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Why do Lovie's buddies keep piling on Cutler?

You don’t need to be an NFL insider to have heard the whispers about Jay Cutler’s leadership skills (or lack thereof.)

The issue went national, of course, during the long buildup to Cutler’s trade to Chicago, with Tony Dungy being one of the most outspoken people who questioned Cutler’s maturity a few months after he joined the Bears.

Those comments raised a few eyebrows considering Dungy’s relationship with Bears coach Lovie Smith, and now another coach close to Smith has jumped on Cutler’s behavior.

As pointed out by The Chicago Sun-Times, Mike Martz was critical of Cutler during his NFL Network gig, especially Cutler’s behavior in his post-game presser.

“[Cutler] just doesn’t get it,” Martz said. “He doesn’t understand that he
represents a great head coach and the rest of those players on that
team … somebody needs to talk to him.”

Jim Mora also slammed Cutler for “acting like he didn’t even care,” which we’re not sure is fair.  Whether you like it or not, Cutler’s laconic demeanor is a lot more consistent than his decision-making on the field.  He’s just not going to give fire-and-brimstone speeches.

Cutler’s attitude towards the press is a lot less interesting to us than his interaction with his teammates.  There have been signs that Cutler wasn’t exactly a beloved leader in the Denver locker room.

Journalist Stefan Fatsis, who spent training camp in 2006 with the Broncos for a book he wrote, alluded to Cutler’s aloof nature in a recent interview with the On the DL Podcast.  (Outstanding book incidentally.) 

Fatsis had close ties with folks throughout the Broncos organization, and there seemed to legitimate questions from within whether Cutler had the “intangibles” necessary to lead a football team.  It’s fair to wonder whether Josh McDaniels and company took this into account before dealing Cutler away.

Fatsis’ comments popped in my head when I read what Martz’s said.  Hearing one coach close to Lovie Smith question Cutler’s maturity was odd, but two seems like a trend.

Brad Biggs of the Sun-Times said it perfectly: “At this point, it’s fair to wonder if Lovie Smith shares the same viewpoints as his mentors.”

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49 Responses to “Why do Lovie's buddies keep piling on Cutler?”
  1. winklebean says: Sep 15, 2009 3:10 PM

    As a Broncos fan all I can say is this. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

  2. rusH1023 says: Sep 15, 2009 3:15 PM

    “It’s fair to wonder whether Josh McDaniels and company took this into account before dealing Cutler away.”
    That’s what most people who knew McDaniels and the organization he came from have been saying the whole time, in my opinion.

  3. Citizen Strange says: Sep 15, 2009 3:15 PM

    Did Shanny say that he was going to cut Cutler too?

  4. milehiclown says: Sep 15, 2009 3:19 PM

    It is also worth wondering: did Lovie have a choice or did the GM and owner–in bad economic times–simply see Cutler as a savior and dismiss the rumors.
    I know nothing about Smith–he might be GM?? To lazy to look.
    But i do know about Cutler. His arm is SICK but as a person and as a player, he is a first class DOUCHE.
    Buyer beware: the Cutler you saw on Sunday is the Cutler he had in Denver. Lots of pics, lost more games than he won and he drank like a fish (smart move for a diabetic).

  5. Bearfan54 says: Sep 15, 2009 3:20 PM

    Lovie had nothing to do in bringing Cutler to Chicago. It was all Angelo and the CEO. Lovie actually would have been satisfied with Orton but Angelo muscled this move all the way.

  6. Renaissance4BearsFans says: Sep 15, 2009 3:21 PM

    Hearin”g one coach close to Lovie Smith question Cutler’s maturity was odd, but two seems like a trend.”
    OR you could conclude that coaches and others in NFL don’t just copy plays, but also ideas.
    Isn’t it possible that when Dungy says something, his views might be echoed by others?

  7. tom coughlin's coat holder says: Sep 15, 2009 3:21 PM

    since when has being popular become a prerequiste to be a good qb?
    citing martz about anything is a waste of time,talk about a guy with a high opinion of himself.also,i love the guys that go by the byline of un-nammed sources,probably third tier bit players in weak organizations.
    i really wonder what goes through people’s minds,last year the guy threw for over four thousand yards on a shit team.how many games did the guy score over thirty points only to have the defense gift wrap the game to the opposition.
    cutler is a high skills player,ask jeff fisher in tenn. if he would take cutler.if fisher knew he had a chance,he’d walk to chicago to pack cutler’s bags.

