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Partial tear in Favre's cuff likely to worsen

At Wednesday’s Vikings practice, teammates of football deity Brett Favre — already feeling humbled to be in the great man’s presence — couldn’t help but elbow each other and say, “Holy %$%*, he throws footballs HARD!” 

“The dude’s throwing missiles out there,” Vikings defensive end Jared Allen said.

“It’s hot, it’s hot,” wide receiver Bobby Wade added.  [Editor's note:  We're assuming he was not juggling a freshly-microwaved potato at the time.]

The feedback naturally sparks curiosity as to the life expectancy of a right arm with a partially torn rotator cuff, when said right arm is attached to a 39-going-on-40-year-old body.

“It all depends how partial the partial tear is,” a doctor with experience treating high-level athletes in both football and baseball told PFT.   “If the tear encompasses an area of five to seven millimeters and is well-conditioned in the area around it, it may hold up for a while.  On the other hand, if it’s a two-centimeter tear and there’s retraction around it, it’s much less likely to do well.”

Favre said Tuesday that the tear was discovered by renowned orthopedic surgeon Dr. James Andrews as he repaired Favre’s biceps tendon.  Favre noted that, according to Andrews, the partial tear may have been present longer than the biceps tear.

Favre didn’t say how big the tear is.

Still, torn rotator cuffs don’t heal without surgery.  And they’ll worsen over time because of trauma or overuse.  

“Cleared to play does not mean ‘cleared to play well’,” said the medical source.  “He’s at high risk [for greater tearing] both because of trauma and his style of play in which he will go downfield or throw with a lot of velocity.  He’s going to stress his cuff.”

Is age a factor? 

“Absolutely,” the source said.  “A player under 25 very rarely thinks of rotator cuff tears.  Over 40, it’s the No. 1 cause of shoulder pain.  That’s a big fact against him.”

In other words, “Sage, Tarvaris?  Stay loose.”

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103 Responses to “Partial tear in Favre's cuff likely to worsen”
  1. se18a29 says: Aug 20, 2009 11:42 AM

    Nice try fear monger… Farve will be just fine. I tend to believe the report is false on purpose to throw teams and the media off balance.

  2. Bun McSticky says: Aug 20, 2009 11:42 AM

    C’mon Florio….Dr. Andrews, the world’s most respected specialist in this field said it should be just fine. In fact, he gave Favre encouragement to play. Yet you find some hack to fit your agenda for a little sensationalism? It just gets so old after awhile. Just throw it against the wall and see what sticks, huh?
    Lame and par for the course here.

  3. john baker says: Aug 20, 2009 11:42 AM

    Even if Favre can start every game and play every down I don’t see them better than 8-8.

  4. realityonetwo says: Aug 20, 2009 11:42 AM

    It’s likely to rain somewhere today, too. Or not.

  5. Stella says: Aug 20, 2009 11:43 AM

    Child Please
    Keep reaching

  6. TylerDurden says: Aug 20, 2009 11:44 AM

    Now you guys are just making up stories….sheesh

  7. burchardta says: Aug 20, 2009 11:45 AM

    “He can’t promise that it won’t get worse, but Dr. Andrews basically said it should be OK to get through the season. Basically, he said, ‘Hey, if you want to play, go do it,'” Cook said.
    This isn’t really news, is it?

  8. Citizen Strange says: Aug 20, 2009 11:46 AM

    “It’s hot, it’s hot,” wide receiver Bobby Wade added. [Editor's note: We're assuming he was not juggling a freshly-microwaved potato at the time.]
    Yeah, but was he describing Brian Urlacher’s white hot hatred of that pussy Jay Cutler?

  9. birddog says: Aug 20, 2009 11:48 AM

    A lot of people have torn rotator cuffs and don’t even realize it. He will put stress on it but I am willing to bet Chilly gives him plenty of rest. He really seems to coddle his best players. Which is 180 degrees from his first year of coaching. He definately will be licking Barts balls.

  10. whatthehellisgoingonoutthere says: Aug 20, 2009 11:48 AM

    The real question is will Childress have the guts to bench Favre when he starts his slide. This guy had his best year 2 years ago, but he dedicated himself all offseason working hard with his trainer to get his body into prime shape. This year he had surgery, still has a torn rotator cuff and couldn’t possibly be even close to as good of shape. Throwing to some high school kids is usually not the recipe for a 40 year old QB to show up to camp and be ready to play 16 games.
    Of course Favre is running the show and Childo and Zygi are his servants. That’s already been proven. This train wreck is going to be fun to watch!!

  11. bigjoey46us says: Aug 20, 2009 11:49 AM

    Good hopefully his shoulder completely falls off by week 10.

  12. Journeyman says: Aug 20, 2009 11:49 AM

    Torn rotator cuff? And they gave this guy how money? Minnesota is rolling the dice bigtime with this guy.

  13. empty13 says: Aug 20, 2009 11:49 AM

    he wants to stick it to t2.
    but anymore i think it is about the payday fer sure.

  14. DCViking says: Aug 20, 2009 11:49 AM

    I just can’t see this whole thing working out well for the Vikings this year…
    Not sure if it’s better that he goes down early and quickly, or if he hangs for a while.
    Hopefully, Sage and TJax will heal enough from their present injuries to be ready when the call comes…and it will come.

