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More evidence that Rex Ryan is Buddy, part two

We’ve been fascinated by the early days of Rex Ryan’s coaching career.  For years, he was regarded as having the chops to run an NFL team.  But, as legend has it, he previously was passed over because owners (and General Managers) feared that he’d be just like his dad, Buddy.

Some league insiders insisted to us that Rex Ryan was different than Buddy, that Rex wouldn’t be gratuitously brash and belligerent, and that he wasn’t in the habit of overstepping his role.

But the weeks and months following Rex Ryan’s ascension to the head-coaching job with the New York Jets have done nothing to debunk the notion that Rex Ryan is a carbon copy of his father.

Here’s the latest evidence, and it’s a bit more subtle than Rex’s rants against Bill Belichick and Channing Crowder.  Jets linebacker Bart Scott, who played for Ryan last year in Baltimore and jumped to New York as a free agent, claims that Ryan was the de facto boss during John Harbaugh’s first year at the helm.

[Ryan] was the head coach of [the Ravens] last year, whether you guys know it or not,” Scott said.  “He kept that team together.  The defense leads that team over there, and he controls the defense.”

That sounds a lot like the stuff that came out of Chicago during the 1985 season, when Buddy Ryan pulled the strings on perhaps the greatest defense of all time.  Indeed, both Buddy and head coach Mike Ditka were carried off the field when the Bears finished off their 18-1 campaign, which culminated in a thrashing of the Pats in Super Bowl XX.

And though Scott has been a bit of a loose cannon in the past, if he’s genuinely under the impression that Ryan was running the show, Scott quite possibly picked that up from the words, actions, or demeanor of Ryan himself during the 2008 season.

Keep in mind that the Ravens didn’t promote Ryan after firing Brian Billick, instead bringing in secondary coach from Philly who had never been a defensive coordinator, and who had spent a lot time working with the special teams only.  Ryan probably resented the move, and he probably wasn’t able to keep his feelings completely bottled up.

For his part in this, Harbaugh is taking the high road.  “We don’t have any rear-view mirrors in our car,” Harbaugh said Wednesday, per the Baltimore Sun.

And that’s smart.  There’s nothing to be gained from getting in a verbal battle with a team whose head coach already has shown an affinity for talking tough.

Our point isn’t that Rex Ryan will be a bad coach (though as we recently pointed out some think he’s bad for the league).  The bottom line here is that, if Rex Ryan is hoping to persuade anyone that he’s not just like his dad, Rex already has failed.

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55 Responses to “More evidence that Rex Ryan is Buddy, part two”
  1. Abe Froeman says: Aug 27, 2009 12:34 PM

    I wish there were more belligerent coaches. They make football season even better.

  2. The Jimmy says: Aug 27, 2009 12:38 PM

    Personally I prefer Mike Tomlin’s “I’ve got a big windshield and small rear view mirror” but to each his own.

  3. ppdoc13 says: Aug 27, 2009 12:38 PM

    Bart is a blowhard. Always has been. Rex was the DC not the HC. You could see Harbaugh’s fingerprints all over the team last year. CMac was expigated and there was a real no nonsense attitude. That was not Rex, it was Harbaugh.
    I love Rex and really liked Bart, but lets see what happens. Bart may well be another member of the large club of Raven’s players who sought gold elsewhere, got the big payday, and then disappeard. Examples – Ed Hartwell, Gary Baxter, Make Keeomatu, AD, Kim Herring, Lionel Dalton, etc, etc, etc……
    Remember before Rex was Mike Nolan and we were a top 5 defense and before him was Marvin Lewis and we were a top five offense and the one constant was Ray Lewis. Big surprise.

  4. hayward giablommi says: Aug 27, 2009 12:39 PM

    Rex Ryan is an idiot who will be a mediocre head coach.
    And since when does anybody give a flying fahck what Bart Scott thinks? Just more evidence that, in this day and age, being able to talk a big game means more than what you do on the field.

  5. Hap says: Aug 27, 2009 12:40 PM

    Now, if only he would pull a real Buddy move and have Randall Cunningham fake a kneel down…then step up and throw a TD pass in a pre-season game. Then we would know he’s a big a douche as his dada was.

