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Dungy's involvement guarantees Vick will be signed

Apart from the fact that the involvement of former Bucs and Colts coach Tony Dungy lends significant credibility to the efforts of quarterback Mike Vick to be reinstated, we think that Dungy’s role as an adviser and mentor to Vick will have a dramatic impact on the next phase of his career.

For starters, it virtually guarantees that Vick will be signed by another team this year.

Though the initial reaction to Vick’s reinstatement, which includes a potential regular-season suspension that doesn’t operate like a traditional suspension, has triggered multiple teams to express preliminary interest in Vick, let’s assume that the initial interest doesn’t translate to a contract offer.

With a wide swath of connections in the NFL, including multiple coaches who likely owe a debt of gratitude to Dungy, the Super Bowl-winning coach becomes an incredibly valuable lobbyist on Vick’s behalf.

Dungy has said on multiple occasions that Vick needs to be in a locker room again, benefiting from the support that a team environment provides.  So if Dungy has signed up to devote time and attention to helping Vick, Dungy will want to see the situation unfold not with Vick finding no suitors, but with Vick landing on a team.

If the Bears hadn’t already acquired Jay Cutler from the Broncos, we think coach Lovie Smith would have been Dungy’s first target, given the close relationship between the two former colleagues.  Even with Cutler on the team, the Bears become a Wildcat option for Vick, if Dungy can’t place Vick anywhere else.

The Colts become an option as well, given that Dungy said on The Dan Patrick Show that he’d be interested in Vick if Dungy were still the coach there.  Presumably, new coach Jim Caldwell shares some of the same views as Dungy; otherwise, Caldwell wouldn’t have been hand picked to succeed Dungy.

Then there’s the reality that Dungy, in his role as an adviser and mentor, will be able to steer Vick wherever Dungy thinks Vick needs to go, if/when multiple teams are making offers.  This means that, if one of Dungy’s former colleagues wants Vick, Dungy will be more inclined to recommend that Vick move in that direction than to a team coached by a man with whom Dungy has no prior relationship.

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  1. Jim Rome says: Jul 28, 2009 7:41 AM

    yeah if the colts picked him up he could be the new Jim Sorgi.

  2. jarfitz says: Jul 28, 2009 7:41 AM

    Well I hope that Tony gets Vick in a good situation. We all know what happens when you make Mike Vick mad.

  3. evilmajortom says: Jul 28, 2009 7:50 AM

    If Tony Dungy can’t get Michael Vick a job in the NFL he had better A) call Dennis Green or B) call Obama. If I were a betting man I would bet on the former . . .

  4. bearsfan says: Jul 28, 2009 8:06 AM

    Thank God for Jay Cutler because I wouldn’t want this turd on my team.

  5. EricEmpire says: Jul 28, 2009 8:11 AM

    No matter the relationshop between Dungy and Lovie Smith, Chicago would never accept Mike Vick on their team. Tank Johnson owned some guns that were legal in another state and they ran him off the team.

  6. Darth Ringo says: Jul 28, 2009 8:22 AM

    Is Tony Dungy the wise old guru on the mountaintop now?
    Good grief, I don’t buy for a second any team will sign Vick because Dungy calls and says do it.

  7. TNCM333 says: Jul 28, 2009 8:37 AM

    How many youths or young men are wasting away in the system? I mean, *non gay ones, that could use some guidance. Some time and attention. Some mentoring…*from Dungy.
    Maybe got into a little trouble with drugs, or stole a TV or something. You know, not complete wastes of life like POS sociopathVick.
    Dungy is a real piece of work.
    Gotta pick a real worthy cause.
    To me, if Vick just popped up out of the blue and was tagged with all the dog fighting shit I STILL couldn’t see it. But add on the lying, the illegal gambling, the STD spreading, the flipping off of fans with drugs and low life associates tied in and this special attention to Vick is one of the biggest jokes ever.

