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Rivers, Chargers will be talking soon

Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune speculated in the wake of the record-setting contract between the Giants and quarterback Eli Manning that the long-awaited deal could prompt the opening of negotiations between the Chargers and quarterback Philip Rivers.

We’ll see Acee, and raise him.

A league source tells us that Rivers and agent Jimmy Sexton were intentionally waiting for the Manning deal to get done before launching talks with the Chargers, and that discussions will begin shortly — and possibly already have started.

Officially, neither the Chargers nor the Rivers camp are talking about the situation.

We don’t discuss contracts,” G.M. A.J. Smith told Acee.  “If we have anything regarding Philip, we’ll let you know immediately.”

And so Manning and Rivers, who were swapped for each other during round one of the 2004 draft, continue to be linked.  Given that Rivers boasts a career passer rating nearly 17 points higher than Eli’s, look for Rivers and Sexton to try to come away from the bargaining table with even more money.

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  1. packerswin says: Aug 6, 2009 9:45 AM

    See what giving a player way more money than they deserve does? now every QB that is better than Eli (and there are lots of them) will want to rightfully make more money than he does, way to go you idiot Giants.

  2. Stryker187 says: Aug 6, 2009 9:48 AM

    I love it when people claim that Rivers is soooo superior to Eli. He plays in the WORST DIVISION IN FOOTBALL!

  3. kdub says: Aug 6, 2009 9:56 AM

    and cue the “how many rings does he have” comments…

  4. nittanylion0 says: Aug 6, 2009 9:57 AM

    if they compensate him for his mouth, he could double Eli’s contract.

  5. SteelCurtnDee says: Aug 6, 2009 10:04 AM

    whats sad is ben roethlisberger will make less than both of them and has 2 rings.

  6. Stryker187 says: Aug 6, 2009 10:05 AM

    @packerswin – your team is awful and will continue to be for the next several years. BTW, thanx for f*@king up the whole Favre thing and annoying the crap outta the entire nation for 3 years. Go suck cheese!

  7. SixBurghDude says: Aug 6, 2009 10:06 AM

    Bolts fans won’t care, hell they think Philip is the best that’s ever played the game, & they KNOW he’s the best QB they ever drafted (lmmfao). Many of those same fools that will argue that he’s the best, will also tell you that the Bolts didn’t draft Drew Brees!

  8. RaiderMight says: Aug 6, 2009 10:08 AM

    This will be an interesting one to see unfold. Will the better QB without a Super Bowl ring be able to get more money out of his team than the one with a ring?
    I have a feeling he will.
    ———————————-
    You think the Giants care? It doesn’t hurt them that Rivers is going to want more money. If anything it hurts the Chargers down the future if Rivers still can’t get them past the hump and into the SB.
    ————
    packerswin says:
    August 6, 2009 9:45 AM
    See what giving a player way more money than they deserve does? now every QB that is better than Eli (and there are lots of them) will want to rightfully make more money than he does, way to go you idiot Giants.

  9. empty13 says: Aug 6, 2009 10:27 AM

    assuming the gynauts had a nefarious plan to cripple all the teams that want to overpay their QBs even more than NYG did eli…
    it will likely work perfectly.

  10. kdub says: Aug 6, 2009 10:28 AM

    “I love it when people claim that Rivers is soooo superior to Eli. He plays in the WORST DIVISION IN FOOTBALL!”
    Look at what each QB has done without a stud receiver…Rivers has never had one, Eli’s game went to s**t after he lost his.
    “whats sad is ben roethlisberger will make less than both of them and has 2 rings.”
    Leave it to the Steeler fan to bring up how many rings he doesn’t have. It takes more than the QB to get a SB ring. His overall performance should determine his contract, not the entire team being unable to get over the hump to the SB.

  11. ShowMeYourTDS says: Aug 6, 2009 10:33 AM

    its a chain reaction starting with Eli
    Rivers will want as much as Eli, Big Ben should get more than both, Brady and Peyton should more than all three
    This will happen with every postion
    Since Asomugha got his big contract Darrelle Revis should get close to the same thing
    personally I think Revis is the best corner int he league and he will prove it this year in the best secondary in the league with Lito Sheppard, Jim Lehnard, Kerry Rhodes, Revis
    Revis vs TO twice this year going to be awesome

  12. BKinacti0n says: Aug 6, 2009 10:33 AM

    Numbers aside, the Giants made a smart move with the timing of the contract. Not like Eli was going to hold out, but it locked him up at the beginning of came well before the season started.
    I don’t believe he needs to be the highest payed player in the NFL, but if the Giants feel he is worth that much to them, then they did the right thing. If San Diego feels the same way about Rivers, they will pay him similarly. If not, they can franchise him, or let him hit the free agent market and make even more money than Eli.

