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Report: Pats shipping Richard Seymour to Oakland

Wow.

According to Adam Schefter of ESPN, the New England Patriots have traded defensive end Richard Seymour to the Oakland Raiders for a first-round pick in the 2011 draft.

Wow.

The move suggests that the Patriots realize they wouldn’t have been able to keep Seymour and nose tackle Vince Wilfork beyond 2009, whose contracts expire after the coming season.

And the decision to move Seymour could mean that the Pats are willing to pay Wilfork whatever he has requested in previous negotiations.

But there’s a chance Wilfork’s price tag just went north, because now the Patriots have a more compelling reason to keep Wilfork.

Meanwhile, Seymour’s role in the Raiders’ 4-3 defense is unclear.  He likely will play defensive tackle.  Also, the Raiders might decide to employ a 3-4 on a change-of-pace basis, especially with Greg Ellis on the team, too.

There’s also a chance that Seymour’s stay in Oakland will be a short one.  He has been shipped from one of the league’s premier franchises to the place that literally and figuratively has become the NFL’s Black Hole. 

Frankly, if the Raiders gave up a first-round pick in 2011 for Seymour without signing him to an extension, then it really is time for the league to step in and take over the team.

Given that there’s no reason to think the Raiders will improve their fortunes in the next two seasons, that first-round selection could be a very high one.  And the Pats typically don’t like to spend the kind of money that goes along with signing a top-five pick. 

That said, there might be a true rookie wage scale by 2011, which would make it cheaper and easier to sign one of the top incoming players.

Regardless, it’s a shocking move, one that no one saw coming.

But that’s fitting, since it’s been a shocking year in the NFL.

And we love every minute of it.

UPDATE:  Mike Reiss of the Boston Globe reports that the Patriots have confirmed the trade.

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105 Responses to “Report: Pats shipping Richard Seymour to Oakland”
  1. John from Concord says: Sep 6, 2009 10:59 AM

    Got to be one hell of a backstory here. I wonder if we’ll ever hear it.

  2. doe22us says: Sep 6, 2009 11:01 AM

    My sentiments exactly wow

  3. Dan says: Sep 6, 2009 11:02 AM

    Thank you for the great years Richard Seymour. May you end your career in Oakland like Mike Haynes, Jim Plunkett, and a few others did.
    You are a class act and will be missed.

  4. Oakfan23 says: Sep 6, 2009 11:02 AM

    Isn’t 2011 gonna be locked out anyway??

  5. Plunketthead says: Sep 6, 2009 11:03 AM

    Go Raiders!!!
    Looks like Al was serious about winning more SB’s.
    They will win the division this year and contend for the VL for the next few years.
    Back to domination for Als team.

  6. packmanuk says: Sep 6, 2009 11:03 AM

    Makes some sense
    Wilfork will get a new deal and Brady will become the highest paid player in the NFL

  7. canadianeh says: Sep 6, 2009 11:03 AM

    another coup for the Patriots… who will be picking in the top 5 again in 2011.
    Seymour is a good player, but Ty Warren, Jarvis Green and Derek Burgess can fill in well enough. Not to mention cap space.
    This is what makes good teams stay good and bad teams stay bad. the foresight to do something like this.

  8. Jaydub says: Sep 6, 2009 11:04 AM

    How does the NFL continue to allow Al Davis to stay in charge of that team?!
    Are you f’n KIDDING me?!?!

  9. Poo Flinging Monkey says: Sep 6, 2009 11:05 AM

    The Pats (rightfully) don’t want to absorb the massive cost of Seymour’s next contract, as his current deal is up at the end of 2009.
    Al Davis will probably overpay the hell out of Seymour, and further wreak havoc on the league’s pay structure.
    Seymour has got to be shitting himself this morning.

  10. Aias says: Sep 6, 2009 11:06 AM

    This never would have happened if Al Davis was still alive!

  11. carp killah says: Sep 6, 2009 11:06 AM

    Well, this is certainly shocking and surprising, however my second reaction is that this is a great deal for New England.
    A first rounder for a guy who is as old as he is? I know he’s a great D-Lineman, but he’s no Reggie White.
    They clearly have something else up their sleeve, either in the form of someone else on the depth chart who has shown tremendous ability this offseason, or there is a second part to this trade yet to come.

  12. gameday says: Sep 6, 2009 11:07 AM

    Patriots will just have to forfeit the first round pick they obtain from the Raiders when they are caught cheating………….again.

  13. SirSuperSouthern says: Sep 6, 2009 11:07 AM

    Holy crap!

  14. jetsfan76 says: Sep 6, 2009 11:08 AM

    Good deal for the pats….Last year on his contract.Getting a 1st round pick in the 2011 year bypassing the uncapped 2010 year is smart.The rookie System should be in place in 2011.
    The raiders will be lucky to get 5 wins and the Pats will get a playmaker at a fraction of a cost as to what they would pay for a 2010 draft pick.

  15. TFBuckFutter says: Sep 6, 2009 11:08 AM

    Two ways to look at that…..it sucks for this season, but having a top 5 pick in the draft will be sweet.

  16. samlv4 says: Sep 6, 2009 11:08 AM

    WTF???????????????

  17. Rmbay says: Sep 6, 2009 11:08 AM

    Maybe I’m in the minority on this one, but I think the Raiders are nuts unless they extend his contract, and even then there have been questions about whether Seymour is the same player he once was. Perhaps by 2011 the Raiders will be decent enough that this won’t cost them a top 10 pick, but with their recent history I wouldn’t bet on it.