  8. hotchick says: Jul 28, 2009 8:38 AM

    Dungy is not signing up for this and allowing his name to be so directly attached to this unless he and others know he wont fail. This is really his first task in his new role. Their are enough people out there with enough pull to make sure Dungy doesn’t fail.
    Vick is certain to be proclaimed to have proven he is a new man. He will land on a team in some role and Dungy will step away. Then IF Vick steps in it again, it will be made clear that it occurred outside the watchful eye of Dungy.
    Like and agent would, Dungy tested the market before getting involved this deep with Vick. He knows a number of teams will give Vick a tryout.
    He knows a couple of teams will likily sign him after going through the motions to appease as many potential protestors as possible.

  9. east96st says: Jul 28, 2009 8:41 AM

    I’m curious how many hours a day Dungy plans to spend by Vick’s side. If this is a long distance mentoring, it won’t work. Vick needs his “nanny” by his side. There’s an angle to this story that Florio hasn’t addressed, which is surprising since he gets worked up about the injury report. Vick was/is a gambler. He went to jail for interstate gambling. The whole point of dog fighting is to bet on the outcome. Now that’s gone, how does Mike get his gambling fix? As a starting QB, presuming that is his goal, Vick is in a unique place to shave points during a game. Would any of us be shocked to see Vick throw an interception at the end of the game preventing his team from scoring and beating the spread? No, the guy’s got a rep for not being a super accurate passer. So what would stop a criminal, since Vick seems drawn to them, from approaching Vick and telling him he has a perfect way to solve all his money problems – point shave? Does anyone really believe Vick would NOT even consider it? Look what he did to his career before. Florio keeps saying the next big gambling scandal will come from teams screwing with the injury report. I’m thinking it will come from Mike Vick. Only one guy to bribe – he has money problems, he has a gambling problem, he’s a convicted felon, and he’s the QB. If I was trying to rig a NFL game, that seems like the path of least resistance. And if “saint” Dungy is miles away, Vick will be easy to get a hold of.

  10. Spyder Monkey says: Jul 28, 2009 8:42 AM

    It’s really too bad that Dungy decided to do this. In my mind, it tarnishes his rep to take under his wing someone with such moral depravity. And, like previous commentors on other stories have said, does anyone think he would have even talked to Vick, much less supported him publicly, if he were white? He’s not a young, misguided black man who needs to find his way. He’s a man, plain and simple, who followed a LIFESTYLE (not a couple of bad decisions) that would make most of us physically sick. No one who had any self-respect at all should want to be within 10 feet of this guy. No matter, black, white, brown, red, pink, purple, green, etc.

  11. Marty says: Jul 28, 2009 8:51 AM

    Remember if Vick enters the game, you already know what to expect – So why not just take the other QB out rather than line him up as a decoy at WR?
    At that point, Vick would not be in the Wildcat – Hes basically another QB
    Part of the Wildcat, is that its a surprise, because you are using regular personel, just lined up differently.
    That would not be the case with vick if he just comes in as a QB
    Does anyone get this??

  12. WhoDeyBuck says: Jul 28, 2009 9:00 AM

    Didn’t Vick test positive for marijuana while waiting for his trial? Doesn’t he get a drug suspension too?
    Odell Thurman was run out of the league for missing a drug test and getting popped for DUI.
    Vick can carry a phony water bottles with pot residue through airports, run a gambling enterprise, kill dogs, lie to Goodell’s face, test positive for drugs, get convicted of multiple felonies, dodged more felony charges due to an obviously corrupt and biased prosecutor, and not to mention introducing a legion of women to Valtrax. And God-ell says welcome back to the NFL.

  13. BernardPollardIsAnAss says: Jul 28, 2009 9:06 AM

    Yet another situation where nearly everyone involved will be fooled into thinking that “embracing God and Jesus Christ” will make a bad apple a good one. How about just being a man and conducting yourself in an honorable manner? Dungy and the god squad will have Vick praising the lords name every five second and I am pretty sure that is all it would take to convinve them and just about everyone else he is on the path to turning his life around. What a bunch of pathetic, brainwashed, weak-willed fools. It would be much more impresive if Vick could turn his life around through his own desire to be a better person rather than having to be told it is the right thing to do because Jesus said so. Have a little common sense and some conviction to being a good and caring human being. It should make sense to you without instruction from “another.”

