Has Vick already violated the terms of his reinstatement?

We get a lot of e-mails every day.  Often, the message carries a subject line that reflects a gross exaggeration (at best) of the information contained therein.

So when perusing the e-mail box after taking a workout break (and then eating a lunch big enough to more than offset the benefits of the workout), I shrugged when I saw the following message heading:  “Mike Vick may have already violated terms of NFL reinstatement.”

Then I opened the message.

It contained a link to an August 16 item in the New York Post.  Brian Costello of the Post writes in the first paragraph of the article that, on the evening after Vick’s return to the practice field, he “sat in a corner booth . . . in the Riverbend Bar & Grill,
sipping on a Grey Goose and pineapple juice and talking with two friends.”

Grey Goose, for those of you unfamiliar with Maurice Clarett, is vodka.

The problem?  Vick’s conditional reinstatement to the NFL contains an express prohibition against the use of drugs and alcohol.

In the July 27 letter communicating to Vick his conditional reinstatement, Commissioner Roger Goodell wrote that “you are required to abide
by the terms of the supervised release that were imposed on you by the
court, which include not committing any further crime, limits on who
you may associate with, prohibitions regarding drug and alcohol use,
possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon, and forbidding you
to own, possess or be involved with the sale of any dog.”

So, basically, wow.

We’re certain that, if this becomes an issue, there will be explanations and clarifications and anything but an admission that Vick was drinking alcohol.  Still, the mere fact that Costello wrote that Vick was drinking vodka in public demonstrates the extreme care Vick must exercise not only to stay within his razor-thin margin for error, but also to create a clear perception on the part of others that he hasn’t done anything to violate the terms of his reinstatement or, more importantly, his probation.

102 responses to “Has Vick already violated the terms of his reinstatement?

  1. the real question is, how would the writer of the email know what Vick was drinking in the first place. Did he watch the bartender make the drink, watch the waitress take the drink to the table and watch her put it in front of Vick. Somehow, I’m sure the answer is no, the writer of the email jus ASSumed what happened.
    NEXT?!?!?!?!?!

  2. Florio your anti-Eagles bias is REALLY getting old.
    As a lawyer surely you realise “prohibitions regarding drug and alcohol use” does not neccesarily mean a ottal ban??

  3. Lip service.
    “As a lawyer surely you realise “prohibitions regarding drug and alcohol use” does not neccesarily mean a ottal ban??”
    hahaha

  4. @eaglealan64 . . . .
    so you interpret the phrase “prohibitions regarding drug and alcohol use” to mean that there are certain types of drugs and alcohol he’s allowed to ingest?
    seriously?

  5. Florio said: “We get a lot of e-mails every day. Often, the message carries a subject line that reflects a gross exaggeration (at best) of the information contained therein.”
    mborz says: “I read PFT every day. Often, the posting carries a subject line that reflects a gross exaggeration (at best) of the information contained therein.”

  6. He’s just showing his love for animals by throwing down a couple of geese. He’s obviously a changed man. If Dungy says it, we should believe it.
    He now loves redbull with grey goose. Take that PETA! Isn’t reddog a beer? Isn’t the saying that for a hangover you bite the “hair of the dog”?
    It’s not easy to change the stripes of a cheetah.

  7. Gimme a break Florio. How does this guy know what Vick was drinking, I could have swore i typed in PFT not ESPN, The mother ship does this kind of reporting not Florio, maybe the man was drinking 100% Pure Florida Orange Juice, maybe he was drinking Grey Goose, in which case I dont give a crap either, why is he not supposed to drink? Did alcohol make him kill dogs? Its ridiculous has the courts add on things that have nothing to do with the case.

  8. Hey, Florio, I also heard that he FARTED in the car, and locked the windows so his friends could not roll the windows down! He made them smell it, and he LAUGHED! Can you believe that? When is this kid going to CLEAN UP HIS ACT?

  9. A violation is a violation. You always read about players getting busted for what seems like minor offenses, but it’s because of the probation. Seems like huge news to me.
    I’d hate to see the guy knocked out because of one drink. But at the same time, I’d love it.

  10. he “sat in a corner booth . . . in the Riverbend Bar & Grill, sipping on a Grey Goose and pineapple juice and talking with two friends.”
    Sounds like he had a long day at the office?
    C’mon, only the bartender would know the facts of what was in that drink!

