Comments on: Vikings win, Saints lose StarCaps appeal

By: RagnartheViking

RagnartheViking — Sat, 12 Sep 2009 17:27:38 +0000

Jimi:
You can’t use logic with a Packer fan.
You also can’t “argue/ debate” with a Packer fan as you yourself have oriven time and again. if a Packer fan is losing aan arguement, thier tact is not to admit defeat, it is to change the arguement slightly.
I guess my comment hit a little close to home.
I’m sorry.
I really shouldn’t try to have a battle of wits with someone is obviously unarmed.

By: duffsbeer

duffsbeer — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:13:52 +0000

I have negotiated multi-state labour contracts and the first thing we do is review the state law for each state involved. Minnesota is not the only state that has this law, a lot of states actually do. So for Goodell to state that this is unfair to the other teams is not correct, the 49ers, the Chargers, the Raiders, the Texans, the Cowboys, and the Bears are all protected by almost identical laws to the one in question in Minnesota. There could be more teams that are protected but I have only dealt with Texas, Kansas, Colorado, California, Illinois, Nebraska, Oklahoma, North Dakota and South Dakota state laws. Merriman should have fought his suspension and any Bear should have fought as California and Illinois have the most worker friendly laws in the US.

By: jimicos

jimicos — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:59:44 +0000

RagnartheViking says:
September 11, 2009 4:08 PM
Excuse Jimicos, CIP.
He has about as much IQ as the keyboard you are typing on.
In other words, your average Packer fan.
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Once again, unable to bring any valid points to the table or successfully argue against logic, reason and facts FagRagtheViking resorts to idiocy. It was as original as it was unexpected. As usual.

By: RagnartheViking

RagnartheViking — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:08:43 +0000

Excuse Jimicos, CIP.
He has about as much IQ as the keyboard you are typing on.
In other words, your average Packer fan.

By: jimicos

jimicos — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:07:24 +0000

Skeety says:
September 11, 2009 3:25 PM
its simple: the vikings are the only ones that fought the ruling, the saints did not.. just like OJ got lawyers and fought, the vikings did the same and got away with it too. the saints were stupid or just didn’t care i guess.
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No, the Vikings are the only ones who play in Minnesota. Minnesota is the difference. The Saints DID fight the ruling, but they did not have the benefit of Minnesota labor laws. Go figure.

By: jimicos

jimicos — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:05:39 +0000

CutlerISaPussy says:
September 11, 2009 3:37 PM
Apparently Jimicos is not getting it- the NFL TRIED to suspend them. The law said no. How does this equate to the NFL protecting the Vikings. They WANT to suspend them.
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Apparently CutlerISaPussy is not getting it. I didn’t say the NFL is protecting the Vikings. I said the NFL is not required to inform the players of products containing banned substances.

By: CutlerISaPussy

CutlerISaPussy — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:37:12 +0000

Apparently Jimicos is not getting it- the NFL TRIED to suspend them. The law said no. How does this equate to the NFL protecting the Vikings. They WANT to suspend them.

By: CutlerISaPussy

CutlerISaPussy — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:34:16 +0000

Apparently Jimicos is not getting it- the NFL TRIED to suspend them. The law said no. How does this equate to the NFL protecting the Vikings. They WANT to suspend them.

By: Skeety

Skeety — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:25:40 +0000

its simple: the vikings are the only ones that fought the ruling, the saints did not.. just like OJ got lawyers and fought, the vikings did the same and got away with it too. the saints were stupid or just didn’t care i guess.

By: jimicos

jimicos — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:47:09 +0000

Nevisyakker says:
September 11, 2009 12:35 PM
For those with short memories…An NFL employee whose job it is to inform and watch over the banned substance issue knew that the diuretic in question secretely contained the banned substance but CHOSE NOT TO INFORM NFL PLAYERS.
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For those with short memories… The NFL IS NOT REQUIRED TO INFORM NFL PLAYERS of any product containing banned substances.
The league office did not in any way violate the CBA by not communicating the spiking of Star Caps with Bumetanide. The only parties guilty of breaking any rules are the player in question.
That fact is not disputed.

By: stanjam

stanjam — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:45:57 +0000

Welcome to the modern Goodell NFL area those of you JUST waking up. This is the Goodell “We punish who we want, when we want, and how much we want” NFL. Arbitrary punishments and decisions, and a blind eye to others. SUCKS and is ruining this game, not helping it!

