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Williams Wall gets clearance to play from state court

Minnesota judge Gary Larson to stay until the end of the 2009 season the state-court action brought by Vikings defensive tackles Kevin and Pat Williams challenging the suspension imposed against them by the NFL for violation of the policy regarding steroids and related substances, according to Rochelle Olson of the Minneapolis Star Tribune.

The league had wanted Judge Larson to stay the case only until a federal appeals court determines whether a federal district judge properly sent the case back to state court based on the conclusion that two claims brought under Minnesota statutory law supersede the Collective Bargaining Agreement between the league and the NFLPA.  The league also wanted Judge Larson to proceed with a trial during the 2009 season, if the federal appeals court rules that the case properly can be pursued in state court.

Larson has opted not to let the NFL have it both ways.  Thus, the case won’t proceed until after the season.

Then again, if the federal appeals court finds that the federal district judge got it wrong, the state court case won’t proceed at all, and the four-game suspensions will be implemented, as required by the CBA.

An oral argument in the federal appeals court is set for August 18, and a ruling is expected before Week One.

So, basically, if Kevin and Pat Williams clear this one final hurdle in the federal appeals court, they’ll be available for all of the 2009 season.

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42 Responses to “Williams Wall gets clearance to play from state court”
  1. updog says: Aug 5, 2009 10:56 AM

    Just curious, but if “The Wall” is allowed to play the season, what happens if Pat decides to retire?

  2. Hauschild says: Aug 5, 2009 11:03 AM

    Favre really needs to get into Minnesota asap!

  3. Dewey Axewound says: Aug 5, 2009 11:18 AM

    Yeah, what happens if Pat hits menopause before then?

  4. crookedsteve says: Aug 5, 2009 11:24 AM

    Just stick andy reid at d-tackle. No-one could move that fat pos.

  5. jeremiah says: Aug 5, 2009 11:33 AM

    rediculous.

  6. Plankshelmet says: Aug 5, 2009 11:46 AM

    I’m guessing the Federal Appellate Court will have a slightly different perspective on the matter than the season ticket holding Judge Larson. If the state court is right then I guess every union in the country can wipe their arses with their CBA’s as each state will have a right to intervene in any grievance process regardless of what the CBA calls for. That my friends would have a chilling effect on organized labor in this country and I doubt the judiciary is willing to go there over this nonsense. These 2 fat slobs won’t be playing the first 4 games of the season you can take that to the bank(insert cheap Swede joke here). Not that it would matter one way or another with the Viking’s options at QB being what they are.

  7. kosmokenny says: Aug 5, 2009 11:59 AM

    I have a hard time believing that the appeals court will reverse the federal judges ruling and decide that NFL rules supersede state law without at least giving the state a say in the matter.

  8. Professor says: Aug 5, 2009 12:03 PM

    You know what else can’t be moved? Crookedsteve’s head from his ass.
    Still carrying on about Andy Reid. Jesus christ dude, let it go.

  9. packerblitz says: Aug 5, 2009 12:08 PM

    This is great for the states representing their teams! Good job Purple Choker Judge! Great just great! LOL!

  10. GBISFULLOFFATTIES says: Aug 5, 2009 12:09 PM

    Plankshelmet:
    “These 2 fat slobs”
    ——————————————-
    Let me guess… You have a flat stomach with nice tone abs, huge muscles everywhere don’t ya!?!
    I can see making fun of the situation, if that gets your jolly’s off but to insult someones appearance makes little to no sense. I would say grow up but that would be a waste of time since you must make fun of people you don’t know or never will online. Cool!!!

  11. JimmySmith says: Aug 5, 2009 12:18 PM

    “Then again, if the federal appeals court finds that the federal district judge got it wrong, the state court case won’t proceed at all, and the four-game suspensions will be implemented, as required by the CBA.”
    This is precisely what is going to happen. I am not a lawyer and I don’t play one on TV but this is the real and only issue. How can a labor union collectively negotiate a league-wide contract only to subject it to the various state courts and their rules? This was a dumb ruling made by a sitting Viking season ticket holder (ok, I realize that “dumb” next to Viking season ticket holder is redundant) and it will never stand up in Federal court. I give them credit for trying late last season when the Vikings were on the verge of making the playoffs but to let this linger into this season is a joke.
    So the William sister will sit, the Vikings will get out of the gate slow again this year, we can only hope that Klink will find it a convenient excuse with Ziggy to get his contract extended. That way, the Vikings will remain irrelevant for years to come.

