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Dungy calls out Vick for alcohol consumption

Though both the NFL and the Eagles don’t have an issue with quarterback Mike Vick’s decision to chase his first NFL practice in more than two years with Grey Goose and pineapple juice, Vick’s league-appointed adviser and mentor is taking a different approach.

Michael, you can’t do that,” former Colts and Buccaneers coach Tony Dungy said in response to the news that Vick was drinking alcohol.

The news of Dungy’s reaction to the news of Vick’s consumption comes from Peter King’s Monday Morning Quarterback.  It appears in the “Quote of the Week” portion of MMQB, in which King typically highlights words that have appeared elsewhere in the seven days since his last column.

It appears that Dungy passed this specific quote directly along to King, since we’ve been unable to find the words to Vick in any other context.

King explains Dungy’s position as follows:  “Vick can have a drink; that does not violate any terms of his return to
the NFL.  But Dungy’s point was that Vick needs to be a saint as he gets
back on the road to a life in football.  He can’t give the media or the
public any ammunition to suggest he isn’t doing everything he can to
live a clean life and devote himself totally to football.  Unfair?  Yes. 
But until Roger Goodell green-lights Vick back into football, Vick has to be sure he doesn’t give anyone reason to doubt him.”

We disagree with King’s assessment as to the fairness of the issue.  The manner in which Vick handles the little things well shed considerable light on how he plans to handle the big ones.  And even if he’s prohibited only from drinking too much alcohol, the fact that he’d drink any of it (especially in public) at a time when every move he makes is being studied and scrutinized makes us wonder whether he understands the magnitude of the public relations challenge he now faces.

And as to those of you who don’t understand why any limits should be placed on the ability of folks on supervised release to imbibe, the goal here is to keep people who previously have demonstrated horrible judgment from ingesting anything that might cause them to make very bad decisions all over again.

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  1. JMClarkent says: Aug 24, 2009 1:57 PM

    The good Tony giveth, and the good Tony shalt taketh away!

  2. JustMike says: Aug 24, 2009 1:58 PM

    Why not call out Matt Leinert, Ben Rothelsiberger, and Kyle Orton as well?

  3. Bun McSticky says: Aug 24, 2009 1:58 PM

    Sorry, that’s ridiculous. He had a pineapple and vodka….so what? He’s not an alcoholic. He wasn’t suspended for DUI or vehicular homicide. He’s a felon who paid his debt to society.
    Its beyond hypocracy to say Vick can’t have a drink in public if he’s acting normally.

  4. spartyfi says: Aug 24, 2009 2:00 PM

    You’re a total tool. He’s a man over 21 and not breaking any rules set for him by the legal system nor the NFL so how is this really the business of anyone else? Oh, that’s right it’s not.
    Move on and worry about yourself and getting me actual football news!

  5. WeaponX says: Aug 24, 2009 2:01 PM

    Can he drink or not? These rules for Vick are very unwritten. If he is not violating anything by saucing it up after being reinstated, than he should be able to get a little buzz on. Is Vick gonna return the punts in Philly? Seven plus 5 +36+10=Miami in February! Dawk will be there too!

  6. Dr. Michael says: Aug 24, 2009 2:02 PM

    Tony Dungheap to Vick: “dont do that again or there will be a timeout.” What a joke!

  7. Common Sense says: Aug 24, 2009 2:03 PM

    Once a turd…….

  8. patRIOT says: Aug 24, 2009 2:03 PM

    Dungy is such an attention whore.

  9. dawk20db says: Aug 24, 2009 2:05 PM

    He shouldn’t be doing it in public. I’ll agree with that.
    No reason he can’t enjoy a glass or two of wine, vodka, any other girly drink he may prefer. Whatver happened to beer? These people need to stop drinking fruity mixtures and crack open a cold one.
    Seriously though Mike…do it at home for a year or so.

  10. Florio-is-a-tool says: Aug 24, 2009 2:06 PM

    Dungy didn’t get the memo so many other defenders of The Infected One” point out – it’s not against any laws to drink.
    And the next time Vick shows any good judgment Florio should make a note of it – it’ll be the first time.

  11. Occam says: Aug 24, 2009 2:06 PM

    At least he had the good judgement not to be caught drinking Mad Dog 20-20.

  12. DeVoodoo says: Aug 24, 2009 2:06 PM

    Dungy — isn’t there a soup kitchen or something that could really use your help?

  13. Steeler4life says: Aug 24, 2009 2:06 PM

    Ok. Vick killed dogs so now he can’t have a drink. When the vast majority of Americans drink. Would it have been different if he had a beer or a cigarette?
    I could see the uproar for him eating a hamburger. It comes from a cow which is a mammal like a dog. At least that is RELATED to the offense.
    Maybe he should just go back to jail to make all of you hyprocrites happy.

  14. killachap says: Aug 24, 2009 2:08 PM

    Uh-Oh Vick supporters, St. Dungy has ruled in favor of the “anti-Vick” people. Now what?

  15. ssmag13 says: Aug 24, 2009 2:10 PM

    All this is, is another whacked out christian pushing his “extra laws” on everyone else. Just because you’re gullible and irrational doesn’t mean everybody else has to live by your stupid rules Dungy. You think the guy should get another chance after the gruesome things he did to dogs, but you get frustrated with him because he drinks a little alcohol. I don’t know who is worse, Dungy or Tebow.

  16. Citizen Strange says: Aug 24, 2009 2:10 PM

    Do you like Grey Goose and pineapple juice?
    And getting caught fighting dogs?
    If you just got out of prison
    And someone ghostwrites your blogs
    If you like Tony Dungy mentoring
    but won’t listen to a word he’ll say
    I’m the running quarterback you’ve looked for
    Sign me, at big pay

  17. Tomb says: Aug 24, 2009 2:12 PM

    “Uhhhh…Michael, there’s an iceberg dead ahead, I suggest we change course.”
    “Nahhhhh…we good, keep going, and keep pouring.”
    Can’t wait to watch the trainwreck unfold yet again. Some people just don’t get it.

