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"Record low" turnout in Jacksonville

The 2009 Official NFL Record and Fact Book states that Jacksonville Municipal Stadium currently has a capacity for Jaguars games of 67,164.

For Thursday night’s preseason finale, the Jaguars distributed only 39,942 tickets, according to Vito Stellino of the Florida Times-Union.

Stellino calls the actual attendance a “record low.”  He also points out that the team no longer announces the official attendance number during the game.

So that’s two preseason games blacked out, with eight regular-season games to go.

Somewhere in the Los Angeles Metropolitan Area, Ed Roski is smiling.

Meanwhile, the league has said that the blackout rule won’t be changed.  And our Friday topic for focuses on what this might mean for the future of the NFL on television.

Hopefully, more than 39,942 of you will read it.

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  1. DonTerrelli says: Sep 4, 2009 9:29 AM

    All they’re doing is pissing off the remaining jaguars fans by blacking out the game so nobody can watch it. If they keep it up, they wont have any fans left

  2. killwithme says: Sep 4, 2009 9:29 AM

    Move them to Vegas

  3. PFTiswhatitis says: Sep 4, 2009 9:30 AM

    Jax fans suck.

  4. dawk20db says: Sep 4, 2009 9:30 AM

    Say hello to the Los Angeles Wildfire!
    They’ll have to realign the divisions again though.

  5. dcfan-1212450 says: Sep 4, 2009 9:31 AM

    That may be their goal. Piss off the fans, black out the games, lose attendance altogether, then move the team to LA. Could be the plan fellas. Keep an eye on this.

  6. ray finkle says: Sep 4, 2009 9:32 AM

    Never understood why Jacksonville was awarded a team in the first place with the Falcons, Dolphins, and Bucs all within the area. Move them now.

  7. evilboy128 says: Sep 4, 2009 9:32 AM

    Jesus Christ Florio, Beat the dead horse deader. You have been a constant piped piper for the LA Jaguars more than ANY media outlet out there. You MUST be a Jaguar fan to harp and droan on and on about this ad naseum as you do. ENOUGH

  8. Florios_a_tool says: Sep 4, 2009 9:34 AM

    The whole blackout rule is just a part of the owner’s master plan. It won’t be long before all sporting events are available only on Pay-Per-View.

  9. evilboy128 says: Sep 4, 2009 9:35 AM

    OH, and here comes the gay ass Florio chorus backing up their masters words with “gems” like
    jag fans suck
    and my personal favorite
    they dont deserve a team…right mr Florio…whats that…cradle the balls while I am down there?

  10. Alfie says: Sep 4, 2009 9:35 AM

    Let’s do a quick run down of all the teams in NFL history who have relocated without stadium issues:
    Now that that list has been compiled, let’s take a look at the stadium said team will relocated to:
    Now that we’ve seen this stadium, let’s ask the 3 teams that have failed in LA why they relocated. Oh, ticket sales?
    San Diego is moving to LA. It’s still close enough for their fans, who don’t go to the games just like Jax, to drive and you don’t have to re-align anything. Everyone forgets San Diego has black out problems, and the fact that 12 teams in the NFL is facing black outs.

  11. Alfie says: Sep 4, 2009 9:37 AM

    You mean they’re pissing off the whiny Gator fans who wouldn’t go to the games anyway? Who cares, they’re not going anyway.

  12. PARavensJeff says: Sep 4, 2009 9:38 AM

    Taglibue was an idiot for steering an expansion franchise to this town thatshouldn’t even have an AF2 franchise. Dumb ass should have told them to build the musuem instead of Baltimore. What he should have done was put Wayne Weaver as the owner of the expansion franchise in Baltimore. This would have been a win/win – good owner, good orginization, greta football town. Instead he listened to his former boss Jack Kent Cooke & made sure there was no team in Baltimore. Taglibue should never be allowed in the Hall of Fame. The mistake of Jacksonville should stand as his legacy. At least the Dolphins fans in Orlando who have the Jags shoved down their throats will be happy they should get to see their Fins.