  14. Massappeal says: Jul 28, 2009 9:06 AM

    I guess that Dungy wasn’t one of Vick’s neighbors that lost a trusted friend.

  15. vbeach31 says: Jul 28, 2009 9:12 AM

    This is part of Dungy’s new role under the commissioner. Vick just so happens to be his first and a very large task to take upon. But I dont see how helping turn a young man’s life around and aiding his 2nd chance in the NFL (after he has paid his debt to society) is tarnishing his legacy. In fact, if anything it proves that Dungy really believes in the good in people and wants to help. There is nothing selfish about the man, he wants to help. You guys are going to bitch and moan all season about Vick being reinstated, why, your sentiments aren’t shared by the people to whom it matters the most. The verdict is in. He is back, get over it. People don’t seem to realize that Mike isn’t a bad person. He isn’t a turd. Pacman was a turd, with a hood mentality. Vick rose above his upbringing in the poverty of Newport News, VA. He was guilty of dogfighting, which was something grew up witnessing, watching, and participating in as a kid. That was his bad decision making and I don’t condone it at all. But besides that, he isn’t a trouble maker, was a role model, and was one of the poster children of the NFL. He smoked weed (big deal..just saw Michael Phelps back in a subway commercial yesterday), and flipped off fans. Those were his worst 2 offenses prior to the dogfighting scandel. So, if the guy has paid the price and lost millions for his crime, at what point does he get to redeem himself. The time is now. So get off of your soapboxes and stop casting stones, because none of you are perfect and I’m sure we have all done something criminal at somepoint and gotten away with it. What if the time you were drinking and driving, you hit and hurt someone. It would be a mistake right? But if your that person, wouldn’t you want a second chance? Exactly. Some of ya’ll hate because he has the God given talent to get locked up for 2 years and still be able to come out w/ the ability to be a millionare once more. The NFL is a business, when you have the skills to make a business money, they are not going to turn you away

  16. Philtration says: Jul 28, 2009 9:13 AM

    Why don’t you spend some more time questioning Jay Cutler as a man Tony.
    You being to be such a good judge of character and all.

  17. Mattchew182 says: Jul 28, 2009 9:44 AM

    vBeach31 give me a break. Tony Dungy’s involvement in this fiasco is just pandering. Mike Vick is not a good person. He did a lot more than just smoke weed and flip off the fans that pay his salary. He was sued by a woman who he knowingly gave herpes to and didn’t tell her or use protection. There was talk a few months back that he may have been involved in stealing money from a pension fund of one of his shady companies. Its bad enough he found a way to piss away the some 100 million dollars now he is accused of stealing pension money. It doesn’t get much lower than that. We’ll have to see how he performs and acts when he is booed everytime he steps on the field. Most convicted felons don’t get their jobs back after coming out of jail. Roger Goodell is no doubt feeling pressure from the players union and the NAACP.

