-worthy, would you then be willing to “seriously consider” Rich Gannon? His career is the most similar to McNair’s in that era.
    So that’s a No.

  45. BUNYAN says: Jul 8, 2009 10:28 AM

    Are you kidding me? The HOF voting is a joke. A guy by the name of Kenny “the Snake” Stabler should have been in the HOF along time ago. He is being black balled by the media voters because he didn’t like to talk to the press during his playing years. Guys like Jim Kelly couldn’t hold Stabler’s jock strap, yet he was voted in the HOF. The same goes for Warner, McNair, and many others.

  46. Shamrock says: Jul 8, 2009 10:33 AM

    The last 30 years have seen an explosion in offensive numbers, and too many guys are considered HoF candidates because of the rules that have allowed statistics to become inflated. Skill position players in the modern era dominate the discussions for enshrinement.
    I’d love to see a breakdown by position of the last dozen or so HoF classes. I’d bet you couldn’t field a complete team, but would have a great fantasy league squad.
    I’d like to see the HoF more balanced by position. Less QB’s, WR’s, RB’s etc. Adding players like McNair, who doesn’t stack up anywhere close to the all time greats, would skew the HoF even more toward being just an all time Fantasy league team.

  47. theonlyEAGLESfaniknow says: Jul 8, 2009 10:35 AM

    I guess I just read all of the posts and I think PKep85 nails it. Florio only said he should be considered.
    Consideration and talk of canditacy to the HOF is really in itself being enshrined into the Hall of Very Very Good. Since we all seem to agree McNair belongs there (probably with Cunningham and McNabb), then YES, he should be considered, not enshrined.
    Sheesh.

  48. JoeBuckSucks says: Jul 8, 2009 10:36 AM

    At running the risk of hijacking, PKep, everyone who has ever suited up for an NFL team is “considered” for the Hall of Fame. Freddie “The People’s Champ” Mitchell is a Hall of Fame candidate.
    What is happening here is merely the evaluation of his candidacy, or what is known as the next logical step. Ain’t nothing wrong with that.
    Thanks.

  49. titanFan says: Jul 8, 2009 10:39 AM

    I think that McNair should definetly be considered… I’m a huge Titans fan so of course my first reaction is ABSOLUTELY, but we know that he wasn’t the most amazing quarterback ever seen.
    What I want to highlight is when it was stated “But shouldn’t consideration also be given to what the men had to work with? In St. Louis, Warner had Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt. In Arizona, he has Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin. In Tennessee and Baltimore, McNair had Derrick Mason and a revolving door of mediocrity.” Thats completely true. Yes, as much as it pains me to say it Peyton Manning is a great quarterback, but look at the fantastic team he had surrounding him. Imagine what a “good” quarterback like Steve McNair would have been able to accomplish with a team like that. He could’ve won a superbowl or two in his own right with any decent talent beside him…
    And as for Bob Nelson… He wasn’t to chicken to throw the ball. Check your stats listed above. Clearly he did a lot of that. He was smart enough to know when he should and shouldn’t throw the ball, and fast/tough enough to know when he should run the ball himself.

  50. danlinker says: Jul 8, 2009 10:43 AM

    This is SO TYPICAL of Florio. First off, I am a cards fan. However, I am not saying Warner has earned his way in. I think that remains to be seen. In Warner’s defense though, I doubt he wanted to be mentioned like this, or compared to McNair right now.
    Florio is such a cards hater that he even took this opportunity to cardinal bash again. What a sick little pathetic guy Florio is. You know he has towel snap marks on his legs still from when we were all kids.
    It’s wrong to bring this up now regarding McNair. And, it’s sooooooo wrong to draw Warner into something he would want no part of. Just sick and extremely pathetic.
    Take note, Florio loves to bash the cards. I always knew that. But, I did not expect he would go this far to do it. Sad.

  51. diverdog54 says: Jul 8, 2009 10:44 AM

    I agree with Swervinmervin:
    Stabler had better numbers than Namath…and the voting is ridiculous. As big a fan as I am, over 40 years for Raiders, Howie Long was undeserving before Stabler, Dave Dalby, Ray Guy, and Cliff Branch.
    To mention McNair as a HOF candidate is in the heat of an emotional moment, but his numbers just aren’t there for this era. Stabler, for his Raider and Oiler’s seasons was a top contender until disaster of joining the Saints. I would rather see him enshrined while still alive and collecting DUI’s than see McNair.

