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Jones doesn't seem inclined to ever move video board

The league’s recent decision to leave the gigantic video board at Cowboys Stadium in place for 2009 had a temporary feel to it, with many assuming the league will nudge Jerry Jones to nudge the contraption farther from the playing surface before the 2010 campaign, which will end with the Super Bowl being played there.

But Jones doesn’t sound like a guy who’s willing to compromise after the coming season ends.

Based on comments Jones shared with Peter King of SI.com, that authorization to move the board will come only from a pen that has been pried from Jones’ lifeless left hand.  (Actually, he’s right handed; left just sounded better.)

“I once heard [former commissioner] Paul Tagliabue make a
speech,” Jones told King.  “He said at a new stadium, you should be blending
the technology with the game
and with the stadium experience.  That’s
what I’ve tried to do here.  I’ve had one league official tell me when
he went through the stadium that it’s the most dramatic fan experience
and use of technology he’s seen in 15 years. 

“I spent millions of
dollars to do exactly what we’re supposed to be doing as owners –
create a fan experience that will keep the fans coming back, because
you just can’t duplicate this anywhere else.  I’m maximizing the stadium
experience for fans.  And I think I have helped advance the ball for the
NFL.  Once you accept the concept of this stadium, and you’ve seen it
and really experienced, then I think we won’t have this discussion
anymore.”

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  1. Facts Domino says: Sep 7, 2009 9:45 PM

    The NFL and Jerry should split the bill with jacking it up to about 100-120 feet.

  2. Dustin Chandler says: Sep 7, 2009 9:47 PM

    dude, give a rest.
    that titans punter was just being a dick and hit the board to try and make the team or something…
    like
    “Hey GuyS Look hoW SStrOnG mY leg is…”
    Matt McBriar (Dallas punter) has one of the strongest (IF NOT THE STRONGEST) legs in the NFL.
    doesn’t bother him… shouldn’t bother you.
    quit cyrin’.

  3. FireJerryJones says: Sep 7, 2009 9:48 PM

    Welcome to Jerry’s World.

  4. Dustin Chandler says: Sep 7, 2009 9:48 PM

    dude, give a rest.
    that titans punter was just being a dick and hit the board to try and make the team or something…
    like
    “Hey GuyS Look hoW SStrOnG mY leg is…”
    Matt McBriar (Dallas punter) has one of the strongest (IF NOT THE STRONGEST) legs in the NFL.
    doesn’t bother him… shouldn’t bother you.
    quit cryin’.

  5. BradyGazelle says: Sep 7, 2009 9:49 PM

    I honestly can’t see how they can sell more than about 15,000 tickets per game to that overpriced place.
    I can’t wait until the Cowboys get off to a 2-6 start to see the blackouts start and Jerry’s blood pressure rising exponentially.

  6. PossibleCabbage says: Sep 7, 2009 9:49 PM

    Isn’t the NFL absolutely within its power to amend the rules after this season (when the competition committee normally does its thing) to change it so any hanging feature above the field has to be, say, at least 100 feet above it?
    What’s Jerry going to do then? He doesn’t get a seat at the competition committee table, as far as I know.

  7. owumd says: Sep 7, 2009 9:49 PM

    Watch that split infinitive in your headline.
    What are they teaching in law school these days anyway.

  8. Fike Mlorio says: Sep 7, 2009 9:51 PM

    i feel inclined to kick jerry “vox” jones in the balls

  9. sevendollarbologna says: Sep 7, 2009 9:52 PM

    There is no choice, pull the Super Bowl from Dallas.

  10. Big ben Rapistburger says: Sep 7, 2009 9:53 PM

    When a punter, in the Super Bowl, hits the Stadium, and the game has to have a “do-over”, it will be the most embarrassing thing for the NFL, EVER. Imagine Al Michaels trying to explain to 160 countries, why the game is having a do over. Classic.
    Yes, I realize that Michaels wouldnt figuratively be explaining it to all the viewers, because every country would have their own commentators, but you get the idea……
    Nice job Jerry. I hope that they put the camera right on you, sitting in your luxury box, when Al Michaels says, “..and there is Jerry Jones, owner of the most expensive and most beautiful stadium ever constructed…..but he was too stubborn, and too stupid to move the scoreboard, and that is why we have to have a do over in the SB…” A do over in the SB will take the greatest sporting event in the world, and reduce it to nothing more than a game of backyard football. Thanks Jerry, hopefully it will be your Cowboys that are in that game. And hopefully, the scoreboard nulifies a huge Cowboy play, and costs them the game when the outcome of the do over is completely different….

  11. stiller43 says: Sep 7, 2009 9:55 PM

    How embarrassing would it be to have do-over plays in playoff games or even the Super Bowl?
    Well, I guess the playoff do-over won’t happen because they won’t host playoff games…but a do-over in a Super Bowl would be inexcusable.

