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Jags expecting ten blackouts in 2009

Though we somehow missed the official declaration of box-office surrender, Vito Stellino of the Florida Times-Union points out that the Jaguars have announced that all 10 games played at Jacksonville Municipal Stadium in 2009 will — not might, will — be blacked out locally.

Stellino also says that the venue might be only half filled on Saturday night, for the preseason home opener against the Buccaneers.

“We certainly appreciate those that can make it, because when they’re
here, they’re loud and very supportive,” coach Jack Del Rio said.  “I know it’s
hard times.  We’re going to entertain the ones that get here and put on
a good show.”

The bigger question is whether and to what extent this dynamic will play out in other cities.  The Chargers have acknowledged concerns regarding blackouts on their official web site; we’ve heard that the league fears there could be more than a dozen teams facing challenges in this regard.

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  1. Bender says: Aug 21, 2009 8:09 AM

    This whole “we know its hard times” line is total bull. They want blackouts. If they didn’t they would price seats so that a family of four could reasonably enjoy a day at the game for the same as a night at the movies.
    Right now they are getting ZERO dollars for every empty seat, when they could be getting 15 or 20.
    They want blackouts, they want a reason to move the team.

  2. Bill In DC says: Aug 21, 2009 8:12 AM

    Ouch.

  3. Big Vinny says: Aug 21, 2009 8:20 AM

    It was a good run. Thanks for the 15 years Jaguars. At least Jacksonville got a nice new stadium for those two college games a year….

  4. chieffandm says: Aug 21, 2009 8:21 AM

    Maybe these organizations should get the hint that they are pricing themselves out of the market. When it cost $300 plus for a family of 4 to go to a game and with all the parity in the league, who wants to spend that kind of money to watch a mediocre matchup.

  5. joe.attaboy says: Aug 21, 2009 8:24 AM

    I read this story this morning and was a bit shocked. Not that the Jaguars will have blackouts (that’s been a topic in town for many months now), but that someone (the team? Vito?) would declare that the season is blacked out.
    The blackout rule is pretty specific: X number of non-premium seats must be sold by 4:00 PM of the Thursday preceding the game to lift a blackout. We’re one pre-season away game in, and the team has already chosen to not locally broadcast the two pre-season home games due to costs. No problem.
    But to declare the entire season dark at this stage seems odd to me. If the team plays like the Dolphins of last year and gets off to a good start (say 2-2 in their first four difficult games), I would think the interest in seeing them live would increase, along with single game ticket sales.
    Since I wasn’t born yesterday, I view this as a message to the fan base more than anything else. I’m sure they’re basing the statement on season ticket sales (which are down everywhere in the league), so making this kind of announcement now might be a way to try to encourage folks to attempt to come out for one or two games this year. Of course, to reiterate, that’s going to depend largely on the team’s performances.
    Frankly, I think Mr. Weaver is doing the right thing by making this clear to fans now. In the past, he or some local company frequently came forward to buy up remaining tickets to lift TV blackouts. People here are used to watching their local team on television…time for them to get used to disappointment.
    I frequently hear the argument that the popularity of college football (especially Florida, which is 45 minutes down the road) cuts into the ticket-buying dollar for the Jaguars. This is crap (and I say this as the father of a Florida State graduate who attended lots of their games). College teams play on Saturday. There aren’t enough tickets available for every Gator fan in the region, so buying tickets isn’t an issue (and college game tickets ain’t cheap, either). Florida’s games are also frequently available only on pay-per-view or in a sports package even in one of their biggest markets, Jacksonville, and you don’t hear people complaining about having to fork over that money.
    So, whatever the reasons for this (and I agree that the economy is the primary culprit for folks here), I hope it doesn’t happen. I’m not personally concerned about seeing games, as I’ve had season tickets since the beginning and almost never miss a game. I just hate the idea that the organization would be sounding defeat so easily.

  6. hehateflorio says: Aug 21, 2009 8:25 AM

    The Jags should have made a run at Favre. Isn’t that how you beat blackouts these days?

  7. jkidd49 says: Aug 21, 2009 8:26 AM

    someone explain to me why this city has a pro football team?