  52. Yaz says: Jul 8, 2009 11:10 AM

    If he were still alive we would not be having this conversation.
    As good as McNair was on the field he was only one part of the team. During in his last two seasons with Tennessee his record was 7-15 (0.312) as a starter, since he left they are 31-17 (0.645). So maybe McNair was only one piece in the puzzle that lead to so much success for the franchise.
    For everyone saying what a great leader he was and talking about all his intangibles, let’s not forget one of the lessons from this tragedy is that in reality we know very little about these people and their contributions on or off the field. The only thing we know for a fact about them is their statistics on the field, everything else is speculation.

  53. researchALLwars says: Jul 8, 2009 11:10 AM

    can we create a Hall of Toughness?
    It’d be unanimous.
    R.I.P. McNair.

  54. DeuceDropper says: Jul 8, 2009 11:13 AM

    Sure, McNair deserves consideration. And yes, one can make a good case for his induction.
    However, if one’s argument against is at least equally persuasive, as is the case with McNair, I’m inclined to vote NO.
    In other words, if a candidate is borderline, that’s not good enough for me.
    I think Randall Cunningham, for one, is a marginally stronger candidate, yet he has gotten virtually zero support from the voters.

  55. grapes911 says: Jul 8, 2009 11:36 AM

    Make me down as not even close.

  56. stetai says: Jul 8, 2009 11:48 AM

    It’s funny how so many of you racist posters only compare him to other Black QB’s as if they keep separate statistics or something. But it is for that very reason why Steve McNair should be in the Hall of Fame.
    Before Steve McNair, the black QB was an aberration, a rarity, a once in awhile thing. Sure there was Doug Williams and Randall Cunningham among others, but did their appearance really “change” anything? Black athletes were still not given the helms of teams, they were still not drafted AS quarterbacks.
    That all changed when Steve McNair was picked #3 by Houston. Look at the number of Black QB’s picked before McNair and the number after. It was not coincidence. McNair made the black QB “normal”, something our older NFL fans will surely remember. McNabb, Vick (being picked #1), JaMarcus, etc. Who questioned those guys for being a “black QB” when draft time came up? Nobody, and the reason is because McNair changed that. Look at the number of Black QB’s before and after McNair’s NFL arrival and the numbers back it up.
    Sports Hall of Fame’s are more than mere statistics which is why Pete Rose isn’t in it, and McNair’s impact on the NFL is significant enough to be enshrined forever in its Hall of Fame.

  57. Mark says: Jul 8, 2009 12:06 PM

    Ok, let me try this another way:
    Who’s the QB who has been named league MVP, selected to 4 Pro Bowls, held 4 passing titles which only two other QB’s have more of, passed for over 32000 yards or better than 5000 more than Stabler, a better QB rating than Stabler, 197TD’s/160 INT’s compared to Stabler’s 194/222, with almost an indentical completion percentage as Stabler and still holds the season completion percentage record that has stood 20+ years since his retirement ??
    Kenny Anderson
    McNair ?? No disrespect and RIP, but no…

  58. Bucky24 says: Jul 8, 2009 12:07 PM

    Randall Cunningham is more deserving than McNair…and he doesnt deserve to get in. Look at the numbers!

  59. CapsLockKey says: Jul 8, 2009 12:31 PM

    No chance, unless they change the name of the place to the Hall of Pretty Good. There’s already too many QB’s in there as it is.

  60. Mark says: Jul 8, 2009 12:56 PM

    Racist posters, followed by your own admission that it’s the very reason he should be in the HOF ?? Amusing way to go about it, but ok.
    I also find it amusing you choose to give credit to McNair when there were PLENTY of other African American QB to play the game. Cunningham, Williams, Warren Moon, Cordell Stewart, Andre Ware, Vince Evans, and others to old for some today to remember. You can’t possibly think everything that makes it easy for guys like J. Russell are because of McNair. I think they all have played a part of that proud tradition. You want sad though, take a look at what Russell has done with his opportunity that was dropped in his lap. SAD !!!

  61. sandman says: Jul 8, 2009 1:17 PM

    DOMO is 100% right. not even close. Warner won a SB!! (and went to 2 others.) that’s a HUGE factor in Warner even being considered for the HoF (which isn’t a lock).
    If you have not won a SB, your stats need to be unworldly.
    And your teammates should only be a very small part of the evaluation – too tough to tell who made who better.

