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Locker room whispers still point to Tarvaris

We reported in early July that members of the Vikings hoped that the team would abandon the pursuit of quarterback Brett Favre and give the ball to Tarvaris Jackson.

Moments ago, ESPN’s Adam Schefter said during halftime of the Jets-Ravens game that this sentiment still exists in some corners of the Minnesota locker room.

It’s likely gotten stronger in light of the fact that Jackson pitched a perfect game on Friday night, generating a highest-possible 158.3 passer rating on 15 attempts.

And if the Vikings struggle out of the gates, the internal calls for Jackson will only intensify.

For that reason alone, it might make sense to move Jackson to a new team.

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  1. kcchiefs says: Aug 24, 2009 9:47 PM

    Haha…Schefter.
    Let me guess, more unamed sources?

  2. DoomsDayD75 says: Aug 24, 2009 9:49 PM

    “Please put that awful QB in the game coach!”

  3. The Wishbone says: Aug 24, 2009 9:50 PM

    hahahahahah.
    It gets better every day.

  4. kwpit79 says: Aug 24, 2009 9:51 PM

    Move him to a new team? Can’t Brett Favre handle it? Probably not, but I would hope so.

  5. lebowski says: Aug 24, 2009 9:51 PM

    The train wreck’s comin’……

  6. swervinmervin says: Aug 24, 2009 9:53 PM

    Jackson sucks.
    Sage had a better 1st preseason game than Jackson. How come the locker room wasnt whispering for Sage then?
    It’s a black vs white thing in the locker room. The players want Jackson for that reason. If Jackson wasnt black this would be a non-issue.
    The best QB on that team is Sage. And thats not saying much.

  7. Paul_R. says: Aug 24, 2009 9:54 PM

    “And if the Vikings struggle out of the gates, the internal calls for Jackson will only intensify.
    For that reason alone, it might make sense to move Jackson to a new team.”
    Or, just say “We screwed up” and make Jackson the starter (unless the ultimate goal of coaches is not to win games).

  8. PackFaninPackLand says: Aug 24, 2009 9:55 PM

    I guess Florio doesn’t know that it’s infinitely easier to move the ball against 2nd and 3rd stringers in the NFL, than it is against starters.
    Go figure.

  9. BobbyBob says: Aug 24, 2009 9:57 PM

    Hahahahaha.
    Hahahahaha.
    Divided team before the season even starts.
    Just wait till Brett hops on his private plane after a road loss.
    Loving it.

  10. EMan says: Aug 24, 2009 9:58 PM

    Geeze Florio. As a general rule you don’t bother with something this stupid. Schefter always seems to make things up when he has nothing to say. You can bet that there are no whispers ‘in the locker room’ other than “Lets finally get a ring”. With the best RB in the game, a top 12 QB, strong WR’s and a top 5 Defense they just might. Clearly they are once again the team to beat in the North.

  11. TheDPR says: Aug 24, 2009 9:59 PM

    Signing Favre was maybe the dumbest thing Chilly has ever done. And that’s saying something.

  12. lebowski says: Aug 24, 2009 10:00 PM

    I don’t think all the starters from both teams left after Favre’s two pathetic series were over. Therefore, Jackson did play quite a bit against starters. Go figure.

  13. hayward giablommi says: Aug 24, 2009 10:01 PM

    This would be one of the most intriguing developments in the history of football. Favre coming back just to end up riding the pine.
    Like I said last week, those veterans that put in the time at training camp can’t appreciate this egotistical carpetbagger dropping onto the team conveniently, pushing other guys aside after camp is over.
    This issue is going to divide the locker room and undermine “Chilly” leading to the same crash and burn playoffless season and vacant coaching position come January that the Jesters experienced last year.

  14. Vikes-N-Favre says: Aug 24, 2009 10:01 PM

    TJ will bomb this week.. Anyone remember the game he had against Arizona last year? He had a great game, then bombed in the playoffs. The best pass he made in the playoffs was to Asante Samuel, which of course was wearing Green, not Purple..

  15. bran12399 says: Aug 24, 2009 10:02 PM

    two minutes ago nobody left a post for this so i sign up and wow 8 posts already but going off of what packfanin said, enough of the garbage already, he pitched a perfect game against 2nd and 3rd stringers no less, including the fact they are 2nd and 3rd stringers for the Kansas City Chiefs, thats like playing against a highschool level calaber. its obvious jackson doesnt have what it takes and thats why childress relentlessly persued Brett Favre who will light it up this year
    yours in Christ
    brandon
    God Bless

  16. cheesehead4 says: Aug 24, 2009 10:05 PM

    Florio, on one hand you attack Favre for ‘trying to be GM’ when he was with the Pack. On the other hand, regardingthe Vikings who are spreading discontent with the signing of Favre, you’re ok with them ‘trying to be GM’?

  17. rolltide says: Aug 24, 2009 10:06 PM

    One thing I noticed about T-Jack on Friday is that one he decides to get rid of the ball, it comes out like a missile. It’s a shame that he holds on to it for too long, while “moving in the pocket” right towards incoming defenders. I actually think by the time Brett’s arm falls completely off his body (which is about a year away), Jackson could be the man in Minnesota.
    Unless the new coach wants to bring in his own guy, of course.

  18. Mastro says: Aug 24, 2009 10:07 PM

    The media and irrational fans need to chill out. Tarvaris had 15 good throws against the Kansas City Chiefs in the preseason. Nothing has changed from last year, Tarvaris Jackson still sucks, he cannot lead a team to a winning record, evidence by last year when he laid the biggest egg I’ve ever seen in the post season. Brett Favre had two days of practice, and even though it wasnt fair to the other QBs for him to show up the way he did, doesnt change the fact that he’s the Vikings best chance to win. Got it, bitches! (Florio said it, so it has to be ok)

  19. MrHumble says: Aug 24, 2009 10:09 PM

    Schefter’s sources are probably his douchebag colleagues at espn who wouldn’t recognize a true source if it bit ‘em. If TJoke is starting material then wouldn’t it make sense that he should have a “hay-day” against one of the worst teams in the nfl and on top of that against their 2nd and 3rd stringers. talk about tryin’ to make something outta nothing……..florio, i liked it much better when you did your own thing instead of giving credence to no source reporting. PFT use to be top notch but perhaps you are under pressure to use your popularity (by nbc) to just spread gossip. clean it up please!!!

  20. EdgarSnyder says: Aug 24, 2009 10:11 PM

    anyone with half a brain knows TJ maxes out at a one and done playoff appearance whereas fav-ree can win it all.
    In the history of the NFL you can count the black QBs that didn’t suck on one hand.

  21. theblowedone says: Aug 24, 2009 10:12 PM

    Eman you are an EXTREMELY optimistic person to have such high hopes for a team whose most important player, QB, is about a decade from 50, coming off surgery, and has a rotator than is almost shot and will only get worse until surgery is performed. Who also played crappy last year. I agree Peterson is arguably top1-2 back in the game, but you do NOT have a top 12 QB, you do NOT have “strong wr’s” , and it remains to be seen how good your defense is this season. So not really sure if your optimistic in the Viks, or optimistic of the image you have in your head of what you think the Vikes will be?

  22. GoDolphins says: Aug 24, 2009 10:13 PM

    The Kansas City FIRST string is not good either, and Favre could do nothing in an offense he claims he knows well, which is why he could skip training camp.
    The fact remains, this move will be a DISASTER in Minnesota. Apparently, the Vikings learned nothing from what the Cowboys did in bringing in Terrell Owens.

  23. vikes_guy says: Aug 24, 2009 10:18 PM

    T-joke is just that a JOKE. He looked great last year in the PREseason which means hmmmm……..NOTHING. He sucks always will suck..can throw the ball a mile but can’t read a defence so who cares…..He will be mowing the grass at winterpark in 2 years

  24. lebowski says: Aug 24, 2009 10:20 PM

    I sort of see your point, cheesehead4, but I think the difference is Favre was always trying to get Thompson to bring IN players and/or coaches that he thought would benefit the team, whereas the Vikings players are in the opposite situation, maybe wanting the job to go to players who were already committed to the team all year instead of some guy who thought he could walk in last minute and declare it ‘his’ team. We’ll see.

  25. EMan says: Aug 24, 2009 10:20 PM

    Nobody seems to be talking it but Favre may be TJ’s only hope at fixing the rotten mechanics that hold him from ever being a sound NFL QB. He may also be really helpful to Sage. It is a crack up people are so up in arms about Favre ‘being old’, ‘getting hurt’ and ‘being terrible last year’…anybody bother watch this sport last year? Favre was amazing starting out with 2 total practices before the first Jets game. I have never seen anything like it and I have been playing or watching this game for 35 years. Favre clearly got hurt and became the recluse to cover it up. Maybe it was the coaches, maybe it was even part Brett hiding out but the guy isn’t a bad guy and he is getting this crappy rep from Packer hate and 12 yr old loudmouths who hardly seem to know anything more than finding cutsie ways to call someone gay. The guy wants to PLAY the game. That is cool. He is willing to give it his all. THAT is cool. He is a top 15 QB STILL. Good for Favre. Pure playing man.