  12. benzo says: Sep 7, 2009 9:56 PM

    Mike Scifers is going to hit it every time you will all see

  13. Gweez says: Sep 7, 2009 9:58 PM

    Hmm strange that he never mentioned the fans when discussing the board. When some team decides to have their kicker hit the board 25 times in a row for 50 minutes in delays i wonder what will happen.

  14. madsqgrdn says: Sep 7, 2009 9:59 PM

    “In other words, the best way to get fans to ditch the HD (and eventually 3D) monitors hanging in their homes and pay good money to sit in a stadium is to give them a giant HD (and perhaps eventually 3D) monitor that happens to be hanging over the very spot where the game is being played.”
    yeah it seemed like some weird thunderdome when I saw it..the game pales in comparison

  15. PARavensJeff says: Sep 7, 2009 10:00 PM

    Threaten to yank the Super Bowl from his precious stadium & watch how fast that video board gets raised!!!

  16. TSE says: Sep 7, 2009 10:02 PM

    You guys are still missing a key angle here to the story, one of which that screws Jerry Jones.
    I don’t know the details between his plans and NFL approval or talks or what not, but the fact of the matter is that if there is this 85 foot rule and even if NFL officials APPROVED the design, that does NOT mean JJ is in the clear. The RULE is a construction rule, and he is fine there.
    However, if there is a rule in the general rulebook for gameplay that would penalize the Cowboys for the ball hitting the scoreboard, then JJ is in violation of that rule. The fact that the NFL didn’t conveniently word the construction rules to prevent an overlap is silly and dumb but still not legally the NFL’s problem, it’s JJ’s problem for NOT understanding the rules.
    For example, say there is a rule in the rulebook that says the stadium is not allowed to have foreign objects interfere with the gameplay. That covers stuff protruding from the sidelines or anything. And if the rule says any interruption with a live play is a delay of game, then hitting the scoreboard would violate THAT rule. So for purposes of hanging stuff, you could hang a banner for a retired player over the corner of the field, it has to be 85 feet. Or a scoreboard over the center, 85 feet. Fine. BUT, that doesn’t mean you don’t ALSO have to follow the OTHER rules.
    So for example, lets say I hung a sound machine 85 feet over the field, and this machine pumps in fake crowd noise. Well that’s not allowed. You can’t say that it’s 85 feet so it’s fine, because the height isn’t an issue, it’s the function it has on a game. There is a specific rule that says fake game noise is NOT allowed, thus it is a penalty. So, if a ball hits the scoreboard, that MIGHT be a penalty regardless of the fact that it satisfies the height rule, because it would be breaking this OTHER rule. Do you see the problem? Yes the NFL inconveniently wrote sloppy rules, but still they are the rules and the teams have to abide by them, and it’s JJ’s responsibility to foresee that.
    This is only an issue if there IS such a rule that says you can’t have stadium components interfere with the play or something that would apply to this situation. I just suspect there is some rule somewhere that would technically apply and thus JJ it’s your fault.
    So yes JJ you comply with stadium rules, but it’s your choice if you want to violate GAME rules, and if you do then you take the penalty, if not, then don’t design stuff that is going to break GAME rules even if it does satisfy stadium rules.
    So I say it SHOULD be a delay of game on the home team every time the board is it. Thus a team can now strategize to punt their way from their own 30 yard line until they get so many first downs that they are say at the Cowboy’s 30 yard line, and then they can hit it say one more time from there by snapping the ball and punting backwards to hit the board for one more free 5 yard penalty. It’s silly indeed, but it’s JJ’s fault for not figuring out that this board violates the GAME rule if one such exists which again I bet it does.
    And the NFL CANNOT advise him against that. They can only advise him on the stadium rules. To give him advice about how to play the game and strategize within a game is off limits. That’s like the NFL stepping in and telling the Lions not to draft Stafford because they think he sucks and they should pick somebody else. The NFL should not interfere if another team is making a tactical blunder. So the talks with NFL officials if they can anticipate this game play problem all they should do is tell JJ that he complies with stadium rules and is permitted to build it. BUT they cannot tip him off that he might be hurting his team on game day cause that’s not his right to get free advice on tactical decisions.

  17. superius says: Sep 7, 2009 10:03 PM

    I can stand Jones but I’m with him here I think. I was initially on the “make him raise it” side but I wonder if he doesn’t have a point.
    When the stadium was designed the placement of the videoboard was probably strategic. They may have designed costly box seats that are eye level with it, for example. Or even designed larger seating areas, concession areas, etc… with the video board in mind.
    For now I want to see a punt hit it in an NFL contest before I decide it is a problem..

  18. VoxVeritas says: Sep 7, 2009 10:04 PM

    Yeah but like the coward that you are, you’ll just go on feeling so inclined but never actually man enough to back up your words.

