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Jim Brown says, "Mr. Crabtree, get your butt in camp"

Hall of Fame running back James Brown has sounded off regarding 49ers receiver Michael Crabtree, who remains unsigned as of October 1.

“Mr. Crabtree, get your butt in camp,” Brown said in an interview on Sirius XM radio (via the San Jose Mercury News).

“You’re going to lose a year of playing football to try to get more
money than you can get this year, which you’ll never make up?  And you
don’t realize that your legacy will be based upon how you perform, not
how much money you made?”

Brown is right. 

But Brown also should be careful when talking about players who are the property of other teams.  Brown, after all, is a member of management with the Cleveland Browns.

In this specific case, however, the 49ers likely won’t complain.

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89 Responses to “Jim Brown says, "Mr. Crabtree, get your butt in camp"”
  1. Slow Joe says: Oct 1, 2009 8:39 PM

    Who the hell keeps giving Jim Brown a microphone? Hey, can we ask Y.A. Tittle, Pop Warner, and Alex Karras what they thing about the Crabtree situation too?

  2. SmackMyVickUp says: Oct 1, 2009 8:42 PM

    No clue what this kid is thinking. Even Jim Brown is smart enough to see what he is doing is stupid!

  3. leatherneck says: Oct 1, 2009 8:51 PM

    Jim Brown is the man. He always was and always will be.

  4. Old Manny of the Mountains says: Oct 1, 2009 8:57 PM

    well, he’s listening to Jim Brown. He’s going to get his butt in camp… and since camp is over for this year, he’ll be in camp next year. Both the author and the subject are stupid.

  5. JMClarkent says: Oct 1, 2009 9:00 PM

    I want to know what Emmitt thinks!

  6. Contra says: Oct 1, 2009 9:01 PM

    Hey Jim, lets see if he is in camp by the end of the week just cause you said so. If he isnt, shut up! Different game, different politics, with different kind of money than the game you were in. I dont support what Crabtree is doing but quit sounding off whenever you think people want to hear what you have to say!

  7. VoxVeritas says: Oct 1, 2009 9:01 PM

    Jim Brown don’t you know that your legacy is the number of women that you’ve beaten up, raped, and otherwise violated, and not how you performed? And take off that stupid beanie you irrelevant old turd.

  8. duhgrate1 says: Oct 1, 2009 9:04 PM

    James Brown was a Hall of Fame running back too?… man oh man the “King of Soul” was pretty darn amazing..

  9. bearsrule says: Oct 1, 2009 9:09 PM

    Big Jim needs to get his butt in Cleveland’s camp. He’d probably be an immediate starter.

  10. Pierrepoint says: Oct 1, 2009 9:17 PM

    I am constantly amazed by the amount of people who believe Michael Crabtree should sign for what the 49ers are offering him.
    Why should he? He believes he is worth more money than what the 49ers are offering. This is a business, and Crabtree is entitled to the maximum compensation that he can get.
    Sounds pretty obvious that one or more teams are interested in signing him for more than the 49ers are offering.
    Think about it, if someone else offered you a job at twice the rate that you are making now, is anyone going to tell me that they would not seriously look at the offer?
    The 49ers simply have to sit down and decide if Crabtree is worth the money he is asking. If not, then let him go back into the draft and try his luck next year.
    If they really want him, I think it’s pretty obvious that the 49ers are going to have to make a larger offer.
    This idea that Crabtree somehow has to sign for what his draft slot indicated is ridiculous. It is a great system for the teams, as they have most of the population convinced that once the #1 pick is signed, everyone is supposed to line up like good little boys and take what is offered.
    To most the world, it seems like Crabtree is being greedy, but this is capitalism, and he is entitled to shop his skills to the highest bidder. Top receivers in the NFL make $10 million per year, and the 49ers believe they should be able to lock Crabtree up for $4 million a year.
    The 49ers should have done their homework before drafting him, as that could have saved them possibly wasting their #1 pick.

  11. shrecords36 says: Oct 1, 2009 9:18 PM

    haha,
    as a niner fan myself, when i watch’d the draft i was so excited when crabtree feel to the niners
    but now i see what kind of typical money hungry diva that he actually is, and with realizing that the niners are gonna be a run first offense, i dont think crabtree even has the motovation to follow samurai mike’s constant ass reaming type of coach and the hell hill, if he signs with them ill be glad
    but as of now, i say take hime back, and i wish they would have traded their 1st rounder 4 another next years 1st round and possibly a second
    and pro level football is a team sport, not like most colleges and all of highschool football teams.
    and say what you want about the niners
    i know im a real fan, not one of those bandwagon jumpers who changes teams
    if u change ur team once in ur life ur one of them.
    go niners

  12. trikee says: Oct 1, 2009 9:24 PM

    Too bad camp was over 4 weeks ago…

  13. VoxVeritas says: Oct 1, 2009 9:28 PM

    “and pro level football is a team sport, not like most colleges and all of highschool football teams.”
    What?

  14. shrecords36 says: Oct 1, 2009 9:28 PM

    ur telling me that the good receivers in the nfl(ALREADY PROVEN THEY CAN PLAY IN THE PRO’S) get 10 mila year
    and some guy that hasnt prove himself it all at the pro level, is laughing at the possibility of almost getting half what they make a year. thinking he deserves more.
    idiot idiot idiot.
    in REAL life before you make the big bucks you have to prove yourself and college is iirevelant.

  15. shrecords36 says: Oct 1, 2009 9:33 PM

    vox ur an idiot get a good education.
    one player can change the game in high school and most college football games
    in the pro’s it takes a lil more then just one cocky guy that caught balls over guys that are going to be working in offices selling shit the next couple of years

  16. Salbonjr says: Oct 1, 2009 9:34 PM

    Crabtree REALLY needs to fire Eugene Parker.

  17. coaltrain says: Oct 1, 2009 9:35 PM

    Exactly what i was thinking Vox.
    What????

