On Sunday night, quarterback Mike Vick will officially break his silence in an interview with James Brown.
Though Brown doesn’t work for 60 Minutes, the “get” has gotten him a segment on the show, for the purposes of broadcasting the sit-down with Vick.
Though we’ll withhold judgment on whether Brown’s interview consists of softball, fastballs, screwballs, and/or beanballs, we’ve got a feeling that it won’t be the kind of hard-hitting interview that might have generated genuine sympathy for Vick (or, alternatively, exposed his contrition as fraudulent).
We base our initial impression of the interview on Brown’s comments regarding the session on NFL Network’s Total Access.
For example, Brown explains that Vick “was introduced to [dogfighting] at a very young age, so he didn’t see much wrong
with it.” Also, Brown said there was “tacit approval” of
dogfighting in Vick’s neighborhood as he was growing up, and that the police did
nothing to discourage the activity. (So, apparently, adults should be absolved for doing things that are wrong if they were mistakenly led to believe when growing up that such things weren’t actually wrong.)
Meanwhile, our friend and colleague (sort of) Darren Rovell of CNBC argues that a one-shot exclusive interview with an arguably favorable questioner is a mistake.
In our view, however, it’s a mistake only if Vick’s handlers believe that he’d do a great job taking questions from a variety of reporters in a one-on-one setting and/or collectively at a press conference. If Vick’s handlers realize that he can sell remorse only during limited exposure to a friendly audience, then it’s not a mistake at all.
It’s brilliant.
Our money (there was tacit approval of illegal gambling in my neighborhood) is on the latter. Given Vick’s ill-advised demeanor in that largely-ignored YouTube video with Young Jeezy and his inexplicable blame-shifting from Tuesday while talking to kids at a basketball camp, we simply don’t think that Vick can consistently sell remorse to the press. We also think that if he were to talk about the situation long enough to the media, he’d eventually generate a sound bite that would potentially doom his chance of getting back into the NFL.
Remorse or not, it won’t change the fact he can’t throw and is terribly inaccurate!
All this for Dog fighting???? If Vick was a different color, this would not be an issue..
In my neighborhood no one told me it was wrong to electrocute dogs, I still didn’t do it retard. Someone please hit this f-cking guy with a truck and stop this foolishness.
I certainly don’t think Vick doing 60 Minutes will minimize how much he’ll have to talk to other reporters down the road.
If that was the point trying to be made.
Actually, I’ve changed my mind and don’t agree with my previous post. I agree with M. Florio’s post. 60 Minutes spot probably will reduce the number of questions, (at least regarding some things), that Vick will have to face down the road.
That’s some “get.” The Godfather of Soul, back from the dead, one-on-one with Michael Vick. Ratings bonanza.
the real deal, he’s about as inaccurate as Eli Manning. Check the stats.
The interviewer making excuses for Vick?
Gotta love that.
Guess Vick ain’t ready for Bill O’Reilly.
@ jumpman23,
you are right you idiot, if Vick was a different color this would not be an issue! He would be banned for life!
the only reason he is not facing a longer suspension is because everyone plays the race card and it is disgusting…
racism is disgusting and can’t stop until people like you stop calling the race card on everything!
you don’t believe this is a race issue, but you will call the race card until blacks completely run eveything…
anything you don’t like the outcome of you call the race card! DISGUSTING and IGNORANT!!
there are no white running backs because everyone is racist!! does that make sense?
IDIOT!
What is supposted to show remorse for? The dogfighting or the serial torture & barehanded barbaric killing of defenseless animals?? Getting caught & placing the blame on “others he trusted” is the only thing he is “sorry” about.
Michael Vick is a psychopath – psychopaths aren’t capable of remorse.
Hardest working man in show business
Dogfighting. It is something that I and most people would never do out of moral disgust, but it is of my belief of our civil liberties (the 1st amendment) that people should be allowed to do it as long as it does not directly affect other people physically or fiscally. In my eyes, it is equivalent to somebody sacrificing a goat for a religion (which somebody did, and had a trial in the supreme court over). I think that both are wrong, but I think what other people are none of my business. He was never convicted of dogfighting. He was convicted of organizing an illegal gambling ring, which is my business. He essentially stole money away from the government in tax revenues (although I think that gambling should be completely legalized, it is none of the govt’s business) because they never paid taxes on any profits.
Did the people around him stiff the government on taxes? That is what he should be remorseful over. He did not follow the rules. He made poor judgments. It is over.
Vick is cruel to dogs, but that was never against the law. He was an outstanding runner, and he didn’t kill a person (like Stallworth). He will be low risk, high reward asset for whichever team that signs him. I hope for the best for him (unless he signs with the Vikings, Bears, Lions, Cowboys, or 49′ers).
Let’s hope James Brown doesn’t pull a Larry King and throw softballs all night.