  19. geek says: Sep 7, 2009 10:04 PM

    I just love this whole story. A man spends a billion dollars on a stadium and neither he nor the league thought it was a good idea to test their gut feeling that 90 feet was high enough! That, my friends, is intuitive thinking at its finest!
    Well, every stadium has its quirks, and we’ll just have to get used to it. Baseball stadiums are built different sizes to make them homerun friendly or outfielder friendly. Patriots stadium was built to enhance wind in the winter time. Why can’t the Coqboys put up bumpers in the middle of the field if they want to? Both teams are playing on the same field, aren’t they?!
    So, now Jones has the worlds biggest TV, and the rest of us see fit to tell him what to do with it?! I don’t blame him for getting a little testy. But we’re all missing the bigger question here.
    Who pays the kind of money the Cowboys charge to have the privilege of entering their Football Cathedral to watch the team play football… on TV?! Can’t we all do that from any home in the world without having to pay the team a penny? I think this cowboy biggest TV fantasy is hilarious!

  20. VoxVeritas says: Sep 7, 2009 10:10 PM

    “I honestly can’t see how they can sell more than about 15,000 tickets per game to that overpriced place.”
    Cheapest seats in Gillette are $65. But you can get standing room tickets for $49. Cowboys Stadium has cheaper seat and standing room prices AND you have the added benefit of not having to smell the stench of years of organized cheating OR being surrounded by overweight, unibrowed Massholes. ***

  21. VoxVeritas says: Sep 7, 2009 10:13 PM

    “So yes JJ you comply with stadium rules, but it’s your choice if you want to violate GAME rules”
    You went through all of that crap to talk about a rule that doesn’t exist but you wish it did?

  22. 980110 says: Sep 7, 2009 10:13 PM

    Typical Jerry Jones. As I said in a previous post, Jerry Jones did NOT spend $1.2 billion on this stadium. The city of Arlington ponied up $933b and the NFL itself forked out another $150m. Well, according to my Microsoft Windows (TM) calculator, thats $1.083b. The reported pricetag is $1.15b. So Jones put up $67 million? About half of one years salary cap?
    In other words, and someone correct me if my facts are wrong, during these trying economic times, the taxpayers are funding the increased value of his franchise – which he could sell and keep all the profits- and they get the right to buy nosebleed season tickets for $2000. Good deal Jerry.
    If you want to know what happened to this country, there it is. Jerry Jones is on welfare.
    Good Luck

  23. Derrick says: Sep 7, 2009 10:17 PM

    Please refer to the cowboys stadium by it’s given name, the death star. That’s the official name…

  24. jarhead_jed says: Sep 7, 2009 10:17 PM

    @ TSE. Man, where do you buy your weed at? You MUST be high as a giraffe’s ass to write out that crazy rant because I just know you can’t be that ignorant. If ignorance is really bliss, you must be the happiest man on the planet.
    Jerry Jones gets what he wants, period. Get over it. No punts will hit the damn video board in a game, none.

  25. MikeFlorio'sSource1 says: Sep 7, 2009 10:19 PM

    Florio’s such a tool. He says “the pen will have to be ripped from Jerry’s left hand, he’s not really left handed, it just sounded better.” How the f*uck did it sound better Florio? Are you kidding me with these feeble attempts at humor?

  26. redsquare says: Sep 7, 2009 10:22 PM

    Does anyone honestly think that Matt McBriar can’t hit the board? And does anyone honestly think that Matt McBriar would ever choose to hit the board, if he valued his job? Lower my punt stats a little, or be out of a job… hmm, I’ll kick to avoid the board.
    My feeling is that Jones will “voluntarily” keep the board raised higher than 90 feet once it’s been raised for the U2 concert. He won’t do anything that makes it look like he’s being told what do to, but I could see him granting the ‘benevolent gesture’ if it’s done by his own free will.
    Plus it’d probably cost less to raise it without lowering it again. :)

  27. TSE says: Sep 7, 2009 10:23 PM

    Vox –
    How do you know a game rule doesn’t exist? You would have to comb through the rulebook carefully and find if ANY rule can apply to this through some interpretation. I don’t know if such a rule exists or not but I THINK it would. I know there are clauses about different things that constitute a “delay of game” and I think this board would apply to ONE of those rules.
    Keep in mind the NFL rulebook has nothing to do with stadium rules, I think the 85 foot thing is a special NFL construction code that is a separate issue not affiliated with the NFL rulebook that applies to games. It’s a funky technicality but nevertheless something that I believe actually exists. I have an NFL rulebook hardcopy, I’ll see if I can find the rule that would apply here…brb…

  28. VoxVeritas says: Sep 7, 2009 10:24 PM

    “Who pays the kind of money the Cowboys charge to have the privilege of entering their Football Cathedral to watch the team play football… on TV?!”
    OK real slow and simple for you, geek. Nobody’s going there to watch the game on TV. Yes, there is a big monitor hanging over the field…. but it’s not ON the field. Get it? You can see the field from wherever you sit. Most if not all people are going to watch the game on the field, catch replays, shots of the cheerleaders, game info, whatever on the screens.

