"Do over" ruling sends temperatures rising

We still plan to defer our own opinions regarding the league’s decision to leave the video board at Cowboys Stadium in its current location to this afternoon’s round of PFTV segments.

But that doesn’t mean we won’t be sharing the opinions we obtain from league sources who see fit to express their opinions to us.

“It’s laughable,” one source said regarding the decision to apply the “do over” approach if/when punts strike the monstrous, four-sided structure that hovers 90 feet over the playing surface and extends from one 20 to the other.  “It’s absolute bullshit.”

The source then rattled off the various problems that can and will arise from an approach that requires a team to punt multiple times.

As we’ve previously pointed out, the gunners will be gassed.  The punt returner, however, likely will be fresh.

Also, the chess match regarding punt protection and punt rush will have been compromised by the scuttled play, with each head coach having to decide whether to change things up or go with the same plan on the second try.

Gaffes on the “do over” effort — such as bad snaps and missed blocks leading to a blocked punt — will be magnified by the fact that they didn’t happen the first time around.  So if the second kick is blocked and returned for a touchdown when the first punt got off cleanly (until it was blocked by the mother ship), how will that not be perceived as an event that helps to determine the outcome of a game?

The source also pointed out that, apart from the competitive consequences, no one has taken responsibility for the situation.

“Who screwed up?” the source said.  “There needs to be public accountability for this mistake. . . .  The league and the Cowboys are sweeping the whole thing under the rug.”

The source went on to explain that this case is a prime example of the reason for the animosity that often exists between “football people” (who are criticized openly and harshly for blunders made in selecting or coaching players) and front-office/league office types who never face public scrutiny for their mistakes.

And, as mistakes go, the source said this is a huge one.

Our own views are coming later today, video style.

138 responses to “"Do over" ruling sends temperatures rising

  1. Goodell has taken a hard line unflappable stance on every other issue in the NFL since he has become Emperor, and to basically inact the same ruling that 8th graders would use is a joke.

  2. Since the damn thing is so obviously in the way just rename the stadium-“Mothership”-because that’s where all the footballs will be bouncing off of…………………………..

  3. Hahaha.
    The Cowboys are favorites to win the Super Bowl this year.
    I can see 31 other teams and their homely fans calling for an Asterisk because of this. lulz.
    Jerry Jones>NFL
    Nobody else could get away with this, which is what makes it so great.

  4. How high are the domes in other stadiums? Georgia Dome? Superdome? Indy Dome? Metrodome?
    Florio get your Hardy Boys on and do some investigating. The Cowboys should have used those are templates. Not some rule book.

  5. Do-overs could be a way to give a rest to the punting teams defense. If the punter intentionally kicked multiple punts into the space ship the game could be delayed until the punter felt the defense was rested and ready to play. 15 minutes of do-overs would be much better than calling a timeout.

  6. Is this the same “source” who told you Roy Williams broke his collarbone? Get over it. The NFL messed up. The rule is 85 ft., and the Cowboys went to 90 ft. Whether the rule is old and outdated is not the Cowboys fault. They went above what is required. Goodell should fork over the $2 mil to move it up if he wants to.

  7. Who are these “sources”? If they don’t have the balls to go public with their comments, I really don’t care what they have to say!

  8. jerry jones is the biggest egomanic ever. if they are moving the board for U2 why are they moving in back?
    i guess doesn’t really matter though since the cowboys won’t factor in the playoff picture anyway.

  9. Mike, don’t you see? The Arena League is coming to the NFL!
    It’s an experiment. Pretty soon, they’ll be able to catch the ball off the net in the endzone.
    I can’t wait to hear what Jerry says after one too many footballs crack or chip the screens, what a joke.

  10. totally ridiculous……….they didn’t even address that
    1) If a punter lines up to take a snap, has no timeouts, doesn’t like what he sees lined up on the other side of the ball, he can simply take the snap and kick the ball at the scoreboard. Since he will get a do-over, he can make adjustments on the next go-round.
    2) Also, what if a QB is throwing a hail-mary pass at the end of the game. He drops back, sees his man covered and just throws it high and hits the scoleboard (of course while making it look like he is “attempting” to complete the pass. He gets another shot right!!!

  11. This is ridiculous and needs to be changed before the season…its worse than the hill in centerfield

  12. “The source also pointed out that, apart from the competitive consequences, no one has taken responsibility for the situation.”
    Maybe because it’s not a situation to anybody but a few torqued-up idiots that get torqued up really easily.

  13. I would guess the league and Jerry are arguing over who has to cover the costs to move it (the league did approve the stadium design) and they don’t think they’ll be done with their pissing match before the season starts. So they’ll probably argue back and forth for the next few months and find a way to fix it permanently next offseason.

  14. “Gaffes on the “do over” effort — such as bad snaps and missed blocks leading to a blocked punt — will be magnified by the fact that they didn’t happen the first time around. So if the second kick is blocked and returned for a touchdown when the first punt got off cleanly (until it was blocked by the mother ship), how will that not be perceived as an event that helps to determine the outcome of a game?”
    The reality is that the punter will have affected the outcome of the game. You know it’s there. We know it’s there.

  15. This is a joke. Goodell isn’t willing to stand up to Jones. What a stupid ruling. Then when Jones’ Cowboys get screwed by it, he will bitch that the NFL should have raised it.

  16. And so it came to pass that King Jerry of the South decreed that if a thing is done in his name then it is law and the grand Pooba of the league listened. Jerry Jones is a freakin joke. He has set himself apart from the other owners and just thumbs his nose at the league. The bizzare thing is that the NFL (is the F for football or fairies?) lets him get away with it. I can’t wait to see what happens when the guys with the big hang times start having to adjust their kicking style. It amounts to an unfair advantage for the Cryboys.

