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Vikings begin final push for new stadium

With an undefeated team, the best running back in the game, a stifling defense, and a Hall of Fame quarterback who in four days will face for the first time the franchise with which he spent 16 seasons, there’s no time like the present to try to get some public money for a new football stadium in Minnesota.

Or, as the case may be, a lot of public money.

And if the present effort doesn’t work, there might be no future.

The Vikings will ask taxpayers for $700 million to build a new venue at the site of the current Metrodome. 

The place would be called “Metrodome Next” [editor’s note:  lame], and it would include a retractable roof.  (There’s also talk of building a facility with no lid, which would restore a true home-field advantage to the team.)

Vikings exec Lester Bagley had an ominous message to those who’ll be considering the request:  “If the answer is no,” Bagley told the St. Paul Pioneer Press, “then why would you own a team in this market?”

This can be interpreted two ways.  First, without a new stadium, owner Zygi Wilf will sell the team.  Second, without a new stadium, owner Zygi Wilf will move the team.

And it likely would be moved to the Los Angeles area, where Ed Roski is moving forward with a new stadium in the city of Industry.

The locals, however, don’t seem ready to budge.

“Governor [Tim] Pawlenty
believes the Vikings are an important Minnesota institution and asset. 
We want to see the Vikings stay in Minnesota,” Pawlenty spokesman Brian
McClung told the Pioneer Press.  “But the state has to prioritize limited resources, and
as we look ahead to the 2010 legislative session, state funding for a
new stadium is not high on the list.”

Meanwhile, the other regular tenants are leaving the Metrodome.  The Minnesota Twins have a new stadium that opens next season.  And the Minnesota Golden Gophers already are playing in their own new open-air digs.  The Vikings’ lease expires after the 2011 season.

“When we get to 2010, we
have 20 games left at the Metrodome, and the clock is ticking,” Bagley
said. 

“The state can’t afford us to become free agents.”

The problem, as we see it, is that the Vikings have been making subtle threats about moving for more than a decade, and folks in Minnesota possibly believe it’s all a bluff.

We’ve got a strong feeling that it isn’t. 

And so, just as Minneapolis lost the Lakers to L.A. all those years ago, the Vikings could be the next purple-and-gold Minnesota product to load up the truck and move to Beverly.

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  1. jimmySee says: Oct 1, 2009 10:00 AM

    Extortion is a crime.

  2. Hap says: Oct 1, 2009 10:01 AM

    This argument is old. Somebiody needs to “crap or get off the pot.”

  3. jimmySee says: Oct 1, 2009 10:01 AM

    Extortion is a crime.

  4. doric44 says: Oct 1, 2009 10:03 AM

    good vikings go to LA so buffalo can keep its team

  5. Calistin says: Oct 1, 2009 10:04 AM

    It’s a trap!

  6. hayward giablommi says: Oct 1, 2009 10:05 AM

    Retractable roofs on football stadiums are the most wasteful, pointless things going right now. Either build a stadium with a fixed roof, or no roof at all.

  7. evilboy128 says: Oct 1, 2009 10:05 AM

    and to me, This AND the Chargers moving to LA, ALWAYS seemed a more likely possibility than the Jaguars moving to LA. Hell, Ed Roski colored the stadium seats purple and gold in his demo….who do YOU think he was targeting with that little marketing move?

  8. Nevisyakker says: Oct 1, 2009 10:07 AM

    One of the things that sucks about this is how it is totally politicized. The majority of the polilticians are pretending to protect the public trust by not handing over millions to the like of Zygi Wilf. However, unlike so many other items on the state’s budget list, keeping the Vikings represents a significant, and positive, economic impact on the area. The cost of building the stadium will largely go into the local construction and supply industries, all of which are economically starved at the moment. On-going, you have tax income for the state, a certain amount of tourism benefit to the Twin Cities area, the high profile publicity that only the NFL can bring, and so on. Building a new stadium isn’t a “give-away” to a rich guy from New York, it is a prudent business choice that would pay immediate and long term benefits.

  9. leatherneck says: Oct 1, 2009 10:11 AM

    I think the Vikings need to address the possibility of simply buying the Metrodome from the State of Minnesota. Perhaps a sale for $1 for the building and real estate would be a sufficient contribution to the team.
    If that doesn’t work, tell the public why.
    http://www.minnesotamomentum.com/

  10. Hap says: Oct 1, 2009 10:11 AM

    I remember when The Vikes played outside and it was killer. I’m sure the late falls/early winters there can be harsh, but think what a homefield advantage it would be if they indeed were to consider an open air venue. I doubt it happens but I’d love it. A return to days of old.

  11. Twiz says: Oct 1, 2009 10:11 AM

    “The problem, as we see it…….blah blah blah”
    You need to change that to “The problem, as *I* see it” since only you and those that are against the Vikings seem to see it that way…….
    A move is NOT gonna happen……

  12. CliveRush says: Oct 1, 2009 10:13 AM

    Stadiums financed by taxpayers for a private clubhouse for the super rich. Brillant! Maybe they can cut back on education funding to divert the money to Ziggy. Can Brett float them a loan?

  13. Chitown says: Oct 1, 2009 10:13 AM

    The retractable roof is not meant for during the football games, it makes the stadium usable when there is no football and 3 feet of snow on the ground.

  14. bearsrule says: Oct 1, 2009 10:14 AM

    700 million ? I’m a huge football fan, but if I lived in Minnesota, I sure wouldn’t want to pay for this. Zygi could kiss my rear end all the way to Los Angeles, or anywhere he can get his hands on somebody else’s money.

  15. chris says: Oct 1, 2009 10:15 AM

    Why can they not build it on there own, with there own dime? The NFL has a stadium fund and other owners have funded there own stadium projects privately? why does it have to be $700 million? scale it down, reduce costs and make it happen.

  16. MNfan55 says: Oct 1, 2009 10:15 AM

    If it isn’t open roof, dont build it. MN always has the Gophers.

  17. UL_LUZ98@YAHOO.COM says: Oct 1, 2009 10:19 AM

    i will not pay extra taxs for a sports team. do you hear us Minnesota Goverment

  18. Sec19Row53 says: Oct 1, 2009 10:21 AM

    RE this: and a Hall of Fame quarterback who in four days will face for the first time the franchise with which he spent 16 seasons
    He did face the Packers once before in his career, on December 1, 1991 while with the Falcons. Ron Wolf scouted him during the pre-game warm-ups. The rest is history

  19. Yamchargers says: Oct 1, 2009 10:22 AM

    How on earth did the Twins and the Padres of the the MLB (b stands for BORING) get new stadiums while the Vikings and Twins of the greatest Pro league in the history of the world cant get new stadiums? Was it just a timing issue?

  20. SlaveToBankers says: Oct 1, 2009 10:31 AM

    So, if he gets his way, will Zygi Wilf say thank you for the $700 million in public dollars BEFORE or AFTER he sends Vike’s season ticket holders a $5,000 bill for their new PSLs? Just wonderin’, is all…

  21. Guy Incognito says: Oct 1, 2009 10:34 AM

    Great, I’ve already paid for the Twins stadium and now they’re going to want me to pay for the Vikes because they’ve gotten off to a promising start.
    Minnesota tax is already ridiculous and doubly so if you live in Minneapolis.
    No publicly funded stadium.

  22. lebowski says: Oct 1, 2009 10:35 AM

    Can’t see the state caving on this one. Too bad, because the Twins and Gophers both will be playing somewhere a lot better than the dome, and it would be nice for the Vikes to have a new outdoor stadium too. By then, fragile Favre won’t have to deal with the cold anyway.

  23. birdmancometh says: Oct 1, 2009 10:38 AM

    Open air! Play the game the way it’s supposed to be played…in the elements!

  24. High Farve says: Oct 1, 2009 10:38 AM

    If you look into Sports Economics (Prof. Aju Fenn) you’ll see that Tax Payers who fund stadiums don’t receive any benefit by having their team in the area, proven by using regression.
    SUMMATION: Forcing tax payers to pay for stadiums is blackmail, and while it does become income for those people building the stadium it also goes into the pocket of the owner because franchise value includes the stadium as a money making venue in what owners sell if they sell the franchise. It’s blackmail.

