On Tuesday, Charley Walters of the St. Paul Pioneer Press became the first writer to raise the question that surely will be asked many times over the coming months, especially after Sunday's thrilling win over the 49ers.
Will Brett Favre play for the Vikings in 2010?
Last month, he signed a two-year deal, with a base salary of $12 million in 2009 and $13 million next season. But, when the contract was signed, no one expected Favre to spend more than a year with the Vikings.
Now, with Favre looking 15 years younger in uniform than he does at a podium, it's not out of the question to consider a 40-going-on-41 Favre playing one more year.
So the question will continue to be asked.
And we'll get an answer in late August of next year, at the earliest.
The first official "Will Brett play in 2010?" article
Posted by Mike Florio on September 30, 2009 12:12 PM ET
Maybe should just focus on this year?? They are 3-0
Will he retire? Yeah and the Vikings will sign Chad the-comeback-player-of-2010 Pennington.
Smell the irony! (and humor)
Someone shoot me now.
YES...it's finally begun. I've been waiting like a month and a half for this. I LIVE for this.
No, he wont last 16 games in 2009. Thus..end of career.
Sure he will.
Then he won't.
Then he will again.
Bottom line, he wouldn't directly answer the question, not if you take the last 8 years into account. He was miffed at the Packers on his first retirement because they didn't fly down to Mississippi and get down on bended knee to beg him to come back.
Now that wouldn't even be an issue with Chilly, he will not only get down on his knees, he will bend over and grab his ankles sans the KY jelly (a symbolic analogy that all the Viking fans can readily relate to).
No, Favre enjoys the media spotlight to render a timely decision for the organization that holds his contract. That was his biggest problem all along and it wouldn't disappear just because he is wearing fag purple.
> And we'll get an answer in late August of next year, at the earliest.
Then there's no point writing about it prior to August.
Someone shoot me now :)
What a great start to Haiku!
Circus Act Brett Favre
http://FavreHaiku.com (Thanks Emoney!)
Leave it to the idiot Walters to do this.
This guy has to be the worst writer ever.
His little birdie told him tag line is just so precious.
Too bad the little birdie is a stool pigeon that is never right.
I actually think ol' Charley has been dead for 15 years and nobody bothered to tell him.
See, this is why the media does not deseve our sympathy when they don't get to interview players. Who gives a rat's ass whether Favre comes back in 2010 right now? Nobody, except the pot-stirring assholes in the media...and Florio so he can write about it every hour for the next 9 months.
F the media.
He'll talk it over with Chilly. I know that's a worthless statement, but I just love when Childress is referred to as "Chilly."
For crying out loud, can't we just let him play. As a Packer fan I am torn between hating the Vikings and still enjoying Brett Favre play.
All the nonsense about him being a drama queen is the media's fault. Brett doesn't bring up will he or wont he play the media does and now he will be forced to answer the speculation all season; while bloggers and media types make snide remarks about how he is an egomaniac. This includes you Florio.
The guy made one throw and now he's Brent Favre circa 1996 reincarnated????? Before that throw he was the king of checkdown and 2 yard passes.
It's never been about what he does at the beginning of the season, but rather his choke jobs as he fades miserably towards the end of the season. Just like the past 5-6 years....
Stop. Please. Just F'n stop.
Favre makes one good play and everyone thinks he's God again. I feel like setting fire to the Wranglers section at Sears.
@Wonderlic figure you''ll post on this. Just wanted to say I got your back homie! I bleed the purple and gold all day. Good to see another Viking's fan on here not willing to swallow the bull these internet Vikings haters spew. I joined a couple months ago and the same D-bags post on every Viking's post... (ironically a few have declined to post after the Viking's 49ers game... hmm I wonder why) keep checking these fools. 612 all day.
P.S. Florio get off of Favre's balls. You hated on the man the entire offseason now you want to wear his letter jacket. Child please!
Based on the recent body of work by older qb's, he could easily play another 4+ years. Warren Moon was effective after 41, and was a backup for another 4 years. If Brett ever decides to be a backup, there is no reason he couldn't play till he is 45 or so. Testaverde played until 43. Brett has been superior to both of Moon and Testaverde throughout his career, and in terms of conditioning and avoiding injuries.
If Charlie Batch breaks down in the next year or so, I would welcome him to backup for my Steelers, and I'm sure a lot of other teams and fans would feel the same. He may have another 5 or 6 years left where he plays better than current NFL starters like Russell in Oakland and Delhomme in Carolina, and the pair of dim lightbulbs in Cleveland.
Awesome, another article started by a person in the media, that will get blamed on Favre.
If the media would stop covering every little tiny thing Favre does, maybe it wouldn't be such a big deal. Funny how Favre can say nothing, but everybody blames him for the billions or articles written. 20 years ago and the whole Favre thing would have not been a big deal to anyone but those who live in WI and MN.
I'd guess if Brett makes it thru the year in good shape and the Vikings at least make the playoffs, he'll be back for AT LEAST another year.
Why retire when you're being paid 12+ million per and your supporting cast is decent?
The problem I foresee is that Minnesota doesn't appear to have the talent as advertised - especially on the O-line and receiving corps, which could make for a string of losses coming downt the line.
Looking 15 years younger? Based on what ? One pass play that he pulled out of his ass ? I'm a huge Favre Homer but even I think we should wait and see how this year plays out.
This is why this Favre thing has been such a clusterphuck, the g damn media keeps beating this should he or shouldnt he crap into the ground.
LOL to Rex Grossmans comment.
To J.Cannon - there's going to be haters on every post.
Florio - why do you quote Walters? i live in MN and everyone here knows that his articles are all BS. the guy makes stuff up just b/c he has nothing real to write about. his "rumors" are all fictitious statements that he's conjured up on his own.