  11. Vick will violate both the terms of his NFL reinstatement and the terms of his probation during his first year back. As to whether this gets dealt with accordingly by the NFL/Feds or not is anyone’s guess. I don’t see Vick being able to live up to the a zero tolerance levels he’s expected to uphold.

  12. Why would the commissioner care about him drinking vodka, when he failed a drug test that has yet to be addressed by the NFL.

  13. Dont you guys get it yet, Florio is just like ESPN and the other cronies…they are great reporters and than the minute they hit the big time they are unable to step on people’s toes due to the fact that their “stream” of information will go away. Also, has anyone noticed that this site used to be so much better, all I read now is recycled sports garbage that I see everywhere, and of course the usual, picking on teams with great fan bases because that is what gets traffic on the site going. Eagles, Pats, Cowboys, etc… How come florio does not write about how shitty the other stadiums in the nfl are, rather decides to post some gazillion number of times about the dreaded movement of the scoreboard in a stadium that looked amazing to me on TV. Hey Florio, we can read the same crap on espn or cbs or anywhere…I am about 2 more weeks away from deleting PFT as a bookmark. Considering I already read it on ESPN by the time it posts here.

  14. Hey Eaglephan, don’t make the rest of us look stupid by association. Prohibition=NONE.
    My probaion officer saw me drinking a beer once. My probation was extended. Vick is a f-ing dbag if he had a drink around a reporter. In fact, if he wanted to have a drink then he should do it at home. He can’t be doing this kind of thing while under the microscope.

  15. LOL @Eaglesfan. WTF do you think prohibit-ion means? Do they have a dictionary in Philly? If so, go find it.
    BAN VICK NOW!

  16. Mike, what is with the hard on you have for Vick? The only thing missing from this story is your obligatory “Vick never gave the dogs a chance” line. Give it a break for real, and while we are on the subject, how long does Vick have to kiss everyone ass. Its clear that he doesn’t want to do all the crap that they are making him do, so why make him. He did his time and thats it. That is the Statute of Limitations on ass kissing to keep your job. I’m no fan of the dude but I wish he had told the NFL to kiss his ass and played in the UFL or something..

  17. This is an old story… from last week. Terms of his supervised release that I saw stated he is not consume “Excessive” alcohol. Keep trying Florio.

  18. Well, I see the Vick apologists took their daily dose of stupid pills……
    ————————————–
    “the real question is, how would the writer of the email know what Vick was drinking in the first place. ”
    I think it says the e-mailer sent him a link to a NY Post article.
    ———————————————-
    As a lawyer surely you realise “prohibitions regarding drug and alcohol use” does not neccesarily mean a ottal ban??
    Ummmm………Nevermind. This doesn’t deserve a comment
    ——————————————
    Its ridiculous has the courts add on things that have nothing to do with the case.
    I think Goddell, you know the commissioner of the NFL reinstated him, not the court system. I think it was stated in this article about his conditional reinstatement…..
    —————————————–
    When is this kid going to CLEAN UP HIS ACT?
    30 year old kids…..Rarely clean up their act….

  19. “Florio your anti-Eagles bias is REALLY getting old.
    As a lawyer surely you realise “prohibitions regarding drug and alcohol use” does not neccesarily mean a ottal ban??”
    What does pointing out that scumbag Vick immediately violated his parole and reinstatement agreement have anything to do with being anti-Eagles ? I have to laugh at people who say Mike hates one team or another, as he has equal bias against a-holes and equal support for players and team personnel that work hard and do a good job.
    And since you obviously don’t know the meaning of certain English words, here’s a little help from Websters dictionary at websters.com –
    pro·hi·bi·tion (prō’ə-bĭsh’ən)
    n.
    The act of prohibiting or the condition of being prohibited.
    A law, order, or decree that forbids something.
    The forbidding by law of the manufacture, transportation, sale, and possession of alcoholic beverages.
    What do you not get about that meaning he can have ZERO drinks while on probation and under the reinstatement agreement ?
    “Its clear that he doesn’t want to do all the crap that they are making him do, so why make him”
    So you’d rather he just go back to torturing and abusing animals then ? You can have a big dose of GFY and enjoy Vick’s balls bouncing off your chin.