  18. Michael James Keane says: Aug 24, 2009 2:13 PM

    Absolute nonsense. What’s the guy going to do? Have a few drinks and head down to the nearest animal shelter for a quick fix? The man just almost two years in prison. And now, when he gets out, on top of all the apologies and platitudes and assaults on his future from even the most well-meaning dog-lovers, the guy can’t sit and have a few glasses of alcohol? Let him have twenty. It’s not even close to our business.

  19. Absolute says: Aug 24, 2009 2:15 PM

    Well…I don’t think it will matter but still shows a lack of understanding about what it means to be conditionally reinstated under the commissioners terms. He may not play till week 6 now when he was on pace to be reinstated earlier, IMO.

  20. Vick's failed drug test says: Aug 24, 2009 2:16 PM

    The public doesn’t need any more ammunition.
    Vick is a piece of shit who has received benefits that he does not deserve.
    He’s a lucky SOB in the end.
    I’m tired of Vick and I’m tired of Dungy. I lost all respect for him when he laid down to sleep with Vick.
    Hope he has some valtrax.

  21. Rex Grossman says: Aug 24, 2009 2:16 PM

    “Michael, you can’t do that,” former Colts and Buccaneers coach Tony Dungy said in response to the news that Vick was drinking alcohol.
    Laughed out loud.

  22. ryanuop says: Aug 24, 2009 2:16 PM

    If only it had been grapefruit juice instead of pineapple then I could have made a witty and ironic greyhound joke.

  23. FrankfordYellowJackets says: Aug 24, 2009 2:17 PM

    If Vick hasn’t changed he’ll do himself in. No need to act like the class busybody, Florio, jumping on every move he makes. You should hope that he succeeds and something good comes from this – for the good of dogs everywhere.

  24. AmishGangsta says: Aug 24, 2009 2:20 PM

    Good for you, Tony.

  25. cleanface says: Aug 24, 2009 2:21 PM

    I’m surprised after that drink that he didn’t fall into a hysterical rage, grabbing any dogs he could find, setting up a makeshift fighting ring and gambling compulsively on the outcome until the authorities came to break it up.
    Don’t people have better things to worry about that whether Vick wants to have a drink or not. He’s a grown man and that was never the issue with him.

  26. kramer says: Aug 24, 2009 2:24 PM

    is anyone else sick and tired of dungy’s phony christian bs, his self righteous, self important holier than thou attitude?

  27. Patrick Chewing says: Aug 24, 2009 2:26 PM

    i’d rather see florio post verbatim rosenhaus tweets than anything about dungy

  28. HarrisonHits says: Aug 24, 2009 2:27 PM

    “Why not call out Matt Leinert, Ben Rothelsiberger, and Kyle Orton as well?”
    Uh, they didn’t run a dogfighting and gambling ring.
    Vick outside of not being very smart to start with, clearly has not changed one bit. Ban him from the league.

  29. Dewey Axewound says: Aug 24, 2009 2:30 PM

    I’ll take that on ice, with a dog-blood chaser, thanks…
    Talk about the “hair of the dog”!!
    Woohoo.
    And the broken record goes round again:
    Sadistic lying torturing pothead gambling criminal scumbag thug gangster-wannabes who have demonstrated the capacity for PRE-MEDITATED inhumanity and cruelty and torture to living things don’t just magically *change*, no matter how many times Bubba hit ‘em where the good lord split ‘em…
    To perpetrate that kind of sick-as$ cruelty means the problems run DEEP, like an apple rotten from the inside out.
    Polish it all you want, but the insides are rotten.
    I suspected it all along, but the Young Jeezy video confirmed it–I’ll say it again NOW:
    Vick may not go all Jeffrey Dahmer on dogs again, but it’s INEVITABLE–only a matter of time–before his true character reveals itself, and we’ll see the wannabe thug/stupidity/criminality come out again, somehow, someday.
    Just a matter of WHEN, not “if”.
    Wonder if we’ll hear “everyone deserves a third chance” from everyone in the media ad nauseum…

  30. Festivus says: Aug 24, 2009 2:31 PM

    Wow amazing how many clueless idiots cant wait to rush to the defense of the human garbage known as Vick.
    He’s not supposed to drink ‘excessive’. Since what is excessive is open to debate, only a moron would put himself in a position to even have the debate, by drinking in public.
    And only bigger morons rush to defend him.

  31. Misanthrope says: Aug 24, 2009 2:31 PM

    Anyone who’s ever heard Vick speak should know that the guy is severely mentally challenged. Let’s just do our part to keep as many NFL players off the street as possible.

  32. JimmySmith says: Aug 24, 2009 2:33 PM

    We all know that drinking leads to dog killing, its a proven fact.

  33. BleedGreen says: Aug 24, 2009 2:33 PM

    #
    # FrankfordYellowJackets says: August 24, 2009 2:17 PM
    If Vick hasn’t changed he’ll do himself in. No need to act like the class busybody, Florio, jumping on every move he makes. You should hope that he succeeds and something good comes from this – for the good of dogs everywhere.
    This is what I’m saying. Alcohol doesn’t make you make bad decisions. Its an excuse for making them. You don’t do anything drunk that you wouldn’t do sober, you just have an excuse if you get caught or look stupid.

  34. kayC says: Aug 24, 2009 2:34 PM

    “And as to those of you who don’t understand why any limits should be placed on the ability of folks on supervised release to imbibe, the goal here is to keep people who previously have demonstrated horrible judgment from ingesting anything that might cause them to make very bad decisions all over again.”
    Meh. No point explaining, Florio. If people don’t understand why it’s a bad idea for Vick to drink in his situation, no amount of logic will convince them.