TO THE PFT PLANET: DISREGARD ANYTHING FROM FLORIO THAT IS A QUOTE FROM CHARLEY WALTERS. THE GUY MAKES UP STUFF JUST SO HE HAS SOMETHING TO PRINT. LOCALLY, HE IS VIEWED AS NOTHING MORE THAN A JOKE. NOBODY HERE TAKES HIM SERIOUSLY AND NEITHER SHOULD YOU!
# MoPackerFan says: September 30, 2009 12:28 PM
For crying out loud, can't we just let him play. As a Packer fan I am torn between hating the Vikings and still enjoying Brett Favre play.
All the nonsense about him being a drama queen is the media's fault. Brett doesn't bring up will he or wont he play the media does and now he will be forced to answer the speculation all season; while bloggers and media types make snide remarks about how he is an egomaniac. This includes you Florio.
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# Chris Fiorentino says: September 30, 2009 12:26 PM
See, this is why the media does not deseve our sympathy when they don't get to interview players. Who gives a rat's ass whether Favre comes back in 2010 right now? Nobody, except the pot-stirring assholes in the media...and Florio so he can write about it every hour for the next 9 months.
F the media.
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An official "Hell Yeah" for Chris Fiorentino
The NFL is rigged... so expect the unexpected.
In this day of a Marketing driven business... and with the desire for a new stadium in Minneapolis, and the threat of moving the team to LA... OK enough with the set-up...
Favre/the Vikings win the Superbowl in 2009/10, Facre retires, Kolb contnues his excellence in Philly on and off this year throughout McNabb's injuries, Philly moves on, cuts McNabb and his enormous salary, he signs with the Vikings, they win the Superbowl again in 2010/11.
Is that enough from me or do you want more?
- Z
At this point I just want Favre to die in a fiery car crash.
Whatthehellisinmyass:
I guess you're just jealous because he rallied a team in the last 2 minutes of a game....Something that Karen is like 1-10 at.
Oh No You Di 'ent, Aw Hellll Naw!
come on chickenfoot. favre threw a pick the previous drive and the last pass was essentially a hail mary.
FIX THE GOD DAMN LOG IN PROBLEM
Favre will win the Super Bowl this season and next. He will then retire for good with more glory and fanfare than Elway and Bettis combined. It will be the perfect ending to the perfect career.
MoPackerFan -
You said it best. I always loved watching Favre in green and gold - even though I rooted for him to lose each week. He's so much fun to watch play.
I would love to see him come back and work on a second straight super bowl victory. That way I can laugh at all Packer fans because he'll have one more super bowl victory in Purple than he has in Green.
@whatthehellisgoingonoutthere
"Before that throw he was the king of checkdown and 2 yard passes."
No, that would be Buffalo's Trent Edwards
Nothing Charlie Walters writes ever counts, and at least mike has noted that before. Besides, we'll be hearing McNabb rumors all offseason anyhow. And many of the cheesres posting above are right, Favre's performance was average at best prior to that last drive. He'd better improve to win Monday night.
I have a dollar
Wow. This is a riot. If Coach Dingleberry had called a true Prevent formation defense, that hope-and-a-prayer pass would have been batted down and we'd all be talking about how Favre doesn't have it anymore. What a difference a badly defended play makes.
I hope so. we need as many packer retreads as possible.
The more I hear his name the more I love it!
It's about time somebody brought up the Favre '10 angle. What were they waiting for? Week 4?
Super, you are wrong, there was no pick on the prior drive.
Regardless, he won the game with that pass, hail mary or not. Rodgers has yet to prove he can do that on a semi consistent basis.
He is not a good 2 minute QB.
PAcker faithful:
Favre does not need to be Superman to win this game, a healthy dose of ALL DAY is what is needed, the Packers have shown they cannot stop the run.
Nard:
Change the 1st letter in your screen name to a T.
That ball was placed where it couldn't be batted down. Did you even watch the game? Or are you just indiscriminately spouting ignorance?
Anyone trying to gauge Favre's play right now is missing the point.
This week he's the miracle man who can do no wrong and can play another 4 years. What was he doing last year at this time? Throwing 6 TDs in a game and leading the league in TD passes and everyone said the same thing.
Judge Favre by what happens the last month of the season. That's what matters. He'll be good for the first 10 games. But those aren't the games that matter.
# beyondclarity says: September 30, 2009 1:07 PM
I would love to see him come back and work on a second straight super bowl victory. That way I can laugh at all Packer fans because he'll have one more super bowl victory in Purple than he has in Green.
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You Purple panzies are really incredible. This is why Vikings fans get such a well deserved bad rap and the notorious NFL's biggest fairweather fan label. You haven't won a damn thing and you're already talking about the SECOND Super Bowl trophy. This seems rather incredulous considering your team history is filled with more choke job's than any other team in the NFL. Losing 4 Super Bowls you were favored in, 1998, 41-0 loss against the Giants. I could go on and on....
Every offseason it's the same thing. You will beat your chest in spring about some new free agent or draft pick that's going to guarantee a trip to the Super Bowl, even if it's a chump like Barnyard Berrian who hasn't even had a 1000 yd season. Living in Mpls, I see it every year. It's the most ridiculous fan phenomenon I've ever witnessed, save for the unsold tickets when the team is winning and inability to even sell out the first home playoff game in 10 years. You will babble about it being the economy, but what was the reason in the 90's when the corporations had to bail them out game after game?
Do yourself a favor and watch the games play out, temper your irrational exuberance until you actually DO SOMETHING like make it to the Super Bowl and maybe you won't look like such idiots for a change.
We are going on Week 4 of 2009, why the hell are we discussing this????
Wow, lets get through this season first PLEASE!!
JimmySmith,
About time you show your face! How does that crow taste?
"The guy made one throw and now he's Brent Favre circa 1996 reincarnated????? Before that throw he was the king of checkdown and 2 yard passes"
As evident by his 30 yard TD pass in the first qtr?
fail
"ColtFan21 says: September 30, 2009 12:19 PM
Sure he will.
