Comments on: Vince Young takes a step back

By: theaman

theaman — Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:27:48 +0000

Wow, alot of experts here. Clearly any good QB has some things that they do very well. But being a good QB is not only doing well at the things you are good at, its about being able to to improvise, to change the game, make something out of nothing. Vince was clearly put in a situation by his coaches, and the coaches got exactly what they wwere looking for. Thats why young could sit out the rest of the game and let the other guys have a chance. I think its a step forward, and VY starts the 4th game of the season. We need a leader at QB not a manager.

By: the real deal

the real deal — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:26:08 +0000

It is a bunch of crap, Ed.
Just so your ignorant self understands this, Byron Leftwich won the Superbowl last year as well as Dennis Dixon…….
So that is another 2 black qb’s to have a ring, they just were not the starters! The reason they did not start is that Berger is better and prooved it by winning the bowl……..
Black qb’s could of won the bowl various times, they just happened to get outplayed,
McNabb outgunned by Brady, McNair outgunned by Warner, and every other black qb qho lost in the play offs………….
But your ignorant and behind the times and continue to play the race card, unbelievable…….
Honestly racism is disgusting, but there are two ends of the stick… And you are on a racist side…. A side that obviously can not handle the fact that not as many black won as a starting qb…..
You racist scum, you are nothing more than a black nazi……….Get a brain, it is because of ignorance like yours people who are not racist wonder why they get treated the way you treat people………A black pride tattoo is fine? but a white pride isn’t double freaking standards man…. If you went up to Canada would you be as ignorant, Because as I recalled Canada freed the black slaves and have lots of black qb’s in their league………………….Racism can’t end until both sides end it!

By: edRice

edRice — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:48:48 +0000

Some in the NFL would have you believe that the reason only one Black quarteback has won the Superbowl is because they’re either to dumb (wonderlic score) or too lazy to read defenses.
I think that’s a bunch of crap!!!

By: the real deal

the real deal — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:05:07 +0000

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
the wonderlic score of 6!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
this guy is a pure idiot, !
6? seriously!! and on a retest he only got 15!!!!
YOU HAVE 4 YEARS TO STUDY FOR THIS!
Obviously the idiot owner who preferred this idiot from texas was an idiot himself…..
I just mean this guy had a very expensive education at TEXAS and he only got a 6!!
I am not laughing at anyone who would get a 6 without an education, but a 100 grand education,? what an idiot!

By: John

John — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:03:54 +0000

Super Bowl?…. Hall of Fame?…..C’mon man, the game in Canton is the closest he will ever come to the Hall of Fame!

By: Bob Nelson

Bob Nelson — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:52:50 +0000

Some players will never be good Quarterbacks. You can tell just by looking at them.
And their Wonderlic score.

By: VonClausewitz

VonClausewitz — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:19:13 +0000

Race schmace. When you get a chance you take it. When the opportunity arise you maximize it. This is the same for every QB regardless if they’re white, brown, purple or plaid. There are more than enough biases out there to torpedo a career that you can’t take anything for granted. You have to prove yourself over and over and over again.
VY didn’t put the effort necessary into being a pro level QB. End of story. He had a honeymoon for a couple of years like any first rounder gets. It wasn’t like people weren’t unaware of his deficiencies his first 2 years. They were just being nice and giving him the benefit of the doubt. Well he didn’t do what he needed to do and the honeymoon is over. Now he has to earn it.

By: FLORIO_IS_A_SELLOUT

FLORIO_IS_A_SELLOUT — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:55:37 +0000

jersey73 says:
August 10, 2009 7:24 AM
Didn’t Vince Young say he was going to be in the Super Bowl and the Hall of Fame someday? I guess he just combined them into the Hall of Fame Bowl
LOL

By: roofles

roofles — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:45:10 +0000

“That’s the same stereotyping that has kept athletic QB’s, and lets be frank, Black Quarterbacks from historically competing in similar percentages as every other position.”
d. mcnabb, steve young (mobile, not black but in your book the two must be mutually exclusive), steve mcnair, and randall cunningham all just had a good chuckle at your post.
keep trying though, nothing sadder than seeing someone blame their shortcomings on the color of their skin.

By: darrius_heyward-bey-butterfingers

darrius_heyward-bey-butterfingers — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:00:36 +0000

“The NFL isn’t ready…”? Shove it. Remember Steve Young? What a great PASSER rating he had? How well he could run? Vince isn’t a dual threat. He sucks at being the guy that throws the ball.

By: Baseball First

Baseball First — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:59:30 +0000

edRice, you are obviously black. That is OK. You are also a racist. That is OK, too. What bothers me is that you are an idiot. When all else fails a black racist will always play the race card. It is your security blanket against failure. Are you helping OJ find the real killers? After all, Nicole Brown was a white woman with a colorblind heart and fell in love with a “man.” She cared not a bit about his color. Grow up and let go of the past. Racism still happens, but it will never be eradicated by that chip you hold on your shoulder.