  26. JimmySmith says: Aug 24, 2009 10:21 PM

    Signing Brent Favre was the best thing to happen to the other NFC North teams. Brent really knows how to divide a locker room. And the best part is, T Jack Off’s 158 rating came in a pre season game against 2nd stringers so not too many people would put much faith in that, except of course Biqueen fans.
    If you really want to gauge T Jack Off’s performance, go back to the Eagles game where he was a deer in the headlights type QB. He is not even an average Qb but that’s alright, Chilly isn’t an average coach so the two are made for each other.
    With Favre on the Biqueens, the Lions just got a chance to crawl out of the cellar.

  27. PossibleCabbage says: Aug 24, 2009 10:21 PM

    “I guess Florio doesn’t know that it’s infinitely easier to move the ball against 2nd and 3rd stringers in the NFL, than it is against starters.”
    I’m pretty sure that the Chiefs left their starters in longer than the 6 plays that Lord Favre played, and Jackson was the next QB in, and led at least one scoring drive against the starting Chiefs D.

  28. StartTarvaris says: Aug 24, 2009 10:21 PM

    lol @ swervinmervin watching the first pre-season but not the second one. Be informed before you comment, pal.
    Start T-Jack!!!!

  29. sevendollarbologna says: Aug 24, 2009 10:24 PM

    Farve looked like Mark Sanchez out there! The Vikings should do the smart thing and turn the tables on Farve and CUT HIM!

  30. tx_eagle says: Aug 24, 2009 10:24 PM

    thats a very dangerous situation in minny… if brett doesn’t play well there is NO way you can bench him… at least if it was tavaris and sage you have options. it’s all brett.. live or die.. sink or swim.
    ouch.

  31. Hauschild says: Aug 24, 2009 10:26 PM

    Classic!!! Two practices and two series and the haters are pressing the panic button.
    I can’t wait until after the first game against Cleveland and Favre throws 3 TD’s – the hate will turn into chants like “Super Bowl” and “MVP”.

  32. jimicos says: Aug 24, 2009 10:30 PM

    bran12399 says:
    August 24, 2009 10:02 PM
    he pitched a perfect game against 2nd and 3rd stringers no less, including the fact they are 2nd and 3rd stringers for the Kansas City Chiefs, thats like playing against a highschool level calaber.
    —————————
    Isn’t that where Jared Allen came from? I’m just sayin’.

  33. as big as a hat says: Aug 24, 2009 10:30 PM

    Which “new” team will they move Jackson to? And if they could pull that off, what are they going to do once Favre starts drooling down his chin whilst looking for his World’s Fair spoon?

  34. jimicos says: Aug 24, 2009 10:35 PM

    hayward giablommi says:
    August 24, 2009 10:01 PM
    This would be one of the most intriguing developments in the history of football. Favre coming back just to end up riding the pine.
    Like I said last week, those veterans that put in the time at training camp can’t appreciate this egotistical carpetbagger dropping onto the team conveniently, pushing other guys aside after camp is over.
    This issue is going to divide the locker room and undermine “Chilly” leading to the same crash and burn playoffless season and vacant coaching position come January that the Jesters experienced last year.
    ———————–
    Playoffless prediction notwithstanding, this is the best post in this thread. If you think players can be professional and accept the star treatment of one player, please look at the Jets’ locker room last season. When they stop winning games, fingers will be pointed. And if you’ve got a guy playing outside the system, trying to wing the ball into tight spaces and losing games for you… You will no longer accept his star treatment and there will be drama.
    Now if Favre’s (and the Vikings’) play is so good that they don’t have a rough stretch during the season, maybe there will be no drama. But this IS Favre we’re talking about. I have a tendency to believe the drama will find him.

  35. gbditka says: Aug 24, 2009 10:36 PM

    Favre’s arm will be Jell-o by mid October!

  36. jimicos says: Aug 24, 2009 10:38 PM

    EdgarSnyder says:
    August 24, 2009 10:11 PM
    In the history of the NFL you can count the black QBs that didn’t suck on one hand.
    —————————–
    3….2….1….
    BOOM

  37. Wiscdave says: Aug 24, 2009 10:38 PM

    Why do you post this (George Carlin’s word #1)? It excites the Packer trolls and they hijack another posting. More to the point, have 53 adults ever agreed on anything? You chronicle fights among coaches and players on other teams but act like every Viking player is supposed to love Favre or signing him is the biggest mistake since the Herschel Walker trade (and nothing matches that mistake). Here’s a novel idea. Ration your posts to one per hour so that you don’t feel the need to publish filler. This is not ESPN.

  38. PossibleCabbage says: Aug 24, 2009 10:39 PM

    “I guess Florio doesn’t know that it’s infinitely easier to move the ball against 2nd and 3rd stringers in the NFL, than it is against starters.”
    I’m pretty sure that the Chiefs left their starters in longer than the 6 plays that Lord Favre played, and Jackson was the next QB in, and led at least one scoring drive against the starting Chiefs D.

  39. jimicos says: Aug 24, 2009 10:42 PM

    EMan says:
    August 24, 2009 10:20 PM
    Nobody seems to be talking it but Favre may be TJ’s only hope at fixing the rotten mechanics that hold him from ever being a sound NFL QB. He may also be really helpful to Sage.
    —————————-
    When has Favre ever mentored anyone? Name one dude he’s mentored. Not one of the players who held a clipboard during his reign in Green Bay will credit him with their development. They may say they learned a lot by watching him, but they won’t go so far as to say that he helped them.
    So Sage, Booty and Tarvaris might learn something via osmosis, but don’t expect to see Favre going out of his way to tutor them.

  40. jimicos says: Aug 24, 2009 10:45 PM

    Hauschild says:
    August 24, 2009 10:26 PM
    Classic!!! Two practices and two series and the haters are pressing the panic button.
    I can’t wait until after the first game against Cleveland and Favre throws 3 TD’s – the hate will turn into chants like “Super Bowl” and “MVP”.
    —————————-
    Didn’t he throw for 6 TDs once last season? And he finished with 22 TDs and 22 INTs?
    I agree with the hasty evaluations, though. Anyone expecting Favre to go 1-4 for 4 yards every week is fooling themself.

  41. Philtration says: Aug 24, 2009 10:54 PM

    Hauschild says: August 24, 2009 10:26 PM
    Classic!!! Two practices and two series and the haters are pressing the panic button.
    ————————————————–
    No… I would say that it was the Vikings who pushed the panic button by going after and signing the drama queen.
    He is washed up and brings a lot of baggage.

  42. PossibleCabbage says: Aug 24, 2009 10:55 PM

    “In the history of the NFL you can count the black QBs that didn’t suck on one hand.”
    Great ones, there are only about four by my count, but the doesn’t suck list is a little bit longer, unless you have a bunch of extra fingers. I mean, Doug Williams isn’t exactly headed for the hall of fame, but he didn’t exactly suck either.

  43. paige says: Aug 24, 2009 10:56 PM

    Gimme a break Schefter and Florio! Favre has been in the twin cities for 3 days. And did anyone notice TJacks play? running around jumping in the air while throwing the ball and getting LUCKY! Its the same guy and same antics that didn’t work last year and will work against some teams but not the good ones.
    Also you gotta love the lack of awareness on the throw where he was 5 yards past the line of scrimmage, did you miss that one too? I am just saying upon further review TJack would be lucky to be a back up for most teams in this league. And if some retard in the locker room is rooting for TJack after living with his absolutely inept play for the past several years lets trade them as well.

  44. DocBG says: Aug 24, 2009 11:06 PM

    from who exactly are you hearing these whispers from? hell, if the guy (schefter) isnt willing to name his source, what business does he have reporting, much less you (florio) repeating it?
    Aside from the obvious lack of journalistic integrity shown here (don’t worry, its not just sports writers), what in the hell does it prove in regards to favre or jackson?
    Truth is jackson DOES have the tools to become a decent NFL QB, you packer fans looking at one playoff loss are morons. By your logic manning must really suck because he’s had bad games in the playoffs too.
    Not to give him a crutch but don’t forget about the problems with his young childs heart at the start of the season last year. his biggest mistake there was not being open about it with the rest of the team and instead trying to play through it. i doubt very much that many of you packer fans have been with a women, thereby reducing the chances of children of your own, but its got to be tough to go through something like that no matter what your job. towards the end of the year i believe he put up a passer rating along the lines of 104 or so after gus got hurt, so it shows that he can play against quality NFL teams and do so successfully.
    QB is a hard position to get quality at in the NFL, i see no reason for the vikes to let go of ANY of their QB’s Jackson and sage both have what it takes to start, and favre is a sure bet for 1st ballot HOF’er dunno about booty, but if anyone should go, it should be the least capable guy on the team, which is him.
    btw, vikes 11-5 NFC north champs

  45. mnmaverick says: Aug 24, 2009 11:13 PM

    Against 3rd and 4th stringers…
    What a MAN. :::snicker:::
    I don’t think there is any whispering.
    Only in the media.