By: thecrazytomato

thecrazytomato — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:40:48 +0000

Wow you guys are funny. Most of you it seems dont’t know anything about about our legal system.
Let me give you a crash course here.
There are Federal Laws. In which our House of Rep. and Senate create and pass. In which the president either signs or Veto’s. These laws are trump.
There are State laws. Like Federal laws they are created as per above and signed by the Gov and/or voted on by the people. Only Federal Law trumps these.
Then there are city/local laws.
Then there are judges.
Judges don’t make laws. Judges interprete the law.
The issue here in fact is a State Law. The State of Min. decided that do to one reason or another, the Williams’ were not at fault, thus the suspension by the NFL was innapropriate.
Louisianna State Law says they are in fact responsible. So the two DE’s are held accountable and will serve there punishment.
This is not the fault of the NFL, “in legal terms, but in a code of morals it is” nor is it the fault of the Justice system. This is the kind of things that will happen when you have a “League” of teams with so many states involved, I am surprised none of this has happen before.
You cant expect the States to change laws because of the NFL “Even though they are giving it a run in Delaware” These laws are design to help out the Average Joe, but I expect that most of the people that sound like they don’t know what they are talking about are Packer fans that are just angry, cause there most hated team just secured their defensive Anchors.

By: CutlerISaPussy

CutlerISaPussy — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:30:58 +0000

Hey Darth Vincent- First, you are a giant douchebag, second, this was decided on by FEDERAL judges. Like I said, clean the Sh!t out of your ears and listen up. Or actually read the articles- notice they keep saying US Court of Appeals and stuff like ‘federal appeals court’, ‘panel of judges’, etc. Vikings cheat b/c state laws are upheld by federal courts. Yeah.

By: Kidekk

Kidekk — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:28:40 +0000

And that pile of garbage you just typed is what’s wrong with this country. No accountability and self entitlement – we are heading down the road of the Romans, folks.
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Yeah, you’re right. No one looks out for #1. Miranda Rights even tell you that if you can’t afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you. Who wants to go to prison? A lot of people on this site like to make themselves out to be holier-than-thou, but if you’re in a situation where you need to defend yourself and get out from under it, you do it. If you’re child were to be arrested for something, would you not hire a lawyer and fall on the mercy of the court or would you do whatever it takes to try and have them receive the best possible outcome? Get off of your high horse.
Laws are challenged all of the time for the benefit of individuals. It has nothing to do with accountability or self entitlement. The law was put in place for a reason and it protects them. The NFL is challenging that law. Why should they waive their right to be protected by the law for the sake of the NFL, when the law is stating that the NFL is in the wrong in this instance? You need a reality check.

By: Jabberwocky

Jabberwocky — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:24:47 +0000

Adept- so what you’re saying is that there are a lot of “high” Minnesota employees screwing around at work?

By: CutlerISaPussy

CutlerISaPussy — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:22:28 +0000

By: Anarcho Purplism

Anarcho Purplism — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:12:10 +0000

This case was BS from the beginning.
These fat guys took a diuretic to hide their 4th meal fetish. This substance is NOT steriods & allegedly “masks” steroid use. They purchased this OVER THE COUNTER.
These players were not informed by the regulatory body that manages banned/okay products. The NFL should have side stepped this early on due to the misunderstanding nature. Maybe fined them $5,000 a piece for being annoying & looking like some punishment was laid down then move on.
So now we learn labor laws in MN on this issue are “more fair” than those of Louisiana.
The NFL should have seen this outlook months ago. Now, they look even more stupid with half of the parties guilty & the other half not guilty due to differences in state law.
***NEWSFLASH***
The common man cannot speak legalese. This situation does not help the game at all.
Saints players should be let off the hook.
BTW….This was HILARIOUS
zygi milf says: September 11, 2009 12:36 PM
The State of Minnesota protects it’s citizens.
Louisiana sends them back into a below-sea-level swamp after a disaster.

By: marcduke

marcduke — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:05:22 +0000

Man up and take the penalty. I love this rhetoric. So if you ever get arrested or someone is going to sue you for something, don’t hire a lawyer.
Everyone hires lawyers to protect themselves. If you don’t, you’re dumb. No one wants to take their punishment in full, which is why there are plea deals and trials. If you can find something that works out in your advantage, you do it. There are laws people, read up and understand the story and what is going on. It’s not as cut and dry as fair and not fair. The state law protects them, it’s the NFL’s fault they didn’t cover it in the CBA. If anything, the NFL should “man up” and take the loss instead of wasting tons of taxpayers dollars on an issue that should have never gotten to this point.
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And that pile of garbage you just typed is what’s wrong with this country. No accountability and self entitlement – we are heading down the road of the Romans, folks.