  20. @nationscapital10
    See ya. You’ll save time a space for those of us that enjoy coming here to talk some crap and get most or some of our NFL (or Jr’s) news when we need/want it. Sucks to be you man.

  21. Hey Troof, that would be funny if a greyhound were actually vodka and pineapple. But it’s not. Vodka and grapefruit=greyhound.

  22. No, tx_eagle. You didn’t read that. The prohibition of drugs and alcohol is a provision attached to almost every release from prison/probation document. It never mentions excessive. That my friend, is a fabrication.

  23. I really like this site but your a moron. The condition of ones probation and parole is set up according to their crime. His requirements will not have a no alcohol because he didnt have any drug charges so goodell said he must comply. Also you really did a bang up job interpreting sal pals piece. What i read said there is a meeting monday for him to get involved what you got was vick does nothing great job tool box.

  24. You guys don’t get it. This d-bad FARTED in the CAR! And then he intentionally, willfully, MADE HIS FRIENDS SMELL IT. His friends DID NOT LIKE IT! But he made them do it anyway!
    This guy hasn’t changed one bit. Real remorse my arse. Come on, what more do we need to see?

  25. ive never defended Florio before but i gotta say
    if its “prohibited” and he is on probation he cannot
    do it.Since this has been made public im sure he might be subject to more random testing but he was
    apparently so arrogant as to sit in PULLIC and drink Vodka.
    When you are on probation you are FORBIDDEN to do certain things. Drugs and alcohol are on his Forbidden list whether anyone thinks its petty or not.
    Lets not forget that he was released Early pending him NOT doing certain things and he has already allowed a public perception of himself (VICK) to be questioned instead of being a choirboy for a couple of years and then he can do what he wants without such serious repercussions.
    Lets not also forget that Vick hasnt done a damn thing with the local animal rights groups that he is ALSO REQUIRED to do….
    just trying to keep it semireal

  26. Vick sure looks like a changed man to me! Remember his first go-round, when he displayed an overwhelming sense of entitlement, and it seemed clear he felt he was above the rules?

  27. “Terms of his supervised release that I saw stated he is not consume “Excessive” alcohol.”
    Eagirl fans continue to be the dumbest asses on the planet.

  28. So this is where the idiot hangout. Guess I’d better delete my registration. I’ve been a member all of 15 minutes! Good riddens!

  29. It contained a link to an August 16 item in the New York Post. Brian Costello of the Post
    They Keywords in the phrase NEW YORK as in Giants. Hes just afraid of Vick. lol
    Anyway unlesss Costello has reciepts from the table of what was served and to whom, and has the bartender and/or server backing up his story it really means nothing.
    I think the Eagles, NFL, and Probation will see it that way too. Because like you said there are people out there who are out to get Michael any way necessary. Or people out there just looking for good story to tell. No matter if its true or not.
    If Vick ever goes shopping for a new necklace we will probly here someone say they say him buying a choke chain for the new puppy they seen him buy in the mall.

  30. All of these sport talking heads are upset that they basically got turned into gossip mongers. They so thought they could write the narrative and that Goodell was gonna ban Vick for a season, then they tried to push the “no team will sign him” talking point. Before he would never be a QB again…now they conclude there HAS to be a QB controversy in the making…LMAO! Hilarious! Florio = Perez Hilton

  31. CtownBleedsGreen, Festivus and HarrisonHits,
    You all are idiots! The letter provides there are prohibitions relating to alcohol, not a prohibition on alcohol. Most Conditions of Release do not include a total ban on alcohol.
    In any event, the link posted by tx_eagle should clear it up for you all.

  32. I’ve never seen so many people give so much credence to something “reported” in the NY Post. If the national enquirer published a story that the Ravens were considering signing Batboy off the waiver wire, I would say they are equally likely to be true.

  33. Ctownbleedsgreen….your calling tx Eagles a “retard” because you tried to call him out, acted like you knew what you were talking about, and he PROVED his point AND produced the actual court documents? So because both he embarrassed you, and you also embarrassed yourself, HES the RETARD?? I think it’s clear who the retard is there Mr. Kno-it-all-who-really-knows-nothing….