By: Never more

Never more — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:36:42 +0000

I hear you meezle I will agree that the media is quick to give upon a black QB but only because they know it will generate more interest. This country loves to get into this argument. I do agree McNabb is a GREAT QB. And I think he was unfairly benched and he showed true professionalism by responding the way he did.
It is my opionion that often collge QB’s that are great athletes are so used to out running or creating on the fly that when they are against others that are equals as athletes they can’t compete because they are not used to it. They often don’t know how to respond.
The difference at the pro level between busts and HOF’ers is the ability to read defenses and make smart throws. Every QB in the NFL can throw the ball 60 yards, they are all big strong guys (with a couple of exceptions) the difference is they study the game. Look at Tom Brady, he was decent at Uof M and he is a world beater now because he is a football junkie.
IF Vick would have spent time reading playbooks instead of killing puppies he would have been the best EVER!! But he was too interested in being a cruel thug. Is it because he’s black that he killed dogs and got in the trouble he’s in ?? No it’s because he’s an idiot! Just stop making excuses for poor decisions and play that’s all I’m saying.

By: the real deal

the real deal — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:35:34 +0000

WOW you people are so stupid!!
how can you call this a race issue.
Clearly if this is a race issue the only reason I am not an NFL running back is because I am white!!
no questions asked, the nfl is not ready fora dominant white running back!
HOW MANY WHITE RUNNING BACKS ARE THERE??
PURE RACISM HERE!!!!! FREAKING OWNERS ARE RACISTS!!!!!!!
white man can’t succeed at running back because the owners/coaches/managers are all racists!!
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honestly that is exactly what you idiots are typing calling this a race issue, replace the words white running back with black qb and it is exactly what you uneducated idiots are typing……maybe it is this style of thinking and lack of education that is actually holding people like terrible vince young back
stupid stupid people…….

By: Never more

Never more — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:24:38 +0000

Good job edRice keep it going. We love to piss and moan about how unfair it all is. If the quarterbacks you speak of were so great, then why did they get moved?? You’re telling me that a coach that has a family to feed and a job to keep is going to put his reputation and job on the line if he has a superior quaterback and moves him to another spot?? It may have been true in the old days, in pop warner ball or even as high up as high school, but when real money is involved there is NO WAY that will happen. In the NFL the only color that matters is GREEN!!! When VY can actually produce as a player he will play. Until then he will not play, even if he gets a Michael Jackson skin treatment. So how about this question, would VY be veiwed any different if he were white? What about Eric Crouch?? He could run as fast as anyone and led Nebraska to a National Championship and he never panned out in the NFL. Even as a receiver or DB, he was white. What is your reasoning on this??? Stop making excuses for bad play.

By: m2002m

m2002m — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:14:58 +0000

Ou1
You FORGOT to remind US at the end of THE third POST who you ARE, so yes, you NEED to say MORE.

By: Chuck F-ing Finklestein

Chuck F-ing Finklestein — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:05:16 +0000

He sure looked like a Hall of Fame QB, that is if Hall of Fame QBs were brainless twits with no clue how to read defenses… or English, for that matter.

By: meezle

meezle — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:54:40 +0000

Never more, take it easy,
While those 2 were excessive in their thoughts, a lot of people on here do subconsciously make it a race thing. Not that they do it on purpose or even know that they do it, but they do none the less. No one is saying you’re like that, well at least I’m not.
I admit that I tend to defend the black qb more often, minus Vick, but that is I feel like the media gives up on them to easily.
I think they aren’t given an equal chance sometimes by their head coaches. Compare 2 qbs for example, Manning and McNabb. Yes Mannings passing stats dwarf McNabbs, and he has one SB ring, but you can’t deny the success McNabb has had throughout his career. I’m not saying McNabb is better, but when it comes to winning, McNabb has shown more of an ability to win over the years. Would Mannings coach ever consider benching him?
God no, he would be called the dumbest coach ever, but people thought Andy Reid was justified in benching McNabb…
Just something to think about
PS. VY does suck, sorry guys

By: edRice

edRice — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:51:37 +0000

The game of football has been moving great
black quarterbacks from the quarterback
position to split end or running back
from grade school to the NFL.
Yes it is a race issue!!!

By: edRice

edRice — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:47:43 +0000

The NFL is not ready for a true Superstar at the quarterback position that
can both run, pass, and think. The NFL is not ready for an athlete that can run, pass,
and lead his team. An athlete that can raise the level of play for the
entire league. That’s why I find many of the games boring to watch.

By: MaineMan

MaineMan — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:37:49 +0000

Before the pick was even in the hands of the defender, my wife said, “Receiver ran the wrong route.” If you had to wait for Hawkins’ confession, you’re not really paying close enough attention to the football game. Although, of course, the game DID distract a bit from what was obviously the “main show” in the broadcast booth.
OTOH, with the play clock ticking down, helmet communications screwy and a 2nd/3rd-string O-line giving him little time, and the receivers in the area well-covered, Young probably should have thrown the ball away. That would at least have demonstrated good awareness and decision-making.
Young is a very talented athlete, but his particular strengths are of little usefulness as an NFL QB. It’s been a mismatch from the get-go. No slam on Young, but I still have no idea why he was drafted before the 4th or 5th round or why he was taken as a QB in the first place. As a person, he was put in a horrible position by a truly boneheaded decision on the part of the Titans’ “brain” trust.
If there’s no practical way for him to transition to an NFL WR at this point, transferring him to the UFL ASAP so he can begin his “recovery” would be the humane thing to do.

