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More voices line up for Vick to play quarterback only

NFL_vick_usa.jpgWe’ve been trying our best to separate our feelings regarding Mike Vick’s off-field actions (deplorable, horrific, and potentially bad enough to justify a lifetime NFL ban) from our opinions regarding his on-field abilities (still good enough to start at quarterback in the NFL).

As to the latter proposition, more and more people who have direct knowledge of Vick’s skills are throwing water on the fairly widespread notion that the second portion of his pro football career should involve a role other than every-down quarterback.

Cornerback DeAngelo Hall, who has an extensive history with Vick, thinks that Vick should still be under center on a full-time basis.

“I definitely see him as a quarterback, and I can’t see him as anything else,” Hall recently told Bryan McGovern and Dean Dalton of Sirius NFL Radio’s Late Hits.  “I don’t know if I’m just blinded and I got my blockers on because that’s all I’ve known him as, but his brother was actually a heck of an athlete, too.  When I was at Virginia Tech, they played him at receiver and he caught a couple of touchdowns in a bowl game, so he’s definitely, I think, a little bit more athletic as far as playing other positions than Mike is. 

“But I definitely see Mike as strictly a quarterback.  And anytime you’ve been to [three] Pro Bowls as a quarterback, I think it’s pretty safe to say you know what you’re doing.”

In our view, some of the folks who believe he should not play quarterback only might be allowing their feelings regarding his criminal misconduct to cloud their assessment of his football skills. 

And, trust us, it’s not easy to keep those two things separate.

That said, there’s still no guarantee that he’s getting back in.  Though we suspect that the recent report from ESPN’s Chris Mortensen and Sal Paolantonio of a conditional reinstatement as soon as next week is right on the money, Vick still needs to be contrite, remorseful, and most importantly truthful when meeting with NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell.

Vick already has lied to Goodell.  And, when they meet, Goodell undoubtedly will ask Vick questions to which Goodell already knows the answer.  And if Vick fails to tell the whole truth even one time, Goodell rightly should shut him down for at least a full year.

The key moving forward is whether Vick can be trusted not to get in trouble again.  Unless he’s willing to embrace fully and completely his past actions, it’s simply not safe to conclude that he has sufficiently changed.
 

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  1. SteveC says: Jul 22, 2009 7:46 AM

    “In our view, some of the folks who believe he should not play quarterback only might be allowing their feelings regarding his criminal misconduct to cloud their assessment of his football skills. ”
    I couldn’t have said it any better. This is the underlying factor of it all, no matter what people tell you.

  2. Display Name says: Jul 22, 2009 7:52 AM

    Upon what do you base your statement that he “still good enough to play quarterback” on? How many games have you seen him throw in since 2006?
    He wasn’t good enough to play quarterback before he went to prison. The 3 pro bowls that he went to were ONLY based on name recognition. How about if you do a ‘story’ that looks into his career as a passer in the NFL, look at his stats and break them down year by year and compare them to the top half of quarterbacks from that same season.
    Let’s see where he falls, in the top half or bottom half.
    As a professional quarterback, passing the ball Michael Vick SUCKED.

  3. gary says: Jul 22, 2009 8:20 AM

    What has this clown done that has been so impressive as a QB???? His accuracy sucks and he has no leadership ability and of course now he has even less leadership ability. This ahole will be out of football in 2 years.

  4. Big Stretch says: Jul 22, 2009 8:21 AM

    “In our view, some of the folks who believe he should not play quarterback only might be allowing their feelings regarding his criminal misconduct to cloud their assessment of his football skills.”
    So what is it his career 53.8% completion rate, or that he has never thrown for 3,000 yards, his under 7 yard per completion average, or his 75.7 career QB rating that makes you believe Vick is a top 15 QB in the league after 2 years out of the league?
    As for Hall bringing up Pro Bowls, we all know its a popularity contest, and that the best players don’t always get the free trip to Hawaii.
    In 2002 there were 17 QB’s in the league with a better rating.(including Jay Fiedler)
    In 2004 there were 20 QB’s in the league with a better rating.(including Billy Volek)
    In 2005 there were 24 QB’s in the league with a better rating.(including David Carr)

  5. LC68 says: Jul 22, 2009 8:22 AM

    All the DBs in the NFL want Vick to come back and play QB.