  46. BlueEyeDevils says: Aug 24, 2009 11:15 PM

    “Possible Garbage”
    This is a new age. Nobody wants to see big, uncordinated, one-dimensional, slow white qbs throwing to fast black guys.
    That last position is gone, get over it :)

  47. ctb says: Aug 24, 2009 11:22 PM

    I would have to say that Tavaris Jackson has shown that he has plenty of physical talent, but I think that he has a mental block that does not allow him to perform under pressure. First pre-season game he is in a battle with Sage and the pressure is on, does not perform well. Second preseason game, he knows he has no shot at starting, has a good game. (Yes the going across the LOS five yards was hideous, but he did make up for it.) The young man needs to see a sports psychologist. I would not give up on him quite yet. Maybe one my year of riding the pine may bring him around.

  48. mnmaverick says: Aug 24, 2009 11:22 PM

    “And if some retard in the locker room is rooting for TJack after living with his absolutely inept play for the past several years lets trade them as well.”
    BINGO!

  49. DC in OC says: Aug 24, 2009 11:29 PM

    TJack couldn’t tie Brett’s shoestrings
    All you Farve Haters need to go back the Packer website and wish TT, McLardy & MurDoufus a nice trip out of the Train Station when Black Monday comes
    The Curse of Favre is Hovering over Lambeau

  50. c.carterhof says: Aug 24, 2009 11:35 PM

    You Packers SUCK! Im tired of your mouths. The Vikings are going to kick your ass this year………TWICE. There I said it. It had to be done.

  51. hayward giablommi says: Aug 24, 2009 11:36 PM

    @ jimcos
    Exactly. Looking at Minny’s schedule, after a very easy start, things will be very difficult after week 5. No way Favre plays all 16 games, no way the team, despite saying all the right things so far, doesn’t get divided, no way they have a better end result than last year, and no way this doesn’t turn into a complete debacle. I just don’t understand why (most) Vikings fans are so naive to think otherwise.
    And what’s Brent’s dome record, anyone?

  52. Sterling says: Aug 24, 2009 11:39 PM

    Jackson has had 2-3 years to establish himself as the Vikes’ QB. He hasn’t been able to do it. Fifteen throws in a preseason game doesn’t outweigh the inconsistent work he’s done up to this point.
    I love how everyone wants to judge Favre so harshly, when today marked just 1 week with the team. Anyone else, everybody would’ve been saying “Hey, he didn’t look too bad for a guy who’s only been with the team for 3 days.” (And actually the TV guys DID say that.) But Favre, he gets held to some magic standard that’s impossible for anyone to meet. The fact is, it takes time to get used to your WRs, and them to get used to you. He has to school these WRs, b/c let’s face it, the Vikes’ WRs aren’t exactly the most talented group of receivers in the league. One of his passes he was trying to lead the WR away from the defender; the kid didn’t even know how to do that himself. But Favre pulled it together last year with the Jets, and at least at Minnesota he isn’t weighed down by that idiot Mangini. (Though he’s got Chilly, which isn’t a lot better.) He should do OK in Minnesota, and I think he’ll do better than Jackson.
    But that doesn’t mean he’ll do better than Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers isn’t better than Favre, given equal talent; but the two teams aren’t equal. Green Bay has excellent WRs and a much better team, IMHO, than the Vikings. And suddenly, with Cutler in Chicago, the NFC North is a competitive division. It’ll be a tough year for the old dude.

  53. ☻☼CBS, FOX, ESPN, NFLN nbc says: Aug 24, 2009 11:47 PM

    If Tavaris really wanted a shot why didn’t he stephis game up two years ago?
    Gus beat him out of a job. Stop feeling sorry for the guy. He isn’t a Professional QB. He is the poor-mans Mike Vick.

  54. EdgarSnyder says: Aug 24, 2009 11:51 PM

    PossibleCabbage says:
    August 24, 2009 10:55 PM
    “In the history of the NFL you can count the black QBs that didn’t suck on one hand.”
    Great ones, there are only about four by my count, but the doesn’t suck list is a little bit longer, unless you have a bunch of extra fingers. I mean, Doug Williams isn’t exactly headed for the hall of fame, but he didn’t exactly suck either.
    Yes, maybe I overstated this observation and your wording might be more accurate but still 4 great ones and maybe another half dozen that were OK, but the reality is it doesn’t work.
    top 5 ….
    moon
    cunningham
    mcnair
    mcnabb
    who’s next? probably doug williams, maybe aarone brooks?

  55. Kevin_B says: Aug 24, 2009 11:53 PM

    I’ve said it before, but last year’s Madden curse needs to be put in the Hall of Fame for best ever. Even if Polamalu gets impaled on Fitzgerald’s compound fracture the complete tarnishing and destroyed image of one of the games most loved players will still be more potent. It is amazing what he has done to his legacy in the last 2 years. John Madden is probably having wet dreams about Aaron Rodgers now.
    As to to the poster who said, “Tarvaris Jackson still sucks, he cannot lead a team to a winning record, evidence by last year when he laid the biggest egg I’ve ever seen in the post season.” You must have missed the Panthers and Cardinals game.

  56. whatthehellisgoingonoutthere says: Aug 25, 2009 12:01 AM

    Boom Boom Boom, now…. Boom Boom Pow! Let the trainwreck begin!

  57. Drat says: Aug 25, 2009 12:02 AM

    swervin mervin,
    You have no idea why the locker room likes Jackson. You made up a racial reason. Why? Is this something you see in locker rooms across the NFL? No. You made it up. You have an issue. So get lost.

  58. jimicos says: Aug 25, 2009 12:18 AM

    DC in OC says:
    August 24, 2009 11:29 PM
    The Curse of Favre is Hovering over Lambeau
    —————————-
    You’re stuck in 2008. Turn the page. He’s your drama queen now.

  59. luigiboy says: Aug 25, 2009 12:23 AM

    Was this a discussion between the waterboy and the towelboy?
    Whoever was talking in clipped and hushed tone it matters not. Players don’t run teams. They get with the program or find themselves thumbing a ride outta Minneapolis.
    Get a direct quote or leave it alone already.

  60. mnmaverick says: Aug 25, 2009 12:31 AM

    Green Bay has better receivers, but the Vikings have a far better team.
    They’ve added Sage Rosenfels, Percy Harvin, Brett Favre, solidified their special teams and over-all depth, etc. Farwell their Special Teams ace is back as is E.J. Henderson. They have excellent depth in the secondary and at linebacker.
    One of the best QBs in the history of the game handing off to the best back in the league, supported by one of the best offensive lines in the league, with a defense with one of the best defensive lines in the league, and rock solid linebacking and secondary support. Is any back-up runningback better than Chester Taylor?

  61. jimicos says: Aug 25, 2009 12:33 AM

    Sterling says:
    August 24, 2009 11:39 PM
    But that doesn’t mean he’ll do better than Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers isn’t better than Favre, given equal talent; but the two teams aren’t equal. Green Bay has excellent WRs and a much better team, IMHO, than the Vikings. And suddenly, with Cutler in Chicago, the NFC North is a competitive division. It’ll be a tough year for the old dude.
    —————————
    I agree with much of your post, but this part is just funny. Rodgers is flat-out better than Favre right now. Is he better than ’96 Favre? Probably not. But he’s much better than ’09 Favre.
    ’07 Favre – 66.5% completion percentage, 4155 yards, 28 TDs, 15 INTs, 95.7 QB rating. And some talk of NFL MVP.
    ’08 Rodgers – 63.6% completion percentage, 4038 yards, 28 TDs, 13 INTs, 93.8 QB rating. Not a breath of NFL MVP talk.
    Those numbers were produced with nearly identical rosters. Except Ryan Grant had a nagging injury last year. But that kind of makes up for the crappy run game in the first half of ’07, before Grant showed up.
    Rodgers produced those numbers while attempting to shoulder the load left by a crummy defense. So you might ask yourself how Favre would’ve done while attempting to cover for a crappy defense. Luckily enough, we have that data.
    2008: Rodgers led the team to a 6-10 record while the defense allowed 380 points. The Rodgers-led offense scored 419 points, 5th in the league. Again, 28 TDs, 13 INTs and a 93.8 QB rating.
    2005: Favre led the team to a 4-12 record while the defense allowed 344 points. The Favre-led offense scored 298 points, good for 22nd in the league. 20 TDs, 29 INTs and a 70.9 QB rating. By far the worst statistical season in his career.
    There you have it. Compare 2007 Rodgers to 2008 Favre to see how each did with nearly identical offensive players, or compare 2005 Favre to 2008 Rodgers to see how each did while attempting to compensate for a deficient defense.
    We’ll keep Rodgers, thanks. You can have Favre.

  62. jimicos says: Aug 25, 2009 12:34 AM

    c.carterhof says:
    August 24, 2009 11:35 PM
    You Packers SUCK! Im tired of your mouths. The Vikings are going to kick your ass this year………TWICE. There I said it. It had to be done.
    —————————-
    Then why don’t you go back to the Strib website and have another helping of Kool-Aid?

  63. Hauschild says: Aug 25, 2009 12:40 AM

    This Favre hate is wild! Here’s a guy who with the Jets learned a new offense in three weeks and led the Jets to a 9-7 record – quite a turnaround from the 2007 Jets. And, who would have the sheer stupidity to claim Favre won’t finish the season when he hasn’t missed a game in nearly two decades???
    Good Lord, it’s no wonder this country is in a free fall.

