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"Faction" of Vikings want Tarvaris

Though a core of key players and team leaders apparently support the anointment of 39-year-old quarterback Brett Favre as the starter for the Vikings, talk continues to persist that not all of the players who wear purple are on the same page.

Per a source with knowledge of the locker-room dynamics in Minnesota, there’s a “faction” that still prefers Tarvaris Jackson.

According to the source, this “faction” of for now undetermined size regards Favre as an “old guy” with talents inferior to those possessed by Jackson. 

For now, it’s an issue that remains beneath the surface, but not by very many layers.  If the Vikings struggle early in the season, the rumblings could start — and coach Brad Childress would be facing a real problem.

Though many think that Childress won’t be able to bench Favre if the future Hall of Famer struggles like he did down the stretch last season in New York, we think that the coach’s self-preservation instinct will overcome his desire to remain Brett’s newest BFF. 

The coach surely realizes that anything short of an appearance in the NFC title game will put his job in real jeopardy; thus, if the coach concludes that Jackson gives them the better chance to win, we think the coach will yank Favre as quickly as he pulled Jackson last season in favor of the most recent “old guy” on the roster, Gus Frerotte.

And if the ensuing strain gets Brett to quit publicly calling his boss “Chilly,” the coach should consider that to be a bonus.

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  1. lebowski says: Aug 26, 2009 10:57 AM

    and the train picks up speed….

  2. mixman34 says: Aug 26, 2009 10:58 AM

    Welcome to NBC huh Florio?! The speculative fear mongering fits right in. Way to not miss a beat when joining the mainstream!!!!!!! Sellout.

  3. tian says: Aug 26, 2009 10:58 AM

    Didn’t you report on this earlier?

  4. Rex Grossman says: Aug 26, 2009 10:59 AM

    Just as I opened this story, The Pharcyde’s “Oh Shit” started playing.
    AHHHHHHHH SHIT.

  5. CdnMike says: Aug 26, 2009 11:02 AM

    I’m sorry, but this is a race thing. Some of the black players want the black QB.
    If Favre isn’t the starting QB isn’t Favre it should be Sage. Sage is a good QB that doesn’t get enough regonition.
    Sure T-Jack looks good in preseason and in practice. But that playoff game last year is standard T-Jack.
    Seriously, who doesn’t think that some players calling for T-Jack is totally race motivated?

  6. StartTarvaris says: Aug 26, 2009 11:03 AM

    AND HOW COULD YOU BLAME THEM???

  7. CdnMike says: Aug 26, 2009 11:04 AM

    By the way, it will be easy to pull Favre. You just sit him down and say, we need you to fake and injury (shoulder, bicept) and we’re going to put in Sage/Tavaris.

  8. empty13 says: Aug 26, 2009 11:05 AM

    lets say favre crapolas the bed.
    then lets say t-jack crapols the bed.
    the faction wont ask for favre to go back in or sage to go in.
    screw the faction.

  9. hayward giablommi says: Aug 26, 2009 11:05 AM

    Maybe if Favre was not a transparent phony, and had toughed it out with the rest of his “teammates” in training camp, they would actually respect him and be more inclined to go to battle with him.

  10. Zox says: Aug 26, 2009 11:05 AM

    Stoking the flames.

  11. SidHartman says: Aug 26, 2009 11:05 AM

    I still believe Jackson is the odd man out. I’m not sure how anyone who has watched him play over the last few years can think he can be a starter in this league – especially when other team personnel think the Vikes can only get a 6th round pick for him in a trade. They’re keeping Favre, Sage and Booty.

  12. DePack says: Aug 26, 2009 11:08 AM

    “For now, it’s an issue that remains beneath the surface”
    Not if you can help it.
    Your obsession with him calling him “chilly” is really getting funny. You are so out of touch. He called all of his Packer coaches “Mike”. Look around the league…..Donovan McNabb calls his coach “Andy” or “Jobba”. You’re bent on him being too friendly with his coach. Anything to rip him….but this isn’t catching on. Wake up and smell the urine…..that’s the way the league is. Time to catch up…….”Mikey”

  13. TheDPR says: Aug 26, 2009 11:08 AM

    “According to the source, this “faction” of for now undetermined size regards Favre as an “old guy” with talents inferior to those possessed by Jackson. ”
    Probably because that’s what he is.

  14. Samuel L. Bronkowitz says: Aug 26, 2009 11:08 AM

    “Faction” of PFT readers want Favre to evaporate…

  15. ibleedgreen-n-gold says: Aug 26, 2009 11:11 AM

    Uh-oh… Dissention in the ranks already? Looks to me like the beginning of ‘Mutiny on the Sex Boat’ Stay tuned for more drama… (cue cheesey soap opera music)

  16. ManBearPig51 says: Aug 26, 2009 11:12 AM

    Wasn’t this article on here like 4 days ago? How about we give Favre at least a week of practice before saying that he’s going to suck this year, if we went back in time 2 weeks you’d be writting an article about how much TJack sucks & how Sage was the man for the job. TJack sucks despite a (single) good pre-season game. Anyone that thinks TJack is better than Favre over a full season probably qualifies to compete in the special olympics and should be training for that instead of putting messages on here.

  17. Big Stretch says: Aug 26, 2009 11:13 AM

    I’ve said before that the Vikings signing Brett Favre would ultimately be a locker room divider, just like it was in NY. The Viking were so focused on bringing money and attention to the team, but what they should have been trying to do is win games. Coming off a 10 win season where they won the division this move seemed un warranted considering Minnesota had the 2008 jets experiment as an example of what happens when Favre doesn’t attend traiming camp, comes in late and takes over a team without having to prove he still has what it takes. He can not take his past accomplishments onto the field in 2009, so to assume he is the best option just because at one time he would have been doesn’t make sense. Dan Marino was a much better QB than Pennington and some would argue that he still is, but in now way is Marino better than Pennington in 2009, so why should Favre, at 40 with a torn rotator cuff and a habit of throwing INTs be the best option in Minnesota?
    Brett Favre has been living off his legend for the last few years, and to the detriment of the Vikings he’s reputation will continue to be better than his play.

  18. sigmaed51 says: Aug 26, 2009 11:14 AM

    it would be such great karma for the almighty Brett Favre to suffer the indignity of being outperformed by Tavaris Jackson and losing the lockeroom. Lord Favre who believes he is entitled to be GM and permanent starter no matter how little practice time works at, and that he deserves as much time as he pleases to decide whether or not to retire and hold franchises hostage…..would be sweet. please happen

  19. Truecoat says: Aug 26, 2009 11:14 AM

    I guess a “faction” of the players want a mediocre season also.