  13. Sheriff04 says: Aug 6, 2009 10:39 AM

    RaiderMight:
    Packerswin was trying to get at the point is now because of this huge fat contract, the qb’s following who get new contracts will likely be paid even more money than neccessary. So team after team will start to hurt because now the contracts have become riddiculous. Imagine Brady’s contract if he signed a new one this week.
    Giants may not care at this point, because they’ve got their QB locked up now. But its just like the rookie contracts, I mean Stafford getting close to 50 million guarenteed I think, (just below Haynseworths) and Stafford has not started a game yet. Eli is making 15 million annually. So what the Giants did will cause problems for the future siginings of QB’s just like the rookie contracts have been doing. Yes, it won’t hurt the giants now, but it possibly could later, becuse they just became the one’s who skyrocketted the QB contracts.

  14. Jackson says: Aug 6, 2009 10:41 AM

    Eli sucks……..worst waste of money ever.

  15. boltschick says: Aug 6, 2009 10:46 AM

    Rivers doesn’t need that much money, he drives a minivan for gosh sake.

  16. boltschick says: Aug 6, 2009 10:49 AM

    Also, as Acee tweeted last night, Rivers had his worst practice ever yesterday. Chargers need to get this deal done soon so Rivers isn’t distracted by contract negotiations.

  17. bigbluewreckingcrew says: Aug 6, 2009 10:53 AM

    I won’t get into whether Eli deserved the money he got or not, but there’s no freaking way Rivers deserves more. He plays in the worst division in football and barely manages .500 records. He has 0 rings. He’s a terrible “face of the franchise”. Didn’t he flip off some fans last year? That’s gotta count against him.
    Eli, meanwhile, plays in arguably the toughest division in football, has gone to the playoffs 4 years running, has a ring, and is a great “franchise” guy (boring sure, but never causes negative headlines).
    No way Rivers gets Eli money. Win something first.

  18. kdub says: Aug 6, 2009 11:03 AM

    boltschick says:
    August 6, 2009 10:46 AM
    Rivers doesn’t need that much money, he drives a minivan for gosh sake.
    Awesome. He just went up even further in my favorite NFL player list. He doesn’t need the money for 24″ rims on the Escalade. Maybe not wasting money means he won’t be filing bankruptcy in 15 years.

  19. empty13 says: Aug 6, 2009 11:12 AM

    in the regular season rivers is 32-16.

  20. VegasBronco says: Aug 6, 2009 11:15 AM

    Each team still needs to fit under the salary cap. What this tells me is that the Giants will not be able to carry quality backups for a couple of positions, hense a weaker team. Same with Washington and Albert. Even Pittsburgh was crippled when Ben got his big contract.
    It is not smart to break the bank (salary cap) on one or two players. But you wait two years and the Giants will be asking Eli to restructure his contract so they can compete better in the FA market. All teams have done it, Peyton and the Colts three years ago so they could bolster the defense and get the SB ring.
    Look at the best run team, NE, and every player fits into a salary slot or is let go. Each year you see them let go a pro bowler that wants money and they pick up great draft choices and veterans that fit their team. Hum

  21. rusH1023 says: Aug 6, 2009 11:16 AM

    @SteelCurtainD-
    Ah, but Rivers and Manning don’t rape helpless chicks because they can.

  22. SixBurghDude says: Aug 6, 2009 11:19 AM

    @ kdub –
    Won’t agree or disagree with your little hissy fit regarding who’s better, Eli or Philip. I’ll let you decide who you THINK is #2a & #2b from the 2004 draft class, I already know Ben is #1 on that list…head & shoulders above Eli statistically & slightly below Philip in fantasy stats, but head & shoulders above Philip as a WINNER & LEADER!