  17. You guys are complete morons… Wait till somebody actually trying to punt the ball normally hits it during a regular season game, before you make all your judgements about moving the thing.
    If this was any other team besides the Cowboys, nobody would have an issue.

  18. You guys are complete morons… Wait till somebody actually trying to punt the ball normally hits it during a regular season game, before you make all your judgments about moving the thing.
    If this was any other team besides the Cowboys, nobody would have an issue.

  19. Jerry Jones is a douche. Hopefully the first team (and the second and the third) this screws over will be the cowboys. Since it’s their stadium, it’s a 50-50 chance. Maybe it’ll happen in December and ruin their playoff hopes. That’ll teach Jerry to stop being such an a$$ about this whole thing. Just move the stupid thing up.
    All he wants is media attention. It’s f’n ridiculous.

  20. As you have already pointed out (I think) the League screwed up by having the outdated specification of 90 feet. The Cowboys also screwed up by not testing it (ala the Colts) but the they ultimately built the damn thing to League specifications, so the liability rests there.
    That all being said, watch how quickly that damned thing is raised after the first few times one of those situations happens AGAINST the Cowboys!

  21. A do-over is exactly what 8th graders do. I remember the do-over well. I used the do-over when the othe P.E. class had to run through our game while doing the mile run.

  22. Cue VoxVeritas spewing some senseless, pro-Cowboys shit…
    It’s amazing to me that everyone sees this as a problem, but there are still some Cowboys fans on here trying to defend this bullshit.
    Listen, I understand that JJ “built it to league specifications” or whatever, but these specifications were implemented a long time ago. Rules change. For example, field goals used to be worth five points. Adaptation is necessary.
    Nonetheless, I don’t blame JJ for constructing the monstrosity, I blame him for being too egotistical and self-centered (might be redundant, but this is an extreme case) to swallow his pride and move the damn thing up.
    Goodell is the one who is the spineless POS who won’t do what he knows is best for the NFL. Funny how it seems everything has gone downhill for the league since he took over the reins, isn’t it?

  23. Come on! How often do they really think it’s going to happen? Tell the cry babies to shut up about it and get over it because that’s the way it’s going to be. It certainly seems they’re just jealous that they can’t have a nice a stadium as what’s built in Texas.

  24. The way I see it you chicks have 2 choices.
    1 – get over it.
    2 – find a new favorite sport.
    What can I say? Get over it. I think it needs to be moved up and I believe that it eventually will be but it’s not a pressing issue until it becomes one in a game situation. I don’t think it will be. My only concern is that it could possibly make a game that’s really long already longer still.

  25. Jerry Jones, whether or not he followed the rules is GOING to come out on the short end of the stick on this one.
    It would be a flat out miracle if he is not forced to move it.
    A). Just because it says in an obscure rule it can be a certain height does NOT mean you should believe and or go by what you read.
    If Jones was thinking on this one he would have invited a half dozen or so of the leagues best punters out to see just how high it should have been hung in the first place. No fuss, no muss.
    B). The outcry will be so loud he will be forced to move it.
    C). IF by chance the outcry is not enough, every time the ball hit’s the scoreboard, it will be a reminder of the blemish on Jones and his precious stadium.
    D). The first time the Cowgirls LOSE a game because of it, will only go to make Jones look dumber then he is already is currently looking.
    E). This “do over” rule could likely be a “trial balloon” being used to gauge public opinion.

  26. This is laughable,do-overs in the NFL. I haven’t seen a do-over since I was 12 Playing baseball in the neighborhood.Move the damn thing!Hell they are taking it down for a u-2 concert,so whats the problem?

  27. I said it before, NBC and ESPN have their overhead camera’s during there games and when the camera or wires are hit, they just play the down over. The Titan kicker clearly was trying to hit the board, probably on Fisher suggestion to take away from his teams poor play in that game.
    McBriar punted 25 times last night and not one hit the board, and as he says, you’re only going to hit the board if you’re trying to hit the board….
    If teams don’t want their Gunners tired after they hit the board, Punter will have to make adjustments, just like they do when kicking in Rain, wind, snow, and when they are looking for downing the ball for field position..
    Bunch of whinning people, Jerry Jones wins again!!!

  28. Someone tell your source (aka Jeff Fisher) to shut up. He made a power play by having his rookie go out of his way to hit the board, and it didn’t change a thing.
    Time to shut off the water-works and get over it. This ruling will, if nothing else, clarify what happens when/if a punt also hits a cable from one of those sky cams…or the camera itself.

  29. to put things in perspective…
    …can we get height-above-field of “video boards” in other stadiums ??

  30. You’re going to have to do better than ‘League Sources’
    ‘League Sources’ can be a freakin Janitor employed by the NFL or its 32 teams.
    How about specifying a little, wheater it be a GM, Asst GM, MAnagement, Asst HC, HC, Posisiton Coach, Offensive player, Starter, 10 year veteran……

  31. I highly doubt that many punts will actually hit the scoreboard, but if they do I think that the “do-over” rule is absurd. The NFL needs to step up and change the rule stating that objects need to be lifted OVER 85-90 feet above the playing field and then shell out the cash to have it moved.
    And for all of you insist on blaming Jerry Jones, he followed every letter of the law in constructing the stadium to NFL standards and the league approved it. He has done a lot of idiotic things, but this is not one of them….

  32. The league minimum for a structure above the field is 85 feet. The video board is 90 feet above the field. I don’t see how the Cowboys and Jerry should take the blame for following the NFL’s guidelines in designing the stadium.

  33. I can’t help but feeling sorry for all the Cowboy haters. If there was any doubt that Jerry Jones is one of the most powerful owners in the league, any doubt that the NFL signed off to the height of the screen, and any doubt that the Dallas Cowboys are indeed America’s Team and therefore even the commissioner thinks again before upsetting this organization… well think again.