I guess Jim Gray was busy. Of course the coward wouldn’t dare take an interview that wouldn’t grill him.
He still doesn’t have a clue and can’t even admit to his own morbid choices. He wants to blame someone else for taking everything away from him.
Goodell made a mistake and only the 32 owners can correct it by staying away from this piece of shit.
MrJumpman23 says:
August 12, 2009 10:33 PM
“All this for Dog fighting???? If Vick was a different color, this would not be an issue..”
OK,
He’s magenta.
He’s still a social misfit. Even the brightest of people can get thrown for a loop by reporters, interviewers, etc… so what makes anyone think that this dumbass could carry himself in front of someone or group that wants to ask the tough questions without his minions around? He couldn’t figure out that what he was doing was at the least morally unacceptable let alone illegal. It will say something about the team, if there is one, that takes a chance with this dick.
If you say it’s understandable\reason for him to be a loser because of his upbringing then realize that’s all he’ll ever be. He doesn’t seem to be the type to strive to be something or someone better OFF THE FIELD. That’s part of being a professional. Just ask Mr. Florio.
MrJumpman23,
see; Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Tony Dungy
Join their cause and go straight. Be a real man.
Most of the rest of us here are football fans.
“Brown said there was “tacit approval” of dogfighting in Vick’s neighborhood as he was growing up, and that the police did nothing to discourage the activity”
you see mr. florio, this is often an excuse in lower-income areas, such as the area mr. vick grew up in. people often abuse drugs and cant hold down jobs, but understand, its not their fault, okay? i grew up in the suburbs, nobody told me ponzi schemes were illegal but i never participated in one.
Is Mike Vick on probation? If he is did he violate it by going out with the idiot rapper?
I understand cruelty, folks were lynching,maiming,crucifying black people like animals and got away with it, everybody moved on or wanted to move on and forget it . There r people in this country who care more about animlas than people. There r animals living,eating way better than some kids and folks. There r animal shelters that have better accomodations than some people shelters. I abhor cruelty 2 animals , but they r animals not people. Animals r here to serve man not the other way around. Stallworth kills a man and did what ? 6mths, this guy kills dogs and gets ruined without forgiveness. Bottom line ,money, animal lovers got money and they dont too much care about people.
Your Honor, I submit to you Exhibits A and B in the case, The Internet vs. MrJumpMan23…
A: “Humans are the dominant life forms”
B: “you people are just as worthless as the dogs he killed!!!!!!”
Verdict: Guilty on all counts of complete stupidity
I never seen people make such a fuss over dogfighting. WTF does an interview on 60 minutes do for the situation other than give people more to talk about. This whole thing is just starting to get more silly as each day passes. LET IT GO! F PETA and any of you people who continue to feed into this.
Dogfighting. It is something that I and most people would never do out of moral disgust, but it is of my belief of our civil liberties (the 1st amendment) that people should be allowed to do it as long as it does not directly affect other people physically or fiscally. In my eyes, it is equivalent to somebody sacrificing a goat for a religion (which somebody did, and had a trial in the supreme court over). I think that both are wrong, but I think what other people are none of my business. He was never convicted of dogfighting. He was convicted of organizing an illegal gambling ring, which is my business. He essentially stole money away from the government in tax revenues (although I think that gambling should be completely legalized, it is none of the govt’s business) because they never paid taxes on any profits.
Did the people around him stiff the government on taxes? That is what he should be remorseful over. He did not follow the rules. He made poor judgments. It is over.
Vick is cruel to dogs, but that was never against the law. He was an outstanding runner, and he didn’t kill a person (like Stallworth). He will be low risk, high reward asset for whichever team that signs him. I hope for the best for him (unless he signs with the Vikings, Bears, Lions, Cowboys, or 49′ers).
Man you are a sick person. It is against the law to torture animals.
Even if it wasnt, it is still wrong. They suffer and feel pain.
“racism is disgusting and can’t stop until people like you stop calling the race card on everything!”
>>>> The Real Deal
Granted, I think this issue is beyond race, he was killing Man’s Best Friend for god sake. However to pretend the race thing is non existent at all I think is also as you put it disgusting. For me the clearest example came with as this website showed specifically, the Ben Roethlisberger situation on ESPN. Really?
I apologize, its been beat to death, but the Andy Reid’s kid thing. If that was lets say Mike Tomlin’s kid, completely different reaction. I’m not saying you personally react differently, but tell me the mainstream media would react the same.
Racism is not a simple problem, its institutionally based, not individually like we (human nature) like to make it.
Add Mike Florio to the Anti-Vick list.
@Alpheratz
….but the question should be if Bill is ready to deal with anyone that isn’t his own color. Now that fool is racist…no matter how you try to splice it.
