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PFT rewind . . . Irvin calls Woodson "soft"

So we’re in the hotel room getting ready for a quick ride up I-77 to the Hall of Fame that matters most to Florio Jr., and we’re watching a show on NFL Network about Michael Irvin.

Since I’m working on the site, I’m not actually watching the screen.  And when highlights of Irvin’s on-field exploits appear, my wife says, “He just ran right by Rod Woodson.”

Which reminded me of Irvin’s not-so-friendly comments about Woodson from the days prior to the Hall of Fame vote.

“Soft,” Irvin said repeatedly during a Radio Row visit with our friends Scott Paulsen, Mike Logan, and Eddy Crow of ESPN Radio 1250 in Pittsburgh

When I lined up with him I saw intimidation in his eyes,” Irvin said.  “I just call that soft.”

So pay attention tonight to any possible interactions today between Woodson, who’s officially entering a place today not known as the “Hall of Soft,” and Irvin, who’s in Canton as part of the NFL Network crew.
 

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  1. C.Bass says: Aug 8, 2009 10:17 AM

    Who got in the HoF on his first attempt and who was caught doing crack?

  2. GB3Pack4 says: Aug 8, 2009 10:18 AM

    Irvin is a moron.

  3. JMClarkent says: Aug 8, 2009 10:24 AM

    Terrell Owens, Deion Sanders, the clerk at “Pimps Suits R Us.
    -What are “The only three people in North America who pay attention to what Micheal Irving has to say”…

  4. Bigdave720 says: Aug 8, 2009 10:28 AM

    I was watching that special this morning too. What I saw was Irvin not so much running “by” Woodson as running “through” him. Woodson closed on him just before the end zone but Irvin was just too strong and determined to be brought down and Woodson just fell off. Thought that was very revealing about Michael. His work ethic was second to none. Very inspirational. “Who’s going to out work me today?” Good attitude that’s probably found in any hall of famer in any walk of life.
    To all the haters . . . Yes, Michael had his share (and more!) of problems off the field but few have ever showed up at crunch time more than he did. Dude just got it done.

  5. misterj says: Aug 8, 2009 10:34 AM

    Actually he just wasn’t used to seeing a guy in front of him without coked up eyes.

  6. mborz says: Aug 8, 2009 10:40 AM

    Credible analysts judge if someone’s “soft” by what happens during plays, not between them.

  7. SixBurghDude says: Aug 8, 2009 10:51 AM

    Irvin, like many Cryboys before & after him is nothing more than a classless criminal & his H-O-F speech 2 yrs. ago was a DISGRACE, as it was blatantly stolen from the late Jimmy V., the only thing worse than a Cryboy, is a Cryboy from THUG U.!
    Last I checked, it was Rod Woodson, not that crack-smokin’, prostitute soliciting scum that was named to the NFL’s 75th anniversary team, while still active no less!!!
    Let’s hear it VOX, careful not to expose your Man-gina in the process!

  8. 2brauneyz says: Aug 8, 2009 10:54 AM

    Thanks for the heads-up. I wasn’t even going to watch, but instead wait for the delicious, picked-over soundbites. I just might set my Tivo now.

  9. CaptainFantastik says: Aug 8, 2009 10:58 AM

    So says Irvin, who never met a sideline (or line of coke) he didn’t like.

  10. Darth Ringo says: Aug 8, 2009 10:59 AM

    Irvin was probably just coked up when he said that, I doubt Woodson will hold it against him.

  11. Dustin Chandler says: Aug 8, 2009 11:00 AM

    Irvin must’ve been high as hell that day!

  12. ryans46d says: Aug 8, 2009 11:00 AM

    To add fuel to the fire, in NFL Network’s Top 10 players not in the HOF, Woodson said Andre Reed should be in over Michael Irvin. And he’s not wrong.

  13. zangy says: Aug 8, 2009 11:00 AM

    HAHAHAHA, Irvin is a joke. You could put several wideouts in his position on that offense and they would have performed well. Woodson took three different defenses to Superbowls and was a more effective offensive player than many of the offensive guys on his teams…besides, doing a gram of blow before a game would make anyone feel tough

  14. HappyBunny says: Aug 8, 2009 11:41 AM

    There is definitely something b/w these two. Last night, Woodson said that Carter should have been voted in the HoF before Michael (he’s wrong BTW).