  8. stopwest says: Sep 15, 2009 3:22 PM

    during the Denver fiasco it was clear consensus Cutler was an immature baby—why would things change a few hundred miles away?

  9. slipkid says: Sep 15, 2009 3:23 PM

    well orton got it done last weekend. and it sounds like grossman had a good camp.
    cutler may have been a larger product of the denver / shanahan offensive system and offensive talent pool than originally believed.
    the bears still have a pedestrian offense, at best. it was better than that last year, actually.
    that jolly interception was special. i would have benched him right then.

  10. leatherneck says: Sep 15, 2009 3:35 PM

    Bears and Cutler together. It’s a perfect match.

  11. Merriman's Dealer says: Sep 15, 2009 3:36 PM

    Such a tool. As mentioned many times here and other places; He’s Jeff George. Jees, what a F’ing tool.

  12. 90ragtop says: Sep 15, 2009 3:37 PM

    Let me begin by saying that I think that he has the technical skills and natural ability to be a pretty godd quarterback.
    Having said that, I’ll only add that Cutler is a punk.

  13. SteelTown_6 says: Sep 15, 2009 3:38 PM

    “…There have been signs that Cutler wasn’t exactly a beloved leader in the Denver locker room…”
    He’s gonna be even less “beloved” once the Steelers get through with him on Sunday.

  14. Igottz5onit says: Sep 15, 2009 3:47 PM

    answer to title of article:
    because he is a turd and thus gets piled on like most turds.

  15. Castro95 says: Sep 15, 2009 3:52 PM

    Who cares about the coaches on other teams! Everybody in the media hates Da BEARS why I dont know must be some internal thing. Cutler is a great player yes he had a bad game but look at what he did in Denver. Dungy is talking crap but of course he is going to stick up for Lovie thats his best friend. If you ask me its not the QB that is the problom its the coaches starting with Lovie & ron turner. I can give you one bad QB but totally distroying the confidence of three? Grossman Orton & Cutler? its time to start the train!
    FIRE LOVIE AND HIS GANG OF IDIOTS HE CALLS COACHES TRAIN!
    your trully a die hard BEARS fan.

  16. Philtration says: Sep 15, 2009 3:56 PM

    This is what the talking heads in the media do and it is not just confined to sports.
    They hear one opinion and it become the buzzword of the day.
    They just rehash the same thyme over and over and that way they have safety in numbers and avoid any original thought or opinions.
    You are less likely to be called out when there are 10 of you all saying the same damn thing.
    It is weak at best.
    Consider the source for a moment.
    Mike Martz calling out anyone is in itself a joke.
    Jim Mora is going to lecture anyone on maturity?
    Look who is calling the kettle black here.

  17. Drat says: Sep 15, 2009 3:56 PM

    Dungy and Martz are two of the coaches least likely to fly off on a player. Dungy lays into society. Martz lays into management. But both are true-blue players’ coaches to the hilt. Tells you something.

  18. MarkTroy says: Sep 15, 2009 4:01 PM

    You big meanie.
    Why do you have to refer to your sister Stefan as “Fat sis”? Poor girl just likes to eat.

  19. Bob S. says: Sep 15, 2009 4:02 PM

    lovie has a bigger problem than cutler on his offense. its RON TURNER who cant lead a teams offense! he seemed to have vturned cutler into rex grossman in one month.
    has nothing to do with leadership when the qb throws in one direction and his receivers head the other way. this is bad coaching, bad communication. and has been terrible since turner was oc.

  20. vdogg says: Sep 15, 2009 4:06 PM

    And if he would have thrown 4 TD’s instead of picks what would everyone be saying this week…??? Get over it, the kid has football skills, none of us should give a crap if he is “nice” to the media after a loss…

  21. Bob S. says: Sep 15, 2009 4:08 PM

    slipkid says:
    well orton got it done last weekend. and it sounds like grossman had a good camp.
    cutler may have been a larger product of the denver / shanahan offensive system and offensive talent pool than originally believed.

    #1- orton couldn’t lead them to a single touchdown in over 59 and a half minutes. and the only score was on a pass he was unable to complete to marshall that deflected yards away into a fluke td. yes orton was also very less than average in chicago.
    #2-grossman – he had the same offensive coord ron turner who ruined him in chicago.
    #3- cutler- looked as bewildered as grossman used to in chicago under RON TURNER one of the worst if not the worst play callers in the league.