I guess people forget rants like this…
“You know, I was up in Harlem a few weeks ago, and I actually had dinner with Al Sharpton, who is a very, very interesting guy, and he comes on The Factor a lot, and I treated him to dinner because he’s made himself available to us, and I felt that I wanted to take him up there. And we went to Sylvia’s, a very famous restaurant in Harlem. I had a great time. And all the people up there are tremendously respectful, they all watch The Factor.
You know, when Sharpton and I walked in, it was, like, big commotion and everything, but everybody was very nice. And I couldn’t get over the fact that there was no difference between Sylvia’s restaurant and any other restaurant in New York City. I mean it was — it was exactly the same, even though it’s run by blacks, primarily black patronship; it was the same. And that’s really what this society is all about, now.
There wasn’t one person in Sylvia’s who was screaming, ‘M-Fer, I want more iced tea.’ You know, I mean, everybody was — it was like going into an Italian restaurant in an all-white suburb in the sense of people were sitting there, and they were ordering and having fun. And there wasn’t any kind of craziness at all.”
Now that shit’s racist. Now M-Fer, I’m going to get some more iced tea.
Like I have said many times in here…………its not like Vick made a mistake one night out drinking and got into an accident or fight.
Don’t use that you are a product of your environment argument with me on this one. He continually torchered and killed animals, gambled and then he lied about it and hide it, because he knew it was wrong.
In an ongoing basis he financed an interstate gambling ring and he has to have heard of Pete Rose before …ya think? Again he tried to hide what he did he because he knew it was wrong and yet he continued to do it and lie about it.
Now what upsets me in all of this is that he is getting kid glove treatment from the commissioner because of his atheltic ability and potential gate draw during a down economy.
This guy is getting preferential treatment and yet people still have the nerve to cry race that’s whats so amusing. If he was white and less of an athlete with less of a gate draw then he wouldn’t be allowed back in the league.
Example:
If someone like Bill Laimbeer, Tony Mandarich, Bill Romonowski or Todd Marinavich did this they would be suspended indefinitely. So this is not racial, but instead a publicity contest. Because Vick has a huge fan base and has such a huge potential gate draw (during this down economy) he is getting better treatment than most athletes would.
I don’t care if your black, white, red, yellow or green even Ray Charles can see this is about potential ticket sales during a bad economy!!
MrJumpman23 says:
August 12, 2009 10:33 PM
All this for Dog fighting???? If Vick was a different color, this would not be an issue..
And there it is. You are suggesting that if he was a different color then he would not get treated as harshly. I am suggesting that if he was a different color he never would have been involved in dog fighting. You might want to take a look at people of your color and try to change their behavior instead of taking the easy way out and crying racial injustice.
thefan0820:
Did you honestly say that being cruel to dogs isnt against the law? Florio take away this guys membership! It is a felony to fight dogs (I could be wrong but it as at least a Level 1 Misdemeanor) Further more you are like most people who support Vick. Not only did he take part in gross animal cruelty but he ran an interstate gambling ring. That is the part that you are ignoring. Thats some hardcore Mafia type stuff.
New rule, Ignorance is not allowed, or the race card, why did someone have to bring that up again?
Just like the people who continually support Vick, Michael Vick will never “get it”. Both Vick and his idiot supports will never “see” what is wrong with his actions.
Goodell fumbled on this one. He claimed he wanted to clean up the NFL yet still let this felon back in the league. Goodell is all bark and no bite, like the dogs Vick killed.
I’ve lost all respect for Goodell.
thefan0820 says
“Vick is cruel to dogs, but that was never against the law. ”
Youu might want to check on that you fekking moron.
“Vick is cruel to dogs, but that was never against the law. ”
Can we please require intelligence tests to people who comment here? I can’t think of one jurisdiction in America who doesn’t have any applicable animal cruelty laws.
I don’t see how a softball interview helps this clown, Florio. He’s not smart enough to appear sympathetic in ANY venue. You’ve heard him speak right? He’s a moron.
Add to that his inability to read a defense or hit a receiver in stride and you’ve got a guy who is unqualified to play QB in the NFL.
Even trying to get back into the NFL shows his incredible sense of self-entitlement. He should have gone straight to the UFL and then see if any NFL teams chased him. But no, he thinks he’s better than the law and better than most other QBs around.
He’s wrong.
thefan0820 says: August 12, 2009 11:02 PM
“Vick is cruel to dogs, but that was never against the law.”
Not against the law…Are you as stupid as Vick?