  13. Stoogie says: Sep 4, 2009 9:42 AM

    # Florios_a_tool says: September 4, 2009 9:34 AM
    The whole blackout rule is just a part of the owner’s master plan. It won’t be long before all sporting events are available only on Pay-Per-View.
    The NFL Ticket is the first step in that direction.
    What will really take the cake is when the Super Bowl is broadcast via PPV.
    With regards to the Jags…. why SHOULD the fans turn out to watch them? They have a better team to watch that’s located 90 minutes from them in Gainesville. So what if the Univ. of Florida is a college team? That’s where the $$$ for the tickets are going. There and maybe Tallahassee.

  14. Fan of Football says: Sep 4, 2009 9:44 AM

    lol, you think Los Angeles would do better? A city of over 10 millions and they still couldn’t fill a stadium then they had an NFL team.

  15. Hap says: Sep 4, 2009 9:45 AM

    Every home game for Jax will be blacked out and their fans will wonder why ? I have to agree with dawk, they’ll be the next LA-la team. But I’d call them The LA Quake.

  16. SteelTown_6 says: Sep 4, 2009 9:46 AM

    Move them to Neverland.

  17. b0knows says: Sep 4, 2009 9:46 AM

    They should move the football team to des moines.

  18. Bill says: Sep 4, 2009 9:48 AM

    If 39,000+ is a record low then they have a long way to catch Kansas City, I believe their record low was somewhere between 7,000-10,000 somewhere in the mid 80’s, (maybe 1987) This was a regular season game against the NY Jets. All I know is that I was there and it was cold! I hope they do move them to LA, and I’m sure they wouldn’t realign the divisions.

  19. JAG880 says: Sep 4, 2009 9:50 AM

    Hey, 39K is still better than the 37K at the last Lions home game, or the 32K at the last game in the Black Hole.
    We’re not the worst…we’re not the worst…

  20. Twiz says: Sep 4, 2009 9:53 AM

    Yea, lets be dumb and put another team in LA, somewhere that has proven not once, but twice cannot handle a professional football team within the city.
    Somehow, it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me……

  21. hayward giablommi says: Sep 4, 2009 9:59 AM

    “The whole blackout rule is just a part of the owner’s master plan. It won’t be long before all sporting events are available only on Pay-Per-View.”
    Do you have any proof of this? I first heard this urban legend 15 or so years ago and it’s yet to come to fruition. Even putting 8 mediocre games a year on NFLN stirred controversy. Granted, Goodell is the worst and is running the league into the ground, but a sunday where you can’t watch an NFL game on tv for free is not happening in our lifetime.

  22. blackandteal says: Sep 4, 2009 10:00 AM

    The Raiders attendance for their third preseason game was 32,585. That’s seven thousand less than the Jags fourth preseason game for those keeping track. Where is the story on the Raiders?

  23. WetHog says: Sep 4, 2009 10:01 AM

    I did notice watching last night that instead of one upper deck section covered over at either ends of the upper decks, they now have two. So the team had to now cover over 8 whole sections with advertising in an effort to sell out? That is a sad situation.
    Jags fan, regardless if the team sucks or not, if you want an NFL team in your city you better show some support. You got to want it.

  24. FlacAttack5 says: Sep 4, 2009 10:03 AM

    Paul Tagliabue is a moron.

  25. Ravens52 says: Sep 4, 2009 10:04 AM

    You can thank Tagliabue for choosing Jacksonville over Baltimore and St. Louis 15 years ago.

  26. Free_Tramopoline says: Sep 4, 2009 10:06 AM

    Send the Jags to Oakland and disolve the Raiders. I argue that the only reason the Raiders are still around is out of respect for John Madden.
    Another thing I’d like to see is the Jags being sent (or a new team formed, for that matter) in Hawaii. It sounds crazy, but think about it: They have a huge, beautiful stadium that the NFL only uses once a year (this year, not even once); and the travel wouldn’t be any worse than a team from New York having to travel to a game in California. I just think that it would be a cool addition to the league.

