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Did Saints tamper with Chase Daniel?

On Saturday, the 32 NFL franchises dumped as many as 22 players per team onto the market.

Any of the players having fewer than four years in the NFL were required to pass through waivers.  By rule, teams can’t contact the players and negotiate contracts or practice-squad assignments before the waiver period ends.

In the case of quarterback Chase Daniel, it appears that the Saints had premature communication with the player, before the league office informed the 32 teams that none of them had claimed the contract that the former Missouri quarterback had signed with the Redskins.

Per a league source, the notice regarding waiver claims arrived from Park Avenue at 4:45 p.m. ET on Sunday.  “That is the first time any team could have known that Chase Daniel actually cleared waivers and was a free agent,” the source said.

But Jason La Canfora of NFL Network reported on his Twitter page nearly 30 minutes earlier (and, indeed, the time code doesn’t lie) that Daniel would sign with the Saints.

Hey, the Redskins are the last team for which anyone should shed tears, given the likelihood that the Redskins were negotiating a $100 million contract with defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth in advance of the official launch of free agency.  But at least they waited until Haynesworth became a free agent to sign him.

In this case, La Canfora’s report proves that the Saints were talking to Daniel prematurely.

It’s arguably a no harm, no foul situation, since the Saints could have made a run at Daniel after he cleared waivers.  Still, it’s a prime example of the fact that rules get broken all the time, and that only in the most obvious situations does the team that committed the infraction suffer a consequence.

This very well might be one of those obvious situations.

“That is some quick recruiting,” the source said.  “Good thing the 49ers didn’t do it.”
 

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25 Responses to “Did Saints tamper with Chase Daniel?”
  1. jj730 says: Sep 8, 2009 8:57 AM

    What’s the big deal? This website reported on Saturday that Daniel’s wouldn’t be with the Redskins(http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/05/redskins-wont-keep-chase-daniel/). Who’s to say his agent didn’t send out “feelers” to see who might want him?

  2. stanjam says: Sep 8, 2009 9:02 AM

    Oh God! Take a first round pick! Fine the coach a half million!
    Oh wait, not the Patriots? No outrage then.

  3. Mavrick608 says: Sep 8, 2009 9:10 AM

    It is possible that Jason La Canfora reported something based on a best guess. Modern reporters don’t actually do much investigating they just throw a bunch of stuff at the wall and hope it sticks. Since the Saints made a heavy run at Daniels after the draft I think Jason may have been using his head on who was the most likely target.

  4. onlymyopinionmatters says: Sep 8, 2009 9:18 AM

    Just cause La Canfora twitted an opinion or prediction hardly constitutes PROOF that the Saints tampered. Come on, that is a big reach.

  5. TimTheEnchanter says: Sep 8, 2009 9:30 AM

    I can’t believe you passed up the opportunity for a title like “Did Saints chase Daniel prematurely?”
    You’re slipping, Florio.

  6. Aaron says: Sep 8, 2009 9:42 AM

    “Oh God! Take a first round pick! Fine the coach a half million!
    Oh wait, not the Patriots? No outrage then.”
    … Right, because allegedly speaking early to a 4th string QB who wasn’t good enough to make a team whose starter is Jason Cambell is equivelant to having a spy watch the final walk-through before a Superbowl in the same year you’ve been taping opposing offenses signals.
    Why didn’t you extend the analogy and say you’d completely forgive the Saints if they just claimed they didn’t know you couldn’t do it?

  7. mustbechris says: Sep 8, 2009 9:42 AM

    NEW ORLANZ CHEETRZ OMG OMG FIR DA COCH BAN HIM FROM DA LEEG TAK AL DER DRAFT PIKS CHEETRS*************************
    Oh wait, it’s not the Patriots. I forgot about the double standard.

  8. nps6724 says: Sep 8, 2009 9:45 AM

    “Oh God! Take a first round pick! Fine the coach a half million!
    Oh wait, not the Patriots? No outrage then.”
    Yes, because videotaping opposing team’s signals with the goal of cheating to win actual games is the exact same as tampering with a rookie free agent after he’s been released and is signed to the practice squad.
    I guess for you murder and speeding are the same since both are against the law.
    Daniel had an offer from the Saints before he signed with Washington (he knew he had a better shot of beating out Todd Collins and Colt Brennan than Mark Brunell). With Joey Harrington released, I’m sure Daniel knew the saints had an opening on their PS.