I’m sure James Brown will coddle him like a new born babe. Why the hell Goodell decided to let this POS back in the League is beyond me ?
you see now he has his new entourage tony dungy william c rhodan jessie jackson al sharpton.he never had a chance to succeed.you see he grew up in a bad neighborhood on the wrong side of the tracks gangs all around him.just didnt have the same chances all of the white kids in the suburbs.no chance for a proper education. the kid never stood a chance to learn right from wrong.how long are we going to use that excuse have been for years you would think uncle jessie could make a difference by now but yet 50 percent of african american males will not recieve a high school diploma and i do believe the prison population is still around 70 percent.by the way who entitled tony dungy the dr. phil of the nfl.he speaks out on the charactor of michael vick speaking to nfl teams on his behalf.he also says jay cutler is inature and needs to grow up and is not a leader and is overrated.guess you need to be a thug to be a leader
We all know the difference between right and wrong since about the age of 3 years old. Anything else is simply an excuse. Either your folks are rich and throw money at you and ignore you or your poor and the world is against you. We blame God, the devil, our parents, grandparents, our siblings, our friends, the federal, state and local governments, nature-whatever. If you don’t think for yourself and are not responsible for your actions you should pay the price and then receive help, if the circumstances warrant that. However I simply can’t see any team dumb enough to waste time on a loser of such astronomical proportions. Black, white, brown, red, yellow, blue, purple, plaid, striped, checkered, tall or short, fat or skinny….whatever, Vick simply happens to be scum, why put up with him?
@ footinmouthballisfun
You admit this issue is beyond race, yet your entire post rants on about race. The point here is that racism is a topic that should be discussed in a completely different forum. Every black person who writes in this forum cannot understand that simple fact. You do know that Ben is accused, but not yet convicted of his alleged crime. He will have his day in court and, if guilty, be just as much a lowlife as Vick or any other criminal. You do know Vick was convicted for his crimes. Andy Reid’s kids did not play in the NFL. Their crimes have nothing to do with the NFL. Making an analogy to Mike Tomlin in the same situation is, at best, speculation. It is clear you prefer to see the racist viewpoint, even when you throw out hypotheticals. I am very disappointed with all the people here who seem to think murdering animals is not a big deal. There are more budding Ted Bundy’s than I realized.
It’s really time for this thing to go away and die!!! The guy committed a crime and went to prison. Case closed.
The people who hate Vick should do what they have always done…continue being the perfect and sinless people that they are.
Personally, if he plays again or not really makes no difference.
Letting this felon back into the NFL will undoubtedly go down as one of Goodell’s worst moves, the only reason it isn’t the worst to date, is because NOTHING will ever be worse than his cover-up/leniency in dealing with the CHEATRIOTS, who were GUILTY of making a mockery of the INTEGRITY of the game…SHAME on you Roger!!!
Hugh says:
August 13, 2009 6:39 AM
Just like the people who continually support Vick, Michael Vick will never “get it”. Both Vick and his idiot supports will never “see” what is wrong with his actions.
Goodell fumbled on this one. He claimed he wanted to clean up the NFL yet still let this felon back in the league. Goodell is all bark and no bite, like the dogs Vick killed.
I’ve lost all respect for Goodell.
Unfortunately I have to agree – Goodell blew it on this one – Vick was convicted for dogfighting and GAMBLING, and we have seen that the latter is what the league can’t afford.
Just imagine a bankrupt Mike Vick, playing in a game and throwing the match in order to allow his entourage to collect a fat Las Vegas wager. That’s why gamblers aren’t allowed back in the NFL (just ask Art Sclichter…)
Vick’s ill-advised demeanor in a 15 second clip hugging his friend Young Jeezy? Oh, so I guess its ok if Lil Wayne writes for ESPN the Magazine and if Snoop is hanging with the Ravens (just last week) taking pics and posing with the coaches and getting shout-outs….that’s ok??
The hypocrisy……its just comical at this point.
of course it wouldnt be an issue if vick was white.
white people generally dont do shit that damned depraved and stupid. and they dont make all the stupid excuses like we keep hearing about poor little ookie.
and vick’s supporters say ANYTHING to try and build their case. you are all damned ignorant.
put john stossel on this interview. james brown will do a puff piece to end all puff pieces.
I’m so sick of people making this a racial issue. It’s not. I guess you can’t criticize a black person in this country anymore with out being called a racist.
Michael Vick is the one dropping the N-word in a youtube video. He’s the one shifting blame. He’s a loser. He’ll sign with a team and fall back in the same traps. He’ll embarrass the team he signs with and he’ll embarrass Tony Dungy.
Let me try the race card here. Tony Dungy isn’t helping Matt Jones and Josh Hamilton because they are white.
Do you see how ridiculous that sounds?
And stop using his neighborhood as an excuse. Mike Tomlin’s from that area. How’s he doing? What about Aaron Brooks? Allen Iverson? Are they convicted felons? No.
Mr. Jumpman23 there is no correlation between the color of your skin and the fact that you are a dumbass, but you probably don’t know what correlation means.
Florio your hate for Vick runs deep I guess you have no forgiveness in your heart either….
Also to others that keep hatin on Vick 71 TD’s and 52 Ints….I mean the accuracy wasnt there in terms of percentage but with the legs the TD’s to INT’s what you saying football fans?????