  35. killachap says: Aug 24, 2009 2:35 PM

    @ Just Mike:
    What the hell do they have to do with anything? Leinhart, Raplethsberger and Orton? Last time I checked they weren’t required to follow the rules of a re-instatement or any rulings found in a court of law. Again another moron racist trying to bring race into this when obviously you can’t see the logic behind the point here. If Vick wants to have a drink then fine, who gives a crap. But he should be smart enough to do it where no one knows and he can continue to rebuild his image.
    @Steeler4life:
    Hope you had a good weekend sir, but it doesnt look like it took you long to get back into the swing of things. Irrational arguments comparing dogs to cows. I swear, I don’t get how society can fail people on a daily basis like it has with you.

  36. dr_heinz_zarkov says: Aug 24, 2009 2:38 PM

    I don’t give a rat’s as$ whether MV plays in the NFL again, but for those who think its not a big deal to have for someone on probation to have a drink in public, you need to consider this. Its not important what you think–at a minimum he has to make the federal government happy because they literally own his as$ at this point. Until he gets out from under their thumb, he has to toe the line or he’s back in jail. Yes, just for taking a drink. It happens EVERY day. Dude thinks he can have a cold one, his parole officer finds out and he finds himself in the slammer.

  37. jkorn1818 says: Aug 24, 2009 2:39 PM

    dawk20db says:
    August 24, 2009 2:05 PM
    No reason he can’t enjoy a glass or two of wine,
    ___________________________________
    classy ass Mike Vick

  38. MrHumble says: Aug 24, 2009 2:42 PM

    Most of the posters just don’t get it. The issue isn’t the fact that vick had “a drink”……like perhaps you or I would do. Vick is on thin ice…one drink this time, two the next time and so forth…..just like pacman jones. If vick were sincere about having changed his ways, he probably wouldn’t drink at all but certainly wouldn’t do it in PUBLIC. If he doesn’t know the cameras are watching his every move then he is as dumb as I have always thought. IF your boss (Goodell) told you that you were on the thinnest of ice after giving you your job back, would you run out and partake in things that you know you are being watched for?? I doubt it. Vick is no different than Pacman……a trainwreck waiting to happen. Vick doesn’t have the same priveleges and respect that we have……he needs to EARN his privileges back if he wants to keep his job and to be in a bar (even without drinking alcohol) is not where he wants to be.

  39. hrmlss says: Aug 24, 2009 2:47 PM

    Dude’s alot of you are missing the point. Hell, he can drink all he wants, just do it out of the public eye. He is fighting an uphill battle reputation wise. And whether it is legal or allowed is not the point, he needs to think things out before he does them, and how the haters are going to perceive and spin it.

  40. realitypolice says: Aug 24, 2009 2:47 PM

    Listen, no one has been more anti-Vick than me, and even I think this is ridiculous. A person on supervised release must do two things: obey all laws, and obey all restrictions placed upon him by the court upon his release.
    I actually think him having one drink at a bar in the lobby of the hotel he is staying in, instead of driving to a player hang out and having multiple drinks, is a good sign. Showing the ability to moderate your behaivor shouldn’t be held against you.

  41. realitypolice says: Aug 24, 2009 2:49 PM

    Listen, no one has been more anti-Vick than me, and even I think this is ridiculous. A person on supervised release must do two things: obey all laws, and obey all restrictions placed upon him by the court upon his release.
    I actually think him having one drink at a bar in the lobby of the hotel he is staying in, instead of driving to a player hang out and having multiple drinks, is a good sign. Showing the ability to moderate your behaivor shouldn’t be held against you.

  42. Jackal138 says: Aug 24, 2009 2:51 PM

    # killachap says: August 24, 2009 2:08 PM
    Uh-Oh Vick supporters, St. Dungy has ruled in favor of the “anti-Vick” people. Now what?
    ———-
    I guess a simple-minded football fan has to always think about things as “my team versus their team”, but it’s not a nuanced, intelligent viewpoint to have in the real world.
    It’s not so much that Vick is drinking, it’s that he’s FREE to drink and that he’s got more money than you to buy his drinks, isn’t it? Sounds like jealousy, not morality.

  43. VonClausewitz says: Aug 24, 2009 2:54 PM

    It sounds to me like his “punishment” is still ongoing and hasn’t been defined. Is that fair? Has he not done his time? Have the NFL terms of his comeback not been clearly articulated? Or are the constraints he faces so loosely designed that he’s a virtual prisoner to whatever ethical wind seems to be favorable at the moment?
    Let’s call it for what it is. He’s a prisoner of optics. I won’t spend a lot of time on what particular optics are offensive and what aren’t. Why muddy the water? The point is that the truth doesn’t matter as much as how his behavior is perceived. This fact alone should give one pause.
    The real problem is that if he’s a prisoner of optics all he really has to do is make sure he does what he wants to do away from prying eyes. In effect he just has to become a better hider. Better at spinning. Better at manipulating. Better at lying.
    The net effect of a vaguely defined optics prison is that it will encourage all the bad behavior it was meant to stop.
    That is the problem.
    At some point one of you smart Yanks is going to figure out that your entire culture of punishment is simply a psych game that you bought into which utterly and completely fails. It’s a cop out to dealing with reality. So until that tipping point happens please keep on being stupid. Let the effective liars and manipulators off but go after everyone else. It’s a foolproof winning strategy.

  44. eeerockski says: Aug 24, 2009 2:56 PM

    The real question here is, did he have a handgun in the waistband of his sweatpants? But seriously, the guy had ONE drink. If he had gotten wasted and made a fool of himself, or caused problems, then we should give a crap. But if he decided to drink responsibly, and nothing bad came out of it, why should we care? Even people who have learned their lesson can have a drink every now and then.

  45. Occam says: Aug 24, 2009 3:01 PM

    “Vick killed dogs so now he can’t have a drink. Would it have been different if he had a beer….?”
    Errrrrrr……..