  18. AmhaTek says: Jul 28, 2009 9:54 AM

    I understand that most of you have a HUGE issue with what Vick did, but really can yaw get over it!!! Allow the man to move on from his bad decisions and his bad decision was to live a very poor lifestyle, yes lifestyle. But crackheads of 10+ years kick the habbit at times, alcoholics of 20+ years kick the habbit as well. These are also lifestyles, and poor ones but are they never to live it down, are they alwasy going to be a crackhead/alcoholic no matter how long they’ve been sober??? Really let it go, the man did not come to your backyard take your dog and kill it or force it to fight. He lived a very, very, very bad (Babu finger wave) lifestyle, but can he not change? Can he not learn from his past lifestyle choices?? Donte Stallworth’s bad decision was also a lifestyle, you think that was the first time he drank and choose to get behind the wheel, I doubt it. But I doubt anyone will be as upset once he returns. YOu guys make it seem as if you want him to spend the rest of his life in jail paying for the same crime over and over and over again. Its absurd! IF the man has truly changed, IF he has truly learned from his mistakes (the mistake of picking a poor lifestyle) does he not deserve a second chance.
    And lets be honest here, Vick was most likely not actually killing the dogs himself. He was the bank roll not the hench man. I”m not justifying or making excuses for anything he did or allowed to happen, but your anger is most likely focused on the wrong person. If your issue is the brutality of the acts, then you’re prob more mad at his friends and his cousins then you are at him. I highly doubt vick was there on a regular basis actually killing dogs himself. And can we for one moment take a look at what led to this. The lack of any type of guidance as a child. The man was 8yrs old when he started fighting dogs, and it seems as if his entire community was doing it. And not once did anyone tell this 8yr old boy that was goin on around him was wrong. What were you doing when you were 8yrs old? Playing with your new set of legos? Perhaps it was your Gi-joes? Or were you at the park w/ your parents on the swing set? You have no idea what its like to grow up in that environment, yet you feel at liberty to judge this man. At liberty to determine his fait and his future (and the future of his family as well), who or what gives you the right?

  19. aL says: Jul 28, 2009 10:27 AM

    Tony Dungy lives in Tampa. It’s a lot easier to mentor when you live close by…

  20. ZN0rseman says: Jul 28, 2009 10:31 AM

    Dungy has pull with mostly just the black coaches.
    Let’s see…
    Lovie Smith – Jay Cutler
    Romeo Crennel – Derek Anderson, Brady Quinn
    Mike Tomlin – Ben Rothlisberger
    Marvin Lewis – Carson Palmer
    Of those teams, none of them have any use for a washed up kick returner (who pretends to play QB) and who just got out of prison after commiting atrocities against man’s best friend, lying to police, lying to head coaches, lying to the commisioner of the NFL, getting busted for drugs, and getting sued for knowingly passing on STD’s to women after using a fake name to get medication to treat his incurable disease.
    No matter how much polish you put on a turd, it’s still just a turd.

  21. BernardPollardIsAnAss says: Jul 28, 2009 10:41 AM

    “And lets be honest here, Vick was most likely not actually killing the dogs himself. He was the bank roll not the hench man.”
    He admitted to killing dogs. Read the paper much?

  22. Griff64 says: Jul 28, 2009 10:46 AM

    Dungy is hanging around like a bad fart, he needs to just go away already….damn.

  23. vbeach31 says: Jul 28, 2009 10:48 AM

    Mattchew182,
    I wasn’t aware that you knew Michael VIck, how long have you guys known each other? Exactly, you dont. Until your in someone’s shoes dont judge them. Like I am not a person who is going to sit here and justify things that I don’t condone. But a lot of things you are saying are allegations and haven’t been proven. The herpes thing, isn’t not only private, but none of our business. How do you know he knowingly passed and STD to the woman. Like stop listening to the media all the time. The media sensationalizes everything to get a story. Although it’s horrible, STD’s are transmitted everyday, and I dont think it makes the newspapers. It’s the fact that a famous athlete had it. With the amount of nookie thrown at him, i’m sure he did contract something(you can catch herpes using a rubber). I agree with AmhaTek, you guys are like a damn lynch mob and it’s patehtic. I hope you guys share the same venomous passion for having Big Ben’s head on a stick if he is found guilty( I hope he is innocent). I used to have a dog and I loved it, but I still dont consider dogfighting more heinous than killing a person via DUI. Leonard Little never did time for killing someone via DUI. Stallworth got like 28 days. Vick did 2 years, does that sound remotely fair? I think the problem is people have cultural differences in how they view dogs( a lot of the time, not everyone) Some people view them as pets, and other view them as children. I’m one who believes dogfighting is no different than hunting deer for trophy purposes. Some people eat deer, and some people eat dogs. Bottom line, he paid his debt to society. Playing professional sports is not something everyone can do. Only a tiny percentile of humans have the God given talent to do so. They raise millions in revenue for owners. So, of course the standards are going to be different than say a lawyer who is disbarred. Vick still has the ability to put butts in seats and raise revenue, and as long as he can still do that, a owner will give him the ok to play in the NFL

  24. tjgriggs says: Jul 28, 2009 10:52 AM

    Dungy adds credibility? Maybe to all the other douche bags filling up the front offices of the NFL. Dungy is just another fake christian douche bag in my world. Hopefully he’s a better mentor to one of the world’s biggest scumbags than he was to his own son.