  15. favreisadouche says: Aug 20, 2009 11:53 AM

    Do you actually beleive Favre has a partial tear? It’s merely a built-in excuse for when his performance declines as it will inevitably do.

  16. doublestuffflorios says: Aug 20, 2009 11:53 AM

    I give Favre till week six.

  17. Marty says: Aug 20, 2009 11:53 AM

    Has Favre ever missed a game in his whole NFL career?
    Has he ever played hurt before?

  18. HawgNSonsTV says: Aug 20, 2009 11:53 AM

    The bottom line…Favre is a Hawg …For Life!!! translation:..the Vikes WILL WIN THE NEXT 2 SUPER BOWLS!

  19. newty25 says: Aug 20, 2009 11:54 AM

    This is a non-issue since Favre said during his press conference that Dr Andrews told him that it’s unlikely to get worse by playing this season, one of the conditions Favre had for coming back… which means it’s not likely to cause him further issue this year.
    You noted Dr Andrews credibility as “renowned” and then decided to seek out your opinion from a doctor that has no medical record on Favre and that can only speculate on a worst case scenario.
    This is not reporting and there are far better stories out there for you to cove, PFT. Shame on you.

  20. bluelion says: Aug 20, 2009 11:54 AM

    Or, how about the headline,
    “Partial tear in Favre’s cuff unlikely to heal itself”
    Duh. Of course it is more likely to get worse without surgery.
    It’s a 1 year gamble. When it comes to playing through pain and injury, I wouldn’t bet against Favre.

  21. broncoman says: Aug 20, 2009 11:54 AM

    Hey Stella…Child Please to you too…now, reach me another great comment. You are one creative genius.

  22. berghead says: Aug 20, 2009 11:55 AM

    While I look forward to Favre having another terrible 20+ interception season I am dreading hearing him use the shoulder as an excuse. The silver lining in all of this is that he actually does tear his rotator cuff and his precious and selfish games started streak is ruined.

  23. Endzone_couch_Killer says: Aug 20, 2009 11:55 AM

    I did hear Kyle Orton is doing all he can to help Farve, It is the only way he will not lead the league in interceptions this year.

  24. Display Name says: Aug 20, 2009 11:57 AM

    “It all depends how partial the partial tear is, a doctor with experience treating high-level athletes in both football and baseball told PFT. ”
    This isn’t ‘PFT’ any longer, it’s NBC Sports amateur Blog section.

  25. Hauschild says: Aug 20, 2009 11:58 AM

    Another fishing expedition fueled by greed.
    What this non-informative and misleading piece fails to mention is that Favre announced that the tear is old and that there is ample callousing around the cuff, which actually prevents additional tearing.
    Nothing more than Robin Hood journalism at work here. BTW, was there ever a more telling example of socialism at its core than Robin Hood???

  26. Living_Legend says: Aug 20, 2009 12:00 PM

    First off, I tore my rotator and had the operation. He must have a hairline tear or he wouldn’t be able to lift his arm, IMO this is an out plan incase he falls flat on his face. Whoever says its going to heal itself while he’s throwing balls is a moron or a flat out liar. This story is obvious and shouldn’t have been written. What did you need to have a Farve story so you float this crap out.

  27. Display Name says: Aug 20, 2009 12:01 PM

    bluelion says:
    August 20, 2009 11:54 AM
    It’s a 1 year gamble. When it comes to playing through pain and injury, I wouldn’t bet against Favre.
    ——————————————————
    How’d that work out for the Jets last year?

  28. DildoBaggins says: Aug 20, 2009 12:02 PM

    I’ll go with the opinion of the guy who is reknowned as the best in the biz in Doc Andrews over whatever quack Florio decided to get an opinion from since NBC asked (told) him to pump out more stories, no matter how trivial, trite and/or meaningless they seem.

  29. gooboy6 says: Aug 20, 2009 12:04 PM

    chilly needs to keep the ben gay handy for those private meetings between coach and qb, knee pads and lip gloss too

  30. Bwa Ha Ha says: Aug 20, 2009 12:04 PM

    Any word on when and where the announced retirement will be held?

  31. Rex Grossman says: Aug 20, 2009 12:05 PM

    Brett Favre (Uncle Rico) and Bobby Wade (Kip), ladies and gentlemen.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd4jRk1Pncg

  32. Wiscdave says: Aug 20, 2009 12:05 PM

    What newty25 said. Go stir the Burress pot for a while.

  33. CutlerISaPussy says: Aug 20, 2009 12:05 PM

    What a stupid story. Come one Tom, you can do better. An unnamed medical source knows more about Farve’s arm the the renowned surgeon that operated on it…

  34. topcide says: Aug 20, 2009 12:05 PM

    the real question is, will shannahan, gruden, or an unknown be coaching the vikings next season?