  27. Jerry's World says: Sep 4, 2009 10:15 AM

    Jacksonville has a pro football team? They are terrible, that’s why no one goes. If you want an example of the best fans in the NFL, look at America’s Team the Cowboys……

  28. PARavensJeff says: Sep 4, 2009 10:25 AM

    Why not San Antonio? They would probably do better there than LA LA land

  29. RexRyan'sStressedLapband says: Sep 4, 2009 10:25 AM

    In response to the comments about the NFL becoming PPV:
    I hope to God that never happens! I know Sunday Ticket is a step in that direction, but every one of those games is available for free somewhere in the country. I have the ticket because I love my Fins and you don’t see the Fins in NW PA unless they are playing in NW NY. I don’t mind paying for it, it offsets the local channels bitching that I won’t be watching a lame local commercial for Stan’s Garden Center or some other BS.
    I don’t see the NFL ever taking things to PPV like WWE or something. They’ve long stood on the platform, especially to Congress, that almost every game is available via the airwaves, something no other sport can say. This is what has truly brought the NFL to where it is. Before cable was in every house, people could still see football every Sunday, and this is what helped the sport grow. To make it a PPV sport would completely destroy the fan base of the entire league. I know I personally would not pay the outrageous prices like these nutjob WWE fans pay – AND IT’S NOT EVEN A REAL SPORT LMAO. I think the NFL will continue to use Sunday Ticket to feed the true fans, and the airwaves to keep the casual fan interested. At least that’s what I hope. *fingers crossed*

  30. Bob Nelson says: Sep 4, 2009 10:26 AM

    Just fold 2 franchises and go back to 30 teams.
    The 30 get a larger share of television revenue and they eliminate over 120 union jobs. They eliminate coaching jobs too. Therefore coaches will work for less.
    It would help eliminate the watered down talent in the league and help get rid of this era players that refuse to learn to tackle. We could see a better football because overall talent in the league would rise.
    The Jaguars just need a likeable QB the fans can support. They also need a better coach than that stupid former viking who is running the franchise into the ground.
    The Jaguars had support when Tom Coughlin and Mark Brunell were there.
    Until they fire Del Rio and get a QB liked by the fans things will be bleak.

  31. Kevin from Philly says: Sep 4, 2009 10:29 AM

    You’ve obviously never been to Rainbow staium – it’s old, REALLY small, has lousy accomodations for the fans, crappy locker rooms even by small college standards (that’s why June Jones left after losing the Sugar Bowl) and worst of all, only about 1 million people live on Oahu and not 5% of them have the money to buy tickets. Also, it’s about another 4-5 hours of travel time for an east coast team, plus an additional three time zone difference. Other than that, it sounds like a great plan (but then, you think the Giants have a good WR squad, so yes – you ARE crazy!).

  32. FlacAttack5 says: Sep 4, 2009 10:32 AM

    Free_Tramopoline says:
    September 4, 2009 10:06 AM
    Another thing I’d like to see is the Jags being sent (or a new team formed, for that matter) in Hawaii. It sounds crazy, but think about it: They have a huge, beautiful stadium that the NFL only uses once a year (this year, not even once); and the travel wouldn’t be any worse than a team from New York having to travel to a game in California. I just think that it would be a cool addition to the league.
    Clearly you didn’t win the 6th grade geography bee. Hawaii is a 9 hour flight from the east coast. NFL games start at 8am local time in Honolulu which would mean any team from HI would have to play at 4pm ET or later, which is still a 11am start in the Aloha State. That leaves very little time to crush a 30 pack in the tailgate lot before the game unless you get up at 4:30 am. Nice idea, but you’re an idiot.

  33. SteelCurtain says: Sep 4, 2009 10:37 AM

    I live in Jax and this is all over the radio here.
    However, people forget that the size of the stadium is the main reason games will be blacked out here. (well, that and having a crappy team)
    If you look at 2008 attendance stats on ESPN’s site, the Jags were 19 out of 30. (no home stats for 2 teams). That would make 11 teams with lower average attendance including teams like Oakland, Minnesota, Arizona, Atlanta, and Pittsburgh.

  34. Zox says: Sep 4, 2009 10:40 AM

    I’m a jags fan:
    With the NFL ticket, 55″ HD tv, ability to watch all the games at once, comfort of your own home, not being raped by outrageous prices….etc
    You’re a sucker for going to the stadium. You want to leave? Leave. See ya.
    1 out of every 11 residents have to attend the game to sell it out. Chicago: 1 out of every 88. It was set up to fail from the beginning.

  35. titan87 says: Sep 4, 2009 10:43 AM

    They are the worst franchise in the NFL. Maybe if there fan base was 70 years old or older they could make it through a game that starts at 8 p.m. Jacksonville needs to move to some city that would give a crap about them. Hell send them to Boise, Idaho they seemed to get pumped up about football.