  22. ScootyPuffJunior says: Sep 15, 2009 4:09 PM

    You realize he has played a whopping, one game for the Bears right? I mean, sure he’s a douche and sometimes reckless with the rock in his hands, but seriously, it is only his first game with the team. Hardly enough here to crucify the guy on.

  23. chasewa says: Sep 15, 2009 4:24 PM

    interesting how I’m not seeing an article about Philip Rivers barking at a raider on the ground and throwing a football at his head.
    Anybody who watches Chicago football knows, as Bob S references above, The offense is poorly coached, the receivers are horrible, and O-Line has always been crap. I would have expected a few interceptions from any QB with that supporting cast.
    Cutler didnt say anything post-game because its rude to blame your idiot receivers.

  24. footballrulz says: Sep 15, 2009 4:25 PM

    Maybe they could rehash some parsley, sage & rosemary with that thyme.

  25. VikingsFan23 says: Sep 15, 2009 4:28 PM

    I wonder when Jay Cutler is just going to give us the full JeffGeorgian treatment?
    He’s already had a bitter divorce from a team, now he just needs to get cut by Chicago and end up in Oakland where he can declare himself inactive with injuries, before taking a rehabilitation tour with a team with a loaded offense needing a back up QB to their current aging starter (Again, the Vikings are a perfect fit), then turn down the starting job for more money as the back up to a solid but unspectacular starter for a team with an antsy owner, then weasel his way into the starting job, and then getting cut for alienating the entire team and the coaching staff after an 0-4 start to the 2015 season. He can then take the rest of the year off with his guaranteed $25M, then sign onto some obscure team as their #3 QB before getting cut there. He will then spend the years between age 38-43 attempting to get another shot with a team “A QB away” and will be consistently rebuffed.
    This is SO happening.

  26. CYGNUS X-1 says: Sep 15, 2009 4:35 PM

    if this was so well known about him why did anybody not say aything before this year?never heard a bad word before he got traded.as far as dungy is concerned what does he know about qb’s?he could not win with dilfer and a great d but as soon as dilfer goes to the ravens he wins a superbowl.as soon as dungy leaves tampa wins so what does that say about his leadership?sure he finaly got one with the colts but how long did it take him to knock off the pats to get there?and he had manning as his qb the entire time he was there.as for the bears offense manning would not win with the play calling of turner and smith,montana could not have won in this system.what other team refuses to call a play that works more than 1 time a game,3rd down and one with 10 men on the line for the d?run up the middle of course and let’s not forget the always popular wide reciever screen which never gains any yards but must be called twice a game at least.untill they change the philosphy of defense only they will not win.maybe they can get shanahan to coach next year

  27. JimmySmith says: Sep 15, 2009 4:45 PM

    Just look at the way Cutler got out of Denver, crying like a bitch, not returning the owner’s phone calls, acting like a little baby.
    Ok, he does have some skills to play QB but then again, so did Ryan Leaf. I wasn’t shocked when Denver traded him, I always figured they must have had their doubts about his long term potential and now we are seeing why.
    Chicago should just bite the bullet and draft their next QB in the spring. Cutler is not the answer.

  28. mnmaverick says: Sep 15, 2009 4:58 PM

    You can see it just by looking at him that he’s arrogant. There is a reason why he isn’t a Viking.
    He has Diebetes and he’s arrogant enough to keep ride on drinking regardless. He doesn’t care about how that effects his health, how that affects the team, how that is perceived by the fans, etc.

  29. nosferatu says: Sep 15, 2009 5:11 PM

    Cutler has talent but gets rattled way to easily, i.e. him jawing after a play with rookie clay matthews, it shows he still needs to grow up a lot and keep his mouth shut. Personally I loved watching him lose his cool so quickly but who can blame him ron turner is a joke and his #1 receiver is a glorified punt returner, albeit probably the best punt returner ever, who can only really run the fly route.

  30. Pack_Attack says: Sep 15, 2009 5:12 PM

    The word from the Lambeau faithful was “You should have seen his face walking into the tunnel.”
    Just a whining baby I hear.

