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A few details on the Crabtree tampering case

Adam Schefter’s report from earlier in the day regarding the fact that the 49ers and unsigned rookie wideout Michael Crabtree have still had no communication in, as we recently reported, more than two weeks reminded us of something we recently heard regarding the tampering charges that the 49ers filed against the Jets.

An investigation will be conducted, and the league will appoint two security managers from other teams to handle it.

The procedure for determining the teams whose security personnel will investigate the claims isn’t known.  We assume that the selection will avoid an actual or apparent conflict of interest.  For example, the history of acrimony between the Jets and the Patriots, including tampering charges made in 2006 by the Pats against the Jets and the Spygate brouhaha, suggests that the Patriots’ head of security won’t be one of the two selected officials.

Once the determinations are made, it will be up to the designees to shape the investigation. 

And perhaps the most important decision to the outcome of the investigation will be whether Deion Sanders will be interviewed and, if he declines, whether his refusal to cooperate will affect his employment with NFL Network.

Sanders was represented during his playing career by Eugene Parker, who represents Crabtree.  And Sanders popped off on NFLN about the existence of two teams that would pay Crabtree $40 million.

The questioning of Sanders also should, in our view, include a broader examination of any current business relationships between Sanders and Parker.  In this regard, possible questions include whether Sanders has a role in recruiting clients for Parker and, if so, whether Sanders is compensated via a piece of Parker’s fee.

Though not technically relevant to the tampering case, the NFL should be separately concerned about its analysts having such arrangements on the side, and in this case Deion has blown enough smoke to justify an effort to determine whether there’s any fire.

We don’t know one way or the other whether there is.  But we think that the question should at least be asked.   

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35 Responses to “A few details on the Crabtree tampering case”
  1. Bob Nelson says: Oct 1, 2009 2:36 PM

    Just fire that racist Sanders.
    Nobody wants to listen to him.

  2. SgtSigma says: Oct 1, 2009 2:40 PM

    Who cares
    Not saying this story is “not news”…but let’s face it, this guys career is over. He screwed it up and no one will take him next year in the first four rounds.

  3. jamaicamecrazy says: Oct 1, 2009 2:42 PM

    If a team tampers with a player the penalty should be severe.
    Mike why don’t you take a poll with the following question:
    Who is the bigger fool?
    Michael Crabtree for turning down millions of dollars?
    OR
    The Oakland Raiders for spending all of that money to sign JaMarcus Russell?

  4. Mr Awesome says: Oct 1, 2009 2:43 PM

    Completely agree with you Florio.

  5. darrius_heyward-bey-butterfingers says: Oct 1, 2009 2:48 PM

    I read that PFT may be getting a new home, soon to be profootballtalk.comcast.com

  6. Babbabooey says: Oct 1, 2009 2:52 PM

    Florio’s day is right on track and he is halfway complete for the day.
    Worthless stories about Crabtree and Vick are done, all that is left is T.O. and Pharve

  7. ItalianArmyGuy says: Oct 1, 2009 2:53 PM

    You know what the league should really investigate? How many teams that drafted behind the 49ers were willing to pay Crabtree a reasonable salary for his #1 talent. Also, they should find out if the 49ers bothered to discuss potential contract terms with Parker before the draft.
    Almost every professional team does due diligence prior to tying a guy up with their first pick. If they had no interest in signing him, then you have to wonder why they drafted him? Did they want to keep him out of the hands of a conference rival like the Redskins, or especially the Saints, who picked behind the 49ers? And, wouldn’t that amount to tampering?
    The guy was the consensus #1 WR coming into the draft, he snagged over 3,000 receiving yards in 2 years of college and 41 TD’s, he won every award and honor conceivable – all against the teams from one of the top conferences in football. Hey 49ers – I got some bad news for you – in today’s game, you got to pay for talent.

  8. DcNinerFan says: Oct 1, 2009 3:02 PM

    Deon should agree to a polygraph.

  9. stopwest says: Oct 1, 2009 3:06 PM

    your post smacks of someone who knows he’s being read across the league. . .
    while I’m happy for you (I’ve followed PFT for a long time) I can’t help but feel conflicted, I sort of miss the Florio of days old—before you spoke (albeit via implied speech) directly to NFL management and players. . .

  10. MoPackerFan says: Oct 1, 2009 3:10 PM

    @ItalianArmyGuy
    I think only the #1 pick is allowed to enter contract negotiations with rookies prior to the draft. There wouldn’t of been a way for the 49ers to determine Crabtree’s contract demands.
    I think someone or some team convinced him early on in the process that the 49ers would be a bad fit for him, thus destroying any type of good faith negotiations between him and the team.
    With that said, I feel sorry for the 49er fans, but the 49ers need to stick firm to this slotted deal. If they break the slot, then who knows how many players will use Crabtree’s tactic in the future until a true rookie pay scale is put in.