  25. JimmySmith says: Oct 1, 2009 10:41 AM

    For a state that elects pro wrestlers as Governor and a second rate B list actor to the US senate, can you really expect them to arrive at a solution to keep pro football (I use that term loosely) in MN?
    I could give a rat’s ass if LA ever gets another pro football franchise but I could see one huge positive coming from this move, Fox will carry the Packer games as their regional coverage in the Twin Cities. Fitting justice considering the Viking’s tendencies to sign ex-Packer players.

  26. Filbertkiwi71 says: Oct 1, 2009 10:50 AM

    “The Vikings will ask taxpayers for $700 million to build a new venue at the site of the current Metrodome. ”
    ——-
    I hope they don’t get the stadium. Having any NFL games blacked out, and then asking the taxpayers for money to build a stadium for any franchise is obscene.
    If they do get the stadium, then I hope the voters are smart enough to demand that the black out rule be permanently lifted before they make any financial agreement.

  27. darrius_heyward-bey-butterfingers says: Oct 1, 2009 10:51 AM

    Minnesota built a new stadium for their lowly college. They are not fiscally responsible as they claim. Let’s see, they had two options- 1) build a stadium for the Vikings, or 2) Build a stadium for the Vikings and work out a deal for the lowly college team to play there. These morons build one for the stupid college and tell Vikings to shove it. Brilliant! L.A. Is coming very soon.

  28. Filbertkiwi71 says: Oct 1, 2009 10:52 AM

    “How on earth did the Twins and the Padres of the the MLB (b stands for BORING) get new stadiums while the Vikings and Twins of the greatest Pro league in the history of the world cant get new stadiums? Was it just a timing issue?”

  29. LAVikesFan says: Oct 1, 2009 10:55 AM

    As a Los Angeles-resident Vikes fan, I’m all in favor of the move!

  30. VoxVeritas says: Oct 1, 2009 10:56 AM

    Let them move. Minnesota will never ever ever get another NFL team and they’ll all have to become Packer fans. Maybe the Twins will move too.

  31. hayward giablommi says: Oct 1, 2009 10:57 AM

    “The retractable roof is not meant for during the football games, it makes the stadium usable when there is no football and 3 feet of snow on the ground.”
    ^^^^^^^^^^^
    I get that…but then why even make it retractable? So you can play 3 games a year with the sun shining in?

  32. ncoolong says: Oct 1, 2009 10:59 AM

    The Twins got a new stadium (BARELY) because people don’t want to watch baseball inside during the only three nice months of the year. The Gophers got a new stadium because people wanted to watch college football on a college campus.
    The Vikings didn’t get a stadium when the window was open because it was right around the same time Captain Daunte led the Love Boat around Lake Minnetonka, and it took a long time to wash out the remnants of that era of Vikings football.
    It’s no question who the most popular team in the state is (Vikings), but they couldn’t have picked a worse time for a massive hit to their public image. Now, our legislature has a few years of battles for public money already brewing, and there’s basically no chance for a stadium.

  33. Bob Nelson says: Oct 1, 2009 10:59 AM

    Just like the Minnesota North Stars got a new building in Dallas and became the Dallas Stars the vikings will a new building in another city.
    Perhaps a new name. Mexico City Aztecs would help the NFL go international and ship American jobs south of the the border.
    No matter where they build a new stadium and move the team it will get more support than minnesota gave it.

  34. GoBrowns19 says: Oct 1, 2009 10:59 AM

    There is no reason for the people of Minneapolis NOT to vote for the stadium. We’ve gone through the taxes in Cleveland for three new stadiums over the last 15 years. Once the taxes are in place, you never notice them. Pay a little more for a twelve pack once, and it becomes the norm. Imagine buying that twelver for a little less on a fall Sunday morning to watch the LA Vikings play the Baltimore Ravens. TRUST ME MINNESOTA, LOSING YOUR FOOTBALL IS REALLY IS LIKE LOSING A LOVED ONE ON SOME LEVEL. You may think it would be the end of the world right now, but it’s worse. Look at Cleveland….we got a team back, but it’s the worst run franchise in football. I implore you to pass this because I, as an NFL fan, don’t want the Vikings to leave Minnesota. Too much history. Tarkenton, the Purple People eaters, Ahmad Rashad, the good defensive teams of the 80’s…just pass the damn tax people! Football in L.A. is a waste of time.

  35. Rick says: Oct 1, 2009 11:00 AM

    How about the Vikings build their own stadium with their own money. It will be an absolute sin if the tax payers have to pay for a stadium that will make a billionaire richer. Robert Kraft did it right when he said I’ll pay for the stadium and you pay for the surrounding infrastructure. That is how a businessman partners with government. Mr Kraft gets a profitable Stadium and local business gets more business.

  36. Greg from Louisiana says: Oct 1, 2009 11:02 AM

    I grew up in Minnesota and know personally what wonderful people they are. Having said that, the state is loaded with Scandinavians who still have their first dollar.
    As one previous poster astutely put it, this is an investment in the town and area. For all their poormouthing, Minnesota’s streets are paved with gold in comparison to much of the country. Poor they are not, tight they are indeed.
    The rich guy argument is hogwash, it is like the idea that exploring space is sending millions to the moon. When in fact, only a few dollars of metal and plastic go the moon, and the other millions stay within your borders and go into workers paychecks. That applies to a new stadium too. The money spent will fuel your own local economy and mutiply as it filters thru the area.
    It is time to build the stadium; Wilf will move it; it is not a bluff.

  37. Emoney says: Oct 1, 2009 11:03 AM

    Move to LA! Minnesota doesn’t deserve to have a football team. They don’t even fill up their own stadium. They’re almost as bad as Jacksonville.

  38. purple haze harvin says: Oct 1, 2009 11:04 AM

    Can someone find out how much tax revenue the state of Minnesota receives by having the Vikings in state? And/Or how much the state would lose by letting the Vikings go?

  39. GoBrowns19 says: Oct 1, 2009 11:09 AM

    Guys, it’s just the way it is. Owners and others with ALOT of money have normal citizens by the balls. It happens in the government and in businesses. If you want a football team, pass the tax. Believe me, if an owner says he’ll move a team if you don’t pass a stadium bill, you better pay attention. Modell moved the Browns the day before we PASSED a new stadium tax. But he was so mad at the mayor for not doing it sooner that it made no difference. If you want football, pass the tax. Quit being such tightwads…How much will it cost you a year, like $100? That’s how much a good night at the bar costs. Just stay home one night instead of going out and your team is paid for for the year.

  40. Emoney says: Oct 1, 2009 11:15 AM

    The L.A. Vikings has a nice ring to it.
    Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

  41. Hauschild says: Oct 1, 2009 11:15 AM

    Spend some coin you cheap Finlanders!!!
    Good Lord, what kind of an idiot would throw away everything that goes along with having an NFL football team? Not to mention calling it “wasteful” when there are a plethora of government programs that are disgustingly more wasteful – especially with that fruit loop in as the Governor now.
    Sheesh?!?!?

  42. THE REAL says: Oct 1, 2009 11:23 AM

    Ask Dallas County! They had the cowboys for over 25 yeras but were not willing to help pay for a new stadium,but tarrant county did! Now the dallas cowboys are in arlington,tx. and all the revenue that dallas could have had is now in tarrant.More hotels were built more people were put to work, we will now for the first time host the SUPER BOWL along with final 4 in basketball and a lot of college football games as well as big concerts and scocer! A very dumb move by the people of dallas,don’t be another dallas and lose your team fight for them! You have a very good football team as normal now back them with a new staduim. vote on if need be we did and look what it got us!! good luck,but i’d hate to see you lose your team but if you don’t work with them you will.