  8. bboozehound says: Aug 21, 2009 8:30 AM

    Since when is not selling out every game such a big deal? I remember Bills games in the 80’s where there were 20,000 in attendance when we were having 2-14 seasons. Why is it an absolute necessity for every team to sell out every single game? No other major sport has that kind of support. If the economics of the game are such that it is essential for each to team to sell out everything including the preseason then maybe things need to be changed on the cost side and not the revenue side.

  9. Big ben Rapistburger says: Aug 21, 2009 8:41 AM

    Atleast, the Jags are now the best team in the league at something. They cant win the most games, they cant lose the most games (and the team that did isnt facing black outs). Way to go Jags fans, you are officially pathetic!

  10. Twiz says: Aug 21, 2009 8:42 AM

    Think about this for a moment people. You have players making 8 digits per season. 10,000,000 or more for a SINGLE player. You have others that make 7 digits a year, while the majority make mid-high 6 figures.
    STOP PAYING SUCH GD HIGH SALARYS FOR PLAYERS.
    If that happens, ticket prices would go down dramatically!

  11. Pudge Heffelfinger says: Aug 21, 2009 8:42 AM

    Living in Central Florida, I’m a short drive from JVille, and even though I’m a Bucs fan, I checked out the Jags tickets to see what was available. The cheapest seats are $50. How do you justify that? Every NFL team needs to have $20 tickets. The Magic, Rays, Marlins, Lightning and Panthers all have $10 seats. Why do NFL teams have to charge $50 for the cheap seats?

  12. Purple Blitz says: Aug 21, 2009 8:43 AM

    Way back when, Taglibue had a chance to plant that franchise in Baltimore but opted for Jacksonville instead. In retrospect, he sure made a poor decision. Its only a matter of time before this franchise picks up and heads elsewhere.

  13. Alfie says: Aug 21, 2009 8:45 AM

    At least Florio mentioned the other teams this time. Nearly half the NFL could have black outs this year. It’s called a recession.
    Hilarious that Jacksonville takes the brunt of it. You’d think they’ve had every game blacked out since 200 or something. They’ve had 1 blackout over the last 10 years, in 2007.
    San Diego’s going to have black outs. The Jets could have black outs. Tampa Bay is friggin’ GIVING AWAY tickets. Minnesota was likely to have all of their games blacked out before Favre, Buffalo before T.O., and Atlanta will probably have black outs too. How do all of these cities have NFL teams @jkidd49? Duncecap.
    @cheifandm – The cheapest Jaguars’ ticket is $39 (x4 = $156). You don’t have to buy the $7 hot dogs. You don’t have to buy the $7 beers. You can eat before the game, which is what I do because I’m smart. That’s about what it costs to take a family of 4 to the damn movies now a days.

  14. jag dude says: Aug 21, 2009 8:47 AM

    Winning will fill the stadium. Our home record last year was not good.

  15. DanSnyderSux says: Aug 21, 2009 8:50 AM

    Bender says:
    August 21, 2009 8:09 AM
    This whole “we know its hard times” line is total bull. They want blackouts. If they didn’t they would price seats so that a family of four could reasonably enjoy a day at the game for the same as a night at the movies.
    Right now they are getting ZERO dollars for every empty seat, when they could be getting 15 or 20.
    They want blackouts, they want a reason to move the team.
    Let’s see…… the Los Angeles Jaguars. HMMMMMM.

  16. hayward giablommi says: Aug 21, 2009 8:50 AM

    I’ve been to two games in Jacksonville, both Monday Nights, and don’t have anything against Jacksonville or the fans there.
    That said, tickets there are VERY affordable compared to most other cities. I don’t buy the economy excuse. Bottom line is the NFL made a mistake in awarding a team to such a small market that was not going to be able to sustain itself once the novelty wore off.
    @ bboozehound
    The reason its a necessity for a team to sell out its games is that, unlike other sports, there are only 8 games a year and football teams draw from a much wider geographical area. There’s no excuse.

  17. Zox says: Aug 21, 2009 8:52 AM

    $20 to park
    at least $50 a ticket
    2000% markup on food and drinks.
    Yeah, I can’t figure out why teams across the country are not selling out.