  18. gameday says: Sep 6, 2009 11:08 AM

    Patriots should slide into the playoffs with a 10-6 or 11-5 record.
    Then get bounced in the first round.

  19. jerseypatriot says: Sep 6, 2009 11:08 AM

    Great move for the Pats.
    They traded someone who hasn’t been productive in years to the CFL in exchange for what will probably the first pick in the NFL draft in 2011.
    Go Belichick!

  20. Brohamma says: Sep 6, 2009 11:11 AM

    Done deal!
    http://twitter.com/realpatriots
    I’m sad to see this happen but Wilfork has to be taken care of and Seymour has had his share of injuries over the past couple of years. For the Patriots to get the 2011 first rounder from Oakland… nice! That pick will most likely project to be a top ten. For New England to get that kind of return on Seymour is outstanding.
    This time of year is rough. Thanks for all the commitment, professionalism and enjoyment that you brought all of us Patriot’s fans.

  21. Quagmire says: Sep 6, 2009 11:12 AM

    Here I was thinking Al was just a crazy old coot, he now removed all doubt…this deal is not good for old Al. If the union & league agree on a rookie salary cap, he may be giving away the #1 overall pick, one that will not take all that much $$ to sign (relatively speaking).
    “Just wheeze baby”

  22. tallflguy says: Sep 6, 2009 11:12 AM

    HOLY CRAP!!! I thought they would deal Wilfork, but not Seymour. Once again, HOLY CRAP!!!

  23. TFBuckFutter says: Sep 6, 2009 11:13 AM

    “gameday says:
    September 6, 2009 11:07 AM
    Patriots will just have to forfeit the first round pick they obtain from the Raiders when they are caught cheating………….again.”
    Still just as stupid as the first round, huh? WHY DIDN’T THEY TAKE THE 10TH OVERALL PICK INSTEAD OF THE 30TH!? THIS IS UNFAIR!
    They can’t dock a draft pick that is the completion of a trade. It’d be like docking a team a player.
    That aside, your joke wasn’t funny anyway. Tard.

  24. gameday says: Sep 6, 2009 11:14 AM

    The league needs to force Al Davis out . The guy has lost all sound mental reasoning.

  25. steeler-hater says: Sep 6, 2009 11:15 AM

    Like PT Barnum once said, “there’s ‘one’ born every minute”.
    If Oakland doesn’t start winning soon, this pick will be very early in the first round. IMO, Seymour ain’t worth a Top 10 draft choice.
    A second rounder maybe but not an early first rounder.
    Looks like another Deon Branch trade…

  26. Oakfan23 says: Sep 6, 2009 11:16 AM

    Hey pats fans, wilfork’s contract just went up bcuz the teams leverage just went down. Now wilfork and Brady still need new contracts, how much do you guys think that will cost?? The Pats won’t be able to to sign other guys, and their defense is gonna suck this year!! Better hope the most important knee in New England holds up this year, LOLLLL!! And 2011 is probably gonna be locked out anyway.

  27. empty13 says: Sep 6, 2009 11:17 AM

    playoffs? the chargers clinched the division the day garcia was cut. the games will be superfluous.

  28. Ralph Gre Nader says: Sep 6, 2009 11:17 AM

    Hey Invaiduh……..
    Ba-Haaa……MUAHAHAHAHA.
    I love this team. Go Raiders! 0-16,anyone?

  29. Joe in Toronto, Canada says: Sep 6, 2009 11:17 AM

    jerseypatriot says: September 6, 2009 11:08 AM
    Great move for the Pats.
    They traded someone who hasn’t been productive in years to the CFL in exchange for what will probably the first pick in the NFL draft in 2011.
    Go Belichick!
    ======================================
    Uh huh. Seymour had 8 sacks last year, tying for a career best.
    Moron.

  30. longrodvanhungendong says: Sep 6, 2009 11:19 AM

    That 1st round pick will be a high pick no doubt. I bet the Pats turn around and flip it for a younger, established starter……this season!

  31. Citizen Strange says: Sep 6, 2009 11:19 AM

    The bad news for the Patriots is Belichick has started to believe his own press clippings about what a genius he is.
    The one and only reason for Belichick’s success was accidentally drafting Ton Brady in the sixth round. Other than that Belichick has the football personnel expertise of Jerry Jones.

  32. tryfe says: Sep 6, 2009 11:22 AM

    Hooooooooooooooolllllllyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy CCCRRRRRRRAAAAAAAPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!! Raiders….hahahahahhaha

  33. VegasBronco says: Sep 6, 2009 11:24 AM

    Lets really evaluate the trade. Pats get Derek Burgess and a 2011 first and Oakland get Richard Seymour.
    Pats just freed up cap space and Oakland obtained a FA in 2010.
    Iagree WOW

  34. Ben B says: Sep 6, 2009 11:25 AM

    The Eagles are only carrying 1 backup DT and 7 WR and 4 QBs.
    I think the Birds may possibly trade Reggie brown or Mr. Kendra, Feely and a Pick to Oakland for Seymour. Either that or The Eagles thought they had a trade in place with NE and when Seymour said he still wanted to be an FA, they backed out. Or the Pats stunned at Oakland’s stupidity took the pick over the players.