  29. psychobob671 says: Sep 7, 2009 10:26 PM

    if he won’t raise the video screen then make
    him lower the playing field

  30. TSE says: Sep 7, 2009 10:31 PM

    Vox –
    How do you know a game rule doesn’t exist? You would have to comb through the rulebook carefully and find if ANY rule can apply to this through some interpretation. I don’t know if such a rule exists or not but I THINK it would. I know there are clauses about different things that constitute a “delay of game” and I think this board would apply to ONE of those rules.
    Keep in mind the NFL rulebook has nothing to do with stadium rules, I think the 85 foot thing is a special NFL construction code that is a separate issue not affiliated with the NFL rulebook that applies to games. It’s a funky technicality but nevertheless something that I believe actually exists. I have an NFL rulebook hardcopy, I’ll see if I can find the rule that would apply here…brb…

  31. Football Tim says: Sep 7, 2009 10:35 PM

    Let’s see if Jerry changes his mind about raising the scoreboard after the Cowboy punter hits it and on the do-over play the center snap goes sailing over the punters head and is recovered by the other team for a game winning touchdown that keeps the Cowboys from making the playoffs.

  32. Clock_Is_King says: Sep 7, 2009 10:42 PM

    Divine justice would be the scoreboard costing JJ and his cowgirls a playoffs run!

  33. Clevelander says: Sep 7, 2009 10:43 PM

    Couldn’t he have saved about $960,000,000 by just putting that screen in the middle of nowhere and building the world’s biggest drive-in for people that couldn’t afford tickets into the old stadium?
    For those of you speculating on the 85 foot thing, read the rest of Peter King’s article.

  34. VoxVeritas says: Sep 7, 2009 10:44 PM

    “Typical Jerry Jones. As I said in a previous post, Jerry Jones did NOT spend $1.2 billion on this stadium. The city of Arlington ponied up $933b and the NFL itself forked out another $150m. Well, according to my Microsoft Windows (TM) calculator, thats $1.083b. The reported pricetag is $1.15b. So Jones put up $67 million? About half of one years salary cap?”
    Taxpayer share was capped at $325 million and I believe the city issued a little less than $300 million worth of bonds to pay for their share. The extra costs are ongoing insurance and interest and do not go toward the cost of building the stadium. If you’d like to add that, you have to add it on top of the $1.15 billion price tag.
    The NFL does have a stadium fund that Jerry Jones pays into. He got $150 million out of that so that added to the $325 million equals $475 million. $1.15 billion minus $475 million leaves $725 million, and that’s what Jerry Jones directly paid for the new stadium.

  35. Blahman64 says: Sep 7, 2009 10:44 PM

    C’mon, everyone knows exactly why Jones bought that humongous TV set… When there is nobody there, he can watch porn on a huge TV.
    C’mon, seriously, he’s under the sheets with the NFL, so of course they are going to bend rules just for him.
    And I look forward to the Super Bowl being played in there, hopefully it’ll be in Overtime, and a miffed punt from the TV gets called back for a do-over, and the next play the receiving team runs it back for a game-winning touchdown. That’s what I call a 2-for-1 NFL F**K UP!

  36. VoxVeritas says: Sep 7, 2009 11:02 PM

    “Vox – How do you know a game rule doesn’t exist?”
    Same way that I know the Easter Bunny doesn’t exist.

  37. 10mm says: Sep 7, 2009 11:03 PM

    Jerryworld sold over 30.000 tickets to see a high school game today,.

  38. VoxVeritas says: Sep 7, 2009 11:04 PM

    Let’s see how loud you piggies would squeal if Jones had it moved to 85 feet.

  39. noname says: Sep 7, 2009 11:13 PM

    Has anyone thought what happens when a QB hits the scoreboard with a pass? It wouldn’t happen accidentally but say there’s nobody, why not hit the scorebaord and get a do over?

  40. VoxVeritas says: Sep 7, 2009 11:17 PM

    “Couldn’t he have saved about $960,000,000 by just putting that screen in the middle of nowhere”
    Cleveland’s already got a team. Or so they say.
    “C’mon, seriously, he’s under the sheets with the NFL, so of course they are going to bend rules just for him.”
    Jerry Jones is part of the NFL. The NFL’s rules are his rules.
    “hopefully it’ll be…”
    Yeah yeah, blab blah blahman. Heard every fantasy scenario. My fantasy is that somebody hits the boards, it ricochets and smacks one of you whiners in the mouth.