  31. lolcopter says: Sep 15, 2009 5:30 PM

    bears got fleeced

  32. Bwa Ha Ha says: Sep 15, 2009 5:31 PM

    Cutler should just get the orange jumpsuit, the paper flip flops and bend over

  33. purpleguy says: Sep 15, 2009 5:32 PM

    Come on, it’s only one frigging game. Lets draw conclusions at the end of the season, or at least 10 games into the season. There are plenty of Hall of Fame quarterbacks who were despised by their teamates — the important point is whether the QB wins enough games at seasons’ end.

  34. Jon Snow says: Sep 15, 2009 5:43 PM

    During McJaygate the divisions within the Broncos fanbase were complex and numerous, but one could essentially separate them into three groups:
    1) Those that were enamored with Cutler’s arm/skills and hated and blamed McD for everything. Doom and gloom was/is their forecast.
    2) Those that understood Cutler lacked the intangibles that separate the good from the great QB’s. They applauded the move and could see Denver headed in the right direction once again.
    3) Those that could see Cutler’s faults, but loved his ability, and were willing to overlook his shortcomings as long as he showed improvement and won games. They adopted the “wait and see” approach to the team. This group comprised the VAST majority of the fans.
    Again, the division was much more complex than that and the infighting continues to this day. But, at any point one could have asked anybody from the latter two groups and received the analysis that these former coach and player experts are now providing.
    I don’t know what Cutler’s future holds, but his aloofness and lack of leadership are major underlying problems with him and it’s yet to be seen if this is something that can be fixed or not.
    The saddest part (coming mostly from Group 3) is that many felt that McD was going to be the one that would come in and correct Cutler’s problems. Martz said that “somebody needs to talk to him.” Well, someone who likely knew long ago exactly what was wrong with Cutler did “talk to him” and we all know how that worked out.

  35. AD4MVP says: Sep 15, 2009 5:48 PM

    sounds like a schism in the works here…

  36. mike says: Sep 15, 2009 6:05 PM

    I don’t know about Cutler’s ways and attitude…
    But is this the way to start a relationship? By having teammates and friends of the coach slamming the guy?
    We all know how politics gets done in Chicago….I mean, look at the con we have for Prez now…
    But is this how “buddies” and business is done too?
    Maybe Cutler will just decide to retire…then Chicago can go pound sand until they get another Rex.

  37. pudgalvin says: Sep 15, 2009 6:13 PM

    Holy God, it was one game.
    And to the individual that said Orton “got it done,” that’s, quite honestly, the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever read on the internet.

  38. Howie Handles says: Sep 15, 2009 6:19 PM

    well orton got it done last weekend, and Grossman had a good camp?
    _________
    Got what done? Did you actually watch the game? He threw into triple coverage and they got very lucky. As much as Cutler is a douche, I’d rather have him than Orton any day of the week.
    Grossman was on the verge of getting cut, until he played well in the 4th preseason game. I’ve seen both of those guys play the last several years, and at best they’re backups.
    Its one game, and sure he played poorly at times, but he also showed more than any qb the Bears have had in decades, as sad as that is. Plus, did you see the receivers routinely get outmuscled for position? Their running game was a joke also.
    This also coming from an organization that’s supposedly talking extension with Brandon Marshall, who’s hasn’t exactly been a great citizen off the field, and didn’t he just get suspended from his team for a week?
    The word from the Lambeau faithful was “You should have seen his face walking into the tunnel.”
    _________
    He lost, what is he supposed to do?
    #2-grossman – he had the same offensive coord ron turner who ruined him in chicago.
    ___________
    Grossman is no better than a backup. He still makes the same errors he did three years ago. Sure, he’s got a really good arm, but he’s very jumpy in the pocket, and can’t even take a snap from center at least once per game. I’m not gonna defend Turner believe me, but Grossman is nothing special.
    As far as the no returning phone calls deal, didn’t Peter King report that Pat Bowlen has short term memory loss, and suggested that Bowlen wasn’t positive his calls were returned?
    Believe me, I’m not President of the Jay Cutler fan club, but since when is he the biggest turd in the toilet? Every team has a least a few, and some aren’t even playing for Marvin Lewis.

  39. sullijo says: Sep 15, 2009 6:19 PM

    Cutler Stat’s:
    4 Seasons
    38 Games
    0 Playoff wins
    0 Playoff Appearances
    41 Int’s
    How did this guy become the “next coming” during the offseason?
    Let’s see how he performs this week facing so much adversity from fans, media, etc…..it will be interesting to watch.
    I would trade him for Sanchez straight up right now, but I don’t think the Jets would do that deal – Jets fans weigh in……..