  18. Big Vinny says: Aug 21, 2009 8:55 AM

    Jkidd, did you read Florio’s article? What part of “the league fears there could be more than a dozen teams facing challenges in this regard” did you miss?
    Sounds like this problem isn’t exclusive to Jacksonville.
    That being said, this team has been managed horrifically. Some of the worst drafting and free agent signings in league history. Certainly one of the worst 5-year spans in league history if nothing else.
    The fans aren’t the blame. The city isn’t to blame. It’s the ownership/coaching/admin that is to blame.
    Byron “don’t call me Brian” Leftwich
    Reggie Williams
    Matt Jones
    Hugh Douglas
    Drayton Florence
    Jerry Porter
    The list goes on and on and on and on and on.
    Would you pay $300 to go see this crap?

  19. Smush Rodrigez says: Aug 21, 2009 8:59 AM

    It is the city. The Eagles will sell out even in these economic conditions. The Phillies and Eagles fans travel to other cities to see their team. They should not lower the ticket prices to $15. They should move the team to somewhere that will have a LOYAL fanbase.

  20. jkidd49 says: Aug 21, 2009 8:59 AM

    Comparing tickets to an NFL game and a baseball, basketball or hockey game is ridiculous! 8 games versus 40 or 80 is not even close!
    And please do not tell me about all these other teams having blackouts. If these cities / teams can’t get people in the seats, they don’t need teams! The NFL should operate like the premier league where if you stink you get demoted to a lower league until you turn things around. It would solve this problem and keep the AFL / UFL afloat.
    Green Bay, Pitt, Philly, Chicago… there are teams out there that no matter how poorly they perform, will always seal out.

  21. ras6111 says: Aug 21, 2009 9:02 AM

    Move all those teams to LA who already proved they can’t keep a team twice

  22. FlacAttack5 says: Aug 21, 2009 9:10 AM

    Purple Blitz says:
    August 21, 2009 8:43 AM
    Way back when, Taglibue had a chance to plant that franchise in Baltimore but opted for Jacksonville instead. In retrospect, he sure made a poor decision. Its only a matter of time before this franchise picks up and heads elsewhere.
    Maybe Jacksonville should have built a museum instead.

  23. jaxjohn says: Aug 21, 2009 9:11 AM

    The Jags are a good Franchise and in a city that is growing 5 times faster than and city north of it. In time this is going to be a great market. Were would you move them to LA. Please no body likes LA and 2 teams left there because it sucks.
    11% unemployment and reduced salaries by those who are still employed is the problem. What is really interesting is that 33% of the NFL teams are having the same problem. Maybe we should castrate more corporations for spending money. In 2010 there will be no NFL football either because the owners will force the melt down. 30,000,000 a year for kids that haven’t played 1 day in the league is just stupid!

  24. broncoman says: Aug 21, 2009 9:22 AM

    The Eagles suck Mr. Smush…and so do the fans.
    btw, your mom just called, she is waiting at the gate at what she thinks is still called “Franklin Field”.

  25. Alfie says: Aug 21, 2009 9:45 AM

    Jacksonville’s issue is that the stadium is too big, literally. It’s stadium is BIGGER than Pitt’s and Chicago’s WITH the tarps. They don’t have PSL’s like the Panthers.
    Without the tarps it seats 77,000, which would be the 4th most in the NFL. Only 2 stadiums built since Jacksonville built theirs, Washington and Dallas.
    Terrible planning on the city of Jacksonville’s part. Shocker, really…

  26. Samuel L. Bronkowitz says: Aug 21, 2009 9:51 AM

    Say hello to your Los Angeles Panthers!

  27. roboninja says: Aug 21, 2009 9:54 AM

    Maybe it is time to get rid of this archaic blackout rule in the NFL? No other league does this anymore, as they have realized that making sure no one can ever see your team is not the way to fight apathy about your team.

  28. rayg says: Aug 21, 2009 9:56 AM

    The NFL needs to stop awarding franchises to podunk cow towns in the south. These same people have no problems filling up NASCAR events with ticket prices in the same range. The south is for college football (also having a similar pricing structure). The north and midwest is for Pro Football.