  64. Koition says: Aug 25, 2009 1:03 AM

    I love when people expect the reporter to “name thier sources”… You name your sources in that business, and you don’t have anymore sources… period.
    For those of you who are ripping Jackson for his “one and out” playoff performance obviously have no clue about Brett’s recent decade of playoff debacles. Guess what… he’s not getting any younger… but good luck with that!

  65. LBPACKFAN says: Aug 25, 2009 1:05 AM

    All the pressure is on the Vikes. Super Bowl or bust. You got Lord Pharv, now you’re picked to go all the way. Sad, but every incompletion…every sack is gonna have a LOT of people ewwwing and awwwwing. The train wreck is coming…I love it.

  66. Percy the Purple says: Aug 25, 2009 1:07 AM

    Adam S. has been trying to push for more prime time air time to the nth degree of desperation. The only person who has publicly said they want T-Jack instead of #4 is Ray Edwards, the defensive end who was drafted with TJ.. a good friend and supporter of TJ.. this support being very typical for “fox hole” type buddies.
    Whispers… spit it out Adam S. I hear whispers that you make things up to get on the air.

  67. Tabemaju says: Aug 25, 2009 1:10 AM

    I think Favre will do well in the system, better than he did with the Jets, but I’m also not holding him to an unrealistic standard. My only expectation of Favre is that he does better than Jackson and Sage. Sage is still learning the playbook, and as said above, Jackson has mental issues–people want Jackson to succeed because he’s a good kid and he’s physically gifted, and unfortunately, at QB, you need more than physical talent.
    I was one of those people who were always wanting Jackson to succeed, and after seeing the last preseason game, I’m convinced that Jackson cannot be more than a backup. He put up good numbers, sure, but he was incredibly sloppy–he was shifty in the pocket, his reads were always late, and nearly all of his throws were given to him. Favre proved more to me in a 1-4 effort than Jackson did with a 158 passer rating.
    I disagree with the Sterling’s assessment that Green Bay has a better team. You could argue either way, and while I do give Green Bay a nod for their receiving corps, I also realize that the MN receiving corps has never had a decent QB throwing to them. Not to say that they could out-shine GB, but they certainly aren’t as lousy as they’re cast to be. But lets face it, Minnesota has arguably one of the best o-lines in football, and definitely the best RB. Defensively, again, you can’t say that GB, running a new defense, is “better” than MN, because they’re essentially untested.
    If Green Bay actually had a better team, they would have bested Minnesota in every game last year. They didn’t, and the only difference was a QB change in MN. Favre is a reliably better QB than Gus Frerotte. If Gus was the deciding factor behind MN’s win last year, I could argue that they’re a better team than GB this year, can I not?
    Either way, it’s about time that the NFC North starts heating up a little. There are a lot of weapons in the division now. Whether or not what team is better isn’t going to make a difference, because either way, it’s going to be a fun season.

  68. Percy the Purple says: Aug 25, 2009 1:10 AM

    Good game T-Jack, you have now joined Trent Dilfer on the all time list of quarterbacks who think they are really really incredibly good playing. Maybe you should learn how to read good from Farv-ra.

  69. Bob Nelson says: Aug 25, 2009 2:27 AM

    So who other than possibly the Winnipeg Blue Bombers could possibly be interested?
    There is no market.
    Third string QB jobs go to young guys with potential to develop.
    Jackson is an injury prone guy who in 4 years has never improved from when he was a rookie.
    Time to pack the van and get a back up job Nort of da borda.

  70. mnmaverick says: Aug 25, 2009 2:29 AM

    What’s Brett’s Dome Record In A Friendly Environment where he is Quarterbacking the Home Team?
    We don’t know that yet, do we?
    I’ll give him the benefit of a doubt on that one.

  71. mustbechris says: Aug 25, 2009 3:31 AM

    this is the greatest article ever.

  72. HawgNSonsTV says: Aug 25, 2009 5:47 AM

    Florio…….WAKE UP…DON’T EVER TALK ABOUT… Lord Favre …this way AGAIN!

  73. Rossum20 says: Aug 25, 2009 7:04 AM

    Vikings fans are hilarious because they never know anything about their opponents…they just know how good they look on paper.
    Yes, Favre 13 years ago handing off to Peterson would be an amazing combination…trouble is, Favre is washed up. Starting from the NFCC game in 07 through his LEAGUE LEADING interceptions last season (and a massive fallout in NY)…now your management is so desperate you allow the biggest prima donna in sports history to come in an ruin it! It awesome really…and when they Vikings tank and its the Bears and Packers battling for the division lead, only then will you realize how much hot air is coming from Minny land.
    Darren Sharper, Ryan Longwell, William Henderson, Brett Favre…hell, you even tried to steal Kampman from us but we keep our good players and let you have our rejects. Sharper is and was one of the most overrated safetys of all time…Longwell is a very good kicker but you ridiculously overpaid for him (something Minny loves to do) and we replaced him with Mason Crosby…one of the best up and coming kickers in the NFL.
    The Vikings (paper champs) will be silent by week 12…wait and see.
    No one is giving the Packers any credit…but again, you’ll see by week 12 who the dominate forces in the NFC are…Vikings will NOT be on that list.

  74. jusford says: Aug 25, 2009 7:29 AM

    Minnesota’s O-line is the wildcard. Starting two rookies this year, they haven’t shown in the pre-season that they can protect the QB. Favre won’t last the full season.

  75. Gr33nB@yF@n says: Aug 25, 2009 7:54 AM

    For the Vikes….all the pieces are in place……er…wait, have they corrected the 1-2 boneheaded coaching decisions per game yet.
    Here’s the prediction:
    In Oct, Vikes will be behind by 3 points heading into the fourth quarter. Chilly will pull both AP and Lord Favre in order to give other guys time. Packers win by 35.
    It could happen!!!

  76. Fan_Of_ Four says: Aug 25, 2009 8:07 AM

    Brett may retire before the season starts.

  77. Vikes Fan in CT says: Aug 25, 2009 8:31 AM

    Let’s grow up people. Everyone’s entitled o their opinion but using childish names like “T-Joke”, “T Jack Off'” and saying nothing more than “This guy sucks”…imediately discounts any creibility your opinion may have. Of course, I realize that some poeple post things just to stir things up. In that case, find something better to do.

  78. hayward giablommi says: Aug 25, 2009 8:46 AM

    Hauschild says:
    “This Favre hate is wild! Here’s a guy who with the Jets learned a new offense in three weeks and led the Jets to a 9-7 record – quite a turnaround from the 2007 Jets. ”
    >>>>>After an 8-3 start, the Jesters finished 1-4, quite a turnaround indeed. The one win was a Christmas present from JP Losman and Dick Jauron.
    “And, who would have the sheer stupidity to claim Favre won’t finish the season when he hasn’t missed a game in nearly two decades???”
    >>>>>A coach with any backbone would have benched Brent last season. He will not play 16 games this year, mark my words.

  79. bustabloodvessel says: Aug 25, 2009 9:06 AM

    holy crap! I didn’t even get halfway through the posts, and saw three “he is black” posts. Are these people from the backwoods of Georgia? You do know that it’s just a skin color, right? freakin’ racist people. That being said, I have said since I first saw Jackson play he gives the Vikes a great chance to win. Better than most give him credit for anyway. The big problem is he is over coached. Whether or not he was playing against 2nd and 3rd string guys, he was also playing WITH 2nd and 3rd string guys. Just watch the kid play. Yeah he holds the ball a little long, but that only hurt him once, and it comes with experience. If he goes to another team, he WILL rip it up, and all of us Vikes fans will say “if only we didn’t give him up for the most overrated QB in history”!!

  80. Manbearpig says: Aug 25, 2009 9:13 AM

    You guys are good at interviewing “sources” “locker room whispers” and “corners of locker rooms,” all of whom seem to say much more controversial things than actual players. Not even gonna get started on that.
    I highly doubt there is any truth to this post, but anyone dumb enough to be fooled by T-Jack’s preseason antics once again obviously needs to be cut immediately. He is keen to play great in preseason/training camp/practice then look like a poor man’s Ryan Leaf when it counts.
    Even if Favre isn’t the answer, I know Jackson isn’t.

  81. JuicyMelon says: Aug 25, 2009 9:21 AM

    I supported, and still continue to support T-Jax to this day. But it is very obvious that the coaching staff didn’t see enough from T-Jax, Sage, and JD Booty to trust them at the QB position.
    From here on out, as long as Favre is healthy T-Jax and Sage have to wait it out. They did have a chance to prove that they could do it, but both failed in one way or another…That’s on them.
    I like Sage for this team better than I like T-Jax. Go to Carolina Tarvaris.