  41. TSE says: Sep 7, 2009 11:19 PM

    Ok the rulebook is a few hundred pages so I’m not going to read every page, but from glancing at it, here are a few rules that could apply that would put JJ in a position of having to pay to move the board or suffer the penalty consequences assessed. Again, these are NOT related to construction code rules that the NFL sets, they are GAME rules that MUST be followed. Just because you can have something satisfy the height rule doesn’t preclude it from violating a GAME RULE.
    Here’s a few I found that MAY apply depending on interpretations…
    Rule 12 Section 3, Article 1, item F…
    Possession or use of foreign or extraneous object that are not part of the uniform ….
    That one VIOLATES unsportsmanlike conduct, so there is ONE possibility.
    Secondly, there are several references about palpably unfair acts that are up to referee discretion, that could apply, third there is a general sportsmanlike rule that says…
    There shall be no unsportsmanlike conduct…this applies to any act which is contrary to the generally understood principles of sportsmanship.
    So, if you say that simply having the board there is against sportsmanship in general, then that general rule would apply. SOME examples that are listed in this section point to things that are unsportsmanlike for sure but it also says “among others” in the preface of the rule to indicate that it is open-ended for anything that can fit within the scope of unsportsmanlike conduct, which COULD include placing a giant scoreboard above the field!
    Ahh here’s ANOTHER good one…
    Rule 4 Article 9….
    The ball must be put in play promptly and ANY action or inaction by either team that tends to prevent this is a delay of game.
    That is the exact rule. So if I’m playing against the Cowboys and I kick the scoreboard, I then contest that the Dallas team is stopping the ball from being put into play through the inaction of raising the scoreboard.
    In Rule 15 that has to do with referee powers and jurisdiction there is a blanket statement that basically says the referee has final say and general oversight of any disagreements and that his decision is final.
    Here’s some of the language regarding the palpably unfair acts:
    The Referee, after consulting the crew, enforces any such distance penalty as they consider equitable and irrespective of any other specified code penalty. The referee could award a score.
    That is exact wording above. So if the other team contests that the scoreboard is palpably unfair, then the Referee has open-ended authority to award any distance penalty that he feels is equitable.
    So there you have it, within those areas above looks like the best chance to contest that the Cowboys are breaking a rule that deserves a penalty. If I’m the head coach of their opponent you can count on me to clearly and concisely remind the referee of these rules before the game and petition him to follow the wording of these rules as he sees fit in order to correctly follow the letter of the law. How the referee interprets these sections is ultimately his decision but you can bet that I’m going to be constantly contesting that I have a case to make sure that he can find the right interpretation in order to throw a flag.

  42. ras6111 says: Sep 7, 2009 11:21 PM

    The Death Star is a better name than Tony Romo’s House of Choke.

  43. Debacled says: Sep 7, 2009 11:24 PM

    Mr. Florio, you mentioned the Dallas Cowboys and Jerry Jones’ handedness- yet no mention of Charles Haley’s alleged dexterous activities in team meetings?

  44. Zaggs says: Sep 8, 2009 12:06 AM

    “we can’t say we would feel any differently if we were the ones who had plunked down the $1.2 billion.”
    Except Jerry Jones didn’t pay 1.2 billion. At most he paid 120 million. See Dallas (as in city of) fronted 933 million with another 150 mil coming from the NFL. So in reality the league paid more for the stadium then Jerry did. So after this year Goodell should just start fining Dallas or deducting draft picks until he moves it.

  45. VoxVeritas says: Sep 8, 2009 12:43 AM

    OMG.
    “Possession or use of foreign or extraneous object that are not part of the uniform”
    “So, if you say that simply having the board there is against sportsmanship in general”
    “I then contest that the Dallas team is stopping the ball from being put into play through the inaction of raising the scoreboard.”
    “If I’m the head coach of their opponent you can count on me to clearly and concisely remind the referee of these rules before the game and petition him to follow the wording of these rules as he sees fit in order to correctly follow the letter of the law.”
    Seriously, you’re an idiot. I’m sorry, but somebody had to say it and that somebody is me.

  46. JJsBigTv says: Sep 8, 2009 2:56 AM

    TSE says:
    Clearly no one is going to turn you away from your opinion that the low scoreboard is an in game violation, but this is just wrong:
    Rule 4 Article 9….
    The ball must be put in play promptly and ANY action or inaction by either team that tends to prevent this is a delay of game.
    That is the exact rule. So if I’m playing against the Cowboys and I kick the scoreboard, I then contest that the Dallas team is stopping the ball from being put into play through the inaction of raising the scoreboard.
    So you are going to:
    1) put the ball in play by snapping it to your punter
    (rule 7 section 3)
    2) kick the ball into the scoreboard
    3) claim that the Dallas team is stopping the ball (which has already been put into play by being snapped) from being put into play

  47. Florios-Lawyer says: Sep 8, 2009 8:15 AM

    Wow VoxVeritas, you only posted 10 times to this thread. Are you giving up your job as Chief Dallas Cowboys/Jerry Jones Apologist? Or are you just busy fixin’ the busted refrigerator on your front porch?