  23. SixBurghDude says: Aug 6, 2009 11:29 AM

    rusH1023 says:
    “Ah, but Rivers and Manning don’t rape helpless chicks because they can.”
    ALLEGEDLY
    & Roethlisberger, Rivers and both Mannings don’t dump the mother of their BASTARD, while she’s still knocked-up, because they’re scum bags!!!
    DEFINITELY

  24. SteelCityChampions says: Aug 6, 2009 11:35 AM

    “I love it when people claim that Rivers is soooo superior to Eli. He plays in the WORST DIVISION IN FOOTBALL!”
    Look at what each QB has done without a stud receiver…Rivers has never had one, Eli’s game went to s**t after he lost his.
    “whats sad is ben roethlisberger will make less than both of them and has 2 rings.”
    “Leave it to the Steeler fan to bring up how many rings he doesn’t have. It takes more than the QB to get a SB ring. His overall performance should determine his contract, not the entire team being unable to get over the hump to the SB.”
    overall “personal stats” performances look all pretty on paper, but what do they matter if aren’t holding up the Lombardi Trophy at the end of any given year? Ben & Eli deserved/earned their big pay days because they led/lead their teams to SB victories, not by overall “personal stats” performances.

  25. kdub says: Aug 6, 2009 11:40 AM

    Hissy fit? Haha. Way to get defensive… I’m not saying Rivers is better than Ben or Eli. I’m just saying that it takes an entire team to win a SB and Rivers has shown up…the defense has been a letdown and LT has been hurt in the postseason. I’m not making excuses for the team’s playoff losses, I’m saying it’s not all River’s fault.
    Of course you know Ben is #1 on the list (Sixburghdude) but that’s debatable as well. Ben clearly did not win the Steelers 2005 Super Bowl for the team, but he came through in other games that season and last year and has been a solid QB. Ben is a good QB with a stellar defense that lets him win games without having to score a lot of points. I question if he would be as good on a team with an average defense.
    Eli is a very good QB with a stud WR, and maybe he needs more time to learn how to spread the ball around to average receivers because after Plax got himself suspended last season Eli struggled big time. You can’t argue that.
    I’m not comparing who’s better out of the 2004 draft class. I’m just saying that Rivers deserves a comparable contract.

  26. SixBurghDude says: Aug 6, 2009 11:57 AM

    kdub,
    Funny, how all you haters love to mention that Ben didn’t win SBXL, yet NEVER mention how he absolutely won SBXLIII.
    If you were a true fan of the NFL & watched all the playoff games & watched more than just your team’s games, you would know that the Steelers would not have gotten to Super Bowl XL if not for Ben’s awesome run on the road to XL & becoming the 1st to win 3 road playoff games en route to the tiltle. If you were, I guarantee that you would be less likely to post such ignorant unimformed opinion!!!

  27. Catabolic says: Aug 6, 2009 11:59 AM

    Oh dear God. I had previously thought the Giants fans were trying to avoid the debate, but I guess like all things Nueva York, little sense is made.
    Bottom line, the Giants picked the better QB in the draft in Philip Rivers and traded a butt-load to get a pedestrian QB. Rivers is a top 5 QB in the league and Manning is at best a top 20. Just look at Football Outsiders rankings, that rate players based on situation, strength of opposition, down and distance, etc. There has been no QB in the history of the league who has performed better in the 4th quarter than Rivers.
    And if Tyree didn’t make a great catch off a hysterical throw, we aren’t even having this conversation.

  28. kdub says: Aug 6, 2009 12:06 PM

    overall “personal stats” performances look all pretty on paper, but what do they matter if aren’t holding up the Lombardi Trophy at the end of any given year? Ben & Eli deserved/earned their big pay days because they led/lead their teams to SB victories, not by overall “personal stats” performances.
    So are you saying that Dan Marino’s career didn’t matter because he didn’t hold up the Lombardi trophy? That Trent Dilfer should have been paid Eli money for “leading” the Bucs to a SB win? The QB can only do so much, it sucks for a good QB if his defense lets him down, running game struggles, receivers can’t hold on to the ball, etc. Likewise a great defense, great running game, etc can carry a struggling QB to victory (a la Ben in 2005).

  29. Krow says: Aug 6, 2009 12:26 PM

    Starting QBs on playoff teams get paid a lot of money.

  30. SteelCityChampions says: Aug 6, 2009 12:26 PM

    comparable contract??? but yet you say you aren’t “comparing who’s better out of the 2004 draft class.”
    read that over a couple times, let it sink in that thick skull of yours.
    Yup, you’re an idiot. Thanks for coming around.
    He deserves a contract comparable to Tony Romo…since neither one of them can win the games that count.