  35. fellasheowed says: Sep 6, 2009 11:25 AM

    so al looks around the nfl and the only one he trusts to give away his draft picks is the patriots? don’t worry about seymour, his creaky knees will have him out of the league by then and the pats will draft their qb with the pick. i would ask about whether or not the pats have naked pics of al or something but i think its gotten beyond that. al is the old guy, belichick is anna nicole, belichick just flashes boobs and gets al to do what he wants.

  36. MostNutsEver says: Sep 6, 2009 11:26 AM

    The Patriots have clearly found out how to use the Jedi Mind Trick, as that is the only way they can get such one sided trades (from the Raiders).

  37. apage53915 says: Sep 6, 2009 11:27 AM

    As a Die Hard Raider fan I hate this trade, I think Seymour is a good player but not worth any 1st round pick. I think Florio is right on by saying the league may need to look at this and consider taking over the franchise. I sure as hell wish I had the money to take over team ala Jerry Jones with the Cowboys did in the late 80’s.
    I will always be a Raider fan but Mr Davis has to go, this is nuts.

  38. CaptainFantastik says: Sep 6, 2009 11:27 AM

    A first round pick for Seymour?! LOL. The Raiders are a total and complete clusterf#&k of a franchise from top to bottom.

  39. firesnake says: Sep 6, 2009 11:29 AM

    Sorry, but chopping Vrabel, Bruschi, Harrison, and Seymour (who had a good year last season) in one offseason … I don’t get it. Sometimes you just have to let people walk when their contract expires. This would have been a contract year for him.
    And they pay Fred Taylor 3 Million. Sorry, but am I the only guy who doesn’t get it?
    Regarding the draft: statistically, they can be uber-happy if two of the four first picks this year work out. Anybody keeps telling me they got four starters out of their first four picks. That’s nuts.
    Sorry, but LBs stink, DBs stink, the defense looks worse than last season (when it was horrible).
    Do they try to adapt the expected performance this season to the throwback hoodies???

  40. Krow says: Sep 6, 2009 11:29 AM

    If this was unwilling then I’d say Oakland got raped. But since the went along with it’s only an unfortunate f’ing that they’ll regret later.

  41. JoeSixPack says: Sep 6, 2009 11:29 AM

    Wow – a 1st round pick – likely the #1 pick in the draft – for a guy the Patriots weren’t going to re-sign anyways?
    I’m expecting a whole new round of allegations that Belichick cheated the Raiders.

  42. Kanesville says: Sep 6, 2009 11:30 AM

    Ho. Lee. Chit.

  43. EdReed4prez says: Sep 6, 2009 11:35 AM

    Dear NE FO,
    I would like to take this time to remind you that your high powered offense has won you zero rings. You just traded perhaps the most versatile defensive player in the league for less than the broncos wouldve accepted for marshall. Since the ravens have an away game in foxboro I would like to thank you for your stupidity.

  44. Backinthesaddle says: Sep 6, 2009 11:36 AM

    Great move by the Pats. This is how they stay on top. Seymour is at the back side of his career, his contract is up at the end of this season, the Pats have a multitude of other guys to extend…Wilfork in particular….and here they’re able to get a 1st rounder for him. They are fairly deep at D-line anyway with two encouraging rookies entering the fold as well. So although Richard is an excellent player, the Pats will be fine on the line. Mike Wright and Jarvis Green are proven vets. Ron Brace and Myron Pryor will develop.
    Great business move. They couldn’t sign everybody…too many big contract guys to extend.
    Richard, thanks for being a Patriot. Sorry you ended up in Oakland….but you already have 3 rings.

  45. Festivus says: Sep 6, 2009 11:37 AM

    gameday says: The league needs to force Al Davis out . The guy has lost all sound mental reasoning.

    Yea trading a 1st round pick with a potential 50% bust rate for A PROVEN PRO BOWL PLAYER is really dumb.
    Hey Florio, how about an IQ test before allowing people to post here? Unreal, the retards that come out of the closet for things like this.

  46. Common Sense says: Sep 6, 2009 11:38 AM

    What’s the 1st pick matter for the Raiders, they’d just waste it away. Plus they get a guy who has shown he can play at a very high level, 3 rings.

  47. 49ersrevenge says: Sep 6, 2009 11:41 AM

    Nice acquisition for the Raiders. They are still awful but at least they did something good for once.

  48. T. Romo says: Sep 6, 2009 11:42 AM

    I like the Raiders chances. Bellytitts is a fool.

  49. RedGoneWILD says: Sep 6, 2009 11:42 AM

    the Patriots continue to brutally ass rape the Raiders

  50. Tiberime says: Sep 6, 2009 11:45 AM

    I hate the patriots but i must admit that for several years now they are one of the most impressive teams the N.F.L. has ever seen.
    Every game we play against them is a chess match. Amazing players amazing coaching….sigh….so easy to hate them lol.

  51. firesnake says: Sep 6, 2009 11:48 AM

    In the FO forum somebody asked whether Peppers will now end up in Foxboro? (would be idiotic in my eyes …)

  52. maalea says: Sep 6, 2009 11:51 AM

    All of you asshats can’t have it both ways. You rip the Raiders for taking DHB over Crabtree. (Which is looking better every day) Now you rip them for trading a pick. If they sign Seymour, he will play 2 seasons before the pick comes due.