  9. Child_Please! says: Sep 8, 2009 9:52 AM

    stanjam says:
    September 8, 2009 9:02 AM
    Oh God! Take a first round pick! Fine the coach a half million!
    Oh wait, not the Patriots? No outrage then.
    Saints have not been caught cheating, like the Patriots have.
    Unless your a Pats fan, then they only didnt interpet the rules correctly(which Goodell didnt believe)

  10. steeler-hater says: Sep 8, 2009 9:56 AM

    @stanjam:
    I don’t think the Saints used any illegal video taping to get an advantage like the Patsys did. Their cheating was much different than the Patsys was. The Patsys cheated all the time by illegally taping their opponents the way they did. The Saints situation is only this one time involving just 1 player. The Patsys’ cheating was on going & went on for quite a while according to what I’ve heard.
    Heck, the player the Saints allegedly tampered with isn’t even a star player so, although tampering is indeed wrong, it ain’t like they are getting a player like a Albert Haynesworth like the Redskins did when they allegedly tampered.
    The scale & scope of the Patsys cheating has been rumored by many to have effected playoffs & Super Bowls. Just ask the Rams about that one.
    IMO, New England got off pretty lightly when they were fined & punished. Their championships are all tainted due to obvious cheating. Unfortunately, this isn’t like college football so the NFL won’t take those titles away like they should…

  11. descendency says: Sep 8, 2009 10:00 AM

    Tampering? You mean that rule no one enforces?

  12. txkjun says: Sep 8, 2009 10:01 AM

    So now twitter is the sight to go to get signong info on the NFL???? Please! Twitter is a joke and the biggest waste of time on the net!!!!!

  13. MoPackerFan says: Sep 8, 2009 10:30 AM

    @txkjun
    A good deal of players, agents, media types, and even some NFL Teams twitter. Besides, what does it matter what media the info comes from? The stuff posted on twitter is no more or less accurate then what is broadcast on talk radio and Sports Center.
    P.S.
    I love all the Patriot fans trying to compare a case of tampering with a rookie free agent to that of cheating during an actual game….

  14. Zaggs says: Sep 8, 2009 10:31 AM

    Wait, why is it tampering if you talk to a player on WAIVERS (as this is all that could be proven)? Because unless I miss something a player is no longer really an employee of the club that waives him. Can a team remove a player from waivers? I don’t think they can. Hence you’re losing the player for the most part and hence I can’t see how that is tampering.

  15. Child_Please! says: Sep 8, 2009 10:47 AM

    Watch it everybody.
    Dont criticize Patriots fans and tell them that the Super Bowl wins are tainted. They will complain to Florio to get you blocked from posting anymore. Florio is turning this site into a Patriots message board.

  16. steeler-hater says: Sep 8, 2009 10:50 AM

    @MoPackerFan:
    You think that’s a good one about the Patsy fans? I’m on another forum where the Patsy fans complained last season about San Diego making the playoffs as a divisional winner because they had an 8-8 record while the Patsys stayed home with an 11-5 record. Then this past April, the same Patsy fans on this other forum whined about the fact that San Diego got a better draft choice than the Patsys did. They felt that since the Chargers went to the playoffs instead of New England, New England should pick ahead of San Diego, even though the Patsys had more wins!
    Talk about wanting to have your cake and eat it, too!
    Who doesn’t love hearing of this kind of irrational homer thinking?
    lol!

  17. sonnyandsam says: Sep 8, 2009 11:04 AM

    Florio,
    You jumped to the conclusion that JLC was telling the truth. Based on his time with the Washington Post, Skins fans can vouch that his “sources” are hardly ever very credible.

  18. hayward giablommi says: Sep 8, 2009 11:08 AM

    @ Child_Please!
    @ steeler-hater
    @ MoPackerFan
    Fellas, as lame as you apparently think Pats fans are for defending their team, we laugh at how lame and desperate you all are for refusing to let go of a story that is closing in on being TWO YEARS OLD.