  11. Hap says: Oct 1, 2009 3:11 PM

    What are they gonna do, find Neon Deion guilty of tampering ? Here comes the slap on the wrist.
    And IA-dude, you really think the 49ers conference rivals are The RedSkins or the Saints, for that matter ? You aint makin sense, Chief. Perhaps you should look at the history of the draft. Higher picks get the bigger money. He fell to where he fell to.

  12. Dirk says: Oct 1, 2009 3:11 PM

    > Also, they should find out if the 49ers bothered to discuss potential contract terms with Parker before the draft.
    Is there any hint that the 49ers broke the rules in this way? Or are you making this up?
    Discussing contract terms prior to the draft is against the rules. Unless you own the first overall pick. Which the 49ers did not.

  13. Babbabooey says: Oct 1, 2009 3:14 PM

    @ Italian Army Girl
    The Niners have plenty of interest of signing him, that’s why they are offering basically the same amount as the number 9 pick. No one cares what his inflated spread system college stats are. If they think Crabtree is a god like you do, he would have been drafted much earlier. When it comes down to it, HE WAS DRAFTED 10TH. “REASONABLE” salary is salary between the 9th and 11th pick last time I remember.
    And about discussing potential contract terms before the draft—so basically you’re saying that teams should pass up on people just because they didn’t have a chance to talk about contract terms before selecting them? WTF?

  14. ncm42 says: Oct 1, 2009 3:26 PM

    Does anyone else kind of miss the old hamsters? I typed what can only be described as an EPIC comment to the 49ers/Crabass quagmire. My comment was funny, moving, thought-provoking, you name it. It really did have it all. I sat back, secure in the knowledge that I had finally written my masterpiece. I hit “submit,” and was sent back to the registration page. Again. Where I logged in my NEW ID, because during the first migration, it would not allow me to use my old ID, despite having the required number of comments….

  15. Pockets Straight says: Oct 1, 2009 3:28 PM

    “will be whether Deion Sanders will be interviewed”
    Here’s the problem. The NFL will be shooting itself in the foot by forcing Deion to talk. The NFLN will loose all credibility as a news source (and it’s beginning to be one of the best) by making their analyst puppets for the league.
    The NFLN analyst and reporters should be held to the same standard as the Fox Sports, NBC Sports, ESPN, etc. They must be able to protect their sources, or they will loose credibility and no one will give them sources.
    The NFL cannot force Sanders to talk or give up his source without ruining a legitimate news source they spent so much money to build.

  16. GSniner says: Oct 1, 2009 3:35 PM

    WHO CARES????
    Craptree is a scared, parker an idiot, Deon well is the dumbass Deon (he only had cover skillz & never wanted to hit any one)
    Crabtree if you had any heart you would have been on the field already? regardless of the team and the money…… if football doesn’t work you can fall back on you Texas tech degree… oh wait you didn’t graduate….. Did you even have a major…. or jus Major Idiot?

  17. rockotica says: Oct 1, 2009 3:37 PM

    fire deion but not bc of this $hit. do it bc he is awful at what he does.

  18. NinerNation says: Oct 1, 2009 3:41 PM

    ItalianArmyGuy– You know so little about football it’s scary.
    1) The draft slotting system is what it is, you DO NOT break the system for some punk because he feels he’s worth it. Crabtree was passed over by nine teams, obviously, his value is not what he thought it was. Crabtree should have signed for #10 money in time for training camp because he WAS #10!
    2) No, the Niners are not allowed to negotiate anything contract related UNTIL is it their turn. So, yeah, they had like 10 minutes that they could have asked him what his demands are, and I’m sure he would have told them that if they didnt’ break the slot for him, he’d hold out the season(eye roll).
    “If they had no interest in signing him, then you have to wonder why they drafted him? Did they want to keep him out of the hands of a conference rival like the Redskins, or especially the Saints, who picked behind the 49ers? And, wouldn’t that amount to tampering?”
    3) Are you retarded? You’re accusing the Niners of tampering for drafting a player that fell to them at their draft position? Are you retarded? My God, that was the stupidest thing I have ever read, please, for now and forever, shut up.
    The only rivals the Niners have are their division rivals, to suggest that the Redskins or the Saints are their rivals shows your complete lack of NFL knowledge, and requires me to ask one more time…are you retarded?
    4) Of course they have an interest in signing him you freaking idiot. They just don’t want to pay him #6 money when he was drafted 10th. Lets take a look at the facts shall we?
    -Crabtree came from a system that greatly inflates stats.
    -Crabtree was two inches shorter than he was listed at during his college career.
    -Crabtree had surgery on his foot prior to the draft, which prevented him from running a 40 time(allowing many people to conclude that he does indeed lack elite speed)
    -Crabtree was unable to participate in OTA’s and minicamps.
    Try taking these things into account, and then tell me why the Niners should overpay for a rookie that has not proven a damn thing in the NFL. The Niners had the 10th pick, they should pay #10 money. If Crabtree doesn’t like it, he can hold out and lose money next year.