  6. RexRyan'sStressedLapband says: Jul 22, 2009 8:23 AM

    I would disagree with you on only one point, Mr. Florio. If Vick lies to Goodell again, I would say he should get a lifetime ban. Lying to cover your ass when you still have yourself convinced that you can get away with it is one thing, but lying when all signs and signals point to a definite need for truth is evidence of a lying problem. That’s not to say that there wasn’t an obvious need for truth before, but I’ve been in the seat Vick is in (although for much MUCH lesser offenses) and it’s times like these that the truth will TRULY set you free. When the world is crashing down around you, it is easy to make the poor decision to try and stop the crash by lying, and I think that is exactly what happened 2 years ago.

  7. joe6pk says: Jul 22, 2009 8:32 AM

    MeAngelo Hall?? That’s funny. Did anyone ask MeAngelo about MeAngelo. MeAngelo thinks he’s the best corner ever. Nice, credible football mind there.
    The Eagles shut Vick down in the ’05 NFC Championship and Vick never took the next step. Start with the ‘o5 season. His numbers, including wins and losses, are average. Most good games came against AFC teams that didn’t see him often.

  8. AlanSaysYo says: Jul 22, 2009 8:41 AM

    The selective amnesia on Vick is amazing. He is a prospect right now at best. He has NEVER been a solid QB. His accuracy and decision-making have always been mediocre. The only reason he played for any length of time is because of his legs, which have been grounded in a prison cell for two years.
    Anyone crowing about the return of Vick to the QB position should be twice as high on Vince Young taking over in Tennessee. They’re the same damn player, except for the fact that Vince is younger, fresher, and has PLAYED IN THE PAST TWO YEARS. And I haven’t seen one damn story in support of Vince Young on here in quite awhile.
    Oh, and Deangelo Hall saying “Vick should play QB” is news? Really? A defensive player who has zero coaching experience and is known to be a malcontent and a Vick homer is qualified to make that judgment, AND it’s news? That’s garbage.

  9. empty13 says: Jul 22, 2009 8:47 AM

    it might be interesting to see a real balanced poll on the dogkiller.
    deangelo hall, other nfl players, and blacks and certain bidnessmen (with a vested interest in seeing ookie keep going like nothing ever happened) do not automatically “speak for america”.

  10. tian says: Jul 22, 2009 8:58 AM

    Vick’s pro-bowls were from name recognition only???
    Michael Vick only won… See the difference? He won. With an undersized line, no real receivers except Alge Crumpler, and Greg Knapp as his offensive coordinator… he still won.
    Now he had his problems, and he sometimes relied on his running ability instead of his arm sometimes, but that was because he lost confidence that the receivers could catch the pass. I’ve been in the stands when he would throw the ball squarely onto the receivers hands and it bounced off them like it was concrete.
    But he still won. Some, even by himself.
    And he still won more playoff games during hs first season as full-time QB than Matt Ryan. So he could still be a full-time QB somewhere else. I would like to at least have someone who wins on my team.