  31. Empire Jones says: Aug 6, 2009 12:51 PM

    I love hearing the hate for Philip Rivers.
    Love it, love it , love it all day, all day.
    This debate is never going to end. If the Chargers do win a SB, it’ll be “well he only has one ring to Ben’s two rings”.
    Look, we both have our guys and we are happy. We can all spin stats, receivers, weather, the inflateability of the footballs, yada yada yada.
    The only thing I will say is a giant “screw you” to EVERYONE that wants to go after Rivers in terms of character.
    He showed up and played in the AFCCC when doctors told him no. One good shot could have ended his career. He doesn’t get in any trouble off the field, and stays off of motorcycles and hotel skanks.
    Other than that, there is really no debate. We both have our guys and are happy, right?

  32. kdub says: Aug 6, 2009 12:54 PM

    Sixburghdude: please read it again…”Ben clearly did not win the Steelers 2005 Super Bowl for the team, but he came through in other games that season and last year and has been a solid QB. ”
    Sorry I did not specifically say that Ben singlehandedly won every game for the Steelers including playoffs and Super Bowl. All hail to the mighty Big Ben.
    SteelCityChampion: I don’t appreciate being called an idiot and I won’t resort to stooping to your level, but clearly you don’t know what the word comparable means. A “comparable” contract does not mean that he is better or worse than anyone, it means he is a starting QB who has great numbers and should be paid as such regardless of how many rings he has (which seems to be every Steeler fan’s comeback to every topic), just like Ben and Eli. Comparable means it is similar money, terms, etc. Maybe more. Maybe less. Maybe the same.

  33. kdub says: Aug 6, 2009 12:57 PM

    Oh and Sixburghdude, the Chargers aren’t even my team. Neither are the Giants or Steelers…so yes, I am a fan of the entire NFL and don’t only watch my team.

  34. packerswin says: Aug 6, 2009 12:57 PM

    Real mature Stryker187, grow up please!

  35. SteelCityChampions says: Aug 6, 2009 12:58 PM

    “So are you saying that Dan Marino’s career didn’t matter because he didn’t hold up the Lombardi trophy? That Trent Dilfer should have been paid Eli money for “leading” the Bucs to a SB win? The QB can only do so much, it sucks for a good QB if his defense lets him down, running game struggles, receivers can’t hold on to the ball, etc. Likewise a great defense, great running game, etc can carry a struggling QB to victory (a la Ben in 2005).”
    Dan Marino would trade his “personal stats” to have hoisted the Lombardi Trophy just once, that is a no brainer.
    As for Trent Dilfer “leading” the Bucs to a SB win….HE WAS ON THE RAVENS YOU IDIOT! He did what was asked of him, not make any mistakes to be careful with the football. Yes he deserved/earned a nice payday for taking care of the football. He will always be a SB Champion QB.
    Defenses win championships, someone does have to stop the other team from scoring….but it takes the QB to “lead” them to victory whether it be by “personal stats” or just rising to the occasion and taking what the defense is giving him while LEADING his team down the field for the WINNING SCORE!!!!

  36. Stuart Scotts left eye says: Aug 6, 2009 1:17 PM

    Rivers>Ben>>>>>>>>>>Eli
    my order.
    Rivers is clearly the better passer out of the three. Ben and Rivers are clearly the leader of their respective offenses and both have led their teams from behind on numerous occasions. Eli DID lead his team from behind on the biggest stage but his career should not be viewed on a single playoff run.
    I chose Rivers over Ben because Rivers is much more consistent and his offense is just plain better than Ben’s year after year after year with similar WR’s. But to be fair to Ben, they are COMPLETELY different Qb’s. Ben plays on the move, running around and making big plays. Rivers is more mythotical.
    And for those who say Rivers isn’t a leader because he curses and flips off fans, you’re absolutely wrong. He may taunt a bit but has never said a bad word on the field. Try googling “Philip Rivers christian” and see what you find. He really is a model character in the league……even though he might be a little ADD on the field.