Then he won't.
Then he will again."
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Perfect. I don't think it could've been put any better.
No J cannon. It Florio please get off of Favre's Taint
The Vikes have struggled against 3 bad teams. Yes I said it...the niners are NOT a solid team. No Gore...you got Shaun Hill, Josh Morgan and Vernon Davis...Issac Bruce? Yikes. Sure lets hear all the Vikes fans yap about "oh, they blocked a kick and ran it back"...well how about sickboys kick return? All 3 games really havent been that exciting to watch. When Pharv was running down the field to throw a block I had to laugh cuz I knew there would be a downpour of "oh he wants to win so bad". Gimme a break. Im waiting for the week when Pharv tries to get cute like that and gets lined up and dumped on his head. Right now, i would give the Vikes no chance against the G-Men or Saints.
A wins a win no matter how you get it....strong game all around or a struggle and a "throw the ball to the end zone as hard as i can" like Pharv did.
Enjoy it now Vikes fans cuz #4 will break your hearts. Just a matter of time.
Calm down everyone. He won't make it past week 6...Baltimore.
The one the guy dropped..the sure int I am referring to. Rodgers is just fine as a 2 minute QB and if Green Bay has to win games in the last two minutes all the time they arent going anywhere anyway.
@LBPACKFAN
I would rather have him break our hearts in the super bowl then be out of it half way through the season. Shall we talk about the bengals game? packers beat a so-so bears squad and the worst team in football.... now you get a real team on monday night... talk to me after that... I am sure you will have plenty of excuses as well.
and we'll hear about it everyday until then, right michael?
Fan_of_Fairies
I was referring to the previous 2 games where he would have needed 100 attempts each game to get to 300 yards. Don't pretend like you don't know what I'm talking about. The local media was even talking obsessively about it in the papers and on KFAN.
On a plus note, it was the FIRST time Childress has ever had a QB pass for 300yds. That's almost too unbelievable to believe, but true.
beyondclarity says:
September 30, 2009 1:07 PM
I would love to see him come back and work on a second straight super bowl victory. That way I can laugh at all Packer fans because he'll have one more super bowl victory in Purple than he has in Green.
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And the Vikings will still have 10 fewer championships than the Packers. But I suppose the journey of 1,000 miles begins with a single step, right?
Rodgers is "Just fine" as a 2 min QB? Based on ... what? ONE game where he managed to put together a successful late-game drive, vs. at least a half dozen opportunities last year when he failed? The Bears game this year is the first time he has ever led his team to a win after being behind at the start of the 4th quarter. Favre, on the other hand, has done it something like 42 times. In, what, 273 games or whatever.
Fan of Football says:
September 30, 2009 2:02 PM
JimmySmith,
About time you show your face! How does that crow taste?
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Hide the women & children, here is how crow really tastes,
2001 Season: Favre throws 6 picks in the playoff game vs St Louis tying the single-game NFL record for postseason picks last matched by a passer back in 1955.
2002 Season: 2 INT, 54.4 rating in the Packer’s first-ever home playoff loss to the Falcons.
2003 Season: Favre throws an INT and the game in OT in Philly
2004 Season: 4 INT, 55.4 rating in another home playoff lost to the Biqueens
2005 season: Although the Packers went 4-12 that year, Eight times in the 2005 season, Favre took the field in the fourth quarter with his team in position to tie or take the lead. Favre’s 29 picks that year are the most thrown by any quarterback in the past 20 years.
2006 season: Favre’s 72.7 passer rating that was among the worst in football that season. The list of quarterbacks with a better rating in 2006 included David Carr (82.1), Michael Vick (75.7), Alex Smith (74.8) and Rex Grossman (73.9)
2007 Season: NFC Championship game, In the fourth quarter and overtime, Favre completed 4 of 10 passes for 32 yards with 2 INTs, the second INT in OT in field goal range.
2008 season: Favre ended the season with an 81.0 passer rating: 20 NFL starters last year posted a better mark.
For all the choking Farve has done, I can't imagine a better team for him right now that the Biqueens.
The BF'er is already starting the drama. All hands on deck to fret about what the mississippi queen will do next year. It's so fun to watch chili and the purple fans assume they will finally win, wait till they watch BF in December.
McRib to Mini-scrota would be PERFECT!!
Another over-aged over-hyped over-rated LOSER choke-artist with insecurity issues, who demands constant attention and ego-stroking.
Maybe he can lead the Vikes to 0-5!
(Or, after this year, maybe even 0-6!!)
I personally don't think Bratt will finish the season, but I also bet he'd want at least ONE more opportunity to smile and wink at his own reflection--the one he sees while looking down at Childo's bobbing dome as he kneels to service his Lord & Master.
I LOVE the idea that Bratt will re-un-re-un not re-un re-unreun-re-unretire again. It's just SO special, isn't it? GOD, I hope he graces the world with his public presnece some more. I love being privy to his every whim and action.
Afterall, he's just like a big kid playing in the sandlot who loves the game and is out there running around trying to have fun and make a play, right?
He's not at ALL a pompous egomaniacal wishy-washy media-and-attention-wh0re who's hellbent on revenge and record setting at any cost, right?
I believe in Brett! I bet he CAN do it! All the way to 0-5!
Go, Brett, GO!!
AD4MVP -
We beat a 2-1 Bears team that just won a road game and beat Pitt. We beat the worst team in the NFL by 3 possessions...great. We did lose to Cincy...who happens to be 2-1 and 1 fluke hail marry (sort of like the Niners) from being 3-0. Ok.
I never once mentioned the Packers in my previous post...but ok...we'll see what happens in Monday night then.
Well said Jimmy.
Sterling-Rodgers doesnt kick the field goals or play on defense. he led them down to score on several occasion in the 4th quarter only to have the defense blow it.