  20. Bun McSticky says: Aug 26, 2009 11:15 AM

    The ‘faction’ that wants Tarvaris doesn’t have his job on the line. The ‘faction’ that wants Tarvaris in there…have they seen the guy play?? LMAO. He’s not good. This ‘faction’ wants Jackson in there because it might be a black thing. Not trying to make it racial, but maybe a few players would like to see TJ in there because of his race. Just sayin’.

  21. tv says: Aug 26, 2009 11:16 AM

    Maybe they could settle the whole problem by bringing back Fran.
    Sort of a “neutral” solution.

  22. Ambrose says: Aug 26, 2009 11:19 AM

    …..fanning the flames of discontent. I love it. And I hope it is true. It couldn’t happen to a sweeter bunch of fanatics. Self-destructing one unconfirmed rumor at a time. This site is becoming a Trojan horse that elicits the primal frustration a true Viking fan knows is his lot in life…..loser.

  23. RagnartheViking says: Aug 26, 2009 11:23 AM

    Come on Florio!! This is the exact same post as yesterday.
    How many people in a faction? Does 2 count?
    Ray Edwards and who?
    You don’t spend 12 million to bench a guy after 2 games, especially one that has proven himself in this league.
    If you are going to keep submitting Minnesota/Favre/Jackson stories, try to come up with something new.
    In other words, dont be a “regifter”

  24. Manbearpig says: Aug 26, 2009 11:25 AM

    More anonymous drivel. More misleading, half-assed, possibly completely fabricated “reporting.”
    Is this “faction” a part of the “corner of the locker room” that Schefter cited and you reported as being in favor of Jackson?
    I’d like to see a follow up explaining how many players make up a “faction” and how many it takes to constitute a “corner of the locker room.”
    Come on man. You can do better than this, and do most of the time. It’s amazing how crap like this can drag down the cred of a very informative and articulate site.
    Very disappointing.

  25. sevendollarbologna says: Aug 26, 2009 11:26 AM

    Farve will embarrass himself into retirement, & “Chilly” will be just that, come February!

  26. realityonetwo says: Aug 26, 2009 11:26 AM

    Man up and tell us a) the source; b) the players supporting Jackson.

  27. PackFaninPackLand says: Aug 26, 2009 11:27 AM

    Hey Florio, by “faction” do you mean the African-American players ???
    Funny how this supposed “source” wouldn’t reveal any names. Are these guys football players, or girl scouts ??? If they’re afraid may I suggest they buy a dog.
    Or was just another made up story by Florio ???

  28. DanO says: Aug 26, 2009 11:28 AM

    So where was this “faction” last year when Travaris was benched for another “old guy” named Gus Frerotte and the Vikings went 8-3?

  29. JimmySmith says: Aug 26, 2009 11:30 AM

    “regards Favre as an “old guy” with talents inferior to those possessed by Jackson”
    Wow! now the Viking players are playing GM with an intelligence level that rivals the head coach and fan base which is to say just above functionally illiterate.
    I maintain Brent is washed up and his season will not end well but to suggest T Jack Off has the skills to play at the NFL level is itself a big joke.
    We can only hope this train wreck of a season plays out over all 16 weeks. Opinions may vary but it cannot be denied that this was all brought on by Col Klink himself, he owns it outright. If he didn’t want Brent’s nut juice all over his chin, he should have never knelled down in the first place.

  30. L'√Čtoile du Nord says: Aug 26, 2009 11:31 AM

    Seriously? Come on dude, your stories truly lack substance. Plus, has anybody actually watched TJack play? He is not a starting QB! So what, he can throw the ball and run, that doesn’t make him an NFL-caliber QB! QBs are suppose to manage the game on the field and adjust the game as needed. TJack CANNOT do this! If you think his performance on Friday was good, wake up- it was against a third-string defense. Enough people!

  31. whatthehellisgoingonoutthere says: Aug 26, 2009 11:31 AM

    This train wreck is going to be fun to watch all season! Will Childo have the cajones to bench Brett Favre when his arm starts falling off and is throwing INT’s at record clip? Doubtful, given that Brent has proved to everyone who runs the Vikings. It’s certainly not Childo or Wilf. He owns them and he knows it. I still can’t believe that Childo played chauffer to Brent when he arrived in town. What a douche. I’m sure Brett was also a bit surprised when he showed up in the exam room for “turn and cough”.

  32. VonClausewitz says: Aug 26, 2009 11:34 AM

    Of course they do. The way Favre was airlifted in is going to cause dissention in the ranks.
    The good part is that it means the team is coming together. The players are getting behind each other. They have faith in each other. The schism itself is good because it will force a dialog and make the team that much tighter. Outside of the Pats this is the team to beat. The only way they don’t become that team is if the players don’t care. Clearly that’s not the case.

  33. Holden McGroyne says: Aug 26, 2009 11:36 AM

    I was never in favor of Brett ‘It’s All About Me’ Favre coming to Minnesota. Since he’s here, I hope he succeeds, for the team’s sake, not his.
    This creates a problem for the other three QBs. Sage is a good back-up, Jackson has shone flashes, but if inconsistent. Booty is intriguing. From what I’ve seen, he has a very strong and accurate arm. I’d like to see him stay and develop.
    Remember, Boys and Girls:
    There is no ‘I’ in Team — and no ‘Team’ in Favre.

  34. seaner44 says: Aug 26, 2009 11:37 AM

    God, just let this die would you, an UNDETERMINED number of people inside the vikings locker room, MAY OR MAY NOT want Jackson to start over Favre, WE ARE 50 percent sure that this story may be TRUE or UNTRUE. There is a POSSIBILITY that we COULD update the FACTS or FICTION of this STORY/NON STORY later today OR tomorrow OR MAYBE not at all…. geeeze

  35. EMan says: Aug 26, 2009 11:38 AM

    Didn’t Adam Schefter just make this claim like a 2 days ago? Why copy the SAME article simply changing the words ‘whispers’ to ‘Faction’? Sorry Florio but this is tripe of the most unsavory version. Here is a clip from ESPN where Allen is asked this very question and clearly responds with ‘I haven’t heard anything like that…’. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMOTRxDOSRg
    The team is behind the move, right or wrong and the media (YOU included) are desperately trying to make something nasty appear from their hats.
    I say let the guy make his effort. Let the team give er a go. If he fails then he fails, if it flies then it was the right choice. Packer-Farve haters aside, this is just not that damn deep.

  36. gopherb24 says: Aug 26, 2009 11:38 AM

    For the last time, Florio, Favre didn’t come up with the nickname “Chilly”; stop using it for your tag lines and punch lines. Mark Rosen (from a CBS affiliate here in the Twin Cities–you may know him, he broke the news about Favre on the 18th) has been using that nickname for years. I’m sick of reading “Childress, or as Favre calls him, ‘Chilly’…” It’s gotten really old.