  82. AtTheMurph says: Aug 25, 2009 9:38 AM

    Wait a second…..the Vikings have one of the best offensive lines in the league?? Am I supposed to sit idly by while one of the greatest fallacies in the NFL is perpetrated upon the derelict readers of this blog??
    Sullivan, Herrera and Loadholt are 3/5th of this great unit?? The team that is supposed to have the best running backs in the league doesn’t lead the league in rushing or average or rushing tds or anything else?
    The Vikings having a great OL is another urban myth. They have a great RB and a very good back up RB and an average line who can’t pass protect worth a crap. The Drama Queen is going to find that out as the season goes on.
    Packers fans everywhere know what happens to the future HOF Qb when he gets consistent knocked on his ass a few times. He starts to revert to the guy who just guesses where to throw the ball and then covers his ass by saying things like “That’s just the way I play the game.” “I’m not going to change” or “”I’d write over and over that I will not throw into coverage”
    but when the heat comes he always does the same thing – he throws right into coverage.
    He can certainly make some plays and he will in MN and vikings fans will be ecstatic, I will guarantee that. What they also will get, and I will guarantee this as well, is the despair as the season gets late with yet another stupid decision and weak throw into coverage. When he throws those, you can almost feel the thought process in his head as the arm stops firing the ball and he weakly lobs one where he knows he shouldn’t.
    The arm knows before the head can stop it. Just watch that last pass as a Packer as favre just stops really firing the pass. His head has to be telling his arm and feet that what he is doing is wrong but the balls floats out of his hand anyways.
    Thank God Thompson and McCarthy demoted Favre and made Rodgers the starter. The Packers are better for it and now the vikings are going to be worse.
    MN is guaranteed to continue on with their Championshipless streak and enter 2010 as the only franchise in NFL history to go 0-49 since it’s inception and I’m bettign they make it to half a century!

  83. Ron_Mexico says: Aug 25, 2009 9:57 AM

    Adam Schefter has lost all credibility. Adam, TMZ called they want a sports guy that has no contacts, no sources and looks like a dwarf in a suit. Anyone who has watched the Vikings over the past 3 years has suffered through some of the worst quarterbacking in the league. Name a top 10 Division I college team that T-Jack would start for, probably isn’t one!? He’s got a gun for an arm, but he clearly can’t read the back of a cereal box not to mention defenses. He thinks “cover two” means close both eyes and throw it anywhere. Adam, why don’t you become his agent and stake your livelyhood on his career you idiot-quit making up S#%&. Report the news son, don’t try to create.

  84. empty13 says: Aug 25, 2009 10:09 AM

    aaron brooks is a joke. he once told some young qb that the young guy would have to do a lot to achieve the “greatness” aaron had achieved.
    greatness? meet “erring” brooks.
    ///////////////
    favre made the jets install plays he liked last year. he didnt just go in and learn a new system. they couldnt hold him to THAT.
    /////////////////
    i wouldnt doubt that there is a groundswell in the locker room that wants the idjit t-jack (3-4 in 2008) to start. chilly probly has told him he is the guy several times. then chilly gets favre. management jammed a more successful gus (7-3 in 2008) down their throats. sure favre doesnt have as much practice time with the wideouts. but a major chunk of that locker room probly wont have to see much before they go public with their desires.
    /////////////////
    if it isnt a black thing then why all the black man-love for t-jack, who hasnt ever shown jack?

  85. Wrathchild says: Aug 25, 2009 10:25 AM

    Move Jackson to a new team? Don’t you think that’s a little short sighted considering Lord Favre will only play one season with the Vikings? What do they do next year then?

  86. pkrlvr says: Aug 25, 2009 10:53 AM

    Love all the Favre anger here. The man hasn’t missed a game in 18 years and you douches don’t think he’ll make it through the season. In 2007 he was runner up for his 4th MVP and would’ve gotten it, if not for Tom Brady. In 2008 he took a 4-12 Jets team to 9-7, put up 6 scores on the NFC champs, beat the unbeaten Titans and also knocked off the Pats to claim the division lead. Everyone forgets this because he screwed up his arm and went down hill from there. Now he’s got a much better team around him and you all think T. Jack is a better prospect? LOL. Football morons.
    Regarding the locker room, anyone who doesn’t think that black players want to play for a black coach and a black qb simply don’t know many black people. I was born and raised in Green Bay and never met a black person. I moved down south 17 years ago and have seen more racism and reverse racism than I ever thought existed. I can tell you from experience that black folks prefer the company of other black folks, plain and simple. If you don’t think the black players on the Vikes are rooting for T. Jack, you’re a dope.

  87. pkrlvr says: Aug 25, 2009 10:54 AM

    Actually, Favre signed a 2 year contract and I expect he’ll play both years barring an injury.

  88. jimicos says: Aug 25, 2009 11:17 AM

    Wrathchild says:
    August 25, 2009 10:25 AM
    Move Jackson to a new team? Don’t you think that’s a little short sighted considering Lord Favre will only play one season with the Vikings? What do they do next year then?
    —————————-
    Enter Hank Williams… Are you ready for some Jeff George?

  89. jimicos says: Aug 25, 2009 11:20 AM

    pkrlvr says:
    August 25, 2009 10:54 AM
    Actually, Favre signed a 2 year contract and I expect he’ll play both years barring an injury.
    —————————-
    Pure comedy gold. Who do you think will be coaching the team next year? As for your man-love of all things Brett, please reference my earlier response to Hauschild. If you’re saying Favre deserved the MVP in 2007, you should also be saying Rodgers deserved it in 2008.
    I don’t believe either one deserved it.

  90. goober says: Aug 25, 2009 11:26 AM

    No such thing as reverse-racism. Racism is racism, plain and simple.

  91. footballrulz says: Aug 25, 2009 11:28 AM

    Eman–good point about Favre being able to help Jackson with his mechanics. Obviously his coach can;t do it.
    August 24, also good point. Unless Favre gets injured they are stuck with him–good or bad. Chilly certainly won;t have the ‘nads to bench him.
    Viking’s have a relatively easy first three games but man if they start losing I’d be watchin for that O-Line to start missing some blocks and let Favre get pounded. However, from what I saw the other night they might not have to actually miss too many–appeared to me that Kansas City’s D Line pretty much dominated them. 7 plays & ol Farvy boys in the dirt twice and rushed on about every play. I will have to give him that one pass though. His receiver should have cut away frorm the defender-not back too him. Looked like ther might have been quite a few YAC’s had he caught that one

  92. bustabloodvessel says: Aug 25, 2009 11:37 AM

    Regarding the locker room, anyone who doesn’t think that black players want to play for a black coach and a black qb simply don’t know many black people. I was born and raised in Green Bay and never met a black person. I moved down south 17 years ago and have seen more racism and reverse racism than I ever thought existed. I can tell you from experience that black folks prefer the company of other black folks, plain and simple. If you don’t think the black players on the Vikes are rooting for T. Jack, you’re a dope
    WOW!!!!! I have lived in North Carolina for most of my life, and in the south just about all of it. I have NEVER heard someone say something so blatantly racist outside of watching the discovery channel about the kkk or ayrian nation. Forget about black and white. These guys want to win. If you think they want a black guy who can’t perform over a white guy that can, you are an idiot.

  93. hrmlss says: Aug 25, 2009 11:44 AM

    Fast Forward to Week 2 on Tuesday. Brett had thrown 3 interceptions on week 1 and has been benched in favor of Tavaris. Que the crocodile tear Press Conference. “Due to my sore shoulder/biceps I am force to retire. I would like to thank the Vikings for paying me $12 million for the last 4 weeks. I hope they enjoyed the little bump in jersey and ticket sales. Shout out to my boy AL in Oakland, I’m available for kids parties, or to Start as Your QB next year.” Fade to black….

  94. footballrulz says: Aug 25, 2009 11:47 AM

    mnmaverick says:
    August 25, 2009 12:31 AM
    Green Bay has better receivers, but the Vikings have a far better team.
    They’ve added Sage Rosenfels, Percy Harvin, Brett Favre, solidified their special teams and over-all depth, etc. Farwell their Special Teams ace is back as is E.J. Henderson. They have excellent depth in the secondary and at linebacker.
    One of the best QBs in the history of the game handing off to the best back in the league, supported by one of the best offensive lines in the league, with a defense with one of the best defensive lines in the league, and rock solid linebacking and secondary support. Is any back-up runningback better than Chester Taylor?
    _______________________________
    Not so sure about that O-Line but the biggest problem is–you still have CHilly as a coach….

  95. bustabloodvessel says: Aug 25, 2009 11:56 AM

    OK. So i think my last post got booted out. Lets see if I can fix it with this one. PLEASE SHUT UP ABOUT THE BLACK AND WHITE THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is 2009. That shouldn’t be an issue now. These guys want to win. If you think just because they are black they would rather have a black qb that cannot perform over a white qb that can, you are an idiot. Favre has a cannon, does well for the most part in the regular season, but is older than dirt. Jackson is inexperienced, but could win if he was coached properly.