  37. Frank Burns says: Aug 6, 2009 1:17 PM

    kdub says:
    August 6, 2009 12:06 PM
    The QB can only do so much, it sucks for a good QB if his defense lets him down, running game struggles, receivers can’t hold on to the ball, etc. Likewise a great defense, great running game, etc can carry a struggling QB to victory (a la Ben in 2005).
    —————————————-
    “Struggling” QB? Amazing how these myths get accepted as fact.
    Here’s a rundown summary of the ’05 playoff run for ya:
    Quarterback: Roethlisberger (2385 passing yards, 17 TD, 9 INT) had an outstanding regular season, posting a 98.6 passer rating and generally displaying the presence that led him to be named 2004 NFL Rookie of the Year, but reserved his best play for the postseason. “Big Ben” is 49-of-72 passing (68.1 percent) for 680 yards with seven touchdowns and just one interception through three 2005 playoff games, for a lusty passer rating of 124.8.
    Running Backs: The Steelers running game has struggled somewhat during the playoffs, with both Willie Parker (1202 rushing yards, 18 receptions, 5 TD), and Jerome Bettis (368 rushing yards, 9 TD) averaging well under four yards per carry. Parker has just 132 yards on 47 carries (2.8 avg.) on the ground…
    THIS is why Ben is the premiere QB of his class so far… how he CARRIED an offense that had NO running game whatsoever. Without Ben the Steelers don’t sniff the Super Bowl that year. The numbers are there, all else is your own swallowing of myths and falsehoods. Enjoy!

  38. kdub says: Aug 6, 2009 1:22 PM

    That I will accept the “idiot” label for. I did mean Ravens not Bucs. Do you know Dan Marino? Did he tell you that he would have made that trade? And you’re saying that Trent Dilfer should have been signed to a $97 million dollar contract after that SB? Wow.
    Agree to disagree, I’m done with this.

  39. Lightninggreek43 says: Aug 6, 2009 1:26 PM

    Phil Rivers gets empty stats. Quarterbacking in the NFL is about 3rd down and the 4th quarter. I believe that opening drive of the 3rd quarter during the Steelers Chargers 09 divisional playoff Ben completed 3 3rd& long passes in a row for first downs which lead to the Steelers being two scores ahead. Thats clutch. Phil Rivers is a warrior, but he hasn’t had any clutch moments against good teams other than the Colts. And thats more of an indication of Peytons inabilities against the 3-4 than Rivers being clutch. Unless you want to count the Chefs, Radas, & Donkeys.

  40. Facts Domino says: Aug 6, 2009 1:27 PM

    Left eye…
    Unless Rivers changed his ways in the pros, he had a filthy mouth in college…. So don’t let his Gomer & Goober Pyle act fool you.

  41. kdub says: Aug 6, 2009 1:27 PM

    I was referring to his Super Bowl performance specifically, not the playoff run. You’re right, without him they wouldn’t have made it to the Super Bowl, but without the defense and running game they would have been routed. Roethlisberger had one of the worst passing games of his career in that game, completed nine of 21 passes for 123 yards and two interceptions; his passer rating of 22.6 was the lowest in Super Bowl history by a winning quarterback.
    Thanks for reminding us all that we should get on our knees for Ben though!

  42. Lightninggreek43 says: Aug 6, 2009 1:41 PM

    Super Bowl XL was almost lost due to Cowher’s ignorance. All the other games in those playoffs of 05/06 they came out passing, and were able to get Ben in a good rhythm. They were able to build leads, and have their defense T-off. The entire 1st quarter of XL they tried to run on first and 2nd down, putting Ben in predictable 3rd and long situations. Not good for youngest SB QB. Cowher was notorious for playing Marty-Ball during the playoffs and they lost 4AFC championships with better talented teams due to his conservativeness.(is that even a word?) During the 05 run, he went away from that and came passing out of the gates. It may of caught teams off guard, but Ben still out dueled Peyton in their playoff game. The great infallible throw his O-line under the bus PManning!!!!

  43. Empire Jones says: Aug 6, 2009 2:15 PM

    Wowwwwwwww.
    Ben CARRIES his team, with a great RB in Parker and the #1 rated defense, to victory upon victory on his shoulders?
    I never realized any of that.I am speechless. Just speechless.
    Let’s hope the Pitt defense doesn’t figure that out. That whole “play bigger than your heads” thing might come back to haunt them.