By: Bob Nelson

Bob Nelson — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:50:03 +0000

Reading the Appeals Court document, it seems to me that the Court indicates if the sample were tested twice or if the players were able to have independent testing done on the sample the suspensions would be valid under Minnesota law.
It appears the NFL did not test the sample again or did not preserve the sample for independent testing. That would be the second test.
That should be standard with any testing program.
The portion regarding use of legal products during nonworking hours was screwed up because the NFL “failed to define nonworking hours during training camp.” The court scoffed at the notion that the players had no nonworking hours.
The ingestion of the steroid masking agent is a violation of the CBA regardless of what hour of the day it occurred!!
If the NFL had just double tested the samples of the fat lazy flabby lazy cheating immoral viking players, their suspensions would have been over long ago.

By: darth_vincent

darth_vincent — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:44:41 +0000

the NFL did not need to inform the players about Starcaps… it was NEVER on an NFL approved substance list at anytime. The NFLPA is the one’s who blew it, they needed to remind their members that Starcaps was a product that no player in the NFL could endorse… get it!!!! Vikings cheat worse than Belichek… and now cheating is officially approved by the Justice Dept. in Minnesota.

By: sand0

sand0 — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:43:38 +0000

Minnesota State law allows for employees that fail a drug test the chance to explain themselves and how perhaps the failure was accidental or drugs were medicinal or whatever.
This is a perfect instance of this. The Williamses unknowingly ingested a banned substance and now have the opportunity to explain their case in court. If they win then the NFL does not have the legal right to suspend them so long as they are employed in Minnesota.
Unfortunately for the Saints players their state does not offer this protection to employees.
This is a fair outcome in that the law was followed. You can argue that the laws are wrong or that Minnesota should not protect its employees in this way but you really can’t argue against the ruling unless you have spent hours and hours looking through all the laws and have a law degree. (i.e. if you are a packers fan you can’t just say “this is bs unfair”.)
Like it or not, The Wall stands tall.

By: Kidekk

Kidekk — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:37:29 +0000

falstaff1962 says:
September 11, 2009 11:54 AM
Sorry- I’m a Vikings guy, but Kevin and Pat should be suspended. They fished around for a technicality because they screwed up and got caught at it. Man up guys. You did the crime, now do the time. But instead of doing that, lets waste tons of the taxpayers dollars on an issue that should have never gotten to this point.
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Man up and take the penalty. I love this rhetoric. So if you ever get arrested or someone is going to sue you for something, don’t hire a lawyer.
Everyone hires lawyers to protect themselves. If you don’t, you’re dumb. No one wants to take their punishment in full, which is why there are plea deals and trials. If you can find something that works out in your advantage, you do it. There are laws people, read up and understand the story and what is going on. It’s not as cut and dry as fair and not fair. The state law protects them, it’s the NFL’s fault they didn’t cover it in the CBA. If anything, the NFL should “man up” and take the loss instead of wasting tons of taxpayers dollars on an issue that should have never gotten to this point.

By: zygi milf

zygi milf — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:36:19 +0000

The State of Minnesota protects it’s citizens.
Louisiana sends them back into a below-sea-level swamp after a disaster.

By: Nevisyakker

Nevisyakker — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:35:14 +0000

For those with short memories…An NFL employee whose job it is to inform and watch over the banned substance issue knew that the diuretic in question secretely contained the banned substance but CHOSE NOT TO INFORM NFL PLAYERS. The NFL was concerned that some players may use the substance because it also may have the effect of flushing the system of steroid evidence. The state of MN, which is a very labor friendy state, says that the decision of the NFL to hold players respoonsible even though the NFL decided not to properly inform them is unjust and unfair to the workers, in this case the Williams’.
There is no grand consiracy, no judge with a Vikings bumper sticker. It is simply the law, and quite frankly the NFL should be held accountable for their conduct in this entire mess.

By: goodjuan

goodjuan — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:34:15 +0000

if the vikings move from minnesota, don’t expect to get another team in any circumstances.

By: CutlerISaPussy

CutlerISaPussy — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:34:00 +0000

All the bs about being able to explain you self got thrown out. The part that is still being considered (and will be upheld) is that in Minnesota 1) you can’t be suspended from work for taking a legal substance off the work site and 2) you can’t be suspended from work for your first violation for substance abuse. Both work in the favor of the Williams Walls

By: Tjackfan

Tjackfan — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:32:15 +0000

LMAO StevieMo!!!!

By: bills9951

bills9951 — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:28:12 +0000

Daffy87:
LMAO….hahaha. but the browns suck

By: SaintMichael

SaintMichael — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:27:14 +0000

deucebot – of course there is a connection moron.
Florio is dead wrong on this I promise you. Saints won’t be suspended.

By: Peoria Viking

Peoria Viking — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:25:55 +0000

Dear pkrjones:
Here is your” common sense” explanation:
The sovereign State of Minnesota has enacted a state law that provides additional protections to it’s employees for drug testing.
The sovereign State of Louisiana either has not, or the Saint’s players have not alleged them.
End of explanation.