  29. jeff says: Aug 21, 2009 10:07 AM

    The chiefs won 6 games in the past 2 seasons and they still sellout. Its all about the fan base.

  30. dolfaninjagscountry says: Aug 21, 2009 10:07 AM

    Thanks Jaguars now i can hopefully watch more Dolphins games…

  31. BrownsTown says: Aug 21, 2009 10:18 AM

    Talk about a downward spiral. Not showing the team on local TV should do wonders for keeping up interest in the team and, therefore, ticket sales.

  32. FlacAttack5 says: Aug 21, 2009 10:22 AM

    Maybe Taglibue should have told Jacksonville to build a museum instead of Baltimore. Douche.

  33. Bob Nelson says: Aug 21, 2009 10:29 AM

    The Tm Coughlin days of winning and having a nice red blooded American QB like Mark Brunell are gone.
    They hired that stupid former viking as head coach and the franchise went right downhill.
    If they had signed Brett Favre there would be no black outs.

  34. SpartaChris says: Aug 21, 2009 10:49 AM

    Pudge Heffelfinger says:
    August 21, 2009 8:42 AM
    Living in Central Florida, I’m a short drive from JVille, and even though I’m a Bucs fan, I checked out the Jags tickets to see what was available. The cheapest seats are $50. How do you justify that? Every NFL team needs to have $20 tickets. The Magic, Rays, Marlins, Lightning and Panthers all have $10 seats. Why do NFL teams have to charge $50 for the cheap seats?
    ========================================================
    Because NFL teams only play 8 home games per year while every other team in every other sport you just mentioned plays at least 40 or more home games per season:
    Baseball plays 162 games per year.
    Basketball = 83
    Hockey = 82.
    Football = 16.
    They can afford lower ticket prices due to the volume of tickets sold over the season.
    It’s also why ticket prices to football games are so steep and why they black out games that don’t sell a certain amount of tickets. The demand due to fewer games being played at home per season is supposed to exceed the supply, and those revenues generated are supposed to go to cover operating expenses, which include player salaries. By blacking out games, they are able to create an artificial demand for tickets.
    While the basics of supply and demand should ultimately determine price, the problem is tickets need to be sold minimum price in order for teams to break even on the year. I’m not sure what that price is as I’m sure it varies from team to team, but if tickets became too cheap, teams would wind up losing money. Lose enough money and the team is moving.
    The NFLPA doesn’t need to force the league to op en their books to realize the owners aren’t lying when they say they’re losing money. They can simply look at the number of increasing blackouts across the league year over year and get a good idea that things need to change a bit.

  35. RexRyan'sStressedLapband says: Aug 21, 2009 10:52 AM

    Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Philly – all have waiting lists for season tickets and you have to (rhymes with know) someone to get a single game ticket.
    Detroit – the most impotent team on the planet sold out every game for a million years until last year…because they suck.
    Even the perennially crappy OH teams consistently sell out – and OH just generally sucks.
    These cites have what’s called fans. REAL fans, not a few people who decided against the beach today. If Jacksonville wants to sell out games, I’m afraid the only answer is to move the franchise. Is Jacksonville even a top 100 city as far as size? I’m not being a smartass, I really don’t know. I know it isn’t THAT big. Plus, you have Tampa Bay, Atlanta, Miami, and Orlando all competing for the sports dollar with SEVERAL options. It’s sad Jacksonville, but it seems to be true.
    And if I have to log in many more times, I’m going to say screw it and just find somewhere else to get my news. How is it that the hamster run servers were better than NBC’s?
    AND WTF HAPPENED TO THE COMMENT RATINGS FLORIO??? DON’T SELL YOUR LONGTIME FAITHFULS UP THE FRIGGAN RIVER!!!

  36. jj jones says: Aug 21, 2009 11:01 AM

    The Jaguars won’t be the only team in the NFL with blackouts in 2009. They are just the first to admit it. The Chargers have thousands of tickets available for every home game this year. This will be an ugly year for blackouts in the NFL.