  34. Another scenario. Wait until a player sustains an injury on a “do over.” Another reason to hate the Cowboys.

  35. For the sake of the “gunners” and punt team, don’t you thinks the kicking team will instruct the kicker to avoid screen at all cost!

  36. here’s another idea …
    with an oncoming rush, keep punting it into the board until you draw a bullsh** 15-yard roughing the kicker penalty.
    not so sure how the punter would feel about that strategy, but who cares, right? he’s the punter

  37. The “do-over”, while stupid, is really the ONLY option the NFL/Jerry have right now. The season is upon us. There are games that need to be played at the Jerry-dome. They don’t have time to close the Jerry-dome and move the Mothership, so they need to band-aid the situation and wait until week 18, when the Cowboys are done for the year after not making the playoffs, to make the necessary renovations. This nonsense will just be an issue for 1 season.

  38. I honestly don’t think its going to be hit that often.
    If anyone still has this on their tivo, watch the punt again. More importantly, Trapasso’s reaction when he finds out he gets to re-kick.
    He puts his hands together like he is praying and clearly says “Thank you”. He messed up his punt, and was thankful for the do over.
    McBriar was hit a 60 something yard punt in the 1st half that did not hit the screen. There were 12 punts that night, one BAD punt hit the screen.
    I say let a few games go by, If it continues to be an issue, then raise it.

  39. This whole situation makes the league office look like a bunch of incompetent monkeys and Jerry Jones a stubborn douchebag. I hope that if the Cowboys end up hosting a playoff game, the “do-over” rule causes them to re-punt ending up in a huge gaffe that results in 6 to the other team and another Dallas playoff one and done. We’ll see how much JJ stands his ground after that.

  40. I think this is a huge mistake. It’s a non-issue now but once the season starts it’ll turn into a huge distraction for the league. We’re talking about probably the best stadium in the league now. It’s a showpiece. Having this league’s actions mar that is self-destructive.
    They need to hire some punters to test the shit out of the placement and make public their findings. Move the sign if those findings indicate a competitive advantage.
    Goodell likes to portray himself as someone who makes the correct, hard choices. He’s copping out on this one.

  41. Jerry should have spent 2 billion on the stadium so you could punt without a ” Do Over ” but he cut corners and only spent 1.5 billion. I mean what do you expect to get for 1.5 bill these days.

  42. OH please, stop with the gunners will be gassed crap. If that is a possibility, tell the punter not to hit the freakin video board.

  43. Hasn’t anyone figured out that the team this will most harshly effect is the Cowboys?
    People in the Jones camp are acting like they’ve won the lottery. It’s their special teams that may need to go through an extra dozen or so injury-maximizing punt situations in the season.
    Not only will players face increased injury risk, the reason for that risk (i.e., a bill to shift the board) will be viewed as heartless organizational bean counting. This will not be good for morale or loyalty.
    The teams that should be happy about this are those that play in the NFC and rarely need to play in Cowboys stadium (a.k.a all teams beside the NFC East).

  44. Your source is a moron. He (or she?) actually said, “Who screwed up?”?
    Everyone who’s paying attention knows the league screwed up. The rule says 85 feet up, Jerry put it 90 feet up.
    This will just make the game more entertaining, and that’s a great thing. If punters aren’t smart enough to angle their punts, they don’t deserve their jobs.

  45. Im a diehard cowboys fan, and honestly I can admit that I would much rather have the thing moved up, HOWEVER:
    1. The thing is elevated 90 ft, and the guidelines only call for 85. No matter how old the guidelines are, WTF else should they go by when building a stadium? The mystical book of football stadium requirements hidden in some magical waterfall somewhere? Doubt it.
    2. I also, believe Jerry has alot of Al Davis like moments but he did put up 885 Million of the 1.15 Billion it cost to build the stadium. Would you want to throw around another 2 million in this type of economic situation because there are IDIOTS at the NFL that forgot to update their guidelines? I doubt if half of you had to pay an extra $20 because of some other IDIOTS dumb mistake, you would also give back a HELL NO. I bet if the NFL footed the bill it would get done, but I doubt we will see that, and for that I simply cannot blame Jerry.
    3. Dont forget the video board was created to be aligned with certain levels of the stadium so fans would be able to view it from as many angles as possible and see as much of it as they could. If YOU spent 885 MILLION dollars on something would YOU want any part of it to be half-assed? I doubt it. Especially if it this was due to an IDIOT.
    4. I DO NOT AGREE WITH HAVING TO MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS BECAUSE THE BOARD IS HANGING OVERHEAD. (I put that in caps for the idiots who will probably think Im trying to say its okay to make adjustments, obviously) However I do not think under a normal punting scenario the board would be struck. I do however think that in a scenario where a team is trying to pin another team deep and get a high hangtime it is very possible for the board to be struck. In all seriousness the board is not wide enough to go sideline to sideline. To prevent this from happening all you have to do is move the entire line to the left or right so that the ball when punted will not be in danger of hitting the board. This is a fact, but understand I DO NOT AGREE WITH HAVING TO DO THIS.
    5. AJ Trapasso is an idiot and I guarantee he was trying to hit it in a game time situation because obviously he knew he could (they did it pre-game) and he wanted to see what a game-time decision would be on it. In fact I would almost put money on it that Fisher told him to hit it, him being the co-chairman of the rules committee, he would have a special interest in this. You notice it didnt come up the rest of the game, and probably wouldnt come up as much as you all think it would.
    Please understand that I am all for the video screen being moved and I hope it eventually does get moved because I dont want to deal with possible repercussions of a do-over that would get blocked and returned against the cowboys. Dont forget this scenario has a MUCH better chance of happening to the Cowboys than any other team simply because we will play eight games there a year, as opposed to 1-2 depending on if its a division rival or not. So to call this a homefield advantage is the sign of an idiot. (Similar to the ones who run the NFL). You can all be pissed about the situation if you want but despite his irritating and Al Davis like demeanor you simply cannot blame this on Jerry Jones. Stop being haters and be realistic. The NFL should pay for it, and when they do Jones should move it. However the NFL doesnt want to pay for it, so you understandably cannot hold Jerry responsible. BTW I cant wait for Stephen to fully take over the reigns.. Its getting closer.