  36. Fan_Of_ Four says: Sep 4, 2009 10:44 AM

    12 Teams with blackout problems, I know, lets play more games in the U.K. Thats bound to build the fan base.

  37. SteelTown_6 says: Sep 4, 2009 10:45 AM

    “…# hayward giablommi says: September 4, 2009 9:59 AM
    “The whole blackout rule is just a part of the owner’s master plan. It won’t be long before all sporting events are available only on Pay-Per-View.”
    Do you have any proof of this? …”
    The writing is on the wall.
    Rising ticket prices, local blackouts, games now being shown exclusively on the NFL Network.
    Right now you can buy the entire season via NFL Sunday Ticket for about $300, not including HD, which will set you back another $100.
    Why stop there? Why not just charge $45 per game via PPV?
    The precedent has already been set. All that’s left now is to renegotiate the price tag.
    It’s a common tactic; establish the “practice” at a “reasonable” price, then later raise the price.

  38. dunkingonuts says: Sep 4, 2009 10:50 AM

    I keep hearing about how badly the NFL wants a team in LA and yet the reason the Raiders and Rams both left in the same year is because despite have one of the biggest markets in the country, Nobody cares about football there they are more enamoured with Hollywood and used to get pissed off because somebody had the audacity to interupt thier Sunday with a football game. It is a terrible fanbase..probably worse than Jacksonville.

  39. jordan09 says: Sep 4, 2009 10:55 AM

    Enough of your slanted “reporting.” There are more then a few teams that are having attendance issues but yet everyone always harps on the Jags. The low of 39k is not the lowest ever for an NFL team, so quit with your doomsday headlines.
    Also the Jags will not be the next team to move, that will be the Vikings. Their current stadium deals runs through 2011, and they haven’t had any luck securing financing for new stadium. They ranked #31 on Forbes list of NFL team valuations.

  40. BrownsTown says: Sep 4, 2009 10:56 AM

    Why does everybody assume the destination is LA? There are a lot of other, growing western cities that could support a franchise. If Jerry Jones didn’t have so much pull, I would have said OKC.
    Maybe Utah?

  41. Alfie says: Sep 4, 2009 11:00 AM

    @Jerry’s World
    When was the last time the Cowboys won a playoff game? Did the Jaguars even exist then?

  42. jdanton says: Sep 4, 2009 11:04 AM

    For all of you who are discussing the NFL going to PPV, do you understand the revenue streams in the NFL? The largest one, is the multi-billion dollar TV deal, which would vanish if they went PPV. There is no way the league would get anywhere near the ratings it gets on over the air, on PPV, and it (assuming it started a big enough TV operation to air all 16 games every week) wouldn’t be able to charge nearly as much in advertising. PPV won’t happen—if we’re lucky, we will be able to get Sunday ticket from another avenue besides D-TV in the next decade, or possibly over the net.

  43. doublestuffflorios says: Sep 4, 2009 11:10 AM

    The Jags will more likely move to London. It’s the NFL’s new world order!

  44. HarrisonHits says: Sep 4, 2009 11:10 AM

    “All they’re doing is pissing off the remaining jaguars fans by blacking out the game so nobody can watch it. If they keep it up, they wont have any fans left”
    If a market can’t and or won’t support a team time to move it to a site that will.
    And I have to laugh with derision at the retards who accuse Florio of hating one team or another for “constantly” picking on them. Mike reports the good and bad news about every team all the time. Each team is constantly reported here. Its not Mike’s fault if a franchise sucks, or their players are turds, or they do moronic things. And you have to face it, as far as support from their fans Jacksonville is the anal passage of the NFL.

  45. E.A.G.L.E.S. says: Sep 4, 2009 11:12 AM

    NFL exclusively on PPV??? hahahaha, you’ve got to be kidding me!!
    I can think of 20,000,000,000 reasons why that will never ever happen!!!

  46. hiddentrack says: Sep 4, 2009 11:39 AM

    @WetHog – the same number of sections are covered as before, they just have some covered with one large tarp and others covered with two smaller tarps.

  47. evilboy128 says: Sep 4, 2009 11:44 AM

    “as far as support from their fans Jacksonville is the anal passage of the NFL.”
    seeing your a patriot fan, I would expect no less class than this…some day your team is going to struggle again and you will have the blackout blues (again) maybe you can collect video from the patriots of the past…unless the NFL destroyed that footage too.