  48. homercles82 says: Sep 8, 2009 8:52 AM

    JJ says “I’m maximizing the stadium experience for fans” but isn’t hanging the worlds largest widescreen that shows the game above the actual game detracting from the onfield action which is why I go to games. I also feel like most people go to actually watch the game on field.
    I did not pay attention but does anyone know if during actual gameplay do they just show the team logo or is it a HUGE scoreboard?
    I know the Redskins make theirs a scoreboard but that thing is so pitiful I never pay attention to it.

  49. hayward giablommi says: Sep 8, 2009 9:18 AM

    “Cheapest seats in Gillette are $65. But you can get standing room tickets for $49. Cowboys Stadium has cheaper seat and standing room prices AND you have the added benefit of not having to smell the stench of years of organized cheating OR being surrounded by overweight, unibrowed Massholes. ***”
    ^^^^^^^
    Funny, Vox, I don’t recall any stench you describe ever wafting my way at Gillette, but I when I am there in three weeks I will double check, just to make sure, and get back to ya. Don’t recall ever seeing a unibrow or many overweight women, so I guess that makes you 0 for 3.
    I guess you would voluntarily affix ** to the Super Bowls JJ won in ’92 and ’93, yes?

  50. Big ben Rapistburger says: Sep 8, 2009 9:32 AM

    First, Vox, you are pathetic. Just because you google something on the net, doesnt mean that the facts are true. I can google stories about aliens right now, but it doesnt mean they are true. How gay do you have to be to dispute every single post that doesnt say something like:
    “I love Romo”
    “I suck dick”
    or “the Cowboys are the best”
    I am just amazed that every story about the Cowboys is followed by 75 comments, and 45 of those are from Vox. You dont know everything dude, let it go.
    Second, TSE, Vox is right, you are an IDIOT. I can believe you said this:
    “Rule 12 Section 3, Article 1, item F…
    Possession or use of foreign or extraneous object that are not part of the uniform ….”
    Seriously, are you THAT dumb. That rule means, that a player cant carry a baseball bat, or knife, or gun, or hockey stick, etc., to use against the other player. To give an example, as you like to do, a defensive back, can not carry a hockey stick, and then use said hockey stick, to reach up and knock the ball down before the receiver can catch it. I realize it is stupid to even have to say that, but, based on your interpretation of the rules, it had to be said……..

  51. indymag says: Sep 8, 2009 9:45 AM

    That’s fine. Don’t move it. Just make it so that it’s ineligible for hosting Super Bowls until it is moved. Then the cathedral won’t look so holy.

  52. VoxVeritas says: Sep 8, 2009 10:06 AM

    “Wow VoxVeritas, you only posted 10 times to this thread.”
    Wow, you’re counting my posts. How badly must your life suck?

  53. VoxVeritas says: Sep 8, 2009 10:08 AM

    “Funny, Vox, I don’t recall any stench you describe ever wafting my way at Gillette”
    Catfish don’t think that they stink, either.

  54. VoxVeritas says: Sep 8, 2009 10:14 AM

    “Except Jerry Jones didn’t pay 1.2 billion. At most he paid 120 million. See Dallas (as in city of) fronted 933 million with another 150 mil coming from the NFL.”
    Seriously, where do you morons come up with this crap? The stadium’s not even IN Dallas! The $933 million figure you’re citing includes like 25 years of interest and insurance on the original ~$300 million bonds.

  55. Jackson says: Sep 8, 2009 10:14 AM

    Big ben Rapistburger………..agreed 100%. I’m a cowboys fan and Vox is over the top and TSE needs to do something more constructive with his time.

  56. jimicos says: Sep 8, 2009 10:30 AM

    noname says:
    September 7, 2009 11:13 PM
    Has anyone thought what happens when a QB hits the scoreboard with a pass? It wouldn’t happen accidentally but say there’s nobody, why not hit the scorebaord and get a do over?
    ——————————
    Never going to happen. Which QB is going to spot a play so cocked up from the start that he wants a do over, and then be able to set up and launch that 90 ft pass before getting his lunch money stolen?
    Much as I’d like to see it happen, nothing’s going to change Jerry’s dumb mind until it costs his team a win. Maybe the punter launches a booming kick that grazes the screen, gets called back and costs the Cowboys precious field position. Maybe the officials incorrectly rule that a huge kick grazed the screen and it gets called back. Some way it has to cost him. Otherwise he’s not changing it.
    But if one of those examples does happen, I’d love to see the shade of red his face turns. I think his head would turn into a donkey’s head like in the old cartoons. That’d be an improvement.

