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Packers putting it to the defending NFC champs

We rarely read much into the preseason, since it’s basically glorified practice with a full-price ticket.

But the next-to-last preseason game gets plenty of focus, because it’s essentially a dry run for the coming year.

If that’s the case for the defending NFC champions, the Cardinals could be in the process of drilling a dry hole.

Through the first half of Friday night’s game between Arizona and Green Bay, the Packers have pinballed the Cards for 38 points and 357 yards.  (It could have been worse; a late touchdown was called back due to a penalty, and Mason Crosby missed a 29-yard field goal as that drive fizzled.)

The outcome isn’t really shocking.  We’ve been saying that the expectations for the 2009 Cardinals are way too high, given significant turnover in the coaching staff and a team that barely finished the 2008 season on the right side of .500.

Of the Cardinals’ seven losses last year, they gave up on average more than 44 points in five of them.

The Packers, on the other hand, have been a bit of an enigma.  The offense is expected to be sharp, and quarterback Aaron Rodgers is looking more and more like the mid-1990s version of the guy they pitched overboard in 2008.  But the defense is the big question mark, as the Pack are installing a new 3-4 attack.  Allowing only 10 points to the high-octane Arizona offense should help them build confidence.

At this point, it’s hard to tell whether the Cardinals will be really bad or the Packers will be really good or whether it’ll be a little of both.  But, for now, it’s clear that Green Bay is firing on all cylinders — and that the Cardinals might still be sniffing the fumes of an unlikely playoff run that is, for all practical purposes, ancient history.

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  1. MkePackFan says: Aug 28, 2009 11:44 PM

    The one drawback for the Packers is the yardage given up in the middle of the field.
    With that said, 4 forced fumbles, 1 INT, 3 turnovers, and 7 points on a fumble recovery, hard to argue against the results.
    The Legion of DOM (Capers)

  2. ShimSham says: Aug 28, 2009 11:45 PM

    @richeisen In the preseason, Green Bay’s starters have outscored their opponents’ starters 73-10. That’s as of halftime during the 3rd preseason game.

  3. SATAN says: Aug 28, 2009 11:45 PM

    Warner’s kids should be pretty busy this week trying to take the football away from him

  4. myasylum says: Aug 28, 2009 11:46 PM

    Yea, they are on fire! Rodgers is looking AMAZING!
    I didn’t expect that at all!!

  5. Erik the Red says: Aug 28, 2009 11:47 PM

    Florio – I don’t think the Packers defense is as much of a question mark as you seem to indicate. The Packers will probably have some bad games this year, but the aggressive nature of scheme will help cover up for some missed coverages. Also, Dom Capers is only showing about 1/3 of his playbook. Imagine when he lets loose his entire playbook against the Bears in week 1.

  6. ZaphodBeeblebrox says: Aug 28, 2009 11:49 PM

    Greg Bedard (Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel) indicated he heard from a former Cards beat writer, now working for AZCardinals.com, that the Cardinals did not game plane for the Packers.
    The real question is whether this game tells more about the Cardinals or the Packers. Aaron Rodgers has been playing lights out and the new Packer D has been a turnover machine (3 in the first half). I’m hopeful this carries over to the regular season…

  7. rudedog36 says: Aug 28, 2009 11:49 PM

    The packers are going to be really good this year. Really good.
    Bring on the Brent lovers.

  8. jimicos says: Aug 28, 2009 11:50 PM

    Yeah, yeah, yeah.. But do they live in Green Bay in the offseason?
    Huh? HUH!

  9. Hauschild says: Aug 28, 2009 11:52 PM

    I’ve been saying all preseason that the Pack has a formidable offense – I don’t see a more potent passing attack in all of football. And, with this type of offense, even a decent defense will be enough.
    Keep in mind Green Bay plays one of the easiest schedules in the NFL, which should translate into home field advantage in the playoffs.

  10. jrmbadger says: Aug 28, 2009 11:56 PM

    Go Pack!
    The Pack starters took both Cleveland and Buffalo to the woodshed as well. The offense has been firing on all cylinders and the D has been pretty good and has been forcing a huge number of turnovers. I think they’ve had at least 3-4 a game. Not bad. I’m optimistic
    Still it is preseason (lions went 4-0 last year in preseason), and I won’t exhale on the 3-4 defense until the purple #4 is firmly buried in the metrodome turf after a crushing defeat.
    Rodgers > Favre

  11. nosferatu says: Aug 29, 2009 12:29 AM

    Wow I know its preseason but wow

  12. Rossum20 says: Aug 29, 2009 12:30 AM

    Packers are going to run away with the North. Rodgers will be making an MVP run this season.

  13. mborz says: Aug 29, 2009 12:34 AM

    None of the preseason games matter, not even the third one.
    Detroit went 4-0 in the preseason last year. They won their third game by 20 points.

  14. Vikes-N-Favre says: Aug 29, 2009 12:39 AM

    I wonder why? They get so many plays called in there favor. Mr. “I was raised in the back of a U-Haul” Driver pushes off a defender and the defender that gets pushed gets called for defensive pass interference when it should have been called offensive pass interference.
    Just wait until a real defense gets a hold of that useless team. You think a safety on that cross eyed Aaron Rodgers last season by the QB Stalker Jared Allen was bad, wait till he rips his head off his shoulders this year, helmet and all. Our defense is simply to good for that offense to move the ball.
    GB better be prepared to pass the ball 50 times in those games, because that useless RB you have doesn’t stand a chance against the best run defense in the NFL 3 seasons and counting.
    Good luck 6-10 Ass Packers, you are going to need it.