  46. Years ago Jones used to introduce Goodell as the “Next commissioner of the NFL”
    And now he owns him.

  47. I like this decision. If the Astro’s can have a huge hill in the outfiled, why can’t the Cowboys have the scoreboard set above the league requirement. And as always the eagles suck balls!!!

  48. Bullsh*t, if the gunners are gassed by running 40 yards on the only one play they come in for, then what are they really worth? You have WR and DB constantly running back and forth, up and down the feild. Please, come up with a better reason or just come right out and say your jealous.

  49. “The source went on to explain that this case is a prime example of the reason for the animosity that often exists between “football people” (who are criticized openly and harshly for blunders made in selecting or coaching players) and front-office/league office types who never face public scrutiny for their mistakes.”
    ^^^^^
    Which is why guys like Jerruh, and Mike Brown, who try to take on both roles, are doomed to be ridiculed in the public eye unless their organization is overwhelmingly successful.

  50. What is the point of having a commssioner and a competition committee if they aren’t going to protect the integrity of the game? Clearly this puts $$$ in front of the game, the players, the fans, etc.
    It IS pure BS, and if Goodell only has balls for taking a hard line when players screw up but turns his head and coughs when the Jerry Joneses of the league are so clearly out of line….then maybe Goodell-the Football Furher-needs to go back where he came from and let someone take over that truly speaks for the best interests of the game.

  51. OK, this is a long shot but isn’t this scenario possible?
    Let’s say a game is on the line, late in the game, QB under extreme pressure…scrambling…no one open…if they are anywhere near mid field why not heave it up at the scoreboard and get another “free” down with the do over rule? I know the Fox dude with the potato couldn’t hit it but I’m guessing that Jay Cutler could?
    Stanger things have happened and now that the NFL has given the green light you might just see some QB’s “warming up” like this in pre game!

  52. Totally ridiculous. I can’t help but wonder, if this were another stadium- say, Buffalo, or Seattle, or Jacksonville?- would the NFL still take the ostrich head-in-the-sand approach they took here, or are the glorious and popular Dallas Cowboys getting preferential treatment from the league?

  53. This ruling will change as soon as it hurts the home team and makes them lose a game. Not a moment before.

  54. 4th quarter down by 4 4:15 left to go.
    3rd & long. QB drops back. Sees blanketed coverage. Throw at the scoreboard, hit it. Live to play another 3rd & long. Get a first down, drive down the field, win the game.
    That is when the bitching will start.
    If im the QB(outside of Vick), you damn will better believe that I’m hitting the scoreboard.

  55. This is a joke. The Cowboys are a joke. I can’t believe this bullshit. Man-up, Jerry, and raise the damn thing. Man-up, Roger, and make him. Girl-up, Vox, and defend this.

  56. Florio you are a lawyer right?
    Built by league rule book – check
    Fully disclosed to the league – check
    Built with full league approval – check
    What exactly is the issue? If the NFL was your client, what exactly would be your legal recourse?
    People are pissed because Jerry used the rulebook and played them. He pantsed all your sources. LOL. He got a home field advantage for his team. This was no accident. He is a bad GM but he is also crazy like a fox. Now teams will have to spend time and game plan for the punt game.

  57. Actually, the do-over would balance tihngs out. Like you said, the gunners will be gassed, so the team punting will not be looking to hit the scoreboard because it would only affect them. While I think the league should have actually looked at the specs more carefully when the plans were laid out in front of them, they should force the cowboys to raise the board.
    It might end up being a gamblers paradise for prop bets, I’m speaking to the degenerate gamblers, concerning punt returns. Let’s say punters can’t punt as high as they would in a regular stadium. That means there is more room for returners to run, which means an increase in the likelyhood of long punt returns. Which also means more untertainment. Which means it’s a win-win-win for Jerrah Jones.

  58. If the powers (billionaires) that be are too cheap and stubborn to raise it, a much better option is to treat the scoreboard as “in play” and field the ball as it comes off it. That would be more fun to watch and eliminates would be injuries from a redo as well as:
    The gunners will be gassed. The punt returner, however, likely will be fresh.
    The chess match regarding punt protection and punt rush will have been compromised by the scuttled play, with each head coach having to decide whether to change things up or go with the same plan on the second try.
    Gaffes on the “do over” effort — such as bad snaps and missed blocks leading to a blocked punt — will be magnified by the fact that they didn’t happen the first time around. So if the second kick is blocked and returned for a touchdown when the first punt got off cleanly (until it was blocked by the mother ship), how will that not be perceived as an event that helps to determine the outcome of a game?

  59. whats next?
    some stadiums will have shorter or narrower fields?
    like major league baseball does it?
    big business = big government
    BOTH are only worth spitting on!

  60. They need to hire some punters to test the shit out of the placement and make public their findings. Move the sign if those findings indicate a competitive advantage.
    this what the Titans(?) did – they hung a bar 90ft up in the air and it was hit by the punters something like 1 out 3 times… didn’t Fisher say that the rule of 85ft is from the 1930’s… he was joking but he made the point.
    your question should be to Jerry Jones – did he bother to hire some punters to test it out… the answer is obviously “NO”.
    I’d tell my punter if he can hit 5 times in a row in a game he gets 100,000$ bonus.