  37. Yatgirl says: Aug 21, 2009 11:11 AM

    Hard times ?The dome is sold out for the season, with a waiting list of 20,000. The Jaguars to L.A. .
    Geaux Saints!!!!

  38. redcell says: Aug 21, 2009 11:21 AM

    The League black-out policy will kill the NFL.Don’t punish the fans because of a down economy.It’s mean spirited and there will be a heavy price to pay.Lost market share is seldom regained. Bye Bye !

  39. Big Vinny says: Aug 21, 2009 11:21 AM

    rayg, there’s no room for you hate-filled speech on this site. If you don’t like the Southeastern US, then I suggest you stay away from it.

  40. redcell says: Aug 21, 2009 11:26 AM

    a dozen cities blacked out…that’s millions of fans…many won’t be back. B-O-Y-C-O-T.

  41. jj jones says: Aug 21, 2009 11:34 AM

    “Hard times ?The dome is sold out for the season, with a waiting list of 20,000. The Jaguars to L.A. .”
    If Jacksonville gets flooded by a hurricane and the team leaves for a year, they will have a waiting list too. Don’t be so naive.

  42. Bigbluefan says: Aug 21, 2009 11:41 AM

    It must be the team we have two teams one good one a joke but even the jets who will do poorly again this year and have been rebuilding since 1969 sell out every weekend
    That means 22 games a season at the meadowlands sold out
    And if they make the place twice as big they will still sell out
    Jacksonville is just not into it

  43. jj jones says: Aug 21, 2009 11:53 AM

    “That being said, this team has been managed horrifically. Some of the worst drafting and free agent signings in league history. Certainly one of the worst 5-year spans in league history if nothing else.”
    And yet they made the playoffs twice and finished a game out twice. I think some fans in Buffalo, Cincinnati and Detroit could handle that type of torture.

  44. mr duval says: Aug 21, 2009 12:13 PM

    Alfie says:
    August 21, 2009 9:45 AM
    Jacksonville’s issue is that the stadium is too big, literally. It’s stadium is BIGGER than Pitt’s and Chicago’s WITH the tarps. They don’t have PSL’s like the Panthers.
    Without the tarps it seats 77,000, which would be the 4th most in the NFL. Only 2 stadiums built since Jacksonville built theirs, Washington and Dallas.
    Terrible planning on the city of Jacksonville’s part. Shocker, really…
    Couldn’t have said it better myself! Why would you put a almost 80,000 seat stadium in one of the NFL’s smallest and newest markets?! They should have started really small, like 60,000 and increased the number of seats as intrest, population, and loyalty improved. But they were so worried about hosting a Super Bowl that they made a huge stadium that can’t be filled. smooth guys, real smooth…

  45. BuffalofaninPhilly says: Aug 21, 2009 12:28 PM

    When Arthur Blank bought the Falcons the first thing he did to fill in the seats was sell Upper deck seats for $10 per game on a season ticket package. I believe they now sell for $30 per game on a package last I heard. I remember when asked Mr.Blank why they did that he stated that he needed to fill the seats and that the only way to fill them was lower the price. An owner needs to determine if it is in his best interest to lower the price of the seats to have the stadium filled and make money. Mr.Weaver apparently does not feel that way

  46. purpleguy says: Aug 21, 2009 1:10 PM

    Just wait, the Jags won’t be standing alone here. Low population center, other NFL teams in the state, short tenure to build a fan base, crappy economy, lousy team — this isn’t a big suprise.
    But really, where else is there to go? LA won’t realistically work for well known reasons. Canada? Mexico? Vegas? Oklahoma?

  47. spyboots says: Aug 21, 2009 1:41 PM

    “Jacksonville’s issue is that the stadium is too big, literally. It’s stadium is BIGGER.”
    It’s still the fan base and LOYALTY!
    Those of us on 15-year waiting lists for season tickets wish we had those extra 20,000 seats iu our stadiums. The waiting time might go down to just 10 years.

  48. grantar2 says: Aug 21, 2009 1:48 PM

    What the NFL needs this year is to strike a deal with priceline.com or similar to sell off unpurchased seats. make them available online from a week before the game until the day before at discount. Yeah some people will wait, but it will generate additional revenue without the team having to do the discounting publically.