  35. Big Stretch says: Aug 20, 2009 12:05 PM

    First Favre say that he has no pain soon as the surgery was done, so why not sign and get into camp? After all wasnt he using pain as an excuse for deciding to stay retired until the day after training camp ended.
    Then he throws out the fact that he has a rotator cuff tear, setting up his excuse for later in the year when he wears down and starts throwing the Vikings planoff plans into the hands of awaiting DB’s.
    In the world of sports NFL Football is without question the most team oriented, and the Vikings were dumb enough to go out and sign a guy who doesn’t even use the same locker room as the rest of the team.
    Brett Favre said in his new conference that his legacy was his and that true packer fans should still root for him even though we all know his sole purpose is ” revenge ” against the team that got him out of ATL paid him millions over 16 years, supported him when he went to rehab, allowed him to play the “retired/unretired” game for 2 offseason, before finally telling him they were moving on.
    Here’s to your legacy as a selfish primadonna who only tru claim to being a great QB is that you lasted longer than all the rest. I guess if the determining factor in who is the all time greatest QB in history rests only on one’s ability to play more games than anyone else, then congratulations you are the best.
    Here is a list of QB’s with a better rating than Lord Favre the Douche:
    1 Steve Young* 96.81
    2 Peyton Manning 94.75
    3 Kurt Warner 93.79
    4 Tom Brady 92.91
    5 Joe Montana* 92.26
    6 Chad Pennington 90.59
    7 Ben Roethlisberger 89.43
    8 Drew Brees 89.39
    9 Daunte Culpepper 88.96
    10 Carson Palmer 88.86
    11 Jeff Garcia 87.54
    12 Dan Marino* 86.38
    13 Trent Green 86.03
    14 Donovan McNabb 85.86
    15 Marc Bulger 85.57
    Just so all you guys reading this know I’m not a Packers or Vikings fan I just can’t stand this guy anymore

  36. The Dox says: Aug 20, 2009 12:08 PM

    hmm interesting take, newty25. Andrews never said anything remotely close to his shoulder was unlikely to worsen.
    (as was already quoted a couple comments above)
    “He can’t promise that it won’t get worse, but Dr. Andrews basically said it should be OK to get through the season. Basically, he said, ‘Hey, if you want to play, go do it,'” Cook said.
    that’s a 50/50 answer, i.e., even the best in the field doesn’t know. apparently you do, though. congratulations.
    but yeah, another pathetic (lack of a) story. agreed on that part.

  37. VoxVeritas says: Aug 20, 2009 12:09 PM

    “Has Favre ever missed a game in his whole NFL career? Has he ever played hurt before?”
    No and yes, many times to the detriment of his team, who didn’t have the backbone to sit him down, signaling to BertFarve that he’s bigger than said team.

  38. Vince says: Aug 20, 2009 12:11 PM

    This is the dumbest article I have read in a very long time.. worthless, waste of my time..

  39. RossyRoss says: Aug 20, 2009 12:12 PM

    The Queens can have him. He’s proven he’s a clown. Come on his daughter told him to play & that was the deciding factor. This guys a big time wack job. Probably the single most selfish guy that is know to man. $25 mill for 2 years BAAHAA. what a joke. He’s washed up.

  40. mixman34 says: Aug 20, 2009 12:12 PM

    @ john baker.
    Jeez guess the vikes better hang it up then cause you said so. Why even post if you’re not going to back up your statements of jibberish, dolt.

  41. VoxVeritas says: Aug 20, 2009 12:13 PM

    “Here is a list of QB’s with a better rating than Lord Favre the Douche:”
    You forget Tony Romo. His 94.73 rating would put him at #3.

  42. jimicos says: Aug 20, 2009 12:17 PM

    Andrews’ quote is coming through Bus Cook. Isn’t this the same guy who couldn’t tell us on Monday whether or not Favre was lacing up his sneakers?
    Until you hear something from Andrews himself, this is nothing more than the Favre/Cook media machine churning the waters.

  43. Ambrose says: Aug 20, 2009 12:19 PM

    This now is getting ridiculous. He “might” make it worse? He might get hit by a bus crossing the street too, but we won’t know until he steps off the curb. Give the guy a break. Settle it on the field. Let’s play the damn games and silence the Purple Kool-Aid drinkers once and for all. NO EXCUSES. If he represents the best chance the Vikings have of accomplishing anything this year, then let’s see it. Speculating over the internet isn’t going to get it done. BUT NO EXCUSES when he folds like a cheap ice-fishing shack. You wanted him….you got him (…still laughing at ya’.)

  44. Dewey Axewound says: Aug 20, 2009 12:20 PM

    I say sometime in November Favre literally sh1ts out his shoulder on the sideline.
    His rotator cuff will go *KERPLUNK* right out of his butt and into Childo’s waiting hands.
    Then it’s a toss-up between the disgruntled herb or the disgruntled turd–either way the season ends with predictable biqueen disaster.

  45. JaredAllen69 says: Aug 20, 2009 12:21 PM

    john baker says:
    August 20, 2009 11:42 AM
    Even if Favre can start every game and play every down I don’t see them better than 8-8.
    *****************************************
    would you like to bet on that?

  46. jimicos says: Aug 20, 2009 12:21 PM

    VoxVeritas says:
    August 20, 2009 12:13 PM
    “Here is a list of QB’s with a better rating than Lord Favre the Douche:”
    You forget Tony Romo. His 94.73 rating would put him at #3.
    —————————-
    There’s several omissions from his list. Romo, Rivers, Cutler, Otto Graham, etc. Here’s a more complete list. And yes, Romo’s at #3.
    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

  47. Display Name says: Aug 20, 2009 12:21 PM

    @ VoxVeritas
    He said QB’s not pantywaists.