  43. mixman34 says: Oct 1, 2009 11:30 AM

    “VoxVeritas says: October 1, 2009 10:56 AM
    Let them move. Minnesota will never ever ever get another NFL team and they’ll all have to become Packer fans. Maybe the Twins will move too.”
    You dipshit don’t you get it? I’d rather join the Taliban. The Vikes move…. the NFL will be dead to me.

  44. T-Money says: Oct 1, 2009 11:31 AM

    To LarryBird18:
    What is the matter with you…did Mommy not hug you enough when you were little?
    If you don’t like this or any other website that much, then just don’t log on to them. It is not necessary or appropriate to make comments about Florio’s, or nayone else’s family. Most people can enjoy some good natured joking but you are way over the top. Take your anger somewhere else.

  45. hayward giablommi says: Oct 1, 2009 11:31 AM

    “Robert Kraft did it right when he said I’ll pay for the stadium and you pay for the surrounding infrastructure. That is how a businessman partners with government. Mr Kraft gets a profitable Stadium and local business gets more business.”
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Kraft did do it right by spending his own $$ for the stadium, but in my opinion, that’s where it ends.
    Now we have a stadium that looks nice on TV, but sucks for the people who actually go to the games, the real, non bandwagon fan is squeezed out unless you’re willing to cough up $250+ for lower bowl seats and pay $40 to park and walk a mile or more to the stadium. Add to that Gillette is a nightmare to get in and out of, made worse by the addition of Patriot Place, with its restaurants and hotel space, will actually squeeze out local businesses.
    Others may disagree with me, but I think it’s a lose-lose situtation for fans and many local businesses in Foxboro.

  46. texasPHINSfan says: Oct 1, 2009 11:32 AM

    why doesn’t minny just step up and help pay for a stadium? if they’re doing it for the other local professional sports teams, why not do it for the most popular & successful local franchise?
    if minny loses the vikes, they deserve it.
    moving to LA would be automatic death for the vikes though – i think that market has proven they don’t care to support a pro NFL franchise.

  47. Supersuckers says: Oct 1, 2009 11:33 AM

    I think they should sell some stock. Right Chickenfoot?

  48. Chickenfoot says: Oct 1, 2009 11:41 AM

    For those of you that care about reality, read this link: it’s dated March 24th 2009.
    http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/1690/los-angeles-offers-no-stadium-leverage
    That should put to rest any BS regarding the Vikings moving.
    I don’t expect this to stem the tide of inane blather from Packer fans and that asshat Vox.
    It’s interesting what a little research can do for your posts.
    I think I’ll believe the Commisoner over florio on this one.

  49. SpartaChris says: Oct 1, 2009 11:42 AM

    Nevisyakker says:
    October 1, 2009 10:07 AM
    The cost of building the stadium will largely go into the local construction and supply industries, all of which are economically starved at the moment. On-going, you have tax income for the state, a certain amount of tourism benefit to the Twin Cities area, the high profile publicity that only the NFL can bring, and so on. Building a new stadium isn’t a “give-away” to a rich guy from New York, it is a prudent business choice that would pay immediate and long term benefits.
    =====================================
    Exactly, and well said. It’s a shame most people can’t see past the short term marginal increase and look at the longer term benefits.

  50. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Oct 1, 2009 11:43 AM

    Here’s the deal. The purple fans do not buy out the stadium, the games have been on TV for the last 2 years because of corporate welfare. The owner is from NY, people in MN do not like outsiders so no soup for ziggy. Here is the real deal, if MN decided to build the stadium they would ask ziggy to buck up many millions to help build a stadium. If Ziggy moves to LA he moves into a new stadium that he didn’t invest a dime in, the value of the franchise doubles and he sells. MN does not support a franchise now, and the team will move, and the fans deserve it.

  51. Tdk24 says: Oct 1, 2009 11:45 AM

    Are you sure that their defense is still stifling as you put it? Too bad our minor league team the Twins built a new stadium that only holds 30,000 or so. Maybe the vikes can rent out the new Gopher stadium for home games.

  52. Emoney says: Oct 1, 2009 11:46 AM

    mixman34 says:
    October 1, 2009 11:30 AM
    “VoxVeritas says: October 1, 2009 10:56 AM
    Let them move. Minnesota will never ever ever get another NFL team and they’ll all have to become Packer fans. Maybe the Twins will move too.”
    You dipshit don’t you get it? I’d rather join the Taliban. The Vikes move…. the NFL will be dead to me.
    Actually, if you look back in history, before Minnesota got their own team, Minnesota residents were primarily Packer fans. Don’t believe me? Look it up. You’ll be surprised.

  53. BobG says: Oct 1, 2009 11:47 AM

    The biggest reason for the people being against the new stadium, as I see it, is the dipshit head coach. He has all the personality of a mud fence and the coaching ability to go along with it. He’s the face of the Vikings and as such, he’s what people equate with when they think of the Vikings. The Vikings have the same vanilla offense with better players. They should have put the 49’ers away last weekend but Childress kept SF in it up until the end. Get rid of Childress, hire Dungy or Gruden and the problem of the stadium will solve itself.

  54. Rush2112 says: Oct 1, 2009 11:54 AM

    I’m sure Childress will be gone by the time this gets or doesn’t get done…..
    What I’m wondering is if the Vikes move to LA if they would still be in the NFC North.

  55. whatthehellisgoingonoutthere says: Oct 1, 2009 12:02 PM

    The Vikings fans are the most fairweather fans you will ever meet. Living in Minneapolis, I can attest to that. They won’t part with their $$$ watch their team when it’s a home playoff game, so why would they want to chip in for a new stadium?
    The funny thing is……once they move to LA, they’ll be pissed off and direct their anger at the politicians who didn’t support a new stadium. That’s the mentality around here from these fairweather bandwagon fans. The metrodump will be turned into a full time monster truck venue when they move to LA.

  56. Dewey ActSwooned says: Oct 1, 2009 12:02 PM

    Listen, we all know the fair-weather nature of Queens fans, so a move wouldn’t mean anything to them.
    Sure, there’d be a bunch of sound & fury for a while, but Stuart Smalley would soothe their emotional boo-boos and they’d be backing to braiding each other’s hair into pigtails and blowing each other’s horns in no time.
    Hell, they’re already rooting for their one-time greatest mortal enemy as their new Lord & Savior (who also happens to be passing to their other mortal enemy’s former #1 WR).
    So shipping the Dikes out and letting them all become Packer fans is really no big deal at all–it’s as natural as the inevitable disappointing collapse of each Viking season. I’m sure they’ll find other purple helmets to polish.
    Besides, no matter where they are–I’m sure they’ll always have the potential to go 0-5, maybe even 0-6. Hell, 0-9!! When it comes to colossal disappointment and failure for the Dikings, sky’s the limit!
    And the Purple Fairy fans will adjust–it’s easy to be flexible when you have no spine.

  57. SpartaChris says: Oct 1, 2009 12:08 PM

    Chickenfoot says:
    October 1, 2009 11:41 AM
    For those of you that care about reality, read this link: it’s dated March 24th 2009.
    http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/1690/los-angeles-offers-no-stadium-leverage
    That should put to rest any BS regarding the Vikings moving.
    I don’t expect this to stem the tide of inane blather from Packer fans and that asshat Vox.
    It’s interesting what a little research can do for your posts.
    I think I’ll believe the Commisoner over florio on this one.
    =====================================
    That’s funny because the Commissioner did an interview here on AM570 right as the pre-season got under way and said the league WANTED a team in LA.
    Times change man. Perhaps at the time it wasn’t a priority but maybe it is now.
    Until something actually happens, it’s all speculation anyway.