  19. steeler-hater says: Sep 8, 2009 12:08 PM

    @ hayward giablommi:
    The point I made was mainly about the Patsys fans take on last season’s playoffs and this last NFL Draft from earlier this year… in January & April.
    As far as the Patsys past cheating and their punishment goes, I find it hard to believe that Belicheat is playing totally by the rules now.
    I’m sure he has come up with some other way to get around the rules. The video tape scandal was just the latest in a line of shady practices. Just ask the Colts WRs about how Belichimp encouraged his DBs to literally mug them because the game officials were reluctant to call penalties in that one playoff game those 2 teams played. Or how he instructed his OL to hold during that one Super Bowl for the same reason… the refs didn’t want to have penalties effecting the outcome of the game so they let the Patsys OL hold a lot.
    The difference between those things and the video taping scandal is that the NFL finally caught him red handed so they had to punish them or else the press would have roasted the league office over it.
    Anyways, I can’t wait to see what new kind of underhanded tricks the Patsys get nailed for doing next…
    lol!

  20. DanSnyder says: Sep 8, 2009 1:20 PM

    @steeler-hater
    “You think that’s a good one about the Patsy fans? I’m on another forum where the Patsy fans complained last season about San Diego making the playoffs as a divisional winner because they had an 8-8 record while the Patsys stayed home with an 11-5 record. Then this past April, the same Patsy fans on this other forum whined about the fact that San Diego got a better draft choice than the Patsys did. They felt that since the Chargers went to the playoffs instead of New England, New England should pick ahead of San Diego, even though the Patsys had more wins!
    Talk about wanting to have your cake and eat it, too! ”
    Actually that makes perfect sense, Non playoff teams should have dibs over playoff teams for draft picks.

  21. hayward giablommi says: Sep 8, 2009 1:23 PM

    @ steeler-hater
    “The point I made was mainly about the Patsys fans take on last season’s playoffs and this last NFL Draft from earlier this year… in January & April. ”
    ^^^^^^^
    I haven’t said word one about this, but if you think it’s better for the league to have an 8-8 team in the playoffs over an 11-5 team, then suit yourself.
    —————-
    “Just ask the Colts WRs about how Belichimp encouraged his DBs to literally mug them”
    ^^^^^^
    Really? Were the Colts WR’s in the Patriots locker room eavesdropping on the Pats pregame strategy session? Funny you bring this up to skewer New England…because if you recall, Bill Polian then made sure the league changed the rules immediately thereafter for the 2004 season, a far more egregious and transparent act of bending the rules. And just for the record, New England beat Indy in the playoffs next year, 5 yard contact point of emphasis and all, in even more dominating fashion than they did in 2003.
    ———-
    “the refs didn’t want to have penalties effecting the outcome of the game so they let the Patsys OL hold a lot.”
    ^^^^^^^
    A blantantly ridiculous assertion. See Super Bowl XL.