  37. The Rural Juror says: Aug 26, 2009 11:42 AM

    I have a feeling Favre will be an epic fail.
    How do you get on point with your recievers, but still be on a pitch count?
    Childress and Favre are both on borrowed time.

  38. ique says: Aug 26, 2009 11:43 AM

    For ANYone who has ever even been in a locker room or God forbid actually played football, hell ANY team sport, at any level, this is NO Surprise. For the inept management and less than courageous head coach of the Minnesota Vikings to be blindsided by this reaction is telling. This same ‘faction’ has felt for a quite awhile now that old ‘Chilly’ and the neophyte ownership has not fully supported Mr. Jackson the way other young QB’s around the league have been during their respective developments. He was looking over his shoulder from DAY 1.
    But I will say this for young Mr. Jackson he never whined or made a scene. He quietly went about the daily grind of getting better and being a Team First Guy.
    This version of the Minnesota Vikings has been like quicksilver when it comes to making BADD decisions. I am sure they will trade Tarvaris Jackson, in their minds, to avoid the split locker room, instead of coolly evaluating all factors and making allowances for future value. Wrong Again. Good luck with Sage and Brett. Any team would be lucky to get him.

  39. jimmySee says: Aug 26, 2009 11:43 AM

    I love Brett for what he did in Green Bay over all those years … but am so glad he is the Vikings problem now.

  40. mbbrazi says: Aug 26, 2009 11:43 AM

    Anyone who thinks Tarvaris outdid Favre last Friday night is a moron and an idiot. Tarvaris incredibly still has a lot of trouble executing the offense. Tarvaris cannot throw timing patterns which after reading the progressions is what the “west coast offense” is. Tarvaris threw one touchdown pass because it was a busted play (near the goal line). The other was a busted coverage by the Chiefs. Let’s not be rediculous, Tarvaris is not and may never be ready-by the way John David Booty will be the one the Vikings let go, you heard it hear first!

  41. db3300 says: Aug 26, 2009 11:44 AM

    “The coach surely realizes that anything short of an appearance in the NFC title game will put his job in real jeopardy;”
    Then he might as well start packing because neither of those guys is going to get the job done.

  42. DJP says: Aug 26, 2009 11:45 AM

    You just gotta love this continuing melodrama with Farve. The grass is always greener when it’s turf. If Tavaris somehow starts at any time over Farve this season, somewhere, John Madden will be crying.

  43. JMClarkent says: Aug 26, 2009 11:45 AM

    …and by “faction” they mean “Tavaris Jackson”.

  44. sim448 says: Aug 26, 2009 11:46 AM

    i cant stand favre, and i think he is the most overrated qb of all time, by far. now, here is the deal- TARVARIS JACKSON IS HORRIBLE!!!! I would take the overrated shitbag known as brett favre over the overhypped Jackson anyday. Yeah, he looked good last week, BUT HE WAS FACING GUYS THAT WILL BE IN THE UFL WITHIN THE NEXT 3 WEEKS. WHY CANT PEOPLE SEE THIS? I’m a Pats fan(insert insults here, which, i dont care, i love it) but we had Michael Bishop lighting it up against crappy players and everyone had a hard on for him too- well, needless to say, he sucked. Tarvaris Jackson is the new Michael Bishop- great athlete, horrible NFL qb.

  45. Darth Ringo says: Aug 26, 2009 11:47 AM

    This is all part of Chilly’s devious master plan to motivate his team.

  46. JaggedMark says: Aug 26, 2009 11:47 AM

    I don’t blame them. Tavaris is a good quarterback, and certainly better than Favre at this point.

  47. Youngone says: Aug 26, 2009 11:47 AM

    I like your reporting Florio, sometimes. But why talk about your opinions as we? Seems quite egotistical

  48. norseman69 says: Aug 26, 2009 11:48 AM

    Give this a break, you guy’s always are trying to get rift going..
    T Jack played against a 1st and 2nd team defense in a pre-season game. He is a wonderlick choker in games that are on the line; add in blitzes and mixed man on man & zone coverage and he screws up.
    Just trade him now and get it over.. homebo had his 3 years to prove himself..

  49. JimmySmith says: Aug 26, 2009 11:50 AM

    “regards Favre as an “old guy” with talents inferior to those possessed by Jackson”
    Wow! now the Viking players are playing GM with an intelligence level that rivals the head coach and fan base which is to say just above functionally illiterate.
    I maintain Brent is washed up and his season will not end well but to suggest T Jack Off has the skills to play at the NFL level is itself a big joke.
    We can only hope this train wreck of a season plays out over all 16 weeks. Opinions may vary but it cannot be denied that this was all brought on by Col Klink himself, he owns it outright. If he didn’t want Brent’s nut juice all over his chin, he should have never knelled down in the first place.

  50. darrius_heyward-bey-butterfingers says: Aug 26, 2009 11:52 AM

    Speaking of QB controversies, I’d like to hear more about Sean Hill saying that Mike Martz fixed the competition in SF last year to make J.T. O’Sullivan’s look better. I think the question that was asked was something like what has been different about this year’s battle vs last years, and the biggest difference to him was that this year has been fair.

  51. leatherneck says: Aug 26, 2009 11:56 AM

    In his entire career as a Viking, Favre is 1 for 4, 4 yards passing. TJ had a 158.3 passer rating last week. Is there any surprise that a “faction” of Vikings would prefer TJ. Favre must perform. This isn’t a coronation. If he can’t perform well, he is not going to be the starter for very long, period.

  52. BillsFan27 says: Aug 26, 2009 11:59 AM

    What the hell happened to Sage? Is he the newest-oldest Mr. Irrelevant all of a sudden?

  53. gopher says: Aug 26, 2009 12:07 PM

    Another source of which nobody knows. The media has so many insiders that if they do not have a real story, then they throw some crap at the wall and see what sticks. I’m looking forward to your rumors when all the teams have to cut players and then the insiders will have a open field to let us know what players the team hated to lose and it could split the team. Good God take a break.