So many unforgiving people in this country….
The Young Jeezy video I mean is the dude NOT ALLOWED TO GO TO A CONCERT??? He wasnt drunk he wasnt high you mo fo’s think a dude should do nothing….Get off the mans D—! He didnt say anything in the video that made him look bad…..freekin haters….It AMAZES me how so may people have a problem with DIFFERENT TYPES OF PEOPLE its like if the person aint like you then it aint right! Well that person needs to go to another galaxy and start up your world with just people like you cause here on this earth THAT AINT CHANGING….Get used to it or find another planet to live on…..
It’s obvious that Florio doesn’t like Vick. Like I’ve always said the people that hate Vick are the same people that didn’t care for him too much before the whole dog fighting incident.
I’m sure he’s remorseful for someone to loose as much as he did he has no choice but to be remorseful. If no one believes that you should hang yourself because you’re an idiot. Adults are going to have their own opinion on the issue but if your parents didn’t teach you as a child whose going to teach you wrong or right? If your parents are racist your going to continue the ignorance in most cases. As he did with killing the dogs. He was wrong bud damn he does deserve another chance to correct his wrong.
Where are you dog lovers when they kill innocent kids? No where.
Baseballfirst, I’m black and I haven’t mentioned anything about race. Stop generalizing. And you don’t even know if these people bringing up race are black, you’re just assuming they are. And you might want to rephrase “murdering animals” because hunters do it everyday.
And while murdering animals in the way he did is a big deal, it hardly makes him the worst person in the world like a lot of people on this board are making him out to be. And, yes, while his killing of dogs goes along with the proverbial serial killer path, the bottom line is that people have to cross that line in order to become serial killers. You can’t go based on potential alone because everyone has the potential to kill. Why would he be more apt to become a serial killer than a hunter? They kill animals all the time and get joy out of it (they wouldn’t hunt if they didn’t enjoy it). And just because my and others views differ from yours, doesn’t mean that we’re “budding Ted Bundys.” It just means we don’t think like you. While it’s not something I would do, just like I wouldn’t go hunting unless I absolutely had to survive (a “Man vs. Wild” non-fake situation), it’s not that big of a deal. Or do you also have a problem with the Native Americans that used to run Buffalo off of a cliff in order to kill them? Or people being put to death by electrocution? It’s just like those other people calling some commenters racist because they’re treating Mike Vick like he was a Nazi prison guard. It’s stupid.
You’re telling me I should care more about the life of dogs, which are put down everyday in mass numbers because they aren’t needed, than that of a human being, or at least think that the life of a dog is equivalent to that of a human being? Not in my book, especially when dogs serve no other purpose than to serve us, and when they aren’t of any need, we put them down. And no, just because I don’t agree with what you say or don’t really think what Mike Vick did is that bad does not mean I’m defending him. I have my opinion, just like some people don’t think that Marijuana, when compared to alcohol, is that big of a deal. It’s not defending it, it’s just looking at everything and coming to a conclusion that has nothing to do with Mike Vick, but more so with the whole concept.
My opinions of what Vick did hold for any other person that commits his crime. I don’t see it as that big of deal. Crazy, yes, but calling for his death or making him an outcast from society when he’s had no significant problems with people (people knowingly and unknowingly give people herpes all the time, of course doing it on purpose is a bastard move, and I don’t know if the whole pension thing has been finalized, yet, so I can’t pass judgment on that), so it’s not like he can’t function in society. For example, using the racism thing as an example, a racist can function completely normally when he’s within his comfort level (a neighborhood consisting of mostly his own race). Put him in a mixed setting, and he will struggle mightily (or he might just conceal it like a lot of people do). It’s the same situation with Vick. If there’s anything he’s proved, it’s that he can live in society. He went to jail for what he did, and if the murdering of dogs was that severe, there would only be a sliver of a chance that it wouldn’t go to trial (do you think that if he murdered a person it would have been prevented from going to trial by even the most incompetent prosecutor, let alone first year law student?). It’s not like he was going around, at least to my knowledge, kidnapping every dog he came across and starting dog fights everywhere. He bought the dogs and bred them (the whole rapestand thing is complex issue, given that horse breeders also have what equate to rapestands, as do farmers, etc.). He functioned as a regular person, with faults like many others, in society for a long period of time without anyone even knowing that he had a dogfighting ring. The only thing that was proved from his actions is that he can’t be trusted to take care of dogs because once he finds that they are of no use to him, he will discard them rather maliciously; he doesn’t value the life of dogs in certain settings. That being said, I would say that he should never be allow to own dogs, and if I had a dog I wouldn’t want him anywhere near my dog, but that whole logic of “if he’s that sick to do that to a dog, what would he do to a human being” is nonsense.
