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Plaxico pleads guilty

Wow.

As it turns out, there is one circumstance during which a defendant pleads guilty at his arraignment.

It happens when a plea bargain already has been worked out.

Per Arthur Staple of Newsday (via Twitter), receiver Plaxico Burress pleaded guilty this morning to felony weapons charges, and he’ll serve a two-year prison term.

News of the deal came at 9:30 a.m. ET (just as the hearing was scheduled to begin) from John Eligon of the New York Times.

The most surprising aspect of the deal, in our view, is that Manhattan D.A. Robert Morgenthau left on the table the two-year deal that Burress previously had spurned, even after Burress essentially confessed to the crime in a Hail Mary effort before the grand jury.

Some prosecutors would have yanked the deal, adding another six or eight months, or maybe a year, to any future offers.

Then again, maybe that’s what Morgenthau did — and maybe that’s what got Burress to make the first prudent decision he has made in years. 

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93 Responses to “Plaxico pleads guilty”
  1. straverse says: Aug 20, 2009 10:16 AM

    Hope he enjoyed his NFL career. Should be saying the same thing about Michael Vick. Maybe Tony Dungy can get him back on the right track.

  2. gopher says: Aug 20, 2009 10:17 AM

    I wonder if this is Favre fault also. Maybe it was his gun and he just loaned it to Burress.

  3. VoxVeritas says: Aug 20, 2009 10:20 AM

    Told you, a “guilty” plea is not the same as a conviction when it comes to celebs!

  4. Tyler_Durden says: Aug 20, 2009 10:21 AM

    I think it’s ridiculous that Donte Stallworth can kill a man and he gets like a year under house arrest. Vick can brutally murder a hundred dogs and land a year in jail. And Plaxico accidentally shoots himself and gets two years in prison. In my opinion, that is the least severe crime out of the three… by a long shot.
    It just seems excessive by comparison.

  5. jkorn1818 says: Aug 20, 2009 10:22 AM

    so he tripped and shot himself because the dope was wearing sweatpants in a club and he got 2 yrs? and a guy who transported animals across state lines just to kill them in a hanus way if they lost a fight got less time?? cool
    at least we know the eagles will bring him on board when hes 35 and mcnabb is 36….sweet duo

  6. topcide says: Aug 20, 2009 10:23 AM

    don’t drop the soap.

  7. meezle says: Aug 20, 2009 10:23 AM

    Will eli manning visit him in prison?
    He has 97.5 million reasons he should
    Plax is a dumbass

  8. Gautam says: Aug 20, 2009 10:23 AM

    isn’t McNabb’s contract only for two more years ? He wouldn’t be pleased on reading this.

  9. Kevin from Philly says: Aug 20, 2009 10:24 AM

    As Patrick Stewart used to say, “Riker(‘s Island), make it so!”.

  10. rodstiffington says: Aug 20, 2009 10:26 AM

    Huh, I wonder how much Plax is worth now… in terms of Newports?

  11. Ocean says: Aug 20, 2009 10:26 AM

    Michael Vicks case has convinced Plaxico that he’ll have a career when he comes out.
    Question: Will he receive credit for good behavior and all that…and get out before the 24 months end?

  12. screaming sheep says: Aug 20, 2009 10:27 AM

    Good for the NYC D.A.’s office.

  13. Ocean says: Aug 20, 2009 10:28 AM

    Peter King says “Career Over”.
    http://twitter.com/Si_PeterKing

  14. Kidekk says: Aug 20, 2009 10:29 AM

    Weren’t you reporting that he turned down a two month deal earlier? Obviously, there was no truth to that.
    So he pretty much ducked the second charge, criminal intent, and is serving less than the min for the first charge, possession. Take this as a lesson kids, if you’re going to bring a gun into a bar/club, don’t shoot yourself or you’ll be running 4 feet button hooks in your cell. At least, in New York.
    That and don’t be an idiot.

  15. isonic1 says: Aug 20, 2009 10:30 AM

    As the Sports Junkies would say – Plaxico just made the top of the Donkitie-donka-donka donkeyyyyyyy list.

  16. gameday says: Aug 20, 2009 10:30 AM

    Now Goodell, wait until Plastico serves his full 2 year sentence and THEN suspend him for a full season.
    Plastico, you will never play in the NFL again.
    Was the gun worth it?