  54. StartTarvaris says: Aug 26, 2009 12:12 PM

    PERFECT QB RATING BABY!
    GET THAT OLD MAN OUTTA HEEEERRRE

  55. Bob Nelson says: Aug 26, 2009 12:21 PM

    1) Nobody expects Brad Childress or the vikings to make the NFC title game like the Packers did 2 seasons ago or the Bears 3 seasons ago.
    2) Only a real nut case or someone prejudiced against a white guy from the South would think would think Jackson is an option instead of Rosenfels let alone the greatest QB of all time.
    3) Favre’s stats last year with the Jets exceed Jackson’s 3 year career stats.
    4) Any jive talking fool that says this nonsense dosen’t really believe it or else they would not be anonymous.
    5) Reasoning it out, those who would say such an ignorant thing would have to be some young rookies who have never seen Jackson play and have ignored Favre’s career for some unknown reason.
    I normally would not believe a report like this and say it is a fabrication.
    Yet some players to have such a low Wonderlic scores they assault police officers, do drugs, and are involved in shooting people (including themselves) and they are viking players.
    Hip hop hurray for this stupidity.

  56. empty13 says: Aug 26, 2009 12:21 PM

    t-jack may be a team guy and THE qb for the BLACK portion of the team. but it isnt an election.
    and for all favre’s faults, he can probly be a serviceable starter for 11-12 games. sage might can do 6. t-jack cant match either.
    let THE FACTION bring in jester jackson or some other useless eater race hustler and dynamite the team for the season. then it wouldnt be favre’s fault. imagine that.
    actually i would call t-jack 3-4 and gus 7-3 cause t-jack did bring them back to win the 2nd detroit game. not that it should have been hard…

  57. DemocratsAreStupid says: Aug 26, 2009 12:29 PM

    This is the same thing that happened over in Baltimore. It is 100% racially motivated. The black players wanted Troy Smith and those who wanted to win preferred Flacco.

  58. English_Buc says: Aug 26, 2009 12:34 PM

    I would let Favre and TJ split carries untill November, get Favre’s arm going again and then let him loose!

  59. jimicos says: Aug 26, 2009 12:34 PM

    hayward giablommi says:
    August 26, 2009 11:05 AM
    Maybe if Favre was not a transparent phony, and had toughed it out with the rest of his “teammates” in training camp, they would actually respect him and be more inclined to go to battle with him.
    —————————
    True. Favre doesn’t want to have to win anyone over for their support. He feels like he doesn’t need to. He feels entitled to their respect and support. As we’ve seen many ways, somewhere along the road to Canton he became more about “me” than the team. I don’t know exactly when it happened but it’s becoming more apparent as the years progress.

  60. SpartaChris says: Aug 26, 2009 12:35 PM

    As much as I really hope the Brett Favre experiment fails in Minnesota, anyone basing his future performance on a game he played after being in camp for 15 minutes is reaching. There’s simply no way one can logically say his performance last week is telling of what his future performance will be.
    If he screws the pooch this week and next, then you have a case to be made. Until then, it’s just mindless drivel.

  61. kcchiefs says: Aug 26, 2009 12:36 PM

    “Per a source with knowledge of the locker-room dynamics in Minnesota…”
    It’s always an unamed source.

  62. Twiz says: Aug 26, 2009 12:37 PM

    There is a “faction” that want Florio to quit writing stupid crap like this…..but that is not happening either, is it? LOL

  63. theonlyEAGLESfaniknow says: Aug 26, 2009 12:38 PM

    Florio isn’t a journalist, he’s a blogger. He can write whatever he wants, and you get to eat it, if you want. If you don’t, delete the favorite and move on.
    No article is disappointing, because you have the power to scroll on by, or not visit.
    Seriously? Seriously?
    As to the story, c’mon Mike, you can do better than that. Maybe a follow up or some research, maybe an interview or name some players. Enough with the drivel. Make me a proud bitch, will ya?

  64. mixman34 says: Aug 26, 2009 12:39 PM

    TJack does this EVERY YEAR! Remember last year anyone? He always.. ALWAYS looks good in preseason and practice, then lays eggs all year long. Don’t get me wrong when the Vikes are up, coasting, and/or playing comfortable he plays well. As soon as there’s ANY pressure on this dude he buckles. I.E. look at the AZ game last year against a coasting division winner… 4 TDs. Then against Philly in the Playoffs? A dud. Who went on to the superbowl? AZ. He sucks and always will despite his 158.3 against second squad rubes. I got burned getting excited about him last year and then goes into Lambeau and single handedly blows it at the end when we had a chance to win…..

  65. rcunningham says: Aug 26, 2009 12:44 PM

    “# leatherneck says: August 26, 2009 11:56 AM
    In his entire career as a Viking, Favre is 1 for 4, 4 yards passing. TJ had a 158.3 passer rating last week. Is there any surprise that a “faction” of Vikings would prefer TJ. Favre must perform. This isn’t a coronation. If he can’t perform well, he is not going to be the starter for very long, period.”
    You’re going to judge Favre after 4 passes in the preseason?
    Are you retarded?

  66. Thuney says: Aug 26, 2009 12:45 PM

    What I find amusing is that everyone thinks Jackson had such an amazing game against KC and all of the sudden is the next Donovan McNabb again…….if you watched the game you might recall that:
    1. the dude threw a pass after running 8 yards past the line of scrimmage.
    2. His TD to Shiancoe was a result of him hanging on to the ball WAY to long and getting lucky that his scrambling caused the coverage to break down and Shank broke for the corner of the endzone at the right time. He could have easily been sacked and fumbled.
    3. THIS WAS ALL AGAINST 2ND AND 3RD TEAM D!

  67. RagnartheViking says: Aug 26, 2009 12:46 PM

    Leatherneck:
    You should lose all posting priveleges for typing something that freaking dumb!
    I’m so sick of this “train wreck” is going to be fun to watch garbage.
    You jagoffs just sit here and wait for a Vikings post so you can type the same thing over and over and over and over and over again.
    None of you Packer fans have posted anything new, just the smae old drivel.
    Such as:
    Favre is old.
    Favre sucks.
    TJoke is better
    Chilly is gone.
    Vikes are inept.
    This is going to be a train wreck.
    Favre is a cancer.
    I’m sure you are all sitting there in your piss stained Packer boxers, waiting to say how bad the Vikes suck.
    Face it, the majority of you are worried that Favre is going to light it up and he isn’t on the Packers anymore.
    You are disappointed that we are glad to have him. Seriously, it bothers you Packer fans so badly, that less than 2 years ago he was a God to you people and now you can’t spew enough venom about him. He’s our problem now etc.
    And you want to call Vikings fans hypocrites?
    You are the biggest bunch of hypocrites ever.
    You act like you won in spite of him and it was all his fault that the Giants beat you.
    Nice revisionist history. He pulled out so many games in 07 by doing some miraculous things.
    Here it is chapter and verse.
    Brett on the Pack, best thing since batter fried pickles.
    Brett on the Jets… he’s good, he still wants to play, wish he wouldve stayed with us tho.
    Brett on the Vikes? He’s old and horrible and will implode your locker room.
    You guys are so full of crap. Just admit it for what it is, you want him to do bad because he’s a Viking. Your arguement is so transparent and childish, that its laughable.
    I’d be afraid to, I know what a motivated Brett Favre can do…and so do you packer fans.
    Just quit your crying and worry about your own “mighty” 6-10 team. ok?