  11. truthsayer says: Jul 22, 2009 9:00 AM

    Yes MeAngelo, you have your blockers on. And by the way, what the hell does that turd Marcus Vick being athletic have to do with the question at hand?
    Despite your protests Florio, when you look at the facts objectively, Mike Vick was simply not a good NFL quarterback. Others have pointed out his horrendous passing statistics. So, the guy has a howitzer for an arm, but what use is that if you have no accuracy? The guy can’t/won’t read defenses. He brings no leadership to the huddle, he’s no field general. And as others have pointed out, there’s the rust factor. He was a bottom tier passer before he went to the hoosegow, why would you belive he would be better now?
    So, Vick went to the Pro Bowl before? Gus Frerotte has been to the Pro Bowl, for Ookie’s sake. Enough said there…
    The only thing the guy had going for him on the field was his speed/ability to elude tacklers. Granted, he had that in spades. Does he still have it? If not, he’s got nothing. If so, he could help a team as a RB/WR/KR, he could certainly pick up some yards running. But he was not, and never will be, a legitimate NFL QB. The numbers don’t lie.

  12. jharmon64 says: Jul 22, 2009 9:11 AM

    You can all hate on Mike Vick’s quarterbacking, but in the end, he won games. He is not the QB the DC’s enjoy game planning for. There are just not that many great QB’s in the league and he was deserving of being a starter. Not a Pro Bowler, but a legit starter in this league.

  13. east96st says: Jul 22, 2009 9:18 AM

    At first, I was against him getting back in. But now that people are clearly revising the past, including this blog, and pronouncing him a “top” QB, I say let him in. I remember a QB that would have been out of the League in a year if he couldn’t run because he certainly could not throw. Two years older and slower, I would bet that he has a season, maybe two left and then he will be forgotten like so many mediocre QBs before him. Your opinion of Vick’s QB skill set is borderline delusional.

  14. DC_Bengals_Fan says: Jul 22, 2009 9:20 AM

    I don’t know why you’re carrying Vick’s water, Florio. So far, here’s the list of characters who have stated Vick can actually play QB today:
    ==Dan Reeves, father figure and the guy who drafted him.
    ==Tom Shaw, trainer *currently employed* by Vick
    ==DeAngelo Hall, Vick’s teammate at VT and ATL who plays…defense.
    Now that’s funny, because he sucked at QB before he went to jail. He never had the maturity to learn how to be a pocket passer, had a terrible QB rating, too many picks, low completion percentage, etc. So basically, best case scenario, you’re signing a bad QB with legs.
    Now, he’s been in jail for two years. Remember what happened to Jamal Lewis after a few months in prison? He was terrible. Vick is two years older now, and hasn’t been working out at a pro level in a long time. I’d bet that’ll add couple of tenths to his 40 time, making him only marginally faster than the LBs chasing him. The result won’t be pretty.
    So what you’re doing is taking a guy who was a bottom-10 QB before, adding two years of slowness and two years of not working out. This would be a marginal football decision for about 5 teams, and that’s before you add the PR nightmare he would bring. Add that in, and you’d have to be desperate to sell tickets to bring the guy in.
    And ultimately, it will be a team desperate for coverage and willing to roll the dice who will do it. Doesn’t make sense any other way. I’m thinking a team like JAX who’s struggling to avoid blackouts.

  15. TheDPR says: Jul 22, 2009 9:20 AM

    As the comments so far have clearly stated, the stats simply don’t support the opinion that this clown can play QB in the NFL. He was a marginal NFL QB before his little vacation. He certainly isn’t going to be any better after such a long layoff from the game.
    Once somebody cites the Pro Bowl as a qualification for on-field ability, they instantly lose credibility. You don’t need to be good to be popular.
    Was Vick exciting to watch? Of course. You never knew what he was going to do or where the football was going to go. But that’s not really the quality you want in an NFL championship QB. He may have approached the top ten in fantasy football QBs due to his rushing yardage and TDs, but fantasy isn’t reality.
    So in short, he was marginal before and isn’t likely to succeed in the NFL next go-round, even if he gets a shot.

  16. Redruckus91 says: Jul 22, 2009 9:27 AM

    LOL yeah what a suprise that Vicks friend thinks that he should still be playing QB. Who are they going to ask next? His mom?