  44. Frank Burns says: Aug 6, 2009 3:28 PM

    Empire Jones says:
    August 6, 2009 2:15 PM
    Wowwwwwwww.
    Ben CARRIES his team, with a great RB in Parker and the #1 rated defense, to victory upon victory on his shoulders?
    I never realized any of that.I am speechless. Just speechless.
    ————————————
    Do you even read stuff here? Let me just recap for ya, Einstein:
    “Running Backs: The Steelers running game has struggled somewhat during the playoffs, with both Willie Parker and Jerome Bettis averaging well under four yards per carry. Parker has just 132 yards on 47 carries (2.8 avg.) on the ground…”
    Yeah, Parker sure carried the team with that wicked 2.8 YPC average, huh? Meanwhile, Ben was lighting it up with a 125 QB rating average through that playoff run.
    Yeah you should be speechless.

  45. DaGMen07 says: Aug 6, 2009 3:35 PM

    Except Eli won a SuperBowl. You know, that thing that is given to one team every year. The thing that Philip and the Chargers dream of winning someday. Until Philip leads his team to a championship, like Eli did, his deal should not surpass Eli’s.

  46. Stuart Scotts left eye says: Aug 6, 2009 3:54 PM

    I would say it like this between Rivers v Ben:
    Rivers is a bigger piece in a smaller puzzle while Ben is a smaller piece of a bigger puzzle. Steelers beat the Chargers, thus better team. Ben led that offense from behind, is very clutch on 3rd downs and while behind but stats don’t lie and Ben was the 24th ranked QB in terms for QB rating. You could try to break it down as much as you want with 3rd down percentages etc… but it just shows his inconsistencies. When the bell rings Ben plays like Peyton but for the rest of the time he plays more like Eli.
    Rivers is much more consistent with his arm but stands in the pocket like Frankenstein. Ben thrives on the run. Truthfully, they’re 2 different style QB’s and neither QB would do well on the opposite’s team. But just so happens that they both fit THEIR respective systems and are both doing well.
    Giant fans are still trying to hammer a square peg into a round hole.

  47. Stuart Scotts left eye says: Aug 6, 2009 3:58 PM

    @ Facts Domino
    have you EVER heard audio or video of him cursing or an obscene gesture? please post it. I’ve heard players being miked up while Rivers was talking his smack and it sounded a lot like this:
    “better bring it harder than this”
    “I’ll be back” (after being hurt)
    “what now?” (yelling at the crowd after beating the Colts)
    It might be taunting but it’s all PG taunting. If you have something in the contrary then please, by all means, post it. college or not. I want to see if PR is a man of his word or not.

  48. SixBurghDude says: Aug 6, 2009 4:37 PM

    StewiesLazyI says:
    “I chose Rivers over Ben because Rivers is much more consistent and his offense is just plain better than Ben’s year after year after year with similar WR’s.”
    Right, similar WR’s, but you forgot to mention Gates, a better running game (Tomlinson, Turner & Sproles) & a far better O-line for Philip, since he & Ben have been in the league. As for your claim that Philip is better year after year after year, please allow me to retort!
    -2004-
    Ben……14 WINS (in 14 starts), countless rookie passing records set & AFC Title game, as a rook!
    Philip…14 splinters suffered while ridin’ the pine & holdin’ the clipboard, watchin’ the Brees?
    -2005-
    Ben……On the road to XL, in becomming the youngest NFL QB to be crowned Champion, becomes the 1st QB (of any tenure) to WIN all 3 playoff games on the road!
    Philip…Begins his ascent from watching the Brees to fantasy stat compiler.
    -2006-
    Ben……Gotta give you 1/5, too much trauma!
    Philip…See above.
    -2007-
    Ben……Posts numbers 2nd only to ShadyBrady, without the benefit of the defensive signals being transmitted to him as he breaks the huddle!
    Philip…Posts numbers

  49. SixBurghDude says: Aug 6, 2009 5:08 PM

    ^ sorry, my last post should’ve read:
    -2007-
    Ben……Posts numbers 2nd only to ShadyBrady, without the benefit of the defensive signals being transmitted to him as he breaks the huddle!
    Philip…Posts numbers

  50. Frank Burns says: Aug 6, 2009 5:16 PM

    You know, I gotta love the whole “Rivers is better because he HASN’T won a ring” fan brigade. Ha ha!
    Rivers won’t be in either Roethlisberger’s or E. Manning’s league til he wins it all… sorry. Or shows he can carry an offense when the run game disappears, like Roethlisberger has. And does it in January, when it counts.
    But I guess you Charger guys are thrilled with those Week 6 wins huh? Hey, different standards for different folks.
    The Chargers are fine when LT or Sproles gains 500 all-purpose yards a game, like against the Colts. Then when Sproles gets taken away, the Chargers have… uh… uh…
    Ben won with Parker not even able to break a stinkin’ 3 yards a carry. End of discussion.