  53. TFBuckFutter says: Sep 6, 2009 11:51 AM

    “Quagmire says:
    September 6, 2009 11:12 AM
    Here I was thinking Al was just a crazy old coot, he now removed all doubt…this deal is not good for old Al.”
    I’d be surprised if Al is even alive in April of 2011. I don’t think it’s a bad deal for Al specifically.
    “Citizen Strange says:
    September 6, 2009 11:19 AM
    The bad news for the Patriots is Belichick has started to believe his own press clippings about what a genius he is.
    The one and only reason for Belichick’s success was accidentally drafting Ton Brady in the sixth round. Other than that Belichick has the football personnel expertise of Jerry Jones.”
    Brilliant point. I mean, just imagine if he didn’t have Tom Brady and had to rely on someone like Matt Cassel or something. What an embarrassing season that would be, huh?

  54. Jim Rome says: Sep 6, 2009 11:51 AM

    Ridiculous!

  55. Junior says: Sep 6, 2009 11:53 AM

    It’s amazing how you all assume this will be the #1 draft pick in 2011. Look at history will ya? The Raiders have had 2 #1 picks in their 50 seasons, 1962 (AFL), 2007. As bad as they have been lately, there is usually somone worse.

  56. Festivus says: Sep 6, 2009 11:53 AM

    Patriots got hosed. Look what the Vikings gave up for Jared Allen, a 1st, 2 3rds and a 6th.
    Belicheat is an idiot.

  57. Dan says: Sep 6, 2009 11:53 AM

    The raiders would pick a bust with the 1st round pick anyway… So in reality its a great trade for the Raiders.
    If Richard Seymour can clean up the raiders lack of discipline, it will be a great deal for them.
    I dont think the majority of the posters here realize how great Richard Seymour is. More than likely, he is going to the Hall of Fame. His win percentage is almost as good as Dan Hamnpton and he got in.
    For the idiot poster that said Raiders 0-16: Would they have gone 0-24 without Richard Seymour? They added a great DT. Raiders have more talent than people think. Al needs to step aside and hire someone to run the football operations.

  58. Jim Rome says: Sep 6, 2009 11:55 AM

    Maybe the NFL should adopt a veto rule as of that in your fantasy leagues. Ridiculous!

  59. TFBuckFutter says: Sep 6, 2009 11:55 AM

    “firesnake says:
    September 6, 2009 11:29 AM
    Sorry, but chopping Vrabel, Bruschi, Harrison, and Seymour (who had a good year last season) in one offseason …”
    Bruschi retired. Harrison has played in 31 games in the LAST FOUR YEARS and no other team was interested in signing him. Vrabel was still productive, but not worth what he was signed for, and needed to be moved to clear cap space to sign rookies and free agents. And they wouldn’t have been able to resign Seymour anyway….so instead of letting him walk, they come out of a tough situation with what should be a very productive player (or a nice bargaining chip to trade in the future)…..
    I don’t see anything wrong with any of the moves.

  60. TFBuckFutter says: Sep 6, 2009 11:56 AM

    “JoeSixPack says:
    September 6, 2009 11:29 AM
    Wow – a 1st round pick – likely the #1 pick in the draft – for a guy the Patriots weren’t going to re-sign anyways?
    I’m expecting a whole new round of allegations that Belichick cheated the Raiders.”
    It’s too bad the Hatriots aren’t bright enough to come up with a line like “Belichick must have video of Al Davis to get a deal like this.”

  61. jeremyb91 says: Sep 6, 2009 11:58 AM

    “Given that there’s no reason to think the Raiders will improve their fortunes in the next two seasons, that first-round selection could be a very high one. And the Pats typically don’t like to spend the kind of money that goes along with signing a top-five pick.”
    No reason? Let me give you plenty of reasons:
    QB Jamarcus Russell has improved this offseason (for which he spent basically his whole offseason at the Raiders facility) and looked better during the preseason.
    RB’s Darren McFadden and Michael Bush look like they’ll be around for quite awhile and McFadden has his speed back.
    TE’s Zach Miller and Brandon Meyers are two TE’s ready to really build a solid TE tandem for the next 10 years.
    If FB Oren O’neal stays healthy he’s going to be a human bowling ball for the next several years.
    WR’s Chaz Schilens was looking awesome prior to his foot injury and should only keep improving up on his game from last year. Darrius Heyward-Bey has already shown in games he draws double coverage his way thus making the Raiders offense more wide open. Louis Murphy has been the rookie of the camp.
    The O line is only improving each year from what once was a pathetic O line in ’06.
    Now the D line has become a solid D line for the next several years. Seymour and Tommy Kelly will create a rock solid DT tandem that hasn’t been seen on a Raiders team for 6 years.
    CB’s Nnamdi Asomogha and Chris Johnson are definite strengths for this team and if Richard Seymour drastically helps the D line get penetration in the pass rush and stop the rush these CB’s are going to have plenty of chances to make plays.
    There are several reasons why this Raiders team is going to become a sweet team in the future. You just have too much bias to see it.

  62. Alpheratz says: Sep 6, 2009 11:59 AM

    I’ll say this for Oakland, they know what they’re getting with Seymour.
    With a first round pick, you never know.
    Which is exactly why the Pats will turn this high pick into several lower ones when the time comes.
    This is reminiscent of the Lawyer Milloy situation.
    I do believe they won a Super Bowl that year.