  15. jorge says: Aug 29, 2009 12:45 AM

    Any smart football fan will tell you that you can’t get too excited about a preseason game, but if the Pack continues to smash opponents like the way they’re doing it from both sides of the ball (especially on defense!) If this carries over into the regular season then the Black and Blue division better be on high alert! this defense is officially serving notice to the North.

  16. lebowski says: Aug 29, 2009 12:59 AM

    Vikes-N-Favre has had all day to drink and come up with stupid comments. Real tough talk.

  17. EMan says: Aug 29, 2009 1:03 AM

    The Pack will stink it up like they always do.

  18. packerpacker says: Aug 29, 2009 1:03 AM

    “Our defense is simply (TOO) good for that offense to move the ball.”
    It seems you’re about as uneducated as the Vikings coaches…
    When the ‘cash for clunkers’ program fails in MN you’re welcome over here in GB unless you want to root for the Vikings in LA.

  19. Razon says: Aug 29, 2009 1:03 AM

    Yes, Vikes-N-Favre (> Superbowl) that #18 rated pass defense is very scary.
    And are you talking about the same defense that allowed over 20 points to the Packers twice? Just wondering.

  20. LGC = Let's Go Cardinals says: Aug 29, 2009 1:03 AM

    Oh thats wierd, Florio is making a large, attention grabbing post that is anti-Cardinals. If that is not enough, he goes on to point out all the team’s shortcomings from last year and do his best to hope and pray they have a terrible season coming up.
    Is it your affiliation with a second tier school like West Virginia that causes you to hate on the Cardinals or can you really believe there are any better teams in the NFC West?

  21. AR says: Aug 29, 2009 1:08 AM

    to Vikes-M-Favre
    looks like someones real scared!!!! get fuct buddy! come see me on my street

  22. chip-dip says: Aug 29, 2009 1:09 AM

    First, love the pack.
    But – Wells and Hightower had 76 yards on something like 10 carries in the first half. I don’t think AZ was running on anyone last year, either. I didn’t see the game and I hope our best lineman weren’t in there for all that.
    Even Chilly is going to figure this one out. Is may be time to trade Bishop, J Nelson, Wells or someone else for some D-line help?
    The offense did look awesome.

  23. GoBears says: Aug 29, 2009 1:14 AM

    You just made light of someone growing up on the streets with his mother, over what, a football game?
    Do you even think the men on either of those teams hate each other as much as you hate the Packers? And why? Is your life so empty and pathetic?
    Why do you even watch football? To channel all that misplaced anger and aggression you have over you’re terrible life?
    It’s a game, it’s fun to watch. Growing up homeless isn’t a game, it’s a serious issue. You should be ashamed of yourself.
    Oh and nice burn, Ass Packers. Quit projecting.

  24. jimicos says: Aug 29, 2009 1:14 AM

    Who needs to run on them when their pass defense is as bad as the Vikings? Ranked 14th, 12th and 13th the last three years.

  25. jimicos says: Aug 29, 2009 1:23 AM

    Vikes-N-Favre says:
    August 29, 2009 12:39 AM
    Just wait until a real defense gets a hold of that useless team.
    —————————-
    Yeah, just wait until last year’s 13th ranked defense (by points allowed) gets a hold of them.. Wait a minute. The Bills were ranked 14th and the Browns 16th. Nevermind.
    And it’s really funny to see a fan of Cris Carter’s old team complain about Donald Driver getting away with a push off. Keep it up, VNF. It’s good stuff.

  26. The Freakin' Deacon says: Aug 29, 2009 1:24 AM

    It’s been said before and let me say it again…
    In 2009, Rodgers>Favre

  27. myasylum says: Aug 29, 2009 1:39 AM

    It is true their running backs are pretty weak.

  28. hrmlss says: Aug 29, 2009 1:45 AM

    Vikes-N-Favre go back to your parent’s basement, and buy some slim-fast. Then get back on your meds and come into reality. Unlike most of our worthless compatriots you might realize before October you season is already over, due to the drama queen you just signed to QB the Vice-Queens. That said, after Monday, when Favre gets planted in the turf 3 times by Mario ( > Reggie) Williams, and re retires, you will be hoping the two fat roid using toads in the middle of your d-line are still available after the Federal Court overrules the corrupt season ticket holding state judge that ruled in their favor. By the way, Vikes-N-Favre how in the hell do you waddle out of your parents basement to get to your job at the used computer games store? Mark my words, all Favre wants out of this season is 2 (two) starts so he can pass Jim Marshall for the all time starts record, then he’ll mail it in. It’s all about Brett. Learn it and live it like we did.