  48. Mick730 says: Aug 20, 2009 12:21 PM

    “Nothing more than Robin Hood journalism at work here. BTW, was there ever a more telling example of socialism at its core than Robin Hood???”
    No, not really. Robin Hood, so the story goes, stole from the government, to give back the tax money that the government stole from the people.
    But what does this have to do with Lord Favre and his built in excuse for choking yet again?

  49. zygi milf says: Aug 20, 2009 12:22 PM

    Display Name says:
    August 20, 2009 12:01 PM
    bluelion says:
    August 20, 2009 11:54 AM
    It’s a 1 year gamble. When it comes to playing through pain and injury, I wouldn’t bet against Favre.
    ——————————————————
    How’d that work out for the Jets last year?
    ************
    The Jets of 2008 – inferior to the Vikings at every position.
    With Sage/Tarvaris – 2009 Vikings 10-6
    With Favre – 11-5

  50. Big Stretch says: Aug 20, 2009 12:24 PM

    sorry VOX to make this list the QB must throw at least 1500 passes. next year when Favre retires/unretires Romo will be included

  51. Opie says: Aug 20, 2009 12:25 PM

    A reliable source within the law community mentioned that he thought he heard that Florio was still practicing law. Since we have been informed in writing that he wasn’t, Florio may be practicing law without a license…….or not.
    “This isn’t ‘PFT’ any longer, it’s NBC Sports amateur Blog section.” THAT was funny, DisplayName!

  52. litemater says: Aug 20, 2009 12:26 PM

    A tear in my jeans gets worse over time too.

  53. ZombieRevolution says: Aug 20, 2009 12:27 PM

    At first I was willing to give Florio credit, actual research for a posting, then I saw it was not Florio, what a big surprise. It was Tom Curran, who carries who own hate for Favre (yet again will write about him frequently) also. Nice variation of the “Lord Favre” with “football deity Brett Favre”.
    Big Stretch- the use of “douche” is usually dropped when people leave high school. And the your use of QB rating- priceless. By that reckoning Culpepper is above Marino. Way to torpedo your own argement. I guess I will send back your ticket to the HOF ceremony when Favre is a first ballot guy- right?

  54. DCViking says: Aug 20, 2009 12:31 PM

    @topcide –
    I actually vote for Brian Billick — he’d be entertaining, and he’d continue the trend of coaches who can’t develop a quarterback…

  55. True Fan says: Aug 20, 2009 12:33 PM

    Gee… I wish Brett and his doctors had thought about this… They are going to be shocked to hear an unnamed doctor who has not examined Favre thinks he may be at risk… Scary stuff.
    Report something worth reading PFT. Seems like lately you’re going for “Quantity” not “Quality”

  56. svn says: Aug 20, 2009 12:38 PM

    does anyone still believe he has a torn rotator cuff or anything he says ? maybe he made it up to build up an excuse to miss training camp

  57. gopher says: Aug 20, 2009 12:44 PM

    As I have said before, since you are a lawyer.
    “99% of lawyers like you make all other lawyers look bad.

  58. burchardta says: Aug 20, 2009 12:45 PM

    Here’s a list of QB’s with more MVP’s.
    Here’s a list of QB’s with more Passing Yards.
    Here’s a list of QB’s with more Touchdowns.
    To be fair, Peyton, Unitas, and Jim Brown all have 3 MVP’s as well… but that’s not a bad club to be in.

  59. WhySoSerious says: Aug 20, 2009 12:46 PM

    The Minnesota Vikings Cash 4 Clunkers program = Lord Favre
    I had to laugh at a video clip showing all the idiots running wild to pick up their new Favre jersey at the MOA. All they need now is for Lord Favre to become a politician; Vikings might get that new stadium yet.

  60. Vince Drooley says: Aug 20, 2009 12:47 PM

    Nothing 200mg of Deca-Durabolin each week won’t fix. Juice him.

  61. Darth Ringo says: Aug 20, 2009 12:50 PM

    Maybe tanking with the Vikings is Favre’s devious plan to win back the love of the Green Bay faithful.
    Or he wants to sit out the season and just start the Super Bowl, and the injury is a ruse.

  62. jan van flac says: Aug 20, 2009 12:51 PM

    if the Jets had sat him down the last 5 games they would have made the playoffs last year.
    I wouldn’t put my money on him making it through the season.

  63. purple haze harvin says: Aug 20, 2009 12:52 PM

    and some people say cucumbers taste better pickled!…

  64. danlinker says: Aug 20, 2009 12:55 PM

    Another attempt by Florio to scare everyone. Total BS

  65. watchmorebaseball says: Aug 20, 2009 12:55 PM

    The consecutive games streak will end and there will be a lot of purple and gold tears.

  66. Packerbowl says: Aug 20, 2009 12:58 PM

    You guys need to check out the Vikings Website!!! Hiilarious. I’m just waiting for the dedicated webcam that will follow Favre throughout the day, making a sandwich, taking a piss, rubbing more cow manure on the brim of his cap to make the appearance of an unassuming farmboy more believable.
    Somebody needs to tell the Vikings it’s not 1997 anymore!