  96. jrmbadger says: Aug 25, 2009 12:15 PM

    Boy there sure are a lot of delusional Vikings fans…. EMan cracks me up…. seriously? top 12 qb, decent wrs?
    Hahahaha…..
    Well let me give you some enlightening stats on Mr. Favre. Perhaps we can dispel the FDS going on here (Favre Delusional Syndrome – a mental disease where one thinks nothing is Favre’s fault and he is great).
    2008: 22 TDs and 22 Picks, QB rating: 81
    2007: 28 TDs and 15 Picks, QB rating: 95.7
    2006: 18 TDs and 18 picks, QB rating: 72.7
    2005: 20 TDs and 29 picks, Qb rating: 70.9
    4 year Average = 22 TD, 21 Picks, Avg Qb Rating: 80.075.
    Looking at last years stats for example show that this kind of performance (i.e. Favre’s average for the past 4 years) puts him right around #20 or #21. So yes, you have a top 20 qb (out of 32 teams). Congratulations, you’ve signed a very mediocre quarterback to a huge deal and let him come in and destroy your coaches credibility and your team chemistry. Brilliant!
    It’s pretty clear that Favre has been coasting on his past accomplishments for years.
    Note that prior to 2005, Favre was generally in the high 80’s to 90’s of his qb rating and pretty consistently had more TD’s than INTs.
    So it seems that his play has diminished notably starting in the ’05 season. Note also that I was generous and counted what is likely a fluke year in 2007. 2007 happened because Packers coach McCarthy demanded accountability from Favre for his interceptions. I doubt the enabler Childress will have the same intestinal fortitude.
    And don’t even get me started on your pathetic receiving core. Both of Green Bay’s backups (James Jones and Jordy Nelson) could instantly start ahead of Berrian and that other ex-Bear you have.

  97. BlueEyeDevils says: Aug 25, 2009 12:43 PM

    How many superbowls has Brett Led his team to this “DECADE” – Zero!
    Give it up “BlueEye people” America wants athletic qbs:
    Mike Vick
    Tavaris Jackson
    Donovan McNabb
    Gerrard
    etc…..etc…..etc………
    Sorry guys, just like the NBA America want’s a LeBron dunk, not a weak 3-pointer and the same with White qbs heaving a football, hoping an athletic black player will bail them out.
    That old era is OVER!
    GET OVER IT DUDES :)

  98. BlueEyeDevils says: Aug 25, 2009 12:43 PM

    How many superbowls has Brett Led his team to this “DECADE” – Zero!
    Give it up “BlueEye people” America wants athletic qbs:
    Mike Vick
    Tavaris Jackson
    Donovan McNabb
    Gerrard
    etc…..etc…..etc………
    Sorry guys, just like the NBA America want’s a LeBron dunk, not a weak 3-pointer and the same with White qbs heaving a football, hoping an athletic black player will bail them out.
    That old era is OVER!
    GET OVER IT DUDES :)

  99. jimicos says: Aug 25, 2009 1:39 PM

    BlueEyeDevils, you are either using sarcasm to the fullest extent allowed by law, or you are the dumbest human being with internet access.
    I’m still trying to figure out which.

  100. RagnartheViking says: Aug 25, 2009 2:15 PM

    Only a top 20 QB huh?
    Big Ben’s stats last year:
    17 TDS 15 INTS 59.9 Comp. % 3301 yards.
    Hardly the stuff of legends, right?
    Yet they had a solid run game and a solid D.
    Minnesota has 1 of the best RBs and One ot the best RB tandems in the NFL.
    They also had a top 6 D last year. This is minus a starting saftey for 1/2 the year and the starting MLB for 12 games.
    As for the fool that said Jones and Nelson could start over Berrian. You sir are an idiot.
    951 yards @ 20.1 ypc, with backups throwing to him? and the “other Bear”? He’ll be lucky to make the roster this year.
    Rice and Harvin will be ahead of him.
    Remember Favre is awesome at the slant. What do you think Harvin is going to be running all the time?
    Chirp all you want. Minnesota does have talent, you Packer fans are famous for not giving anyone any credit.
    Coming off a 6-10 season and running your mouths like fools. It’s never the Pack isn’t any good, there is a myriad of excuses for bad records…ALWAYS!
    What you ” bitches” don’t understand is we don’t need Favre the MVP, and he knows that.
    We need competency and someone with a 1/2 of an idea what it is like to lead a team. And make the occasional big play.
    Us Vikes fans no that all it is is that you are scared. You are so scared that Favre is going to come back strong and do something magical this year. No. I’m not predicting it.
    But, there is no other reason for all this bashing garbage, well that he basically gave you 2 middle fingers, there is that.
    It’s just humorous to watch you all running your mouths, but 2 years ago, in that 13-3 season, he was God.
    How does that work again? Oh yeah.
    2007 Packers = Favre is good
    2009 Vikings = Favre is bad
    How transparent can you people get?
    Keep predicting the train wreck you hope and pray for, in the meantime, stay off the tracks, you may just get run over.

  101. Ambrose says: Aug 25, 2009 3:27 PM

    Hey..Ragnarthe…don’t be placing all of us Packer fans in the same boat. I have nothing but respect for Favre and his abilities. And he just might be the Vikes ticket this year, but only if he plays within the system. If he tries to be “Brett the Wonder Horse” he will disappoint you. Afraid? No, we are not afraid. He might be better than the other two guys you have but he is not better than the one guy we have. If he was good enough to play for the Packers he’d still be here. His good performance first-half season last year with the Jets was due to his freestyling nature…. because he didn’t know the plays. The second time around the teams in his division had him figured out. In your system he knows the plays and will feel like he can be “his ‘ol self again.” All you have seen of him is highlite reels. We have been watching him fade late in the season week-in and week-out for five years. Don’t get me wrong..I would not be disappointed if he were still in a Packer uniform, but he has no one to blame but himself. If Rodgers stays healthy, the Pack is in good shape. The battles are not fought here. Six weeks into the season and maybe I’ll be tipping my hat to you. But I don’t expect it will be necessary. You will have to get used to loving him and hating him at the same time, which can be exhausting. He is yours now…….

  102. RagnartheViking says: Aug 25, 2009 3:53 PM

    Ambrose, sorry to lump all Pack fans together.
    There are decent ones out there.
    It isn’t as if I haven’t seen him play, I live on a border town, actually in Wisconsin, 3 miles from Minnesota.(Not Twin Cities area). Anyway, what I’m trying to say is, I HAVE to watch Packer football too. Most of my freinds being Pack fans.
    I know what Favre the QB entails. But, like I said, we don’t need the “gunslinger” we just need him to bring stability. I think last year showed him that he can’t do it all anymore.
    If he truly wants to stick it to Thompson, he will keep this in mind and play withing himself.
    That would be much bigger than beating GB both games, which, supposedly is all he is coming back for.
    I think he is playing for the former, since he is “tarnishing his legacy” by playing for the Vikes.
    The Favre I’ve known has always been about winning and not caring about records and stats etc.
    I’m sure you saw the press conference, he just wants to win. I think you may see a different Favre this year, but im just a ” delusional Viking fan” right? Not aimed at you AMbrose.

  103. Biff Henderson says: Aug 25, 2009 4:05 PM

    http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2602/3701405922_9c069c2784.jpg

  104. Ambrose says: Aug 25, 2009 4:12 PM

    You might be right. The guy throws the best slant in the league and he can read defenses better than anyone I have ever seen. All I can do is hope that he demonstrates the tendencies of being too old to be out there. But I am not afraid…just anxious. I want to see it happen. His reasons for being there are believable…to a point. The one thing no one ever talks about is the all-time consecutive starting streak (non-kicker) which is currently owned by Jim Marshall. Favre knows that once he has that, it will probably never be broken. I think he needs fourteen more games. Any numbers crunchers out there that keep track of this stuff? I would love it if the Packers were the team that prevented him from starting the next game….and I like the guy!

  105. RagnartheViking says: Aug 25, 2009 4:44 PM

    I believe Marshall is at 270. Favre including last year is at 269.
    ANd the Pack plays the Vikes at game 273.
    I too am anxious for the season. 3 good teams, and who knows, the Lions may suprise, they weren’t an 0-16 team. They have some talent on both sides of the ball.
    Favre needs to “be” Elway this year. That’s all, late career Elway.
    I guess in 2 weeks we will see who shows up, Good Brett or bad Brett.
    I will look forward to debating with you tru the season, at least we can converse without barbs being thrown around, that’s why I cam off like a jaclass at 1st, alot of posters just want to start a fight.

  106. footballrulz says: Aug 25, 2009 4:46 PM

    Ragnar–For a Viking fan you seem to be an ok guy. I’m with Ambrose about not lumping us all together. I think for most of us who are willing to admit it is that what concerns us is that you might be correct–he just might come back & play within himself and help the Vikes to a pretty good season. Not afraid of it but concerned about it. Personally I think there are going to be two extremely hard fought games this season.
    One thing’s for sure, the NFC North’s going to be very interesting. I haven’t burned my autographed Favre stuff & still appreciate all he did for the Pack. Believe me, there were many years of medicority before his arrival–as you well know. That said, I still hope the Packs new defense folds him up like dishtowel & if you’re O-line plays like they did the other night it’s going to be along season for him. I’ll be surprised to see him make 16 games.
    One question I have–if he does lead the Vikes to a victory over the Pack (I just threw up a little) won;t that also make him the only NFL quarterback to have beat all NFL teams?