  29. GobiasINC_1 says: Aug 29, 2009 1:47 AM

    Oh, Vikes-N-Favre, you seem to have a welcome space among your ignorant Favre loving brethren. Plus, it seems you are a Vikings fan, so basically you’re dumb as a box of rocks and classless to boot.
    Mr. “I was raised in the back of a U-Haul”?
    That is by far the dumbest thing anyone has ever written on this site. And yet you root for Jared Allen, who is on his last legs with the NFL for driving drunk on numerous occasions. And now you seem to root for the man from 1993 – 1995 fell asleep behind the wheel coming home from Green Bay bars on an almost nightly basis.
    And yet, you point out how Driver had to overcome homelessness to reach the top of the NFL. You stay classy, Minnesota. I look forward to your ‘intelligent’ fans to come into Lambeau, leave when your team starts losing, and then return if they make a come-back, bragging like you’ve won the Super Bowl. Then cry when the Packers come out on top.
    Seriously, could Favre-fans get any more ignorant?

  30. bakler5 says: Aug 29, 2009 1:49 AM

    Vikes-N-Favre, you are kidding right? You have to be. In 4 games against the vikes, 1 in which he only had 3 carries, Ryan Grant has 56 carries for 303 yds and 2 tds. That is an average of 5.4 ypc. Take your number 1 rush defense and shove it. Vikings fans are the absolute dumbest in the NFL. You complain about penalties even when it doesn’t involve your own team! Get a life man.

  31. bakler5 says: Aug 29, 2009 1:50 AM

    I guess if I was nervous about the upcoming season I would be getting all defensive and trying to make fun of other teams too tho.

  32. whatthehellisgoingonoutthere says: Aug 29, 2009 1:53 AM

    Vikes-N-Favre, is clearly in denial. Especially considering the Rodgers safety wasn’t even really a safety and the Packers gave them an extra chance to win the game after the missed field goal which would have made it 6 wins in a row. Keep drinking the purple Kool Aid, but I guarantee you Rodgers will be the #1 QB in the NFC North and you will still end up with the worst QB in the division. Even the QB’s in Detroit have legit receivers to throw to. Berrian would be a nice #3 receiver, even if he wouldn’t even crack the top 5 for the Packers.

  33. DocBG says: Aug 29, 2009 2:13 AM

    TypicalPackerFan says:
    Everyday of the week, regardless of time
    Those games the vikings win are completely BS, oh wow guys, way to move against some backups.
    The games that the packers win, those are the only ones that count, WE WILL ROXXOR THE BI-QUEENS (see how i twisted their name, wow i’m clever) because, much like detroit last year, we are kicking ass in the preseason.
    —————————————————-
    Rodgers will make about as good of a run at the MVP as Chris Kluwe.
    @Hauschild you sir, are a moron. the packers right now are ranked 21st in the preseason for total team passing yards, by comparison, the lions, the bengals, and the vikings (of course) are ahead of you, and with ease. (hell, the vikes are 14th). a “decent” defense would be enough for a team with a passing attacking in the top third of the league, unfortunetly, your offense is nowhere near there, and you defense, on its best day against the browns, will not be decent by any rational humans standards.

  34. Vots56 says: Aug 29, 2009 2:20 AM

    @ Vikes-N-Favre:
    One of the Vikings games last year, Clifton literally shut down Allen.
    Allen couldn’t even get past the line of scrimmage.

  35. Qoojo says: Aug 29, 2009 2:21 AM

    Blitzing heavily in the pre-season is a bit unfair, so I think it skews the results a bit.
    I love that the vikings have Favre. Just review any playoff game of his for the past 10 years. hahaha

  36. Philtration says: Aug 29, 2009 2:27 AM

    Have you ever seen so much bullshit talk from a 6-10 team?

  37. myasylum says: Aug 29, 2009 2:47 AM

    Driver just rules period! I’m about willing to say he’s better than Jennings!

  38. zangy says: Aug 29, 2009 2:49 AM

    # Vikes-N-Favre says: August 29, 2009 12:39 AM
    I wonder why? They get so many plays called in there favor. Mr. “I was raised in the back of a U-Haul” Driver pushes off a defender and the defender that gets pushed gets called for defensive pass interference when it should have been called offensive pass interference.
    Just wait until a real defense gets a hold of that useless team. You think a safety on that cross eyed Aaron Rodgers last season by the QB Stalker Jared Allen was bad, wait till he rips his head off his shoulders this year, helmet and all. Our defense is simply to good for that offense to move the ball.
    GB better be prepared to pass the ball 50 times in those games, because that useless RB you have doesn’t stand a chance against the best run defense in the NFL 3 seasons and counting.
    Good luck 6-10 Ass Packers, you are going to need it.
    —————————————————
    I’ll give it to the vikings fans. last year the vikes were flat out better than green bay but now you just are starting to look the fat kid on the playground that was bigger than everybody and now all the other kids are catching up. Let’s see how big your mouth is when you are struggling with detroit for the scraps in the north. BTW jared “i really am as f*cking stupid as my hair cut makes me look” allen, quit hiding behind your redneck gimmicks and come out and play some real football. Your team has never, ever, in the history of the NFL, won anything worth a sh*t.