  67. sand0 says: Aug 20, 2009 1:01 PM

    This article is clearly troll bait.
    The rotator cuff is worthy of discussion because there is a partial tear in it. However. the article does not even acknowledge that the world renowned Dr. Andrews gave his professional opinion that the tear was unlikely to worsen. His credibility is pointed out yet his actual opinion on whether or not the tear could worsen was omitted and replaced by a generic response by some random Dr. that never physically examined the tear.
    Truth is that many old and young adults live with tears in their rotator cuff that never amount to anything at all. Favre’s could simply be that. If you had to open up the arms of random pitchers and QB’s out there you’d find a lot of partial tears.
    It could be something but the fact that Andrew’s professional opinion is that it will not worsen is the most important factor.
    Also I see many comments pointing at Favre’s low QB rating last season. First off, the QB rating was due to poor play after his serious biceps tear. Second off, his QB rating in the prior season with Green Bay was higher than Rodgers amounted in his absence last season. Third, Tarvaris Jackson had a 95 QB rating with the Vikings last season, and he sucks. QB rating is a team statistic dependent on a combination of running game (and the coverages it dictates), receiver quality, and QB skill.
    Favre is a very skilled QB and is an obvious upgrade over the Vikings QB situation, which was already good enough to win the division witha respectable 10-6 record last season.
    Factor in the fact that Favre isn’t necessarily injury prone to begin with (what with the consecutive starts record online) and then pile on top of that the clear fact that Rosenfels is better than 50% of backups out there and you are left with the obvious truth that the Vikings have a very solid QB situation. Plus their D line is good to say the least, RB tandem is best in the biz, WR’s are average, CB’s are above average, safeties are slighty weak but not terrible, and O line is very respectable.
    In the end the Vikings organization has assembled as good of a team as exists in the NFL really minus perhaps the Pats and Steelers, and that is good company. The only reason we have an article like this is because the Vikings are hogging all the headlines these days, what with their crazy good looking team. Color me impressed and as a long time Vikings fan, very excited.

  68. SixBurghDude says: Aug 20, 2009 1:05 PM

    “Has Favre ever missed a game in his whole NFL career? Has he ever played hurt before?”
    VoxVeritas says:
    No and yes, many times to the detriment of his team, who didn’t have the backbone to sit him down, signaling to BertFarve that he’s bigger than said team.
    ——————————————————————————-
    The correct answer is yes, not no, the consecutive start streak is NOT since his 1st start, he missed 2 starts in 1992, after becoming the starter…the longest current streak of consecutive starts to begin an NFL QB’s career is Peyton Manning.

  69. bigjoey46us says: Aug 20, 2009 1:06 PM

    zygi milf says:
    The Jets of 2008 – inferior to the Vikings at every position.
    With Sage/Tarvaris – 2009 Vikings 10-6
    With Favre – 11-5
    —————————–
    So the Vikings seriously went out and spent 12 million on some douchebag for one win? Thats a great investment.

  70. Big Stretch says: Aug 20, 2009 1:15 PM

    Here’s a list of guys who think football is not a team sport:
    Brett Favre.
    as for the QB ratings list I got it from
    http://www.profootballhof.com/history/story.aspx?story_id=3131
    as for him having most yards/tds I said before that his records are the result of his longevity. he has thrown 922 more passes than marino which equals about 2 season yet only has 3766 more yards roughly 1 season. as for the TDs Marino and Favre averaged 1 td every 20 attempts. Favre threw 1 int every 30 attempts to Marino’s 1 every 34.
    Lord Favre should be commended for playing the most games, but that does not make him the best ever.

  71. The Dox says: Aug 20, 2009 1:16 PM

    “burchardta says: August 20, 2009 12:45 PM
    Here’s a list of QB’s with more MVP’s.
    Here’s a list of QB’s with more Passing Yards.
    Here’s a list of QB’s with more Touchdowns.
    To be fair, Peyton, Unitas, and Jim Brown all have 3 MVP’s as well… but that’s not a bad club to be in.”
    —————————————————-
    Conveniently omitted “Here’s a list of QBs with more Interceptions”.

  72. GRpatriot says: Aug 20, 2009 1:21 PM

    Frankly, if you don’t believe that Favre’s shoulder is an issue, your sticking your head in the sand!
    He’s 40, do you think it’s likey he’ll make it through the year? I don’t! Even w/o the tear, he’s still old, man……

  73. Hauschild says: Aug 20, 2009 1:24 PM

    “No, not really. Robin Hood, so the story goes, stole from the government, to give back the tax money that the government stole from the people.
    But what does this have to do with Lord Favre and his built in excuse for choking yet again?”
    So, you can steal, but only if you’re poor??? Nice ethics, dude.
    As far as Favre, I think he’s earned the right for a “built-in excuse”, don’t you? Let’s not forget here that Minnesota lusted after Favre – it wasn’t the other way around.
    It also blows me away that after having listened to Favre speak for 20 years now, many people can’t figure him out, or come to irrational conclusions on his behavior. What he is, is honest – and that’s what really drives a significantly high number of people mad, as unfortunate as it is.
    Favre is saying, “Hey, they REALLY want me and are paying me a king’s ransom to play. However, as much as I love the game and all that goes along with it, I feel it would behoove every party involved to be cognizant of exactly every nuance of my situation because it’s a LOT of money and I’m 40 freakin’ years old. It would be unethical of me not to disclose every injury that is signficant to my trade”
    It’s the honesty that the dishonest among us don’t appreciate. Stop the hate. Kick back and watch Favre make the NFL another 50 million this season.