  15. Alpheratz says: Aug 8, 2009 11:47 AM

    Irvin was / is a drug abuser. Some people won’t have any respect for that.
    That makes them a “hater” ?
    Most overused word of 2009.

  16. BorisBulldog says: Aug 8, 2009 12:06 PM

    “my wife says, “He just ran right by Rod Woodson.”
    Wow, Mrs. Florio sounds bright!

  17. VoxVeritas says: Aug 8, 2009 12:27 PM

    “Credible analysts judge if someone’s “soft” by what happens during plays, not between them.”
    What NFL team did you play for?

  18. i'm president charlie! says: Aug 8, 2009 12:29 PM

    The crack pipe wasnt his!!! He was making sure other people didnt smoke crack out of it!

  19. jkr says: Aug 8, 2009 12:37 PM

    Soft? The man had over 1000 tackles in his career and he also played db and safety.I don’t understand why this crackhead continues to open his mouth and why people listen, talk about soft crackhead Irvin only managed to get in the endzone 65 times good enough to be tied for 40th. Wow! you were awesome no not really you sucked and you don’t deserve to be in the hall.Woodson also played for the ravens where you are not aloud to be soft or Ray Lewis will kill you no seriously he will. So please oh please just make this guy go away does anyone like him? SO crackhead just shut your mouth and thank your lucky stars you made it to the hall with your mediocre numbers.

  20. empty13 says: Aug 8, 2009 12:41 PM

    the real haters are all these idiot obama supporters carelessly bandying about the fake word “haters”.
    i am sure they havent read saul alinsky’s “rules for radicals”, but they take their cuse from those who have.
    here’s a hint: all the people you constantly call haters are just the people who make america work.

  21. troll_aikman8 says: Aug 8, 2009 12:45 PM

    Irvin destroyed Rod Woodson every time they played. Sure a smarter guy would’ve kept his mouth shut, but that’s just Michael being Michael.

  22. VoxVeritas says: Aug 8, 2009 12:47 PM

    Well Irvin does have a point. He went up against Woodson multiple times and pretty much turned him every which way but loose. Why is that news? He did it to a lot of guys, some of them better in coverage than Woodson ever was.
    11/28/91 – Cowboys 20, Steelers 10. Irvin caught 8 for 157 yards
    9/4/94 – Cowboys 26, Steelers 9. Irvin caught 8 for 139
    1/28/96, Super Bowl 30 – Cowboys 27, Steelers 17. Irvin caught 5 for 76
    3 games, 21 catches for 372 yards. That’s not an accident.
    You don’t seem to have a problem with what James Harrison has done. Maybe it’s the PGH culture. Drugs = bad, silverback beating a woman’s ass = a-ok!

  23. VoxVeritas says: Aug 8, 2009 12:50 PM

    “The man had over 1000 tackles in his career and he also played db and safety.”
    Wow, so you’re saying that he played defensive back AND safety, huh? What a guy!

  24. CKL says: Aug 8, 2009 12:53 PM

    Well ok, maybe Irvin has a point…Woodson never did anything “hardcore badass” like stab a teammate with scissors.

  25. VoxVeritas says: Aug 8, 2009 12:54 PM

    “Irvin only managed to get in the endzone 65 times good enough to be tied for 40th.”
    Wow, that’s only 14 times more than Lynn Swann and only 2 times more than John Stallworth!

  26. troll_aikman8 says: Aug 8, 2009 12:59 PM

    Also, let’s not forget that Rod Woodson used steroids like many Stealers of the day. It’s one thing to do coke off the field a la L.Taylor and Irvin…it’s another to go all Shawn Merriman and still get put in the HoF. This is a tainted selection.
    Other notable Stealer steroid abusers:
    Kevin Greene, G.Lloyd, Carnell Lake…
    I’m surprised Rodney Harrison didn’t play on those teams.