  17. ZombieRevolution says: Aug 20, 2009 10:31 AM

    It happen when a plea bargain already has been worked out.
    I guess spellcheck does not catch everything…

  18. broncoman says: Aug 20, 2009 10:31 AM

    And after the 2 years, Dungy will partner up with him and he’ll sign with the Eagles…I hear they sign guys for “charity”. Haven’t we seen this episode before?

  19. JerseyJints says: Aug 20, 2009 10:32 AM

    Not too upset about this because he’s no longer on the Giants but what a world where Stallworth spends a summer vacation in jail for killing Reyes and Burress spends 2 years of his life in jail for shooting himself in the leg. Was he careless? Yes. Did he break the law? Yes. Should he go to jail? Technically/probably. For 1.75 years more than someone who killed another human being? don’t think so.

  20. DanSnyderSux says: Aug 20, 2009 10:32 AM

    What a waste!

  21. gameday says: Aug 20, 2009 10:32 AM

    Fresh meat heading to Rikers!
    Plexico will make a fine b!atch for some inmate.

  22. CoughlinUpALoogie says: Aug 20, 2009 10:34 AM

    It was only a matter of time.

  23. LSCII says: Aug 20, 2009 10:34 AM

    Wow. Stallworth gets 28 days for killing another person while driving drunk and high but Plax gets 2 years for hurting himself? That shows you how messed up the legal system is.

  24. Big ben Rapistburger says: Aug 20, 2009 10:34 AM

    I guess that suspension from Goodell isnt needed after all, he will never play again. 2 years in jail, damn.
    I guess the price to have a thug image is: your career
    You wont be missed you dooooooooosh!

  25. mad555 says: Aug 20, 2009 10:35 AM

    Karma, sweet, sweet, Karma

  26. fay says: Aug 20, 2009 10:36 AM

    He should get another 6 months for wearing sweat pants to a nightclub

  27. madM100 says: Aug 20, 2009 10:36 AM

    Guilty of being a moron

  28. DcNinerFan says: Aug 20, 2009 10:36 AM

    Anyone else happen to notice that Florio overuses “Wow.” on the order of 10 times a day now? The most mundane of stories seems to get it. Open up a thesaurus one of these days.
    Good for him, take it like a man. Of course, he had no real reason to fight the charges, they seemed to have way too much evidence.

  29. Big Stretch says: Aug 20, 2009 10:36 AM

    gambling ring/animal cruelty – 19 months
    dui manslaughter – 24 days
    shot yourself in the leg – 24 months
    Gotta love the legal system, its about as fair as Goodell

  30. dunkingonuts says: Aug 20, 2009 10:38 AM

    Serves him right! The next time he should just drive drunk and run some people over..He only have to serve a couple of weeks that way…!

  31. bednarik60 says: Aug 20, 2009 10:39 AM

    This sucks for Plax, but it’s good that he didn’t get any ridiculous special treatment. It’ll be interesting to see what he can do after prison.

  32. Chris Fiorentino says: Aug 20, 2009 10:40 AM

    Vick is playing. Plaxico is going to jail. Favre is playing. What the HELL is Florio going to whine about now???

  33. Stone Ln says: Aug 20, 2009 10:40 AM

    Wow! Extremely harsh sentence.

  34. The Dox says: Aug 20, 2009 10:40 AM

    hmmm so what happened to the mandatory 3 1/2 year sentence if he pleaded guilty?
    Anyways, i think its safe to say that as far as football fans are concerned Plaxico Burress will just be a 34 year old ex-con next time you hear his name, not a pro athlete

  35. dunkingonuts says: Aug 20, 2009 10:41 AM

    Two years..who’s the victim? I think I would have taken my chances with a jury..

  36. LBX says: Aug 20, 2009 10:43 AM

    Wow. Justice is dead in America

  37. Moosechem says: Aug 20, 2009 10:43 AM

    Dear Plax,
    You are now a G-Man again as in GUILTY man!!

  38. BringItHomeForJerome says: Aug 20, 2009 10:44 AM

    Giants fans any hope you had of winning just went to jail. Oh yea Giants fans suck!!! Dallas fans swallow!!!