  18. TopgunGm says: Oct 1, 2009 9:42 PM

    I get that Crabtree is being a Diva or whatever you want to call but why the hell are we blaming him for wanting to make more money.
    I am a niner fan through and through and I would love to have this guy in uniform but its never going to happen.
    He is seeking more money because he feels his value is higher than the spot he was selected. QB’s who get drafted in the top 10 generally get more money than the guys selected before them but the best player in this draft doesnt have a right to request more money? It doesnt make sense to me?
    Yes Qb’s are some what more prevelant to certain teams but dont tell me a QB can get more money and a top level WR cant. Just look at all the QB’s who received more than their slotted picks in recent years!(Do your own research but I’ll give you a few names: V.Young, Cutler, Lienart,Sanchez)
    His contract demands are similiar to what Larry Fitzgerald received when he signed his extension 4 or 5 years and $40 million. Lets say Crabtree lives up to the hype and he is as good or better than Fitz, wouldn’t it make sense to have paid this guy?
    This is more about the Draft system than it is about Crabtree. Dont blame Crabtree for wanting to make more money because I guarantee if any of you had his talent and felt you were the best player in the draft you would want more money! I know I would!
    Change the Draft system to a more structured system such as the NBA and this will never be an issue again.
    But for now I hope the Jets get whats coming because if they did tamper with someone else’s draft pick they should be punished severely!

  19. Mavpa says: Oct 1, 2009 9:47 PM

    >”and pro level football is a team sport, not like most colleges and all of highschool football teams.”
    >What?
    Kind of worded badly, but I think what he’s getting at is that pretty much every player in the NFL was good enough at the high school level to change games by themselves… and even some guys at college are that way every once in awhile… but you almost never see anyone in the NFL who can have that kind of effect… or else Barry Sanders would have a few rings.

  20. JRLC says: Oct 1, 2009 9:49 PM

    someone needs to tell Jim Brown camp has been over & its 4 in the NFL season but he’s right,
    Crabtree hasn’t proved anything to deserve that kind of money. he dont have great speed or size & i can assure you he’s not the next Jerry Rice.
    he better take whatever money he can get bcuz for all we know he’s just another Freddie Mitchell.
    if he goes into the draft he will have missed a year from football & fall in the draft past the 10th spot. i think he got caught in a bluff & the people around him are filling his head full of crap, he cant be crazy enough to think it will be better next year. i cant see his agent not wanting to get a deal done asap, he dont get paid anything until a deals done.
    thats what happens when these kids get a free pass in high school & college just bcuz they can play football, its not amazing at all. he’s clearly to ignorant to understand whats about to happen to his career & the money he’s going to lose. what a waste lol…go hard Crabtree i catch you in UFL!

  21. TSE says: Oct 1, 2009 9:52 PM

    I wish we could know what Ethan Albright thinks.
    I actually have a theory that Crabtree can make more money by continuing to stick to his guns by looking at it more analytically than most people who quickly dismiss the possibility. Just because the simple short answer seems to point to playing now and not losing that extra year, doesn’t mean that it is the right answer in this particular case. You have to look at all of the angles to decode the solution.
    I support Crabtree and Parker and I think they will prove their strategy makes sense in the long-run and I’m on board with the holdout because I do see the extra money the same way they do. PFT should so an article from THIS perspective so that everybody isn’t in the dark. Why is it that everybody keeps wanting to flood the internet with commentary for the same position, which coincidentally is the wrong position from a strategy perspective?

  22. ItalianArmyGuy says: Oct 1, 2009 9:53 PM

    Contrary to popular belief, Jim Brown was no clutch performer. While he was slightly better than Randy Moss, winning 1 championship in 3 tries, he rarely had a decent stat-line in his 4 career playoff games. He ran for 8 yards in a 1958 playoff loss, 50 yards in a 1965 championship game loss, 69 yards in a 1957 championship game loss, and 114 in his lone championship game victory in 1964. He scored a grand total of 1 TD in the 4 games, never averaging better than 4.2 yards per carry – average by the standards from any era.
    During his career, he fumbled the ball 57 times, averaging over 8 per season. As a point of comparison, Jerome Bettis had over 1,100 more rushing attempts than Brown in his career, but 16 fewer fumbles.
    Since that time, Brown has frequently played the part of “bitter man”, insulting the competence of much better clutch performers, when he wasn’t dropping his tighty-whiteys for Playgirl magazine.

  23. Krow says: Oct 1, 2009 9:54 PM

    How the f’k did a woman abusing scumbag like Jim Brown become respectable? What’s next… will OJ weigh in on Crabtree? Maybe Charlie Manson?

  24. FumbleNuts says: Oct 1, 2009 9:58 PM

    That CrabTurd will either be traded in March 2010 or will go back to the draft.

  25. scrapdawg12 says: Oct 1, 2009 10:00 PM

    More people like Brown should chime in and give their opinions on CrabTree. Maybe someone should show up at his house, grab him by his ear, beat his ass with a paddle and take him to the closest Airport on a one way destination to San Francisco. When he arrives, Singletary once again grabs him by his ear and drags him to the 49ers training facility where his pants are pulled down and the guys take turns with a plastic bat and make Crabtree the human Pinata. Thats about the only way that boy will earn respect in that locker room

  26. Annuvin says: Oct 1, 2009 10:01 PM

    He believes he is worth more money than what the 49ers are offering.
    *********************
    Well someone should explain to the douchebag that no one will ever know his real value until he actually plays a pro-level game. Until then, he is just another crybaby diva that will likely fall to irrelevence thanks to his greedy agent. If he was half as good as he thinks he is, he would have went in the first three rounds. End of story.

  27. smilergrogan says: Oct 1, 2009 10:03 PM

    To those denigrating Jim Brown; you must have never seen him play. He was far and away the best player of his day. And in this case, he is exactly right.
    Pierre: what you deem Crabtree’s astute business move will cost him significant cash. He can’t go back to the combine, and can’t work out for anyone until the next draft. when he gets drafted next year, in a lower position, having let the first year’s pay disappear, he will be viewed as a squirrel and not worth a high pick. he’s a fool. no doubt he’ll still end up a millionaire (at least temporarily) and have a chance to make his mark, but this money will never be made up.

  28. ItalianArmyGuy says: Oct 1, 2009 10:18 PM

    smilergrogan says: October 1, 2009 10:03 PM
    To those denigrating Jim Brown; you must have never seen him play. He was far and away the best player of his day.
    ===========
    Yes, well, as I said earlier, the 8 total yards he had in the playoff loss to the Giants in 1958 says otherwise, as did his other playoff no-shows, and his career fumble-itis
    Some people actually believe he won 4 or 5 championships as part of the great Browns teams of the early 50’s with Paul Brown and Otto Graham, but he played much of his career for a different coach, and only managed to be on one championship team. When it was clutch time, Jim Brown was usually nowhere to be found.