  17. mbbrazi says: Jul 22, 2009 9:29 AM

    NFL players are biased to say the least. NFL players unfortunately many times if not too many times say and do the dumbest things. NFL players stick up for each other, they have too. Michael Vick isn’t fit to pick up the dog s#it in my backyard. What assinine team would even sign this loser, there will be serious fan repercussions to the team that signs Vick-don’t underestimate fans. Give Vick a chance, sure I’ll give him a chance, the same chance he gave to the pet dogs of other people when he threw them to pit bulls to be horribly torn apart, when he electrocuted, hung and slammed dogs to death on the concrete. Vick is a waste of time and only a fool and a lowlife would think he even belongs walking among normal people. Deangelo Hall, Jamie Dukes, Marshall Faulk, Deion Sanders, Warren Sapp, Michael irvin and all the rest, they’re expected to say Vick should be playing………but all the normal people know he should rot in hell!

  18. penguininbondage says: Jul 22, 2009 9:30 AM

    Suckers

  19. momar3000 says: Jul 22, 2009 9:47 AM

    Vick is a QB the way Florio is a writer…
    BTW: Did not like having to resign up for your site. Almost didn’t, but you offer a quality product.

  20. muchmaligned says: Jul 22, 2009 9:52 AM

    What a load of absolute crap. There are players currently on NFL rosters who have killed other human beings. Where is the (false) outrage regarding their situations?
    “As a professional quarterback, passing the ball Michael Vick SUCKED.”
    His QB rating and completion percentage are nearly identical to Eli Manning’s. That says what?

  21. Brownwood26 says: Jul 22, 2009 9:59 AM

    “In our view, some of the folks who believe he should not play quarterback only might be allowing their feelings regarding his criminal misconduct to cloud their assessment of his football skills. ”
    Really? I thought it was his career QB rating of 75.7. For someone who came up with the mildly funny “Kordoza Line”, you sure are pumping up a guy who is actually worse than the guy you named it for…

  22. VoxVeritas says: Jul 22, 2009 10:06 AM

    Vick’s passer rating is comparable to Quincy Carter’s.
    Yet below Tarvaris Jackson’s.

  23. Smush Rodrigez says: Jul 22, 2009 10:06 AM

    OOOH, he lied to Goodell… Who the F is Goodell?

  24. hotchick says: Jul 22, 2009 10:08 AM

    Yes. D Hall has an unbiased opinion on this subject.
    Also, though he sucked as a passer he did play well from the QB position. He was just not traditional. That’s the difference people have to grasp. Yes he sucked as a passing QB. But he did quite well the way HE played the position.
    Was the style good enough to consistently contend for a Super Bowl? I say no. But they did almost get there with him.

  25. southernboi727 says: Jul 22, 2009 10:11 AM

    This is great. I can finally wear my Vick jersey(the old one, not the new one).

  26. BleedGreen says: Jul 22, 2009 10:20 AM

    # WeMissYouDan says: July 22, 2009 8:23 AM
    When the world is crashing down around you, it is easy to make the poor decision to try and stop the crash by lying, and I think that is exactly what happened 2 years ago.
    Agreed. No one just flat out admits to everything wrong they’ve done the first time they are asked, while not being provided proper evidence that they’ve done it.
    Has anyone ever watched Law & Order? You NEVER admit to anything until you have to, unless you truly believe you didn’t do anything wrong. Giving the guy guff for lying to the Comish is stupid. Every single one of us in his position would have done the same thing.

  27. Redruckus91 says: Jul 22, 2009 10:48 AM

    muchmaligned-
    who says that people still wanted Leonard Little in the league? and by the way its not just because of the dog killing that I want him out it is because of the funding and running of a criminal organization in his house. Pete Rose was suspended for life for less than Vick did.
    Its lazy people like you that look only at the dog fighting charges and dont realize that the only reason he admitted to those was because if he got charged with the illegal gambling he would have gone away for much much longer

  28. bbq says: Jul 22, 2009 10:52 AM

    Mike Florio wrote:
    “In our view, some of the folks who believe he should not play quarterback only might be allowing their feelings regarding his criminal misconduct to cloud their assessment of his football skills. ”
    Then in my view, you don’t know what you’re talking about. I’m in full support of Michael Vick being reinstated and playing in the National Football League. I believe he served more than his time and I love watching him play.
    However, I do not realistically see him as a fulltime starter — at least not for long. He’s been out of football for over two years now. He has to have lost something.
    The skills he still possesses will most likely, in my opinion, be best utilized as a wildcat quarterback.
    But damn, what a wildcat quarterback he’ll be.