  57. TSE says: Sep 8, 2009 10:48 AM

    Big Ben Rapistberger
    One, I’m not dumb. Two, I’m actually a certified genius. Three, you are not very smart.
    The reasons are because I DID NOT SAY I AGREE with that particular interpretation. All I’m doing is FISHING for ways to find LOOSE interpretations that could POSSIBLY apply for purposes of being a coach to try and challenge a referee during the game. I’m not going to petition the NFL in advance and wait for them to make a comprehensive ruling with regard to that rule and determine that they don’t agree with that loose interpretation, I want the REFEREE to make that call, cause the rulebook states that the REFEREE has final say. It doesn’t matter if it’s right or not, what matters is if I can sell ANY INTERPRETATION to the REFERRE, NOT TO YOU!
    So all I did was FISH for something that somebody else can CHOOSE to use if they want to. They can pick anything from those ideas I mentioned, all I was doing was trying to find the BEST cases in the rulebook that could possibly be used.
    And I know what extraneous means and what it GENERALLY applies to. I know obviously that the rulemakers did not write that rule thinking they were covering a scoreboard, but if it in a legal sense does fit with a scoreboard, then it DOES NOT MATTER what the rulemakers INTENDED, it only matters what they actually wrote!
    Jackson –
    How is this not constructive with my time? If I’m a Cowboys opponent and I can invent a way to automatically get a HUGE advantage in a game by intentionally punting the ball into the scoreboard 100 times for free yardage after closing the REFEREE on this perspective, then I have done my job and won the game. Now I am not an actual head coach in the NFL, but I do this stuff because I’m a fan, so I like to pretend that I am, you know for entertainment purposes because football is a hobby. So what you are saying is that a person should NOT spend time on a hobby in general? You believe that every person in the entire world should NEVER spend 1 second on a hobby? Is that what you are saying?
    JJsBigTV –
    YES. But not after the fact am I going to complain. I’m saying I’m going to approach the referee, say on the sideline and basically work him and converse with him on the points I brought up to tell him what I’m going to do and that he needs to do his job and enforce the rules. If I can get him to agree, whether he’s right or not, then I have accomplished my goal. I know that snapping the ball starts a play, but it can also be interpreted that repeatedly blocking a ball with stadium equipment to create an infinite loop of dead balls is also stopping the ball from being put into play, not from the moment the ball is on the ground and snapped into play, but the moment that the ball is traveling up and toward the scoreboard, as every second the ball is traveling IN PLAY it is ALSO traveling INTO further play, thus stopping it with a deal ball is stopping it from going FURTHER in play, and the stopping of “IN PLAY” is the key.
    There is also another rule that says a team can’t take an unlimited delay of games, which means intentional delaying of the game. This is in a sense a way to call foul on the Cowboys for intentionally creating dead ball situations by having their board in the middle of the surrounding playing surface.

  58. VoxVeritas says: Sep 8, 2009 11:31 AM

    “I know that snapping the ball starts a play, but it can also be interpreted that repeatedly blocking a ball with stadium equipment to create an infinite loop of dead balls is also stopping the ball from being put into play”
    Actually intentionally punting the ball into the screens 100 times is closer to your intentional delay of game scenario.
    “This is in a sense a way to call foul on the Cowboys for intentionally creating dead ball situations by having their board in the middle of the surrounding playing surface.”
    Um, the boards are not in the middle of the playing surface. Fact is the boards are higher than the NFL calls for, and this “construction rule” or whatever you called it is as much a part of the game rules as the prescribed playing field dimensions are.
    You’re going really far to find something that doesn’t exist. Like I told you yesterday. The rule is very simple. Whether a ball hits it once or a hundred times: Do it again. If punters or whomever take to trying to hit it during game situations, I expect further rules to be drafted to deal with that. Rules that penalize the punter for needlessly delaying the game. There’s already a rule in place for passers that attempt passes that have no realistic expectation of completion. It’s called intentional grounding.

  59. Florios-Lawyer says: Sep 8, 2009 11:39 AM

    “…TSE says: September 8, 2009 10:48 AM
    One, I’m not dumb. Two, I’m actually a certified genius…
    I can agree with the “certified” part…

  60. Doohickey says: Sep 8, 2009 12:00 PM

    Do you people ever get tired of getting your panties twisted up in knots over this stupid non-issue (that includes you, Florio)? This is the stupidest non-story of the year.
    The only problem here is the do-over rule. Balls bouncing off the scoreboard should be in play. Most baseball parks have ground rules – even rules for indoor parks that dictate how balls are to be played off of structural members.

  61. TSE says: Sep 8, 2009 12:02 PM

    Vox
    Your assertion that the punter is at fault is wrong, because they are allowed to play with the ball any way they want, it’s the fixture that is getting in the way. Kind of like if a BB player is standing out of bounds you could just at any time smack him in the face with the ball and while it would hurt, it would not be a foul, it would be a loss of possession for him having failed his responsibility to stay in play. You take advantage of his dumb position.
    Also, i said middle of “surrounding” surface, and the space above the turf I believe the NFL considers to be part of the surface, or perhaps the playing area would be a better term. So can JJ put a scoreboard on the field at the 50 yard line? It’s not hanging, so it’s not breaking the 85 foot hanging rule right? See the problem?
    And so what if the NFL does write a rule like that for intentional scoreboard punting? Until they do, I will use it against the Cowboys.