  46. SixBurghDude says: Aug 24, 2009 3:02 PM

    JustMike says:
    “Why not call out Matt Leinert, Ben Rothelsiberger, and Kyle Orton as well?”
    _________________________________________________
    Last I checked, neither of the three that you mention, are convicted felons, FOOL…btw who’s Roth-elsi-berger? TOOL!
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    WeaponX says:
    “Seven plus 5 +36+10=Miami in February! Dawk will be there too!”
    ___________________________________________________
    Dude, if that’s an Eagles vs. Broncos Super Bowl prediction, you’re the thread joke!

  47. DallasNiner says: Aug 24, 2009 3:03 PM

    What a joke. I can’t stand Vick and think it’s horrible what he did to those dogs. However, there is nothing wrong or illegal with a man over 21 having a drink.
    Like I said, I personally can’t stand the guy but he did serve the sentence given to him and a team did choose to sign him…so this is all ridiculous

  48. Odenspeaks says: Aug 24, 2009 3:05 PM

    Tony Dungy speaks the truth. Michael Vick needs to keep his image as white as snow. Michael should stay away from anything that could tarnish him image. People may disagree but the problem is Vick needs to discipline himself by staying away from alcohol until his image approves. If he cannot stay away from Alcohol now then it will only be a matter of time before he gets himself into deeper trouble that could end his football career for good. It’s about discipline and Tony knows it. Some people will never learn.

  49. hayward giablommi says: Aug 24, 2009 3:10 PM

    Nice going, St. Tony. What a great judge of character you are. I hope it was worth destroying any credibility you had with the suckers who can’t see you for what you are…a sanctimoneous, hypocritical egomaniac.

  50. iusedtobeteddybayer says: Aug 24, 2009 3:13 PM

    Dewey Axewound says:
    And the broken record goes round again:
    Sadistic lying torturing pothead gambling criminal scumbag thug gangster-wannabes who have demonstrated the capacity for PRE-MEDITATED inhumanity and cruelty and torture to living things don’t just magically *change*, no matter how many times Bubba hit ‘em where the good lord split ‘em…”
    You neglected to mention the “Ron Mexico – herpes” lawsuit.
    Drink, drunk former inmate, this is not a solid citizen. But I still wonder about the 20 minutes or so T. Dungy took off after losing a son. Curious…
    Also curious is “axewound”. That’s not a euphemism for anything, is it?

  51. killachap says: Aug 24, 2009 3:13 PM

    @ Jackal:
    In no way, shape or form am I envious of Michael Vick. Would I love to be a millionaire, not neccesarily. Would I love to have the opportunity to play in the NFL, ummm obviously. That being said….. I would rather be me, someone with moral integrity and appreciation for life and a clean criminal record than be Mike Vick. My brother isn’t a scum bag weilding guns at McDonalds and I know my father. So am I jealous of professional athletes, um yeah. Am I jealous of Mike Vick, I’d rather be homeless.
    And it’s been proven that he is not FREE to drink you moron who is blined by a lack of intelligence and racism. He is bound by conditions of release and re-instatement. The fact that you think he is free to do whatever he wants shows that you sir are as dumb as he is thinking he has the right to do anything.
    Oh crap, almost forgot, I myself went out and enjoyed my freedom to drink (I am not fresh out of jail so I didn’t have any conditions to get my job back) and I had no problem paying the bill. Idiot.

  52. SixBurghDude says: Aug 24, 2009 3:14 PM

    Bleed Green says:
    “You don’t do anything drunk that you wouldn’t do sober”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

  53. CapsLockKey says: Aug 24, 2009 3:15 PM

    The guy just did 2 years in federal “Pound me in the Ass” prison. Who wouldn’t need a drink or two after that?

  54. BRYAN_NELMS says: Aug 24, 2009 3:16 PM

    Sixburgh:
    Are you proud of yourself for pointing out a gramatical mistake? What does that prove? Just that you were studying your high school english books while the rest of us were drinking beer and banging chicks.
    Dude, you need to stop posting on every story, get out of your mom’s basement and find a girl that will talk to you…even if it is one of those fat inbreed cow’s from Southern PA.

  55. CardHock says: Aug 24, 2009 3:16 PM

    Is it just me or does Tony D look just like E.T the Extraterrestrial?

  56. Kidekk says: Aug 24, 2009 3:21 PM

    The funny thing is that, like I have been saying all along, he can’t win or do anything to change the opinion of anyone who doesn’t want to changet their opinion. He has a drink in public, then it’s “if he’s going to drink in public, I know he’s doing much more when he’s not in public.” If he doesn’t drink in public, then it’s “He’s just putting on a PR front and acting like he’s doing nothing wrong, but he probably is.”
    Samething goes for Dungy. People will criticize him for helping advise Mike Vick, then when he advises Mike Vick, people call him an attention whore even though he didn’t come right out and spontaneously tell King what he said. He was probably asked a question and, like always, answered it.
    VonClausenheiser put it best. He’s a prisoner of optics.
    And Jackal138 put it best. People who use that “you’re either with us or against us” logic are dimwitted.
    Much of the hate for Vick playing in the NFL has to do with the amount of money he can potentially make. Some people would rather have him do a construction gig, so it’s nice to know that you would rather buy a house or lease space in a building built by a dog killer, but not watch football if he is included. The next time you spew about Vick not being allowed to play football, think about the people who built your house/apartment or maybe even that rec center where your kids play and wonder how many of them are ex-cons/felons who probably did things worse than Mike Vick.