J.Cannon says:
September 30, 2009 12:34 PM
@Wonderlic figure you''ll post on this. Just wanted to say I got your back homie! I bleed the purple and gold all day. Good to see another Viking's fan on here not willing to swallow the bull these internet Vikings haters spew. I joined a couple months ago and the same D-bags post on every Viking's post... (ironically a few have declined to post after the Viking's 49ers game... hmm I wonder why) keep checking these fools. 612 all day.
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This isn't "PurpleFairiesMatchmaker.com" --take it somewhere else, JJ.
"Good to see another Viking's fan on here not willing to swallow..."
He's the exception then, I guess.
Supersuckers says:
September 30, 2009 2:33 PM
The one the guy dropped..the sure int I am referring to. Rodgers is just fine as a 2 minute QB and if Green Bay has to win games in the last two minutes all the time they arent going anywhere anyway.
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You mean like last year when he couldn't finish out a game? Thanks for making my point for me!
The int he dropped? Isn't that considered an incomplete pass? Or, does Aikman have a formula for that too?
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JimmySmith says:
September 30, 2009 3:10 PM
Fan of Football says:
September 30, 2009 2:02 PM
JimmySmith,
About time you show your face! How does that crow taste?
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Hide the women & children, here is how crow really tastes,
2001 Season: Favre throws 6 picks in the playoff game vs St Louis tying the single-game NFL record for postseason picks last matched by a passer back in 1955.
2002 Season: 2 INT, 54.4 rating in the Packer’s first-ever home playoff loss to the Falcons.
2003 Season: Favre throws an INT and the game in OT in Philly
2004 Season: 4 INT, 55.4 rating in another home playoff lost to the Biqueens
2005 season: Although the Packers went 4-12 that year, Eight times in the 2005 season, Favre took the field in the fourth quarter with his team in position to tie or take the lead. Favre’s 29 picks that year are the most thrown by any quarterback in the past 20 years.
2006 season: Favre’s 72.7 passer rating that was among the worst in football that season. The list of quarterbacks with a better rating in 2006 included David Carr (82.1), Michael Vick (75.7), Alex Smith (74.8) and Rex Grossman (73.9)
2007 Season: NFC Championship game, In the fourth quarter and overtime, Favre completed 4 of 10 passes for 32 yards with 2 INTs, the second INT in OT in field goal range.
2008 season: Favre ended the season with an 81.0 passer rating: 20 NFL starters last year posted a better mark.
For all the choking Farve has done, I can't imagine a better team for him right now that the Biqueens.
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Isn't a team game? Us Viking fans aren't supposed to blame it all on Karen, yet here you are blaming it all on Favre! Jimmy, your hypocrisy never ends!
I suppose 4th and 26 was all his fault too?
I suppose he couldn't contain Moss either?
And I'm sure it's his fault that he let the Giants get into FG range not once, but twice?
You are a freaking idiot, and you should be banned on this site for your stupidity alone.
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Whatthehellisinmyass says:
Losing 4 Super Bowls you were favored in.
Meathead, they were favored in thier 1st Super Bowl. I've called you out on this before, it's as easy as going to Wikipedia and looking it up, which I've done before. I'm not wasting the time now, the spread is for gambling, it's to induce betting on both sides, so they can make the most possible money. You being the mental midget you are, have no clue about that. You are one of the jughead fans that think if the Pack is favored by 7, the people who make the lines think the Pack is 7 points better. That right there is enough to show me that you have no clue about anything sports related. I can no longer take your posts seriously.
You are a person to be laughed at and verbally abused, and nothing more. This shouldn't be anything new for you, as I am sure this is a common occurence in your everday life.
Asshat.
Aw screw Brett Farve, he couldn't make a patch on Tony Romo's ass, and I ought to know.
That's right gerbil in your ass, you will be watching. The Pack will be irrelevant to football by December.
CS you are alternative lifestyle viking fan arn't you. Everything you post is about something in someones anus. It's a little early for school to be out isn't it? Get back to class
the guy just can't win. even if they go 16-0 the favre haters wouldn't give him any credit. y'all need to grow the f up. he checks down and he gets ripped, he throws deep and y'all call it a hail mary, 1 interception in 3 games and he's still catchin flak. are you f-in kiddin me? what are delhomme's numbers so far? how is kerry collins lookin? yeah no one wants to run their mouth about those two.
so what if he doesn't beat the ravens? then favre is the worst qb ever and they should go with jackson or rosenfels? give me a break.
i kind of expect the vikings to annhilate the packers only because the pack aren't as balanced as the vikings.
i know how you dildos like to talk about brett's inteceptions, how many of those were tipped passes or the receivers fault? oh right they don't keep those stats. dogpile away drones. you have nothing but the same of crap day in and day out.
everyone wait....let me get my crystal ball...
I am always amazed at the audacity of the Biqueen fans, I thought it was bad enough when they were predicting a Superbowl this year and now they are saying Brent will win two in a row. One thing for sure, they ignore their historical tendencies which are not so ironically the same as Brent’s, in the playoffs, with the game on the line, they both choke like Chickenfoot’s sister did last night and I only got it part way down her throat.
JimmySmith just owned you all.
BIQUEENS.
Once again, the media reports on.....the media. To benefit.....the media.
Look at how many comments are on this post!!!
Someone at NBC is lighting Florio's cigar right now.
I get a kick out of all the purple fans who for years said the BF'er sucked and he was over rated, now they all have a little bit of brett running down their chins. Purple Pride
Jimmy: The only chicken you choke is your own, most likely as you're typing.
Quit playing with your dipstick Jimmy!!
By the way, how did that historical tendency work when Denver beat the Pack? Thought so.
Vikings teams from 32 years ago have what to do with 09 again? Oh yeah, it's all the same players.