  39. rcunningham says: Aug 20, 2009 10:44 AM

    “It happen when a plea bargain already has been worked out.”
    Take a deep breath Florio.

  40. Plankshelmet says: Aug 20, 2009 10:44 AM

    Why wouldn’t he just go to trial. Thats a shit deal. The average mutt on the street wouldn’t have gotten two years. His celebrity status cost him.

  41. sonvar says: Aug 20, 2009 10:44 AM

    What confuses me more is how Vick only serves a two year sentence for his crimes and Plaxico will serve the same for what is basically stupidity on his part. Oh well at least he won’t be getting out of it because he helped the Giants win a SB.

  42. jimicos says: Aug 20, 2009 10:45 AM

    As one of my past managers used to say, Plaxico “was between a rock and a hard stone.”
    It’s a shame that a guy needs to go to jail for 2 years when he was the only one injured, but this will underscore the message that they’re serious about weapons offenses. I’m glad Plax didn’t get off light.

  43. barking mad says: Aug 20, 2009 10:47 AM

    sign him eagles!

  44. mustbechris says: Aug 20, 2009 10:47 AM

    Wow.
    See you in two years here in Philly, Plax.

  45. jkorn1818 says: Aug 20, 2009 10:47 AM

    Although I must say, Plax must have thought this was L.A. and he was going to get off. His lawyer repeatedly told him to take a deal where he’d do a few months, even in the offseason a la ahmad bradshaw and then throw in some community service and he was too stubborn and refused, although 2 years does seem harsh, he did refuse doing a few months, i just see some injustice due to vicks sentence and his crime and even worse was stallworth, killing a guy in broad daylight, over the legal alcohol limit. Shooting yourself in the leg gets you 2 yrs (obv less once he goes in) and stalloworths homicide got him a boat load of community service. Like what? teaching a football camp?

  46. PirateFreedom says: Aug 20, 2009 10:50 AM

    So how long does he actually have to serve?

  47. dawk20db says: Aug 20, 2009 10:51 AM

    Mean Machine loses a QB, but gains a WR.

  48. Whodey08 says: Aug 20, 2009 10:51 AM

    Question if you can find out Mike. In NY can he earn early release for good behavior or does 2 years mean 2 years?

  49. Endzone_couch_Killer says: Aug 20, 2009 10:52 AM

    Are you frickin kidding me? Ok so lets see, take a gun out with you, shoot yourself in the leg or get tanked up, and run someone down in a vehicle and kill them. Which gets less time? I would have thought shooting yourself in the leg is half the sentence.
    Well, I know what kind of party I will be attending!!!!

  50. mrf47 says: Aug 20, 2009 10:52 AM

    Tony Dungy told him to do it.

  51. Samuel L. Bronkowitz says: Aug 20, 2009 10:53 AM

    I am stunned that he’s doing jail time.
    Somewhere Dante Stallworth’s lawyer is patting himself on the back…

  52. RexRyan'sStressedLapband says: Aug 20, 2009 10:56 AM

    Well Plaxico, it was a decent career. You got a ring, and that’s cool. See ya in the funny papers.
    To quote the greatest movie of all time, “Watch out for yer cornhole buddy.”

  53. Wallace says: Aug 20, 2009 10:57 AM

    Too bad Plax wasn’t clubbing in Phoenix…where you can apparently carry an assault weapon within a quarter mile of the president with no repercussions.

  54. Rex Grossman says: Aug 20, 2009 10:59 AM

    “Wow” is right. Jeez.
    Now wait for the next 50 comments to be comparing this to the Vick sentence and how it isn’t fair.

  55. Aktow says: Aug 20, 2009 11:01 AM

    (2) years is nuts. Sure, it was a stupid thing to do, but (2) years? Anyone who thinks our legal system is “the greatest in the world” is crazy.

  56. LCCJ says: Aug 20, 2009 11:02 AM

    Dumbass, he should have taken the previous plea deal back in may that would have gotten him 30 days in jail and he would have been out by now and probably serving a suspension but his career wouldn’t be over, now ahhh not soo much.