  29. this class sucks says: Oct 1, 2009 10:25 PM

    Strictly from an economic perspective Crabtree should sign the maximum deal he can get this year. Waiting an entire year at the chance of getting more money is a poor strategy from an economic stand point.
    Idk why everyone hates Jim Brown he was a great player, its not like he wants to play again like Favre.

  30. Damage88 says: Oct 1, 2009 10:36 PM

    Shouldn’t it be a privilege to play in The League? I mean, he’s holding out over 5% of the contract.

  31. Powertower says: Oct 1, 2009 10:37 PM

    I love the ideas and excuses the ignorant fans who are just hoping he doesn’t sign, and that their team steals him for less than the tenth pick in the draft present on this board. Let’s start with an easy one here. Is Crabtree as good as Fitzgerald? That one is easy: nope. Could he be as good as Fitzgerald? That one is easy too: maybe.
    “To most the world, it seems like Crabtree is being greedy, but this is capitalism, and he is entitled to shop his skills to the highest bidder. Top receivers in the NFL make $10 million per year, and the 49ers believe they should be able to lock Crabtree up for $4 million a year.”
    What industry can you name where the top talent right out of college can demand that they be paid the same as the industry leader. Can you see the first ranked person in Harvard business school say “I should be paid the same as Bill gates because for the last 3 years I have beeen the top in my field?” Or how about the person who graduated first from their medical school like I did. I should make the same as the top surgeon in the field because I kicked ass in medical school. I have nothing more to prove. Pay me”. Even in baseball, they expect the players to prove something before they get paid as the highest paid players.
    But what if Crabtree isn’t as good as Fitzgerald. What if he isn’t as good as advertised. This is capitalism, shouldn’t he give back the money? But that’s not what he wants. He wants his money guaranteed.
    What the 49ers are saying is we will pay you a great salary and after you prove you can play at this level, we will pay you. The mythical 40 million a year contract doesn’t exist. A phone call promise to his agent is not a contract. He did experience capitalism. Nine teams had the chance to pay that contract and nine passed. In addition, 21 teams had a chance to aquire him and pay him a large contract. Guess what 22 teams passed. See he wasn’t denied his chance at the contract that he wants. He simply wasn’t good enough to earn it.

  32. WashingtonRedstorms says: Oct 1, 2009 10:45 PM

    Jim Brown judging someone is like Jeffrey Dahmer mocking cannibals.

  33. HarrisonHits says: Oct 1, 2009 10:49 PM

    “To most the world, it seems like Crabtree is being greedy, but this is capitalism, and he is entitled to shop his skills to the highest bidder”
    You might want to actually know what you’re talking about.
    No, he’s not in the NFL system. Like all professional sports using a draft, he is NOT entitled to shop his skills to the highest bidder as a ROOKIE. He is entitled to negotiate only with the team who drafted him, and that team has every right not to have that process tampered with by other teams.
    Once he becomes a free agent he is then and only then entitled to shop himself to the highest bidder. At that point to make the big money he has to have proven himself while the team develops him at the NFL level. This is the system the players union and league have agreed to and found to be the best for all involved. The teams take substantial risk with the huge investments they make to 1st round picks, and have every right to the protections involved. Especially given 50%+ of those first round picks end up being busts.
    To see this little piece of sh*t act like he’s being abused because he’s only be offered several million dollars and not several plus 3 or 4 more million because he’s jealous of a player drafted higher is sickening to me and from the comments almost everyone else out there.
    Get a clue.

  34. Obeah says: Oct 1, 2009 10:51 PM

    Jim Brown who????

  35. ItalianArmyGuy says: Oct 1, 2009 10:52 PM

    @Powertower – “Or how about the person who graduated first from their medical school like I did”
    ================
    ahhh, another rocket surgeon in our midst. Welcome, you are among friends, we are all among the top geniuses in the world here.

  36. DeadRed says: Oct 1, 2009 11:10 PM

    Thank you Crabtree for not signing! We offered you a fair contract and its probably what you deserve considering the so called slotting system and the fact you didn’t run at the combine.
    Remember we have your rights and we will trade you to Dallas or the Jets so you can get paid.
    After we trade you we will use your money to take a run at Boldin or another proven receiver, bulk up our O-line or maybe pickup a quality pass rusher. (Crabree for Seymour anyone??)
    Thanks for not signing we love having cap room to spend next year and this year’s rookie class is looking pretty good without you.
    Turn on your TV and watch us slaughter the Lams this weekend and go 3-1 without your skinny a$$
    p.s. I hope you don’t fall down or worse I hear Texas is a dangerous place you douchbag!

  37. LottsFinger says: Oct 1, 2009 11:16 PM

    Jim Brown is the best back that ever played. Discussion over. Logoff if you think differently.

  38. jkr says: Oct 1, 2009 11:39 PM

    jkr says quit beating women!

  39. ItalianArmyGuy says: Oct 1, 2009 11:40 PM

    LottsFinger says: October 1, 2009 11:16 PM
    Jim Brown is the best back that ever played. Discussion over. Logoff if you think differently.
    ==============
    Please. Payton and Emmitt destroyed his numbers, and Emmitt was huge in the clutch games. For example, Emmitt averaged 40 total yards more per game from scrimmage, had 7,000 additional total yards, and scored another 67 TD’s more than Brown, and had 2 more championships.

  40. Jolly says: Oct 1, 2009 11:44 PM

    Always amuses me when some message board nobody speck spouts off on a Legend who has lived the life opinion on a situation in the Sports world. It’s like a juror asking the judge to shut his piehole while the juror tries to manage the courtroom goings on. Frighteningly idiotic.
    Pierrepoint mused:This is a business, and Crabtree is entitled to the maximum compensation that he can get.
    Really? This is precisely why the US economy was on the brink of a precipice, and probably still is.
    Nostradamn@ss continues: Sounds pretty obvious that one or more teams are interested in signing him for more than the 49ers are offering.
    Except that “one or more teams” did not draft him, and it’s called TAMPERING when they get into other teams business who are not their property.
    Maybe “one or more teams” should have made a move to get to a position to draft him while he was dropping like Maurice Clarett’s NFL future after being caught with an arsenal.
    Alot of pretty words fabricated on the back of idiocy. Get a clue.