  29. SteveC says: Jul 22, 2009 10:57 AM

    smh at people who think current NFL’ers have no business at evaluating talent. Do you people not realize that players in the NFL know what it takes to get there? It’s a wonder if anyone responding has ever played any type of sports in their lives.
    It’s easy to say he sucks, but what credibility do you have? A biased opinion on Mike Vick because of his past.

  30. jwill007 says: Jul 22, 2009 11:04 AM

    So you would want your son to never play again Florio??? If this was your kid???

  31. tian says: Jul 22, 2009 11:05 AM

    You have to have good passing and catching in order to have a good QB passing ratio.
    He wasn’t the best passer in the world, and he was playing with guys who couldn’t catch. So, of course his passing ratio wasn’t good.
    But his winning percentage was pretty good… better than his offensive coordinator’s winning percentage. And he changed the game- Wildcat is the direct response to Vick’s game.
    So, in reality, the jury is still out as to whether he could have this great QB ratio. But his winning ratio is pretty good with mediocre or worse teams, and there are plenty of those out there.
    Bottom line is this: Watch him play this year. He will play. And play for a bad team. And help them win.

  32. Redruckus91 says: Jul 22, 2009 11:09 AM

    Smush Rodrigez –
    Goodell is his and every other NFL players boss.
    BleedGreen-
    I agree if I was in Vicks position I likely would have done the same thing. That fact however doesnt make it ok

  33. empty13 says: Jul 22, 2009 11:11 AM

    vick won games? in hist last 25 starts he is 10-15.
    he cant hit a wideout worth a damn and cant read defenses. sure he got better at that over the last 2 years?
    in 2005 vick led the falcons to a 2-6 finish after a 6-2 start. gambling? or just lousy prep… or both.
    in 2006 vick led the falcons to a 2-6 finiah after a 5-3 start. gambling? or just lousy prep… or both.
    he gave teams matchup problems for awhile. then they got enough game film on him. and he didnt improve. and he chased wideouts away. he isnt a real qb. wildcat qb… maybe.
    ask roddy white who he prefers to play with at qb.
    and, vick didnt get ANY jail time for dogfighting. poindexter his fellow black crook made sure of that.
    and law & order is bs. the world isnt full of white perps, folks.

  34. Desides says: Jul 22, 2009 11:23 AM

    “In our view, some of the folks who believe he should not play quarterback only might be allowing their feelings regarding his criminal misconduct to cloud their assessment of his football skills.”
    You’re joking, right, Florio? Vick was a terrible QB before we found out about the Bad Newz Kennels. He couldn’t throw an accurate pass, preferred to dump off to Alge Crumpler, and would usually run if his first read wasn’t open.
    He should be a running back, much like how Steve Slaton, Leon Washington, and Reggie Bush are running backs.

  35. Display Name says: Jul 22, 2009 11:32 AM

    tian says:
    July 22, 2009 8:58 AM
    Vick’s pro-bowls were from name recognition only???
    ===============================
    Well, let’s see…
    For his first “Pro Bowl” he was the 18th rated QB in the entire NFL, 7th rated in the NFC. These were his season stats:
    231/421 54.9% 2,936 Yds 7.0 Yds/att 195.7 Yds/Game 16 TD’s 8 INT’s 81.6 Rating
    For the second “Pro Bowl” he was rated 20th in the NFL and 10th in the NFC:
    181/321 56.4 % 2,313 Yds 7.2 Yds/Att 154.2 Yds/Game 14 TD’s 12 INT’s 78.1 Rating
    For his third he was rated 25th in the NFL and 12th in the NFC:
    214/387 55.3% 2,412 Yds 6.2 Yds/att 160.8 Yds/Game 15 TD’s 13 INT’s 73.1 Rating
    Now how do you defend such a lousy QB making the “Pro Bowl”? The voting is done by fans and players. It’s a popularity contest.
    How many All-Pro teams has he been on??