  19. Resolution says: Oct 1, 2009 3:43 PM

    Florio,
    Pro FootBall Talk is about professional football players, not diva craybaby a$$wipe WR’s who refuse to sign for a team.
    Crytree is unsigned which means means he is not a pro, therefore he is not worthy of being discussed here. Please stop writing about this fool.

  20. Harm City Homer says: Oct 1, 2009 3:51 PM

    I do not know all the rules but how hard could it be for a team to let him know they want him before or after the draft?
    There is no slotting system, and there are no really good young WRs on the free agent market, ever. He should be paid what he is worth not where he was drafted. That is not what the rules are, or there would be no need for a rookie to even have an agent. Sanchez would have got less, not more than the guys ahead of him, DHB would have got less than Andre Smith, but they did not, because the team and the agent were able to make a deal, not try to prove a point or take a stand for an unofficial system.
    There has to be an offer he would accept right now, and there also has to be at least a decent deal out there waiting after the season is over, and even if there is no team waiting to trade for his rights, there is the draft and a new team to try to make a deal with. Maybe it is less years, maybe it is better incentives, whatever, it is not like any of us could know exactly what either side is really thinking.

  21. Hosstyle In Tampa says: Oct 1, 2009 4:04 PM

    ItalianArmyGuy,
    It’s comments, like yours, that make educated people, like me, laugh at this website. The team picking tenth doesn’t discuss contracts prior to the draft…
    …and anyone who watches college football, with a brain, knows that the Big 12 has no Defense, it’s basically arena ball. (see last play of the game TTech vs. UT ’08, courtesy of Crabtree)

  22. manohman says: Oct 1, 2009 4:06 PM

    To ItalianArmyChick:
    The 49ers didn’t realize Crabflea would fall to #10 in order to negotiate, not that they could negotiate a contract or that Parker WOULD negotiate one.
    They had like what moments to realize they could get him?
    Give us a break.

  23. NinerNation says: Oct 1, 2009 4:14 PM

    Harm City Homer = Eugene Parker
    Well, if a team not named the 49ers told Crabtree after the draft that they wanted him…it’s tampering. If they told him before the draft and have had no communication since then…he’d be an idiot for holding out based upon a wide variety of factors that have come into play since then.
    Andre Smith caved because he needed the money, and the way the contract was arranged, he can make more money than DHB. The problem with the Bengals is that they are a cheap team that offered him, for quite some time, less money than the #6 player from the PREVIOUS year received…which is completely ridiculous.
    At this point, the offer from the Niners is considerably more than fair when you take into account the fact that they have not reduced their offer, and Crabtree has missed the first three weeks of the season. If he had any brains, he’d fire his agent and sign the deal…thus avoiding the 3% fee he’d have to pay Parker.
    Crabtree is not the greatest receiver of all time, and to assume that he will become one of the greatest if far-fetched at best. If he was smart, he’d take the money, thank the Niners, and apologize to the fans and say it was all a misunderstanding…even though it’s BS, most fans wouldn’t care because they just want it resolved.
    Personally, I hope he goes back into the draft, and falls out of the first round. He’d hold out until the NEXT year’s draft because he’d still believe he’s worth more money, and end up just like that idiot baseball player. To Hell with Crabtree, I hope he loses a leg or something.

  24. Dirk says: Oct 1, 2009 4:25 PM

    Harm City Homer wrote: “He should be paid what he is worth not where he was drafted.”
    With all those 1st round busts, paying 1st round picks what they are worth means paying them less than they are getting now.
    The slotting system increases salaries for 1st round picks.

  25. jl says: Oct 1, 2009 4:28 PM

    Any reason to fire Deion is legitimate.
    1. He should be fired just because he sucks.
    2. If he works for the NFL and in anyway advised Crabtree, the 49ers should insist he be fired.
    3. If he didn’t, see Number 1.