  62. Philtration says: Jul 8, 2009 1:36 PM

    Why compare him to Warner to justify if he belongs in the hall or not?
    The answer is no and that goes for Warner as well so what difference does it make?
    Two good QBs but not Hall of Fame material.
    Cheating on your wife and then getting shot does not make you a better player or improve your numbers just like O.J. committing a double murder did not cause his yardage to shrink.

  63. Yaz says: Jul 8, 2009 1:39 PM

    Hey Mark, Kenny Stabler isn’t in the HoF either.
    But for the sake of argument Stabler went to four conference championships and won a Super Bowl, Anderson has one conference championship and one Super Bowl loss. Snake also has a career 0.658 winning percentage compared to Anderson’s 0.529.

  64. YoMama says: Jul 8, 2009 2:02 PM

    Absolutely not. There are and have been many good players in the NFL, and he was one of them. But HOF? No way no how. This conversation is bunk. But hey, it’s fun!
    Now, back to work.

  65. The Roux says: Jul 8, 2009 2:29 PM

    The racist posters comment was funny. I agree with Mark. I live in Houston and was around for the “Luv Ya Blue” days…we had a great black QB by the name of Warren Moon. Does that name ring a bell?
    Moon had won 5 consecutive Grey Cups in the CFL along with over 21,000 yrds and 144 td’s in only 6 seasons before even hitting the NFL. He had over 49,000 yrds and 291 td’s in 17 seasons. 9 time pro bowl. If you need to compare Mc nAir to “other” black QB’s you ned to compare him to the 1st black QB ever to be enshrined and he is enshrined in both the NFL and CFL halls.
    Oh, Warren Moon also won the Rose Bowl for U of Washington and was the bowls MVP.
    I liked Mc Nair and thouhgt he was a heck of an athlete but not HOF material. Maybe if he wasn’t hurt alot of the time he could be considered.

  66. msteelers says: Jul 8, 2009 3:10 PM

    The article read more like a laundry list of reasons why Warner should not be in the hall of fame, rather than why McNair should be considered.
    McNair was great, but his accomplishments just don’t add up. Warner was good, with a couple of great seasons, but one Super Bowl win shouldn’t automatically make someone HOF worthy.

  67. kravenm3 says: Jul 8, 2009 3:42 PM

    “based on a blend of very good statistics, a high degree of likeability, and a tragic end to his life that more than outweighs any flaws he had.” Are you serious? Is it not obvious that the “tragic end to his life” came as a direct result of a huge personal flaw? No mistress = no getting shot in the head!

  68. Blitzburgh says: Jul 8, 2009 4:11 PM

    I had to read the article to believe it. Steelers all the way, but c’mon – are you kidding me? To compare McNair against Warner is a huge slap in the face to Warner.
    Someone mentioned that he was 1-2 in the Superbowl. In both losses, his DEFENSE blew the lead he gave them – end of story. He very well could have been 3-0. For my Steelers sake, I am glad he isn’t.
    He is one of the most remarkable QBs to ever walk on the field and I would be honored to have had him in Black and Gold.
    One of the other unbelievably stupid remarks I seen was Warner’s fortune to have been tied up with these “great” receivers.
    Really? And do so oh pray tell oh dopey one, exactly when and where on your fantasy football pick did you select Fitzgerald or Bruce or Hakim? That’s right, you didn’t. Because just like the rest of us, you had never heard of them until Warner came along and put their names up in the lights. How well did it work out for them once Warner left?
    I would EASILY rank Warner in the top 10 QBs of all time and could back it up and he is not even on a team I follow. Truly a remarkable QB and story, all wrapped up in one.

  69. BigH says: Jul 9, 2009 3:31 AM

    I’ve been following football – not as rabidly as many above seem to – since 1965 – I remember Milt Plum and Frank Ryan with the Browns – they won a lot of games. I do not see either Warner or McNair in the Hall of Fame. If one wants to start looking at records – why has no one mentioned Dave Krieg – look at what he did in Seattle and, if I remember correct, his stats put him up there in high company – but he played for Seattle, wasn’t drafted and, well, I opine that he is more deserving. The HOF isn’t for good or very good players, it is supposed to be for the creme de la creme.

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