  41. Dustin Chandler says: Oct 1, 2009 11:48 PM

    Hall of Fame running back James Brown has a big mouth doesn’t he?!!

  42. Kenneth says: Oct 1, 2009 11:59 PM

    I wish San Fransisco would call Crabgrass and his bonehead agent and say this : OK, We are going to REDUCE our offer $ 200,000 everyday until you sign. If you do not sign before the deadline, Then goodbye to bad rubbish and we will enjoy watching you fall to the 7th round if you even get drafted again at all, Because every GM in the league knows what a dumb ass you are and they are not going to risk their careers by drafting a Mensa candidate such as you.

  43. SmackMyVickUp says: Oct 2, 2009 12:04 AM

    Takeo Spikes had a nice t-shirt pic on twitter
    http://twitpic.com/jwruv

  44. redsquare says: Oct 2, 2009 12:31 AM

    Crabtree’s an idiot. Yeah, a year later, with no playing time in the meantime, and in a draft that’ll likely have a lot of talent, he’ll do better. Good luck, poster boy for everything that’s wrong with the draft system.

  45. Ike Huminspurts says: Oct 2, 2009 12:51 AM

    Jim Brown in this era would be the equivalent of Jamal Lewis…which is pretty good…great back but not the GOAT…maybe the greatest pre Super Bowl era back…have absolutely no problem with that

  46. MichelleCashtree says: Oct 2, 2009 1:28 AM

    @ItalianArmyGuy – Way to dismiss a valid point, and go straight for the personal attack. Maybe you should get off the big man website, and practice your kung-fu grip.
    —————
    49ers are going to be 3-1 this weekend, without Crabtree, and have two 1st round draft picks next year.
    If the 49ers can get out of this with some sort of due compensation (in regards to the tampering), and the cleared cap space – good riddance. The same mock draft analysts that gave provided your fleeting leverage, will surely tear you down this year.

  47. Bob S. says: Oct 2, 2009 1:32 AM

    http://www.bangcartoon.com/2009/cluck.htm

  48. lvass76 says: Oct 2, 2009 2:03 AM

    3 words…Rookie pay scale…he hasn’t done anything yet professionally. It’s a privelage to play a sport for millions. Especially when the rest of the country is suffering.

  49. TSE says: Oct 2, 2009 3:09 AM

    Kenneth:
    I have received your letter regarding the $200k daily reduction, and it won’t be very long before the offer becomes so ridiculously small that it would be embarrassing to sign. Call me next week after you have realized how ridiculous of an accelerated reduction that is and that you have raised your offer back up to what the normal amount should be. Until then, stop wasting your money on postage to send me such ridiculous information that couldn’t possibly want to make me sign with your team.
    Sincerely,
    Michael “The best WR that your team could have had if you didn’t negotiate like a 6 year old girl” Crabtree

  50. psychobob671 says: Oct 2, 2009 3:23 AM

    No NFL GM is his right mind will draft Crabtree
    before the 5th round.
    According to his logic it doesn’t matter when he is drafted he wants top 5 money.
    Why take a chance before then?
    The 49’s should be delighted he is not on the team, he doesn’t know the meaning of the word and every team
    with these Divas does not win Super Bowls.
    Jim Brown should mind his own wife beating business.
    His “Angry Black Man” act is getting old and irrelevant.

  51. LighTsouT says: Oct 2, 2009 6:02 AM

    @all you idiots saying Crabtree SHOULD hold out for his money,
    1, whoever said he can be as good/better than Fitzy, is out of their fkin mind. I’m a Rams fan, and as a Rams fan I’d rather play Crabtree (the unproven, untimed kid who has to learn the ropes. for all we know, this kid could have TE speed. I mean really, he didn’t ever look fast in college. Teyo Johnson anyone?) any day of the week.
    2, if any of you idiots think he’ll be chosen in the top 10 next season, you’re out of your god damn minds. IF I were to take a chance on this kid, it’d be a late draft pick, 7th probably, 6th if nothing else looks semi-intriguing. There is way no anyone will draft him in the first round KNOWING what he has done to the 49’ers.
    3, Jim Brown is an idiot.
    4, I’d pay a QB chosen at 10 more than a WR chosen at 7.
    5, Jets if caught, as we all know they probably did tamper based off of Ryan’s “too bad we don’t play them this season” comment after he denied the tampering chargers, I mean, really? What would you do if you played them, buy Crabtree a seat behind your bench so the 49’ers can realize you want him?
    6, and finally, let’s get a rookie slotting system in place, that way when we (the Rams) draft Colt McCoy/Sam Bradford in the top 3 next year, we won’t have to give him Jason Smith/Chris Long money. =\

  52. Big Vinny says: Oct 2, 2009 7:06 AM

    It’s a damn shame to be called out as an idiot by Jim Brown.
    Mr Pot may I introduce Mr Kettle.
    It’s kind of like that commercial where Favre bemoans people who can’t make decisions…

  53. shallowfan says: Oct 2, 2009 8:39 AM

    “To most the world, it seems like Crabtree is being greedy, but this is capitalism, and he is entitled to shop his skills to the highest bidder. Top receivers in the NFL make $10 million per year, and the 49ers believe they should be able to lock Crabtree up for $4 million a year.”
    @Pierre
    I think someone already said this, but it’s worth repeating…top receivers are paid a lot in the NFL, but he’s never caught a pass in the NFL, how can he be a top receiver? Most people climb the ladder, not start at the top.

  54. greenie says: Oct 2, 2009 8:39 AM

    This over-rated punk (future thug), should listen to Jim Brown and get his over-rated butt to camp, or… he better jump in the McJob line at McDonalds and/or Burger King. Goodness knows that’s the only other thing he can do besides catch an odd shaped ball – and that’s not a given…, look at Ted Ginn. He couldn’t catch a pas if it was handed to him. Crabtree should be grateful and quit acting as though he is God’s gift to football and it has just been waiting for his over-rated butt. He may not be that good in the National Felon League. In fact, I hope he falls flat on his over-rated face.