  63. Monstersport says: Sep 6, 2009 12:00 PM

    Wow!……….I think, BB make a smart move, since the pats can’t afford to pay Seymour next contract that up in coming season and he playing hurt and getting old and trade him for a first round pick and I don’t think Vince Wilfork will last long in New England either. BB will use Top Pick to get second and third round picks, Brilliant!!!!!!!!

  64. stanjam says: Sep 6, 2009 12:03 PM

    The missed part of the deal is the Patriots have promised that their linemen will stop saying “tuck” under their breaths every time they play the Raiders lol.

  65. PFTiswhatitis says: Sep 6, 2009 12:03 PM

    smart move for the Pats. Richard was not going to be picked up next year and his play is off a bit. He isnt hungry enough and they got a high first for him!
    As far as Wilfork having more leverage, the kid from BC is all the leverage the Pats need. Having said that, I fully expect the Pats work it out with Wilfork anyhow.

  66. east96st says: Sep 6, 2009 12:09 PM

    Too bad the Giants didn’t offer one of their DLs that all have signed multi year contracts for Oakland’s next five number ones.

  67. twinkletoes says: Sep 6, 2009 12:11 PM

    For those of us hapless members of the Raider Nation, nothing is shocking anymore. Another typical shot-in-the-dark, knee jerk reaction from Al Davis.
    It’s not that this defense didn’t need a DT or two; they clearly did. But Al forced his own hand by overlooking opportunities to revamp the D-line prior to last season. Instead of looking at DTs with proven resumes who had fallen out of favor (Shaun Rogers, Kris Jenkins, John Henderson), Al instead has just paid the highest price for a player whose best years are likely behind him. Granted, Richard Seymour instantly becomes the best defensive lineman on this team, but where are his challengers? Tommy Kelly? He’d better be on direct deposit, because it’d take one shameless dude to actually show up at a bank to cash those paychecks.
    “Buy low, sell high.” Not here in Raiderland.

  68. LUNATIK RAIDER says: Sep 6, 2009 12:15 PM

    I see some of you are clueless. Let’s look at this trade closely. TThe Raiders now have Greg Ellis and Richard Seymour who are probowl veterans with 8 sacks each last year. You can’t say neither one is not productive. The Raiders defense is built on putting pressure on the QB to force him to throw into the teeth of the defense that Raiders are good at (Pass Defense) now as far as a 1st round pick in 2011 do you really think it will be a high one? For the past 50 years at the beginning of each decade the Raiders are always at play for a Superbowl (Look it up 60’s, 70’s, 80’s, 90’s, 00’s) Every last one with the next decade set to start next year. Also forecast the Raiders Record, Denver isn’t the same Denver, Kansas City is starting over and San Diego’s Window is damn near shut coming off an 8-8 season. So maybe Al Davis is crazy (like a fox) and we all know there’s a thin line between being crazy and being a Genius cause we all know about Einstein. Silver & Black is Back believe that!

  69. PypersRealm says: Sep 6, 2009 12:18 PM

    I feel bad for Seymour. He just got a one year sentence to Football Hell.
    1) Was the trade really for a 2011 pick instead of a 2010 pick? The Patriots reportedly did that with David Thomas as well. I initially thought it was a typo but now that doesn’t look to be the case. I’d really like the media to figure out why the the Pats feel are higher on the 2011 draft than the 2010.
    2) If Seymour isn’t resigned then one intriguing possibility is that he could actually return next season and we’d still have Oakland’s #1 in exchange for the one year hiatus.
    Good luck Seymour. See ya next year!

  70. JSpicoli says: Sep 6, 2009 12:19 PM

    I hate to break up your beat-off session here haters, but you are all assclowns. I’ll take proven and now, for some potentially overrated bustoid. No one really knows jack, except Seymour is a player.
    Gee, we could draft the next Vernon Gholston and have him instead of Seymour. Take the franchise away from the guy because he is making moves and trying to improve the team. Call Jack Buck. How disgusting.

  71. firesnake says: Sep 6, 2009 12:22 PM

    TFBuckFutter says:
    September 6, 2009 11:55 AM
    “[…] Harrison has played in 31 games in the LAST FOUR YEARS and no other team was interested in signing him. Vrabel was still productive, but not worth what he was signed for, and needed to be moved to clear cap space to sign rookies and free agents ”
    Sorry, but the 2.5 Mio they cleared with Vrabel (I think Pioli got the sweeter end of the deal …) were wasted on Taylor (3 Mio this year).
    How many games did they win without Harrison?
    There is also a leadership aspect with all of these guys, Vrabel being one of the smarter defenders in the league.
    I believe Mayo will play a little worse than last year (what do you expect of such a young guy), and with Seymour gone this defense looks like the worst the Patriots have fielded in years. And last year they … umm … stunk.
    And they got NOTHING for Seymour. And who can predict a) how the Raiders will fare over the next TWO seasons b) whether there will be a rookie wage scale come 2011 and c) whether there will be a draft come 2011 AT ALL.
    Sorry, but several of the moves the Pats have made this offseason look weird. Not extending players past 2010 …

  72. masterblaster78 says: Sep 6, 2009 12:34 PM

    The Raiders trade Moss, trade Burgess, let Walter go all to the Pat’s for low draft choices, then Al Davis turns around and gives up a first round draft choice for someone short term? Granted Seymour is a great player, but a 1st round trade? How old is Al Davis again? He’s totally lost it. Who’s he going to cut to make room, Bush, Fargas or who? The logic just doesn’t make sense. Old timers has set in