  6. endzoneview says: Aug 27, 2009 12:43 PM

    “The defense leads that team over there, and he controls the defense.” therefore in Bart Scott’s view, he was more of a head coach than Harbaugh.
    What’s wrong with that?
    The media is reading WAY too much into everything during the pre-season, I swear.
    The actual games can’t come soon enough. I’m tired of reading about this nonsense.

  7. slizz says: Aug 27, 2009 12:44 PM

    Somewhere, Mike Tannenbaum is banging his head on the desk…

  8. jusford says: Aug 27, 2009 12:47 PM

    Where’s the Favre update?

  9. vdogg says: Aug 27, 2009 12:48 PM

    Ask any of Buddy’s former players and they will all tell you the same thing, they would have jumped on the “provervial” grenade for him…in five years we might be able to say the same thing about Rex. I for one do not have a problem with a head coach trying to instill some toughness into his players. He hasn’t crossed any lines and said anything inappropriate otherwise The Commish would have put a muzzle on him by now. Players today are mostly prima donnas and can’t hold a candle to the toughness displayed by the games legends and past teams.

  10. nygreenmachine says: Aug 27, 2009 12:50 PM

    You know with all this hate that you have towards Rex Ryan especially continuing with the a whole bad for the league thing; something tells me your a Patriots fan; I think your just worried that he might just turn around the Jets franchise, therefore he won’t be bad for the league, he’ll just be bad for the Patriots and the rest of that division. It’s funny how your website is the only one reporting this non-story garbage, but everyone who has played for him or coached with, only have great things to say about him; someone they would take to the trenches of a war with…Florio I feell sorry for you and your hate… like I said before in my other posting the other day you will eat your words…the patriots are on there way down… its the beginning of the end for them… its a cycle and there turn has come to slowly but surely start sucking!

  11. LuvThatDirtyWatah says: Aug 27, 2009 12:52 PM

    Geez Florio, you always assume the worst. Always assuming there’s an alterior motive when someone is undermining someone else.
    Are you paranoid? Napoleon complex?
    What ever it is it’s getting old.
    Drop the pop psychology and do some investigative journalism.
    Longing for the days of plane tail number tracking and real rumors …

  12. bbq says: Aug 27, 2009 12:52 PM

    How do you figure that Rex Ryan is bad for the league? I love what he’s doing in New York.
    I love the swagger and the trash-talking. He’s creating excitement and fiery competitive spirit. He’s bold and he marches to the beat of his own drum. It’s refreshing.
    How exactly is he “bad for the league”?

  13. Rhode Kill says: Aug 27, 2009 12:56 PM

    ppdoc13 says:
    “Remember before Rex was Mike Nolan and we were a top 5 defense and before him was Marvin Lewis and we were a top five offense and the one constant was Ray Lewis. Big surprise.”
    Good point.
    Marvin Lewis goes to Cinci and doesn’t get it done….
    Mike Nolan goes to San Fran and doesn’t get it done….
    Rex Ryan goes to NY Jets and….????????????
    Get ready for the trifecta.

  14. Kevin from Philly says: Aug 27, 2009 1:00 PM

    Hap, you conveniently forget that the fake kneeldown was retaliation for Tom Landry rolling up the score on the Eagles replacement team, after the Cowboys regular team crossed the picket line during the strike year. It was a reverse-douching of the biggest douch move ever. Also, the play didn’t score a TD – it drew a pass interference call at the 2 (Eagles scored on the next play). Other than that you got it exactly right.
    Hopefully, Rex will be exactly like his dad – except I can’t figure how he’s going to beat the Cowboys twice every year.

  15. Alpheratz says: Aug 27, 2009 1:07 PM

    ……..hater hate hate blah blah blah
    Man up and make your arguments with facts and quit your name calling.
    Remember, hater = kindergarten term for those we disagree with.

  16. Hap says: Aug 27, 2009 1:11 PM

    KevfromPhilly,
    Yo doucher, Buddy was great in the postseason(NOT), UNLIKE Tom Landry who had runaway success. And Tom Landry never did anything out of spite. Don’t you have to be at a Oddfellow’s Local 151 meeting ?