  12. mikec3211 says: Aug 5, 2009 12:20 PM

    Wait a minute Mr. Florio.
    Didn’t Gary Larson contribute to the Purple People Eaters? I smell a bigger story…..
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Larsen

  13. jimicos says: Aug 5, 2009 12:27 PM

    GBISFULLOFFATTIES says:
    August 5, 2009 12:09 PM
    …to insult someones appearance makes little to no sense. I would say grow up but that would be a waste of time since you must make fun of people you don’t know or never will online. Cool!!!
    ————————-
    Irony reigns supreme.

  14. packerblitz says: Aug 5, 2009 12:30 PM

    I could’nt of said it better myself JimmySmith!

  15. whatthehellisgoingonoutthere says: Aug 5, 2009 12:32 PM

    No doubt there is some hometown cooking on this one when you stick to the letter of the law. NFLPA agents were even made aware of the StarCaps issue and were supposed to pass that info on to their clients.
    Either way, all the posturing and grandstanding should be eventually quashed when they actually go by the CBA and the laws. It’s the equivalent of a murderer caught red handed pleading not guilty. He knows he’s guilty, but still pleads not guilty and tries to fight and keep the inevitable from happening or a reduced sentence due to a plea.
    In this case, the Williams sisters should hope for a suspension with pay, that would be a vacation from Childo which would keep them from getting even more dumb by having to be around that retard for 4 weeks. That in itself would be a win/win….

  16. JAYO MOFO says: Aug 5, 2009 12:48 PM

    HALLELUJAH!!!!!!!!!!!
    CHOKE ON THAT PACKERS AND BEARS FANS….EAT SHIT!
    VIKES = DIVISION CHAMPS…JAYO MOFO HAS SPOKEN, WRITE THAT DOWN!

  17. Sow Crates says: Aug 5, 2009 1:02 PM

    Can’t believe this nonsense has been delayed for over a year and potentially two seasons. Can’t wait to see what the purple judges of Minnesota do if the Vikes have themselves another boat party or if Percy Harvin tests positive on another drug test. Evidently, if the Vikes have a winning record, they’ll do just about anything.

  18. Xenu_D_Alien says: Aug 5, 2009 1:11 PM

    I’d pay money to see those two run the 100m hurdles. That would almost be as funny as Andre Smith doing the truffle shuffle or running a 40 yard dash.

  19. zygi milf says: Aug 5, 2009 1:24 PM

    jeremiah says:
    August 5, 2009 11:33 AM
    rediculous.
    ********
    Your spelling is ridiculous.

  20. LarryBird18 says: Aug 5, 2009 1:27 PM

    I love it all these packer fans on here….oh what! wait…no….god darn these minnesota judges….geeze….go kick rocks you doosh bag…with or without the williams wall we are winning our first 4 games anyways….we have the best D in the north…have for the past 3 seasons…keep wishing and praying packer pussies!!!! Go division champs….boo to the only win 6 games in a season packer dooshes!! maybe this year is your year right? hahaha makes me laugh

  21. zygi milf says: Aug 5, 2009 1:34 PM

    Can one of you kool-aid drinkers from Green Bay who keep commenting that Judge Gary Larson is a Vikings season ticket holder please produce some evidence of that?
    A simple link to a legitimate news source would suffice.
    And, no, not a link to the comments section of yahoo sports, fannation or PFT (which would lead to Bob Nelson or JimmySmith); and no links to ESPN, either.
    ********
    @ Jimicos – good catch re: irony. It took me a while to notice – and I probably wouldn’t have except that his login name is in caps.