  55. hayward giablommi says: Oct 2, 2009 8:41 AM

    I agree with the sentiment. Crabtree is a greedy fool.
    With that said though, does anybody think that Jim Brown would be speaking up if this was a white player that was holding out?
    Yeah, me neither.

  56. overkil2 says: Oct 2, 2009 9:03 AM

    “2, if any of you idiots think he’ll be chosen in the top 10 next season, you’re out of your god damn minds. IF I were to take a chance on this kid, it’d be a late draft pick, 7th probably, 6th if nothing else looks semi-intriguing. There is way no anyone will draft him in the first round KNOWING what he has done to the 49’ers. ”
    BINGO!!
    There are teams looking to trade down because they don’t want to have to pay a player what that slot is worth. Do you think a team will draft him in the first round? He is STILL going to think that he deserves a lot more money than the position that he has been picked. Any team that drafts him 20 and gives him comparable money as the 8th player is an idiot. Oh wait.. Dan Snyder is still out there. He may get it from the Redskins.
    What amazes me is that the idiot didn’t even work out in the combine. He was hurt. So, no one really knows how his injury has affected him. That “I’ll run a 4.3 with crutches on” was hilarious. He couldn’t run a 4.4 without crutches.
    He may have just been the by product of a pass happy system and may not amount to anything in the NFL.

  57. Chickenfoot says: Oct 2, 2009 9:12 AM

    ItalianArmyGuy says:
    October 1, 2009 11:40 PM
    LottsFinger says: October 1, 2009 11:16 PM
    Jim Brown is the best back that ever played. Discussion over. Logoff if you think differently.
    ==============
    Please. Payton and Emmitt destroyed his numbers, and Emmitt was huge in the clutch games. For example, Emmitt averaged 40 total yards more per game from scrimmage, had 7,000 additional total yards, and scored another 67 TD’s more than Brown, and had 2 more championships.
    ==================================
    Emmitt Smith Played 6 more seasons than Jim Brown. Payton played 4.
    They also only played 12 and 14 game seasons.
    E Smith thru 108 games:
    10,160 yds 108 tds : 2300 yds recieving 7 tds
    W. Payton thru 114 games:
    10,204 yds 72 tds: 2771 yds recieving 9 tds
    J.Brown thru 108 games:(career)
    12,132 yds 106 tds: 2499 yds recieving 20 tds
    The rushing numbers are not even close. Brown retired after 9 seasons. Had he played as long as Emmitt, the rushing record is out of reach.
    Some of you people need to realize there was a leauge before you started watching the game.
    To the fool that called him a jamal lewis in todays game, Please, the guy was 6’3″ 232 and fast.
    Looked for contact. He’d be great in any era.
    Politics and private life aside, the greatest rb ever.

  58. Patsfan1776 says: Oct 2, 2009 9:25 AM

    I hope this kid is being tampered with and I hope he sticks to his guns and sits out the season. Then there will be 2 possible scenarios after he signs his big contract.
    1. He’s not as good as advertised and the team that tampered for him wasted a bunch of money on the kid.
    2. He has a tremendous season at which point he will think that the “big contract” wasn’t big enough and he will start this crap all over again with the team that signed him.
    Either way it will be entertaining for me because I don’t think he will be coming to the Pats and we can only hope that it will be the Jets or Dolphins.

  59. tdawg69 says: Oct 2, 2009 9:29 AM

    All you toolbags know nothing about Jim Brown. There is no comparison between him and Payton, Smith, etc. A few facts for you tards:
    He only played 9 seasons, the first four of which were only 12 games long, and the last 5 were 14 games long.
    Never missed a single game to injury, ever.
    Had a then NFL record 1863 yards in the 14 game 1963 season, extrapolated to the current 16 game season that would be 2129 yards.
    First runner to eclipse the 100 TD mark for his career, finishing with 106 TD’s in 108 career games, damn near a TD per game. For comparison, Emmitt Smith had 164 TD’s in 224 games and Walter Payton had 110 in 192 games played.
    Still holds NFL record for yards per carry at 5.5. No one else even close.
    Retired still in his prime, ala Barry sanders. Emmitt Smith played 6 more years than JB and more than double the number of games. To even consider Smith in the same sentence with Brown, let alone Sanders or Payton is a freakin Joke.
    Remains the only RB to this day to average over 100 yards per game.
    Ask Barry Sanders or Emmitt Smith who they think is the greatest RB of all time and I bet they say Jim Brown.

  60. ItalianArmyGuy says: Oct 2, 2009 9:55 AM

    MichelleCashtree says: October 2, 2009 1:28 AM
    @ItalianArmyGuy – Way to dismiss a valid point, and go straight for the personal attack. Maybe you should get off the big man website, and practice your kung-fu grip.
    ==============
    Jim Brown was speaking specifically about legacies. It is important to note that Mr. Brown’s legacy is a bit overblown – he was never a clutch performer. Running for 8 yards and a 1-yard average in a playoff loss is not clutch, and neither are 50 yard and 69 yard efforts in two championship game losses. After he retired, he tarnished his own legacy with his nudie-pics, his domestic violence imprisonment, and his choice of strange headgear.
    Crabtree should take my advice, not Jim Brown’s. If there is someone who will pay you what you are worth Crabtree, hold out for the bucks. You are the most talented WR coming out of college in several years. SF has no plan at QB – the most important position with respect to your legacy.

  61. SimAlex2000 says: Oct 2, 2009 10:02 AM

    everyone gets so offended when a football player wants more money, but when a corporate CEO takes home that kind of cash, it’s good ol’ american-style pull-yourself-up-by-your-boostraps capitalism.

  62. slipkid says: Oct 2, 2009 10:08 AM

    Brown retired because he couldnt keep leroy kelly on the bench.
    and cleveland did much better before he came. and about as well after he left.
    i would say he was a product of the star system and a victim of it too. when a team that is beholden to the star system cant get yards etc with the star… s@#$ breaks down.
    he played against some damn good teams in the one-game playoffs he was in. the year they scorched balto was like when the jets scorched balto. balto talked trash. other teams put it on the bulletin board.
    but he is dead on about crabtree. i bet he meant “he should have gotten into camp” and/or “he better sign and get on the roster”.
    i bet crabtree is another system product who fails massively in the pros. no one even knows if he is as fast as advertised.
    lots of wideouts who were stars in high screwel dont pan out in college, and lots of college star wideouts dont pan out in the pros. lets face it, these guys have physical skills but for most, that’s all they have. when they run into tough physical motivated cover men in the pros, and sometimes in college, they wilt. they also dont learn how to run patterns that keep them employed by QBs who know hot to put the ball in a particular place.
    loads of college wideouts look great in college because they are like men playing vs. boys. then those skinny wideouts go to the pros and it’s like they went to prison. it’s all they can do to stay alive.