  74. DCViking says: Aug 20, 2009 1:24 PM

    # jimicos says: August 20, 2009 12:21 PM
    VoxVeritas says:
    August 20, 2009 12:13 PM
    “Here is a list of QB’s with a better rating than Lord Favre the Douche:”
    You forget Tony Romo. His 94.73 rating would put him at #3.
    —————————-
    There’s several omissions from his list. Romo, Rivers, Cutler, Otto Graham, etc. Here’s a more complete list. And yes, Romo’s at #3.
    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm
    ————————————
    Damn, we didn’t sign Otto Graham…what we thinking…

  75. jpk6044 says: Aug 20, 2009 1:48 PM

    Does this matter? The season hasn’t started yet and Farve has already thrown 12 INTs…..

  76. PackSucks says: Aug 20, 2009 1:49 PM

    The mere fact that Chad Pennington is #6 (or #7 if you include the sissie Romo at #3) on the list of QB’s with better passer ratings tells an awful lot. Ask ANY fan for their top 10 QB’s, or hell, their top 20, and I’m pretty sure you’re not gonna get a Chad Pennington in there. Or how about that 1500 attempts is all that’s required and Favre has 8000+. You can make the numbers look like whatever you want – for instance, in 2007, which was the last full season that he wasn’t injured, he had a 95.7……hmmmm, not bad for 38 and washed up. Say what you want about him being a prima donna but he’s a tough dude on the field. Being able to play that many games and take as many hits as he has says an awful lot! I hope he starts in 300 straight games!

  77. GLW says: Aug 20, 2009 2:24 PM

    Look, those who like Favre have supported him over the years; those who don’t like him have been waiting for 18 years for him to break down, wear out, etc.
    His record speaks for itself. No one has tossed for more yards, completions or interceptions. He has a ring. If any NFL coach would choose Chad Pennington (for example) over Bret Favre, he would need his head examined.
    Has his retirement-unretirement story become boring? Sure, but only an athlete knows how difficult it is to finally give it up. Some do graciously, some don’t (like Marino, Montana and a few others).
    Remember, he passed for about 3,500 yards last year with a team not as good as the Vikings are right now. Sure, he make break down, but so did Tom Brady last year, and no one says a word about that. Favre has started–STARTED–over 230 regular season games. That’s 14 years or so of continuous starts. Who else has done that? The same number of QBs who’ve passed for more yards, completions and TDs.
    So, if you want to wait for him to fail, go ahead. Are you willing to hold your breath until that happens?

  78. JakeScott says: Aug 20, 2009 2:37 PM

    Just one question for all of you professional prognosticators:
    If you were a Defensive Coordinator calling schemes against the Vikings offense and trying to shut down the running game would you be more likely to play 8 or 9 in the box against (1) Tarvaris/Sage, or (2) Brett Favre?

  79. Viney212 says: Aug 20, 2009 2:44 PM

    49. zygi milf says: August 20, 2009 12:22 PM
    Display Name says:
    August 20, 2009 12:01 PM
    bluelion says:
    August 20, 2009 11:54 AM
    It’s a 1 year gamble. When it comes to playing through pain and injury, I wouldn’t bet against Favre.
    ——————————————————
    How’d that work out for the Jets last year?
    ************
    The Jets of 2008 – inferior to the Vikings at every position.
    With Sage/Tarvaris – 2009 Vikings 10-6
    With Favre – 11-5
    *****************
    Are you seriously trying to claim that Sydney Rice, Bobby Wade, and Percy Harvin are better than Jerricho Cotchery, Laveraneus Coles, and Chansi Stuckey were?
    Pffffffff… LOL!

  80. AtTheMurph says: Aug 20, 2009 2:47 PM

    “The Jets of 2008 – inferior to the Vikings at every position.
    With Sage/Tarvaris – 2009 Vikings 10-6
    With Favre – 11-5″
    ————————————————
    Really?
    The Jets had better QBs
    The Jets had a better OL
    The Jets had better WRs
    The Jets had better LBs
    The Jets had better Ss
    The Jets had better CBs
    At every turn at least viking fans are consistent. During the summer they always beleive they have the most talented team in the league and every winter they know they will add another year to their O forever championship streak. (Currently stands at 48 years and counting. We can probably add the 49th by Novermber 2nd).

  81. Viney212 says: Aug 20, 2009 2:55 PM

    # GRpatriot says: August 20, 2009 1:21 PM
    Frankly, if you don’t believe that Favre’s shoulder is an issue, your sticking your head in the sand!
    He’s 40, do you think it’s likey he’ll make it through the year? I don’t! Even w/o the tear, he’s still old, man……
    *********
    Additionally, he’s playing the majority of his games on turf, which he’s been notoriously bad on anyways. Never could adjust to the speed of that secondary in recent years. His age has already deteriorated his ability to withstand the cold. That’s been easily apparent the last few years. How’s he going to hold up on turf? When he’s also nowhere near as mobile as he used to be. They’re going to be flying all over him in the dome. Ravens in MN, week 6, I’ll be impressed if he makes it through that one with both shoulders intact.