  48. evilboy128 says: Sep 4, 2009 11:50 AM

    “And I have to laugh with derision at the retards who accuse Florio of hating one team or another for “constantly” picking on them. Mike reports the good and bad news about every team all the time.”
    oh yeah? He known for that?
    according to Wikipedia
    “Mike Florio is known for inaccuracies in his reporting and constantly fails to check facts before publishing articles to the internet.”
    I think that statement is a bit more accurate.

  49. SaintsBucsFalconsSUK says: Sep 4, 2009 11:51 AM

    I live in Charlotte and drive to 8 games a year in Jacksonville.
    Fans there, such as Alfie are all broke. They cant afford tickets. They would rather sit in their “straight house” and sniff kerosene vapors all day.
    How far away is Univ of Florida? Jacksonville sucks. I hate that Garrard and MJD are forced to play there.

  50. Jack in the Jack says: Sep 4, 2009 11:56 AM

    Why would the NFL moved to a descending city instead of an ascending city? Jacksonville is one of the fastest growing cities in America. Florida, as a whole, is one of the fastest growing states in America. With the depression going on in this state, people are pinching pennies but the NFL wasn’t built for now, it was built for the long haul. Once the economy turns back around the fan base will come back. Florio hates Jacksonville because he was beat up by an old lady with arthritis at the Gator Bowl after his Worst Vagina Mounatainqueers got beat by the Tulsa Welding school.

  51. spyboots says: Sep 4, 2009 12:26 PM

    Don’t worry. When the season starts, opposing teams’ fans will buy tickets and overrun (I mean help fill up) the Jags’ stadium.

  52. Jimsjam33 says: Sep 4, 2009 12:43 PM

    NFL football ? No thanks . We get all the games on TV for free and we don’t have to pay license fee’s , tickets , parking , $ 8.00 beers , $ 6,50 hot dogs and sitting in the gang banger infested Coliseum area . NFL football . Yeah right .
    The NFL left us in 1995 and stole the Rams , The Raiders never did belong here in the first place . good riddence. We can live with USC , UCLA ,Lakers , Clippers , Kings , Ducks , Dodgers , Angels , Galaxy , dozens of top golf courses , georgous beaches , mountains , Santa Anita , Hollywood Park , Fairplex , Del Mar , Hollywood , Disneyland , Legoland , LA Zoo , Descanso Gardens and of course great ocean sport fishing , Big Bear , Arrowhead , Six Flags . NFL football ? Screw them . They screwed us !

  53. Free_Tramopoline says: Sep 4, 2009 12:54 PM

    @ Flac attack;
    Forgive me for not studying a map before posting a comment on the internet, clearly I am not as wise as you. All I was saying is that with the NFL playing games in Canada and England, why not have Hawaii have a team? I don’t think it’d be too much of a stretch. Good for you for resulting to name-calling like a five-year-old by the way, you must feel like a big man.

  54. Zox says: Sep 4, 2009 1:01 PM

    Come out with a negative Jags article everyday….doesnt matter.
    Jags arent going anywhere.

  55. SteelTown_6 says: Sep 4, 2009 1:01 PM

    “…# Jimsjam33 says: September 4, 2009 12:43 PM
    NFL football ? No thanks . … We can live with … Legoland …”
    Hey, whatever gets you through the winter.

  56. SteelTown_6 says: Sep 4, 2009 1:05 PM

    “…# Free_Tramopoline says: September 4, 2009 12:54 PM
    … why not have Hawaii have a team? …”
    I recall the Patriots players getting booed there during the ’07 Pro Bowl. Think about that. Who the **** gets booed in Hawaii?? I mean Jeeezus, c’mon, the Japanese don’t even get booed there.

  57. Big Vinny says: Sep 4, 2009 1:19 PM

    I was a Jaguar season ticket holder for 8 years. Then three kids and one wife later I couldnt’ float it.
    Last night’s game was the first game in our 14+ years that I didn’t either watch a game in person, on TV, or listen on the radio.
    With literally half of the games on the books to be blacked out I figured what was the point in getting too invested.
    Blackouts breed apathy. And I’ve reached the apex of apathy before the first regular season game.
    Guess I’ll just be a fan of whoever they put on TV locally after the Jaguars leave. Just hope it’s not Leftwich and the Bucs. Sheesh!!!!