  63. ItalianArmyGuy says: Oct 2, 2009 10:11 AM

    @tdawg – “To even consider Smith in the same sentence with Brown, let alone Sanders or Payton is a freakin Joke.”
    ============
    Whatever – I’ve made my point. Payton and Smith clearly bested him in total yards per game from scrimmage, TD’s, and did not suffer from his fumble-itis. And Smith was clutch in the playoffs, when Brown was but a wallflower.

  64. callmecougar says: Oct 2, 2009 10:14 AM

    All you teabags are missing the most glaring reason why Jim Brown should shut the hell up. Jim Brown was under contract to play for the Browns when he chose not to show up for training camp because a movie that he was shooting in Europe was taking longer than expected. When Art Modell told him that if he did not report on time he would be fined for every day he was late, that was when he decided to retire and not honor the remainder of his contract.
    This guy is one of the biggest frauds in all of sports. He talks about the current players and how they need to act, yet he was the first player to demand a coach be fired and have it happen. And that coach was Paul Brown, who was the greatest coach of all time.
    As for Brown being better than Payton, child please. Jim played with the best offensive line in all of football in front of him for his whole career. He had multiple HOFers around him to take away some of the pressure on him. He only won one title and it was Gary Collins that scored all three TD’s in that game. Can you name one decent linemen that played with Walter?
    Shut up.

  65. Chickenfoot says: Oct 2, 2009 10:25 AM

    Italian army guy, you are a freaking tool.
    Let me guess, youre about 25 years old.
    You only know the football of the 90’s on.
    And think today’s players are superior to any of yesteryear’s
    Had Sayers not have gotten hurt and had to quit at 26, he’d most likely be the best ever.
    Yeah, Italian, I’ll wait for you to look him up, he played in the 60’s.
    Slipkid.
    He didn’t retire because he couldn’t keep kelly on the bench, he retired because he wanted more money, he also was into acting. He was filming the Dirty Dozen in London when he phoned in his retirement.
    It wasn’t because Kelly was going to take his job.
    1965 he had 1544 yds 17 tds 5.3 ypc.
    Kelly had 43 carries for 151 yards in 64 & 65.
    So, now , you are wrong there.
    Give Brown the amount of carries that ANY rb that “passed” him for career yardage, take his yards per carry and multiply by thos extra carries, NO ONE touches him.
    There is no arguement as to who was the best RB ever. “Clutch” performances aside.

  66. schism says: Oct 2, 2009 10:34 AM

    career suicide

  67. hayward giablommi says: Oct 2, 2009 10:54 AM

    @ Patsfan1776
    Or another scenario is that the team tampering with Crabtree (rhymes with Pesters) is feeding him ideas that he is worth more $$$, but won’t actually take him next year if/when he reenters the draft.
    Either way, the 49ers get abosultely screwed. If the league had any balls they would take the first round draft pick of the tampering team (ryhmes with Chesters) and award it to the 49ers. But considering who the commissioner is, and who he used to work for, this obviously will not happen.
    Very troubling.

  68. Patsfan1776 says: Oct 2, 2009 11:09 AM

    hayward,
    You are correct. I didn’t put any scenarios with tamperors getting penalized and the 49ers getting compensation because I think the commissioner is definitely in the tank.
    The NFL is headed for tough negotiations and it seems to be that the commissioner is aligning himself with the big money owners including the owner of the team I root for. Unfortunately for the 9ers, they are in the 2nd or 3rd tier of teams money-wise and won’t be getting any love from the commish anytime soon.

  69. VoxVeritas says: Oct 2, 2009 11:34 AM

    “vox ur an idiot get a good education.”
    Thanks for the advice, you’re obviously a Pitt grad.

  70. ItalianArmyGuy says: Oct 2, 2009 11:38 AM

    @Chickenfoot – “There is no arguement as to who was the best RB ever. “Clutch” performances aside.”
    ==============
    That is the whole point, LOL! The same logic that applies to Barry Sanders, who only had 1 good playoff game in 6 tries in his career, should apply to Jim Brown. Franco Harris certainly never had that problem with being a playoff no-show. Emmitt Smith never had that problem. Some guys rise to the moment, and some guys, like Jim Brown, don’t. How can you call him the greatest runner of all time, when he was a failure during the majority of his most important games?

  71. Jeff Smith says: Oct 2, 2009 11:46 AM

    ItalianArmyGuy, your posts and the others claiming that Jim Brown was not a great RB are the dumbest I’ve ever read on PFT.
    Many people who cover the NFL not only think he was the greatest RB ever, but that he was the greatest NFL player ever.
    But perhaps that knowledge eludes people who play with little plastic Italian army men.

  72. GoBrowns19 says: Oct 2, 2009 11:53 AM

    Stop giving updates on Crabtree. Let’s just let him sink into the abyss. Everyone’s sick of people like him in sports. Sports used to be so much better before the black athlete was allowed to play.

  73. FrankyFiveFingers says: Oct 2, 2009 12:21 PM

    Wait……I thought training camp was over?

  74. VoxVeritas says: Oct 2, 2009 12:28 PM

    “Emmitt Smith Played 6 more seasons than Jim Brown. Payton played 4.”
    Exactly. Brown quit at the top of his game. He decided that he’d rather do something else.It’s just my book, but my book says you can’t be best ever at anything if you’d rather be doing something else.

  75. VoxVeritas says: Oct 2, 2009 12:35 PM

    “To the fool that called him a jamal lewis in todays game, Please, the guy was 6’3″ 232 and fast.
    Looked for contact.”
    Looked for contact from 240 pound defensive tackles and 210 pound linebackers.