  22. Big ben Rapistburger says: Sep 8, 2009 2:18 PM

    I love how some of you people pretend that video taping signals is the end all be all of “cheating”.
    It isnt that big of an advantage, seriously, get over it. It wasnt illegal to tape signals, Roger Goodell said that. I will repeat, it wasnt illegal to tape signals. It is illegal to tape signals from an unapproved location. Meaning, a person isnt allowed to tape from the sidelines.
    I am not saying that the Pats arent guilty of breaking the rules, but seriously, think about it. It is too easy for you all to act like this is a huge advantage, rather than admit that it probably wasnt.
    Here is why it wasnt a big deal:
    There are 3 people giving signals on the side lines, and in some cases 4. 1 of them, presumably is giving the right signals, and the rest arent. Lets say you know what the signals mean, you still dont know which of the 3 is correct. Plus, there is a 25 second play clock, and a 40 second play clock. We will use the 40 second clock for the argument, because that gives the Pats even more time to “cheat”.
    The play clock starts, and the other team is signaling the defense. There is 5 seconds gone. So we are down to 35 seconds. The guy who filmed the signals, now has to run 4o yards to show the coaching staff the video (we know that this didnt happen, but since we are in fantasy land, and this is the only way that it could be an advantage, we’ll go with that), that takes another 10 seconds, we are down to 25 seconds. Now the team watches the 5 seconds of signals, then watches them again, then watches them again. Now we are down to 10 seconds. The coaches now know the defense (LMFAO, yeah right), so they then send the appropriate play in to Brady, now we are down to 6 seconds on the clock (Also, if the Pats knew the defense, how come they werent getting TD’s on every 2 or 3 plays? If I was the coach, and my team wasnt scoring 80 points a game, when we knew what the defense was running, I would be pissed. 80 points for the offense, when knowing the other teams defensive plays is probably equivilant to a shut out, when a defense knows the other teams offensive plays…). Brady gives the team the play, and they break the huddle, and get to the line of scrimmage. Now the play clock has run out………….
    The only benefit to taping signals is for preparation for the next game against that team, it helps you in no way during the game. And according to Goodell, that is why NE was penalized, by gaining an advantage during the game. Which is BS.
    But on top of that, I have read about how NE was violating this rule for a long period of time. The rule hasnt been around for a long period of time, so how can a team violate a rule, for a long time, if the rule didnt exist.
    If someone can break down for the rest of us, how the Pats gained such a dramatic advantage, from taping signals, please explain it.
    Simply saying things like: The commish thought it was an advantage, so it must have been, doesnt work.
    Without “the help of tapes”, Tom Brady managed to throw 50 TD passes, so I dont think the tapes were helping him………….
    It is so easy to pretend that the Pats really werent that good after all, Belichick really isnt that smart after all, Brady really isnt that good after all, my team really was better than them after all, save for taping signals…… Get over it. Taping signals did not tangibly add any wins for the Pats.
    Everyone forgets that the Dolphins smoked New England 21-0 a few years ago in their second meeting of the season. Watching Miami absolutely punish New England was impressive to watch. It was as if the Miami defense was telling New England’s offense what plays to run. Miami was in the spot before the offense was…….
    Why did Miami dismantle NE so thoroughly…..? Because in the first game of the season against each other, Miami put microphones in the shoulder pads of all of their defensive lineman. They recorded every single one of Tom Brady’s audibles at the line of scrimmage (this was admitted by several members of the Dolphins, including Zach Thomas). They analyzed the audibles, and when they met the 2nd time, they knew the plays when Brady called them. No one considers that cheating.
    Miami had a 100% guarantee that they would be able to decipher Brady’s play calls, and no one thinks that is cheating, but when NE tapes signals, allowing them to have a 20% chance of guessing the play, not a 100% chance of knowing the play, a 20% chance of guessing the play, all of a sudden NE is so terrible………..
    That is just one example of the free pass that other teams get…..

  23. Route36West says: Sep 8, 2009 2:29 PM

    I got a question though about this. Did the waiver period end at 4:45 or was just the notice of who didnt get claimed sent out at 4:45. I say this because if the period end for example at 2:00 the Saints could have called Daniels at 2:01 and asked him if he got claimed and if not started negoiations then. Which would have gave them enough time to make the deal a half and hour before the 4:45 announcement.

  24. steeler-hater says: Sep 8, 2009 5:15 PM

    @ Big Ben…:
    If there was no advantage to the Patsys taping the other teams’ signals, why did they do it?
    The Patsy fans argument that there was no advantage in doing this doesn’t hold water. Why would a team & coaching staff waste time & money doing this when there’s no advantage to doing it?
    Especially when they knew they’d get punished for taping the opponents like that if they were caught.
    Face it, there WAS an advantage to be had and the Patsys got caught and were punished for it. Quit making it sound like they were innocent victims in all this. They are cheaters…

  25. Big ben Rapistburger says: Sep 9, 2009 8:36 AM

    steeler-hater says: September 8, 2009 5:15 PM
    @ Big Ben…:
    If there was no advantage to the Patsys taping the other teams’ signals, why did they do it?
    The Patsy fans argument that there was no advantage in doing this doesn’t hold water. Why would a team & coaching staff waste time & money doing this when there’s no advantage to doing it?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Reading is a struggle for you, isnt it? I never said there was no advantage, I said, if there was an advantage, it would be in their next meeting. It isnt going to help during that game, it can only help you prepare for the next time… Jesus Christ, its like talking to a God damn wall with you people….

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