  27. Matt says: Aug 8, 2009 1:29 PM

    VoxVeritas says:
    August 8, 2009 12:47 PM
    Well Irvin does have a point. He went up against Woodson multiple times and pretty much turned him every which way but loose. Why is that news? He did it to a lot of guys, some of them better in coverage than Woodson ever was.
    11/28/91 – Cowboys 20, Steelers 10. Irvin caught 8 for 157 yards
    9/4/94 – Cowboys 26, Steelers 9. Irvin caught 8 for 139
    1/28/96, Super Bowl 30 – Cowboys 27, Steelers 17. Irvin caught 5 for 76
    3 games, 21 catches for 372 yards. That’s not an accident.
    You don’t seem to have a problem with what James Harrison has done. Maybe it’s the PGH culture. Drugs = bad, silverback beating a woman’s ass = a-ok!
    *******************************************
    Is James Harrison the one running his mouth like an annoying attention-seeking child in this situation? When you run your mouth in an obnoxious manner within an open forum, people will criticize you. Harrison is irrelevant to this story; Irvin placed himself directly into this story. Therefore, please stick to the point and don’t chime in with extraneous garbage.

  28. Matt says: Aug 8, 2009 1:36 PM

    VoxVeritas says:
    August 8, 2009 12:47 PM
    Well Irvin does have a point. He went up against Woodson multiple times and pretty much turned him every which way but loose. Why is that news? He did it to a lot of guys, some of them better in coverage than Woodson ever was.
    11/28/91 – Cowboys 20, Steelers 10. Irvin caught 8 for 157 yards
    9/4/94 – Cowboys 26, Steelers 9. Irvin caught 8 for 139
    1/28/96, Super Bowl 30 – Cowboys 27, Steelers 17. Irvin caught 5 for 76
    3 games, 21 catches for 372 yards. That’s not an accident.
    You don’t seem to have a problem with what James Harrison has done. Maybe it’s the PGH culture. Drugs = bad, silverback beating a woman’s ass = a-ok!
    *******************************************
    Is James Harrison the one running his mouth like an annoying attention-seeking child in this situation? When you run your mouth in an obnoxious manner within an open forum, people will criticize you. Harrison is irrelevant to this story; Irvin placed himself directly into this story. Therefore, please stick to the point and don’t chime in with extraneous garbage.

  29. VoxVeritas says: Aug 8, 2009 1:41 PM

    Speaking of Stallworth and Swann…
    “shut your mouth and thank your lucky stars you made it to the hall with your mediocre numbers.”
    Stallworth = 537 catches, 8,723 yards
    Swann = 336 catches, 5,462 yards
    Irvin = 750 catches, 11,904 yards
    You need to reevaluate your opinions on which HoFers have mediocre numbers and which do not.

  30. steeltownpride says: Aug 8, 2009 2:08 PM

    Vox August 8, 2009 1:41 PM
    Speaking of Stallworth and Swann…
    “shut your mouth and thank your lucky stars you made it to the hall with your mediocre numbers.”
    Stallworth = 537 catches, 8,723 yards
    Swann = 336 catches, 5,462 yards
    Irvin = 750 catches, 11,904 yards
    You need to reevaluate your opinions on which HoFers have mediocre numbers and which do not.
    ==============================
    But Vox what you arent realizing either is the offense in those days was run oriented . But since you like stats both Swann and Stallworth averaged more yards per catch than Irving .
    Swann 16.255 per catch
    Stallworth 16.244
    Irving 15.872
    Swann had low number on TD’s but he got in for big catches and how he made those in big games and has a Superbowl MVP . Irving wasnt an MVP .
    Stallworth also only caught 537 passes and 63 Td’s . Irving only caught 2 more Td’s and he caught 213 less passes which makes him have a better average again lol .

  31. VoxVeritas says: Aug 8, 2009 2:30 PM

    oh and dont forget that Irvin had more TD catches than Swann AND Stallworth, jkr.