  73. Oakfan23 says: Sep 6, 2009 12:37 PM

    Raiderfans, don’t listen to the haters, especially the New England fans, who KNOWWWWW that the defense just took a MAJOR hit!!! an already weak defense at that!! Oakland will be better than people think, There is finally order in the coaching ranks and sound moves. So What if they gave up a first -rounder 2 yrs from now, lol, so what?? We all know Billy boy isn’t gonna keep it, he’s gonna pick up a bunch of mid-rounders and trust the “system” which i’ll admit has worked. But all his assistants are gone and we know they haven’t won a superbowl since Weis and Crennel left. Improved play and all this talk goes away raidernation!! Raiders needed another “guy” on the d-line and they got him, and they pay for him 2 yrs. from now. Patriots are the team with “realistic” SB aspirations, and their defense just got worse. New England is under pressure, not Oakland.

  74. descendency says: Sep 6, 2009 12:46 PM

    Richard Seymour just made whoever their DEs are a lot better. He will demand double teams in the middle leaving OTs with 1 on 1 matchups on the outside with DEs. However, If they don’t resign Seymour, this could blow up in their face when they fall back down the next year.
    While I don’t completely agree with Jeremyb91’s assessment of the raiders, He is right to say that too many people joke the Raiders without even knowing a players name… They have the leagues BEST CB. They’ll have a good to great DL now. They definitely have speed on offense. I think this is a Raiders team you can see competing for 8-8 to 10-6 this season.

  75. World Champs Raiders 3 Chargers 0 says: Sep 6, 2009 12:54 PM

    Patriots have traded away the core of their defense no Vrabel, Bruschi, Harrison, and Seymour. Oakland got a great deal considering what the Vikings gave up for Jared Allen, a 1st, 2 3rds and a 6th picks. Raiders win the West, good job AL.

  76. TFBuckFutter says: Sep 6, 2009 1:01 PM

    “firesnake says:
    September 6, 2009 12:22 PM
    Sorry, but the 2.5 Mio they cleared with Vrabel (I think Pioli got the sweeter end of the deal …) were wasted on Taylor (3 Mio this year).”
    Fred Taylor is one year removed from a 1200 yard season, with a 5.4 YPC average. The Pats running game has been terrible. Even if he ends up being a complimentary RB, that is apparently more valuable to the team than a complimentary LB. They are emphasizing a 4-3 system more this year, which means Vrabel would be competing with Adalius Thomas (no competition) and Derrick Burgess for playing time. The team is trying to get younger, and a slipping 35 year old LB doesn’t do that.
    “How many games did they win without Harrison?”
    Well, he’s averaged less than 8 games a year over the last 4 years, and the Pats have won double digits each year, and finished 1st in the division…..so, I don’t think he’s that integral.
    “There is also a leadership aspect with all of these guys, Vrabel being one of the smarter defenders in the league.
    I believe Mayo will play a little worse than last year (what do you expect of such a young guy), and with Seymour gone this defense looks like the worst the Patriots have fielded in years. And last year they … umm … stunk.”
    People seem to be forgetting about Adalius Thomas an awful lot. I guess it’s easy to forget that he was considered the gem of the 2007 defensive FA class, and missed half the season with a broken arm last year.
    And they got NOTHING for Seymour. And who can predict a) how the Raiders will fare over the next TWO seasons b) whether there will be a rookie wage scale come 2011 and c) whether there will be a draft come 2011 AT ALL.
    “Sorry, but several of the moves the Pats have made this offseason look weird. Not extending players past 2010 …”
    No they don’t. They were all focused on getting the team in position to compete for a long time, and shoring up weaknesses with stopgaps (Fred Taylor). There was nothing odd about any of the moves the Pats made.
    Fans have this sky-is-falling attitude EVERY offseason. “Oh no we lost Deion Branch” “Oh no we lost Damian Woody” “Oh no we lost Lawyer Milloy”……name ONE player the Pats have shed that came back to be as productive, or moreso, after being removed from the team…..just one.

  77. CaptainFantastik says: Sep 6, 2009 1:03 PM

    Only the Raiders (Al Davis) could display such a level of incompetence and stupidity as to make them the most tragically comical franchise in the NFL on the heels of the NFL’s first 0-16 season. Seriously, the Lions fans have more reason for optimism than the Raiders fans.

  78. Red riding hood says: Sep 6, 2009 1:05 PM

    Raiders gain a clubhouse leader that knows how to win and can spread that attitude. If re-signed this could be a good move by Raiders as Seymour was productive last year.

  79. JSpicoli says: Sep 6, 2009 1:12 PM

    The Quaterback must go down and he must go down hard.

  80. TFBuckFutter says: Sep 6, 2009 1:12 PM

    “descendency says:
    September 6, 2009 12:46 PM
    Richard Seymour just made whoever their DEs are a lot better. He will demand double teams in the middle leaving OTs with 1 on 1 matchups on the outside with DEs. However, If they don’t resign Seymour, this could blow up in their face when they fall back down the next year.”
    That is very insightful…..it would be slightly more insightful if Richard Seymour were a DT…..

  81. firesnake says: Sep 6, 2009 1:36 PM

    TFBuckFutter says:
    September 6, 2009 1:01 PM
    “name ONE player the Pats have shed that came back to be as productive, or moreso, after being removed from the team…..just one.