  61. Golongboy, those aren’t even real options.
    1) kicker misses and he has just made a 5 yard punt
    2) the QB misses or throws short and what you have now is a toss up, with the ball still behind the line of scrimmage and a likely turnover.

  62. “Who screwed up?” the source said. “There needs to be public accountability for this mistake. . . . ”
    Blame Canada.
    Or the Bush administration. Seems to be the easy and popular cop-out these days.

  63. “Listen, I understand that JJ “built it to league specifications” or whatever, but these specifications were implemented a long time ago. Rules change.”
    This one didnt.

  64. Jerry Jones is the man. When he gets the NFL to pay for it to be raised, he should tell them to throw in an extra million dollars for a statue of Goodell’s balls.

  65. If you’re playing in Cowboys Stadium, you have the ball at 4th down inside the opponent’s territory, and you are too far away to kick a field goal, go for it, no matter what the yardage is.
    If you are in your own territory, have your punter try to kick it out the back of the opponent’s end zone if possible, to force a touchback.
    No use risking a punt return if you don’t have to.

  66. Vick’s failed drug test says:
    August 28, 2009 1:05 PM
    4th quarter down by 4 4:15 left to go.
    3rd & long. QB drops back. Sees blanketed coverage. Throw at the scoreboard, hit it. Live to play another 3rd & long. Get a first down, drive down the field, win the game.
    That is when the bitching will start.
    __________________________________
    And thank God there hasn’t been any so far, right?

  67. Juggernaut, well put you saved me from writing all that…as for the rest of you it is very scary how liberal views are slowly creeping into other parts of our society, and as it shows by these comments into football. The NFL (National Football League) has guidelines (rules that are written down for occasions such as this) state that any video board must be no lower than 85 ft above the field, so Jerry Jones did the most common sense thing when building the video board by hanging it 5 feet (60 inches taller than most people writing on this blog) higher than the guidelines state. How is this the Cowboys or Jerry Jones fault? Stop whining because you are an sheagles fan (open air stadium built next to trash dump), or raiders fans (play on a T-ball field). Go cry about something else this is a non issue.

  68. If this happened in week 11, I think the do-over would be acceptable. The fact it happened in the very first game, shows it is an issue. So what if the punter PURPOSEFULLY kicked it that high, if that’s how his coach wants it kicked or helps him make the spot it is supposed to land, that is how it is to be done.
    I bet if one of the cameras above the fields in all stadium was low enough, they would have CBS, NBC, ESPN raise those damn things…
    I guess we have to see how it pans out, but for now, it seems like Jerry weaseled his way out of this.

  69. Funny really, how many Dallas fans are defending this mind-boggling stupidity, when the reality is it will affect their punters more than any others. Buncha queef sniffing cooters.

  70. This will probably be the only time I will use the words “with” and “agree” with Vox in regard to similar postings about this subject.
    The board is above league minimums and they even had the league come to Dallas to approve it. Thus the league should pay to move it higher if this is an issue.
    Having said that this has proven to be an issue during the field of play thus there has to be some compromise between Dallas and the league. I do find it unfair since punts are bouncing off of it and it could have repercussions to both teams. I can easily see this being another Ed Hochuli type play of the year.

  71. Bob S,
    As long as the stadiums field abides by the league rules, they can change it however they want.
    By the way…Where is Norseman? Shouldn’t he tell us how Jerry Jones built the screen way back in 1971 to mess with the Pats ability to film other teams, or some BS like that?

  72. A do-over is the most ridiculous notion. It’s pretty evident that Jerry Jones likes the HUGE screen because it makes his stadium the best thing since sliced bread!!
    That being said, he DID compley with the league rules and the league approved construction. The league needs to step to the plate on this one and admitt their mistake and they should be out the 2.5 million to move the damn thing.

  73. Honestly, is this really a big deal? It should be raised, probably before the season starts. As others have pointed out, you have to TRY to hit this behemoth.
    That being said, are you trying to tell me that Jerry Jones doesn’t have 2 mil he could dig out of his couch cushions? His monster ego in this case would rather save face than do what probably should be done. Just do it Jerry and be done with it.

  74. There’s only one way to certify the height of the scoreboard. Have Vox and Hap take a lovers leap off the top. If they live, it’s too low.

  75. For those that say it affects each side equally I call bull. When you have an obstacle on your field you spend time adjusting to that fact. You get the advantage of practicing and knowing just what you can and can’t do. This is major because it wears out the kicking team, NOT the defenders.
    So since Dallas gets to practice and get used to it, this only affects the visiting team really. Advantage – home team.
    Also, since the board, if it gets hit often enough, will likely affect coaching decisions, another advantage to the home team. When you are deciding whether or not to go for it on 4th down, and you look at the field position, will that board push your decision towards going for it rather than punt? Of course, that one could backfire if the teams start making 4th downs consistently against the Cowboys lol!

  76. Here’s a question for ya Florio:
    I believe there is a college football game at the Jerruhdome next week.
    Has the NCAA addressed this issue and will they have any silly do-over’s if this scenario arises?

  77. Get your sources on the record or ignore them. If they have something to say, they should be willing to stand behind it, not hide behind you. Of course, if your source is the 2nd string punter for the Titans….

  78. @DWat393
    “Funny how it seems everything has gone downhill for the league since he(Goodell) took over the reins, isn’t it?”
    What the f*ck are you talking about? Care to explain in which way has the league gone downhill. God, people write stupid sh1t when they’re mad.
    I will say this, the only franchises that are vital, in this day and age, to the NFL are (in no particular order):
    Dallas Cowboys
    Washington Redskins
    Green Bay Packers
    Pittsburgh Steelers
    New England Patriots
    It is obvious that these organizations and their respective owners (except the Packers of course) are an elite group with certain preferential treatment.