  76. Chickenfoot says: Oct 2, 2009 12:43 PM

    Vox:
    You are correct. There is no “right” answer to this question.
    Some play longer, some play with 2-4 extra games per season.
    The only way to actually compare is how I did.
    Each Rb’s 1st 108 games.
    That isn’t even fair, because some of the other’s best seasons occurred after that.
    Is ot fair to give Brown the benefit of his 5.2 ypc avg. over another 4-6 seasons? Who knows if he gets injured?
    Look, you are going to pick Smith because he was a Cowboy, I don’t blame you. If he was a Viking, I’d probably do the same.
    I’ve just watched a lot of games of Brown, he was a punishing runner, a huge back and his ypc is the best ever for a career.
    There is no way of knowing, had he played longer, if he would have put the record out of the reach of anyone.
    That’s whats great about sports, the debates.
    All I know is he set the record, faster than anyone. Anyone after, had to take more years and games to get there. In my book, he’s the best ever.
    Hopefully Peterson eclipses them all.

  77. VoxVeritas says: Oct 2, 2009 12:45 PM

    “To even consider Smith in the same sentence with Brown, let alone Sanders or Payton is a freakin Joke.”
    Yeah, now you’re just being stupid.

  78. VoxVeritas says: Oct 2, 2009 1:00 PM

    “And think today’s players are superior to any of yesteryear’s”
    Oh without question the vast majority of the time. It’s one thing to run against 230 pound grain-fed guys that run the 40 in 4.9. Quite another to run against 300 pound jacked-up freaks of nature that would smoke those grain-fed midgets. Jim Brown was a 4.4-4.5 guy and he wouldn’t look NEARLY as fast if he were at the peak of his game and playing today.

  79. Chickenfoot says: Oct 2, 2009 1:02 PM

    Vox:
    Different rules in that era, Clothesline among other tactics were acceptable.
    May have been smaller, but they were tough sob’s.
    Emitt’s in the top 5.
    Slip:
    Modell forced out P Brown. Jim brown didn’t.
    Do a bit of research.

  80. ItalianArmyGuy says: Oct 2, 2009 1:10 PM

    Jeff Smith says: October 2, 2009 11:46 AM
    ItalianArmyGuy, your posts and the others claiming that Jim Brown was not a great RB are the dumbest I’ve ever read on PFT.
    Many people who cover the NFL not only think he was the greatest RB ever, but that he was the greatest NFL player ever.
    ======================
    If he was the greatest NFL player “ever”, then he did his damage against some pretty unimpressive defenders, LOL
    Look at some of the guys he went up against:
    Eagles Defensive Tackle Ed Khayat – 240 lbs
    Eagles Defensive End (and offensive guard) Chuck Weber – 229 pounds
    Redskins DT Don Lawrence – 245 pounds
    Redskins LB Ralph Felton – 210 pounds
    Cardinals DE Leo Sugar – 214 pounds
    Cardinals DT (also played Tackle, Guard, and Center on offense) Frank Fuller – 244 pounds
    Cardinals DE John Tracey – 225 pounds
    Sorry, but some of those guys aren’t even big enough to make the local Jr. College teams in today’s game. There is no way Jim Brown would have averaged over 5 yards a carry against 300+ pound linemen and 250 pound speedy linebackers

  81. VoxVeritas says: Oct 2, 2009 1:21 PM

    “Look, you are going to pick Smith because he was a Cowboy, I don’t blame you. If he was a Viking, I’d probably do the same.”
    What? If you add the Vikes’ top three all-time RBs numbers and accomplishments together, they don’t come close to one Emmitt Smith. Your top RB ever, Robert Smith, has roughly a third of the yards and a fifth of the TDs, get outta here with that tripe.
    You think I would pick Emmitt just because he’s a Cowboy? I mean you can’t think of any other reason? You know, stuff like the all-time rushing leader, all time rushing TD leader, second all-time TDs of any kind, first player in NFL history to log 5 consecutive 1400 yard seasons, only player in NFL history with 11 consecutive 1,000 yard rushing seasons, four time rushing champ, three time Super Bowl champ, Super Bowl MVP, NFL MVP, eight time pro bowler, most 100 yard rushing games ever, NFL playoff TD record, unquestionably and far and away the most durable, most prolific running back of all time? You can’t think of any other reason why I MIGHT think that Emmitt is the best running back of all time other than the fact that he played for the Cowboys and I’m a Cowboy fan?
    I think Payton is the best of all time, by the way. Emmitt’s a close second.

  82. ItalianArmyGuy says: Oct 2, 2009 2:14 PM

    @Chickenfoot – “Look [Vox], you are going to pick Smith because he was a Cowboy, I don’t blame you. If he was a Viking, I’d probably do the same.”
    ===============
    Chickenfoot, that’s not a reasonable argument. I’m a Steeler fan, and I hated Emmitt, but would have welcomed him on my team in a second. He clearly had a superior career compared to Brown in terms of accomplishments, commitment, production – and he did it against much more difficult defenses.
    I don’t know why Vox would say Payton was the best of all time – the numbers are strongly in favor of Emmitt – he had more than 20 yards total production per game more than Walter, and 40 yards more than Brown.

  83. Chickenfoot says: Oct 2, 2009 2:51 PM

    Vox:
    I see all your homeristic posts, that is how I KNOW that is why you think he is the best ever.
    Nice try trying to cover it up with payton though.
    Isaid if Emmitt was a Viking, where did you get that I said any Viking compared to him? What?
    Well not yet anyway, peterson stays healthy, Emitts mark is going bye bye.
    To the idiot that said Brown was surrounded by Hall of Famers:
    Cleveland Browns
    Doug Atkins (1953-1954)
    Jim Brown (1957-1965)
    Paul Brown (1946-1962)
    Willie Davis (1958-1959)
    Len Dawson (1960-1961)
    Joe DeLamielleure (1980-1984)
    Len Ford (1950-1957)
    Frank Gatski (1946-1956)
    Otto Graham (1946-1955)
    Lou Groza (1946-1959, 1961-1967)
    Gene Hickerson (1958-1973)
    Henry Jordan (1957-1958)
    Leroy Kelly (1964-1973)
    Dante Lavelli (1946-1956)
    Mike McCormack (1954-1962)
    Tommy McDonald (1968)
    Bobby Mitchell (1958-1961)
    Marion Motley (1946-1953)
    Ozzie Newsome (1978-1990)
    Paul Warfield (1964-1969, 1976-1977)
    Bill Willis (1946-1953)
    With the exceptions of hickerson and Mccormack,
    who?
    Nice revisionist history…….
    To the small guys theory
    B.Lilly 6-5 260
    A. Donavan 6-2 270
    B. Buchanon 6-8 270
    C. Eller 6-6 250
    Deacon Jones 6-5 270
    M. Olsen 6-5 270
    Those are just HOF lineman.
    Butkus, NitschkeJoe Scmidt, Chuck Bednarik, some of the meanest men ever in football.
    Larry Wilson, “Night Train” Lane.
    He was called night train, because of how hard he hit.
    Yeah none of these guys were any good.
    The average size of humans has gone up over the years, the men that played back then were considered large.
    Vox there is such a thing as football speed, Jerry rice had it, he wasn’t a burner by any means, so your theory of a ” slow” 40 time holds no water.
    This is the greatest RB of all time:
    http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.aspx?PlayerId=33
    If you are good in 1 era, you’ll be good in any era.