  57. Steeler4life says: Aug 24, 2009 3:23 PM

    @killapup
    Thank you, hope you had a nice weekend as well!
    You and your buddies are hyprocrites. You say it is ok for him to have a drink at home in private, but it is not ok to drink in public. That is the whole point of hypocracy.
    That is the problem with all of you. You hyprocrites are trying to maintain some false image, but behind close doors, you are all adulterers, thieves, fornicators, sexually immoral, drunks, and pedophiles. That’s why you that have been caught on To Catch a Predator lie and say it was your first time.
    He should be allowed to drink in private and in public as should any man that is FREE in America. He doesn’t need your approval.

  58. Kidekk says: Aug 24, 2009 3:28 PM

    JustMike says:
    August 24, 2009 1:58 PM
    Why not call out Matt Leinert, Ben Rothelsiberger, and Kyle Orton as well?
    ———————
    Another person too caught up in either defending or bashing Vick to think rationally. Last I checked, neither of them went to Federal “pound me in the ass” prison. Last I checked, none of them were suspended and reinstated by the league. Last I checked, none of them are on probation. Last I checked, they’re all white. I see what you’re getting at, but it’s stupid. Real dumb. Think before you type.

  59. GoCARPanthers#28 says: Aug 24, 2009 3:28 PM

    Dungy, you’re mentoring Mike Vick not Koren Robinson or Kerry Collins back in the 90s.
    I can’t believe people want to get mad at Vick for having a couple of drinks. I’m a christian but I dont think it’s sinful to drink as long as you do it wisely and dont drive afterwards. Doing it in public isnt the best thing for Vick but hey it aint like alcohol was his problem.
    People, Vick has spent nearly two years in jail and two months cooped up in Hampton, VA (i’m from Hampton and it isnt a great place to be cooped up in). Allow this guy to have a little bit of fun after he has served his time.

  60. Steeler4life says: Aug 24, 2009 3:30 PM

    @ killapup
    He is FREE to drink. He did not violate any conditions of anything. Jackal did not call you a racist so stop stirring up the racist crap.
    You are FREE to killa yourself.
    Go Steelers!

  61. killachap says: Aug 24, 2009 3:31 PM

    @kidekk:
    “Much of the hate for Vick playing in the NFL has to do with the amount of money he can potentially make.”
    You like your buddy Jackal just don’t get it. None of us care about how much money he makes. In fact most of us have accepted the fact that he is getting his second chance. The point in this story and my point is that he shouldn’t take his second chance for granted. The fact that he has an opportunity to make that much money should be something he is appreciative of. Until you can understand the problem that people have with him, you have no credibilty in your judgement. and while money may be the only thing that motivates you in your life, most of us have other things that are far more important.

  62. Baseball First says: Aug 24, 2009 3:37 PM

    @vonclauswitz
    “At some point one of you smart Yanks is going to figure out that your entire culture of punishment is simply a psych game that you bought into which utterly and completely fails.”
    Yes, you are a genius. It is “Yanks are”, not “Yanks is.” I hope you are not British. Everyone knows their about their ‘humane’ release of a terrorist Libyan bomber last week. Oh, yea, it is the American justice system you criticize.

  63. -jd- says: Aug 24, 2009 3:38 PM

    Ultimately Vick’s goal is to take a proactive approach to end animal abuse not to uncover the hidden dangers of socially drinking at age 29…am I right or am I right?

  64. smilergrogan says: Aug 24, 2009 3:38 PM

    Mike: read your last paragraph and tell me this: the goal here you speak of is the goal of whom? Since its not the Eagles and its not the NFL, it must be yours.
    You disappoint me. I was with you the whole time you were the only one who saw how the vick saga was going to play out. I was telling my friends that this guy was going to do significant time before vick even hired a lawyer. But, damn man. Leave the guy alone. if he chose to have a cocktail after getting beaten up by pro football players for the first time in two years, and it doesn’t violate his deal with the boss or the league, why do you care?
    most of the hypocrites who are criticizing vick about this are drinkers, or have other vices that wouldn’t allow them to meet their own supposed standards, but who feel no shame when calling out someone they don’t know on the internet for the same behaviors.

  65. Baseball First says: Aug 24, 2009 3:43 PM

    @killachap
    I agree with you totally on JackA$$138 and kidekk. They are Eagles fans, so they must defend ti psychopath at all costs. Last week I told the 2 idiots that Philly lost being our capital. They attacked me and out their butts said it was moved to be centrally located. Morons. I am an American history major. Philly blew it from the 1783 mutiny. Here is the truth:
    Following the Pennsylvania Mutiny of 1783, the United States Congress had moved out of Philadelphia, eventually settling in New York City. Besides the Constitutional Convention in May 1787, United States politics was no longer centered in Philadelphia. Philadelphians tried to lobby and petition the Congress to move back to Philadelphia or southeastern Pennsylvania. However, a permanent capital was selected to be along the Potomac River
    The Pennsylvania Mutiny of 1783 (also known as the Philadelphia Mutiny) was an anti-government protest by nearly 400 soldiers of the Continental Army in June 1783. The mutiny, and the refusal of the Executive Council of Pennsylvania to stop it, ultimately resulted in Congress vacating Philadelphia and the creation of a federal district to serve as the national capital.
    Philly, you refused to protect the Congress and paid the price. In your face you 2 dumba$$ imbeciles.

  66. Jackal138 says: Aug 24, 2009 3:44 PM

    Exactly, Kidekk!
    People say “He should working at McDonalds!”
    Because “redemption” involves a lifetime of penance and punishment. These people see “construction” as a bottom of the barrel job where Vick would endure the constant humiliation of having squandered his chance to live the dream of many, including the people so vehemently against him. Maybe some would be happy with him playing for the meaningless UFL, but there is no perceived humiliation in playing for a top-tier NFC team.
    So it makes the people mad. “I’ve lived my whole life morally and I have a crap job/life!” — most of the people ARE better than Vick. He’s a reprehensible human being. But some people have to understand that in life, as business, “fair” isn’t a concept that generally applies.
    But I don’t see them getting pissed at the Wall Street CEOs who are robbing us blind, or the military-industrial CEOs who have been profiting off of American soldiers being sent off to die for unattainable foreign policy goals.
    Because humans are boring, but doggies are cute.