  49. virtueandvice says: Aug 21, 2009 2:55 PM

    My God, will the NFL FINALLY admit it made a mistake and get this team out of Wafflehouseville, USA? Putting a team in Jacksonville and not Baltimore was a disgrace from the day it was announced, not to mention the fact that Cleveland lost it’s team to a city that should have been given an expansion franchise the day after the Colts moved. Tarping off sections of a stadium is an embarrassment!

  50. jaxjohn says: Aug 21, 2009 3:08 PM

    20,000 seat waiting list yeah sure!!!!
    The Giants and Cowboys said the same thing then they went to their list with 50,000.00 personal seat licenses and guess what no list.
    Those lists are bogus!!!
    Wise up we are an OBAMNATION NOW!

  51. jj jones says: Aug 21, 2009 3:13 PM

    “It’s still the fan base and LOYALTY!”
    The Jaguars have a loyal, passionate fanbase. It just isn’t big enough. Go to a game at their stadium.

  52. Wellsee says: Aug 21, 2009 3:24 PM

    The Jags need to lower prices on tickets, as Blank did in Atlanta when he came in. He knew there wasn’t great demand (for an inferior product, at the time), so he priced it accordingly.
    And it is the smart move to do, economically. When running a business, you want each customer to cover their own variable and fixed costs, but you NEED each customer to cover their variable cost. With a stadium, each attendees variable cost is very low (concessionaires, parking lot attendants, and cleanup people are used at a low ratio to the number who go to the event) while their fixed costs are very high (player salaries; the fricking stadium). As long as the ticket price exceeds the variable cost, the organization is better off, and the amount that exceeds the variable cost helps pay for the fixed cost. It is like with airplanes selling last minute seats cheap — the extra fuel consumed due to that person sitting on the plane isn’t much, and getting $50 is better than $0.
    The Jags are stupid if they don’t mark down prices and leave seats empty.
    (And for the love of god, please fix this broken registration/logged-in/log-out problem.)

  53. dcfan-1212450 says: Aug 21, 2009 3:34 PM

    You know, for the first time us Redskins fans can make a comment without any single stupid person out there knocking on us for ridiculous reasons. We will NEVER have this problem. A 92,000 seat stadium with 146,000 people on the season tickets waiting list, more than double the second team in any pro sport. So all you Philladelphia and Dallas fans have no idea what true fan loyalty is compared to Washington Redskins fans. 18 years since a super bowl with only 3 playoff appearance and yet sold out almost every year with the longest season tickets waiting list in history BY FAR. Ya, thats real loyalty. As some of you mentioned, fan loyalty fixes all and the Jaguars just dont have it. People now watch the Tampa Bay Rays because they win, but people dont even watch the Jags when they win. Hell, people went to see the Lions last year when the entire city’s people have no jobs and no houses in Detroit. I give them far more props than all the retirees in Jacksonville.

  54. jj jones says: Aug 21, 2009 4:00 PM

    “People now watch the Tampa Bay Rays because they win…”
    Have you watched a Rays game this year? They can hardly get 20k. Nice try though.

  55. SpartaChris says: Aug 21, 2009 4:17 PM

    dcfan-1212450 says:
    August 21, 2009 3:34 PM
    …with the longest season tickets waiting list in history BY FAR.
    =======================================
    Yeah, not quite. You might have the most number of people on your wait list for season tickets, but the average wait for season tickets is 30 years.
    Compared to Green Bay’s 100+ year wait for season tickets, the Redskins wait pales in comparison.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_season_ticket_waiting_lists

  56. BOLO63 says: Aug 21, 2009 4:27 PM

    YOU WANT LOYALTY, THE STEELRS BEEN SOLD OUT SINCE 1972. KIDS FIGHT OVER THEIR PARENTS WILLS FOR THE TICKETS. WHEN IT COMES TO LOYALTY, THERE’S ONLY ONE. THE STEELERS NATION!