  32. VoxVeritas says: Aug 8, 2009 2:32 PM

    “Is James Harrison the one running his mouth like an annoying attention-seeking child in this situation?”
    No, but he does run his mouth and he does beat his woman. Yes, he’s pertinent to the discussion because somebody brought up conduct. And while I’m on the subject, let’s not forget that your Steelers were busted cheating the salary cap. The Steelers and their fans have absolutely no high ground from which to pontificate.

  33. STFU Donnie says: Aug 8, 2009 2:58 PM

    So the Cowboys weren’t “run-oriented”? Ever heard of some guy named Emmitt Smith?
    I have no problem with Stallworth in the Hall. But Swann was one-dimensional and the definition of SOFT.

  34. Jackal138 says: Aug 8, 2009 3:14 PM

    “the real haters are all these idiot obama supporters carelessly bandying about the fake word “haters””
    Did anyone ask what you think, racist?

  35. nflqb says: Aug 8, 2009 3:18 PM

    If Irving is talking about the superbowl game than that is just pathetic on his part since Woodson had an acl week one of the regular season and did not return till the superbowl .

  36. veistran says: Aug 8, 2009 3:49 PM

    Irvin’s numbers really aren’t that impressive when you look at the number of legit HoF players he played with that have much more impressive numbers at their respective positions.

  37. VoxVeritas says: Aug 8, 2009 3:57 PM

    “But Vox what you arent realizing either is the offense in those days was run oriented ”
    I suppose you’re gonna tell me that the 90’s Cowboys were not run oriented? Irvin smoked your boy Woodson, there’s no way to get around that basic fact of life. Stallworth and Swann didn’t get in the HoF on stats, both guys have decidedly pedestrian stats. They got in on the weight of the Steelers championships of the 70’s. Without those, neither of them would get a sniff for the Hall of Fame. Well guess what, Irvin’s got both. HoF worthy stats in a run-oriented offense that would get him in without the championships… but he also has the championships. You’re lucky that his career ended early because on injury, he easily could have outproduced Swann and Stallworth put together. He was within only a couple of seasons worth of catches and yards of doing just that. Don’t bring that yards per catch crap up, Alvin Harper averaged over 18 yards per catch.

  38. VoxVeritas says: Aug 8, 2009 4:21 PM

    “Irvin’s numbers really aren’t that impressive when you look at the number of legit HoF players he played with that have much more impressive numbers at their respective positions.”
    Name them.

  39. VoxVeritas says: Aug 8, 2009 4:24 PM

    “If Irving is talking about the superbowl game than that is just pathetic on his part since Woodson had an acl week one of the regular season and did not return till the superbowl .”
    Are you saying that Woodson wasn’t ready to play? Sorry man, but Irvin could only go up against the guys that Cowher put on the field.

  40. mrmagoo says: Aug 8, 2009 4:27 PM

    Our little Vox can be depended on to fanboy up whenever Irvin is mentioned. A man who cut another man’s throat with a pair of scissors probably considers most of the the rest of the world to be ‘soft’.
    However, Irvin is entitled to his opinion- however divorced from reality most people would consider it to be.
    empty13- pace yourself. You’ve got another 7 1/2 years to go. :)

  41. Rice80 says: Aug 8, 2009 4:34 PM

    My favorite player is the best!
    No, my favorite player is the best.
    Why don’t you both just admire each player in the HoF for their accomplishments on the field?
    Why do you feel the need to pump up your chest trying to prove yourself right? Nobody cares about your viewpoints except you.
    They were both great players which is why they were each selected by a hand selected committee (that surely didn’t include anyone here) to represent the best of the best ever to grace the field in the NFL.
    I am the alpha male.

  42. SixBurghDude says: Aug 8, 2009 4:58 PM

    Vox,
    Spin it however you want, TOOL, fact is steeltownpride took your sorry ass to school!
    Rod Woodson is without a doubt top 10 all-time at either Corner or Safety & arguably top 5 at both as well…Irvin wouldn’t smell the top 25 Wideouts of all-time, now go ahead & divert the topic to Swann & Stallworth not being top 25 worthy either, I agree based on stats, but where they seperate themselves & enter the top 25, unlike Irvin, is the bigger the game, the bigger the impact each had on the game!!!
    @ TrollAikman-
    YOU ARE AS IGNORANT AS THEY COME REGARDING THE GAME OF FOOTBALL SON!