  68. beefcake says: Aug 26, 2009 12:47 PM

    Trade T-Suck…he had 3 years to prove himself and couldnt do it. Farve had 2 days and you want to tell us that a “faction” wants T-Suck? Either they’re refering to players that wont make the squad or some moron thats T-Sucks BFF…all the key players are on board with Favre and if Favre happens to get hurt Sage would be the starter anyway. Its time for T-Suck to go, he had his shot!!

  69. Vikingsnut says: Aug 26, 2009 12:55 PM

    The first Vikings regular season game that needs a come from behind 4th quarter victory that Favre engineer’s and that faction will forget about Jackson! Talent only does not work at QB and less talented QB’s have won championships.

  70. ZN0rseman says: Aug 26, 2009 1:02 PM

    That tiny little faction in the locker room is about 3 defensive players, and they want a black QB, winning be damned.
    The tiny faction of the fans are people who bought T-Joke jereseys and have been singing his praises since draft day without one iota of logic in their little brains.
    The rest of us, well, we were happy about Sage and we range from luke-warm to hyped up about Favre, but at least it will be entertaining.
    PS: I have more skill at QB than Tavaris Jackson, so lol @ those who would claim that Jackson has more skill than Favre.
    $0.02,
    –Z

  71. mnmaverick says: Aug 26, 2009 1:14 PM

    I think the sub par receiving talent on the team might prefer Jackson. He enables them to keep their jobs. Favre puts the ball on the money and they drop it. Those no-name Toodles Supporters will be handed their pink slips on cut down day.
    Honestly outside of Berrian, Harvin, and Shiancoe, the Vikes don’t have much. They’d be a perfect destination for Marvin Harrison.

  72. hitch1969 says: Aug 26, 2009 1:23 PM

    look – i’m n0t a vikings fan, not a packers fan – don’t dislike either team though – just an appreciator of the big picture really and more of a broncos fan.
    and although an argument can easily be made that favre has completely disrespected and embarrassed himself over the last 2 years with the crocodile tears, the waffling, the lying – the drama queen stuff is very feminine. very unbecoming of a qb of his stature – not a good role model for the kids, all that.
    however, i have got to admit over these last 2 years i have been happy that he is coming back to the nfl. its value added. i just wish that he hadn’t have gone about it like he did.
    and i also wish that the broncos would have gotten him, or vick, but thats another thing altogther.
    best!!
    =h=

  73. defensiveplaymaker says: Aug 26, 2009 1:24 PM

    Any player in the locker room that wants Jackson to start over Favre should have their head examined. Jackson has had his chance, it’s clear he doesn’t have what it takes to be a successful NFL qb. Favre has proven he has what it takes.

  74. Fan_Of_ Four says: Aug 26, 2009 1:27 PM

    Who gives a sh!it what the players think, its up to management to decide. They had all better play their A$$es off for whom ever is behind center or they will be looking for jobs themselves.

  75. Ambrose says: Aug 26, 2009 1:31 PM

    If Brett feels that he does not need the training camp regimen and he can just wait out his time until he steps onto the field, then we shouldn’t be hearing about the little time he had to prepare. He’s ready, right? All he needs is HS kids to prepare….he’s that good. If the other players on the team don’t see it that way, then they have no appreciation for how spectacular he is. BTW….I think his “saving the day” late in the fourth quarter is way beyond him anymore. But I can’t wait until the season starts. If he actually turns into something special (again) I will have to concede and tip my hat to you Vikes fans…and I will. But………….I honestly think you should prepare yourselves for a lot a crap sandwiches that will need to be eaten this year. We’ll see.

  76. jrmbadger says: Aug 26, 2009 1:32 PM

    TO holds the title of most divisive diva, but Favre is right on his heels and gaining fast. Favre is such an egomaniac that he even wants THAT record.
    What did Vikings fans expect? I wouldn’t be too darn happy if my head coach brought on a washed up diva to start at QB midway through preseason to replace the QB we were working with through the hot 2 a day practices in August either. The guy clearly is using his name and prestige to manipulate his way onto the roster and has Chilly by the man cajones. As a player, that would anger me.
    Just hope one of those “disgruntled” players is not on the offensive line …. or look out.

  77. TrueFan says: Aug 26, 2009 1:37 PM

    Really it is BEYOND me that anyone (let alone a professional football player) would think that Tarvaris Jackson is preferable to Brett Favre as a QB. That only makes me question the judgment of those players. Even when his stats are good (as in the other night) you only have to watch him play to see how close it was to disaster. The TD pass to Shiancoe was his patented “throw it too late, jumping off one foot, wobbly, could have been intercepted” variety. Two other times, he threw too late to a guy where he SHOULD have thrown it a full second or two earlier. He is HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE and STILL hasn’t learned. He’s just plain dumb. Fast, mobile, but just DUMB.

  78. Duan says: Aug 26, 2009 1:43 PM

    I am not going to go as far as Jackson is better than Favre, but this article totally disses Rosenfel!
    Now some of you have posted making comments like, its the black players wanting to see Jackson in there and its a black thing etc. etc.
    I think Jackson is still raw, but the kid has a cannon, even helped the team make a playoff appearance!
    I don’t care what no one says, looking at the previous comments proves that black qb’s get more scrutiny than the white ones!
    The league is composed of 90% it players are black, but 90%+ of the guys under center and the coaches are white and you wonder why there may be a riff!
    Oh well, Favre is the starter they meet my boy Brady Quinn of week one! Someone has to get the beat down, to bad its going to be #4 on the reiceving end of it!

  79. purpleguy says: Aug 26, 2009 1:46 PM

    The “faction” supporting T-Jack must have been out behind the dome getting stoned with Percy or were bonked on the head with a pole while out drinking with McKinnie. I don’t care what his rating was last week, if you were at the game, you saw the same old crap — poor footwork, failure to progress through reads, and staring down primary receivers.
    Anyone with half a brain, including the six zillion cheesers who have to post on Viking articles since nothing is ever written on their boring-ass team, acknowledge that Sage is better than T-Jack. Most Viking fans, including the illiterate ones, realize that Lord Favre isn’t a savior . However, just like most fans, most Viking players are smart enough to realize that a beaten down Favre is probably better than both Sage and T-Jack.
    And cheeser posters, why don’t you try spellcheck before you call Vike fans illiterate.