  25. empty13 says: Jul 28, 2009 10:56 AM

    some of yaw need to get real.
    i dont buy this “cant judge a black unless yer black” crapola.
    vick is a reprobate. a 2nd chance merely means he is out of the can. construction. maybe ufl. washin cars or dishes. not auto reentry to the nfl.
    if you went to the can, you wouldnt be getting another chance at the same level of job unless we are talking entry level grunge work, again.
    ookie isnt humble, but maybe his agent is. and dungy isnt an effective mentor or saint.
    whither his dead son and his racist myspace page? why cant saint dunghole minister to troubled white players? hmmmmmmmmmmm……..
    killin dogs (which went unpunished). racketeering. gambling. flippin off the crowd. dope. and thanx there BPA i forgot the STDS…
    but, hey the media templateers and his creditors want him back in!
    and if being the bankroll didnt get travis henry off easy, why should it get ookie off easy… he did also admit he killed some dogs anyway…
    the wusse posse always has excuses for their boy.

  26. Xpensive Wino says: Jul 28, 2009 11:06 AM

    Yeah, Vick needs to be back in a locker room environment because we know what a tremendously positive impact it’s had on his life up until now. Looks like Dungy’s work is nearly done here. Hope he kept Marvin Harrison’s number………

  27. TheDPR says: Jul 28, 2009 11:16 AM

    Sure Mike. Vick is going to listen to Dungy and take his advice.
    Do you ever read your posts aloud and listen to them?
    Mike Vick is a tool. He listens to no one. Dungy is a mentor in name only.

  28. vbeach31 says: Jul 28, 2009 11:19 AM

    Soooo? are you guys going to bitch and moan the rest of Vick’s career? Because the only good thing that came out of him going to jail is that it might have extended his career. He is now healthy and free of nagging pains. So he will be around for a while. Like really, get over it. Your opinions are obsolite. Goodell reinstated him and thats all that matter. And I’m black and haven’t even used the race card in the argument. You guys are so negative, chastize Vick all you want because he did commit the crime, but how canyou attack Dungy and his faith. Not only is it unjustified, but its incredulous. He is a man of God and is truly trying to help Mike, not because he is Black, but because he is someone that could use it. Who’s to say in the future he wont help other athletes out of different races, he just started this mentoring position under Goodell. I swear, you guys and your high horses. Dungy is a superbowl winning coach, a dedicated Christian and he has the respect of everyone in the NFL. So who gives two shits what YOU think about him.

  29. texasPHINSfan says: Jul 28, 2009 11:34 AM

    the fact that Vick needs Dungy just proves he hasn’t learned his lesson. Let Vick fend for himself, to prove that he has learned.
    I do look forward to hearing about Dungy reaching out to Matt Jones, will we read about this soon? /sarcasm

  30. hayward giablommi says: Jul 28, 2009 12:03 PM

    @ vbeach31
    Ron Vick/Mike Mexico is a dispicable individual. and I don’t care if he did his time or not. All that really entitles him to is the opportunity to be outside the four walls of a prison cell. It doesn’t earn him any respect or leeway and it sure as well doesn’t earn him the right to his old gig back.
    The man is a sick, depraved individual who took pleasure in torturing and maiming animals. He would still be doing it today if he had not been caught. He is a PSYCHOPATH, and if he did half the things he did to humans that he did to those dogs, he’d be sitting on death row right now.
    I don’t care if he ever plays again or not. If he does, I will boo the hell out of him at every opportunity. If he never plays again, so be it.
    Oh, and Tony Dungy is a hypocritical, phony piece of human waste as well. Yeah, he MIGHT help players of other races…probably not though.