If you want to persecute him for what you think he might do based on the pattern of behavior of a handful of serial killers (John Lee Malvo and the other guy, forgot his name, were serial killers and they practiced on trees, not animals), that’s betting on only one factor of what made them what they are. It would be like saying that someone in the military is more likely to commit murder when they return home because they may have killed someone before, without any other evidence or knowledge of that person.
In my opinion, murdering animals is not that big of a deal. However, the way he killed the animals is alarming, but at the end of the day, they weren’t human. It’s like the overfishing thing. The only reason why people are concerned with overfishing is because they’re afraid that there will be fewer fish for us to eat in the future. They could care less about the fish. Just like when they complain about the mercury levels in fish.
And I don’t see how Big Ben would be as much as a lowlife as Vick, if he is found liable. Rapists are infinitely more worse than Dog killers. At least I would think they are. Maybe I’m wrong.
Mike Vick has allready been reinstated so all the “I don’t want him on MY team” “he’s a terrible person and should be hit by a truck” talk is meaningless. As far as issues of race go this might not be the place but this is definitly the time. I would encourage anyone who made comments about race to be men about their feelings and discuss issues of race with people that have a diffrent racial background than themselves. Just stating your slanted viewpoint on race (which be you White, Black, Hispanic, or Asian ect. it will be) doesn’t get any of us anywhere.
all these ppl who bring up torture and how horrible and inhumane it is, do you realize your government tortures human beings? your last Vice President was indicted on torture charges or something like that (for the prision he owns in Texas), i dont see anybody making a big fuss about that (and the vicitims were actualy human beings)
what he did was wrong… we all agree on that
what should be his punishment, we disagree on
there are those who belive he should be punished for the rest of his life and there are those who feel he’s paid enough
no one is right no one is wrong this all a matter of opinion which we are all entitled to have, so lets stop the name calling the race card and all the other BS, lets be civilized adults who can agree to disagree
LET IT GO!!!! I have dog, and great one if i may add, and i’ve been able to move on from this, y can’t everyone else
is saying i have a dog similar to saying “i have a gay friend so i cant be homophobic” or “i have a black friend so i cant be racist” in this situation? just curious
All this for Dog fighting???? If Vick was a different color, this would not be an issue..
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To the racist douchebags that believe this:
1. Vick was not imprisoned for racketeering (ie. running an organized interstate dog fighting and illicit gambling ring). He was not put away for simply letting a couple of dogs go at it in his back yard while getting blitzed with his homeys on a Friday afternoon.
2. The disgust and outrage most people feel in regards to this douchebag is not just because he let dogs fight, but is because the soulless prick kidnapped other people’s pets and fed them to his fighting dogs while still alive to make them meaner, and tortured to death the fighting dogs that weren’t mean enough in some of the most hideous ways he could dream up.
How come not one of you Vick apoligist jack-offs rushed to defend John Gotti when he was sent to Leavenworth? After all, Gotti “was introduced to [organized crime] at a very young age, so he didn’t see much wrong with it,” either. Can you idiots not see that doesn’t absolve anyone of jack-shit???
Vick is a sociopathic nutjob who has the same mentality as other famous people like Jeffery Dahmer, Albert Fish and numerous other psychos that got off on torturing animals before they started getting off on torturing people. Psychological problems are deep-seated and not easily treated. As such, it won’t surprise me to see Vick back in the system within 5 years… especially if he doesn’t land a gig to fund the lifestyle he has been used to up until his arrest. From the comments he has made since being released, it is obvious he blames everyone but himself for what he has done, and as such will likely offend again. He simply sees nothing wrong with his actions.
But of course it was “The Man” that singled him out and took away his money, freedom and degenerate lifestyle because White America can’t tolerate black men with wealth, fame and influence, can they?
Well said, Kidekk. As a wise man once told me, assumptions are the lowest form of knowledge.
Quite a few posters on this blog assume that if you are in support of Michael Vick’s reinstatement and/or see that race is still a factor in many of the decisions regarding his treatment by the public, the media, and the league, then 10 times out of 9, you must be a Black poster. If you are comfortable labeling him a dog killer and scum and see no reason for him to regain his employment after paying his debt to society because you are not certain of the sincerity of his remorse, then 10 times out of 9 you are a White poster. I do not see either as being rational or intelligent conclusions. And yet the fact of the matter is that even though the race cards are not wanted in the discussion and are not appreciated for their thought-provoking value, the deck is fully stacked with plenty of them on both sides of the issue. Outstanding!
empty13 says:
August 13, 2009 10:38 AM
of course it wouldnt be an issue if vick was white.
white people generally dont do shit that damned depraved and stupid. and they dont make all the stupid excuses like we keep hearing about poor little ookie.
and vick’s supporters say ANYTHING to try and build their case. you are all damned ignorant.
put john stossel on this interview. james brown will do a puff piece to end all puff pieces.