  34. At last count, Florio has a bias against every team in the NFL, half the CFL and maybe a few high school teams. All I saw in this post was a report that Mikey might have screwed up (again). If he did, he deserves to pay. If not, he doesn’t.

  35. once a scumbag, always a scumbag.
    of course with all the fart talk, it makers one wonder what else did barf fart do today…

  36. My how the years have changed what we will and willnot overlook. Baseball kicked the heck out of their start player because he gambled. But now, you can kill animals for money, serve time in jail and be rewarded by getting to play football again. If we the people do not speak up against Micheal Vicks performing his redeemed way of life, who will? All the animals he killed, money that was bet, and we’re going to turn our heads……?Annette P

  37. Worst yet, even after having posted the actual document, there’s still people trying to argue against.
    Now THAT, deserves a Wow!

  38. It’s this simple I think there is a lawyer here today? No one knows what was in the glass because none of you were there to taste his drink.. I don’t think that “hear say” is allowed in court?
    I don’t like vick either but some of you people are so gullible you will believe anything.
    Florio, since you got this gig you have gotten away from being a reliable source. Go back being that guy with the great information on the radio.

  39. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2009-07-27-michael-vick-reinstated_N.htm
    Terms on posted on the side.
    Relevant part:
    Conditions that Vick must abide by in order to be reinstated fully:
    –Must abide by the terms of his parole.
    –Cannot commit any further crime.
    –Must limit whom he associates with.
    –Cannot use drugs or alcohol.
    –Cannot possess a firearm or other dangerous weapon.
    –Cannot own, possess, or be involved with the sale of any dog.
    Two quick points, this says for FULL reinstatement, some sort of conditional one could probably be otherwise allowed. And no relation to Mike.

  40. Florio wakes up at night in a cold sweat thinking about Michael Vick and Jerry Jones’ television.
    Look for a dozen more stories on each in the coming week.

  41. tx eagles, the blowedone, OSP, and eaglealan.
    This just shows you how retarded some writers and their retarded followers can be. First, the writer copy/pastes a report from NY without doing any research whatsoever. Nice to see you get paid for sitting on your ass doing nothing. Second, the retarded cronies sit here and read the story buying every bit of it. I wonder if 90% of the cronies on here are PETA’s slaves that recite the same shit over and over again… It’s as if they don’t have a mind of their own.

  42. Vick came from the slums and now he’s back.
    I hpe he grabs Paris Hilton’s little dog and eats it.

  43. Nothing will come out of this but its’ not a question of if he screws up it’s a question of when. the guy is always doing something stupid it’s in his blood he can’t stop. He is just a low life punk that will probably die in prison.

  44. For the rest of you making fun of people for saying prohibition means a ban/restriction. No shit. Perhaps you should learn to read English before you attempt to make sense of the line “prohibitions regarding alcohol and drug use.” Where does it say alcohol is being “prohibited” in this statement? I see where it says “prohibitions,” which is plural. I also see the word “use” as opposed to just “alcohol and drugs.”This means that there will be “certain restrictions” placed upon “alcohol and drug use.” If alcohol and drugs were to be banned it would read, “prohibition on alcohol and drugs.” Notice the singularity and the “on” as opposed to “regarding…use.”

  45. >>>What do you not get about that meaning he can have ZERO drinks while on probation and under the reinstatement agreement ?

  46. Why is it people can just abide by the rules. at first it is one little infringement little an innocent drink. then the friends he starts meeting are the same ones that gt him in trouble the first time. But he doesn’t care becasue he knows that most of you only care about how he can play ball. No wonder the rest of the world is running roughshod over us. we have no balls to do what is right. Vick shouldn’t even be out of jail let anlone playing ball again. If Vick were serious about abiding by the rules he wouldn’t have gone to a bar and even given anyone the idea that he might be drinking. Wehn you are in the spotlight like Vick is you can’t give the other side any ammunition. Vick hasn’t changed because of prison. he thinks that now that he is free he can do whatever he wants to gain.

  47. Wow. Already breaking a rule?
    I mean, it wouldn’t bother me if he had a drink 6 months later… but he hasn’t been back a month yet???

  48. for all of u holier than thou a$$holes, who have never done anything wrong in your pitiful lives. go get a life.