  31. skinnykinny says: Jul 28, 2009 12:35 PM

    Why is it that when a black man(I didnt start using the race card here)wins everyone loves him?But he is still human and as humans we all fall short.We all have our secrets that we dont want brought into daylight or am I being to preacher like here?Everybody should really take a good long look at his/her self and when you see no flaws,then give a comment.

  32. Dewey Axewound says: Jul 28, 2009 1:18 PM

    I bet you a dead dog’s electrocuted testicle that the same people who think Vick deserves a second chance (vbeach31, Ahmatek, etc.) are the EXACT same people who believe OJ is innocent.
    The common denominator?
    You guessed it…

  33. tom coughlin's coat holder says: Jul 28, 2009 1:40 PM

    tony dungy is playing the beard.

  34. AmhaTek says: Jul 28, 2009 2:08 PM

    Not at all you idiot (Dewey Axewound) this is not a race thing, you’re making it a race thing. I never brougth up Vicks race in making my case, but you sure are.
    I never have defended OJ or made the OJ situation a race thing. OJ in my opinion is freaking guilty. You cant defend a guy just b/c he’s the same race as you, you defend a person b/c you think they are innocent. As I always tell ppl, defending OJ hurts black ppls credibility, b/c he sure isnt helping his case (the book he wrote “if i did it” or whatever its called).
    and the other guy (bernad pollard…) yes he signed a document taking the blame for everything, but it doesn’t necessarily mean he did it. a plea bargin is a negotation process and he prob. had to admit to more or less then what he actually did to get the result he wanted. dont believe everyting you read man think for yourself.

  35. AmhaTek says: Jul 28, 2009 2:11 PM

    Matthew182
    Soooo, when did NAACP get involved, have you heard news that we havent???

  36. vbeach31 says: Jul 28, 2009 2:52 PM

    Dewey Axewound, you sound retarded. You don’t know me to come to the conclusions that my opinions are based on race. There are White people who have the same opinion as me. WTF does OJ have to do with anything. Thats like me saying you think Big Ben is innocent because your both White. My opinion is based on me believeing that everyone makes mistakes and deserve second chances. I also am prone to to side with athletes because based on my past, I know the type of things they go through. Blogger geeks like you who have never done anything athletic in their life but masterbate, really make me laugh. I am more of a realist. Matt Jones gets caught sniffing all the coke in Arkansas and nothing happens at all. I dont here an uproar about that. The fact that I am defending a Black athlete is based on the situation not the race. I don’t think dogfighing is worst than killing someone from a DUI. SO as long as Leonard Little is still in the league, People deserve 2nd chances for lesser crimes. LMAO at you using the reverse race card. I’m too intelligent to even further comment on your stupidity. Get a life.. and by the way. Vick is reinstated, pull your panties up and stop whining

  37. AmishGangsta says: Jul 28, 2009 3:07 PM

    Dewey Axewound said-I bet you a dead dog’s electrocuted testicle that the same people who think Vick deserves a second chance (vbeach31, Ahmatek, etc.) are the EXACT same people who believe OJ is innocent.
    The common denominator?
    You guessed it…
    Your wrong, man. I’m as white as Vanilla Ice and I believe Vick deserves another chance.

  38. AmishGangsta says: Jul 28, 2009 3:21 PM

    I love all the Dungy hate. He’s doing EXACTLY what he said he was gonna do when he retired-he’s helping those who he believes need or deserve help. Besides, its not like Vick is the ONLY person Tony is devoting his time to. Do some research-the guy is active in MANY charitable causes, including All Pro Dads, Basket Of Hope(a charity that provides baskets of goods to children with cancer and other serious illnesses), The American Diabetic Association and many more.
    He is a GREAT man who is making a difference in this world, and he’ll continue doing so, regardless of whether you people like it or not.