  17. idio says: Aug 27, 2009 1:14 PM

    Rex Ryan: Brash? Yes.
    This article: Stupid beyond belief? Yes.
    Are you kidding me? So because a player on a team said this guy runs the D, which was the unit that carried said team, says the D coordinator was basically the coach of the team…. This somehow reflects upon the brash character of Rex Ryan??? how does that even make logical sense????
    If Bart Scott said, “Rex Ryan told Harbaugh he was the coach of the team because the D was the strongest unit”, then okay.
    So we’re all to be held responsible for words others use to describe us. Awesome. Glad I don’t live in your world.

  18. clemenza says: Aug 27, 2009 1:17 PM

    hopefully he will be like buddy,one of the best defensive coaches in the history of the NFL

  19. Nard100 says: Aug 27, 2009 1:18 PM

    Am I the only person who remembered to real Buddy Ryan. Yes, he took a really talented defense to the superbowl as a coordinator, but I think dead grandma could have taken that team and done the same. As a head coach he was a disaster! Inciting the defense against the offense so they wouldn’t even speak to each other?!!! What says desperate more than a qb bounty bonus? As a coordinator, gifted; as a head coach, not so much.

  20. ilovemidgetporn says: Aug 27, 2009 1:19 PM

    PPDOC- Rex was actually the asst. head coach and def coord for the Ravens last season.
    Anyway he should keep his fat piehole shut and based off the success of our Def Coord’s leaving Baltimore to become head coaches ( Marvis Lewis, Mike Nolan) he should concentrate on having a .500 season.

  21. DemocratsAreStupid says: Aug 27, 2009 1:20 PM

    let’s just withhold judgment until the games are played. they’ll probably finish 3rd in the division and hope that dirty sanchez will have a better sophomore season.

  22. gameday says: Aug 27, 2009 1:37 PM

    Of course Pats fans(bandwagoners) are hating on Rex. They know he is going to take over the AFC East. He is brash, and confident. nothing wrong with that.
    The Cheatriots run is just about over. Too many oldtimers and everyone hates Belicheat.
    Rex isnt afraid to speak his mind, he knows Belicheat is a fraud.Actually the league needs more Rex Ryans, and BTW, what is so wrong with Buddy Ryan,?

  23. izball says: Aug 27, 2009 1:40 PM

    and only 3 weeks til he’s kissing those rings….

  24. Choirdrunk says: Aug 27, 2009 1:42 PM

    I’m a Ravens fan and, like most Ravens fans, we wish Rex the best.
    He has a tough gig in NY. The Jets are at least one, probably two, years away from being a serious contender. When they flop this year, alot of heat is going to be on Rex that shouldn’t be on Rex.
    And though I never noticed it while he was here, I could 100% understand why a guy would have a chip on his shoulder about being passed over for a HC position after being a very well-regarded DC on a top 2 defense.
    Especially when the reason for it is douchebags refuse to view him as an independent entity of his father, despite all his independent, well deserved success.

  25. Bigbluefan says: Aug 27, 2009 2:02 PM

    Everyone needs to remember the one thing that really matters
    Its just the jets its not like its one of the bigger teams in the area
    The jets were formed so that folks who could not get into giants games could see the gman one every two years in preseason

  26. jamaltimore says: Aug 27, 2009 2:06 PM

    Bart Scott has a history of making stupid comments and penalties. No one should be suprised he’s doing the same thing up in Gotham!
    Rex, barely made it to D coordinator after several years of being passed over, I mean the guy got into a fight with his neighbor that was well publicised. He’s a lot like his daddy and proud of it!
    Like other posters have said Have at least one winning season as a head coach and then pop off. Ozzie, Ray, Reed, Ngata , 1 hall of famer, 2 first ballot hall of famers and One developing HOF’er are the Ravens Defense.
    Rex and Bart will be lucky to have 3 years with the Jets.

  27. Alpheratz says: Aug 27, 2009 2:15 PM

    Buddy Ryan’s last three Eagle years were double digit wins.
    A disaster?
    I guess like Shottenheimer was a disaster at 14-2 the year he got fired.