  26. Shofner85 says: Oct 1, 2009 4:33 PM

    A Question for Florio:
    I have read that if Crabtree re-enters the 2010 draft, and doesn’t sign with whoever drafts him the second go around, he will then become a free agent as of the 2011 draft time frame.
    Any team that drafts him #10 or below in 2010 will not be allocated enough rookie pool dollars to give him the $40MM he’s seeking, even if they’d like to, so if he doesn’t go Top 5 (and I think it likely he won’t), he could really drop like a stone as no other team would waste a good pick on him, since he is one year closer to being a full blown FA and would sit out again.
    What if … a team like Dallas uses a low round pick on him (say a #5 thru #7), and then gives up their rights to sign him in the summer of 2010. Would Crabtree then be a FA for the 2010 season, or still have to wait until 2011 ? Could Dallas (who would have effectively “set him free”) then sign him as a regular FA for the 2010 season and not be constrained by the rookie pool allocation, and give him his $40MM ??
    If the answer to the above is yes, that may be the end game strategy for Crabtree/Parker/Dallas (or other tampering team).

  27. StillMadAtSlobber says: Oct 1, 2009 4:38 PM

    # Pockets Straight says: October 1, 2009 3:28 PM
    “will be whether Deion Sanders will be interviewed”
    Here’s the problem. The NFL will be shooting itself in the foot by forcing Deion to talk. The NFLN will loose all credibility as a news source (and it’s beginning to be one of the best) by making their analyst puppets for the league.
    The NFLN analyst and reporters should be held to the same standard as the Fox Sports, NBC Sports, ESPN, etc. They must be able to protect their sources, or they will loose credibility and no one will give them sources.
    The NFL cannot force Sanders to talk or give up his source without ruining a legitimate news source they spent so much money to build.
    _______________________________
    This is comedic gold. But that is usually the result when a retard builds up a head of steam.
    1) The NFL can determine whatever they need to and from Deion and it has zero to do with making Deion a puppet.
    2) To say that ESPN has standards is laughable. They have none, except blow the superstars and hype the living crap out of potential superstars.

  28. hayward giablommi says: Oct 1, 2009 4:49 PM

    @ ncm42
    With this ridiculous new format, ALWAYS copy your post before you hit submit. Otherwise, you may just be wasting your time.

  29. PimP JuicE MaN says: Oct 1, 2009 4:58 PM

    I have a question, exactly what branch of the justice system does the NFL Operate under, the reason I ask is some of you 1-800- LAWYERS
    and Florio are under the illusion that
    Neon Deion Sanders is REQUIRED TO ANSWER QUESTIONS BECAUSE HE IS EMPLOYED BY THE NFL NETWORK IS RIDICULOUS. Also, it now seems that the NFL IS IN THE INVESTIGATION BUSINESS AND NOT SPORTS, How long did they spend on the Jets
    investigation not reporting Farves injury.

  30. Honker123 says: Oct 1, 2009 5:53 PM

    Screw Crabtree. The 49ers should allow him to find the deal that he wants, sign him to that deal and trade him to the team that wants him for numerical value of a 10th round draft choice. It is obvious that the only reason that he isn’t signed is because someone has a “backroom” deal waiting for him.

  31. VoxVeritas says: Oct 1, 2009 6:06 PM

    Guys, guys… he just doesn’t want to play for the 49ers for any amount of money. That’s why he set unreasonable demands. He knows they won’t be met. Can you blame him for not wanting to be there? Not only is northern California a football wasteland, it’s a far left liberal paradise and taxation hell and it ain’t gonna get any better any time soon. The 49ers play in a dump and that ain’t gonna change any time soon, either.

  32. ncm42 says: Oct 1, 2009 6:12 PM

    Thanks hayward…believe it or not, I never even thought of the copy and paste backup. I will be using it from here on out though. That happens to me a couple of times a day on here, it seems. You make another good point too…I already waste plenty of time on this site, at least according to my boss…

  33. Backinthesaddle says: Oct 1, 2009 7:39 PM

    Deion likes to come off as a man-in-the-know. At the same time he becomes very impressed with himself.

  34. shrecords36 says: Oct 1, 2009 9:04 PM

    VoxVeritas
    you are a nut job.
    btw, the 49ers are one of the most historic teams in the nfl, the greatest receiver of all time played there, it would be a great experience, for mr. greedy to start his career,
    and jed york has already gotten permission to get ready for a new satdium in santa clara,

  35. texasPHINSfan says: Oct 2, 2009 11:57 AM

    ncm42 – i am not a fan of the new format too. I love how i have to log in almost every day, even after i click “remember me” when i log in. why does NBC hate cookies?
    mmmmm….. cookies.

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