  39. cheddar is beddar says: Aug 29, 2009 3:02 AM

    Vikes-N-Fagbait -
    you couldn’t be more of a homer and prototypical viking dbag. a real defense? the vikings have had a top 5 defense the last 3-4 seasons, and look at their record against the Pack during those years. get over your piss ass team and your piss ass bloated expectations. jared allen has had 10+ sacks the last 4 seasons. what did the chiefs do during that time? he had how many sacks last year? what did the vikings do last year? they shit the bed. get over allen and your overhyped D. that D is only as good as the 11 on the field, and last time i checked your secondary is a complete joke. hype the williams sisters and allen all you want…i’ve been hearing and watching the same thing for the last 5+ years, and truth be told, your team hasn’t done shit.

  40. wrath4771 says: Aug 29, 2009 3:13 AM

    Rodgers having a full season as a starter under his belt has really helped the offense, but I think the big thing offensively is the line seems to being playing at a capable level. Defensively, I think they are still a question mark because turnovers can dry up real quick, however I do like their progress.
    The Packers should be looking at a 10-6 record. Vikes-n-Farve has been hitting the crack pipe to think the Viking defense is good enough to shut down the Packers offense. Besides, he’s forgetting now that Farve is a Vi-Queen, the Packers will be finally on the receivng end of some of those assanine picks Farve likes to throw. As for running on the Vi-Queens – who cares? Outside of Winfield there is no one in that secondary that can run with the Packers receivers and Greenway is the only linebacker who even has a clue on what pass coverage is.

  41. Annuvin says: Aug 29, 2009 5:09 AM

    I wonder why? They get so many plays called in there favor. Mr. “I was raised in the back of a U-Haul” Driver pushes off a defender and the….
    ——————
    Blah, blah, blah… Another purple BiQueen plays the favourtism card because the Packers offense now has a quality defense to compliment it. I had thought once the Queens added Favre, they would be the team to beat this season. However, it seems that the Packers new 3-4 is working out a helluva lot better than I had imagined. Just wait until your new QB starts feeling the heat from this new defense and launches some of his infamously bad passes toward Green Bay’s interception machine. This is going to be sweet!

  42. trjuxal says: Aug 29, 2009 5:38 AM

    The Packers started 2-0 last year and everyone was crowning them. Then they lost three straight. The Cowboys started 3-0 last year and everyone was crowning them. They missed the playoffs. My point? Settle the fukc down and say it with me: “PRE-SEASON”

  43. AmishGangsta says: Aug 29, 2009 6:10 AM

    Hauschild said-I don’t see a more potent passing attack in all of football.
    The Colts, Pats, and Saints may take issue with that.

  44. BobNelsonsRETARDED says: Aug 29, 2009 6:18 AM

    i find it hilarious how excited packer fans are getting in preseason…lol just like lion fans last year….simply hilarious, packer fans dont realize they havent played a single good defense yet, vikings are gonna thrash the QB so bad…rofl Jared, Kevin and Ray are gonna have a sack fest in each green bay game. With Henderson back..The North is a WRAPPPPP, SKOL VIKES

  45. smokesome says: Aug 29, 2009 6:19 AM

    ooohhhhhh boo hoo vikes n favre is crying about the pack…booooo hooo the vikings and brent farve are soooo much better

  46. JimmySmith says: Aug 29, 2009 7:12 AM

    Its the pre season folks, means absolutely nothing. Still, it warms my heart to hear the trash talk coming throm the Trash Cites to the West.
    Such talk has to stem from fear, fear that they blew $12 million on a washed up INT machine that has more potential to divide their locker room than throw TD’s . Fear, that despite talent on the Viking’s roster, they are still in the hands of possibly the most inept head coach in the NFL, a man of no diginity who runs to the airport to pick up his last chance grasp at keeping his job.
    It should be fun this fall when the games start to count.

  47. Bob S. says: Aug 29, 2009 7:44 AM

    YES, Cards defense lacked effort much of last season during those many blowouts as they easily sat in 1st place in their division. BUT they sure played hard and looked tough in the playoffs WHEN IT COUNTS! So just why should they change their tactics now of all times with this 80 man squad and burn themselves out for nothing in exhibition games?
    44-37 was the final. Green Bay had a way worse defense than Arizona did last season. Wory about them.

  48. Schmitty says: Aug 29, 2009 9:22 AM

    The Packers are kicking all this butt and doing it without Clay Matthews and Nick Barnett. When they get these guys back, especially Barnett they are going to be even better.

  49. jimicos says: Aug 29, 2009 10:23 AM

    DocBG says:
    August 29, 2009 2:13 AM
    Rodgers will make about as good of a run at the MVP as Chris Kluwe.
    ————————–
    Are you implying that Chris Kluwe will start at QB over Favre, Jackson, Rosenfels and Booty? Or are you saying that the Vikings’ punter will be their MVP this season? Either interpretation puts your team in an awful light. So choose one.
    And I find it hard to believe you own a doctorate.
    —————————
    DocBG says:
    August 29, 2009 2:13 AM
    the packers right now are ranked 21st in the preseason for total team passing yards, by comparison, the lions, the bengals, and the vikings (of course) are ahead of you, and with ease. (hell, the vikes are 14th). a “decent” defense would be enough for a team with a passing attacking in the top third of the league, unfortunetly, your offense is nowhere near there, and you defense, on its best day against the browns, will not be decent by any rational humans standards.
    —————————
    Are you seriously trying to compare teams based on preseason passing numbers? That sounds about your speed.