  67. Jackal138 says: Aug 24, 2009 3:46 PM

    # Baseball First says: August 24, 2009 3:37 PM
    @vonclauswitz
    “At some point one of you smart Yanks is going to figure out that your entire culture of punishment is simply a psych game that you bought into which utterly and completely fails.”
    Yes, you are a genius. It is “Yanks are”, not “Yanks is.” I hope you are not British. Everyone knows their about their ‘humane’ release of a terrorist Libyan bomber last week. Oh, yea, it is the American justice system you criticize.
    ————
    Christ, you are an idiot. Go back to school before you attempt to critique anyone on anything.
    “ONE of you smart Yanks” is referring to a SINGULAR person.
    Get a clue, every time you open your mouth you make yourself and your city look that much more ignorant.

  68. Kevin from Philly says: Aug 24, 2009 3:51 PM

    The only crime here is mixing top shelf vodka with anything but ice.

  69. killachap says: Aug 24, 2009 3:53 PM

    @ Steeler
    Yet again you prove your stupidity. I would love to actually be with you in person when you spoke to find out if are as dumb as your typing would indicate. I wasn’t brining up race, it was clear by the post about 3 white men that the goal was to bring race into play. god did you grow up in PA? Remind me never to let my kids go to any type of schooling in your state.

  70. Matt says: Aug 24, 2009 3:54 PM

    At it’s core, you could argue that Dungy is correct. There is nothing wrong with Vick having a drink in certain situations. However, given the circumstances, Vick would be wise not go about living life oblivious to public image, especially given the fact that he’s not even been back in the league for a month. There’s no reason to attract attention when people are staring at you and waiting for you to make a mistake. It’s not an issue of right or wrong; it’s just commonsense. And it might seem like it sucks, but when you put yourself in that situation, you live with it.
    Part of me thinks this would have been better kept between Dungy and Vick, instead of Dungy turning it into a public affair. On the other hand, Dungy, by getting himself involved with Vick, has his hands tied. If he doesn’t go public and say something, he looks like he’s not living up to the responsibilities he’s placed upon himself. That’s his problem.
    Also, on what grounds does one place a comparison between this and anything going on with Leinart, Roethlisberger (nice spelling, word-pro), or Orton? It doesn’t even make sense.

  71. Joe says: Aug 24, 2009 4:01 PM

    Dungy is exactly right. He knew if Vick even thinks about opening up a bottle of white wine, media tools like Florio would take the chance to rip him. Dungy is protecting Vick.
    Michael Vick has to stay low and away from anything that has the potential to damage his reputation.

  72. Loan Shark says: Aug 24, 2009 4:02 PM

    Grey Goose makes Mike Vick get loose… so he can terrorize the teams of all the morons on this thread.

  73. Kidekk says: Aug 24, 2009 4:10 PM

    killachap says:
    August 24, 2009 3:31 PM
    @kidekk:
    “Much of the hate for Vick playing in the NFL has to do with the amount of money he can potentially make.”
    You like your buddy Jackal just don’t get it. None of us care about how much money he makes. In fact most of us have accepted the fact that he is getting his second chance. The point in this story and my point is that he shouldn’t take his second chance for granted. The fact that he has an opportunity to make that much money should be something he is appreciative of. Until you can understand the problem that people have with him, you have no credibilty in your judgement. and while money may be the only thing that motivates you in your life, most of us have other things that are far more important.
    ———————–
    I don’t think you read anything after I wrote that. First of all, I said much of the hate. Second of all, the statement about much of the hate was a general feeling about the hatred for Vick, and had very little to do with his drinking in public. Maybe I should have clarified that so that you wouldn’t have picked one portion of a complete thought to dissect and use to judge the “credibility in my judgment.” But, I guess that’s how you roll.
    And, money is not my sole motivator, but any person who would say that money doesn’t motivate them is either Bill Gates (who it seems is trying to find any avenue to give his money away), or has reverted back to the bartering system. If money wasn’t a motivating factor for people who hold some things more dear to them, like morals, all of those “outraged” Philly fans would not be selling their tickets to get their money back, but would instead let their empty seats speak for them. But, money doesn’t motivate them. At least until after they get their money (and then some) back.
    And, yes, while he should be appreciative that he makes that money, if he doesn’t, will it bother you that much? Furthermore, why would it bother you that much? If he screws up his chance, again, to make millions, would you ultimately really care? The only reason why Vick is getting this coverage is because he was an good/entertaining player (before people knock his passing skills, he’s just as inaccurate as Eli Manning, check up on it). If his name was Rod Smart, he would get a “He hate me released from jail, shows up to UFL tryout” byline with a one or two paragraph summation.
    And you kind of eliminate your whole point about people not caring about money when you, yourself say, “The fact that he has an opportunity to make that much money should be something he is appreciative of.” Because, then, you’re implying that he should not try to get in trouble because it may jeopardize the amount of money he is making. Had you made a reference to him being appreciative of playing in the league or him being appreciative of being back in society, your point would have been more valid. Since you didn’t, it’s not. See, it’s fun to pick out one statement and then try to attack someone’s “credibility in judgment.” Only in my case, it actually worked.

  74. FireStarter says: Aug 24, 2009 4:10 PM

    Christ, get off it already…
    No one cares. You are trying to drum up a story.
    I’m all for bringing the criminal actions of Vick or Stallworth or Tank or Pacman… into the public light, but most people should not have a problem with him having a drink.
    If you report that he’s chugging beer, running down people crossing the street, all while dragging a dog behind his car in a scene like the “Vacation” then you have a problem.
    The guy had a freaking drink and you’ve converted it into nearly 5 or 6 posts. GET OVER IT.