    Asante Samuel.
    The Patriots had one of the top 5 rushing attacks in the league last year, and I believe Maroney will have a big year. I always liked Fred Taylor, but THREE MIO????
    And look at the roster and count the number of fullbacks. You will find a grand total of – drum roll – zero.

  82. whywerule says: Sep 6, 2009 1:38 PM

    That is very insightful…..it would be slightly more insightful if Richard Seymour were a DT…..
    Seymour has been known to play DT, and very effectively, when the Pats are in a 4-3 defense. Belichick has always liked moving him around. DE in a 3-4 or 4-3 or DT in a 4-3, he is a very good and, obviously, versatile player. However, the Raiders do have to extend him beyond this season for this trade to make any sense for the Raiders.

  83. firesnake says: Sep 6, 2009 1:47 PM

    “name ONE player the Pats have shed that came back to be as productive, or moreso, after being removed from the team…..just one.”
    Asante, Ty Law, Adam Vinatieri (I like Gostowski, but in the SB he wasn’t allowed to kick the FG). Graham is ok’ish in Denver.
    I hope they won’t get rid of Kevin Faulk …

  84. east96st says: Sep 6, 2009 1:50 PM

    LUNATIK RAIDER says: “TThe Raiders now have Greg Ellis and Richard Seymour who are probowl veterans with 8 sacks each last year. You can’t say neither one is not productive.”
    Here’s a thought for you while you’re busy putting on your silver and black makeup, perhaps the reason they were productive was that the teams they were on had offenses that put their team ahead forcing the other team to pass and that they were surrounded by better than average teamates while on defense. Gibril Wilson looked like great when he was playing for NY during their Super Bowl run. How’s he been working out for you in Oakland?

  85. LUNATIK RAIDER says: Sep 6, 2009 2:02 PM

    Seymour is only 29….

  86. Sergeant Smoke says: Sep 6, 2009 2:08 PM

    east96st… agreed! Randy Moss before and after Oakland = best receiver in football… during his Oakland stay… awful.
    As far as this trade goes, does anyone ever wonder how New England does it? Trade old players for 1st round picks…. and with Oakland being Oakland, this will be a high first round pick.

  87. CHILDPLEASE says: Sep 6, 2009 2:15 PM

    Come on Al your offensive line can’t push your wheel chair and you trade a #1 for an aging defensive end for a 3-4. What the hell. Yes he’s aging he’s 29. How many play past 30?

  88. CHILDPLEASE says: Sep 6, 2009 2:22 PM

    Belicheck gets a #1 from Oakland and he will trade that away for 4 or 5 late round players to stock his team. That #1 will be a pair of second round picks and three third rounders. New England gets players not stars.

  89. encinitasraider says: Sep 6, 2009 2:36 PM

    davis has addressed the short term need of our DLINE without giving up too much….
    We traded Burgess to the Pats for a 3rd and 5th rounder and we give up a 2011 1st round pick…
    did ESPN think about that yet? The Raiders over the last 3 years have had a lot more sucess in the draft with 3rd rounders and 5th rounders….
    We also picked up Ellis from the Cowboys so with Seymour and Ellis this make us a hell of a lot better than Burgess and Scott last year..

  90. Ralphie says: Sep 6, 2009 2:38 PM

    Oakfan23 says:
    September 6, 2009 11:16 AM
    Hey pats fans, wilfork’s contract just went up bcuz the teams leverage just went down. Now wilfork and Brady still need new contracts, how much do you guys think that will cost?? The Pats won’t be able to to sign other guys, and their defense is gonna suck this year!! Better hope the most important knee in New England holds up this year, LOLLLL!! And 2011 is probably gonna be locked out anyway.
    _________________________________
    Yeah, maybe there is a lockout, but your dementia is almost on par with Al’s. There will STILL be a draft noob so the Pats are guaranteed to get a player. And if there is a rookie salary cap put in place (which I bet there is) then the 1st round suddenly becomes a value round, just like the 2nd round is today. And since Oakland SUCKS that 1st rounder will probably be in the top 10.

  91. ANGELO says: Sep 6, 2009 2:42 PM

    After the raiders got ripped by the Saints in preseason I called the postgame radio show…I ripped that entire raiders d-line except for Ellis. Tommy Kelly was supposed to be the 2nd coming of Richard Seymour…the hosts said Seymour was not a dt, but a de…….yes, he is and has played dt…. when seymour was an all pro at DT…he has since been allpro at DE also….Now the raiders have Richard Seymour…i believe they will move him all over the line. de, dt…
    So, it cost the Raiders a # 1 draft pick for a proven player…….hear the work, say the word….proven player…..
    Let’s worry about the next contract, next year…remember there may be no cap so why sign an extension now.
    Major upgrade for oakland.

  92. The Real Shuxion says: Sep 6, 2009 2:43 PM

    The # 8 pick in 2011 looks good IMO.
    But Seymour was gonna have a big year.
    Hopefully the defensive young guys step up.

  93. Paul_R. says: Sep 6, 2009 2:50 PM

    “Seymour is only 29″
    Seymour turns 30 in October. He also becomes an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season. The Patriots gave up one year of his service for a first-round pick. They got value for that one season. At the end of the season, he would have likely gone to another team which would have paid much more than what the Patriots would have offered. And, in return the Patriots would have received nothing.
    The Patriots have let other veterans move on to other teams and received compensatory picks in the ensuing years. But, there aren’t compensatory picks granted for players over 30, so the Patriots would not have received anything. Getting a first-round pick now is a much better option.