Gerbil in your ass: Says the guy who talks about semen running down people's chins. Sounds like you know just where you like it big boy.
I bet you are dressed up like Buffalo Bob from Silence of the Lambs right now, aren't you?
Don't you hurt my dog!!
LOL! But it's Buffalo Bill...
Viking quartebacks
Have zero Super Bowl rings
Brett Favre won't change that
http://FavreHaiku.com
How long have you been on the band wagon CS? I can't wait till the vikings fail again this year, it's like the first snow it happens each year without fail. Keep up with the jealous and envious hate CS you will be crying and whipping with your hedi hair in December. LA in 2012.
Sterling says:
September 30, 2009 3:09 PM
Rodgers is "Just fine" as a 2 min QB? Based on ... what? ONE game where he managed to put together a successful late-game drive, vs. at least a half dozen opportunities last year when he failed? The Bears game this year is the first time he has ever led his team to a win after being behind at the start of the 4th quarter. Favre, on the other hand, has done it something like 42 times. In, what, 273 games or whatever.
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And several other times last year Rodgers led his team to take the lead in the 4th only to see the defense give it away in the closing minutes.
I certainly think Rodgers could've done better at times late in games last season, but how many times is he expected to win a game? Twice? Three times?
Keep these stats in mind.
Rodgers:
2009 4th quarter QB rating: 117.0
2009 QB rating when trailing: 109.1
2009 QB rating when trailing by 1-8 points: 114.9
2008 4th quarter QB rating: 87.8
2008 QB rating when trailing: 88.9
2008 QB rating when trailing by 1-8 points: 89.6
Most QBs would love to perform that well late in games and when trying to score the go-ahead points.
On the other hand...
Favre:
2009 4th quarter QB rating: 106.9
2009 QB rating when trailing: 81.8
2009 QB rating when trailing by 1-8 points: 65.7
2008 4th quarter QB rating: 75.0
2008 QB rating when trailing: 71.0
2008 QB rating when trailing by 1-8 points: 64.3
Contrast and compare.
Chickenshit,
What's the problem? I said they were favored and you just agreed after verifying on Wikipedia? You make no sense! Like most Viking rubes. I digress... I have more to do with my time than look up every Super Bowl the Vikings choked in, so I took the word of several friends who are Vikings. They made that comment when they were disgusted after losing to Philadelphia last year when they backed into the playoffs due to some major help in several games from the ref's, especially the Lions of all teams. Bears fans have plenty of reasons to feel robbed last year.
I'm sure this doesn't come to any surprise that a bunch of Vikings fans don't know every detail about their own team, right?
Adam-Chris Scheftersen,
Please don't go out and try to use stats with Vikings fans to prove a point. They won't have any of it! Ever! They would rather spout off like the Purple Kool Aid guzzlers (amongst other things) that they are and ignore those, especially if they go against their irrational exuberance.
The best part of this season is they have to embrace and go back on everything they said over the previous 16 years or so about how bad Brent sucked and how much of an overrated INT machine he is. You would think they would learn not to rip current Packer players given that they sign so many of their re-treads and offcasts. My Viking friend actually told me that he couldn't believe the Packers would let their Pro Bowl receiver-- Robert Ferguson go. LOL
Of course Favre will be back in 2010, but I don't think it will be for the Vikings.
Remember how much the Jets LOVED Favre this time last year. Minnesota fans are notoriously fairweather, if he starts losing, they'll start hating, and the meltdown is coming.
Beside that, there is a lot of talent at QB in this year's draft, and if Childress stays, McNabb is a strong possibility as well. I just don't see them betting it all on a 40+ two years in a row. They are the Vikings, but they're not THAT stupid.
ChickenShit
It would have been better if you would have just taken your beating from Jimmy Smith like a man. Your comebacks were so feeble and weak, it just makes you look more pathetic than normal.
Also, I never said anything about semen running down anyone's chin in any of my previous posts. You must be distracted and daydreaming again....
More on Favre.
Favre's QB rating through three games: 94.5
Favre's QB rating through three games last season: 98.6
Here's what we can expect later on this season..
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t111/jimicos/Football/BF_2008_QBR.jpg
paranoidandroid says:
September 30, 2009 3:39 PM
the guy just can't win. even if they go 16-0 the favre haters wouldn't give him any credit. y'all need to grow the f up. he checks down and he gets ripped, he throws deep and y'all call it a hail mary, 1 interception in 3 games and he's still catchin flak. are you f-in kiddin me? what are delhomme's numbers so far? how is kerry collins lookin? yeah no one wants to run their mouth about those two.
so what if he doesn't beat the ravens? then favre is the worst qb ever and they should go with jackson or rosenfels? give me a break.
i kind of expect the vikings to annhilate the packers only because the pack aren't as balanced as the vikings.
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SO TRUE
Wow, you have an article about Favre, if you can even call this an article!!
All these blogs just fill up from jealous, nervous people. Your team is going to lose to the Vikes, and its because of the help from the guy you whine about.
This is our year!!
What the hell is in your ass.
If you had any reading comprehension whatsover. you'd see I was speaking to your brother, gerbil in my ass.
By the way, I agreed that they were favored in 1 super bowl...thier 1st one.
It's typical of jagoffs like you to take the word of "friends". More likely, you just winged it and look ever more the fool.
What beating? You accuse us of picking on Karen and say it's a team game, correct? It was the defenses fault correct? So, now, you are going to come out with stats of rating this, rating that? That's supposed to be ok?
Heres the only one that matters. favre 42, Rodgers 1
The meltdown is coming...i just love that. you HOPE it is. I think it would be so funny if favre won minnesota a super bowl in 1 year, and that's all the Pack got out of him in 16.
So butt plugs, which arguement do you want to use, is it a team game, or is it all on the QB?
You can't have it both ways.
Gerbil in your ass. What bandwagon? I am a Viking fan, no matter who is on the team. I'm not going to stop being a fan because Favre is there.