  80. TheHydra says: Aug 26, 2009 1:50 PM

    Ragner,
    6-10 team??? They havent played any games yet. Im confused??? This Green Bay team has improved immensley through off season programs from what I can tell. They are faster, stronger, more mentally sharp, more crisp, playing at a much quicker tempo then they were last year. Again, this is 2009. We all want to forget 08. That performance doesnt fly in Green Bay. This isn’t a video game. you ask how have they improved? Well…they improved themselves. 6-10 will not happen again. This isnt video games or fantasy football. This is professionals lifting weights, studying, improving technique..all in the offseason. Thats the only way to get better and maintain success in the NFL. Scott Wells lost his starting job. Great problem to have. Bad for him but that shows you how deep this team is becoming. there will be a suprise cut ior trade of a linebacker or two. Another outstanding problem to have. yes preseason games mean nothing…UNLESS one team is completely dominating the other and that is what i have seen Green Bay do two weeks in a row. We’ll see where everyone lands in january but as it sits right now Green Bay in my eyes is a 12 win team.

  81. scorpiodsu says: Aug 26, 2009 2:25 PM

    Who cares? All the QBs on the team stink. They aren’t getting pass the 1st round if they make the playoffs. Favre’s shoulder will be torn in half by week 10 and the other 2 just stink period.

  82. leatherneck says: Aug 26, 2009 2:32 PM

    Phil Simms has now said that the Vikings would win as many games with Jackson as QB as with Favre.
    http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=3220
    I’m not sure I agree. That said, Brett Favre has proven absolutely nothing this year. If he doesn’t perform decently, I can see him benched. I hope he plays great. He only needs to be OK.
    The Vikings want to win.

  83. RagnartheViking says: Aug 26, 2009 2:34 PM

    Yikes Hydra.
    Basis for a 12 win season: beating the Browns and the Bills handily.
    You can leave your credibility card with the doorman as you leave.
    By the way, 6-10, that performance flew for 30 years in Green Bay.
    I’m not going to get into the ins and outs of the 3-4 and implementing it, or the ancient CBS you have or how Rodgers has played 1 really good year.
    Most of you Packer fans do not want to acknowledge any faults or weaknesses on your team.
    Anyway, as I have said, anything else in your post was shot after that 12 win comment.

  84. Yimmitay says: Aug 26, 2009 2:36 PM

    the vikings did exactly the right thing here, no matter who plays better.
    last year they almost had to blackout a PLAYOFF GAME…
    and by judging that there at 80 comments on this post, there wont be an empty seat all year.

  85. rollerball says: Aug 26, 2009 2:37 PM

    Per a Minnesota paper, Favre has his locker next to A.P. I’m sure he is trying to be a regular teammate and be liked. He was the epitome of the “team player” in Green Bay years and that’s probably one of the reasons he came back-to be on a team-one for all and all for one. I think he actually thought he shouldn’t come back and that was the reason he didn’t get the shoulder operation after last season immediately like Jet’s Dr’s said he must to start next season. We all have flaws but the only way I could see any player wanting T-Jack instead is if their opinion was garnered in front of Mr. Jackson.

  86. CdnMike says: Aug 26, 2009 2:43 PM

    Duan,
    I’m not even going to bash you because I know you aren’t serious about Quinn and the Browns beating the Viks.
    Look, I’m not trying to be a racist prick here but that fat, loudmouth republican was on to something when he said the NFL world is dying for a great black QB. Black atheletes are faster and quicker but for some reason they do not make great QBs.
    I’m not trying to put down black people. In fact, I’m jealous that I can’t run that fast our have as fast reflexes. I’m just saying that balck guys usually don’t make great QBs, but teams like the Vikings are trying to force the issue… in other words they are dying to have that first great black QB.
    And yes I said first. McNabb is definitely good maybe even very good, but he is not great.

  87. snowangel says: Aug 26, 2009 2:44 PM

    This reminds me of when that “faction” of Patriots players thought Rohan Davey should have started instead of Tom Brady a couple of years ago.
    Who knows now what would have happened had “Belly” made the other less popular choice? I guess we’ll never know…

  88. Carol says: Aug 26, 2009 2:49 PM

    Wow, talk about the belief of just throwing enough darts and waiting for one to stick. Your, “Locker-room Dynamic Specialist”, clearly spends more time washing Jockstraps than watching practice. Am I the only one that saw Tarvy throw a pass eight yards past the line of scrimmage last Friday?

  89. Tomb says: Aug 26, 2009 2:53 PM

    “…but as it sits right now Green Bay in my eyes is a 12 win team.”
    Agreed, but are we talking two seasons, or three to accomplish that?

  90. TheTruth25 says: Aug 26, 2009 2:57 PM

    Look, I’m all for sensationalism and controversy…it’s built into the “news industry.” That said, why does Florio only post one side of this type of thing (which conversely, “happens” to agree with his opinion). Jay Glazer (aka Florio’s bible) said himself on Dan Patrick the day after Favre was signed that the players were “ecstatic.” Why is this not a headline on this site? I have no dog in this Favre fight, but frankly, it’s really transparent to only make it seem like there’s discontent when legitimate reporters have stated the exact opposite. While you may not agree with what a reporter says either way…why is only one angle being played here?

  91. filmdude says: Aug 26, 2009 3:26 PM

    Jackson had 3 years to prove he’s inadequate as a starting QB. Jackson’s inability to perform as a decision maker would keep Vikings out of competition. Favre just gives them more time to find their future QB, while still competing.

  92. TheHydra says: Aug 26, 2009 3:33 PM

    Two or three years? Nope. This year. 11 or 12.

  93. LBPACKFAN says: Aug 26, 2009 3:34 PM

    Ragnar…
    Us “idyot” Packer fans are thoroughly enjoying this.
    For years we took the Favre bashing…still one of the most painful was listening to the morons on KFAN the day after Pharv tossed his INT vs the Giants in title game. They loved it. “oh he’s so bad in playoff games…he’s scare…oh..Favre…hahahaha”. Blah.
    Guess what?
    Pharv is your plroblem now. Packers have a QB this year…next year…5 years from now pending injuries.
    You are stuck with the guy you hated for all those years…a guy who cant commit…is old…and yeah, theres no arguing he’s lost a step….or 8.
    GO PACK GO!

  94. sand0 says: Aug 26, 2009 3:34 PM

    Tarvaris has always been well liked by coaches and players. He is a really nice guy and has been with this team for 3 or 4 years. It would actually be pretty sad if no players preferred him over the new white older dudes after all Jackson has put into this team.
    But the bottom line is that he was given every opportunity to secure this job for the next 6 years and he failed to do so. He was awful in the playoff game last season and awful in three of the other games. His record is 10-10 but really a lot of those wins were despite him not because of him. He is terrible against the blitz and teams use the blitz to counter AP. So he is bad and a bad fit.
    The irony of this rumor is that Jackson wasn’t even going to be the starter anyways. He is currently the third string QB. Plus the guy is extremely injury prone so what is the point of putting him in there anyways. As Chilly says, you have to be able to defend yourself.