  49. You know it`s easy to a bash a guy when he`s down. Going through all the technicalities of his probation and/or his reinstatement whether it`s through the court system or the NFL. But when can we ever truely forgive Vick for what he`s done? We should forgive him. So that we can be forgiven as well. That is what Jesus would do. We continuously condemn people and turn around and want blessings to come us. How hypocrital is that. Wake Up, America!! There are more important issues than Michael Vick. Take of your business and blessing to every individual you meet. You cant lie to the man in the mirror.

  50. The answer to the question originally posed at the top of the post is “No, he hasn’t” for reasons tx eagle made abundantly clear, even producing the court document. Generally, judges will only impose an absolute prohibition to ANY alcohol if the crime was related to substance abuse. It seems to me that the amount of “animal lovers” who have suddenly emerged from the woodwork over the last two weeks, far exceeds any number of people who felt animal rights were important before Vick signed with Philly…Not that I’m saying that most of the Anti-Vick people aren’t sincere, but…..Anyway, Florio, Vick will be playing Thursday; there have been bigger injustices in the world, so maybe someday you’ll let this go…but I wouldn’t bet the farm on it.

  51. Vick is sociopath. ONLY sociopaths torture animals for pleasure. ALL serial killers are sociopaths and ALL serial killers torture animals before moving onto humans.
    While all sociopaths do not become serial killers they share the common traits that they respect no authority, they only mimic feelings (as they have none for anyone other than themselves) and cannot and willnot change. They cannot be cured.
    Keep up the good work and stay on Vick. This guy will make the news for more serious acts in the future.
    Those who support Vick are ignorant uneducated ghetto hoodrats. And yes hoodrats come in all colors. Trash. All of them.

  52. Some of you can be sooooo stupid. It’s amazing how many people HATE Vick lol. I’m not surprised that most (not all) white people are upset that this brother is about to be a millionaire again. He violated because he had a drink?….Are you freaking kidding me lol

  53. when I want to send emails do I reach you at MikeFloriosPersonalAgenda@pft.com?
    You think you wont hear “reports” about Vick “doing things”? Let me see him “doing things” on video.. This topic is perhaps one of the most devisive topics in the NFL in recent history.. and animal rights activists are more rabid than anti abortion protesters.. Im waiting to hear about how Michael Vick raped a alter boy while dog fighting after smoking a bowl.. or maybe he beat his girl with a grey goose bottle? Or maybe he killed two people like Ray lewis?

  54. I wouldn’t be surprised if one of the first things this punk did upon his release was light up a doobie. He’s beyond stupid and the only way he remains free and in the NFL is if everyone in authority chooses to look the other way like Poindexter.

  55. I cannot believe Vick would go near any Bar & Grill let alone have a drink in public. I also believe any reporter who writes or implies anything misleading damaging to a career should be held accountable and punished severely financially. Where are the ethics in journalism these days. On the other hand if it is true, vick is in deep trouble image wise even if he is allowed a drink or two, I don’t think he is that dumb though.

  56. Seriously, who cares anymore? George Bush okayed the torture of human beings. Let’s all banish him to the depths of hell!
    You anti-Vick crybabies need to get over yourselves. The man did his time (time which was given to him by the UNITED STATES COURT SYSTEM).
    … btw, I hit a racoon on my way home last night. I hope you guys don’t start chasing me down with torches and pitch forks.

  57. Vick is sociopath. ONLY sociopaths torture animals for pleasure. ALL serial killers are sociopaths and ALL serial killers torture animals before moving onto humans.
    While all sociopaths do not become serial killers they share the common traits that they respect no authority, they only mimic feelings (as they have none for anyone other than themselves) and cannot and willnot change. They cannot be cured.
    Keep up the good work and stay on Vick. This guy will make the news for more serious acts in the future.
    Those who support Vick are ignorant uneducated ghetto hoodrats. And yes hoodrats come in all colors. Trash. All of them.
    ============================
    Yeah, because he’s killed many people in his lifetime. You’re a dope.
    I fried ants with a magnifying glass as a kid. Am I a psychopath?