  50. Truecoat says: Aug 29, 2009 10:47 AM

    Wow, you guys are really drinking the kool-aid over there. You won 6 games last year. Just 6. You have an easy schedule this year just like the Bears and Vikings. Let’s see how it plays out a few weeks in the regular season before you crown them the NFC champs.

  51. zangy says: Aug 29, 2009 10:55 AM

    Bob.S–What was the score at halftime? After only starters had been playing (Cards-Q and Breaston, Pack-Jennings)??? It was 38-10 with old man Warner nearly having committed more fumbles than getting first downs. I understand it’s only preseason but you are lying to yourself if you think those men aren’t playing their asses off. Nobody wants to be embarrassed. One more thing…
    Redzone+Jermichael Finley=Touchdown

  52. DocBG says: Aug 29, 2009 10:59 AM

    @jimicos
    Firstly, Let me say that I’m impressed with your ability to respond with something witty and entertaining, You’ve set a new bar for people supporting the packers.
    The comment regarding Kluwe is clearly meant to disparrage the state of Rodgers run at the MVP. It is a coveted award and certainly every player in the NFL is trying to win it. Mediocre punters included. I believe it was in response to a packer fan stating that rodgers would make a run for it, the statement was simply pointing out that his chances where about as good as a mediocre punters.
    as for the passing game, it was also a response to a packer fan pointing out that he couldn’t think of a better one, seeing as the short bus isnt running for a few weeks, i thought i would volunteer to help him figure it out and show him that 21st place is not better than 1st. perhaps some stickers are in order for you being able to figure out that preseason means nothing.

  53. DoomsDayD75 says: Aug 29, 2009 11:02 AM

    I guess nobody noticed Beanie Wells just destroying the Packers D? Somebody want to tell these Packers fans that stopping the run is an important part of football?

  54. jimicos says: Aug 29, 2009 11:35 AM

    Truecoat says:
    August 29, 2009 10:47 AM
    Wow, you guys are really drinking the kool-aid over there. You won 6 games last year. Just 6. You have an easy schedule this year just like the Bears and Vikings. Let’s see how it plays out a few weeks in the regular season before you crown them the NFC champs.
    —————————
    Look at how the starters have performed against opposing starters. They’ve blown them out. And the defense has been consistently producing turnovers. There’s reason for optimism. And the key defensive starters they lost to injury last season are all back and ready to go. This team is two seasons removed from going 13-3. Favre is gone, but Rodgers has shown he can produce at Favre’s 2007 level. No one’s crowning them NFC champs.

  55. footballrulz says: Aug 29, 2009 11:40 AM

    Guys-as a few have said here–calm down–it is preasons. Packers have looked very explosive on offense/defense when first rounders were in for all three games. 2 of which were Browns/Bills. I must say I never expected to blowout in AZ during the first half.. titans next but I doubt many starters will play.
    Also, remember most teams aren;t showing their complete playbooks yet. (BTW, we all know Detroit was 4-0 in preseason last year so, enuff is enuff on that.
    What amazes me is how you guys gotta start all the BS talk.State your points but does “in you’re mama’s dress doing dance moves in front of the mirror have any real relevance. Football folks, it’s preseason football. We’ll start getting some real answers in about 16 days
    Pack still has some running to stop (especially between the 20′s), need to get their running game sparked a little better )can’t live on long balls for 16 games) but they do look damn good right now.
    BTW, I am a Pack fan so I’m trying to curb excitement until the real season starts. And you gotta admit, if Rodgers goes down–we’re s-c-r-e-w-e-d.
    It all starts in 2 weeks.

  56. SpartaChris says: Aug 29, 2009 11:40 AM

    @Truecoat-
    In that spirit, no one should be crowning the Vikings either.
    The simple fact that’s hard to deny is the Packers look much better now than anyone expected. Yes it’s pre-season, but they look sharp. I only hope they’re not peaking now. As such, I think we Packers fans need to temper our expectations just a bit.
    RE: the Packers defense game planning- Of course they are. It’s what you do when you install a new defense. You run through the motions as you’re going to run them during the season.
    On the idea of game planning, it surprises me to hear that coaches don’t game plan during the pre-season. I’d think it would be good practice.
    Either way, no one on this forum knows for certain who is going to win. The Packers, Bears and Vikings each made some good moves to improve during the offseason, and each have a good chance at winning the division. To say someone is a lock for the title before the season even starts is juvenile speculation at best.

  57. Hauschild says: Aug 29, 2009 11:49 AM

    DocBG,
    No, I’m certainly not a moron and you should know better than to name-call – you’ll never get your point across that way. C’mon, Bubba!
    Yes, it is preseason, but I often argue that if you know what you are looking for during the preseason, you can find clues as to the success of any particular team during the ensuing regular season.
    Rodgers has played sparingly and his numbers are still nearly breathtaking in around 4 quarters of play. I’m no homer fan – simply a man that has a keen knack of picking winners.

  58. spyboots says: Aug 29, 2009 12:07 PM

    Very exciting preseason game, I’d say.

  59. SidHartman says: Aug 29, 2009 12:18 PM

    Absolutely freaking hilarious. You Pack fans are a sensitive bunch aren’t you? 6-10 last year and already you’re the team to beat in ’09. I guess we shouldn’t even play the games this year since according to you guys the division is already won. What a waste – I thought the Vikes have a pretty good team this year and I was looking forward to watching them play.