Jimmy: you may as well do your talking now, IF the Packers lose, you'' ll " have to work sometimes, geesh"
Oh, yeah, what thehelldidiputinmyass:
Retreads like:
Sharper-2 time Pro Bowler with the Vikes/
Longwell- who actually can make a CLUTCH fg?
Ferguson was nothing more than a roster filler, injury fill in. Yeah, we sure took alot of retreads off your hands. Favre was a FA, we didn't get him directly from the Pack
Teddy Teabag and Mumbles Mccarthy were afraid of the very scenario they are now facing. Why? If Favre is so horrible, why do any of you care? I think it's hilarious that Favre bent over the GB fanbase and was heard to be saying, " It feels like a fisting kind of night!"
Too The 2-3 Packer fans that know thier shit on this site, I apologize, you guys know who you are.
I get so sick of these assclowns Like Jimmy and Gerbil......It's almost laughable..making fun of us for rooting for Favre when we " hated" him for so long. These are the guys now researching stats as to how horrible he was...yet during those 16 years, he was the best thing ever.
The hypocrisy amazes me and the lack of intelligence on thier part astounds me.
Gerbil, it's nighttime, do you have your wang tucked between your legs yet, with lipstick on?
Listening to Goodbye Horses?
Whatthehelldidyouputinyourass: You've proven your ignorance once and for all. You no longer are relevant.
Jimmy: I'll give a bit of credit, you finally researched! you lose points for your hypocrisy though. You are still a gigantic asshat..
Nobody has crystal balls and if any of us actually knew our shit we wouldn't be typing on here. This talking shit is so amazing!
Adam-Chris: The stats don't mean a thing if you don't win. Its very possible the Vikings could play in the Super Bowl or possibly the Colts, NY Giants. I think the Vikings will win over the Packers Monday night and the Packers will be kicking themselves for not taking Favre back. However, he is better where he is and he should stay with the Vikings. Every team wants to win and they are all playing hard to do it. There always will be mistakes made by players in MLB or football. No one is perfect. And if your team does not win so be it. Life goes on.
@JimmySpits
Well, since Chickenfoot only has a brother, that makes you gay, which most of us already knew because, you had your latent representation of how last Sunday went down for you (i.e. "Brad" [Jimmy] and "Brett's" [Dewey/Rex] "begging session".)
As for your absolutely STELLAR "timeline" of Favre's INTS, first, wow.... just goes to show you have NO life, which AGAIN all of us knew (b/c you're on Vikings pages bright and early every day to post gay comments and mention 4 Super Bowl losses that happened 30 years ago) and secondly, none of those years, the Packer's ever had a Defense like this Vikings team AND they NEVER had a running back like Adrian..... EVER.
AdamChris:
Want to see my 2008 Stats I found too?
OK Here Goes,
1) Frerotte-Jackson: 10-6
2) Brett Favre (with busted arm): 9-7
3) Karen Rodgers (with all those great 4th quarter ratings): 6-10
Mariann Pepitone says:
October 1, 2009 9:33 AM
Adam-Chris: The stats don't mean a thing if you don't win. Its very possible the Vikings could play in the Super Bowl or possibly the Colts, NY Giants. I think the Vikings will win over the Packers Monday night and the Packers will be kicking themselves for not taking Favre back. However, he is better where he is and he should stay with the Vikings. Every team wants to win and they are all playing hard to do it. There always will be mistakes made by players in MLB or football. No one is perfect. And if your team does not win so be it. Life goes on.
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Of course the stats mean something, even if you don't win. It means that all the blame doesn't go on the QB. If Aaron Rodgers were putting up JaMarcus Russell-like numbers and they were losing tight games it would be totally different than putting up 100+ QB ratings late in games. It means he's efficiently running the offense. If they can't defend and can't run the ball it's not his fault.
Go back and look at last season and the results from those tight games. For a lot of those games the defense was giving up an average of 10 points in the 4th quarter and OT. Can we blame Rodgers for that? Against Carolina the Packers scored to go ahead late and then watched the Panthers return the kickoff to midfield and then complete a long pass to Steve Smith inside the 5. Can I blame Rodgers for that? Open your eyes. He's got a 100+ QB rating late in games and when trailing this year. And last year his rating was in the high 80's for the same.
I also think the Vikings will beat the Packers Monday night. I'd be thrilled to be wrong. I can tell you one thing, though. Packers management WILL NOT be kicking themselves for not taking Favre back. They made the right decision in going with Rodgers. Favre waited until mid-July and then wanted his job back. But the position had been filled for 5 months already. If they screwed Rodgers over by taking the job away from him, he would've left the team at his first chance. And Favre would've played his will-I-or-won't-I routine again this past offseason, leaving the team in limbo. And the cycle would continue.
I'll gladly take 10 or more years from a promising young player over the last 1-2 years from an old player. Thompson primarily builds for the future and Rodgers' future is bright. The Vikings' future at QB is completely uncertain. They could well be in the hunt for Jeff Garcia or some other journeyman QB next offseason.
Purple Raid:
Karen? Come on. Show the man some respect. At age 25 he has achieved way more in life then you ever will. he has more money then you ever will. He does more charitable work then you. He is more important to society then you due to the charitable work. He is a better person then you period. Call him by his name or don't mention him at all.
Super:
But it's ok for these assclowns to call Farve:
Bert
Brent
Burnt Fart
Burp Fart
Favray
Faver
BFer
Get off you moral high horse.
It's a trash talking site!
It didn't use to be, but it is now.
I don't look to sports stars as my "heroes". I also don't respect anyone I don't know personally.
Look at all the people that respected Vick....he did all those things you claim Rodgers does, yet he did something despicable too.
Ray lewis, Rae carruth, OJ...the list goes on and on.
I'll respect thier talent, not the human being.