  79. “They need to hire some punters to test the shit out of the placement and make public their findings.”
    Tests were conducted in the Alamodome to determine how high it needed to be.

  80. Better yet Florio, what if Jerry were your client? You would tell everyone to pound sand…
    It’s ok, we understand why you wont take this position… like are jealous of guys like me, Vishante Shiancoe, and anyone else of “locker room worthy size”, you are obviously jealous of the Cowboys and Jerry Jones…it must have something to do with your own “short”comings!
    LOL, JK, still can’t believe you scored on the NBC thing. To you and Jerry, well played man!

  81. A) I can’t believe this story has legs and B) I can’t believe that people are continuing to comment on it (and yes I understand the irony of that statement in this post)
    People, we’re throwing around comments about how this rukle will be abused, it’s going to wreak havoc on special teams play…HERE IS WHAT YOU MUST REALIZE to put it in perspective. This does not affect the entire league. It will possibly only impact 8 games played this season in Dallas. None of the other games, period. And in those 8 games, you’ll have a handful of punts on average in each game. And in none of those cases will the punter be trying to kick the ball down the middle…they’ll be kicking to the sidelines and away from the board.
    The actual chances of this rule being invoked in any of those 8 games is infinitesimally small. If it’s ever invoked more than once this season, I’ll eat my hat.
    Non-story Florio.

  82. For all you guys who want the punter or quarterback to hit the board to get a do-over, what happens if he misses. A punt ends up being 20 or 30 yards, the recieving team fair catches it, and has a short field. With a pass, think about all the Hail Mary passes at the end of games that you have seen. How many were caught, and how many were intercepted. The smart thing for any coach to do is to accept the situation, and plan around it. I will bet you that is what all the coaches, even Fisher, will do.

  83. “We still plan to defer our own opinions regarding the league’s decision to leave the video board at Cowboys Stadium in its current location to this afternoon’s round of PFTV segments.”
    Urlacher thinks you’re a pussy for waiting.

  84. SensibleOne = moron
    You do realize that 90 feet is only 30 yards high and that any average high school punter could and would hit something that large and at the height about 90% of the time!!!!!
    It isn’t a question of if this would happen in a real game, it is a question of what punters will have to do to MISS the thing!

  85. Im pretty sure a QB would have to have both feet planted and give it all he had to throw a football high enough to hit the scoreboard. Which would rule out it happening on a broken up last minute play because the QB would have to be running for his life. Its 90 ft above the ground, and depending on your field position could be even farther away for the QB to hit. Thats not even sensible, so stop bringing that stupid scenario up.

  86. Hahahahahaha,…
    Just yell “interference” and we’ll have a “do over!”
    What a friggin joke. I thought the NFL was on top of things more than ANY other sport. Now I’m gonna have to rethink that one…..

  87. Why didn’t they just have THEIR punter go out and measure how high he could kick it by hanging some sort of large item from the rafters where it was going to be placed (before hand) and see if he could deliberately kick the ball into it?
    AJ Trapasso sure had a GREAT time doing it!

  88. just another example of why the cowboys are worthless…i guarantee you the league wouldn’t have allowed any other team besides “south america’s team” to get away with this…
    i love the people who are like “no one will ever hit this thing” or “the chances of some1 hitting it are small”…typical dallas fans ignoring the fact that IT ALREADY HAS HAPPENED!! Why do you think anyone is even talking about this??
    it’s definitely going to happen, how big of an impact it will have is hard to determine…
    this is just another example of dallas’ terrible planning with this new stadium…remember the whole tornado incident?? jerry jones is a moron hu thinks he can do watever he wants because for some reason he continues to get away with it…some1 needs to punch him in his botoxed face

  89. haha if this rule is applied to QB’s, if there is a broken play and I was a PRO QB i would throw as hard as I could at the screen to try and get a do-over

  90. All pro football is about MONEY, and Jerry makes the NFL more money than any other franchise.
    What’s wrong with his ego being fed.
    GO JERRY GO DALLAS COWBOYS!!!

  91. There were at least three totally specious arguments here that I would like to address:
    1) It’s an old, outdated rule.
    Rebuttal: So is the one giving 6 points for a touchdown. Should they change that one, too? Should teams plan for more points, just because the 6 point rule is “old”? If it’s on the books, it isn’t “old” – it’s “current” and “valid”. Nuff said.
    2) It’s 3rd and long, and the QB can’t find an open receiver, so he hurls it at the video board in order to get a do-over.
    Rebuttal: Oh, yeah. That’ll happen. First, he’s got to fling the ball 30 yards UP. Human anatomy has a little problem with that, but it probably can be done. Second, he’s got to make sure he hits something, which means probably more like 40 yards UP. And if he doesn’t, here comes a wounded duck down toward the field where a hungry defense awaits the receiver going for the ball. Yeah, that’ll happen.
    3) The gunners will be gassed.
    Rebuttal: Tell the punter NOT to kick the ball that high in the center of the field. Angle it toward the sides, or kick a lower trajectory. Hitting the board is no one’s fault EXCEPT the punter’s (and whoever might have told him to do so). Doctor, it hurts when I do this; then don’t do that.
    That said, I, like others would like to see the board raised, if for no other reason than to remove one more reason for Florio and the other Cowboy haters to go thermonuclear.