  43. EskinSux says: Aug 8, 2009 5:13 PM

    LOL @Rice80…….This kinda reminds me of when my mom and her sisters would argue who was hotter, Tom Jones or Englebert Humperdink, granted they were all in their 70’s when this debate transpired….Too funny…..

  44. SixBurghDude says: Aug 8, 2009 5:17 PM

    Vox,
    Those 5 catches for 76 yds. in SBXXX were nothing to pump your sack up over!
    Btw, you’re such an authority, you didn’t even know that Woodson played nickel back in that, last post-season win for your Cryboys, not corner……Bwhahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

  45. empty13 says: Aug 8, 2009 5:19 PM

    the old steelers used to run the ball an awful lot. so, their WRs cant be expected to rack up the same stats as someone who didnt always have alvin harper over there too to share the throws with.
    and jackal, who gives a damn what you think? i dont need your permission for anything. gfy. you dont have anything to say that one doesnt constantly hear from the mass media or the gummint.
    as opposed to what dingell and co say about their opponents at town halls – calling taxpaying americans “infiltrators”, i dont care who posts where.
    if i am such a eeeeeevvvvvvvvvvviiiiiiiillll racist, why did 12% of america all vote for the one guy who looks like them? my oh my, they look racist to me. and they commit most crime, so, looks like them who scream hater are just as usual projecting their own hate.
    racist is just like hater, a fake word. dreamed up by dirtbags.
    and… no one knows how long i have to go.

  46. Jackal138 says: Aug 8, 2009 5:20 PM

    Michael Irvin still leads the league in the “Number of teammates stabbes in the neck with scissors” stat, with 1.

  47. SixBurghDude says: Aug 8, 2009 5:53 PM

    VoxVeritas says:
    “Irvin’s numbers really aren’t that impressive when you look at the number of legit HoF players he played with that have much more impressive numbers at their respective positions.”
    Name them.
    All of the following would rank higher, all-time, at their respective positions than Irvin:
    1. Aikman!
    2. Emmitt!
    3. Larry Allen!
    4. Erik Williams!
    5. Novacek?
    6. Moose?
    Take away Irvin & at least half the offense was better than him……dude, you didn’t even know that Woodson played nickel, not corner, in SBXXX & wasn’t primarily responsible for covering Irvin…btw those 5 grabs for 76 yds. are nothing to pump your sack up over!!!

  48. VoxVeritas says: Aug 8, 2009 6:12 PM

    “Terrell Owens, Deion Sanders, the clerk at “Pimps Suits R Us.”
    Let me guess… you never heard of a guy named Frenchy Fuqua, have you?

  49. steeltownpride says: Aug 8, 2009 6:20 PM

    Vox forgive me its saturday and my math isnt the best but let me give this another try see if someone of your ilk can understand ok . I will move slow to i dont loose you .
    I love stats too . So here are the TD to catch ratio’s for Swann , Stallworth and Irving .
    Swann caught a td every 6.59 catches per ave
    Stallworth caught a td every 8.52 catches per ave .
    Irving caught a td every 11.54 catches per ave .
    Now since you like your stats , choke on those number ok ? lol See though their numbers werent big as Irving he caught alot more passes and still didnt average that much if you compare numbers . And for shit and giggles i took the time to take the numbers and see what both Swann and Stallworth would have had if you take their averages for their careers and gave them both 750 catches like Irving . So here are the totals and please enjoy them and im looking forward to seeing your response ok ? Dont run and hide now .
    Irving 750 catches 11,904
    Stallworth 750 catches 12,183
    Swann 750 catches 12,191
    Now you see why Swann and Stallworth are Hofers lol . Now if you are in the mood now figure out how many more Tds Swann and Stallworth would have had if they had 750 catches like Irving . Case close my friend move on to another topis ok ? And P.S. When you had a back like Franco Harris Hof too you didnt throw much .