  84. mwcarolina says: Oct 2, 2009 3:23 PM

    i am sick of this kid, i hope that he goes into next years draft and gets drafted in the 3rd round, he needs to grow up, Heyward-Bey may suck and he may be paid more than you, but that is something you can rub in the Raider’s face if you go to the 49ers and become a star, if not then you will fall off the face of the football world.

  85. ItalianArmyGuy says: Oct 2, 2009 4:09 PM

    @Chickenfoot – watch this video, and see if you don’t agree with me that Brown was often the largest man on the field:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6cCXNBeVfc
    His style of breaking tackles against smaller, slower men would not have worked in 1975 against Mean Joe Green, Jack Ham and Jack Lambert, much less against the 2009 Giants or Ravens defensive front 7.

  86. LighTsouT says: Oct 2, 2009 5:52 PM

    Guys, let’s just end this argument. Steven Jackson is the best RB EVER. there. now stop arguing about who the best RB ever is.
    I’m a Rams fan, and someone above me made the point for me, I’ll just re-iterate it. Jim Brown played with WAY smaller athletes, than Dallas’ #22 did. People train YEAR ROUND now a days, they didn’t back then. I still don’t think #22’s the best ever, but that’s besides the point. he was better than Brown.
    Now, Barry Sanders is the greatest RB in the history of the league.

  87. VoxVeritas says: Oct 2, 2009 8:44 PM

    “I don’t know why Vox would say Payton was the best of all time – the numbers are strongly in favor of Emmitt”
    I just think that Payton had a lot less to work with.
    “Well not yet anyway, peterson stays healthy, Emitts mark is going bye bye.”
    It’s not gonna happen. Sorry. Peterson’s a great back, don’t get me wrong, but I’ve seen much better than AP try and fail. He’s not only going to have to stay healthy, he’s going to have to stay as productive as he is right now for a really long time. At his current pace of 105 yards per game it’ll take him 142 more games to pass Emmitt’s 18,355 yards. Almost 9 more seasons worth of games. At his current pace of 0.78 TDs per game, it’ll take him 177 games to pass Emmitt’s 165 TDs. That’s over 11 seasons worth.
    You’re talking 12-14 total seasons to get both. At his current pace. Ain’t gonna happen. I guess it could happen if he slows down if he stays healthy and hangs around for 15-20 years. I think that Emmitt’s records will still be standing in 20 years. If saying that makes me a homer, I guess I’m a homer. It’s gonna have to be some genetically engineered prototype running back test tube robo-baby that takes those records.

  88. callmecougar says: Oct 2, 2009 11:28 PM

    Chicken$hit or foot,
    Modell got rid of Paul Brown in order to keep Jim Brown happy. That is a fact. I did the research you jag-off.
    And Hickerson and McCormack weren’t the only two HOFers that played with JB. He had a Paul Warfield and Bobby Mitchell with him also. And Schafrath, Wooten, and Jim Ray Smith have been recognized as being HOF worthy for years. Can you make that case for anyone that blocked for Payton?
    You’re are obviously a JB jock sniffer that will never look at this in an objective manner. Go back into your basement and stare at your Jim Brown movie posters and wrestle with jimmy.

  89. Chickenfoot says: Oct 3, 2009 6:02 PM

    Call:
    Not a JB jock sniffer at all.
    I just ealize there was football before the 70’s and 80’s.
    Mitchell was there what? 3 years?
    Hall of fam worthy? They aren’t in after 40 years? Not worthy.
    Where is your “proof that you researched”
    Although he had experienced only one losing season, Cleveland owner Art Modell fired him after the 1962 season, stating that the game had passed the coach by.
    From this website:
    http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/paul-brown-at.htm
    Fired
    Brown was fired as coach on January 9, 1963 by majority owner, Art Modell, who had purchased the club in 1961 and looked to take more control over the team. Controversy developed over the timing of the decision, coming in the midst of a local newspaper strike that limited discussion of the move. One comment from a local journalist later noted the move was akin to the toppling of the Terminal Tower, then Cleveland’s tallest building.
    The relationship, which had never been warm, had continued to deteriorate because of what Brown felt was Modell’s infringing on his duties. Having little contact with Modell, Brown privately made a huge trade with the Washington Redskins in December 1961 without the owner’s knowledge. Brown’s deal secured Heisman Trophy winner Ernie Davis, the star running back from Syracuse University. However, the trade marked the beginning of the end of his Cleveland career and turned tragic when Davis developed leukemia during his first training camp in 1962. The feud itself was exacerbated when Brown chose not to play Davis, despite assurances from doctor that Davis could withstand the physical demands of NFL action. Modell saw no harm in playing Davis, with his financial investment obviously a consideration in his thinking. Davis would never play in a professional game, dying of the disease on May 18, 1963.
    Website:Fired
    Brown was fired as coach on January 9, 1963 by majority owner, Art Modell, who had purchased the club in 1961 and looked to take more control over the team. Controversy developed over the timing of the decision, coming in the midst of a local newspaper strike that limited discussion of the move. One comment from a local journalist later noted the move was akin to the toppling of the Terminal Tower, then Cleveland’s tallest building.
    Website:
    http://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/1047814-paul_brown/biography.php
    Not only didn’y upu research, you are a blatant liar.
    Nice try though.

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