  92. golongboyee = idiot.
    I never said they couldn’t hit it, I say wait till a punter NORMALLY punts it and it hits the scoreboard.
    I am not a Cowboys fan, I just think there are alot of people getting their panties in a bunch over an event that happened in a pre-season game. Let it happen in the regular season, before you start making up all kinds if rediculous circumstances on how if will affect the game.
    If a punter inentionaly kicks it 90 ft in the air, then the kicking team should be on the field kicking a field goal, since the only reason to kick it that high is to have huge hangtime for a punt to travel 35 yards

  93. So punters can’t control the height of their kicks?
    Sounds like something that good teams will overcome and crappy teams will continue to whine about.

  94. Dallas fans seem to think JJ has “won” something here. Personally, I’m waiting for the day when a “do-over” cost D the game. Be careful what you wish for…

  95. SensibleOne:
    When trying to pin someone inside the 20, punters do try to kick the ball more straight up so the gunners can get down field and down the ball inside the 20. This is a very common practice. This is when the scoreboard will come into play. And I hope it screws the Cowboys every week.
    And I doubt many teams want to try a FG when the ball is on the 45 yard line.

  96. That video board is a stupid idea and looks ridiculous. If you are going to watch that stupid thing stay home. The fact that that thing is hanging over the field distracting people from the game is the real travesty. What a disgrace.

  97. oh, and this is for u RogertheDodger.
    if u actually think punters should change the way they kick just because Czar Jerry wont move his video board, then u just proved florios point. punters shouldnt have to alter their approach just because jerry jones and his godly tv wants them to. that puts punters at disadvantage.
    and this is for “sensible one”
    you are not sensible at all. u say “let it happen in the regular season first”. well, no, thats what preseason is for. to work out the kinks to make sure no bullshit happens in the reg season. that was 1 of the dumbest comments ive ever seen. take sensible out of ur name right now

  98. c’mon guys…this post hasnt reached 1,000,000 comments yet…lets get going…this IS a Cowboys related one, you know…

  99. troll_aikman8 says:
    The Cowboys are favorites to win the Super Bowl this year.
    ——-
    Outside of Dallas-Fort Worth, nobody thinks this is true. But then again outside of that area, nobody thinks it’s okay to get a hummer from your sister. Life’s a little different down in Texas.

  100. i would love nothing greater than to see Jones lose all his money and live the rest of his life penniless.
    people with huge egos and bankrolls are obnoxious

  101. 10mm says: August 28, 2009 2:18 PM
    All pro football is about MONEY, and Jerry makes the NFL more money than any other franchise.
    ————–
    There the Cowboys fans go again. “Sure we haven’t won anything in 12 years, but, y’know, we MAKE THE MOST MONEY.”
    Excuses, excuses, excuses. Pro football is about winning, not about who has the most money.

  102. Roger the dodger says, “Tell the punter NOT to kick the ball that high in the center of the field.”
    …umm isn’t that completely altering the play of the game?? if punters now have to avoid the board that completely changes how they punt the ball…
    so if dallas decided to put a brick wall in the middle of the field, at the 50 yard line, are u just gonna be like “just tell the players to climb over it or go around it, the responsibility is on them”
    no the responsibility is on the designers of the stadium and the NFL to NOT put obstructions to playing the game in the F’ing stadium
    dallas fans are retarded

  103. i really hope this thing screws over Dallas…Like their in a critical game and they punt it into the scoreboard, do it over and then end up having their punt blocked…I WOULD LAUGH MY F’ING ARSE OFF!!

  104. Seems illogical to hold Jones accountable if he went above the league specs on the designs, and he had the designs approved by the league. It may seem like a big deal now, but I’m sure that when you’re planning a 1.5 billion dollar stadium, you run with the league guidelines on the “small” stuff.”
    As I envision it, the League should foot the bill for raising the boards. Jones is in the right on that issue. However, I figure the league is just going to let it ride until the Cowboys are hurt by the situation and let Jones foot the bill himself. Undoubtedly, he’ll swallow his pride if/when the situation affects his team.
    While Jones may be being stubborn about the issue, I have to agree with the previous post. If I’d shelled out 800+ million of my own money and followed your specs, I don’t think I’d be jumping right up to make additional changes once your specs were found to be faulty.

  105. unamed source? get real lol…….
    this isnt nothing but jealousy of Americas Team & its funny to watch the haters squirm like maggets over everything in Dallas. how can Jerry or the Dallas Cowboys be at fault for following the rules of the NFL? seriously….
    find something else to whine about bcuz everyone knows the ignorant rookie was trying to hit the scoreboard & if that punt wouldnt have hit the scoreboard then it would have went 20 yards at the most.
    i dont see it being a problem when games count bcuz no one punts straight up & most kicks are directional to make the field smaller. if this was such a huge problem then why wasnt it addressed 2 years ago when it was approved? the NFL would also recieve millions in law suits bcuz people who bought tickets/luxary suites for the up close game experience wouldnt get what they paid for. so this is deeper then Jerry getting his way or the Dallas Cowboys so find something else to whine about…
    this is for the fans of Dallas & it wasnt meant to make all the Cowboy haters happy.
    i cant wait to watch the Cowboys in there new Stadium & i really cant wait for some ignorant punter to try & hit it so he can face the gunners on the plane ride home! DO OVER!

  106. If I was another team, I’d put some kinda annoying “mothership” up in my stadium and lower it to 85 feet ONLY when the other team is punting. Then raise it up when my team is punting. That would send quite a message, wear out the other teams punt coverage team repeatedly.

  107. If I was another team, I’d put some kinda annoying “mothership” up in my stadium and lower it to 85 feet ONLY when the other team is punting. Then raise it up when my team is punting. That would send quite a message, wear out the other teams punt coverage team repeatedly, as well as forcing them to punt line drives for a better return for my team.