  58. First, the language is clear. The court document says that he “shall refrain from excessive use of alcohol”, you know, like getting excessively drunk.
    Second, people are way too polarized over Vick and Favre. Vick served his sentence, paid his debt to society and owes nothing more (not including anything related to bankruptcy). He didn’t cheat at football, didn’t bet on football, didn’t throw games, or anything else morally wrong related to football. He got stupid, hung around with the wrong people, and got in trouble. And, paid for it.
    The man is reinstated and now it’s up to him to prove he belongs in the NFL again. He deserves the chance, just as anyone else deserves the chance. If he proves he’s not good enough, he’ll end up out of the league soon enough.
    By the way, he is a man, 30 years old. Since the court didn’t ban all alcohol, it’s certainly not wrong for the guy to be sitting in a restaurant having a drink. Take a chill pill, really.

  59. Whoever imposes these sanctions on these losers must be from La La Land. They spit at them behind their back. They laugh all the way to the bank. You don’t believe this guy actually is going to follow his sanctions do you? He probably is dining on poodle right now.

  60. “I fried ants with a magnifying glass as a kid.”
    You too?
    I’d also stuff firecrackers into ant hills. Poof!

  61. Vick will wind up bankrupt and in prison. The only thing he regrets is getting caught. Remember when he flipped off the Falcons fans? Vick is and always will be a thug.

  62. This seems like a ridiculous assertion. I would be shocked if Vick was prohibited from consuming alcohol as terms of his reinstatement. I doubt that would even be legal. I do think he could be restricted from drinking too much alcohol.

  63. Maybe so, but having a drink or two with friends after being away for so long doesn’t seem like a big deal. If he gets in trouble, so be it, but a mixed girl drink? Puhhh-leeeeeze.

  64. Well, you COULD actually check the legal document explaining the terms for Vick’s supervised release; which is publicly available:
    7) the defendant shall refrain from excessive use of alcohol and shall not purchase, possess, use, distribute, or administer
    any narcotic or other controlled substance or any paraphernalia related to such substances, except as prescribed by a
    physician;
    http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/ajc/pdf/1211vickjudg.pdf
    Page 3.

  65. I don’t believe a word of it. Dince I am a very severe animal lover I am not a fan of Vick’s. However, Goodell put too man restrictions on Vick. Even if he did have a couple of drinks wht is the big deal. Its like he is back in prison again. Goodell needs to lighten up and get a grip. Vick went to prison because of dogfighting not because he was drinking. Not owning a dog I can see but going out with friends and having fun is another thing. After all he is only 29 years of age and this is the time for him to enjoy his life. I doln’t have any hate for Vick I hate the sin he committed.

  66. I am positive has his share of alcohol at home. He is too strict and needs to curb it. No firearms, owning a dog or drugs I can see. But not being able to drink with a few friends is out of control. Its like putting Vick in prison all over again. Even though I am not a fan of his I believe that Goodell went overboard. Maybe we just need a new commission of football.

  67. Jolly, the blowedone, etc.,
    It’s not surprising at all that even after tx_eagle provided proof that Vick is not prohibited from drinking any alcohol, people are still claiming the prohibition exists … they all think the release document was actually from a judge in Kenya.

  68. The RiverBend Bar and Grill……..Is in the airport Marriott in Philly…Where, obviously Vick is living..It’s where the american airlines pilots go to get hammered before taking to the skies…….If this story is true, and it was after his first practice, he should have been up in his room…..Studying the playbook..Hell, what was i thinking……Doesn’t matter if he is allowed to drink or not, how about a damn committment…..

  69. It’s not a question of “if but when” Vick screws up, IMHO. Would it really surprise anyone? In all honesty would it be a real shocker? I think that Goodell is just giving him enough rope to hang himself (rather than a dog). He gets to save “face” while giving Vick a second chance that he will almost certainly blow. Then Goodell can justify (and rightfully so) saying “goodbye” without having to deal with the “race card”. For Goodell there is no downside. He would be able to say (and with good reason) that everyone deserves a second chance but that Vick blew it.

  70. Believable if it was a 40 oz. Vick drinking a pineapple/vodka mix seems odd.
    Maybe vodka/red bull for a long flight.

  71. INVADIUH………came home empty handed again?…….Damn…….must be some sort of record…..Oh by the way…..Al Davis needs a new rat…….This is the only way to run a dysfunctional organization…….Are you available?

  72. The answer is , Vick is a terrible human being who tortured and brutalized innocent animals – this behavior should not be rewarded. The black communitys support of Vick is sickening.

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