  60. DocBG says: Aug 29, 2009 1:17 PM

    Hauschild,
    time to concede a few points here.
    Yes rodgers has played spairingly in preseason.
    Yes, rodgers does have some decent numbers in his limited playing time.
    In fact, rodgers is actually leading the NFL in preseason passer rating. (he would be if he qualified for it)
    right above damon huard
    so you certainly must know what to look for in preseason games. You must have certainly saw an 0-16 season from the lions after they won every pre-season game last year right? Of course you did, you know what to look for.
    You are bragging of home-field advantage during the playoffs based on 38 pass attempts by rodgers and a weak (well, for most teams) schedual.
    If one where to call Einstein smart, it wouldn’t be considered “calling names” so I see no problem in calling you a moron.
    as they say; “if the velcro shoe fits, wear it”

  61. SpartaChris says: Aug 29, 2009 1:30 PM

    @SidHartman-
    That’s kind of the pot calling the kettle black, don’t ya think? This whole off-season, all we’ve been hearing from Vikings fans is how they’re a lock to win the division and go to the Super Bowl. Hell, some of you have gone so far as to declare yourselves Super Bowl champs before the pre-season even started.
    And I love how you keep bringing up last season, as if somehow last season means anything to this season. I mean, being as how you finally (And barely) won the division last season, I can see how you’d like to keep last season fresh in everyone’s minds. But it’s time to move on. Last season was last season and last I checked, you still failed to win the Super Bowl. Hell, you didn’t even make it out of the first round of the playoffs, so by the time all was said and done, you were sitting at home watching most of the playoffs with us. Wow, that sure was some dominance you displayed last season!
    That said, lets agree to move on from last season and start looking towards this season, shall we? So far this season there’s simply no denying the Packers look much better than anyone anticipated or expected, especially for a team making a complete defensive overhaul. Sure, Packer faithful always wanted to believe it, but deep down, we all had our doubts.
    Fortunately for us those doubts are now being put to rest. Yeah, we still have some holes to fix, obviously. We’re not a number one defense yet, and it’s still a new defensive scheme for our guys. But the fact is we’re taking to the scheme much faster than anyone anticipated. We’re performing quite well, and even exceeding expectation.
    While I agree we Packer fans need to temper our expectations, if that’s not a reason for Packer fans to get excited and be optimistic about the upcoming season, then tell me, what is?

  62. SidHartman says: Aug 29, 2009 1:31 PM

    @SpartaChris
    Well said. Thank you.

  63. jimicos says: Aug 29, 2009 2:02 PM

    DocBG says:
    August 29, 2009 10:59 AM
    @jimicos
    Firstly, Let me say that I’m impressed with your ability to respond with something witty and entertaining, You’ve set a new bar for people supporting the packers.
    The comment regarding Kluwe is clearly meant to disparrage the state of Rodgers run at the MVP. It is a coveted award and certainly every player in the NFL is trying to win it. Mediocre punters included. I believe it was in response to a packer fan stating that rodgers would make a run for it, the statement was simply pointing out that his chances where about as good as a mediocre punters.
    as for the passing game, it was also a response to a packer fan pointing out that he couldn’t think of a better one, seeing as the short bus isnt running for a few weeks, i thought i would volunteer to help him figure it out and show him that 21st place is not better than 1st. perhaps some stickers are in order for you being able to figure out that preseason means nothing.
    ———————
    First off, Rodgers put up numbers last season comparable to Favre’s numbers in 2007. Remember there was a lot of discussion of Favre for MVP that year. Yes, I know there’s a difference between a 13-3 season and a 6-10 season. But I don’t think you can pin very many of those 10 losses on Rodgers.
    Secondly, I always thought Hauschild was a Vikings fan. Perhaps I’m wrong on that.
    Thirdly, very funny that you use preseason passing rankings to downplay the strength of the Packers defense, then follow it up by saying “preseason means nothing.” Rock solid supporting point there.
    The Packers’ passing offense is among the best in the league, assuming Jennings is OK. If he has lingering effects from his hit last night that certainly takes a toll of their effectiveness. But James Jones and Jordy Nelson seemed to pick up the slack nicely. Not an all-world passing defense they were up against, but I’ll take 14 of 19 for 258, 3 TDs and 0 INTs any day over 1 of 4 for 4. ;)
    So far in the preseason Rodgers’ passer rating is 151. His game-by-game passer rating has gone from 120 to 151 to 155.
    And the Packers’ starters have thoroughly thrashed every team they’ve faced in the preseason on both sides of the ball. But maybe that leaves something to be desired? Maybe they should be beating up teams they’re not even playing?

  64. Bob Nelson says: Aug 29, 2009 2:10 PM

    It appeared that 1/3 of the crowd were Packer fans.
    They dominated and humiliated the defending NFC champs.
    It was the third dominating performance in as many weeks.
    The Packers are a very good football team.