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Just another racist and idiotic thing posted by empty13. White people don’t do things that depraved and stupid? Are you kidding me? The Halocaust, ignoring of the Halocaust, Small pox blankets, the Crusades, Salem witch trials, lynchings, the KKK, killing black a black person because they looked at a white woman, most serial killers, Timothy MacVeigh, assasinating presidents, the killing of abortion doctors, the dropping of two nuclear bombs in order to demonstrate “power” (the second one was just for s#!ts and giggles), Jim Crow laws, back of the bus, 3/5s of a person, Japanese internment camps, etc. Black people do stupid things, too, but if you want to compare the “depraved and stupid shit” of white people to that of black people, it’s a lost cause. Maybe one of the stupidest things anyone has ever said on this site. He killed dogs. Sure it was crazy the way he did it, but they were dogs. Not human beings. And, what’s even more perplexing, does it make it worse that he killed a domesticated animal? So, if the animal wasn’t domesticated it wouldn’t be as bad? I don’t understand.
Moreover, while he is an idiot if he is trying to pass the buck for the blame like a lot of people, not just black people, what was the whole context of that segment? Was he referring to the devil, like a lot of people when trying to pass the buck for their blame do, or an actual person? Or is everyone going to take that fragment from his speech (which has not been released in its entirety, yet) and make assumptions about what he was referring to?
This whole hatred for Mike Vick thing is bordering on comical now. I hope you guys have this much enthusiasm when it comes to actual murderers, rapists and child molesters.
jswang3 says:
August 13, 2009 11:07 AM
It’s obvious that Florio doesn’t like Vick. Like I’ve always said the people that hate Vick are the same people that didn’t care for him too much before the whole dog fighting incident.
Maybe for some people, but I used to be a Vick fan. I thought he was one of the most fun players to watch. I even overlooked all of the other turd behavior of his and cheered for him.
Not any more. I can’t bring myself to show support for someone who could take joy out of blind cruelty. His actions are disgusting at best, even psychotic and I simply cannot support a guy who took joy from such blatant cruelty, regardless of skin color.
I’m sure he’s remorseful for someone to loose as much as he did he has no choice but to be remorseful.
He didn’t lose anything. He unwillingly threw it away. And I’m convinced he’s only remorseful for getting caught, because based on his recent actions and comments, he’s not showing much remorse.
Adults are going to have their own opinion on the issue but if your parents didn’t teach you as a child whose going to teach you wrong or right? If your parents are racist your going to continue the ignorance in most cases. As he did with killing the dogs. He was wrong bud damn he does deserve another chance to correct his wrong.
There comes a time when everyone is capable of distinguishing right from wrong. In fact, Vick knew he was doing wrong. It was evident by the fact that he lied to both Arthur Blank and Commissioner Gooddell.
He got another chance when he was released from prison. He also has the right to earn a living. The travesty is taking a guy who deliberately committed inhumane atrocities and allowing him back into a life of riches and privilege. Not to mention he was imprisoned for gambling. That alone makes me not want him on my team as I don’t feel I could trust him.
Where are you dog lovers when they kill innocent kids? No where.
Not entirely true. I’m a firm believer that dog owners need to accept full responsibility for the actions of their animals. If your dog gets out and mauls some kid, you deserve to go to jail for manslaughter. If your dog has a history of violence towards humans and it gets out and mauls someone, you deserve to go to jail for murder. Simple as that.
AmhaTek says:
August 13, 2009 11:35 AM
all these ppl who bring up torture and how horrible and inhumane it is, do you realize your government tortures human beings? your last Vice President was indicted on torture charges or something like that (for the prision he owns in Texas), i dont see anybody making a big fuss about that (and the vicitims were actualy human beings)
Not making an excuse, but the difference is the people tortured are terrorists who chose to try and take American lives. The animals Vick tortured didn’t choose to be made to fight. They didn’t choose their lifestyle but were forced into it by a sadistic murderous piece of shit.
what he did was wrong… we all agree on that
No, not everyone thinks what Vick did was wrong. In fact, many have gone on record here saying they don’t see the problem.
what should be his punishment, we disagree on there are those who belive he should be punished for the rest of his life and there are those who feel he’s paid enough
I don’t care if he never serves a day in jail again, but I don’t believe he should have been let back into the NFL. Reinstating him sends the message that truly sick behavior is acceptable by NFL standards. It’s not really the message I would have liked my favorite sport to have sent.
LET IT GO!!!! I have dog, and great one if i may add, and i’ve been able to move on from this, y can’t everyone else
Have you tried taking the time to look at your loyal pet and picture it hanging from a tree by it’s neck? How about imagining it being electrocuting it by it’s genitals? Perhaps you should consider how it would look while your beloved companion was being drown? Or maybe what it would be like to beat it’s head repeatedly slammed against the ground? Maybe even picture your dog, who did nothing more than love you and be loyal to you, being buried alive.