  57. Baseball First says: Aug 21, 2009 4:30 PM

    defan says, “You know, for the first time us Redskins fans can make a comment without any single stupid person out there knocking on us for ridiculous reasons.”
    You must be kidding. Before this is even typed I am sure there will be numerous knocks on your post. It is all your fault for using the word stupid, stupid. Everyone here thinks they are a genius on any topic. You are giving us all a free pass to pick your post apart, lol.
    Being loyal to mediocrity does not give you the right to claim the best fans ring. True fans will, at some point, still support their team and emphatically boo 18 years of waiting for next year. Did you think that, maybe, the complacency of the wonderful fans contributes to the inability to produce a champion? With a waiting list in the tens of thousands, what incentive does ownership have to end the failure? We all may snipe at each other’s teams, but we all love them equally. That is why we post here to begin with.

  58. Brewster says: Aug 21, 2009 6:28 PM

    WeMissYouDan says:
    August 21, 2009 10:52 AM
    And if I have to log in many more times, I’m going to say screw it and just find somewhere else to get my news. How is it that the hamster run servers were better than NBC’s?
    AND WTF HAPPENED TO THE COMMENT RATINGS FLORIO??? DON’T SELL YOUR LONGTIME FAITHFULS UP THE FRIGGAN RIVER!!!
    _____________________________
    Florio, he has two very valid points which many others have also mentioned numerous times, and unless I’ve missed it you have never given us an appropriate answer as to why these issues have not yet been addressed.
    Having to log on every time to post a comment is a constant annoyance and totally unnecessary technologically.
    And the disappearance of the comment ratings system???
    Since the changeover to NBC I find myself spending less time on your site since it’s just not as enjoyable.

  59. PARavensJeff says: Aug 22, 2009 1:23 AM

    Taglibue was a jerk & will get what he deserved for what he did to Baltimore trying to protect his buddy Jack Kent Cooke. He put teams in Jacksonville & Charlotte that should have been put in Baltimore & St. Louis. This guy deserves to never be in the HOF for being a corrupt inside the beltway lawyer.

  60. rvnmaniak says: Aug 23, 2009 9:35 AM

    Baltimore takes flack all the time for “stealing” the Browns from Cleveland. What short-sited national media and fans forget is that the franchises were headed to St Louis and Baltimore (according to SI article the week before expansion.) But in stepped Tagliabue with his social engineering and awarded only one franchise, deferring the other to a later date. A dejected Wayne Weaver threw in the towel and withdrew Jax from consideration……..until Tagliabue called him and said “Not so fast.” Baltimore, of course, knew we were screwed.
    People forget that STL and Baltimore had publicly financed stadiums without the need for PSL financing. Tagliabue shrewdly realized that Charlotte and Jax could transfer the expense to THE FANS by inventing the PSL (originally devised by Jerry Richardson of the Panthers to compete in expansion.) So not only did Tags protect Jack Kent Cooke’s “Baltimore-Washington Redskins” (never accepted by Baltimore fans) but the lucrative PSL was invented. Unfortunately, this is the NFL equivalent of the sub-prime mortgage, eventually coming to roost as the the economy goes down and the luster of the new team wears off. Ironically, Florida takes the hit again.
    Meanwhile, owners at the table immediately take aim at STL and Baltimore where the true fan base and financing are waiting for the fortunate owners willing to take them. Both cities had teams within 2 years, and both teams had super bowl victories within 6 years……….with teams that had never won the SB before. Still blaming Baltimore? Tagliabue for the HOF? Think of that the next time you hear that a PSL is $20K a seat and people in Jax can’t watch their team on TV.
    By the way, Baltimore Ravens tix go for 3 times face value on StubHub and there has never been ONE unsold ticket in 13 years since the team moved. Good job Tagliabue.

  61. rvnmaniak says: Aug 23, 2009 9:49 AM

    Oh, I forgot the punch line. The above timeline is why PAUL TAGLIABUE is the man who stole the Browns from their beloved Cleveland. The same Browns who were looking at a blackout for their first preseason game last night against Detroit. The same Browns whose fans wonder why they have to pay high prices and PSL’s for their seats. Don’t blame Baltimore.