  50. VoxVeritas says: Aug 8, 2009 6:24 PM

    ” All of the following would rank higher, all-time, at their respective positions than Irvin:”
    Opinion. Anybody that knows anything about the NFL knows that Michael Irvin made the offense go. He was the unquestionable emotional leader and was a workout warrior that set an example for every single player on the team to follow. We can argue about off the field stuff all day long, I’m on record as saying that I don’t really have any respect for Irvin as a person, but as a player… he’s beyond reproach.
    1. Aikman!
    BRADSHAW!
    2. Emmitt!
    FRANCO!
    3. Larry Allen!
    Didn’t even show up until 1994. MULLINS!
    4. Erik Williams!
    BROWN!
    5. Novacek?
    GROSSMAN!
    6. Moose?”
    BLEIER!

  51. VoxVeritas says: Aug 8, 2009 6:28 PM

    “Our little Vox can be depended on to fanboy up whenever Irvin is mentioned.”
    Don’t be mad just because Irvin scared Woodson and made him look like a little girl every time they played each other. If it makes you feel any better, Emmitt made Greg Lloyd look like a one-legged ballerina.

  52. stillworker says: Aug 8, 2009 6:33 PM

    You posted the exact same article back when Woodson was named to the HOF………ASS.

  53. VoxVeritas says: Aug 8, 2009 6:45 PM

    “Those 5 catches for 76 yds. in SBXXX were nothing to pump your sack up over!”
    76 yards represents about 30% of the Cowboys offensive yardage in that game. More impressive than Big Ben’s 72.2 passer rating in Super Bowls, so remember you said that next time you talk about what a great QB he is. Irvin could have had more catches for more yards if O’Donnell hadn’t gone colorblind, giving the Cowboys O a short field to work with. Do the math, the Cowboys only had 61 yards of offense in the second half, yet they outscored the Steelers, who had over 200 yards in the second half, 14-10.

  54. VoxVeritas says: Aug 8, 2009 7:06 PM

    “the old steelers used to run the ball an awful lot. so, their WRs cant be expected to rack up the same stats as someone who didnt always have alvin harper over there too to share the throws with.”
    So you’re saying that the Cowboys didn’t run the ball an awful lot? Emmitt Smith, hello?!? And don’t forget that he got a lot of receptions for a long time before they cut back to save his legs. 49, 59, 57, 50, 62, 47, 40 receptions from 1990-1996. And of course Alvin Harper was good for about 30 a season while he was there.
    And are you saying that the Cowboys didn’t really have a receiving option to take numbers away from Irvin? I got two words for you: Jay Novacek. You remember him, don’t you? You should, Eagirls fan.

  55. VoxVeritas says: Aug 8, 2009 7:20 PM

    “Now since you like your stats , choke on those number ok ?”
    You guys cherrypick stats like this and expect me to choke on them, really?
    “And for shit and giggles i took the time to take the numbers and see what both Swann and Stallworth would have had if you take their averages for their careers and gave them both 750 catches like Irving.”
    You wasted your time. Extrapolation assumes that those guys could have played at the same level for an extended period of time and if you’re extrapolating for one side, logic would dictate that you do it for all sides. Should I make assumptions on what Irvin’s numbers would be if he had played 14 seasons, like John Stallworth did?
    Fact is they didn’t catch 750 and may have had to play in their 50s to catch that many at the rate they were going when they retired. Irvin made Woodson look weak. Stallworth and Swann BOTH played well past their expiration dates (especially Swann, he never caught more than 44 in a season in his last four seasons and was averaging like 2 catches per game in his last season) and still didn’t come close. I’m not interested in your fantasy football. I didn’t read past this point. These are nothing more than facts that you will have to learn to live with. Go suck a lemon.

  56. jordanv says: Aug 8, 2009 8:03 PM

    Ya just like cowpuke fans to make excuses for the biggest jerk to ever play in the NFL!! Fact is, Irvins numbers are very comparible to Keyshawn Johnson’s numbers and “Key” isn’t sniffing the HOF!! He got in there because he played for the cowpukes, plain and simple if he had played anywhere else he be in the hall. Jesus man he had one season when he only caught 1 td, and I believe (although I might be wrong) that he only had one season where he caught double-digit td’s!! Ya he was the “playmaker” (just ask him he’ll tell you) but apparently just not in the redzone!!!