  22. Raptorman3 says: Aug 5, 2009 1:39 PM

    People like LarryBirdi8 are typical ViQueen fans. Yes the Vikes have a great defense, but what has that gotten them? Same as the Pack, not much. It is interesting that all these court proceedings are happening in Minnesota, no conlflict of interest there, except the judge wears a purple robe. Move the proceedings to a different venue, like Denver or even Los Angelos and lets see what happens to the Williams wall. Justice will prevail, you cheat you should pay the piper. They knew what was going in their massive bodies, which is a substance to mask steroids…Period…

  23. empty13 says: Aug 5, 2009 1:40 PM

    gary larsen was the 4th member of the front line of the purple people eaters

  24. LarryBird18 says: Aug 5, 2009 1:54 PM

    Call them fat all you want packer f*gets….these 2 fill up the hole better than a D_Tackles in the league…even better than the cheese up your asses

  25. RagnartheViking says: Aug 5, 2009 2:07 PM

    JimmySmith says:
    August 5, 2009 12:18 PM
    “Then again, if the federal appeals court finds that the federal district judge got it wrong, the state court case won’t proceed at all, and the four-game suspensions will be implemented, as required by the CBA.”
    This is precisely what is going to happen. I am not a lawyer and I don’t play one on TV but this is the real and only issue. How can a labor union collectively negotiate a league-wide contract only to subject it to the various state courts and their rules? This was a dumb ruling made by a sitting Viking season ticket holder (ok, I realize that “dumb” next to Viking season ticket holder is redundant) and it will never stand up in Federal court. I give them credit for trying late last season when the Vikings were on the verge of making the playoffs but to let this linger into this season is a joke.
    Genius: It already was in Federal court, that is why it is going back to a Federal APPEALS court.
    Also morons Gary LarsEn played for the Vikes, not Gary LarsOn.
    Do you jagoffs actually think that a judge is going to find in favor just because he’s in Minnesota?
    Read the transcript of why they are fighting it.
    They won’t wipe thier ass with the CBA, they are just exploiting a loophole. It will be fixesd in the next CBA.
    By the way whatthehell, have you listened to your GM and coach? The coach sounds like Mike Tice only dumber.
    Mcarthy is 27-21, Chilly 24-24, it’s not like Mcarthy is SHula or anything, another losing season for the Pack and he’s out too.

  26. madM100 says: Aug 5, 2009 2:08 PM

    I’m too hung over to read through all the BS the packer fans are spouting its prolly worthless non-sensical ramblings anyway about how pat is fat and kevin is past his prime and blah blah blah no QB blah blah packers lost a million games by one point last year blah blah. If they had ended up missing the first 4 it wouldnt have mattered anyway we play 4 garbage teams prolly woulda come out of it at least 3-1

  27. Dewey Axewound says: Aug 5, 2009 2:16 PM

    For the Chillzillionth time:
    The league provides an enormous, comprehensive list of APPROVED dietary and medicinal supplements, which they GUARANTEE is 1000% “safe”.
    Stray from that list at your own legal/moral/physical peril, you fat dumbass.
    They also make it explicit that labels CANNOT be trusted.
    How much clearer can it be? Everything else–the hotlines and memos and blah blah–those are just courtesies extended by the league, they are not freakin’ entitlement programs.
    Were it not for some corrupt judicial horn-sucker/purple-helmet polisher (who apparently worships Stuart Smalley, too)–this case, like the disappointing prognosis for the Queens’ upcoming season, would be open & shut.
    Or, like the Williams sister’s hungry-hungry-hippo mouths gnawing on a cheeseburger, or each other’s endzones–OPEN & SHUT.
    I’d love to hear of past instances where a state law superceded a specific and legitimate binding contractual agreement between employer & employee…
    Florio? Anyone?
    In the meantime I’ll be over here, singing some old school rap:
    “The Fat Boys are back…Rock the boat, don’t rock the boat, Fat Boys, don’t tip the (love) boat over…”