If Karen bothers you that much, I don't know what to tell you.
But by mentioning it in a post, you are sure to see an increase in him being called by that name.
It's the nature of the beast on here.
C'mon, little early for that kind of unwarranted speculation. I'm sure when the Vikes close shop for the year (before the Super Bowl, let's not kid ourselves), our man Bret will make a thorough and concrete decision. Firm. With no additional considerations. Yep, complete satisfaction to what he'll choose to do, no bones about it. No flip-flopping expected then, no sir.
Chicken
That wasnt directed at you.
I know it wasn't. Just the same.
You are going to nitpick about Karen? With all the other horseshit that is spewed on here?
That's funny.
PurpleRaid12 says:
October 1, 2009 10:43 AM
AdamChris:
Want to see my 2008 Stats I found too?
OK Here Goes,
1) Frerotte-Jackson: 10-6
2) Brett Favre (with busted arm): 9-7
3) Karen Rodgers (with all those great 4th quarter ratings): 6-10
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Once again a Vikings fan tries to draw a direct correlation between QB play and wins/losses. Yes, you're right. It's an individual sport. That's why Dan Marino won all those Super Bowls. Wait, what?
Take a look at the defenses, dumbass.
Vikings: 6th
Packers: 20th
You do realize both Favre and Rodgers play offense and not defense, right?
Chickenfoot says:
October 1, 2009 11:35 AM
Super:
But it's ok for these assclowns to call Farve:
Bert
Brent
Burnt Fart
Burp Fart
Favray
Faver
BFer
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1) You forgot Brettney.
2) You're still spelling his name wrong yourself. Will there come a day before his next annual retirement that you'll learn the correct spelling is F-A-V-R-E? As I said before, wear the jersey backwards if you need to see it.
3) Where do you think all those nicknames came from? Perhaps hearing you dim-witted nimrods repeat them year after year for a decade and a half?
Adam,
Im NOT saying its just the QBS..... your post was talking about how great Rodgers is in the 4th quarter, my point was, it DOESN'T make a difference how good his 4th quarter stats are versus Favre's because its a team sport, damn Packer fans are S-T-U-P-I-D.
Try again.
Leave it to you to get in a tizzy over spelling when the post was about mispronunciation of names. Idiot.
Again Shitterson:
Rodgers 1 win in 8 tries at comebacks.
Paint it any way you want, Rodgers can't finish games.
It isn't ALL on the defense. Favre sure finds a way to finish games doesn't he?
Bitter , jaded, wronged packer fans amuse me. I'm glad I get to see it here every day :)
touche Adam!
Favre hasnt finished games in years Chickenfoot! TheHydra has seen him blow more games then win. Youre Rodgers cant finish games crap is old and tired. Explain 4-12 in 2005 for GB. Why didnt Favre pull out those wins? 7 games they had a chance to win with less then 4 minutes to go. Not a one got dun hun. Asshat!
Got it done Sunday didn't he?
I actually don't care if he got it done for the Packers in o5......it's 09.
It's old and tired? it's the truth!
2game losing int's last year. 2 games where he couldn't get closer than a long Fg, that Bing Crosby shanked......That's off the top of my head.
05 must have been an off year then, he's done it 42 times in his career.
Actually Favre hasn't finished a game in days....
Asshat!
There was nothing about "finishing" that game. That game, like all of your points, was pulled right out of the proverbial cinnamon swirl.
Hydra3.0
80 yards in 89 seconds. no timeouts. 32yd TD
That's how you finish a game son.
The only thing coming out of a cinnamon swirl is your ' life partners penis, out of yours.
Does he wipe it on the sheets when he's done?
Or are you his "housekeeping crew".
PurpleRaid12 says:
October 1, 2009 2:20 PM
Adam,
Im NOT saying its just the QBS..... your post was talking about how great Rodgers is in the 4th quarter, my point was, it DOESN'T make a difference how good his 4th quarter stats are versus Favre's because its a team sport, damn Packer fans are S-T-U-P-I-D.
Try again.
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Riiiiiight. That's why you compared only the team's record in response to a discussion about QB performance. Your logic is astounding. I'll have to find a Vikings to English translator and return.
Chickenfoot says:
October 1, 2009 2:29 PM
Leave it to you to get in a tizzy over spelling when the post was about mispronunciation of names. Idiot.
Again Shitterson:
Rodgers 1 win in 8 tries at comebacks.
Paint it any way you want, Rodgers can't finish games.
It isn't ALL on the defense. Favre sure finds a way to finish games doesn't he?
Bitter , jaded, wronged packer fans amuse me. I'm glad I get to see it here every day :)
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You should try reading the words sometime. It might help. If you want a QB who puts up a 4th quarter QB rating roughly half as good as another guy then you deserve him.
Let's try this one more time. QB rating measures passing efficiency. I'll take the guy who completes a higher percentage of his passes for more yards, more TDs and fewer INTs when the chips are down. You've opted to support the other guy. Good luck with that. Luckily for you, your RB is very good (when healthy and hanging onto the ball) and your run defense is as well.
Chickenfoot says:
October 1, 2009 4:49 PM
Hydra3.0
80 yards in 89 seconds. no timeouts. 32yd TD
That's how you finish a game son.
The only thing coming out of a cinnamon swirl is your ' life partners penis, out of yours.
Does he wipe it on the sheets when he's done?
Or are you his "housekeeping crew".
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Yes, that is how you finish a game. It was a clinic, actually. And it was efficient. Wanna guess what his QB rating was on that last drive? It was 118.75. Unless spiked balls don't count officially as incompletions. If that's the case, the rating is 145.83. Now do you see why passing efficiency is good?
Adam:
Agreed, I see the point of your stats, but I'll still take the guy who has got it done 42 times, over the guy who has yet to prove that he can do it consistently. Stats be damned.
Just a difference of opinion.