  65. Hauschild says: Aug 29, 2009 2:38 PM

    DocBG,
    I see what “type” you are – you’re a hater, and unfortunately, haters rarely learn from their mistakes.
    Again, I’m not a huge, homer Packers fan – just an NFL fan that can pick up on trends instantly. And, I see a lethal Green Bay passing attack – albeit, not a great running game. However, with that amount of dominance thru the air, the rushing attack will most certainly benefit.
    Can you name a first-string NFL passing attack THIS PRESEASON that has shown such utter dominance and efficiency as Green Bay’s? No, neither have I. New England has no offensive line to protect. We’ve seen Arizona. Dallas? No. Philly? Not with the potential headaches at QB. New Orleans? Might be the close.
    Disregard my analysis at your own peril, I guess.

  66. RagnartheViking says: Aug 29, 2009 2:39 PM

    Thank you Sparta for once again proving that you will never win an arguement with a Packer fan.
    Vikes fans get castigated for thier expectations yet all you guys are doing on this thread is the same thing.
    It’s freaking preseason!! Anyone besides the Packers and thier ” new and improved” defense are throwing nothing but vanilla play calling out there.
    If Favre puts up big numbers monday and Vikes fans are crowing, what will you say? He looks awesome? No it’ll be it’s just preseason, hes washed up, his arm will fall off etc. ad infinitum.
    I’m so sick of the double standard with most of you.
    To the jagoff who brought up what does last season have to do with anything? Well, a hell of alot more than the 13-42 years ago Packer teams you keep trotting out when you have no defense for why the Packers sucked last year.
    If we are going to brag on preseason games, then you know what? You should be concerned about the ‘supposed depth” this team has. They nearly lost the game for you.
    But, i’m sure that doesn’t matter cause it’s just the “scrubs” playing.
    You can’t have it both ways.
    Arguing with a Packer fan is pointless, you squash one point they will just go in a different direction, and a different one. Until they just exasperate you.
    Packer fans are some of the most loyal fans in the league, too bad their knowledge of the game doesn’t match.
    2008 was not the abberation: 2007 was.
    You see, I too have a kncak for picking winners, unlike hausch, mine don’t come from my nose.
    Trash talking from a sub .500 team, only in Wisconsin!!

  67. zangy says: Aug 29, 2009 3:04 PM

    To all the pre-season naysayers…
    Said Cardinals DT Darnell Dockett, “We came out and didn’t match Green Bay’s intensity and we got exactly what we deserved. We can’t sit here and say it was just a preseason game. Everybody wasn’t playing on the same level today.”

  68. SpartaChris says: Aug 29, 2009 3:35 PM

    @Ragnar-
    If you bothered to take off your purple tinted glasses, you might notice how I’ve been pretty balanced in telling my fellow cheeseheads to temper their expectations a bit. While things look great now, it’s still pre-season. Lets continue this dominance a few games into the regular season before getting excited. Otherwise, it’s much ado about nothing
    I do agree that pointing out past Superbowl victories from as recent as more than a decade ago is pointless and lame. I also think last season was last season and doesn’t guarantee anything for this season. Just look at Atlanta and Miani to see what a difference one season can make.

  69. footballrulz says: Aug 29, 2009 3:47 PM

    Jesus-I can’t wait to see what’s going on in here about half way through the year. You guys will be demanding each others addresses so you can settle this amano/amano.
    It’s preseason. Everybody’s only showing about 1/3 of their playbooks at best.
    As I stated earlier, I’m a Pack fan, I AM a little excited but I’m not putting anybody in the Division winner spot, playoffs or the Superbowl. Way too many variables. Hell, if Rodgers goes down, we’re done.
    Or maybe that’s what the site is really supposed to be about anyway–f-k football, let’s just talk some trash

  70. TheHydra says: Aug 29, 2009 3:55 PM

    Ragnar,
    That was a man handling. Any spin you want to put on it is your own. If you cannot see that this team is one, angry about last year, two, way better right now then the three teams they have played, and three, primed for a BIG season then you must be in denial or defensive because your own vikes (good themselves) are going to be seriously challenged by Green Bay. You can say its “preseason” all you want but all that implies is that the other teams arent trying? Or are “vanilla” That is cliche’ Capers’ aggressive defense is the way he designs play. They haven’t shown everything believe me. yes its the preseason BUT it was the third preseason game and that is the one where we get the best look. You know that.

  71. DocBG says: Aug 29, 2009 4:20 PM

    @ hauschild
    the saints and cowboys both have higher passer ratings. The lions, bengals, raiders, and bills (and others) have more yards/game. this proves nothing of course, BECAUSE IT IS PRESEASON. Also, funny how after destroying your inane “points” in an argument, I’m now a hater, there ya go buddy.
    @jimicos
    the most important stat is wins, so far rodgers doesn’t have a whole lot of those now does he? every single one of those losses can be pinned squarely on his shoulders for not leading the team to victory by scoring more points than the opposition. so either he is a poor leader, or the team around him sucks terribly.
    Can’t seem to find the spot where i used the preseason passer rankings to downplay their defense, but then again, one cannot forget that you are a packer fan, and therefore not constrained by the need to make sense when you argue.
    as far as rodgers passer rating, I’ve commented on that in an earlier reply, which I’m assuming wasn’t posted when you replied, so please re-read that comment and we can further debate that point if you wish. (you wont want to)
    good job by thrashing the browns and bills in preseason games, if it helps you sleep at night, go with it. But no crying when the lions finish the sweep of the pack on November 26th
    the best you can hope for is an 8-8 season, and thats assuming the other teams so much as show up on time. otherwise it could be a long painful season in GB.