  57. steeltownpride says: Aug 8, 2009 8:04 PM

    And something else you have to consider . When Irving played the rules has changed the open the game up and score more .
    Swann and Stallworth played where you got mugged when the ball got snapped . Thats why its called the Mel Blount rule . Hofer too .

  58. steeltownpride says: Aug 8, 2009 8:16 PM

    And one last thing i didnt say . I wasnt cherry picking any status you moron . You compared Irvings stats to Stallworth and Swann .
    You gave the receptions , yardage and td’s . I used the stats that you provided in your earlier arguments . And figured out the averages . So your argument went against you and now all of a sudden im cherry picking lol . If you want to compare their careers any further with anything you like so im not “cherry Picking ” lol .
    How else you want to compare them ? Superbowl wins ?

  59. SixBurghDude says: Aug 8, 2009 8:29 PM

    Vox,
    Once again, as is your M.O., you take the topic out of context & spin it in your favor, this started as a comparison of who is better all-time Woodson or Irvin & I noticed that you had no retort for my statement that Woodson ranks much higher than Irvin at his position.
    As for the Steelers that you posted in reply to the Cryboys that I named as being better than Irvin at their respective positions, Champions all, I’ll give you that, but none of the Steelers you mention, with the exception of Bradshaw & Harris were ever named to a Pro Bowl & none of those 4 were better than Swann or Stallworth…on the other hand I’m sure that all 6 players I mention as being better than or possibly as good as Irvin were named to Pro Bowls. This argument was never about how important Swann & Stallworth were to the Steelers, but that didn’t prevent you from doing what you do in spinning it in that direction.
    Regarding SBXXX, I could have mentioned that the Steelers held the statistical edge in that game, but the fact is they didn’t win the game because our QB gave you the game. Your team won the game on the scoreboard & that is all that counts, no matter that the Steelers had your Cryboy defense, on all fours sucking wind during every TV timeout during the 2nd half, they were on the ropes & our paid off QB (who entered the game as the NFL’s all-time leader in int. pct., how else would you explain it?) let ‘em up! Congrats, your boys finally won one against us, now if your boy Romo can only find a way to do the same…good luck with that!

  60. SixBurghDude says: Aug 8, 2009 8:40 PM

    @ steeltownpride-
    Leave the king of cherry picking stats out of context as to the discussion at hand, to lick his wounds. You already schooled the fool!
    I’d be a bitter tool too, if my team hadn’t won a damned thing in going on 2 decades…dude has ZERO game!!!

  61. mborz says: Aug 8, 2009 8:50 PM

    VoxVeritas said: “What NFL team did you play for?”
    This is the second time you’ve used this gem on me.
    Why do I need to be an NFL player to critique an analyst?
    Look, if you disagree with what I said, then by all means, disagree. But don’t you think it would be more effective to refute the actual point if you’re going to bother typing at all?
    I’ll give you another chance. I’ll speak out about the topic again:
    To judge someone as soft by a perceived look in their eye, rather than what they did during actual game play is laughable. It doesn’t really even make any sense.
    If Irvin wants his charge to stick beyond the small group of people who lap up everything he says, he could certainly come up with a concrete example during game play of Woodson being soft. Woodson played in the NFL for 16 years, after all. Certainly if someone were to make a credible claim, they could find at least one real example over 16 years of a career. Right? But did we get that? No, we didn’t. Irvin’s research of Woodson being soft either didn’t occur, or he wasn’t able to come up with anything. So what do we get instead? Irvin detected a look in Woodson’s eye, and that’s why he’s soft.
    I don’t even know why you’re arguing this one.