  39. AmishGangsta says: Jul 28, 2009 3:28 PM

    tjgriggs said-”Hopefully he’s a better mentor to one of the world’s biggest scumbags than he was to his own son.”
    Thats uncalled for, man. Seriously.
    Florio, you should be ashamed of yourself for allowing this crap on your blog.

  40. vbeach31 says: Jul 28, 2009 3:43 PM

    tjgriggs
    wow, way to ridicule someone about there deceased son. You’re such a classy person. But most of your comrads in this blog are also, so what can I say. Comments like that make me sick to my stomach. I call it cyber courage. Saying things on the net you wouldn’t dare say to the actual person. Your a piece of shit, that comment just ruined any credibility you may have had, even though you had none. Idiot

  41. BorisBulldog says: Jul 28, 2009 4:10 PM

    @bearsfan 8:06AM
    You would want Vick on your team when you see Cutler crap his pants this year in the Windy City!

  42. Dewey Axewound says: Jul 28, 2009 5:16 PM

    You said Vick “made a mistake”?
    No, a “mistake” is when I accidentally use salt instead of sugar, or perhaps a BRIEF MOMENT’S lapse of moral judgement or good sense.
    Vick engaged in a prolonged, premeditated, systemic, federal CRIMINAL enterprise for YEARS, which he both funded and participated in..and then lied about…one that involved guns, drugs, gambling, and the cruel, sadistic, inhuman torture and death of thinking, feeling animals.
    FOR SPORT.
    Now, I’m no PETA pussy…in fact, I’ve done my share of hunting. To eat. Or for sport.
    Not for the sheer sadistic joy of seeing an animal suffer and die, and not for gambling.
    (Plus a deer’s IQ compared to a dog’s is about the same difference as yours and mine…)
    Now, has Vick paid his legal debt to society for his mistake? Yes.
    Has he paid his MORAL debt to society?
    Not by a long shot. What GOOD has he done since all this happened? Why doesn’t he do a year’s worth of volunteer/public service for an animal shelter or talking to inner city kids or something?
    He can’t even make his own “I appreciate the re-instatement” statement–he has to get his AGENT DO IT FOR HIM!!!
    Next question:
    Does he have the right to a “second chance”?
    Yes.
    But what other felon gets out of prison and is able to return right back to their former job?
    Were the guys at Enron made back into corporate CEOs within a few weeks of being released from prsion? God, I hope not…
    A second chance does not automatically mean he should have the PRIVILEGE to be a professional athlete in the NFL again, where his name, face, and identity have to be shoved down the country’s throat every Sunday afternoon, beamed into our living rooms.
    A second chance SHOULD mean just that: a chance. A job–construction, sales, camp counselor, something helping kids, or something in athletics.
    Not a gift-wrapped privilege and all the wealth, honors, entitlement and attention that comes with the NFL.
    But does Goodell have the right ot reinstate him, when and how he sees fit? Sadly, yes.
    But do I have the right to boycott any team, sponsor, group, or person that actually thinks Vick is an appropriate representation of their city and franchise?
    Bet your ass, I do.
    And those same teams and cities also have the right to make their own moral ruling Ick, which, it would seem, more and more are coming out and doing by saying resoundingly “NO THANKS”
    Now, as for the race thing…I never said “all black people” or blah blah, or “NO white people support Vick” or blah blah…
    I insinuated that the Vick apologists are the same people who would think that OJ is still innocent, and that the chances were those people were black, too.
    You say Vick should be allowed a “second chance”, but in the same breath you rip into Matt Jones, a guy who by his own account genuinely made what I think is much more appropriately called “a dumb mistake…”
    The problem is, too many people allow the racially-colored glasses they see the world through to TRUMP everything else that might be within them, including sound moral reasoning and good sense.
    You think I’M being racist? No, my friend…I’m talking about RIGHT and WRONG, which trumps race (or at least it SHOULD).
    But for some of us–like you and Tony Dungy–those glasses have become permanent fixtures on your faces.
    Try taking ‘em off for once and look at the Vick situtaion in the clear light of day–you’ll see it’s wrong, and that’s all there is to it.