  75. S-Dawg says: Aug 24, 2009 4:12 PM

    My brother is a prosecutor, and he told me that probation doesn’t mean you obey the law, probation means you live so far above the law that no one could question anything you do. So, you don’t hang with shaddy friends, you don’t stay out late in questionable places, and you don’t drink period. As a pastor I can tell you that I know several GREAT people that have drinks on occasion. That’s not the issue. The issue is that this guy should be living the most exemplary life possible.
    And for all the Dungy bashers out there, get this: All he has done is try to help someone out. He put his reputation on the line for Vick. If anyone could tell Vick to do or not do something, it is him. After all, it is his word that helped Goodell give him the conditional reinstatement and it is his word that helped convince Reid and the Eagles to sign Vick.

  76. empty13 says: Aug 24, 2009 4:14 PM

    pineapple and vodka? this guy cant be 21.

  77. Kidekk says: Aug 24, 2009 4:14 PM

    @Baseball First,
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa,
    I’m a an Eagle fan…..HAhahahahahahahaha. That’s the funniest thing I have ever heard in my life. I suppose I also like to strangle and electrocute dogs in my spare time as well, right? After all, if I’m not with you, I’m against you. The fact that I don’t feel the need to linguistically impune Vick at every chance I get does not make me an Eagle fan or a Vick supporter.

  78. Baseball First says: Aug 24, 2009 4:24 PM

    at sickickkk
    Sorry, you just act like one.

  79. Kidekk says: Aug 24, 2009 4:26 PM

    @killachap, oh yeah, and I’m not oblivious to the fact that people hate him because he killed dogs. I always assume that’s a given, so “much of the hate” can be attributed to much of the hate aside from the dog killing hate.

  80. killachap says: Aug 24, 2009 4:26 PM

    @ kidekkk:
    Thank you yet again. He should be appreciative of his opportunity to make any amount of money because he is a felon. If I were to be convicted of any crime, let alone a felony of funding an interstate gambling ring, I would not have any right to my job (and I’m not going to sit here and say what I do because no matter what I say it is going to erupt some sort of backfire) . In fact that they would probably have blacklisted me and given security my photo and to not allow me in the parking lot. So from my point of view he should be appreciative to the fact that he has a job regardless of his pay.
    And yes Eli Manning sucks balls, but unlike Vick he was smart enough and capable enough to lead a team to a superbowl championship.

  81. Kidekk says: Aug 24, 2009 4:29 PM

    @killachap, and I’m not oblivious to the fact that people hate him because he killed dogs. That’s a given, so I overlook the need to bring that up. If it’s simpler, think of it as two pies of hatred: One pie is “hatred for Vick killing/abusing dogs” and the other pie is “all other reasons for hatred of Mike Vick.” I was referring to the latter.

  82. 808BOLTFAN says: Aug 24, 2009 4:49 PM

    All of you on here, dogging on Dungy are a bunch of fools. Tony Dungy has put his reputation on the line to help Vick get his life together. Vick is under the lights and carefully watched. He needs to make smarter decision. Dungy is not saying he can’t drink, he’s saying to not do it in public. You give the media any ammunition and they’ll use it to shred you. Vick shouldn’t even be back in the NFL, and he now has a 2nd chance. He should be more wise with his decisions. Or atleadt wait until the heat cools down.

  83. 10mm says: Aug 24, 2009 4:58 PM

    Just one question please tell me what kind of thug-life dawg would drink that kind of girl drink.

  84. Kidekk says: Aug 24, 2009 4:59 PM

    @killachap, I don’t care what you do, and if you mentioned it, I wouldn’t jump all over like some other people on this site would do. As for Eli being smart and capable enough to lead his team to the Super Bowl, we both know that’s not true. He was lucky enough, like Trent Dilfer, to have a good defense (OUTSTANDING defensive line, deserving of all caps). And, yes, you wouldn’t be allowed back in your job, along with almost everyone else on this board. But, we don’t have rocket arms, run 4.2s, or have the agility of a mongoose. But that’s just life.
    And Florio, now that you have this new-fangled partnership with NBC, you should use some of their tech guys to FIX YOUR LOGIN PROBLEMS.
    @Baseball First,
    You’re funny. At least killachap doesn’t let his hatred for the guy cloud his rationality. You and JustMike should go on a nationwide debating tour. We’ll have one guy who figures that everyone who doesn’t agree with him is against him, and another guy whose reasoning for everything is “because he’s black.” (Obviously it’s a joke as I am passing judgment on the basis of a snapshot of your personalities, albeit, your internet personalities)

  85. afogg0855 says: Aug 24, 2009 5:15 PM

    The Texans are gonna be great if they stay healthy.
    The AFC south is playing the NFC West this year, which is a joke. I can definitely see the Texans overtaking the Titans and Colts this year.

  86. sasegars says: Aug 24, 2009 5:17 PM

    Short memories for most people here — it was just a few weeks ago that Michael Vick sought the mentorship and assistance and public voice of Tony Dungy to make sure that the NFL knew that we was associating with one of the most (if not the most) conservative coaches around. He wanted that alliance, he wanted that voice, he wanted that association. There’s no secret that Tony Dungy is outspoken about his moral code and choices AND (whether it’s yours or mine or anyone else’s really doesn’t matter) — Michael Vick knew this, too. It is not a surprise to Michael Vick that Tony Dungy would say this — and it shouldn’t be to anyone else. And it is absolutely true that Michael Vick has the right to drink anything he wants after practice — whenever, wherever, with whomever — but we all know that it isn’t the better part of good judgment. That’s what landed him in trouble in the first place. Tony Dungy knows it, Michael Vick knows it, and everybody else knows it. It isn’t wrong for him to drink pineapple juice and Grey Goose — it’s just stupid. He asked for Tony Dungy’s accountability and direction and guidance — when it was useful to forward the possibility of him getting back into the league. Now that he’s in — we’ll see.