  82. PackSucks says: Aug 20, 2009 3:01 PM

    By the way, according the Packers own web site “……On the field, the Packers enjoyed a resurgence………, posting the league’s best overall record, 152-88, from 1993-2007…”
    So, if the bottom line is winning games, nobody did it better at the QB position for a long damn time. Nobody else even comes close for anywhere near that duration….and there wasn’t another “superstar” player on those Packer teams during much of that time.
    Another way to put it in perspective is his 169 wins. Only 9 other guys since 1949 even have 100!!!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_wins_by_a_starting_quarterback_(NFL)
    Bottom line, the guy was a winner – and tougher than any of us armchair QB’s.
    Win or lose, I’ll keep celebrating his desire to play until he can’t do it no more (which could be this year or not)

  83. mnmaverick says: Aug 20, 2009 3:05 PM

    Worst case scenarios are not a concern right now. ; )

  84. Pantherfan10 says: Aug 20, 2009 3:09 PM

    I’m guessing Dr. James Andrews (Favres DR) whom said he would be ok to play knows a little more than you’re shotty Dr

  85. pato says: Aug 20, 2009 3:14 PM

    The man is clearly a “pig” he is in the game for himself no matter what he feeds the media–he is not a deity –he is a greedy pig that wont go away and the media cannot get enough of it –he preferes football$ more than his family and one day he will be found out. It is a terrible that he has given nothing back to football–his teamates down the road will find this thief out -stay tuned.

  86. jimicos says: Aug 20, 2009 3:14 PM

    DCViking says:
    August 20, 2009 1:24 PM
    Damn, we didn’t sign Otto Graham…what we thinking…
    ————————–
    I was pointing out the inaccuracy of a list provided by someone else, not suggesting other old-timers not (yet) employed by the Vikings.

  87. jimicos says: Aug 20, 2009 3:24 PM

    GLW says:
    August 20, 2009 2:24 PM
    If any NFL coach would choose Chad Pennington (for example) over Bret Favre, he would need his head examined.
    —————————
    Wrong. How many years does Pennington have left? How many does Favre have left? The Vikings realize their window will close soon enough, so it’s a no-brainer for them. And Childress feels the heat under his butt. He knows it’s a title or bust.
    But most other teams right now would probably chose Pennington over Favre.

  88. nato2424 says: Aug 20, 2009 3:28 PM

    is mike shanahan was the coach AP would run for 2000 yards this year.

  89. empty13 says: Aug 20, 2009 3:29 PM

    favre has actually improved as a dome qb the last several years, since that horrendous playoff game in st loo.
    i think it has to do with a decrease in mobility. young mobile QBs tend to do better outside. and while in domes it can be really loud under center and in the pocket… it is even louder when ya run to the sideline.
    i think the condition of his arm and his general lack of conditioning, age, and rapport with teammates will have a greater effect on his play than playing in the dome will.
    betting october will be brutal, and nov 1 to boot.

  90. jimicos says: Aug 20, 2009 3:35 PM

    PackSucks says:
    August 20, 2009 3:01 PM
    By the way, according the Packers own web site “……On the field, the Packers enjoyed a resurgence………, posting the league’s best overall record, 152-88, from 1993-2007…”
    So, if the bottom line is winning games, nobody did it better at the QB position for a long damn time. Nobody else even comes close for anywhere near that duration….and there wasn’t another “superstar” player on those Packer teams during much of that time.
    Another way to put it in perspective is his 169 wins. Only 9 other guys since 1949 even have 100!!!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_wins_by_a_starting_quarterback_(NFL)
    Bottom line, the guy was a winner – and tougher than any of us armchair QB’s.
    Win or lose, I’ll keep celebrating his desire to play until he can’t do it no more (which could be this year or not)
    —————————
    169 wins? I thought Vikings fans didn’t want to talk about history? That’s what they always say when anyone brings up 1996…
    And as far as Favre’s winning record is concerned, he’s 4 games over .500 in the last 4 seasons. Congratulations! $12 million will get you a 9-7 or 8-8 season if that trend continues.

  91. whatthehellisgoingonoutthere says: Aug 20, 2009 3:38 PM

    # Bun McSticky says: August 20, 2009 11:42 AM
    C’mon Florio….Dr. Andrews, the world’s most respected specialist in this field said it should be just fine. In fact, he gave Favre encouragement to play. Yet you find some hack to fit your agenda for a little sensationalism? It just gets so old after awhile. Just throw it against the wall and see what sticks, huh?
    Lame and par for the course here.
    ——————————
    Favre was never encouraged to play by Andrews. You’re obviously just a Viking rube trying to make up the facts to fit your desires. The facts are he had a surgery and they found a torn rotator cuff. Andrews said he didn’t know if it was an old injury or a new one. End of story. All this talk about callouses, etc is just fallacy that Vikings fans want to believe to convince themselves this isn’t a train wreck in the making.

  92. empty13 says: Aug 20, 2009 5:55 PM

    if i was the packers, i would like a repeat of his 2008 season.
    and make the packer defense do a do-over.

  93. jimicos says: Aug 20, 2009 6:25 PM

    Rag, you’re such an idiot. Maybe when the Vikings are done, Childress is fired and the Vikings are in rebuilding mode you’ll get it. I won’t be holding my breath, though.
    And seriously, take a spelling class. It’s pathetic.

  94. gameday says: Aug 20, 2009 7:58 PM

    Jimicos:
    Maybe you should take a punctuation class.