  57. jkorn1818 says: Aug 20, 2009 11:03 AM

    BringItHomeForJerome says:
    August 20, 2009 10:44 AM
    Giants fans any hope you had of winning just went to jail. Oh yea Giants fans suck!!! Dallas fans swallow!!!
    ___________________________________
    what are you talking about??? He was cut by the giants months ago..Way to know your facts…and way to rip off a cheesy bumper sticker for your comment..herb

  58. ebr362 says: Aug 20, 2009 11:06 AM

    When will these thugs, ooops I mean players realize that their behavior is no longer accepted?
    If you need a gun for protection, what does that tell you about your lifestyle? With all the money they earn, add a bodyguard to your posse if you insist there is a threat, otherwise you are just trying to be something that costs you your career if caught. Enjoy your 6×9 grey bar hotel room Plax.

  59. moswesley says: Aug 20, 2009 11:11 AM

    I’m not a legal expert, but two years is MORE than fair. NYC is a very crowded place, and has very strict gun laws in accordance with the number of people that live there.
    Most people use public transportation, and are forced to walk in large crowds of people. It certainly helps the living situation knowing that people have every incentive not to walk around with LOADED GUNS.
    Remember, the gun was loaded and ready to shoot, completely unnecessary.

  60. Silver&Black666 says: Aug 20, 2009 11:11 AM

    Our legal system is the most ugly, perverted and maniacal entity that exists today. At some point we are going to have to fix it.

  61. BringItHomeForJerome says: Aug 20, 2009 11:12 AM

    jkorn1818 If he was not going to do any time the Giants would have been at his door on there knees with a mouth full. Your mom swallows after I pull it out of her gapeing ass hole. Does that one work for you??? Stop comenting about my dick, fag.

  62. jkorn1818 says: Aug 20, 2009 11:15 AM

    BringItHomeForJerome says:
    August 20, 2009 10:44 AM
    Giants fans any hope you had of winning just went to jail. Oh yea Giants fans suck!!! Dallas fans swallow!!!
    ___________________________________
    as a matter of fact jerry, the eagles were interested in Plax after we cut him….Its too bad you couldnt put a picture of calvin and hobbs with calvin peeing on a giants logo…bumper sticker boy.

  63. ohandsixteenforever says: Aug 20, 2009 11:15 AM

    I think at this point he knew he was going to get at least two years and he plead guilty so he could do his time and resume his career when he was done. (not saying I think he’ll be able to just saying I think he thinks he’ll be able to.) If he plead not guilty and there was a lengthy trial then it would mean that he would be another year older or maybe more by the time he got out and be too old to play again.

  64. JerseyJints says: Aug 20, 2009 11:15 AM

    @ BringItHomeForJerome- You’re an idiot. Giants cut him awhile ago. If anything this means the Giants won’t have to play against him this season while he goes through more legal proceedings. I doubt their players, coach, owners etc. wanted that harsh of a sentence for a guy that helped them win the super bowl, but fact of the matter is that this sentence doesn’t hurt the Giants in the slightest after they let him go. It reassures them they won’t have to face a lethal red zone target. Get your facts straight and maybe some originality when trying to “serve up” the NFC East.

  65. VoxVeritas says: Aug 20, 2009 11:19 AM

    “Giants fans any hope you had of winning just went to jail. Oh yea Giants fans suck!!! Dallas fans swallow!!! ”
    Jerome really wasn’t that good of a player, certainly not befitting of the draft slot that the Eagirls wasted on him. Jimmy Johnson sure snookered the Eagirls on that deal, didn’t he? I remember JB was a close friends of Michael Irvin’s and both liked to hang out with Luke Skywalker of 2Live Crew.
    Say, remember when JB led a walkout at a Fiesta Bowl players’ dinner, asking the infamous question “Did the Japanese have dinner with Pearl Harbor before they bombed them?” only to be smacked down by the Nittany Lions’ punter, who replied “didn’t the Japanese lose that war?”
    Don’t “Bring it home for Jerome”… if anything, bring it home for Gus, the guy that Jerome Brown killed in 1992. Figures he’d be a member of the Eagirls “Honor Roll”.

  66. VoxVeritas says: Aug 20, 2009 11:21 AM

    “Too bad Plax wasn’t clubbing in Phoenix…where you can apparently carry an assault weapon within a quarter mile of the president with no repercussions.”
    Why should that be a problem so long as you follow safety procedures and don’t break the law?