  58. sdigre says: Oct 1, 2009 12:12 PM

    Retro-fit the existing stadium. They’ve done it all over the country. It’s football only now, so there is more freedom to modify.
    1. extend the existing suites into the top 4 rows of the lower bowl. this would allow for 2 rows of leather suite seating. re-do the suite interiors.
    2. Suspend 4-video screens from a new support structure over mid-field OR put 2 big video screens in at top level end-zones. yes, lose some capacity. who cares.
    3. replace all seats, 4″ wider. (would alleviate some leg room issues, sort-of). yes, lose some seating capacity. who cares. raise prices.
    4. extend the building structure out to where the existing ‘red’ support beams are. this would expand the interior concourse. existing support beams may run down the middle of the wider concourse. who cares.
    5. triple the bathrooms in the expanded concourse
    6. in the larger lower expanded concourse, level 1, which would be wide, put in bars, real concessions, pro-shops, etc.
    $300 million.

  59. firerose617 says: Oct 1, 2009 12:23 PM

    I live in Minnesota, why can’t some of this new sales tax increase money be used towards the new stadium?
    On July 1st, the Constitutional Amendment passed by Minnesota voters last November to raise the sales tax goes into effect. The increased sales tax will collect over $11 billion, which will be dedicated to the arts, outdoor entertainment, and cultural heritage.

  60. Duan says: Oct 1, 2009 12:28 PM

    first and foremost, why don’t they get the balls and build an outdoor stadium like the Golden Gophers of the the University of Minnesota!?
    What a bunch of wimps to not play in the elements. They will never bring a superbowl to a northern city again! Especially after the dirt slop in Detroit!

  61. Chickenfoot says: Oct 1, 2009 12:28 PM

    Gerbilinyourass:
    It’s classic that the last post I stated it’s funny what a little research does for your posts.
    Sunday, 26 July 2009 07:52
    The state of football in Minnesota is “conflicted,” as we wait not only for Brett Favre’s decision to come out of retirement/join the Vikings — but also how politicians react to the sports facilities commission’s desire to rebuild the Metrodome.
    Team owner Zygi Wilf offered to chip in $250 million (of an estimated $950 million) towards a new stadium, with the balance to be paid by taxpayers. The Pioneer Press quoted a few pol reactions:
    http://freedomdogs.com/news-archive-mainmenu-2/72-minnesota-news-and-topics/3954-political-football-new-vikings-metrodome.html
    Gerbilinyourass: Don’t you EVER get tired of looking like a jagoff on this site?
    No research, no nothing just your idiotic blather.
    You are furiously moving your way up the charts of being the most idiotic poster ever on here.
    I’d be ashamed to be on this site anymore if i were you. How do you make it through a day with your life intact?

  62. VoxVeritas says: Oct 1, 2009 12:29 PM

    “It’s interesting what a little research can do for your posts.
    I think I’ll believe the Commisoner over florio on this one.”
    Ummm remember when Pete Rozelle said no way the Raiders would be allowed to move to LA? He was backed up 22-0 by the other owners with 5 abstaining. Yeah how’d that work out? Not only did Davis move his team, he was awarded 35 million 1982 dollars in damages. And that was Pete Fricking Rozelle with the unanimous backing of the voting owners standing in Davis’s way. If Wilf wants to move the Vikings to LA, there’s nobody in the world that can stop him. I’m not sure that anybody would even try after that epic anti-trust ass-whipping that Al laid on the NFL.

  63. Chickenfoot says: Oct 1, 2009 12:35 PM

    Sparta: They want an expansion team there, not an exisiting team.
    Times change? In 6 months? ummm. ok…….
    Article is dated march of THIS YEAR.
    I see Dewey’s posts haven’t changed at all.
    Dewey, it took you that long to figure out how to get back on? Or, did you jsut have to wait til the bears had a winning record?
    You have some fierce competition for the worst poster on this site, I’m not worried though, I have faith in your idiocy.
    What the hell is in your ass:
    How many times are you going to cut and paste the same post?
    We get it, you live in the twin cities, you hate the Vikings. S.O.S. out of you.
    Why don’t you come back when you have something relevant to add. That should be in about 15 years,

  64. Twiz says: Oct 1, 2009 12:36 PM

    Think about this for just a second…..and read the link Chickenfoot provided…….
    Yes, the NFL wants a team in LA. Are they gonna do it any time soon, nope, not gonna happen, ESPECIALLY not with the Vikings.
    Look at the financial information. LA has already lost two teams, why would they put a third in place with the current financial situation the Vikings are in. Possible/potential blackouts are not even a factor. The money various corporations donate for tickets are set aside each year in case it is needed. If not used, they donate it elsewhere.
    Win the super bowl or not, the Vikings are NOT going anywhere. Ppl (meaning Florio) need to think just a lil bit before they post trash such as this!

  65. Supersuckers says: Oct 1, 2009 12:36 PM

    sdigre
    the concourses at that dump suck. Need 3 times more bathrooms in the dump. The dump needs a complete sound system overhaul and new video system. I dont understand why Jones put a big hdtv over the field. fans in the upper level might as well just watch the big tv. Then they are going to figure out that this is the same as watching at home. Dont get it Jerry. I like your idea with the suites. Would have to do something about tthe dumps obstructed view seats in the upper level. I agree. Its football only now (unless the gophers play baseball there??????-I cant imagine they do) renovate the dump with pro shops restaurants etc. Best idea I have heard because actually as the dump sits now if you are between the 20’s in the lower level its a fine place to watch a football game. But it overall it is a dump.

  66. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Oct 1, 2009 12:37 PM

    http://www.startribune.com/local/63106317.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiU9PmP:QiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU
    Is this “significant business announcement” regarding the push for a stadium?

  67. wplus says: Oct 1, 2009 12:38 PM

    Minnesotans are so cheap. Remember when all the teams and venues played under the Dump (Twins, Gophers, Vikings, Wolves, Monster Truck Rallies) I mean Dome. And they were proud of it !!! Hey move to L.A. – I can always watch the games on satellite. Better than watching it in that stadium.

  68. jj jones says: Oct 1, 2009 12:42 PM

    “evilboy128 says:
    October 1, 2009 10:05 AM
    and to me, This AND the Chargers moving to LA, ALWAYS seemed a more likely possibility than the Jaguars moving to LA. Hell, Ed Roski colored the stadium seats purple and gold in his demo….who do YOU think he was targeting with that little marketing move?”
    Glad to see somebody gets it. Teams don’t move because of blackouts. They move because of stadium issues. See: Cleveland Browns, Baltimore Colts, Houston Oilers, LA Rams, LA Raiders…

  69. Supersuckers says: Oct 1, 2009 12:45 PM

    The last thing the NFL needs to do is expand. It will be a existing team that moves to LA in my humble opinion.

  70. Chickenfoot says: Oct 1, 2009 12:47 PM

    Vox:
    Not every owner is Al Davis—or Bob irsay for that matter.
    There arearticles all over the net, about Wilf not wanting to move the team. Look it up, I’m not going thru the trouble for you.
    Google: Wilf+ Vikings moving.

  71. crimsonking52 says: Oct 1, 2009 12:49 PM

    Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, Ziggy.

  72. Anarcho Purplism says: Oct 1, 2009 12:56 PM

    I love that when “public money” ie forced theft of a little bit of money from a lot of people via “legislation” is on the table, the argument is always:
    -Either pay the tax or the team moves
    When the mega-rich corportists like Wilf & mega-controllers in government get together…..they are like 2 savage wolves staring at this potential plunder-pool: the tax-paying sheep.
    I like the idea of the government selling the Dome to to the Wilf’s for $1. Then, he can build whatever is sufficient for his enterprise. The NFL & the Wilf’s can work it out.
    We don’t need a whole slew of bars and all the other things. Once you start playing with other people’s money, limitations never seem important.
    Let the Wilf’s own their own facility. Make it harder to walk away from 20 years from now. Let’s not pretend that a mixed use facility is profitable. Oh no….what will the joggers do?
    Still coming up short? Then add a .25 cent per drink/food item tax in downtown only on Saturdays/Sundays. Have 100% of that money sent to the Wilf’s. Once the gap is paid off….drop the tax (please….stop laughing….).
    When a “public good” issues arise, politicians see an opportunity to increase THEIR enterprise. Why is that good for the average guy?
    If you want more money from the community, lets talk about an option of residents becoming shareholders.
    Isn’t that how other companies raise money?