  28. descendency says: Aug 27, 2009 2:15 PM

    Jets suck anyways. No big deal.

  29. Plax's Right Thigh says: Aug 27, 2009 2:18 PM

    Nothing wrong with Swagger..
    At lease we don’t have to listen to that imbecile Herm Edwards at KC anymore, all the new head coaches (minus the relative unknow in Tampa Bay) seem to have a good head on their shoulders..

  30. TheDPR says: Aug 27, 2009 2:22 PM

    Harbaugh is a class guy.
    Ryan isn’t.
    Whether either of them is a good head coach still remains to be seen.
    That said, the Ravens are likely to do much better than the Jests this year.

  31. NachoBidness says: Aug 27, 2009 2:25 PM

    ppdoc13 says:
    August 27, 2009 12:38 PM
    Bart is a blowhard. Always has been. Rex was the DC not the HC. You could see Harbaugh’s fingerprints all over the team last year. CMac was expigated and there was a real no nonsense attitude. That was not Rex, it was Harbaugh.
    I love Rex and really liked Bart, but lets see what happens. Bart may well be another member of the large club of Raven’s players who sought gold elsewhere, got the big payday, and then disappeard. Examples – Ed Hartwell, Gary Baxter, Make Keeomatu, AD, Kim Herring, Lionel Dalton, etc, etc, etc……
    Remember before Rex was Mike Nolan and we were a top 5 defense and before him was Marvin Lewis and we were a top five offense and the one constant was Ray Lewis. Big surprise.
    The constant is the front office and Ozzie Newsome, Ray Lewis is a role player who’s lucky he landed on a team that consistently puts him in a position to look much better than he is. The reason Nolan nor Lewis have had success where they’ve gone is exactly where they’ve gone. What’s the best record of any coach for the Bengals since Mike Brown took over the team? What’s the best record anyone’s had for the 49ers in the last 20 years? That’s what I thought.

  32. Quagmire says: Aug 27, 2009 2:28 PM

    “(though as we recently pointed out some think he’s bad for the league)”.
    Bad for the league?…Not nearly as bad as lawyers are for everyone else.

  33. Jackal138 says: Aug 27, 2009 2:28 PM

    “Ryan probably resented the move, and he probably wasn’t able to keep his feelings completely bottled up.”
    Wow, Florio, that’s some crack reporting there. Two instances of “probably” in the same sentence.
    Good think you don’t have journalistic credibility to lose!
    Rex Ryan is good for the league. We need a coach to throw off that lame-ass Belichik-Reid “the media is scum and I’m going to treat press conferences like I’m being lined up in front of a war tribunal” mentality. So what if a coach is talking tough? That just means he gets it. Pro Football is a glorified, supercharged game.
    But I guess you love reporting when Belichik says “We’re not going to talk about that today”. That REALLY gets a lot of readers in, you know, between gameday calling people Massholes and hayward giablowmi chafing his lips on Brady’s knob.

  34. DC_Bengals_Fan says: Aug 27, 2009 2:37 PM

    Serious speculation on this one. Just because Rex is outspoken doesn’t mean he’s a jerk. His dad was both. But so far anyway, Rex has actually been very respectful of other teams – he gave respect to both NE and BAL while also saying he and his team isn’t intimidated by them. What’s wrong with that?
    Here’s the thing – if his last name wasn’t Ryan, he wouldn’t be getting this crap. Don’t make him responsible for the sins of the father.

  35. keith brodeur says: Aug 27, 2009 2:50 PM

    Rhode Kill says:
    Marvin Lewis goes to Cinci and doesn’t get it done….
    Mike Nolan goes to San Fran and doesn’t get it done….
    Rex Ryan goes to NY Jets and….????????????
    Get ready for the trifecta.
    Let’s not forget the most famous of all —– Cam Cameron!!!!! Very good OC, totally sucked as HC.

  36. tv says: Aug 27, 2009 2:55 PM

    The apple never falls too far from the tree.
    But, if Rex becomes a problem, just hook him up with Tony Dungy. He will get him straight.