  67. VoxVeritas says: Aug 20, 2009 11:22 AM

    “Are you frickin kidding me? Ok so lets see, take a gun out with you, shoot yourself in the leg or get tanked up, and run someone down in a vehicle and kill them. Which gets less time?”
    The “accident”. Not that I necessarily agree, but that’s the supposition.

  68. meezle says: Aug 20, 2009 11:23 AM

    Someone stole my sweatpants comment from weeks ago!
    Florio, what was the original plea deal, I’ve heard months and years which is right?

  69. dgrimes says: Aug 20, 2009 11:24 AM

    You guys don’t get it,
    Okay I agree, Stallworth got off easy. Real easy. But the way I see it, if the family is satisfied then let it be at that.
    Sure Plax only shot himself… but think of what COULD have happened. What if that gun goes off and he shoots someone in the head? I feel 2 years is about right.

  70. jamaltimore says: Aug 20, 2009 11:25 AM

    If nothing else all this news of high profile athletes and courts makes you notice how screwed up the system is. I mean gun laws are made to be tough but who’s the victim in Plexiglass’s case? I guess karma is what really put him in jail for two years. His 757 brother mike get’s two years for killing dogs. That’s bad but compared to killing someone while your drunk, smacking your girl around, etc there is no comparison in my mind. Yet two pro athletes were convicted of killing someone and they didn’t do as much time as either plexiglass or vick. Anyway you cut it that’s screwed up.
    The best is when you have your boys take out two scumbags for you in a bar fight. Everybody walks and then you get to go be superbowl MVP the following year. Civic improvement and Superbowl championship Nobody DOES IT BETTER THAN SUGAR RAY#52! GO RAVENS!

  71. jkorn1818 says: Aug 20, 2009 11:30 AM

    moswesley says:
    August 20, 2009 11:11 AM
    I’m not a legal expert, but two years is MORE than fair. NYC is a very crowded place, and has very strict gun laws in accordance with the number of people that live there.
    Most people use public transportation, and are forced to walk in large crowds of people. It certainly helps the living situation knowing that people have every incentive not to walk around with LOADED GUNS.
    ___________________________________
    Yeah, because one less person on the street would make a HUGE difference, not to mention he has enough money to drive his benz around, where us city folk arent as priveleged. he doesnt have to walk, he pulls it right into a garage..
    And jerome, your responses are just pitiful, swallows? my mom?? who are you? and your grammar is so absurd and atrocious that im actually embarrassed for you. just stop. Youre making the intelligent eagle fans look bad.

  72. jkorn1818 says: Aug 20, 2009 11:35 AM

    BringItHomeForJerome says:
    August 20, 2009 11:12 AM
    jkorn1818 If he was not going to do any time the Giants would have been at his door on there knees with a mouth full. Your mom swallows after I pull it out of her gapeing ass hole. Does that one work for you???
    ___________________________________
    i was able to weed through the horrible grammar and spelling to see what you actually wrote. Why would they be on their knees? he was already property of the giants, they didnt have to do any begging. and no the other line didnt work for me, are you saying my mom’s mouth is attached to her A-hole? because that really wouldnt make any sense, because what you are describing doesnt even sound possible, if you are insinuating she talks out of her ass, i would agree, my pops has been saying that for years…..

  73. bluelion says: Aug 20, 2009 11:38 AM

    So, the punishment for choosing to carry a handgun illegally across state lines and shooting oneself in the leg accidently equals the malicious intent and multiple acts of killing most men’s best friend.
    Sometimes the ‘time’ does not fit the ‘crime’…
    A bit harsh on Plax, imho.

  74. Aktow says: Aug 20, 2009 11:58 AM

    “What if that gun goes off and he shoots someone in the head?”
    But that’s NOT what happened. As a matter of fact, you’re pointing out one of the fundamental problems with our legal system. We need to stop punishing people for what “could’ve” happened and only punish them for what actually DID happen.

  75. ohandsixteenforever says: Aug 20, 2009 12:02 PM

    just because the family is happy that they got paid in stalworth’s case doesn’t mean that it’s ok. The reason for a punishment is to deter people from doing it again or to deter other people from doing it. so the family is ok with stalworth getting off easy. well what about my family? what about your family? what happens when the next pro athlete is drinking and driving because he feels untouchable and ends up killing somebody you know? I think that not only did the legal system fail for stalworth and the victimes family but it failed all of us in this case because it raises the chances that somebody will do it again therefore putting more people in danger.