  40. pantherdan89 says: Sep 15, 2009 6:21 PM

    We should all take saint Dungy’s character analysis as gospel and realize that Mike Vick is a much better Leader and QB than Cutler. Makes sense to me.

  41. Howie Handles says: Sep 15, 2009 6:21 PM

    I love how Martz is all of a sudden the voice of reason, and Dungy is the moral compass. Perhaps if Dungy paid more attention to his kids, his son wouldn’t have killed himself. Yeah, I went there. I do feel empathy towards him, and understand the demands on NFL coaches, but shit, he obviously didn’t have a clue on what his kid was up to.

  42. Howie Handles says: Sep 15, 2009 6:26 PM

    bears got fleeced
    __________
    How so? Orton and some picks? No guarantee those picks will still be in the league in a few years. What’s the average NFL stint, 2-3 years? Draft picks are a crap shoot.

  43. lolcopter says: Sep 15, 2009 6:28 PM

    “The saddest part (coming mostly from Group 3) is that many felt that McD was going to be the one that would come in and correct Cutler’s problems. Martz said that “somebody needs to talk to him.” Well, someone who likely knew long ago exactly what was wrong with Cutler did “talk to him” and we all know how that worked out.”
    oh, snap
    preach!

  44. lolcopter says: Sep 15, 2009 6:34 PM

    “How so? Orton and some picks? No guarantee those picks will still be in the league in a few years. What’s the average NFL stint, 2-3 years? Draft picks are a crap shoot.”
    No guarantee Jay Cutler will be in the league in a few years

  45. VonClausewitz says: Sep 15, 2009 6:58 PM

    Right well there were 2 Jay Cutler’s on the field last weekend. The Jay Cutler who looked poised and made tough throws, and the pick machine who got rattled. Like it or not the guy can play the game. And yes he’s got a lot to learn, not the least of which is personal responsibility and owning up to his mistakes. But I think he’s got what it takes. And he’s a got a good coach to learn from. So we’ll see what happens. It’s really up to him what kind of man he wants to be.

  46. cbusms says: Sep 15, 2009 9:06 PM

    I thought Dungy was pretty hard on Cutler.
    Especially after the way he absolutely glowed when talking about Michael Vick.

  47. whatthehellisgoingonoutthere says: Sep 15, 2009 9:14 PM

    # mnmaverick says: September 15, 2009 4:58 PM
    You can see it just by looking at him that he’s arrogant. There is a reason why he isn’t a Viking.
    ————————–
    This is the funniest statement I’ve seen in awhile!! Have you not looked at the old man that they instead signed and his behavior the last 2 years???!?!?! They keep calling Cutler a Baby Favre. Couldn’t be more true….

  48. mnmaverick says: Sep 16, 2009 1:40 AM

    Cutler is no Favre. He’s never even guided a team to the playoffs. And he had enough weapons to form an Air Force in Denver.
    Favre’s only flaw in indecisiveness on what he wants to do. Alot of people are like that.
    Green Bay had no problem with him until after they threw him over-board despite his desire to come back. Then they pulled a low-ball by shipping him to the pathetic Jets and installing hefty penalties for any trade to the NFC North. In other words they played the role of Glen Close in “Fatal Attraction” The Philosophy of the Cheese Turds: “If I can’t have you, nobody else can either.”

  49. magsdad1 says: Sep 16, 2009 9:48 PM

    For those of you who never saw Cutler as a Bronco, you didn’t see two Cutlers last Sunday. You just saw Cutler.
    The Broncos fanbase is pissed because Orton doesn’t have the skills that Jay has. BUT, almost no one has a problem with his demeanor, handling of the press, etc. And when one reads the papers in Denver, or better yet, listens to interviews, you do get a sense that the players really like the locker room they have now.
    Before the end o the season, Cutler will singlehandedly win the bears three games. But he will also lay down a few more of those Sunday night specials.
    Oh, and don’t forget: The Patriots played Denver last year and put a beat down on them. He was yelling at receivers, linemen, etc. and came off as a total douche. I can only imagine what that would look like from a veteran sideline to an aspiring coach that works with arguably the best quarterback in the league (not to mention one of its true professionals).

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