LOL...."finishing a game" Mighty ridiculous.
What's ridiculous is your comments lately.
Ok Adam, again let's break down what you said
You were comparing Favre's passer rating in the 08/4th quarter to Rodger's 08/4th quarter..... right? as if that makes the difference. right? right. SO, my point was that regardless of how "efficient" Rodger's stats were to Favre's or Frerotte's or Jackson's that doesn't always mean anything, because every SINGLE time a QB performs bad, all the Pecker fans say its a team sport, and it is. SO, again, when you talk about how "great" Rodger's was as opposed to anyone else, I was pointing out in typical "Adamisacompleteasswipe" fashion, that it is a TEAM SPORT...... that's why I mentioned TEAM RECORD in QB performance.... you think you got it now?
Which ones?
@ Chicken - First, not ALL Packer fans are 'Bitter , jaded, wronged packer fans amuse me. I'm glad I get to see it here every day :)'. Nothing makes me happier then seeing Favre play on Sunday. Do I wish that he were still a Packer? Hell yes, but TT and Mike McCarthy saw to it that he went elsewhere. Now most of the Packer fans can't stand it that he didn't stay retired and ended up in MN. The Jets were just the launchpad to get him to an NFC team. Should the coach have let the rest of the NFL know that he was playing hurt the last half of the season? Yes, but that isn't Favre's fault. He has a desire and will to play the game and some of the Packer fans can't see that and I'm not sure why. I'm not going to stop loving watching him on the field, just because he happens to be in a different uniform. I don't know what goes on in his head and I don't think that not being able to get that adrenaline rush mowing the lawn in Kiln, MS diminishes the fact that he will one day be in the HOF. So to those who are 'bitter , jaded, wronged': if that's the worst thing you have to worry about in your life, you're very lucky.
*BTW, Chicken, I know this isn't a spelling site, but their is spelled t-h-e-i-r not t-h-i-e-r. =) I'm anal about spelling, sorry.*
PurpleRaid12 says:
October 2, 2009 10:39 AM
Ok Adam, again let's break down what you said
You were comparing Favre's passer rating in the 08/4th quarter to Rodger's 08/4th quarter..... right? as if that makes the difference. right? right. SO, my point was that regardless of how "efficient" Rodger's stats were to Favre's or Frerotte's or Jackson's that doesn't always mean anything, because every SINGLE time a QB performs bad, all the Pecker fans say its a team sport, and it is. SO, again, when you talk about how "great" Rodger's was as opposed to anyone else, I was pointing out in typical "Adamisacompleteasswipe" fashion, that it is a TEAM SPORT...... that's why I mentioned TEAM RECORD in QB performance.... you think you got it now?
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So your point is what? That you should be able to bring up win/loss record when it suits your argument? I guess we'll agree to disagree on that.
My point: The only way you can legitimately compare Favre and Rodgers is by comparing their performance with nearly identical teams. 2007 Favre vs 2008 Rodgers. And their performances were very comparable.
Toss in the win/loss record and you're throwing in a whole different dynamic. Rodgers didn't have the benefit of a healthy Cullen Jenkins, Atari Bigby or Nick Barnett for much of the season. And the points given up by the defense reflects it.
Anyway, if you insist on comparing the win/loss record between Favre and Rodgers, then I contend that you need to compare 2008 Rodgers to 2005 Favre. That's the last time the defense sucked as hard as it did last season.
I'm not arguing that you can easily compare win/loss records of two different QBs. I'm the guy saying it's a team effort. YOU'RE the one trying to do that. But if you insist on doing that, at least try to compare apples to apples. The 2008 defense gave up 100 more points than the 2007 defense. To ignore that detail is asinine.
you can shove that passer rating up your tailpipe cause in the end its all about wins and losses.
incidently who would you rather have in a super bowl, brady or favre?
brady's highest passer rating in a super bowl was 99.88 and favre's was 97.61
not that much difference.
oh here's another just for fun?
who would you rather have in a super bowl, peyton manning or trent dilfer?
peyton's highest passer rating in a super bowl was 81.80 and dilfer's was 80.92
don't get hung up on the passer rating crap.
paranoidandroid says:
October 6, 2009 1:57 PM
you can shove that passer rating up your tailpipe cause in the end its all about wins and losses.
incidently who would you rather have in a super bowl, brady or favre?
brady's highest passer rating in a super bowl was 99.88 and favre's was 97.61
not that much difference.
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I would want the better TEAM with the better COACH. Therefore, it all depends on the entire team. I'd probably take the '96 Packers over any of the Brady-led Pats teams. #1 offense and #1 defense.
Again, it's a team sport. No one player wins or loses games. However, only one player throws passes at a time for each team. Can we agree on that? Can we agree that I can't blame Nick Barnett for Aaron Rodgers' INT the other night? I can't pin that on the team. That falls back to Rodgers.
However, overall Rodgers played very well and you cannot blame him for the loss.
Anyway, you have yet to acknowledge the fact that Favre had much better support in 2007 than Rodgers did in 2008. So I guess that means it's validated if you won't come back to it.
I could play this the other way, too. If wins and losses are all that matter, then Dilfer must've been the best QB in 2000. Right? In reality I wouldn't put him in the top 10. In 2000 Trent Dilfer won 12 games and Favre only won 9.
Dilfer's responsible for all those wins, right? It's an individual game in your book, right?
What about Favre in 2005? Using your logic, Brad Johnson was twice as good as Favre in 2005, right? 4 wins to 9 wins. It's all on Favre and Johnson. I'm not even sure there's any other people on the field when there's a QB out there. It's all on him. Kyle Orton won 10 games that season. Was he 2.5 times better than Favre?
QB rating is not the end-all-be-all measurement of a QB's worth, and I'm not trying to convince anyone it is. But it's a very good way to measure passing effectiveness. Wins and losses are not in the equation.