  87. Drat says: Aug 24, 2009 5:22 PM

    Kudos to all the commenters who understand that this is all about PUBLIC drinking. Vick wakes up one day and is a millionaire again, and what does he do? Rubs it in the faces of everyone who is not happy about that, public and NFL monarchy. Just drink in the homes of your friends, your hotel room with invited hot chicks, your own house, your dog-fighting pen (oops, sorry, not that one.) Why do it in public? Mind bogglingly stupid. At this point, Vick has a simple set of rules to become rich and famous and legal again. No drinking or taking drugs in PUBLIC, no giving herpes you your dearest girlfriends and hiding it behind the name Ron Mexico, no smuggling drugs through airport security in a water bottle that is itself illegal. No illegal gambling, interstate conspiracy. (You can add in dog-killing, but the fact is he was never tried or conviced of that.) Cripes, Michael, get a life. Be smart for the first time ever.

  88. killachap says: Aug 24, 2009 5:24 PM

    I honestly am beginning to think that Florio posts these semi-pointless stories about Vick because he and/or whoever approves the posts love to read the arguments that follow. Well played sir.

  89. texasPHINSfan says: Aug 24, 2009 5:49 PM

    yay! more comments from dungy….. :rolleyes:
    i wish dungy wouldn’t comment about stuff that has nothing to do with him, but i guess we can’t all get what we want eh?
    vick – drink up

  90. famucancer says: Aug 24, 2009 6:24 PM

    killachap you’re just mad because you aren’t special enough to have second chances at your job?? LOL, dont get mad at Vick, be mad at yourself that you failed to have the talent and ability that would afford you the opportunity to get a second, third or an infinite number of chances because you were worth it. Don’t hate Mike Vick cuz people will pay to watch him play football regardless.

  91. grey32 says: Aug 24, 2009 6:26 PM

    I don’t like M Sick even a little. But a drink, 2 drinks who cares. He is a major POS and will screw up big time sooner or later.
    Maybe he’ll get drunk and run into a tree and bash his own head open – we can only hope….

  92. RevJ says: Aug 24, 2009 6:32 PM

    If the man can’t electrocute a Goose, he should at least be able to drink one.

  93. descendency says: Aug 24, 2009 6:35 PM

    I don’t think this is smart for him to be tiptoeing the line so quickly.
    Yes, he can drink. No, he can’t get drunk. I don’t know what the limit is, but the NFL won’t allow (his terms of reinstatement say so) him to be drunk (or to drink an excessive amount).
    I just don’t think this is smart right now. I don’t think there is anything wrong with it later though.

  94. empty13 says: Aug 24, 2009 6:35 PM

    time for dungy (notice i didnt say dunghole) to turn on vick the alky.
    better yet, turn on him for his deviant prison activities.
    c’mon saint!

  95. CTEagle says: Aug 24, 2009 6:40 PM

    I have never been a Michael Vick fan, and wish the Eagles never signed him. With that said, Michael Vick was convicted of a crime, went to prison, was released from prison, and is trying to move on with his life. Those that wish to protest his reinstatement to the NFL….go ahead and voice your opinion, you have the right to do so…. just as Vick has the right to play football again. Should he have gone out and had a drink? Probably not, but since he didn’t use a Chihuahua to stir his drink, maybe the whole drink incident is being blown out of proportion and egged on by Mr. Florio. When the Eagles (and the NFL) found no violation on Vick’s part (apparently , he is allowed to drink), I didn’t see any headlines in PFT by Mr. Florio. The minute that Tony Dungy says “Thou shall not drink”…the headlines pop up. If Dungy had said one drink was no problem, I don’t think it becomes a headline here. Just a little too much anti-Vick sentiment and not enough factual reporting for my liking.

  96. Phenom says: Aug 24, 2009 7:13 PM

    I’m getting kind of tired of Dungy throwing his 2 cents in everywhere. This should be a non-story as Vick is allowed to have a drink (or 2) as long as he doesn’t “excessively” drink. I’m no fan of Vick but Florio, you need to give it a rest already.

  97. SpartaChris says: Aug 24, 2009 7:14 PM

    I think most of you are missing the broader point:
    It’s not that Vick went out and had a drink… It’s that perception is reality and he needs to work harder than most to simply stay out of the news.
    No one cares if he has a drink or not, but if the public perceives his drinking as partying when he’s supposed to be making amends for the nasty deeds he committed, it doesn’t bode well for him.
    His best bet is to avoid any public behavior that could be perceived as remotely negative and keep his name out of the papers unless it’s for something positive. Yes, this includes drinking, even if it’s only one drink. Fair or not, it’s what he simply needs to do for a while.
    And for those saying he’s legal to drink, that’s only true if if alcohol consumption isn’t a violation of his parole.

  98. me21deion says: Aug 24, 2009 7:37 PM

    i am officially done with michael vick and all of this crap!!!!
    everyone knows that grey goose is the world’s best tasteing vodka, and for this dic#bag to contaminate it with pineapple juice or anything other than a few ice cubes, he needs to be punished to the fullest extent!!!
    go cowboys!

  99. Jackal138 says: Aug 25, 2009 12:06 AM

    “His best bet is to avoid any public behavior that could be perceived as remotely negative and keep his name out of the papers unless it’s for something positive.”
    —————-
    Having a quiet drink with friends is “negative” only perhaps in the most sensitive of people. PA is a blue state, but I don’t think your rationale applies.
    Yes, Vick needs to do good things publically. He didn’t drink around reporters during an interview, or stumble around one drunk – a reporter saw him having a drink and decided to make it news. Rumormongers like Florio latched onto it and created a story.
    For all the concern trolls out there, this is on par with a story like “Vick fails to use turn signal while driving! I knew it, this is just another sign that he’s not remorseful and he doesn’t get it rabblerabblerabble”

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