  108. By the way, I’m not an idiot Cowboys fan, I’m an idiot Vikings fan. And I think the NFL should pay to move the stadium. However, this isn’t the end of the world as most seem to think.
    The average punter punts a little over 3 times a game over a season (I picked Hunter Smith’s 2008 stats). So that makes maybe 6 to 7 punts in a single game. There will be 8 home games played this year.
    So all of this uproar is over a total of maybe 50 to 55 punts that would be subject to this rule. Now, I can gaurantee you that the Cowboys punter will never hit the damn thing (or face a Jerry Jones firing squad).
    So realistically, 25ish punts would possibly be impacted by this rule. What are the odds, situationally, that any of those 25 punts might be positioned so that the punter would be forced to punt high, in the middle of the field as opposed to angling towards the sidelines? I’d say a small percentage, but what the hell, I’ll give you a full 1/4 of those punts.
    So, now we are talking about 6 punts that situationally are at risk of hitting the board all season. So now you finally have to factor two things, A) the odds that the punters punting those 6 punts are among those who have the best legs and can hit the damn thing and B) that they are unlucky enough to hit the damn thing on ANY of those 6 punts.
    The statistical probability of it happening is extremely small.
    Yes it happened in a pre-season game already, but the Titans punter was practicing hitting it in warmups, and Jeff Fischer had an interest in hitting it. If it gets hit in the pre-season, he bails out the NFL by forcing the competition committee to address the rule, prior to it embarrassing the league in a reg season game and they don’t have a rule for it.
    Bottom line, it’s not happening in the regular season, and it sure as hell aint happening twice. Overblown story is overblown.

  109. 4th down and less than 5 with a defensive penalty for something like offsides will usually result in a 1st down for the kicking team. With this new rule, the defense will catch a break if the punt hits the scoreboard because the only penalties to be enforced are personal fouls. It will be 4th down again.
    Unlike madmike who sees it as statistically unlikely to happen again, I’d say that since it’s happened already, it’s unlikely that it WON’T happen again.

  110. Please address this question in post Mr. Florio.
    They say if the ball hits the board, the whole thing is a “do over”
    What if the ball hits the video board, but there was an offsides OR a roughing the punter during that “non-play”?
    Also, if there is a “do over”, and the next punt gets blocked, won’t the punting team be really really pissed?

  111. And to follow up on the questions in the previous post regarding the “do overs”.
    If for instance, a second punt (because of the do over), gets blocked during the playoffs. All bloody hell will break loose, don’t you think?

  112. I can just picture it…
    The League: Mr. Jones please, the Behemoth needs to be moved, it isn’t fair.
    Jerry Jones: NO! I don’t wanna do that!
    The League: Well, it’s just that a team’s entire season could be destroyed by that, that Monster!
    Jerry Jones: Well I don’t care! My team is underachieving so I have to help them in any way I possibly can…
    The League: Very well Mr. Jones you can keep it there.
    Jerry Jones: Yes! Yes! Woohoo!

  113. And to follow up on the questions in the previous post regarding the “do overs”.
    If for instance, a second punt (because of the do over), gets blocked during the playoffs. All bloody hell will break loose, don’t you think?
    that would imply that the cowboys were going to make the playoffs…. wouldn’t it?

  114. “If for instance, a second punt (because of the do over), gets blocked during the playoffs. All bloody hell will break loose, don’t you think?”
    Purely hypothetical. The sun has a better chance of collapsing into a black hole and destroying us all.

  115. All you haters out there are giving JJ exactly what he wants…publicity…Thank you!!!
    Most of you haters think it’s as easy as getting a crane out there and just move it up…well, as usual, you are so fast and easy to spew your hate that you make yourselves look like idiots. You have no idea what it would take to make that kind of an adjustment. If it costs 2mil it can’t be an easy fix.
    Goodell just wants to see what happens this season and if it needs to be moved it will be. The Cowboy’s punter said it would be a non issue for him and ALL the good punters in the league because they use directional punting and the thing isn’t as wide as the hashmarks on the field!! The only people who will hit it are the ones TRYING to hit it and that will only hurt their team by gassing THEM up and down the field, not the receiving team.

  116. SensibleOne = absolute f-ing moron.
    The point isn’t if the punter will hit the scoreboard or not……..the point is 1)how easily the scoreboard can be used as a tool to gain an advantage and 2) the impacts of that……..
    One doesn’t sit back and see,…..gee, let’s see what happens…….and, in this case, we have already seen what happens…….the issue isn’t the scoreboard, it is the freakin’ “Do OVER” rule. It opens up a whole can of worms.
    The punter could punt around the scoreboard and that would be at least semi-fair because both punters in the game would have to do the same thing.
    The board should be considered within the field of play, at least in the short-term just like the referees are…….
    and again, to all you morons that are saying it would not be done in a real game….baloney……the scoreboard is 90 feet high, only 30 yards high…..do you know how easy it is to punt a ball 30 yards straight up in the air?…..pretty damn easy.
    The only real options are 1) move the damn thing or 2) leave it and make it part of the field of play…..only options

  117. Roger the Dodger = Idiot #2
    2) It’s 3rd and long, and the QB can’t find an open receiver, so he hurls it at the video board in order to get a do-over.
    Rebuttal: Oh, yeah. That’ll happen. First, he’s got to fling the ball 30 yards UP. Human anatomy has a little problem with that, but it probably can be done. Second, he’s got to make sure he hits something, which means probably more like 40 yards UP. And if he doesn’t, here comes a wounded duck down toward the field where a hungry defense awaits the receiver going for the ball. Yeah, that’ll happen
    How does human anatony have a problem with throwing the ball 30 yards in the air???????are you really this stupid. This would be easy to do.
    Hitting something that size at 40 yards is a piece of cake! Plus if it is 3rd and long (in your arguement) and the QB misses, it will not be a wounded duck. If the other team is stupid enough to actually catch it…..it would still be good as a punt……..

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