  73. onlineinsite says: Oct 1, 2009 12:58 PM

    GoBrowns19 – Excellent Points! At the end of the day, the amount coming from each person is pretty small. If you look at the Metrodome, it’s almost 30 years old and truly antiquated compared to any other facility with the exception of Oakland. Hey, the Vikes and Twins only played at Met stadium for 20 years!
    Also, Vikes fans, we can’t have it both ways. We scream if someone like McCombs doesn’t pay to acquire or keep top talent. But, if someone like Wilf keeps spending aggressively to build a contender, we don’t want to chip in for a stadium?
    As far as the stadium itself, an open-air like TCF makes sense for the Gophers because they only play to November. It’s too damn cold for this fan to attend Dec/Jan games in MN ;-) Also, with a roof, we can host events year round like the Super Bowl which create revenue.

  74. Emoney says: Oct 1, 2009 1:12 PM

    Its okay Viking fans. We’ll take you back as Packer fans once your team abandons you. Jump on board!
    Besides, your team seems to always want our washed up ex-Packer players. You mine as well just root for the actual Packer team.

  75. veistran says: Oct 1, 2009 1:15 PM

    The dump dome needs to go, worst venue in the NFL by far. Heck one of the worst venues in sports.

  76. VoxVeritas says: Oct 1, 2009 1:20 PM

    “Sparta: They want an expansion team there, not an exisiting team.”
    There’s not gonna be any expansion teams for a long while. Even if there were, the Vikings would continue to be a weak link in the NFL chain and that *has* to be addressed one way or another. The NFL has already put the issue on the front burner as indicated by the article you cite.
    “The Vikings are arguably in the worst financial condition of any NFL team as a result of playing in the Metrodome, and the league has made clear that situation can’t continue indefinitely.”
    If you think that a paid-for stadium in LA isn’t a highly attractive bargaining chip for an owner that may be looking to move his team, you’re kidding yourself.

  77. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Oct 1, 2009 1:26 PM

    CS keep talking every time you do you reinforce what the nation thinks of viking fans.

  78. VoxVeritas says: Oct 1, 2009 1:27 PM

    “There arearticles all over the net, about Wilf not wanting to move the team. Look it up, I’m not going thru the trouble for you.”
    No doubt he’d rather stay put, but simple fact is that he’s probably not going to get what he needs to make the Vikings a financially stable organization where he is. The Vikings *will* move at some point barring some huge, unforseen development. Maybe not to LA, but for now that’s the best option. 2 + 2 = 4. Feel free to check my math on that.

  79. GBISFULLOFFATTIES says: Oct 1, 2009 1:29 PM

    I believe a bunch of you are mistaken for how a lot of the “Scandinavians” want this to turn out. Many of us are willing to do whatever it takes to support a new stadium but like a previous poster replied to before was that the timing of all the proposed plans came at the worst possible of times….
    I vote yes, $700 million times
    Jimmy and Bob’s comments again proove their worth to this site, as much as Florio’s lack of reporting….. thanks fellas :D

  80. GBISFULLOFFATTIES says: Oct 1, 2009 1:34 PM

    Emoney says:
    Its okay Viking fans. We’ll take you back as Packer fans once your team abandons you. Jump on board!
    Besides, your team seems to always want our washed up ex-Packer players. You mine as well just root for the actual Packer team.
    ———————————————–
    HAHAHA… WOW!
    Is this really the best “trash talking” you can provide… I think you can leave the ignorance to Bob and Jimmy’s nuts.

  81. MikeF says: Oct 1, 2009 1:37 PM

    Good points, Anarcho Purplism.
    I wouldn’t say that Minnesotans are inherently cheap, either. The state politicans are sickeningly feudalistic, there are ever-decaying roads to maintain (lots of winter weather, remember). And, state taxes are already significantly higher than most states already due to the wealth-distrubution system which supports every Pablo, Juwon and Ahmed who can make his mark on a piece of paper.
    The University got their stadium because of their incestual relationship w/the state government.
    All of you “pass the tax!” 14-year olds, try to appreciate some of the above before you type.

  82. Chickenfoot says: Oct 1, 2009 1:38 PM

    Roski wants 40% of the team that comes.
    Plus he’ll own the stadium.
    I’m not sure any owner would want to go into that scenario.
    That is what the stadium in L.A. is, a chip… nothing more.
    Vikes aren’t going anywhere.

  83. Emoney says: Oct 1, 2009 1:44 PM

    Are you denying it? Longwell, Sharper, Ferguson, Favre. I’m surprised you guys didn’t try picking up Mark Tausher.
    Don’t worry. After this year, we have quite a few free agents for Minnesota to chose from. I’m sure the Vikings will be first in line.
    Minnesota is always trying to keep up with the Packers. You guys win the division last year for the first time in a while, and you act like the Vikings own the division. Keep trying Minnesota…keep trying.

  84. GoBrowns19 says: Oct 1, 2009 1:44 PM

    If the Vikings are on tv (as well as the Saints, Lions {even with Ford Field}, and Falcons) I cannot watch. Watching a football game in a dome on tv is torture. Hell, I went to a Steelers game at old three rivers while the Browns were on hiatus and it was weird…with just the turf instead of grass is what I’m referring to.

  85. GBISFULLOFFATTIES says: Oct 1, 2009 1:48 PM

    “The Vikings are arguably in the worst financial condition of any NFL team as a result of playing in the Metrodome, and the league has made clear that situation can’t continue indefinitely.”
    ———————————————–
    Can’t agree more… The dome is hurting the revenue of the Vikes but once the Twins move out in a week or so, more $$$ will be going straight into Zigi’s accounts. I believe they bring in only 10% of all beer sales currently but next year that ammount jumps up to 90% and who knows for the other concessions. A deal will get done in time and Zigi will wait another year or 2 before a stadium bill becomes finalized. This story is blown out of proportion

  86. purpleguy says: Oct 1, 2009 1:48 PM

    The Vikes ain’t gonna move. The posturing has just started. The governor is trying to get in the presidential parade, so he has to be anti-tax to woo the conservative base necessary run for president (which probably won’t happen by the way).
    The Vikes are actually low in revenue, but that doesn’t mean they are in the worst financial shape. Other than player payroll, they have virtually no overhead costs, unlike the owners that are fronting their share of new stadium infrastructure cost.
    LA is a bargaining chip, no doubt: however, Roski building a spec stadium privately in an economically depressd market isn’t a sure deal, particularly if they’re relying on adjacent property development. And this pay for the stadium privately crap is a joke, as the same whiners will be bitching about the high cost of tickets and seat licenses if that’s the angle.
    Of course, we have to listen to the fair weather fan crap from all the cheeser posters who not only don’t buy season tickets to their own team, but have to live in Minnesota because the home state of the Vikings is the one with decent jobs, decent schools and stuff to do other than chasing deer in the woods and watching the Pack.

  87. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Oct 1, 2009 1:48 PM

    Looks like that big announcement was all about naming rights. Now the field is called “Mall of America field at Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome”.

  88. Emoney says: Oct 1, 2009 1:49 PM

    GBISFULLOFFATTIES says:
    October 1, 2009 1:29 PM
    Jimmy and Bob’s comments again proove their worth to this site, as much as Florio’s lack of reporting….. thanks fellas :D
    ————————————————-
    I love how you trash this site, yet, you’re constantly on here posting.