  51. SixBurghDude says: Aug 6, 2009 5:56 PM

    @ Burnsy –
    Most of these dudes are uninformed, fantasy football geeks that put too much emphasis on meaningless stats. They overhear a commentator say that Ben’s a “game manager” at some point during his rookie year & take it as gospel 5 years later, when the majority of them have only seen a handful of his games, otherwise they would not expose themselves as the ignorant fools that they come off as, on these boards.

  52. Stuart Scotts left eye says: Aug 6, 2009 6:03 PM

    so what you guys are TRYING to say is that every player on a team that won a superbowl is better than every player to not win a superbowl? This I don’t get. If you’re talking about stats then Rivers is 3 points higher in QB rating but Ben has a few years on Rivers since Rivers was sitting behind Brees, who is also a top 5 QB in the league along with Rivers. On the head to head matchup, which is really never head to head because Rivers never matches up against Ben, in the last game Rivers had over 300 yards and Ben had 180. Was it Rivers’ fault that the Steelers had to #1 rush and pass defense in the year? Was it Bens? no. Ben has been placed on one of the best franchises in NFL history and Rivers has been placed on one of the worst.
    In the playoff game Rivers carried the team while Fast Willy gained over 140 yards rushing. The Chargers? well the Chargers got 15 yards rushing TOTAL. But I guess that’s because Ben is such a great QB.
    Like I said in a prior post, if both QB’s were on the opposite teams they wouldn’t fit in to each other’s offense. Rivers can’t run and Ben would have to itch to get out of the pocket when the Chargers run a lot of quick passes where it would be suicide to run.
    Both are completely different QB’s. It’s like comparing Vick to Brady ala 2004. Can’t do it. Two different players.
    And honestly, I believe both players deserve to break the bank. Rivers is a clear top 5 QB and Ben doesn’t need to stats, all he needs to do is win. Yet you Steeler fans want to fight and argue and wave rings in peoples faces because you think every player on your team is the best in the world. Fact is Steelers have one HELL of a front office and talent guys but can’t always get the player they want.

  53. Stuart Scotts left eye says: Aug 6, 2009 6:16 PM

    @ SixBurg
    “YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR, HUH??? TOOL!!!”
    Do you read what you want to read? I said his OFFENSE is better year after year after year. Rivers and Ben are leaders of the OFFENSE, not the entire team. And you want to not talk about Bens bike accident yet neglect to mention that in 07, while Ben had a insane year, Rivers’ knee was torn to shreads in minicamp and eventually came apart against the Colts. He had no plant foot all year and still played well.
    And yes, Rivers “rode the pine” for a few years but only because he had a fellow top 5 QB in front of him in Drew Brees who was a Charger far longer than Rivers was at that point. Brees had to lose his job and when he tore his shoulder he went to a team that built the offense around a passing game, not a running game.
    You’re frame of mind says that if I don’t think Ben is better than Rivers then I must think Ben sucks. On the contrary, my friend, I think Ben is a hell of a QB and tough as nails. I do think he’s a bit inconsistent but when he’s called upon he always comes through. Rivers is very similar but not always put into the same hero situations that Ben is placed in. Rivers came back from a 18 and 24 point defecit back to back in the second half against the Broncos (when they were pretty good) and the Bengals (playoff year). There’s no replays on those games because there was no Superbowl that year.
    It’s more often than not that the Chargers defense is the one that is made the fool of and the opposing QB is the one that is made to look like the hero. It’s just the sad fact of being a Charger fan, but that’s not at all Rivers’ fault.