  62. chris57 says: Aug 25, 2009 1:53 AM

    sorry dcfan but I signed up for the waitlist in 2002 and got an offer for tickets before last season. I turned it down and got the same offer again this year. So will I be on the wait list from now until forever? How many thousand are like me and don’t want tickets anymore, but are still on the waitlist?

  63. BillsSeasonz says: Sep 1, 2009 7:52 PM

    @bboozehound – that was the mid 80s. The game has changed. Back then, stadiums were played in baseball stadiums, great players made $1M a year, and the NFL’s targeted fan was the blue collar worker. Times have changed, and so has the nfl.
    @alfie – you couldn’t be more wrong. The jags have had trouble lifting blackouts for the entire decade. Go look it up. They would have had even more blackouts if they didn’t put all that tarp covering 15k seats in their stadium. In normal times, the jags had 4 blackouts a year.
    @all the people who say the jags are getting singled out or that this is an NFL problem – i dont think you realize how serious this is. Take the bills for example: a small market team that has to worry about blackouts: 4 blackouts (all in 2006) since 2005. Jacksonville: 8 blackouts in one year! The bills have sold out all but 3 regular season games this year, but all are likely to sell out, even in a recession. Sure, tickets are a little cheaper but don’t give me that crap like it would matter in an economically depressed area like buffalo… Its not about high ticket prices, the jacksonville problem is the lack of fan support. Nobody cares for the team in jacksonville. Well, obviously some people do, but not enough to fill a stadium.
    Is the problem correctable? Sure, The cardinals averaged 40k fans a game in the 90’s… now they sell out every game. The bills used to sell out the home opener and the miami game in the 90’s… now they sell out every non december game with ease (and usually the december ones as well). They just need a new marketing plan and a new attitude. maybe they are trying to attact the wrong people? I’m not sure. But, they better fix it fast becaues the league really wants a team in LA right now. Don’t let them have a reason… the nfl will take it.

  64. BillsSeasonz says: Sep 1, 2009 8:14 PM

    @BigVinny – you know how many franchises have even worse drafts/free agent signings than the jags, yet still sell out the season?
    Look at the Jets, look at the Bills, look at the the bronocos, look at the bears, etc. etc. Whenever you think of it as a “im paying for a product”, you’re not going to be satisfied. That’s not what it is to be a fan… People who think like that aren’t real fans. Luckily, most cities have enough real fans to sell out the place. Jacksonville isn’t so lucky. The bills have realistically no shot at making the playoffs this year, yet they will still sell out. That’s what im talking about. It’s not all about TO.
    @redcell – having the 50th biggest market blacked out from the jags (and forced to watch another team) isn’t going to hurt the NFL one bit.
    @redcell – you’re obviously not a real fan. When the bills wer eblacked out regularly back in the day, i’d listen on the radio. Can you say you’d do that?
    Again, this is what i’m talking about… maybe there just isn’t that appropriate level of interest in jax to keep a team…
    @jaxjohn – waiting lists actually do exist. In new york, green bay, pittsburgh, and new england. I know its a foreign concept to a fan of a team where there are less season ticketholders than are on the packers waiting list…
    @jj jones – for such a loyal fanbase, how come when you go to a jags-bills game, the stadium is predominantly blils fans? Could it be that jacksonville is like a mini-pheonix where nobody is “from” jacksonville? The only problem with that is jax is a lot smaller and a lot poorer than pheonix.
    @jj jones – thanks for hitting my point home. nobody watches the rays because everyone from tampa is a yankee fan but retired to the south from nyc, connecticut, new jersey, etc. Now, are they can switch teams after 50 years? No way. They don’t care about 1 world series appearance; once you are a real fan of a team, you don’t switch. That is why expansion is so hard.

  65. jj jones says: Sep 18, 2009 1:08 PM

    “@jj jones – for such a loyal fanbase, how come when you go to a jags-bills game, the stadium is predominantly blils fans? Could it be that jacksonville is like a mini-pheonix where nobody is “from” jacksonville? The only problem with that is jax is a lot smaller and a lot poorer than pheonix.”
    At least people in Jacksonville know how to spell Phoenix.

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