  89. theravenlives2 says: Oct 1, 2009 1:51 PM

    GoBrowns19 says:
    October 1, 2009 10:59 AM
    There is no reason for the people of Minneapolis NOT to vote for the stadium. We’ve gone through the taxes in Cleveland for three new stadiums over the last 15 years. Once the taxes are in place, you never notice them. Pay a little more for a twelve pack once, and it becomes the norm. Imagine buying that twelver for a little less on a fall Sunday morning to watch the LA Vikings play the Baltimore Ravens. TRUST ME MINNESOTA, LOSING YOUR FOOTBALL IS REALLY IS LIKE LOSING A LOVED ONE ON SOME LEVEL. You may think it would be the end of the world right now, but it’s worse. Look at Cleveland….we got a team back, but it’s the worst run franchise in football. I implore you to pass this because I, as an NFL fan, don’t want the Vikings to leave Minnesota. Too much history. Tarkenton, the Purple People eaters, Ahmad Rashad, the good defensive teams of the 80’s…just pass the damn tax people! Football in L.A. is a waste of time.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Having been on both sides of this issue, I agree with most of what Browns19 wrote (though the folks in Cleveland seem to think the Browns move was the first one). Here’s what happened to us.
    After the Raiders move in 1982, no one here in Baltimore thought for a minute that the NFL would let the Baltimore Colts leave. Guess what? They did, in the middle of the night. It took us 13 years to get another team. We tried to do it the right way and go through expansion, but the NFL (for some idiotic reason) chose Carolina and Jacksonville. Baltimore is twice the football town that Charlotte is, and five times the football town Jacksonville is. Don’t believe me? The Ravens have sold out EVERY regular season game in their history – with PSL’s!
    Baltimore was about to sue the NFL to expand again when the Browns – thanks to the Cleveland area government fell asleep at the switch – dropped into our lap.
    My point is, the NFL is NOT going to expand again anytime soon. The only way football will ever return to the Twin Cities is if an existing team moves there. Rather than bitch AFTER the team moves (like Baltimore and Cleveland did), how about doing something now to keep them from moving? Trust me, like Browns19 said, there’s a hugh void when the team leaves. It’s a black eye for the city and the fans. Do something NOW. If you don’t, you may never see football again.
    P.S. To answer the question I keep seeing of “Why doesn’t Ziggy build it himself,” the answer is HE DOESN’T HAVE TO! Would you spend $700 million dollars when all you have to do is move the team and someone else will do it for you? Trust me, there’s no heart in this. It’s all business. Cash and Carry!

  90. leucas says: Oct 1, 2009 1:51 PM

    Vikings fans won’t go to see a football game in the cold. They just won’t. They barely support the team as is.
    Also, the Vikings would have to, to a certain extent, rebuild their team with guys who play well in the elements. This is still years off, so they could do it somewhat efficiently, but it would require different guys than those who are fast on turf.

  91. Chickenfoot says: Oct 1, 2009 1:55 PM

    Gerbilinyourass: That’s it? Really? Why even post anymore?
    Let’s all sing along with (Buffalo Bill) Carl g.
    He’s got his kimono on, his dink tucked, hair ratted out, and lipstick on:
    ===============
    Ooooooooooooooo
    Ooooooooooooooo
    You told me, I see the rise
    But, it always falls
    I see them come, I see them go
    You say, “All things pass into the night”
    And I say, “Oh no sir I must say you’re wrong
    I must disagree, oh no sir, I must say you’re wrong”
    Won’t you listen to me
    You told me, I’ve seen it all before
    I been there, I’ve seen my hopes and dreams
    Lying on the ground
    I’ve seen the sky just begin to fall
    And you say, “All things pass into the night”
    And I say, “Oh no sir, I must say you’re wrong
    I must disagree, oh no sir, I must say you’re wrong”
    Won’t you listen to me
    [2x]
    Good-bye horses, I’m flying over you
    Good-bye horses, I’m flying over you
    Good-bye horses, I’m flying over you
    Good-bye horses, I’m flying, flying, flying over you
    Ooooooooooooooo
    Ooooooooooooooo
    I can see him now looking at his Rodgers poster:
    Would you do me?
    I’d do me…I’d do me so hard!
    Go away gerbil, you are totally outclassed and out of your leauge.

  92. TheHydraPart3 says: Oct 1, 2009 1:56 PM

    TheHydra thinks Ziggy is going to have no choice but to move the team with that statement the Vikings brass made. How do you pitch your team now?? They are as good as gone Chickenlittle! Your cinnamon swirl responses can’t even save your team now! I love how Queen fans are already talking about a second SuperBowl Title. Laughing so hard TheHydra is!! GSISFULLFOLATES-you are correct that the Vikings are strapped for cash. they didnt have the money to pay Favre like they do the rest of their players. Hes getting paid in lump sums in the future.

  93. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Oct 1, 2009 2:00 PM

    Purpleguy, there is a 38 year wait for season tickets for the Packers. I wouldn’t pop off too much jobs in WI vs MN, there are plenty of jobs in WI, I know of several people who live in WI to escape the taxes of MN. Fact of the matter is that the people who the voters put in office are a bunch of libs who feel that if a stadium is funded by tax $ that means another child in a single parent home will starve. If Glen Taylor owned the team a stadium would be under construction. Ziggy is paying the price for the crap he pulled in Anoka County.

  94. JRLC says: Oct 1, 2009 2:02 PM

    LA wants the Vikings bcuz its more established & has the type of players that will fill the seats, they already run a west coast offense.
    plus after LA & the Lakers it would only make sense to bring the Vikings, purple & gold fits great in LA. i wouldnt rule out the Rams comming back either if they cant get turned around in St.Louis or have more public support

  95. purple hay-seuss says: Oct 1, 2009 2:06 PM

    This is always and only about money, boys. Whether we as fans are willing to pour our own money into tickets, jerseys, $8 beers, idiotic wedges of rubber cheese for hats, etc.
    This game, unfortunately, has become a live entertainment experience for the affluent. I have been to many games, but that was when I lived with mom and dad and dad got access to tickets from business partners or buddies in high places – even that was in the 70s and 80s, when tickets were a crime at $20 or scalped in the parking lot for $30 each. Personally, I’m OK with ‘watching’ the game on NFL.com on the GameCast simulator thing. If I get a shot at local Vikings radio, that’s great, but there are dollars involved there, too. I refuse to watch television, as I can feel my brain shrink by the minute when I do.
    Again, it’s all about money. Ziggy wants his investment to increase, having paid a massive profit to Red. Red made the money Pep and Moss and Robert “iceberg” Smith on the field. He really didn’t care about a new house because he was so damn cheap with his spending on the team. Look that one up.
    Real Estate developers only make money by selling stuff high after buying it cheap. These days, they’re buying, not selling. So Ziggy has to get new digs before selling. Somebody above had that point right. If he has to go to LA, I can’t imagine he’ll own the stadium; he’ll have to get paid with the HUGE increase in fans buying the criminally-priced tickets and merchandise and bagel cheddarwursts. I don’t think Ziggy really gives a damn if the Minnesota Public comes or not. He can get much better growth and hence return on his investment in LA anyway. Stay in Minny, and Ziggy owns a big chunk of a crown jewel in his Real Estate Life’s Work and gets paid every day. He’s banking, I think, on the assumption that Minny fans have so much personally invested in the Vikes that they’ll ultimately agree, through the legislature. Even politicians care about money because it is the blood that flows through the election machine.
    Doing what’s right isn’t on the radar for anyone involved who isn’t a ticket-buying fan. Fans BUY, fans PAY. Owners get paid. Players get paid. Fans PAY. Fans BUY. Because fans PAY, owners and players get paid. Payment is NOT mandatory.

  96. whatthehellisgoingonoutthere says: Oct 1, 2009 2:09 PM

    Of course Wilf has said he doesn’t want to move. It’s called posturing for a new stadium locally. He’s not going to say he wants to move the team and then say please build me a new stadium. Given that the Vikings are dead last in revenue and you have smaller market teams like the Packers and Bills carrying them with revenue sharing, sooner or later he’s going to be forced to move. Jerry Jones essentially called him out on that same fact just a few months ago.
    The bottom line is that the clock is ticking and there’s not a single legislator who supports a new stadium with tax payer money. They needed to break ground yesterday on a new stadium to get it completed by 2012. Zygi appears to be one of the poorer owners in the league given that he had to make an investor cash call to pay Allen’s signing bonus and deferred a lot of Brent’s salary into paying it out next year due to financial concerns.
    He can move the team and it will be worth double overnight. What would you do? Especially when your fairweather fanbase barely buys tickets when they are winning or for a home playoff game for crying out loud.