  95. Zatko says: Aug 20, 2009 8:45 PM

    Two things… I’m not writing more because noone is going to read this far down anyway…
    Has anyone suggested that owners, coaches and players all knew this was coming… remember Jay Glazer’s “gut feeling” the day BEFORE the signing?
    Second, Jomochae or whatever your name is… when you say that the Vikings have a “window”… isn’t that what is said about the Patriots and Steelers, and Giants and every other contender every year? If you’re a good enough coach… you’re constantly building for the future while putting a contender on the field this season.

  96. jimicos says: Aug 21, 2009 9:31 AM

    Zatko says:
    August 20, 2009 8:45 PM
    Two things… I’m not writing more because noone is going to read this far down anyway…
    Has anyone suggested that owners, coaches and players all knew this was coming… remember Jay Glazer’s “gut feeling” the day BEFORE the signing?
    Second, Jomochae or whatever your name is… when you say that the Vikings have a “window”… isn’t that what is said about the Patriots and Steelers, and Giants and every other contender every year? If you’re a good enough coach… you’re constantly building for the future while putting a contender on the field this season.
    —————————–
    Are you implying Childress is a good coach? Careful…

  97. jimicos says: Aug 21, 2009 9:32 AM

    gameday says:
    August 20, 2009 7:58 PM
    Jimicos:
    Maybe you should take a punctuation class.
    —————————–
    I’ll be the first to admit I’m comma-challenged.

  98. True Fan says: Aug 21, 2009 10:54 AM

    Is everyone forgetting the Vikings have a top 5 Defense and the best running back in the game? this isn’t tennis where it is one guy vs one guy. Its a team sport and Favre just joined a very very good club that can make a deep playoff run with or without him.

  99. RagnartheViking says: Aug 21, 2009 11:59 AM

    Not only that Jimicos you flaming moron,
    You are football IQ challenged.
    The only thing you found to argue with me on my post was my typing skills?
    Well played sir.
    You are a horrible at this posting thing, hang it up.
    Don’t you ever get tired of making an ass out of yourself?
    I’m sure these actions carry over into real life too.

  100. jimicos says: Aug 21, 2009 12:45 PM

    RagnartheViking says:
    August 21, 2009 11:59 AM
    Not only that Jimicos you flaming moron,
    You are football IQ challenged.
    The only thing you found to argue with me on my post was my typing skills?
    Well played sir.
    You are a horrible at this posting thing, hang it up.
    Don’t you ever get tired of making an ass out of yourself?
    I’m sure these actions carry over into real life too.
    —————————-
    Further proof of my last post lobbed in your general direction. You keep making my case for me, buddy.

  101. sand0 says: Aug 21, 2009 8:27 PM

    Hilarious reading these comments seeing all the Vikings haters squirm trying to come up with “points” about why the Vikes won’t work out this year.
    The bottom line is that the Vikings have the same team essentially this season as last season with the exception of Percy Harvin and Brett Favre (and EJ Henderson because he was hurt all last year).
    The Vikings won the division last year by one game and one tie breaker. They did so despite benching their starter week 3, then having the 8-3 backup go down due to injury, then starting T Jack again. Despite this, they won the div. Now they have improved the quality of QB significantly while actually reducing the chance of injury at that position (40 year Favre still less likely to get hurt than Gus or TJack).
    And somehow, quite hilariously actually, people come on these boards reaching and clawing for complex reasons why the Vikes will suck. Most fo the reasons amount to “well, if one or more of their best players gets hurt then they won’t do good”. Bravo. So if Rodgers, who has had multiple significant injuries in his short career, were to get hurt that wouldn’t really matter? Urlacher? Tom Brady?
    Truth is injury is the great unknown in sports. Everyone makes these random posts about what ifs. Favre is turning 40, yes, but that doens’t mean he is going to get hurt. His injury last season cannot happen again because the tendon is removed. Other than that one injury, Favre was healthy all 16 starts last season basically.
    Plus the Vikings have great D and running game, so Favre won’t have to attempt that many passes and get sacked often.
    I don’t know. I just don’t see how the Vikings aren’t the clear favorite. Hell, the Packers could stay healthy all season and probably still finish less than 500. Vikings even with Favre going down to injury week 1 probably still take the div. With Favre, I’m thinking 14-2 isn’t totally out of the question.

  102. vikes backer says: Aug 23, 2009 7:12 PM

    vikings will go 12 and 4, win the division, and go on to win the super bowl! The vikes are now a complete team with farve, and sage backing him up if need be.

  103. Bigskyvikes says: Aug 25, 2009 11:02 PM

    jimicos says:
    August 20, 2009 3:24 PM
    GLW says:
    August 20, 2009 2:24 PM
    If any NFL coach would choose Chad Pennington (for example) over Bret Favre, he would need his head examined.
    —————————
    Wrong. How many years does Pennington have left? How many does Favre have left? The Vikings realize their window will close soon enough, so it’s a no-brainer for them. And Childress feels the heat under his butt. He knows it’s a title or bust.
    But most other teams right now would probably chose Pennington over Favre
    No your wrong, Pennington sucks. If you ever want to acually know the performance of any player in the NFL, play fantasy football. We have ten teams and Pennington was not even drafted than picked up and never played last year.
    So theres another stupid stat like you guys throw up here. Yes Pennington will last longer, but do you want 8 years of nothing, or one year of possiblities???? HHHUUUUMMMMM??

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