  76. VoxVeritas says: Aug 20, 2009 12:05 PM

    “So, the punishment for choosing to carry a handgun illegally across state lines and shooting oneself in the leg accidently equals the malicious intent and multiple acts of killing most men’s best friend.”
    Vick did time for racketeering, not killing dogs. He’ll never be square with society until he answers to torturing and killing those dogs though.

  77. VonClausewitz says: Aug 20, 2009 12:12 PM

    I guess the writing was on the wall when after he met with the grand jury and tried to pull a jury annulment. Really, can you blame him for taking the plea? The minimum time was 3.5 years but it would have probably been longer. 2 years starts to look really good when you’re faced with a general public that’s so beaten down they take out their punitive fantasies on others – I won’t even talk about the DA. It’s been said here several times before that if this wasn’t high profile he’d have walked with a slap on the wrist or less. This isn’t justice. It’s a man realizing that justice is dead in America.

  78. VoxVeritas says: Aug 20, 2009 12:16 PM

    “We need to stop punishing people for what “could’ve” happened and only punish them for what actually DID happen.”
    I agree. What DID happen was that Burress carried a loaded, illegal handgun into a bar and discharged it. Where’s the charge of discharging a firearm within the city limits? He got off easy.

  79. zygi milf says: Aug 20, 2009 12:32 PM

    Tyler_Dumdum says:
    August 20, 2009 10:21 AM
    I think it’s ridiculous that Donte Stallworth can kill a man and he gets like a year under house arrest. Vick can brutally murder a hundred dogs and land a year in jail. And Plaxico accidentally shoots himself and gets two years in prison. In my opinion, that is the least severe crime out of the three… by a long shot.
    It just seems excessive by comparison.
    *****************
    1 – Stallworth would have likely gotten a longer sentence had he hit Reyes while he was crossing at the intersection with a green light and a walk sign. However, Reyes was jaywalking.
    2 – Vick spent 18 months in jail – not one minute of that was for killing dogs.

  80. eaglealan64 says: Aug 20, 2009 12:35 PM

    >>>We need to stop punishing people for what “could’ve” happened and only punish them for what actually DID happen.

  81. Darth Ringo says: Aug 20, 2009 12:45 PM

    “Our legal system is the most ugly, perverted and maniacal entity that exists today.”
    —————-
    Please. Read ‘The Gulag Archipelago’ someday for a glimpse how other countries handle incarceration! American defendants & prisoners have it pretty good.
    I think Plax got the shaft but remember that things like Saddam’s rape rooms and Castro’s life-in-prison sentences for political dissent are, historically, the norm.
    Also, isn’t Plax’s wife an attorney?

  82. texasPHINSfan says: Aug 20, 2009 1:06 PM

    i guess i don’t understand why, if the law states “automatic 3.5 years”, he doesn’t get 3.5 years.
    i guess the law isn’t “automatic” then is it? The mayor of NYC should make a stink about this, or he should just shut up when making comments about his legislations.

  83. Kidekk says: Aug 20, 2009 1:08 PM

    Why are people complaining that he got less than than min? When people plead guilty, they usually get a sentence less than the minimum or even get the charge reduced to a lesser offense. It’s not the first or last time it will happen.

  84. DcNinerFan says: Aug 20, 2009 1:37 PM

    I’m with you Darth. I’ve lived in other countries, I’ve seen how they handle crimes there. The US really is in the top 10 most humane incarceration systems. Anyone who thinks otherwise would do well to try a prison term in 90% of the countries in the world. When they haven’t bathed in a month and only eaten once a day (if that) then they might have a perspective.
    As to the sentance being too harsh… Think of it like this. Stalworth was an idiot. Plain and simple. The accident also wasn’t 100% his fault. If anything its 50/50. Yes he was high and drunk, but the unfortunate pedestrian was also at fault (and intoxicated too? I can’t remember, but that is besides the point). So, doing something moronic intentionally is worse than doing something moronic and having an accident that wasn’t entirely your fault.
    Burress should have known about firearms restrictions, any responsible firearm owner would.
    Stallworth didn’t know that this poor guy was going to step out in front of him, its not something you plan on. So, its the difference between intent. I’m sure Burress didn’t intend to shoot himself, but he sure as hell intended to carry a concealed firearm illegally. QED
    As for Vick, he SHOULD have gotten a much longer sentence. He was party to organized crime (yes, illegal dog fighting, gambling and racketeering ARE organized crime, especially the way he did it).