  43. BigBear123 says: Jul 29, 2009 10:29 PM

    Check out this site dedicated to encouraging NFL players to make life rough for Vick once he returns.
    smackmyvickup.com

  44. AmishGangsta says: Aug 8, 2009 3:15 PM

    Dewey Axehound said-”You said Vick “made a mistake”?
    No, a “mistake” is when I accidentally use salt instead of sugar, or perhaps a BRIEF MOMENT’S lapse of moral judgement or good sense.
    Vick engaged in a prolonged, premeditated, systemic, federal CRIMINAL enterprise for YEARS, which he both funded and participated in..and then lied about…one that involved guns, drugs, gambling, and the cruel, sadistic, inhuman torture and death of thinking, feeling animals.
    FOR SPORT.
    Now, I’m no PETA pussy…in fact, I’ve done my share of hunting. To eat. Or for sport.
    Not for the sheer sadistic joy of seeing an animal suffer and die, and not for gambling.
    (Plus a deer’s IQ compared to a dog’s is about the same difference as yours and mine…)
    Now, has Vick paid his legal debt to society for his mistake? Yes.
    Has he paid his MORAL debt to society?
    Not by a long shot. What GOOD has he done since all this happened? Why doesn’t he do a year’s worth of volunteer/public service for an animal shelter or talking to inner city kids or something?
    He can’t even make his own “I appreciate the re-instatement” statement–he has to get his AGENT DO IT FOR HIM!!!
    Next question:
    Does he have the right to a “second chance”?
    Yes.
    But what other felon gets out of prison and is able to return right back to their former job?
    Were the guys at Enron made back into corporate CEOs within a few weeks of being released from prsion? God, I hope not…
    A second chance does not automatically mean he should have the PRIVILEGE to be a professional athlete in the NFL again, where his name, face, and identity have to be shoved down the country’s throat every Sunday afternoon, beamed into our living rooms.
    A second chance SHOULD mean just that: a chance. A job–construction, sales, camp counselor, something helping kids, or something in athletics.
    Not a gift-wrapped privilege and all the wealth, honors, entitlement and attention that comes with the NFL.
    But does Goodell have the right ot reinstate him, when and how he sees fit? Sadly, yes.
    But do I have the right to boycott any team, sponsor, group, or person that actually thinks Vick is an appropriate representation of their city and franchise?
    Bet your ass, I do.
    And those same teams and cities also have the right to make their own moral ruling Ick, which, it would seem, more and more are coming out and doing by saying resoundingly “NO THANKS”
    Now, as for the race thing…I never said “all black people” or blah blah, or “NO white people support Vick” or blah blah…
    I insinuated that the Vick apologists are the same people who would think that OJ is still innocent, and that the chances were those people were black, too.
    You say Vick should be allowed a “second chance”, but in the same breath you rip into Matt Jones, a guy who by his own account genuinely made what I think is much more appropriately called “a dumb mistake…”
    The problem is, too many people allow the racially-colored glasses they see the world through to TRUMP everything else that might be within them, including sound moral reasoning and good sense.
    You think I’M being racist? No, my friend…I’m talking about RIGHT and WRONG, which trumps race (or at least it SHOULD).
    But for some of us–like you and Tony Dungy–those glasses have become permanent fixtures on your faces.
    Try taking ‘em off for once and look at the Vick situtaion in the clear light of day–you’ll see it’s wrong, and that’s all there is to it.”
    A mistake does not HAVE to be momentary, as you suggest. A mistake can be made over a long period of time too. I looked up the definition of the word and it said-
    1. An error or fault resulting from defective judgment, deficient knowledge, or carelessness.
    2. A misconception or misunderstanding.
    Nothing in that definition implies, directly or indirectly, that a mistake MUST be momentary. Vick said he made a mistake and Tony Dungy apparently believes him. That doesn’t make either one of them racist, regardless of what you wanna think.
    Thats just wrong on your part.

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