  58. Siggy00 says: Sep 4, 2009 1:20 PM

    “The whole blackout rule is just a part of the owner’s master plan. It won’t be long before all sporting events are available only on Pay-Per-View”
    You mean like they are now?
    They’ll never abandon local network sports programming. The Sunday ticket, Center Ice, Extra Innings, and NBA league pass (as well as college football) are basically pay per view packages anyway.

  59. matt Russell says: Sep 4, 2009 1:24 PM

    maybe you should type your posts into Word first…
    I have a couple of friends from JAX and they are obsessed with “The Faguars” as i affectionately call them. people in jacksonville think they have the greatest city on earth and that they can’t get no respect. idiots. also, their colors are gay.

  60. hayward giablommi says: Sep 4, 2009 1:47 PM

    SteelTown_6 says:
    On the one hand, I see what you’re saying, since I live out of my team’s market and get most (but not all) of their games on TV. I cannot get the Sunday Ticket, but I would if I could…but this is not necessarily an issue for fans living in their team’s area.
    But on the other hand, you don’t account for sponsors, who will balk at buying advertising for games that are not going out over the free airways and thus will be seen by a much smaller audience. also, think the public is going to buy $300 uniforms and other merchandise if their paying to just watch games? No. I am not all that familiar with anti-trust laws, but that will surely become an issue as well.
    In short, its not happening any time soon.

  61. Seeryer says: Sep 4, 2009 1:50 PM

    The unemployment rate is 9.7% and the state of FL has been pounded extremely hard by the burst in the housing bubble. Who gives a crap what attendance is for the final preseason game on a THU night prior to a holiday weekend? Florio is such a douche for beating this horse. You are nothing but a corporate tool and NBC has many holdings in LA. TBY and MIA will struggle with attendance this year as well. When we rip Indy’s ass next Sun and we will, I wager at least 60K will be in the stadium when the Cards come to town. The NFL and the media need to chill out and face reality, the economy has been in total decline since DEC 2007 and the NFL wants to keep the blackout rule in effect and talk about moving the Jags because people aren’t buying enough tickets? What a bunch of out of touch elitists. If the NFL wants to face a serious backlash from the American people then they will continue to act as if they aren’t aware of the greatest economic downturn since the great depression. I guess it is hard to realize what is going on in the real world from Goodell’s gated community. I say the people ought to black out the NFL one week so these money hungry bastards that institued a policy in the early ’70s when then league was not guanranteed $20 billion over the next two years for TV rights might wake up. The consumers, the fans, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE deserve some respect and a revision of the blackout policy. A compromise of no blackouts allowed for back to back home games or no blackouts period as long as the unemployment rate is over 8.5%. Step the f- up Goodell and do what is right and what the people that have made your business so lavish deserve.

  62. El Duderino says: Sep 4, 2009 1:52 PM

    Alright, we get it, you don’t like the Jags…

  63. FlacAttack5 says: Sep 4, 2009 2:04 PM

    Free_Tramopoline says:
    Good for you for resulting to name-calling like a five-year-old by the way, you must feel like a big man.
    Not a big man, just a better one.

  64. Jimsjam33 says: Sep 4, 2009 2:13 PM

    Steeltown ,
    Funny , you took only one of the 25 options I gave you for a weekend in Los Angeles without the NFL . I understand .
    Remember , we don’t have snow plows clearing streets leading to our stadiums . While you’re shoveling snow to get your car out of your garage we are trying to decide what option the family can do in 75% sunshine . Children do like Legoland as an option .
    As far as Jacksonville goes it’s a beautiful city and it should keep it’s football team . They deserve it . Los Angeles salutes the NFL with the one finger salute !

  65. This is not news says: Sep 4, 2009 2:16 PM

    I’d trade the Rams for Canter’s Deli.

  66. windex666 says: Sep 4, 2009 2:22 PM

    The Raiders have a crap team, a crap stadium, and crap fans. Somebody please move them to L.A.
    Mayor Dellums

  67. Zox says: Sep 4, 2009 2:56 PM

    Well said.

  68. ron63033 says: Sep 4, 2009 4:44 PM

    And you wander why Taligabut put the expansion franchise in Jacksonville instead of St.Louis! What idiots!!!!!!!

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