  85. Steeler4life says: Aug 20, 2009 1:44 PM

    Vox,
    He doesn’t need to square with society or you dog-kissing, share-a-plate, dog-cloning idiots . He has $6.8 million reasons that show he is already squared. So hold your breath and wait for MV to square with you. YOU SQUARE.
    Go Steelers!

  86. ohandsixteenforever says: Aug 20, 2009 1:48 PM

    If you punish people just for what happens and not what could happen then that would mean that if somebody tries to kill you but the gun misfires or maybe even you overtake him and stop him then he wouldn’t be committing a crime because even though he could’ve killed you he didn’t. The truth of the matter is we do have a corrupt and unfair legal system but the voters are the ones who make the laws. Everybody every election year complains about how all politicians are corrupt and liars but then they only vote for the people they see the most on tv. Most people are too lazy to go out and do research on a worthy candidate that may not have enough money for campaign funds instead just opting to choose from the candidates they can see without getting off of their couch. We as Americans and as voters still have the power to at least change the people who make the system unfair but unfortunately not enough people want the change bad enough. They’re more than comfortable just complaining about it.

  87. empty13 says: Aug 20, 2009 2:03 PM

    stretch, actually goodell is a lot closer to right proportionally with his suspensions than the legal system is being with these miscreants.
    vick is trash and so are his supporters. blacks make excuses for anything other blacks do. including dogkilling and crimes on humans.
    but hey, only non-blacks hate?
    vick’s supporters harbor all the hate.

  88. Steeler4life says: Aug 20, 2009 2:15 PM

    @ohand32forever,
    Great post.

  89. VonClausewitz says: Aug 20, 2009 2:27 PM

    Re: the comments about the US having a good incarceration system. Please. This is perhaps one of the most idiotic belief I’ve ever heard.
    The US has 8 times (8!!!!!) the incarceration rate of EVERY other western developed country. 8.
    If that didn’t get thru to you I’ll say it again.
    8
    Ok, there are 30 to 40 other countries that have less crime, whose crime rates have decreased at the same rate if not faster than the US, who have far, far less people in prison, and who don’t have the ignominy of a “prison industry”.
    So get your facts straight and wise up.

  90. Steeler4life says: Aug 20, 2009 2:33 PM

    @empty
    You really don’t want to look at history and talk about excuses being made for crimes on humans. I believe that blacks supporting other blacks is a direct response to inhumane treatment of blacks in the court system and historically in the USA. How many times have blacks in the past been lynch for so-called rapings of white women? Do you think black people really gave a damn about OJ Simpson? Hell No. It was years of frustration being released because now you know what blacks have been experiencing for centuries. Should I remind you of the Tuskegee Experiment?
    I don’t believe blacks are supporting Vick for what he did. Only the idiots. Many of us believe he is at least showing remorse (we can only judge a man by his actions) and he served his time. We forgive people. The USA claims to be a Christian nation, then live it. Christianity’s main tenet is forgiveness.

  91. meezle says: Aug 20, 2009 3:13 PM

    damn good post steeler4life

  92. Smush Rodrigez says: Aug 20, 2009 3:24 PM

    He should pull a Vick’s jersey and just say no to Dicks… Wait I may have that wrong.

  93. Jackal138 says: Aug 20, 2009 3:58 PM

    Steeler4Life
    Empty is a racist. You can’t change his mind, so don’t bother arguing with him.
    Most of the anti-Vick people are Giants, Cowboys and Redskins fans that want to feel “morally superior” to their rivals. They really don’t care, persay, so much as it’s a chance to go further with their language against teams and fans they already don’t like, because popular opinion is behind them. People (including the Eagles fans) do it to the Cowboys all the time.
    Look at the first Vick-Eagles thread. It’s 30 percent anti Vick, 70 percent anti-Philadelphia.
    Empty doesn’t care about all that, though, because he’s a bonafide, dyed in the wool racist.

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