  107. mnmaverick says: Aug 25, 2009 4:49 PM

    It’s amusing that Toodles biggest supporters are out of state Viking fans. In other words bandwagoners who think they know more than the locals do. Check out the ESPN Viking board for a closer look at these clowns. For some reason T-Joke doesn’t have to earn his job like everyone else does in their eyes. He’s entitled to have 4 to six years of on the job training while making hundreds of thousands if not millions each year. And if you are critical of him because he doesn’t do his job, you’re a racist.

  108. RagnartheViking says: Aug 25, 2009 4:51 PM

    I’m wrong in a previous post:
    Favre at 269. Marshall at 282 overall.
    Game 14 breaks the record.
    So the Pack has a chance…..

  109. mnmaverick says: Aug 25, 2009 5:02 PM

    I think it’s
    Moon
    McNabb
    Williams
    McNair
    Cunningham
    Culpepper
    Vick
    and then all the rest.

  110. Dewey Axewound says: Aug 25, 2009 5:08 PM

    @FagnerdtheBiqueeen and the rest of you deluded horn-suckers:
    Yes. Yes, you ARE “just” a delusional fan.
    I hope you really took notice of the story we are all commenting under, becuase as I’ve said 958670987065987059687 times on here and elsewhere (and others are catching on now, too):
    the trainwreck is coming.
    And the wreck will happen at the precise intersection of Hype Street and Delusion Avenue, where most Queens loiter most of the time anyway (turning their tricks and whatnot).
    It’s the annual off-season crescendo of hype reaching it’s peak, right before the dissapointment begins to set in.
    You see the cracks starting?
    I will make some “audacious” predictions, okay?
    Here you go:
    1. Favre’s play will be SO bad at a given point during this year, that ANY other self-respecting coach/organization would bench his diva ass.
    (Of course, Childo and gang–as an appropriate representation of their fanbase–have no self-respect). So Favre doesn’t get benched.
    2. He will get hurt. And use it as an excuse. And, ultimately, miss starting at least one (or more) games. Most likely, Queens brass will hold a closed door meeting sometime around week 10, and tell Brett he HAS to sit out. They’ll give him the option to say publicly how he’s hurt.
    It’ll be just like the “We’ll let you resign” option people get as a gentler alternative to being fired.
    3. Vikings won’t win more than 9 games AT THE MOST.
    (My prediction: 7-9).
    Go ahead, quote me, f*ckers.
    I don’t care if you assemble a Scooby-Doo style all-star ghost team of HOF greats to play–if your locker room is in shambles, the team’s going NOWHERE.
    It’s a TEAM game. Chemistry is EVERYTHING.
    That’s why the Patriots and Steelers win, and teams like the Raiders and Redskins and Vikings
    DON’T.
    Because in football, the “quick fix” is no fix at all.
    And you consider the intense media pressure and scrutiny, the lofty (unreasonable) expectations, pressure on Childo forcing him to take wild gambles (including the Favre siging), a divided locker room, suspensions, scandals and other distractions, injuries, and so on–it’s gonna be a long season.
    Can’t wait for teams to bring the heat down the middle, where Birk used to be…like I say to your mom: it’s sack time.
    Queens will be sorely missing genuine veteran leadership from Sharper and Birk.
    Harvin = overhyped pothead. Since when has a rookie receiver REALLY made a significant impact?
    (Royal, Desean Jackson, Jennings = rare exceptions)
    Berrian = one route wonder
    Shaky secondary.
    Adrianne = great rusher.
    Terrible in pass protection, and in blitz pick-up, mediocre at best in catching out of the backfield, and a crappy blocker.
    Like I said, what the Vikes have “on paper” is meaningless anyway.
    Games are played on the field, by complete teams, not by individuals, in indiviudal match-ups.
    Queens are trying to win via short-cut:
    Signed the big name drunk hick for a King’s ransom. Stole a couple WR’s from the Bears (well, pulled one off the trash heap, anyway).
    Took the Pack’s leftover washed up wishy washy over-rated primadonna diva “gunslinger” trash and bet it all on gray.
    Back-stabbed their own guys, lied to themselves, their fans, the media, their own players.
    And now they’re gonna pay for their sins in arrogance and treachery.
    Nope–the football Gods don’t like quick fixes.
    They don’t like arrogance, boasting, short-cuts, or deceit.
    They reward hard work, patience, loyalty, sacrifice, and team work.
    (Pretty much the antithesis of the Queens “organization”!!)
    Yep, can’t wait for that trainwreck.
    Disappointment. Crow-sucking. Backpedalling. Excuse-making.
    And I’ll be here to throw a party in the carnage, too.

  111. mnmaverick says: Aug 25, 2009 5:51 PM

    Look at the Vikings schedule, it’s hard to see them not winning at least 9 games.
    The only way they don’t is if the Williams Wall winds up suspended at a critical part of the season like mid-way througjh or late in the year.
    Other than that, this is a team that can beat anyone. The past two years, they’ve demolished both the Giants and the Cardinals on the road with a piss poor QB situation. Both those teams made the Super Bowl with the Giants winning it and the Cardinals coming damn close. While it wouold be tough to pick the Vikings over a team like the Patriots in the Super Bowl. I’d rather have Brett Favre than Eli Manning or Kurt Warner any day.

  112. Crazydiamond says: Aug 25, 2009 6:28 PM

    Dewey Axewound, you do little more than a lot of childish name calling. Are you twelve years old?

  113. Bigskyvikes says: Aug 25, 2009 10:08 PM

    PossibleCabbage says:
    August 24, 2009 10:21 PM
    “I guess Florio doesn’t know that it’s infinitely easier to move the ball against 2nd and 3rd stringers in the NFL, than it is against starters.”
    I’m pretty sure that the Chiefs left their starters in longer than the 6 plays that Lord Favre played, and Jackson was the next QB in, and led at least one scoring drive against the starting Chiefs D.
    The Vikings didnt score until the second half, MORON.

  114. Bigskyvikes says: Aug 25, 2009 10:23 PM

    Jimicos, do you have a life? I like reading these but your posts make me sick. You think your pasteing stats in your comments make you right and everyone that beleives in the Vikings wrong? Dont you have a team to support or are you stuck in your under wear hiding behind your keyboard while you flex in the mirror to see a slight rise or bump on your bicept and realize that, “Yes everyone that knows me thinks I’m a nerd, but I’m super cool on the computer at Viking reports” Let me guess Ambrose is your roomate. Go to your teams blogs and write on them. You Favre haters can do all your crying at the end of the season.

  115. Bigskyvikes says: Aug 25, 2009 10:36 PM

    BlueEyeDevils says:
    August 25, 2009 12:43 PM
    How many superbowls has Brett Led his team to this “DECADE” – Zero!
    Give it up “BlueEye people” America wants athletic qbs:
    Mike Vick
    Tavaris Jackson
    Donovan McNabb
    Gerrard
    etc…..etc…..etc………
    Sorry guys, just like the NBA America want’s a LeBron dunk, not a weak 3-pointer and the same with White qbs heaving a football, hoping an athletic black player will bail them out.
    That old era is OVER!
    GET OVER IT DUDES :)
    What is this??? The reason they want a white QB is because they can read and write, so they can manage the game.
    Mike Vick=Gangster with too much money.
    Tavaris Jackson=please, there is no argument he falls apart when he is needed the most.
    Donovan McNabb= as close to a white guy as you can get.
    Gerrard=Are you serious?
    I know your going to say I’m racist, and I will argue you forever that I’m not. Your comments are as racist as can be and no one ever says anything to you.
    Stop making these fun arguments about NFL football PLAYERS about race.
    Black pride==ok
    white pride=racist
    Negro college=special
    White college=would be burned to the ground before ever built
    Black history day=memorable/pleasant
    White history day=never happen=racist

  116. vikes_guy says: Aug 25, 2009 11:07 PM

    Tell me who you think T-jack is better than in the NFL right now……he’s terrible…..If it works and we win a SB sweet.. If we suck and Chilly is gone sweeet.

  117. J.Cannon says: Aug 26, 2009 12:26 AM

    Bigskyvikes is an idiot. LMAO. WTF are you talking about?? You are racist. Moving on. All the discussion about Black quarterbacks is really interesting. Doug Williams has shown that a Black quarterback can win the Superbowl and a small number of other Black quarterbacks have carved out HOF worthy carrers Warren Moon, Donovan McNabb, Steve McNair. I think the RACIST white person might say that this is somehow related to an inherant lack of inteligence on the part of the black man. Let us remember that the best Golpher in the world is Black, the Best female Tennis players from this country are Black, and the President of the United States is Black. To bring this back to football two of last three SUPERBOWL champions have had Black head coaches. Black quarterbacks like Tarvaris Jackson and Vince Young (who was offensive rookie of the year lest we forget) have not performed poorly because they are Black but because they simply aren’t great players.

  118. bustabloodvessel says: Aug 26, 2009 12:43 AM

    Well now, I am an intelligent, anglo-american (that would be “white guy” to the uneducated, poor grammer having people on this site)Vikings fan. I would like to apologize to everyone out there for bigskyvikes’ post. Not all of us are as dumb as he is. Don’t pay attention to him, he really is not even intelligent enough to be racist. It isn’t black history day, it’s black history MONTH. I don’t think Favre is the answer, and he never will be. No matter how good he thinks he or anyone else thinks he is, he creates dissent in the locker room, and cannot be trusted with the game on the line. He likes to throw the ball to the wrong guys. The one saving grace about him is he will man up and take responsibility for his int’s, unlike that dude in Indy who would rather blame his receivers or O-line. Just in case you were wondering, I have sat. tv, and have been there for training camp, so I have seen as much, being an out of state fan, as the in state fans. Please learn to think before you speak!