  95. LBPACKFAN says: Aug 26, 2009 3:39 PM

    Ragnar –
    Boy you sure like to go back to last year. Why not attack the Pack on 2005 season as well? I am sure you dont want to discuss the 1996 or 1997 seasons :)
    Isn’t it funny the Packers sell out a game vs Lions…5-10 team vs 0-15…and the Vikings can’t sell out a playoff game at home? How sad.
    “Most of you Packer fans do not want to acknowledge any faults or weaknesses on your team.”
    Some probably don’t….at least our fans still show up to games though.
    GO PACK GO!!!

  96. Duan says: Aug 26, 2009 3:41 PM

    CdnMike – At least you were honest.
    But riddle me this, if black athlete’s are quicker and better reflexes, is there a stigma then that ability is pure natural and doesn’t call into any thinking?
    That is my point about the scrutiny or justification of lowering another position on the field compared to the QB position, such as wide receiver, middle linebacker, safety, or running back.
    I just think there is a stigma tied to the quarterback position. Whether or not a guy checks down and picks up the proper reads of the zone blitz package.
    Jamie Foxx said it bext in “Any Given Sunday” – ‘another dumb brotha getting stuck at another position for the sake of the team!’
    Well CdnMike – remember these names – Doug Williams, Randall Cunnigham, Warren Moon, Vince Evans and definately my fellow SWAC alumnus Steve McNair could play the game and the position and play it well!
    I can’t wait for the day a white cat comes back into the running back position, like Csonka and Riggins! Tired of hearing people can’t play this or that simply because of the color of their skin.
    But CdnMike at least you were honest and thanks for your honesty, I respect you for that and at least your keeping it real. Take care and I hope you see my point in the future.

  97. bbq says: Aug 26, 2009 3:43 PM

    Big Stretch said:
    “Brett Favre has been living off his legend for the last few years…”
    Two years ago, Brett Favre had one of the best seasons of his career. Last year, with the jets, Favre performed pretty much up to the expectations placed on a future Hall of Fame QB up until the last 5 or so games of the season (after he hurt his throwing arm). Especially considering that he was on a new team and a new offense for the first time in 16 years and he missed training camp.
    There’s not much irony in your name, Big Stretch.

  98. goravens says: Aug 26, 2009 3:49 PM

    I thought at first we needed Favre to get to the Superbowl (im a vikings fan) but now i think we could make it with sagevaris jacksonfels. If favre does not improve in the next two preseason games for the vikes and sage and tarvaris do better than him, then favre does not desrve the starting job and thats all there is too it.

  99. hayward giablommi says: Aug 26, 2009 3:55 PM

    snowangel says:
    This reminds me of when that “faction” of Patriots players thought Rohan Davey should have started instead of Tom Brady a couple of years ago.
    ^^^^^
    How about the “Drew Bledsoe should be benched for Michael Bishop” faction?
    Those were the days…

  100. purplehaze says: Aug 26, 2009 5:02 PM

    phil simms said………who cares what he said his son is a pussy !

  101. CdnMike says: Aug 26, 2009 5:14 PM

    Duan,
    Just to clarify, I do NOT think there should be any discrimination based on skin colour for any position. However, do you really think that the success of certain ethnicities at certain positions is coincidence?
    Maybe it is the culture of the NFL, but I don’t believe that. The teams want to win no matter what.
    I’m just saying thats some NFL teams (Vikings) seem to be searching for a great black NFL QB, when, in my opinion, there has never been a great black NFL QB. I consider all of the guys you mentioned to be good and at times very good NFL QBs but not great.
    As I said before, I am not racist. In fact, I think it is because I am not racist that I am able to take an objective look at the position without any biast.
    But I could be wrong, and maybe I don’t understand how good the guys you mentioned were. I’m only 30, so I never got to fully appreciate them.

  102. Ben Bernanke says: Aug 26, 2009 5:24 PM

    Florio…ripping on Favre again? Where have I seen this before?

  103. jimicos says: Aug 26, 2009 6:01 PM

    rollerball says:
    August 26, 2009 2:37 PM
    Per a Minnesota paper, Favre has his locker next to A.P. I’m sure he is trying to be a regular teammate and be liked. He was the epitome of the “team player” in Green Bay years and that’s probably one of the reasons he came back-to be on a team-one for all and all for one. I think he actually thought he shouldn’t come back and that was the reason he didn’t get the shoulder operation after last season immediately like Jet’s Dr’s said he must to start next season. We all have flaws but the only way I could see any player wanting T-Jack instead is if their opinion was garnered in front of Mr. Jackson.
    ————————
    Favre was not the epitome of the team player towards the end. He dressed in his own locker room, didn’t hang out with the other guys and he never helped the younger QBs. He threw the team under the bus last offseason, told the Jets he was retiring but still wanted to be released, etc, etc. In his early days he was not only a great player but also a great role model. Now he’s a caricature of himself and a compulsive liar.
    He’s still got the arm strength, though.

  104. jimicos says: Aug 26, 2009 6:08 PM

    Can’t we just settle this black vs white crap by saying scrambling QBs are rarely successful passers in the NFL? Some learned to improve in that category (Steve Young, Randall Cunningham). Others continued to use their running ability as a crutch and never improved as passers (Vick, possibly Vince Young). White scrambling QBs also fall by the wayside. Remember Eric Crouch? That guy thought he was an NFL QB. Ended up as a 4th string CFL QB behind Damon Allen, Michael Bishop and Spergon Wynn.
    But those are some great passers… On any other CFL team Crouch would’ve been a 3rd stringer.

  105. essdog says: Aug 26, 2009 7:11 PM

    you know what this all REALLY comes down to:
    1. From the sports media’s perspective, anything resembling a half-truth or even complete BS is news when the topic is popular enough. I know, speaking the obvious.
    2. From the players’ perspective, something this attention-grabbing and quasi-controversial is bound to generate mixed thoughts and feelings. At this point, it is what it is. I’m sure quite a few lesser teams would love to have this sort of “problem”. This train-wreck business is nonsense. The Vikings are easily one of the top five teams in the NFC and a serious playoff contender.
    3. From the fans’ perspective, either you like Favre or you don’t. And there can be a number of reasons for or against. There are some pretty legitimate arguments. But the level of adolescence that some choose to display is really quite classless. Unless, of course, you are an adolescent.