  28. meleliko says: Aug 5, 2009 2:18 PM

    I still can’t for the life of me figure out how an athlete is supposed to know a product has a banned substance when it’s not listed. Also, how can the NFL look in the mirror when it knew the substance was there and did not notify the players. This seems to be pure arrogance on the part of the NFL. What is the harm in the NFL putting out a list of banned products for the athletes to avoid and add new ones when they are discovered to be bad? That way, there is no gray area – if they take a banned product – fine and suspension – if it wasn’t banned, no penalty – if they take one that is eventually banned with enhanced testing – no penalty if they stop using it immediately. Simple

  29. JAYO MOFO says: Aug 5, 2009 2:33 PM

    Dewey Axewood you are such a turd. Probably the biggest TURD who has ever posted. Your comments are always so piss poor. You’re a turd. I don’t know if you know this but you are the opitomy of a TURD.
    DEWEY = TURD

  30. madM100 says: Aug 5, 2009 2:36 PM

    dewey axewound get another job you spend too much time thinking about this kind of stuff

  31. meleliko says: Aug 5, 2009 2:57 PM

    I still can’t for the life of me figure out how an athlete is supposed to know a product has a banned substance when it’s not listed. Also, how can the NFL look in the mirror when it knew the substance was there and did not notify the players. This seems to be pure arrogance on the part of the NFL. What is the harm in the NFL putting out a list of banned products for the athletes to avoid and add new ones when they are discovered to be bad? That way, there is no gray area – if they take a banned product – fine and suspension – if it wasn’t banned, no penalty – if they take one that is eventually banned with enhanced testing – no penalty if they stop using it immediately. Simple

  32. purpleguy says: Aug 5, 2009 3:00 PM

    Too bad this wasn’t decided in Wisconsin, since based on the knowledge in the cheeser posts, it probably would have been written in crayon. Why don’t you cheesers read the frigging briefs, or even articles on the case before commenting?
    The collective bargaining agreement must specifically preempt state law before state law is excluded — the agreement language doesn’t. It really is that frigging simple. And the NFL wanted this case in the very federal court which caused the delay in the first place.
    Why don’t you guys go back to praising the new “aggresive” Pack 3-4 defense and continue hoping that maybe this year AJ Hawk will actually play like a first round pick.

  33. smokesome says: Aug 5, 2009 4:34 PM

    both of those fatties knew they were cheating, but hey, if you can find a loop-hole in the system, all the power to you, i suppose.
    no one on here talks more shit than vikings fans. but since winning a division title is the same as winning the super bowl to them, i guess it makes sense. so congrats, vikings fans! you can all proudly show your grandchildren your 2008 nfc north champions hats and say, “this is when they won the big one.”

  34. Plankshelmet says: Aug 5, 2009 4:41 PM

    GBISFULLOFFATTIES says:
    August 5, 2009 12:09 PM
    Plankshelmet:
    “These 2 fat slobs”
    ——————————————-
    Let me guess… You have a flat stomach with nice tone abs, huge muscles everywhere don’t ya!?!
    I can see making fun of the situation, if that gets your jolly’s off but to insult someones appearance makes little to no sense. I would say grow up but that would be a waste of time since you must make fun of people you don’t know or never will online. Cool!!!
    That is true. I hope to meet you so that I can make fun of someone I know.

  35. Tiger Woods says: Aug 5, 2009 5:00 PM

    These Minnesota fans really crack me up talking trash. They win a division and promptly go out in the first round of the playoffs, and they think they all that? LOL.
    How many playoff wins does this franchise have in this whole decade again?
    How many Super Bowl wins in their history again? Total?
    How many Super Bowl appearances in the past 30 years again?
    Minnesota is a joke. No matter how much talent they have, they simply cannot and will not make another Super Bowl. If that 1998 team couldn’t, what more proof do we need to see? My God, they lost at home to a Falcons team QB’d by Chris Chandler!

  36. jimicos says: Aug 5, 2009 5:13 PM

    LarryBird18 says:
    August 5, 2009 1:27 PM
    I love it all these packer fans on here….oh what! wait…no….god darn these minnesota judges….geeze….go kick rocks you doosh bag…with or without the williams wall we are winning our first 4 games anyways….we have the best D in the north…have for the past 3 seasons…keep wishing and praying packer pussies!!!! Go division champs….boo to the only win 6 games in a season packer dooshes!! maybe this year is your year right? hahaha makes me laugh
    ————————
    Do you post these comments via Twitter or are you just that dumb?