  94. dust32 says: Sep 6, 2009 3:32 PM

    The Raiders should sign Patrick Hape for veteran leadership.

  95. 909RaiderLifer says: Sep 6, 2009 3:38 PM

    Got to admit crazy Al isn’t afraid to roll the dice.
    The D line was in desperate need of help, now that is solved.
    Don’t be surprised if Al finds some extra cash stashed in one of his golf carts, to lock Seymour up for another 3 years.

  96. TFBuckFutter says: Sep 6, 2009 3:54 PM

    “firesnake says:
    September 6, 2009 1:47 PM
    “name ONE player the Pats have shed that came back to be as productive, or moreso, after being removed from the team…..just one.”
    Asante, Ty Law, Adam Vinatieri (I like Gostowski, but in the SB he wasn’t allowed to kick the FG). Graham is ok’ish in Denver.”
    A kicker is a kicker….and Gostkowski has actually been one of the best in the NFL, so I don’t really count Adam as a “player”. But yeah, he wasn’t really out of gas yet when New England let him walk.
    As for Law and Samuel…..well, Samuel has only been gone one season, and who knows what the future holds….however, every single quanifiable stat for him was worse in his first year away from New England as in his last year there (it’s actually now a two year trend in his dropoff). Wait, I take that back….he did have 4 more PDs than the prior season, but 2 less picks and 10 fewer tackles.
    As for Ty Law, HAH! He lead the league in INTs the year he left….and has been forgotten ever since.
    Again, no one has left New England and gone on to….ok, gone on to have the career it LOOKED like they were poised to have before they left New England.

  97. dunkingonuts says: Sep 6, 2009 4:46 PM

    I love these morons who assume Seymour will bolt after this season.
    1.) All will give Seymour an extension and he’ll take it.
    2.) Even if Seymour doesn’t there is a little thing called the franchise tag so he won’t be able to bolt.
    So the Raiders will get two years of Pro Bowl service before payment even comes due. yeah Al’s the moron….!

  98. Florios_a_tool says: Sep 6, 2009 5:53 PM

    “How do I feel about Tedy Bruschi?” Belichick said. “He’s a perfect player.” Bruschi’s reaction?
    “That’s something you’ll never hear during your career,” he said as he and Belichick laughed. “To have him say that to me is probably the best compliment he could ever give me. [ Kiss, kiss, BJ, hug, hug. ]
    Belichick trades Seymour…
    Seymour’s reaction?
    “The Raiders?? Thanks a LOT, bitch”

  99. JesseJames says: Sep 6, 2009 6:50 PM

    Billy just pantsed Al once again….depends and all…

  100. Raiders757 says: Sep 6, 2009 7:46 PM

    I just love how some of you assume that a pick in 2011 will be in the top five or ten. Can’t we get through this season first? To even try and predict how well the Raiders will play next season, is just stupid.
    The Raiders have needed help on the defensive line for years now, so I hope this move pays off. For a #1? I don’t like it, but something had to be done.

  101. World Champs Raiders 3 Chargers 0 says: Sep 6, 2009 9:00 PM

    Al’s made a great move and brought proven production and leadership over to Oakland. I can hear Philip Rivers crying already.

  102. Paul_R. says: Sep 6, 2009 9:49 PM

    Raiders757 says:
    I just love how some of you assume that a pick in 2011 will be in the top five or ten. Can’t we get through this season first? To even try and predict how well the Raiders will play next season, is just stupid.
    _____________________________
    Perhaps. But, we’ve also been reading about all of the turmoil with the team, the power struggles between various coaches, and the generally very bad atmosphere there. When everything going on with a team seems to be divisive and disruptive, nothing good can really happen on the field. You’re going to have different cliques of players working against others. You won’t have the same trust factor that other teams enjoy. At this point, after several years of 4 or 5-win seasons, the only thing the Raiders can do is stop talking about it and prove it on the field. I don’t see many people thinking they’ll do that.

  103. BP says: Sep 7, 2009 4:54 AM

    It’s been 3 years since Seymour was in the Pro Bowl. He was 27 then. He will be 30 in a few weeks. He isn’t great anymore, but he is still good. The Raiders got what they needed. It isn’t a bad trade for them.
    And a couple of you clowns say the Pats had a bad D last year. They were 8th, and that with seven starters out for major chunks of the season. This year will definitely be improved. Springs, Bodden, and Burgess are upgrades over last season. They added three 2nd round picks on defense. They all look like good picks.
    This is a good trade for the Pats. They don’t need Seymour. He missed half the season 2 years ago and they still went 16-0. They have 4 or 5 good to excellent veteran players and two promising rookies on the D line even without him.
    Actually, this is a good trade for both teams. What some are forgetting is the Raiders need to get better, now, not in two years.

  104. 808Smith says: Sep 7, 2009 7:32 AM

    I love how when the Pats keep a player it’s all about the team and he’s an integral cog in the machine, but when they just ship someone off it was a good move because he couldn’t have helped anyway.

  105. jaimelh02 says: Oct 19, 2011 1:23 AM

    Who got the better deal? Ya the Raiders!!! Al Davis screwed the patriots. How do those 1 and out in the playoffs feel patriots lol Good job Al I always believed in you. Carson Palmer will win you that super bowl. Hope you’re smiling in heaven

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