  97. Chickenfoot says: Oct 1, 2009 2:16 PM

    Emoney:
    For the last time:
    Sharper 2 pro bowls for the Vikings
    Longwell. Can actually make a ” clutch kick” unlike Bing Crosby!
    Turd Ferguson- he was like a 5th Wr. Depth and nothing more.
    Favre played for the Jets last year. He was a FA…from the Jets. We did not get him “from the Packers.
    I don’t care who these guys played for, if they make the team better, which 2/3 did. Who really freaking cares what thier former team was?
    Talk about beating a dead horse!
    Emoney, isn’t recess almost over?
    Don’t you have a big Civics test to study for?

  98. whatthehellisgoingonoutthere says: Oct 1, 2009 2:16 PM

    onlineinsite says: October 1, 2009 12:58 PM
    As far as the stadium itself, an open-air like TCF makes sense for the Gophers because they only play to November. It’s too damn cold for this fan to attend Dec/Jan games in MN ;-) Also, with a roof, we can host events year round like the Super Bowl which create revenue.
    ——————
    Minnesota is no colder than Green Bay, Chicago. One could argue that it’s actually colder there with the wind whipping off the lake. You just dress for it. Although you might be right. If you can’t fill up a dome for home games, having an outdoor stadium would just allow the fairweather fan’s one more excuse not to show up to games.
    Super Bowl would happen in Minneapolis once……maybe. The NFL favors warm weather sites for the SB, so I wouldn’t let that factor into the decision weather to put a dome on it or not.

  99. SpartaChris says: Oct 1, 2009 2:28 PM

    purpleguy says:
    October 1, 2009 1:48 PM
    Of course, we have to listen to the fair weather fan crap from all the cheeser posters who can’t buy season tickets to their own team because the waiting list for season tickets is 100+ years long, while Vikings fans can get them anytime they want but don’t.
    ====================================
    There, I fixed that for ya.

  100. Emoney says: Oct 1, 2009 2:28 PM

    Swap the Rams and Vikings.
    If the Vikings go to LA, it would make sense for them to be in the NFC West. The Rams really don’t belong in that division anymore since they left LA.

  101. kappa08 says: Oct 1, 2009 2:33 PM

    Take it from a town that flipped the bill for rich men’s toys…The value just isn’t there. Sure you love your team and could NEVER think of them leaving. But is that worth your character?
    How dare these millionaires hold a gun to the head of these loyal fans and town to do something for them in these most anxious times. What does that tell you how they TRULY value you?
    Why? For the minimum wage serving jobs a couple hundred people get delivering “wine” to the rich…that is some AWESOME “trickle down”….
    I say call their bluff and force them to put in more than they are getting back at minimum.
    It’s just not worth the money you don’t have and the money your children won’t while they “eat cake”….

  102. Emoney says: Oct 1, 2009 2:46 PM

    Chickenfoot says:
    October 1, 2009 2:16 PM
    Emoney:
    For the last time:
    Sharper 2 pro bowls for the Vikings
    Longwell. Can actually make a ” clutch kick” unlike Bing Crosby!
    Turd Ferguson- he was like a 5th Wr. Depth and nothing more.
    Favre played for the Jets last year. He was a FA…from the Jets. We did not get him “from the Packers.
    Talk about beating a dead horse!
    Emoney, isn’t recess almost over?
    Don’t you have a big Civics test to study for?
    ———————————————–
    Ouch! Did I upset you? That type of response is typical from someone in denial.
    First of all, you DID want Favre AFTER he played for us! Don’t act like you just happened to want him because he was released from the Jets. Your coach is desperate to save his job, and bringing in Favre was his last hope. When he fails at the end of the year, you and the rest of the Viking followers will be kicking yourselves for ever going after him.
    The only player that the Vikings were right on picking up from us was Longwell. To this day, I wish we hadn’t let him go. He was and still is a great kicker. So I’ll give you props on that one. But Sharper was always overrated. Yes he has a lot of picks, but the majority of those were because he just happened to be in the right place when a ball was tipped or a horrible QB threw it up in the air. He’s been burned so many times throughout his career. You should know. He was on your team long enough that you should remember all the times that he was out of position.
    And lastly, your immature response by telling me to go back to class holds no barring. By the way you act, I’m almost positive that you’re half my age. Grow up son.

  103. whatthehellisgoingonoutthere says: Oct 1, 2009 2:48 PM

    Chickenshit,
    Roski wants to BUY at least a 30-40 percent share of an NFL team and move it to the Rose Bowl. That’s a big difference than offering a stadium in return for 30-40% stake in the club. Why don’t you get your facts straight before you act like you know anything.
    http://www.sgvtribune.com/stadium/ci_10386041
    Given that Wilf and his investors would see the value of their team double overnight moving to LA (which is a general consensus of any team that moves there) its not really costing them anything. If the team is worth for round numbers sake $500 million and they sold 30% of that for $150 million, they would be left with owning $350 million of the team. Then move the team to LA and their stake is worth $750 million. I know that math is probably far to advanced for you to comprehend, but in a nutshell it means that the Wilf’s sell 30% of the team and they still come out ahead with a leftover ownership stake that almost doubles in value if you include the $150 million they get from selling off 30%.

  104. TheHydraPart3 says: Oct 1, 2009 2:48 PM

    Chickentender…
    TheHydra thinks when Green Bay wisely told Brett no and started shopping him that Brett was going to just actually retire unless the team he was traded to would give him his unconditional release after one season. Favre told Tannenbaum Ill give you everything I have for one year, then release me. You do that Ill agree to this trade. Why else would the Jets just muthafuken release him? Makes no sense. Queens are going to get serious tampering charges when this is all said and done.

  105. GBISFULLOFFATTIES says: Oct 1, 2009 2:49 PM

    Emoney:
    I love how you trash this site, yet, you’re constantly on here posting.
    ———————————————
    UGH,
    You try oh so hard to bash don’t ya… I’m pretty sure I can count the times I have posted on my toes. That said, the only reason I come to this site is because ESPN is blocked in my office, thanks to a co-worker and his obsession with fantasy football. I can go to tsn.ca for all my hockey news but there a little short on football headlines.
    Anything else mother?

  106. Twiz says: Oct 1, 2009 2:53 PM

    What do you bet Florio doesn’t make a blog bout this:
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4522997
    EDEN PRAIRIE, Minn. — The Mall of America is coming to Minnesota’s Metrodome.
    The mall and the Minnesota Vikings said Thursday they’ve reached a three-year agreement on naming rights to the football field.
    The field will be officially called Mall of America Field at Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome until the team’s lease expires in 2012. Neither party would discuss financial terms.
    It is the second sponsorship in as many weeks for the Vikings, who are trying to find ways to make more money in the nearly 30-year-old facility in Minneapolis. The Vikings are near the bottom of the league in revenue and are trying to get approval for a new downtown stadium.
    The Mall of America is in the southern suburb of Bloomington.
    Ironically, the Vikings’ former home, Metropolitan Stadium, was located where the Mall of America now stands.”
    Pretty much settles the issue of the Vikings moving anytime soon………

  107. SpartaChris says: Oct 1, 2009 3:03 PM

    Jesus Christ I get tired of hearing all the pissing and moaning and whining about rich people. If you want to be rich, do it. Work harder and smarter, get more creative, take the risks and achieve success for yourself. Stop expecting to have it given to you, and stop faulting others who have it. Rather than bitch about other people having more money than you, why don’t you get off your lazy ass and, you know, go earn it for yourself?
    RE: Using taxpayer money for a stadium, using other people’s money to do things is smart business 101. It’s how business has grown and thrived since the dawn of time, and it’s how business is going to continue to grow and thrive. Besides, where do you think home loans, business loans, car loans, etc. all come from? Other people!
    In the end, football is a business. If the voters don’t want to pony up the dollars to build a new stadium, that’s fine. Just don’t complain when the owner has to make a business decision and moves the team to a city who will. That goes for all teams too, not just the Vikings.