  54. Stuart Scotts left eye says: Aug 6, 2009 6:25 PM

    @ SixBurg’s last comment
    “Most of these dudes are uninformed, fantasy football geeks that put too much emphasis on meaningless stats. They overhear a commentator say that Ben’s a “game manager” at some point during his rookie year & take it as gospel 5 years later, when the majority of them have only seen a handful of his games, otherwise they would not expose themselves as the ignorant fools that they come off as, on these boards.”
    Is that a valid excuse as to why Ben had such a poor year? You frown upon fans that compare Rivers’, for example, 34 TD and 11 INT’s to Bens 17/15 year performance and make the valid point that Rivers had the better year just because the Steelers won the championship. That’s a cop out my friend. Ben did not have a typical Ben year and his team still won the SB. But don’t look at other players on other teams and say that they suck and their fans are uninformed because they look at the only tangable information that a player could have, stats. C’mon, don’t be Raider fans here guys

  55. kdub says: Aug 6, 2009 6:27 PM

    You know what’s funny? This whole debate started because Steeler fans have to wave the rings in your face no matter what the topic is. Ben and the Steelers weren’t mentioned at any point in the article. Below is the post that started it all…
    SteelCurtnDee says:
    August 6, 2009 10:04 AM
    whats sad is ben roethlisberger will make less than both of them and has 2 rings.

  56. SixBurghDude says: Aug 6, 2009 8:14 PM

    StuartScott,
    In the spirit of time & beating a dead horse, I’ll address your 1st foible & leave it at that:
    Please show me how you arrived at the conclusion that Ben has enjoyed playing with better overall offensive talent than Philip has with the Chargers? You stated that the WR’s are comparable, then where are the Steelers better? RB? TE? OL?
    Didn’t think so! The correct answer is QB…how else would you account for the disparity in the success of the 2???

  57. Stuart Scotts left eye says: Aug 6, 2009 8:38 PM

    @ SixBurg,
    You are the master at spinning words. I didn’t say Steelers have a better offense, I said Rivers had the superior offense with comparable WR’s. Yes, we all know that Gates and LT is amazing and both OL are inconsistent but Rivers has shown the production throughout the year. The Chargers have consistently ranked among the top teams in points scored for the past 3 years in the league, not just compared to Pitt. But like I’ve said on numerous posts, Rivers is consistent throughout the game, not many are better. Ben is great inside 2 minutes, not many are better. No matter how much you are begging me to say that Ben sucks so you could post pictures of Lombardy trophies I’m not going to do it. I think Ben is a decent QB and plays very unusual as far as production but is tough as nails. He’s a linebacker with a strong right arm.

  58. SixBurghDude says: Aug 6, 2009 10:43 PM

    Stuart Scott,
    You validated my point, Rivers had 300 yds. passing? Inflated stats my friend, since the reason he had 300 yds. was because of his futility when the game was on the line, at which point, after the Steelers blew the game wide open, he padded his stats in the final qtr. once the game was LOST! 25% of those yds. came on a dump off to Sproles who took it to the house after the outcome was no longer in doubt. Rivers is a master of this, which is why he’s a fantasy stat compiler with overinflated numbers!!!

  59. Stuart Scotts left eye says: Aug 7, 2009 1:16 AM

    do you actually believe the crap that spews out of your mouth? Did you even watch the game? What about the teardrop to Jackson in the first quarter? Sure, it’s difficult to muster up points against the top rated defense but Rivers got 28 by himself practically. as a team the chargers got 15 yards rushing, total. Willy Parker got 140+ by himself. I was pointing out the fact that your team is much more well rounded than ours and you proceed to stick to your “stat’s don’t matter” rant. It sounds like a bad George Bush presser. Makes no sense but the spin is heavy.
    Learn football, then get back at me later.

  60. SixBurghDude says: Aug 7, 2009 1:35 PM

    “do you actually believe the crap that spews out of your mouth?”
    EVERY F*CKING WORD OF IT!

  61. jkorn1818 says: Aug 7, 2009 4:38 PM

    packerswin says:
    August 6, 2009 9:45 AM
    See what giving a player way more money than they deserve does? now every QB that is better than Eli (and there are lots of them) will want to rightfully make more money than he does, way to go you idiot Giants.
    ____________________________-_____
    coming from a packers fan that watched Eli destroy that “unbelievable secondary” in the NFC championship in -35 weather.

  62. jkorn1818 says: Aug 7, 2009 4:39 PM

    and i love everyone who says rivers doesnt have any wr’s
    chris chambers? antonio gates? and LT out of the backfield all those years? we all play fantasy football here, we all see and know of his 4 yard screen to LT and then he runs it another 75 for a TD..come on now

  63. kdub says: Aug 7, 2009 5:20 PM

    I think the point was that the Bolts don’t have a stud WR. Gates is a tight end and LT is a running back. They are productive catching the ball but they aren’t wide receivers.

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