  72. footballrulz says: Aug 29, 2009 5:03 PM

    @TheHydra–Saw in another post a couple of days ago your’e hoping Hawks gets traded. You prefer to keep Poppinga over Hawks. Poppinga had a good game against the Bills & Hawks got that deeer in the headlights look a little too often last year but mainly all I see Poppinga do is fly over the pack after tackle has neen made or get a hand in their for an AT when someone else has already done the work. You serious?

  73. footballrulz says: Aug 29, 2009 5:05 PM

    Doc BG–LOL–Pack ain;t gettin swept by the Lions any more than the Vikes or Bears are. 3 way division for at least one more year. Lions are getting better though.

  74. TheHydra says: Aug 29, 2009 5:29 PM

    Yes. Very deep at Linebacker. Need picks.

  75. footballrulz says: Aug 29, 2009 5:55 PM

    Agreed Hydra–but dump Poppinga–not Hawk

  76. jimicos says: Aug 29, 2009 6:21 PM

    DocBG says:
    August 29, 2009 4:20 PM
    @jimicos
    the most important stat is wins, so far rodgers doesn’t have a whole lot of those now does he? every single one of those losses can be pinned squarely on his shoulders for not leading the team to victory by scoring more points than the opposition. so either he is a poor leader, or the team around him sucks terribly.
    Can’t seem to find the spot where i used the preseason passer rankings to downplay their defense, but then again, one cannot forget that you are a packer fan, and therefore not constrained by the need to make sense when you argue.
    as far as rodgers passer rating, I’ve commented on that in an earlier reply, which I’m assuming wasn’t posted when you replied, so please re-read that comment and we can further debate that point if you wish. (you wont want to)
    good job by thrashing the browns and bills in preseason games, if it helps you sleep at night, go with it. But no crying when the lions finish the sweep of the pack on November 26th
    the best you can hope for is an 8-8 season, and thats assuming the other teams so much as show up on time. otherwise it could be a long painful season in GB.
    ————————-
    It was a typo. You were downplaying the strength of the Packers offense, not defense. You used preseason passing numbers to do it, then promptly said preseason means nothing. Go ahead and argue with yourself over it.
    Go watch those games from last season if you think it’s Rodgers’ fault. He played at a high level and led his team to more points than all but four teams in the NFL. In many of those close losses, he led his team to tie or lead the game before the defense/special teams lost the game in the closing minutes. Perhaps if we pull out a depth chart I can demonstrate that Rodgers doesn’t play defense?
    Go ahead and trash the Bills and Browns, but they allowed about as many points as the Vikings last season. Vikings: 13th in the league, Bills: 14th, Browns: 16th. A grand total of 1.1 points per game difference between the Vikings defense and the Browns.
    And I’d be more worried about being swept by the Lions if my team beat them by a composite total of 6 points, like the Vikings did. Worst team in history and your boys could only beat them by 2 and 4? Weak. But the Packers beat them by a grand total of 33 points. So right now I’m not quaking in my boots.

  77. DocBG says: Aug 29, 2009 9:19 PM

    @ jimicos
    there are 2 ways to look at things, either that preseason numbers are important, or that preseason numbers are not important. This is not something you can have both ways. IF they matter, then it should be noted that not only is rodgers the best passer in the game right now (something you would have all of us believe) but that damon huard is better than brady, manning, and brees among others. whilst you might believe this to be the case, it simply is not.
    because YOU are drawing grand comparisons with preseason stats, I’m simply pointing out that when one looks at the big picture, that they clearly have no effect at all on how well a team is going to do in the regular season, since that is the case, they clearly DO NOT MEAN ANYTHING. You seem to be a little thick on understanding this, or intent on twisting statements into something that they are not.
    as far as the typo goes, sure it happens, no one is perfect and its settled at that.
    Last season is last season and unless we are traveling in time to watch it, it has no effect on this season correct? seeing as that is the case, and we both agree that the lions are not that great of a team, shouldn’t that mean that the pack earned only 4 wins against legit teams? judging from your disdain of the vikings, the 1 win against the vikes last year shouldn’t count either then right? so truthfully the pack won only 3 games then. If thats the case, maybe you shouldn’t be looking up point differentials for last years game, but coaching the packers as clearly you have more football sense then those that are paid to do it.
    and with rodgers, leader lead games. I dont care if he plays defense or not, if he had done his job better, you would have won more games correct? There’s my point exactly.
    p.s. forgot to mention this earlier, but good work building in excuses (i.e. if jennings is okay from his concussion) for you mildly threatening passing attack becoming even weaker now that teams have had a good long look at rodgers. that way you can simply pull up this post when you start the year 2-4 (I’ll spot you cleveland and detroit or cinnicinati), and copy the excuse about jenning’s concussion.

  78. jimicos says: Sep 3, 2009 6:37 PM

    Your whole speech on the preseason must’ve been aimed at yourself. You’re the one trying to use preseason numbers before saying the preseason means nothing.
    Mildly threatening passing attack? Haha. I’m going to enjoy watching your useless comments as the season rolls on.

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