By: Never more

Never more — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:31:54 +0000

BTW, I also think this article is a bit unfair to VY. It’s preseason, the first preseason game to be exact, so give him a break will ya?Let’s see how he shapes up before we decide that he’s done in the NFL.

By: Never more

Never more — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:28:25 +0000

How in the effin hell did this become a race issue??? What about this article or situation has to do with race. VY HAPPENS to be black. I get so sick of everytime a black athlete screws up it is some how a white mans fault. Racism is racism, there is no reverse racism. So if you want racism to stop, then stop being racist. This means YOU ique and OU1. Why do you feel the need to perpetuate the ongoing racist crap that continues to divide the country. I am a young white male and I have never “held anyone down”. So SHUT UP!! with this over used crutch! VY might not be playing well because he is just not that good in the Pros. It happens to a lot of college QB’s, hell for that matter college football players. Rick Mirer was a bust because he was Catholic and his coaches in the pros were Protestant, see how stupid that sounds?? VY is struggling because he can’t “out athelete” everyone any more. End of story.

By: dailyminefield

dailyminefield — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:27:15 +0000

4 points to make.
1. VY scored on his drives, Ramsey did not.
2. INT was ugly but receiver ran wrong route
3. If Chris Henry could catch a screen pass and quit running into people those drives look much better.
4. VY was with the second team line and Chris Henry who should be 5th string RB. Dude got lucky with one run, but cannot hit a hole and pick up the 3-5 yard runs for crap.
I don’t think VY is a great QB, but he is IMO the best backup in the NFL and with some seasoning and time in the pocket could be a very good QB. Maybe no Canton worthy, but …….
I think some of this is piling on.

By: Silver&Black666

Silver&Black666 — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:25:45 +0000

Jspicoli
1st or 2nd year QB’s to go to the playoffs
Ben Rapensberger
Joe Flaco
Matt Ryan
Dan Mariono
To name a few

By: espnfaninhouston

espnfaninhouston — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:17:20 +0000

Florio didn’t even right this a Tulane Grad did wow at how many dumb users in this thread.

By: meezle

meezle — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:15:46 +0000

Lets see if this finally goes through…
I hate, with a great passion, to be the one to play the race card, but I do think it needs to be played here.
I think there is less patience with black qbs as people are willing to admit. QBs like Jason Campbell, T-Jack, and VY havent even been given 3 full seasons. While I believe VY doesn’t need 3 seasons to realize he is an ok qb at best, more of a game manager, and an obvious mental midget, the other too are constantly being bashed on this site.
One of the best qbs in the last 10 years, D McNabb, was almost kicked to the curb last year, and would’ve if everyone had their way, but he was given the chance he deserved and didn’t disappoint.
Jason Campbell will surprise everyone this season, and again I hate the skins
Just my thoughts

By: JSpicoli

JSpicoli — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:09:33 +0000

I’ll wait to see something more than a glorified scrimage. It was what it was, but Florio is nitpicking.
Young always had “it”. Check his career. He was starting to do some of it in the NFL and here we are. He needs to reclaim what he was already doing. How many 2nd year QB’s lead their team, in any manner, to the playoffs?

By: Silver&Black666

Silver&Black666 — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:05:37 +0000

Anyone who hasn’t awakened to the fact that everything in this country is driven by the mighty dollar is still living a very sheltered life or with their head up their ass.
Sports and entertainment are driven by revenues and money. Race is not an issue when it comes to making money or winning football games by any owner or advertiser I can assure you.
If you believe an NFL owner would sabotage his own team because of racial values then your paranoid or into conspiracy theories.
Every owner has two things on their mind, making money and winning, neither of those are racially motivated.
VY sucks ass weather he is white, black, brown , or yellow the guy is a BUST.

By: nflqb

nflqb — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:48:06 +0000

Doug williams was a tremendous pocket passer who won a superbowl. He could not run at all and guess what, he was black!
This is not pee wee football where you just let the qb run left, right or middle on 95% of the plays , this is the nfl people!

By: shaunypoo

shaunypoo — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:22:49 +0000

Isn’t this the same coach who took McNair and did well with him? Look, VY was a great college QB, and he parleyed that into a top 3 pick, but I think it is pretty obvious that he is becoming a bust. He has no accuracy, his footwork sucks, he has no presence, he has no leadership of an NFL huddle, his decision making is horrible, he doesn’t seem to know the playbook, and he is dumb as a bag of rocks. He made the pro bowl because almost a dozen other QBs pulled out with injuries. His team went to the playoff despite him.
NFL teams want to win, so to say they are holding back the best and most talented players and coaches because they are black, especially in this era, is just plain stupid. Everyone wants the hot, new coach, so his skin color is not an obstacle. Maybe there are no offensive minded black coaches that are any good right now, did you think of that? And exceedingly athletic black players don’t typically play QB, they play WR or RB and thrive there.