Now you see why many people simply can’t move past it. Forgive, sure. Forget? Not on your life.
Sure it was crazy the way he did it, but they were dogs.
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I stopped reading when I read the idiot statement quoted above. So you think torturing another living thing by putting an electrode on its testicles and shocking it until it drops dead is A-OK as long as it is not a human you are doing it to? No wonder you support Vick. Water does find it’s own level, after all.
Kidekk says:
August 13, 2009 11:54 AM
This whole hatred for Mike Vick thing is bordering on comical now. I hope you guys have this much enthusiasm when it comes to actual murderers, rapists and child molesters.
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I can’t speak for anyone else, but I do. If a guy convicted of rape or murder or child molestation were looking to be reinstated by the NFL, I would absolutely speak out against it. I’d like to think most people would.
And minimizing his action by stating “He killed dogs” is ignorant. The thing you don’t seem to get is, for most people with dogs, their dogs are considered friends and family members. They do nothing but love unconditionally, regardless of how you look, even how you might treat them. They are loyal to the bone and are a great companion.
So for most people, it isn’t “just dogs” we’re talking about. It’s our friends and family.
What I also find funny is how people are adding things to what Vick did. Run a search on “Mike Vick kidnap dogs” and see what you come up with. I’ll give you a clue. It rhymes with hero.
SpartaChris, I wrote that knowing full well that people would say that, but I had already written so much that I kinda got bored. So, I’m sorry if I offended any dog owners/lovers with my posts. I completely understand that, and I, regardless of what I wrote, actually could be considered a dog lover even though I don’t own one.
I was trying to get at the distinction between dogs and other animals. Every animal is defenseless, and while people love their dogs and their dogs love them unconditionally, but I don’t understand why it seems people are equating what he did to the murder of a human being. Even if, as you say and as I have seen for myself, dogs become part of the family, you care about what you care about. It’s the same reason why when I walked by my old house in Canada, I almost broke down. It means a lot to me, to be frank, more than a stranger that I would meet on the street. If I were to hear about my old house being demolished, I would care more about it than reading that someone I didn’t know died of a heart attack. Does that make me evil or crazy? No, I’m just human. Just as the family members of the person who died would not give a damn about my house, but would care more about their family member who died. But, if I were to look at it objectively, I’m not delusional enough to conlcude that my old house has the same value as the person who passed away or even merits a comparison, because houses are demolished all of the time in order to make room for new ones while society just doesn’t regularly discard the lives of human beings when they become burdensome.
Here’s where the dog part comes in. While certain dogs hold a special place in some people’s hearts, dogs are marginalized everyday, and put down because they become too much of a burden on society. For me to sit here and objectively say that the killing of a dog is more severe than the killing of a deer or a bear or any other animal, wouldn’t make sense. I can say that the way he killed the dogs was unfathomable to me, and sick and twisted, but, to me, it’s not that bad as long as it wasn’t a human.
Obviously, the phrasing of “they were just dogs,” oversimplified my argument, and probably weakened it, but whatever. Again, I am sorry if I offended any dog owners or lovers with that reference. But, my opinion is that as long as he’s not doing it to humans, it doesn’t really matter because, sigh, we only care about animals when we want to. Me and you have had the debate about the exploitation of animals before, so I’m not going to get into that again, but I’m sure that you can understand why I could be bewildered of the rage that is being shown considering what was done.
Annuvin, for the last time, just because I’m not calling for his head or don’t agree with what he said does not mean I am supporting Vick. Stop with this whole, “if you’re not with us you’re against us” attitude. It’s idiotic.
For all of you who think Mike Vick is so horrific and doesn’t deserve to the right to play football your really stupid. Check you federal law books on how the Feds prosecute. The fact here Mike Vick bank rolled the operation and when your co-defendants testify against you they can say all kinds of things you did to to shift the blame for a reduced sentence which happened in Mike Vick’s case. Is he a Dumb ass yes, But he did his time so let him play. Also check out this article which no news outlets are talking about.
http://www.examiner.com/x-5608-Little-Rock-Internet-Examiner~y2009m7d9-Largest-dog-fighting-ring-busted-5-states-involved
SpartaChris, see what ur saying if it was my dog, those things would make me very angry, but at some point you have to move on, Vick is not thinking about us (i doubt at all) as much as we are thinking about him, and those who hold on the anger and rage are hurting themselves more then anyone else
I understand those ppl being tortured were “terrorist” (they call americans terroist too, americans kill their families and loved ones too) but under no circumstances is that behavior acceptable in my opinion, and to try and draw distinction b/w what vick did and torturing terroist in my opinion is making an excuse for it and justifying it
i still think ppl need to let it go, but you make good pts
(see how that was civil, we didnt agree on just about anything but it was civil non-the-less)