  108. Yak says: Oct 1, 2009 3:05 PM

    Move it out of Downtown. The Anoka site was perfect. Zigi and his buch of moron’s screwed that up!!! Go back to Anoka and get it done!!

  109. GBISFULLOFFATTIES says: Oct 1, 2009 4:04 PM

    Yak:
    Move it out of Downtown. The Anoka site was perfect. Zigi and his buch of moron’s screwed that up!!! Go back to Anoka and get it done!!
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    That would be suicide for ticket sales. Most of the season ticket holders come from the southwest burbs “Ep, Edina, Minnetonka, Chaska, Bloomington, Shak ….” If you move the team another 20mins away from the major public whom goes to the games would be stupid as hell. That’s one of the reasons it feel thru. Build over the Dome in 3years, DONE!

  110. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Oct 1, 2009 4:15 PM

    Twiz says:
    October 1, 2009 2:53 PM
    What do you bet Florio doesn’t make a blog bout this:
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4522997
    EDEN PRAIRIE, Minn. — The Mall of America is coming to Minnesota’s Metrodome.
    The mall and the Minnesota Vikings said Thursday they’ve reached a three-year agreement on naming rights to the football field.
    The field will be officially called Mall of America Field at Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome until the team’s lease expires in 2012. Neither party would discuss financial terms.
    It is the second sponsorship in as many weeks for the Vikings, who are trying to find ways to make more money in the nearly 30-year-old facility in Minneapolis. The Vikings are near the bottom of the league in revenue and are trying to get approval for a new downtown stadium.
    The Mall of America is in the southern suburb of Bloomington.
    Ironically, the Vikings’ former home, Metropolitan Stadium, was located where the Mall of America now stands.”
    Pretty much settles the issue of the Vikings moving anytime soon………
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    First off, I posted that news an hour before you. Read the posts, son. Secondly, how does this naming rights deal settle the issue of the Vikings moving? Did it extend their lease with the Metrodome? Nope. Did it make them any more profitable on a game-by-game basis? Nope. Do we even know how much money they made off it? Nope.
    So you’re going to have to explain to us exactly how this naming deal made one bit of difference in the question of the Vikings profitability on a game-by-game basis in regards to their stadium.

  111. sdigre says: Oct 1, 2009 4:17 PM

    Agreed Anoka location was ridiculous and would fail. Keep it downtown.
    Please update all comments to indicate the new name of the stadium. “10/1/09 The agreement states that the field will be called Mall of America Field at Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome for a three-year period beginning October 5, 2009, and ending February 28, 2012.”

  112. Chickenfoot says: Oct 1, 2009 4:23 PM

    Emoney: No, not upset. this is a stress release for me, posting on here.
    Not so sure Sharper was THAT over rated.
    His peers voted him to the Pro Bowl. Yes, I know the fans have a say……
    My recess comment was meant to imply your young age and unoriginality. You’ve posted what 100’s of others have, it’s baseless, and immature.
    Any FA that makes a team better, regardless of former team, you should want that palyer on your team.
    Not wanting a player on the Packers, because he’s a former Viking, not only shows immaturity, it shows shallowness and lack of knowledge.
    You should want your team to be the best they can be. PERIOD!
    Any questions?
    =============
    Next Asshat.
    Whyisyourfingerinyourass:
    Forbes.com states that the Vikings were worth $839 million dollars in 2008.
    If they “double” in value.( Which I’m sure you pulled out of thin air) They’d be worth close to 1.7 billion dollars….really?!
    Why isn’t ANY NFL team jumping at that goldmine?
    It’s not that easy and you know it. Split ownership cause big headaches. Check the Atlanta Hawks situation for starters.
    He gets a stadium in Minnesota, the value goes up, and he gets to keep ALL of it.
    Hell if your numbers were correct, there is a line of teams ahead of the Vikes( 2011 lease) that should snatch it up bfore Wilf had a chance.
    Your numbers and math are bogus: and you know it.
    ===========
    Hydra 3.0
    What?
    Youre an idiot under 3 different aliases.
    Tampering? Where were you last year?
    Obviously, you dont understand the rule, and that the NFL looked into, minnesota was cleared.
    Hey by the way, did you hear?
    WE LANDED ON THE MOON!!!

  113. whatthehellisgoingonoutthere says: Oct 1, 2009 5:20 PM

    Chickenshit,
    The Redskins are worth $1.4 billion according to Forbes magazine and a big reason is their stadium component of their valuation. How hard is it to believe that in a much bigger market with people with much deeper pockets like LA and the most favorable stadium/ownership arrangement possible that a team there wouldn’t be $300 million more than the Redskins located in DC?
    You’re logic is so warped it’s almost a waste of time for people to point it out to you. I almost feel bad for your stupidity and ignorance. Going through life must be hard for you….

  114. footballrulz says: Oct 1, 2009 6:12 PM

    SpartaChris–Ain’t it great that your scenario cannot/will not happen with the Pack?

  115. Chickenfoot says: Oct 1, 2009 8:31 PM

    Dumbass:
    Getting a stadium in Minnesota, with out having to give up 30-40% ownership is morfavorable than having to put up with another owner.
    He reaps ALL the benefit without having to share anything. Th damn team is worth nrarly 900 million with the worst stadium revenue in the league. How much do you think a new stadium in Minnesota would be worth to him?
    As I said and you chose to ignore, if it’s such a great deal, why aren’t the Chargers, Raiders or any other team jumping at it?
    Why doesn’t someone buy the Rams and move them back?
    Got any answers? Thought so.
    What about the assignment I gave you, did you read up on the Hawks and the BS they go through with multiple owners?
    If this deal is the goose that laid the golden egg, someone would have been all over this by now.
    Way to copy my going through life comment Mr Originality.
    I’m flattered that you copy me, but it is a pale imitation.
    Asshat

  116. Philtration says: Oct 1, 2009 9:36 PM

    # Rush2112 says: October 1, 2009 11:54 AM
    What I’m wondering is if the Vikes move to LA if they would still be in the NFC North.
    —————————————————-
    No. They can just swap the Rams and Vikings and it all works out.
    St. Louis is closer to Chicago and Detroit than Minneapolis is anyway.
    If the Viking fans won’t support the team anyway then what are they bitching about?
    You can still see them on T.V. just like you do right now.

  117. ryanskapa says: Oct 2, 2009 8:29 AM

    They don’t need a dome anymore. The 70s Ice Age is long gone.

  118. Supersuckers says: Oct 2, 2009 11:17 AM

    Mall of America Field? I thought that was a joke!! Man o man the Vikings organization is really strapped for cash. They can’t pay Favre conventionally. I hope they get a stadium or a remodel or I don’t know how they can make it.

  119. Gus says: Oct 10, 2009 3:51 PM

    I think this thread alone shows why the Vikings are a popular team and deserve a new stadium.

  120. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Oct 12, 2009 12:07 PM

    They deserve a new stadium because 122 (now 123) comments were posted on this thread on PFT.
    Excellent comment!

  121. Beer Cheese Soup says: Oct 12, 2009 1:46 PM

    Adam-Chris Scheftersen says:
    They deserve a new stadium because 122 (now 123) comments were posted on this thread on PFT.
    Excellent comment!
    ___________________
    LOL Right on.. I love it. Not to mention, 75% of those (now) 124 posts were actually ANTI-Viking. Print this out and take it to your state legislature Gus. See where it gets you.
    ___________________
    Listen Viking fans, you can’t have it both ways. NO team wants to play professional sports in an oversized inflatable funhouse. The Gophers left, the Twins are leaving, and, believe it or not, the Vikings WILL leave, it’s just a matter of time.
    If you think they’ll stay in that dump just because of the tradition, history and/or fans, ask Cleveland how that worked for them. If you aren’t willing to pay to keep them, you will lose them, and you won’t know what you’re missing until it’s too late.
    No matter what, the Vikings are getting a new stadium soon. It’s up to you to decide where that stadium is.

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