  62. TSE says: Sep 8, 2009 12:10 PM

    Here’s another one for you Vox, since you seem to think a simple disagreement means a person is an idiot.
    How come during some instant replays when the issue is on a very specific exact thing like if the ball hit the ground, that we can see times where the commentators call it wrong and the referee calls it something else? Haven’t you ever seen a play where the commentators are in disagreement if that ball is touching the ground, or coming loose or what not, and they can’t tell even with slow motion replay for sure what is happening, and you in the audience also have a different opinion, and then the referee sees something else? How can that be? We are all looking at the same thing on a very specific thing, but INTERPRETATIONS are what counts, and not everybody comes to the same conclusion when looking at a given fact, whether visual or a matter of the English language. That’s why we have lawyers and judges and juries and not robots to handle the legal system.

  63. unlost says: Sep 8, 2009 12:45 PM

    this almost proves that T.O. is normal

  64. Stlgreg says: Sep 8, 2009 1:12 PM

    hello morons.. I dont know where you are getting your figured from.. this is the breakdown of who paid for what
    Public portion: $350 million
    Arlington $325 million
    Tarrant County $25 million
    Jerry Jones’ portion: $750 million
    Admission tax/parking fee $114 million
    Founders all-access seats $75 million
    Private auction-rate bonds $126 million
    Remaining personal seat licenses* $359 million
    NFL construction loan $76 million

  65. JJsBigTv says: Sep 8, 2009 4:24 PM

    I know that snapping the ball starts a play, but it can also be interpreted that repeatedly blocking a ball with stadium equipment to create an infinite loop of dead balls is also stopping the ball from being put into play,
    **No, it can’t be. Once the ball is snapped, by definition, it has been put into play. whatever happens after the ball is snapped does not change the fact that the snap has put the ball into play.
    not from the moment the ball is on the ground and snapped into play, but the moment that the ball is traveling up and toward the scoreboard, as every second the ball is traveling IN PLAY it is ALSO traveling INTO further play, thus stopping it with a deal ball is stopping it from going FURTHER in play,
    **There is no such thing as further into play. a ball is either dead or in play. it’s a binary condition. before the snap the ball is dead and if it isn’t snapped in a timely fashion (for any of the reasons in the rule book) a delay of game penalty can result. the instant the ball is snapped it is in play. anything that happens after that can no longer cause a delay of game penalty.
    and the stopping of “IN PLAY” is the key.
    ** No, it isn’t. Stopping a ball that’s IN PLAY has nothing to do with delay of game. Delay of game is caused when a dead ball is not put into play in a timely manner.

  66. TSE says: Sep 8, 2009 5:47 PM

    I agree with a lot of your points to some extent.
    But it doesn’t matter what you or I think, it matters what an unprepared referee thinks when he’s confronted with the issue at the time.
    Say for example the NFL already said that hitting the scoreboard is a dead ball. Well they didn’t really give a comprehensive ruling and detailed ruling. So if it’s a dead ball do-over and I hit it again, and then again, then that activates say excessive delay of game, and the home team is at fault for the obstacle. Again this ties into working the semantics and interpretation, and thus gives the referee an angle to make a ruling in favor of the punting team.
    It’s all about packaging and presenting the argument as best as you can and it opens the door of possibilities to be a huge snafu problem for the Cowboys.

  67. TSE says: Sep 8, 2009 5:50 PM

    Oh, also I consider it a PALPABLY unfair act that MY punter has to use up so much stamina to keep wasting his time on dead ball do-overs that are caused by a stupid fixture that shouldn’t be there!
    Don’t blame me, it’s a game and I’m ALLOWED to punt the ball any way I want in any direction. There’s no rule against that, but there IS a rule against a PALPABLY unfair act, such as putting an obstacle in the middle of the playing area that I want to utilize. I have a right to play with that space and I’m exercising that right.
    Thus, all of these do-overs are PALPABLY UNFAIR, throw the damn flag Ref!!

  68. TSE says: Sep 8, 2009 5:50 PM

    And now that he threw the flag once, now I have the slippery slope effect of forcing his hand to throw it an infinite number of times in this game! :)

  69. pubicreign says: Sep 8, 2009 10:14 PM

    Vox, you are going to need alot of time to windle up excuses to post in deffense of your pathetic team. Maybe they should have invested some time, money, effort, into real raw talent. While your O-line ages, the coach still sucks, you continue to brag on your bargain pick ups (Romo), your sad recieving corps, and spotty (polite term) D. You are spending way to much time of your life researching pointless statistics, city records, etc. Your team and everything evil it stands for blows harder than romo blows wittens junk.

  70. bustahead says: Sep 10, 2009 3:47 PM

    TSE: Hey Bro, take a pill…I’m afraid your blood pressure is going sky high and Jerry is STILL not going to have to move the damn board!!!
    The fact is, this is a situation that just isn’t covered! Period! Besides, the ONLY way that screen is going to be hit is on purpose!! If a punter wants to gas his team on do overs then so be it. It will only hurt his team.

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