  36. Whododrums says: Jul 22, 2009 11:33 AM

    This guy is a piece of crap as far as a QB talent. To say he has served more than is fair share of time, (jail time), maybe he has, I personally don’t believe that. But being lost in the whole argument is that he had NEVER, repeat NEVER served any punishment from the NFL. If every other player in the NFL gets at minimum 4 games for run-ins with the police, then doesn’t someone who serves many months in prison deserve more?? Not to mention didn’t he get busted in an airport with pot or pot residue in water or something?, he still hasn’t been punished for that, and of course if he was Chris Henry or the like would get a year for that alone. This guy is a never been QB and continues to not be one. A 2 years suspension is total in line with the other punishments that have been handed down to others.
    Again the UFL really needs guys like this and he would make a great backup to some losing team there.

  37. olcap says: Jul 22, 2009 11:48 AM

    Personally, I doubt that the “Don” will even WANT to hear Vick answer any questions. Goodell is going to reinstate him, and put the squeeze on teams via his capos to make this turd their starting QB.
    We are just at the beginning of the greatest period of sports corruption in history.

  38. VoxVeritas says: Jul 22, 2009 12:19 PM

    “and, vick didnt get ANY jail time for dogfighting. poindexter his fellow black crook made sure of that.”
    Take off the KKK hood, empty13. They’re not crooks because they’re black, they’re crooks because they’re assholes.

  39. mrmagoo says: Jul 22, 2009 12:30 PM

    VoxVeritas says:
    July 22, 2009 10:06 AM
    Vick’s passer rating is comparable to Quincy Carter’s.
    Yet below Tarvaris Jackson’s.
    ______________________-
    Speaking of….
    When’s Jerrah going to end the suspense and sign the guy?

  40. Big Stretch says: Jul 22, 2009 1:18 PM

    tian says:
    July 22, 2009 11:05 AM
    You have to have good passing and catching in order to have a good QB passing ratio.
    He wasn’t the best passer in the world, and he was playing with guys who couldn’t catch. So, of course his passing ratio wasn’t good.
    Yeah Roddy White sucks.

  41. montanabob says: Jul 22, 2009 1:35 PM

    Ya’ll are making a big fuss over a football player and seem to be surprised that he’s an idiot with awful decision making (on and off the field). What he did was absolutely horrific. That doesnt mean he doesnt deserve a second chance. Life is about second chances and most you fantasty football playing cubicle nerds have never needed one. So lighten up and let him compete. This is just football. PFT should do a “should the commish let vick back in for 09″ poll.

  42. sevendollarbologna says: Jul 22, 2009 1:57 PM

    Mike Vick has been operating on pure athletic talent his whole career, he’s hit his celing & unless he submits to bieng actually coached, I can’t see him doing anything great. (unless the single-wing offense makes a come back)

  43. wrath4771 says: Jul 22, 2009 2:04 PM

    The truth about Mike Vick is he has all the physical tools in the world to be a quarterback, but doesn’t have the mental ability to be one. Vick is a two-read quarterback (look deep -look for the TE) and that’s it.
    His numbers don’t support that he’s a good quarterback and if you look at the progress Roddy White has made with Vick gone and it’s not to hard to see that Vick was the problem, not the wide recievers.

  44. Desides says: Jul 22, 2009 2:08 PM

    BleedGreen, you’re not an expert on the criminal justice system just because you watch Law & Order.

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