  119. jimicos says: Aug 26, 2009 1:36 AM

    Bigskyvikes says:
    August 25, 2009 10:23 PM
    Jimicos, do you have a life? I like reading these but your posts make me sick. You think your pasteing stats in your comments make you right and everyone that beleives in the Vikings wrong? Dont you have a team to support or are you stuck in your under wear hiding behind your keyboard while you flex in the mirror to see a slight rise or bump on your bicept and realize that, “Yes everyone that knows me thinks I’m a nerd, but I’m super cool on the computer at Viking reports” Let me guess Ambrose is your roomate. Go to your teams blogs and write on them. You Favre haters can do all your crying at the end of the season.
    ———————
    Wow. You’re really projecting there, Stuart.
    Anyway, go ahead and dispute anything I’ve posted if you like. If you’ve got nothing of value to add, as is apparently the case, then shut the hell up.

  120. RagnartheViking says: Aug 26, 2009 7:35 AM

    Jimi:
    Last Packer post 22 hits.
    Last Viking post 120 hits.
    How pathetic is it, that you don’t even find your own teams post interesting enough to ” debate” on there.( by debate I mean you saying what you think and telling everyone else they are wrong)
    I’m sorry you are Brett’s jilted girlfreind. I’m sorry you feel like you have to come up with all these reasons of why he’s going to suck this year.
    Maybe if I get you some ice cream and you have a good cry, you’ll feel better.
    Dewey, still beating the same “drum” huh?
    Was quite pleasant not to see your inane garbage on here for awhile.
    Guess mom took you to the stark trek exhibit huh?
    Or was this your week with Dad for the summer?
    School must be starting soon, maybe we won’t see you so much.
    By the way, we get your opinion, you’ve only posted it 1,9959689689586958695 times on here
    always with that trademark hilarious homosexual slant to it. God, so funny! Not.
    As Ihave told you before, I’m sure you suck at life as much as you suck at posting?
    Seriously, why pursue either one of them anymore?

  121. sand0 says: Aug 26, 2009 9:48 AM

    Talk about a non-issue. So this is an article about an article that is about unnamed “sources” within the locker room. Sure T Jack had a good preseason game. He’s had them before. He’s had bad preseason games also like in week 1. Bottom line is that he had his chance and was unable to get anything done. We’ve seen the guy play plenty here in Minny and quite frankly he isn’t very good. He isn’t as bad as some people make him out to be but it is pretty clear that he is a bottom 5 or 10 level starter.
    Favre on the other hand is pretty good. He was terrible after the biceps injury but that injury is no longer an issue. Prior to that injury he was playing at a pro bowl level for both last season and the season before. And the Vikings don’t even need him to be that good. They just need a top 15 QB instead of a bottom 10 QB.
    Plus what is most important is that Favre is good in the face of a blitz, and that has been the Vikings weakness. Teams blitz to stop the run and Favre can really hurt you there.

  122. jimicos says: Aug 26, 2009 10:22 AM

    RagnartheViking says:
    August 26, 2009 7:35 AM
    Jimi:
    Last Packer post 22 hits.
    Last Viking post 120 hits.
    How pathetic is it, that you don’t even find your own teams post interesting enough to ” debate” on there.( by debate I mean you saying what you think and telling everyone else they are wrong)
    I’m sorry you are Brett’s jilted girlfreind. I’m sorry you feel like you have to come up with all these reasons of why he’s going to suck this year.
    Maybe if I get you some ice cream and you have a good cry, you’ll feel better.
    ————————–
    Why do you always bring the conversation down to insults? Oh yeah, because that’s all that’s in your arsenal. Sorry, I forgot.
    OK, let’s address your “points”. First, as soon as there are locker room whispers about Rodgers not getting the support of the team, trust me there will be 100+ posts on that thread. Probably half of them from a guy named Rag-something.
    Secondly, I’m not Brett’s jilted girlfriend. Brett’s the jilted one. He was left at the altar when he tried to makeup with Thompson and found out Thompson had already started dating someone else. That’s why he’s with the Vikings. To show up at the mall with his new purple boyfriends and try to make Thompson jealous.
    Third, I don’t need to come up with reasons why Brett will stink. He does that for me. Besides, I haven’t even tried to make predictions about how he’ll do. I’ve defended Rodgers’ performance to the idiots who say Thompson messed up. I’ve shown (and yes, Bigsky I used actual facts) that Rodgers compares favorably to the current revision of Favre. And I’ve pointed out that Favre’s me-first attitude (like Owens’) is just fine when you’re blowing teams out by 20 points. Start losing games and it’ll be a different story (see 2008 Jets). If you care to dispute that, go right ahead.
    Ice cream and a good cry? Again, you’re projecting. Go drink a Zima and try to wash the sand out of your vagina.

  123. jimicos says: Aug 26, 2009 10:28 AM

    @sando:
    How do you think a reporter gets “sources”? By spilling the beans about who tells you everything? I think that’s how you eliminate your sources. They don’t want to “whisper” to you if you’re going to rat them out in the media.
    In the recent past, Favre was only good in 2007. In 2007 he showed up for camps. He put in his work. And he played within the system. McCarthy demanded (and got) a certain level of accountability from Favre in 2007. He convinced Favre he needed to play within the system and trust his teammates. It remains to be seen whether Childress will do that.

  124. SidHartman says: Aug 26, 2009 10:36 AM

    @Dewey Axewound
    I think you are certifiably insane. And I am completely serious when I say that. Wow.

  125. Ambrose says: Aug 26, 2009 11:12 AM

    BigSkyVikes
    How the hell did I get dragged into this? Your mother should have taught you some manners instead of how to crush beer cans on your head.
    Take some anger management courses for crying out loud.

  126. Bigskyvikes says: Aug 26, 2009 10:18 PM

    Rossum20 says:
    August 25, 2009 7:04 AM
    Vikings fans are hilarious because they never know anything about their opponents…they just know how good they look on paper.
    This is the dumbest thing I have ever read, I think everyone on this site has become a little less inteligent by reading this. So we are suppose to read up on our opponents? Why are we now preparing ourselves to watch the game different because of how our opponents play? What happens to the Vikings if their fans start to study their opponents better and learn things about them? My god your an idiot!

  127. Bigskyvikes says: Aug 26, 2009 10:32 PM

    jimicos says:
    August 25, 2009 1:39 PM
    BlueEyeDevils, you are either using sarcasm to the fullest extent allowed by law, or you are the dumbest human being with internet access.
    I’m still trying to figure out which.
    Jimicos, your writings are annoying and way to many of them on here, but this comment is the best thing I’ve read here to date, I’m still laughing myself to tears. I love it!

  128. jimicos says: Aug 27, 2009 2:30 AM

    I was serious.

  129. SheHateMe says: Aug 28, 2009 8:43 PM

    To PossibleCabbage:
    “The reality is, ‘IT’ doesn’t work”
    At least be honest enough to state what you mean by ‘IT’. I suppose you mean blacks as QB’s
    I think most coaches really, really, really want to win. I doubt if there is a single coach in the history of Pro or big time college ball that would try to make a social statement by starting a less qualified black man over a more qualified white one.
    The true ‘reality’, as you so delicately put it, is that the only time a black QB will start over a white QB is when a cohching staff genuinely feels that that is what gives them the best chance to win the most games.
    Having said that, facts is facts, and in my opinion, the only black QB in league history, that you could count on, week in and week out to be consistent, and who made his team better, was Warren Moon (and how truly black he is is open to question, but that’s another story).
    Every (and I do mean EVERY) other black NFL quarterback was (and is) at best inconsistent, with occasional flashes of brilliance.
    Conclusions:
    1) The Vikings will never win with TJ
    2) The Eagles will never win it all with DM

  130. vikes backer says: Aug 29, 2009 12:23 PM

    to theblowedone, the vikes will be a very dangerous team this year, they have the top rusher in the NFL the last two seasons, and yes they do have a good looking recieving core with the addition of percy harvin. The defense will shut their opponents down, now with e j henderson back this year. Remember the 1st preseason game against the colt where he just about took peyton manning’s head off. So I only see the defense as stronger than last year. With the addition of farve, the running game is going to bust things wide open. Farve WILL win with this viking team!

  131. heavysett says: Aug 29, 2009 12:59 PM

    As a long time viking fan, I would be happy to Jackson on a flight to some other city. He can’t make reads, he can’t make an accurate throw, he can’t throw a deep ball, and his delivery takes longer than granny falling down the steps.

  132. ngarren says: Sep 9, 2009 1:24 AM

    favre has that consecutive start streak due to no head coach daring to bench him. No GM bringing in any real competition to possible beat him out. And his “Iron Man” image was built on his addiction to Darvacet and Vicodin.
    Wonder if the league overlooks his drug use?

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