  62. jordanv says: Aug 8, 2009 9:04 PM

    I’m a lifelong Eagles fan and you know what? Harold C. didn’t have the yards and catches that Crackhead Irvin did, but I believe had 14 more scores he also did it in the same era as Swann and Stallworth,and there were some bad Eagle teams in the 70’s. So if you ask me he is just as deserving as Irvin, but never sniffed the HOF. It just goes to show the Cowboy bias in this country. Hell during the season you can’ turn it on espn without them waning on and on about the Cowboys. They talk more about Romo on that network more than they talk about Manning, Brady and Roethlisberger combined, it is un believeable!!!

  63. jordanv says: Aug 8, 2009 9:12 PM

    I meant to say in my earlier post that if he had been on another team he wouldn’t be in the HOF!! Also Irvin’s lovers I’ve never heard any allegations that Woodson did ‘roids’. Where’s that coming from? Are you just making stuff up as you go? While we are at you know what, just throwing this out there
    I’m pretty sure Randy White did steroids!!! I have no basis for that, just like the Cowboy fan that made up the Woodson thing!!!

  64. jordanv says: Aug 8, 2009 9:18 PM

    I literally quit watchin the espn pregame show because he was on there, I couldn’t take it, the obvious bias toward the cowboys palyers at the time. And how bout acting like a total idiot toward anyone that played at the U!! He talked about every player that came out of that place like they were all future HOF’ers!! It’s funny Emmitt smith is on there now and does a better job w/o the bias. You never hear him droning on and on about every Florida player that comes down the pike!!

  65. TasteTheSteel says: Aug 9, 2009 3:55 PM

    Vox, I hardly think people from

  66. mark says: Aug 9, 2009 10:41 PM

    Michael Irvin,
    I sure hope you read this, this is an invitation to my house!I personally would like to show you, your followers, & your family how much a ghetto punk you are!Yea, you got all of your accolades, I’ll give you that.But you never had enough class to keep your mouth shut.I believe I can do that for you.It’s a shame you just can’t watch your teamates and learn from them.I can only imagine what goes through their mind when you open your mouth, probably disappointment.So now I’m telling you, your the biggest punk the NFL has ever had!

  67. nflandboobs says: Aug 11, 2009 6:06 AM

    Woodson didn’t strike me as soft, so I think this is more of a presonal thing between him and Irvin. God knows Rod will take subtle shots at guys he doesn’t like. You’d have to be blind or a Steelers home not to notice it.
    Eh, in the end, Irvin owned him in the head-to-head match-ups, Irvin’s in the HoF whether Rod likes it or not, and Irvin has more rings. Soft or not, Rod ain’t got much on Mike.

  68. tsenator says: Aug 11, 2009 9:14 AM

    “Stallworth = 537 catches, 8,723 yards
    Swann = 336 catches, 5,462 yards
    Irvin = 750 catches, 11,904 yards”
    All you pin head statistics boys lose the forest through the tree’s. Anyone that purely finds stats to make ones points is missing half the argument.
    Yes the above stats are nice and all, but what everyone seems to conveniently forget is that these were 2 completely different era’s for Wide Recievers with widely different rules.
    In the Stallworth/Swan era defenders were able to practically mug Wide Recievers. (dare I say making it much much more difficult to get catches and yards)
    The NFL knew this – in an effort to “open up the game” It wasn’t until the late 70’s early 80’s that defenders were only permitted to make contact with eligible receivers only once. And then a little a year or two later rules changed again permitted a defender to maintain contact with a receiver within five yards of the line of scrimmage, but restricted contact beyond that point. (Not to mention the the pass-blocking rule was now interpreted to permit the extending of arms and open hands. — People knock Bradshaw’s Stats a little but I wonder how much better he could have been with a little more time and protection the newer rules that favored offense would have been)
    So to all you that denigrate Stallworth/Swan’s numbers you need to put it into context and then realize their acheivements were that much more special. Really very few wide recievers from that era could compare
    Ps. Irvin is a bit of a Pin Head and everytime he talks on TV I cringe. He’s not smart enough to know when to keep his mouth shut

  69. mark says: Aug 11, 2009 5:03 PM

    I’m still waiting on you Michael “GHETTO PUNK” IRVIN! Your an ambarassement to the human race by the way you carry yourself. Your not at U.M. anymore punk! Grow up and be a man!

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