  37. jimicos says: Aug 5, 2009 5:21 PM

    zygi milf says:
    August 5, 2009 1:34 PM
    Can one of you kool-aid drinkers from Green Bay who keep commenting that Judge Gary Larson is a Vikings season ticket holder please produce some evidence of that?
    A simple link to a legitimate news source would suffice.
    And, no, not a link to the comments section of yahoo sports, fannation or PFT (which would lead to Bob Nelson or JimmySmith); and no links to ESPN, either.
    ********
    @ Jimicos – good catch re: irony. It took me a while to notice – and I probably wouldn’t have except that his login name is in caps.
    ——————————
    http://www.hcba.org/district-court/Larson-Gary.htm
    “The Larsons’ social activities include attendance at Gopher football games where Gary has been a season ticket holder for many years. Gary has always had a strong sense of loyalty to the University of Minnesota, preferring college athletics and activities to those of professional sports.”
    His site says nothing about Vikings season tickets, but does say he’s been a Gophers season ticket holder for many years.
    Perhaps now we can put this rumor to bed?
    I wouldn’t be surprised to find out he’s ruled the way he has, in part, because he serves in an elected position and to rule against the Williamses could be detrimental to his career… But that’s just one guy’s opinion and can’t be verified.

  38. duffsbeer says: Aug 5, 2009 5:23 PM

    Jimmysmith- just one comment, other than sports leagues, name one federal union job agreement? Every union trade agreement I have had to deal with has been state specific. Even some that are believed to be nationwide are actually covering documents that reference state specific agreements.
    The MLB agreement has wording in it to protect itself from this type of action. That the NFL, which has numerous lawyers working for it, did not bother or know better than to include language to protect itself in this area is a huge oversight on their part.
    I hope once this is over that the Williams fire their agent as he should have informed them about the potential hazard as per the league’s memo, that the NFL include language in the next CBA so this doesn’t become an issue later on and that the league actually sets up a standard review of suspensions by a person other then the imposer of the suspension.

  39. sand0 says: Aug 5, 2009 5:40 PM

    Look, I’m a Vikings fan and like to read stories about them. But why does pft print so insanely many stories about the Vikings? From the looks of the comments sections it is because Packers and Bears fans just flock to these articles to repeat the same insecure trash talk over and over.
    I actually see this as a positive for my team. Stories like this increase the likelyhood of this team repeating as division champs, which I like. Oddly enough Packers and Bears fans take this story as more evidence that the Vikings will stink? Didn’t you guys flood these boards all last season while the Vikings took the division? At what point in the season will it be deja vu?

  40. Philtration says: Aug 5, 2009 6:05 PM

    Look at the idiot Viking fans comments.
    It is like 15 year-olds on Red Bull.
    Your Hockey team left for the NHL hotbed of Texas, your NBA team was 27th in the league in attendance and your NFL team just might move to the NFL graveyard know as L.A.
    Just a bunch of creepy losers typing away in your bedroom down in mommy’s basement.
    Little single bed with a stained purple blanket that has never been touched by a girl except for the time the cat had kittens on it one Christmas.

  41. RexRyan'sStressedLapband says: Aug 5, 2009 7:59 PM

    @ Philtration:
    “Little single bed with a stained purple blanket that has never been touched by a girl except for the time the cat had kittens on it one Christmas.”
    Might be the funniest post ever. If not, it’s up there! LMAO

  42. RexRyan'sStressedLapband says: Aug 5, 2009 8:20 PM

    Anything that the NFLPA can use as leverage against the league, I am all in favor for at this point. This judge/jury/executioner power that Goodell has needs to go. It makes no sense, and I can’t believe that the NFLPA agreed to it in the first place. It’s poetic justice (whether it’s right or not) that the Williamses have the NFL bent over the barrel on this one.

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