  37. Frank Burns says: Aug 27, 2009 3:04 PM

    I said it the other day with my “like father like son” post, where ya been?
    That’s not necessarily all bad. Ryan at least spices up the most boring team in the most boring division. It’ll be fun hearing his trash talk and disrespect to Belicheat when they play the Patriots twice a year. And I have no doubt the Jet D will be a better unit because of him.
    I’m not so sure about Sanchez though, who could be yet another overrated USC bust at QB. But that’ll be fun to find out too.

  38. CleveDawg says: Aug 27, 2009 3:05 PM

    If anyone thinks the Jets will be a player this year, you’re deluded. They have a first year head coach who doesn’t have the brain chemistry for the position and they have a first year quarterback who had a total of 16 starts at USC. They’re going to battle Miami for last place in the AFC East.

  39. GeraldKeefer says: Aug 27, 2009 3:11 PM

    Why is it that any coach that actually opens his mouth and talks a little (singletary, ryan) is “bad for the NFL?” A lot of fans find their candor refreshing than the standard responses we usually receive.
    Oh wait…Coaches that don’t say anything are also criticized here (Mangini). Guess we just need more company men that don’t rock the boat in the NFL.

  40. Bwa Ha Ha says: Aug 27, 2009 3:21 PM

    There is finally a reason to be a Jets Fan.
    I am an Eagle die hard, and one day when Andy leaves, I hope Rex is ready to reincarnate the Buddy Ryan days. That was fun

  41. Bigredtuna says: Aug 27, 2009 3:42 PM

    Florio is nuts. I thought he was a lawyer. How could he malign Rex for being anything because of something Bart Scott said? It makes no sense to me.
    By the way, I was a huge Buddy fan when he was Head Coach of the Eagles. It was fun every Sunday. The guy we have now is boring, nowhere near as much fun and the past couple of years hasn’t put a good team on the field to boot. I wish they have given him the boot.

  42. NachoBidness says: Aug 27, 2009 3:54 PM

    keith brodeur says:
    August 27, 2009 2:50 PM
    Rhode Kill says:
    Marvin Lewis goes to Cinci and doesn’t get it done….
    Mike Nolan goes to San Fran and doesn’t get it done….
    Rex Ryan goes to NY Jets and….????????????
    Get ready for the trifecta.
    Let’s not forget the most famous of all —– Cam Cameron!!!!! Very good OC, totally sucked as HC.
    Cam Cameron left Baltimore to become a HC?
    “Jackal138 says:
    August 27, 2009 2:28 PM
    “Ryan probably resented the move, and he probably wasn’t able to keep his feelings completely bottled up.”
    Wow, Florio, that’s some crack reporting there. Two instances of “probably” in the same sentence.
    Good think you don’t have journalistic credibility to lose!”
    repeating the same word doesn’t have anything to do with reporting. Besides, you moron, it’s called paralell structure, which is grammatically correct. You gonna go all grammar nazi on JFK for using “Ask not” twice in the same sentence?

  43. 10mm says: Aug 27, 2009 4:26 PM

    Wish Wade Phillips was more belligernt
    GO DALLAS COWBOYS

  44. DemocratsAreStupid says: Aug 27, 2009 4:54 PM

    nachobidness says:
    The constant is the front office and Ozzie Newsome, Ray Lewis is a role player who’s lucky he landed on a team that consistently puts him in a position to look much better than he is.
    I’m not even a Ravens fan, in fact I hate the Ravens but that may be one of the dumbest quotes I’ve ever read!!!

  45. packerssuck says: Aug 27, 2009 4:55 PM

    The only thing worse than this post? People who still think the Cheatriots name is clever. We all know these people. They are the ones at work (if they have a job) that still think the same old tired joke is funny. Usually people duck into a bathroom or pretend to take a 30 second drink from a water fountain when they are walking towards them.

  46. VoxVeritas says: Aug 27, 2009 5:44 PM

    “Rex Ryan is an idiot who will be a mediocre head coach.”
    So “like father, like son”.