  106. Bigskyvikes says: Aug 26, 2009 10:03 PM

    DemocratsAreStupid says:
    August 26, 2009 12:29 PM
    This is the same thing that happened over in Baltimore. It is 100% racially motivated. The black players wanted Troy Smith and those who wanted to win preferred Flacco
    I just figured out why these Viking bashers are so impossible to see the potential of how great this team can be with Favre. Your name says it all, they are Liberal left wing whacko Democrats. I will now end arguing with them about this and wait tell the end of the year and type I TOLD YOU SO, 700 billion times, thank you for your help.

  107. seaner44 says: Aug 26, 2009 10:44 PM

    what it really comes down to is who gives them a better chance to win, not really a hard call there… the guy who has had an all star carrear or the guy who couldn’t beat Sage Rosencopter or Gus Ferrotte out for a starting job.

  108. mnmaverick says: Aug 27, 2009 1:33 AM

    The “faction” supporting T-Jack must have been out behind the dome getting stoned with Percy or were bonked on the head with a pole while out drinking with McKinnie.
    —————————————————————————————————-
    All the Packer naysayers are providing good comedy after the way their franchise did everything in their power to try and prevent Favre from becoming a Viking.
    Hypocrisy is flying like shit off the fan now that we have him on board. ; )
    BRING IT TALL or NOT AT ALL..

  109. RagnartheViking says: Aug 27, 2009 8:08 AM

    LB
    I go back to last year, because it is the most recent. Can you follow that logic?
    You added 1 FA and had the draft. 1 pick late to camp, 1 sidelined with a hammie injury, you are changing defenses.
    But we are supposed to believe that translates into 6 more wins?
    I don’t think that is it really. You jokers think you are going to win 12 every year.
    As for the sell outs, I’ll give you credit there.
    But stop and think about it. The Pack is the only show in town. Even if you go statewide(and I live here) The Brewers and Bucks are perrenial losers.
    Vikes are based out of the TC. Have a franchise in every major sport, and have alot of other entertainment avenues. GB is what 90,000 people? What else is there to do there besides hunt and drink(in wisconsin at the same time) and watch the Packers?
    GB is one of the few teams supported, win or lose.
    You fans are to be commended for that. Just because you are loyal though, does not make you any more knowledgable than other teams fans( boy, has that been proven here)
    But your line about ” we may be idiots, but at least we sell out games” is truly classic.
    Thanks for my morning laugh.

  110. TheHydra says: Aug 27, 2009 9:10 AM

    ragnar,
    Its not about adding players in the offseason like you would say in Madden franchise video game mode. Its about the core players you drafted 3 and 4 years ago getting stronger, more experienced, studying more, getting more familiar with each other. These players are excited about this defense and they will be tested Friday for sure. But so far its been dominant. Now of course the NFC Champions may set them back in the third and most meaningful preseason game of camp. But this Green Bay offense looks unstoppable thus far and Rodgers is going to be a perennial pro bowler barring injury. they have improved immensely from within. That means NOT adding guys but improving the ones you have. From what the coaches have said they see incredible progress from most everyone from this time last year. Thats how you maintain success in this league. you seem to think adding free agents and first year players is the way to go. I disagree. Thank goodness Thompson does too. Woodson and White. Those are the only two that have worked out in Green Bay. Woodson was a Thompson pickup. Great call. But 9 times out of ten they dont work out. Draft draft draft and develop. 95 percent of Green Bays roster is thompson aqcuisistions now. So this year we will see just how smart of a GM he is. I have a good feeling…

  111. RagnartheViking says: Aug 27, 2009 10:33 AM

    Hydra:
    Check out any coaches comments on camp and you will get virtually the same quotes.
    Every team adds 1st year players every year..it’s called the draft.
    Minnesotas recent Fa aquisitions seemed to have worked out quite well.
    As for Rodgers, he has looked good for 1 year, hardly a body of work to prejudge whether he’s a perrenial pro bowler.
    Preseason is a time of vanilla defenses and not showing you hand on offense. you just can’t put too much stock in it.
    Case in point, the Lions were 4-0 last year.
    The Packers were 6-10 last year, how you know if they have “improved immensely” from within,
    well, I’ll chalk that up to the green and gold glasses you are wearing.
    There is a reason TT was run out of Seattle, he wasn’t that good of a GM.
    I have a good feeling too, it doesn’t involve the Pack being a powerhouse this year tho.
    8-8 seems reasonable, to expect anymore than that, is not being relalistic.

  112. seaner44 says: Aug 27, 2009 11:26 AM

    you all know what it will boil down to, the packers eeking out the lions in the battle for the basement of the NFC north, probably 5 or 6 wins again this year, new defense is gonna hurt when you are going up against two maybe three good QB’s in the north and 2 Pro Bowl RB’s… Best of Luck but i’m pretty sure A.J Hawk and Kampman can’t play all 11 positions on the Defensive side of the ball

  113. TheHydra says: Aug 27, 2009 11:27 AM

    Where did you pull Thompson was run out of Seattle from? He is a damn good GM. Not many would have had the balls to tell favre no and move on. What a great decision that has turned out to be too! Is your knowledge lacking? Thompson was never GM in Seattle. He was offered a promotion to that position in Green Bay probably due to him building a Super Bowl team as director of player personnel. His ties with Wolf didn’t hurt either. Who is running the show up there in Minnesota? I couldnt even tell you. Spielman? Mark Wilf?

  114. TheHydra says: Aug 27, 2009 12:16 PM

    Seaner,
    I’m hoping Hawk gets traded!! We have good depth there and you don’t want to mess with that but I don’t see Hawk as a starter this year and I definitely don’t see him on the team next.

  115. Surfdog says: Aug 27, 2009 12:37 PM

    Favre’s streak ends when he’s benched by his newest BFF! Sweet!!

  116. Tjackfan says: Aug 27, 2009 3:59 PM

    Not sure why there is so much Packer talk on a Vikings story.
    Oh wait, I know why. It’s because the Vikings just sold out by renting out a 40 year old Packer QB who should have stayed retired in 2008.
    At least the Packers stuck to their morals when they decided not to go after ex-Viking Randy Moss. Actually wait, that was extremely STUPID. You should have given up that 4th round pick for Moss.
    Vikings fans have to see this Favre thing for what it really is. While I am a Vikings fan, I didn’t want Favre in Minnesota, so I can see his signing for what it really is.
    Favre single handedly gave the Giants a berth in Super Bowl XLII. Then he followed up by ending the 2008 season with an illegal forward pass.
    AWESOME!! Where is my Number 4 Jersey?

  117. TheHydra says: Aug 27, 2009 4:18 PM

    Tjackfan,
    You’re an idiot.

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