  47. VoxVeritas says: Aug 27, 2009 5:49 PM

    “Ask any of Buddy’s former players and they will all tell you the same thing, they would have jumped on the “provervial” grenade for him…in five years we might be able to say the same thing about Rex.”
    Check Buddy’s record as a head coach. .500 in the regular season, no playoff wins. For comparison’s sake… Wade Phillips is a better coach. .588, no playoff wins.
    There’s no doubt in my mind that Rex will end up as a carbon copy of Buddy. The definition of average, and no playoff wins.

  48. VoxVeritas says: Aug 27, 2009 5:50 PM

    “I am an Eagle die hard, and one day when Andy leaves, I hope Rex is ready to reincarnate the Buddy Ryan days. That was fun”
    That’s pathetic.

  49. VoxVeritas says: Aug 27, 2009 5:56 PM

    “Hopefully, Rex will be exactly like his dad – except I can’t figure how he’s going to beat the Cowboys twice every year.”
    Right, because everybody knows that Eagirl fans are only concerned about beating the Cowboys. In fact I think that’s been the objective of every Eagirls owner since the Cowboys were founded. What’s it gotten you? No Super Bowl wins, an overall losing record, and a losing record against the Cowboys.

  50. tom coughlin's coat holder says: Aug 27, 2009 6:13 PM

    gameday…belichek has more football knowledge in his little finger than that morbidly obese ass clown ryan has.
    as for scott,did he ever go to class?god,what a stupid excuse for a human.

  51. Darth Ringo says: Aug 27, 2009 6:47 PM

    “We don’t have any rear-view mirrors in our car,” Harbaugh said Wednesday, per the Baltimore Sun.
    —————
    Damn Ravens, always breaking the rules..

  52. mattitude says: Aug 27, 2009 7:10 PM

    There’s a difference between being outspoken and being petty. Even before you could hear the thuds of the sleds in mini-camps, Rex Ryan deemed it necessary to engage in an insult exchange with Channing Crowder. Class it up, Rex. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve always loved Ryan’s smashmouth approach to football, but he’s a head coach now. It’s time for him to act like a head coach, not a thug.

  53. mrzazz41387 says: Aug 27, 2009 7:12 PM

    Florio, why don’t you just go right out and admit that you don’t like Rex Ryan. Be a man, and come out from behind your pompous, biased blogs. You like to take shots of people, and then hide behind your pen. Get over yourself. You should write for the Onion.

  54. Ottawa49ers says: Aug 27, 2009 7:52 PM

    The shit apple doesn’t fall far from the shit tree

  55. Chris Rush says: Aug 28, 2009 1:53 AM

    Everyone here is missing the point.
    to quote Florio: “Our point isn’t that Rex Ryan will be a bad coach…The bottom line here is that, if Rex Ryan is hoping to persuade anyone that he’s not just like his dad, Rex already has failed.”
    There’s no “if” about it.
    Rex Ryan has said several times when questioned about his brash speech about Crowder and Belichick that he’s got to be himself, and that means everything that comes with it. So Rex Ryan certainly is NOT hoping to persuade anyone that he is different from his father. He is going to be himself, and that means taking the bad with the good.
    Will that bring scrutiny due to the fact that he’s got zero wins as a head coach? Yes. And he acknowledged that when asked to clarify his Belichick comments: “When I said what I said about Bill Belichick, I was just letting him know we’re in same position. He happens to have a lot of Super Bowl trophies and I don’t have a win yet — I appreciate you point that out. But you don’t just tiptoe through this thing…We’re going to be ourselves and I’m going to be myself and that’s just the way it is.”
    Tannenbaum knew what he was risking in hiring Ryan, but part of the reason he was likely willing to take that risk is because the players, fans, and media were tired of the opposite approach taken by failed head coach Eric Mangini. Had Mangini won, people wouldn’t hold his style against him. They criticize his style for the same reason they praise Belichick’s style (which happens to be the same). The difference: Belichick wins games, Mangini didn’t with the Jets.
    As for contentions that Rex’s words will cause other front offices to be even more wary of hiring his brother Rob as a head coach, I’m sure that Rob wouldn’t begrudge his brother anything. The Ryans are a feisty bunch, and none of them pretend otherwise. They simply know who they are and aren’t afraid of upsetting the status quo.
    The real bottom line is always the same when it comes to coaches: Their style means very little compared to their win loss record.

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