Comments on: Jags rolling over the Titans, thanks to questionable replay call

By: obscenery

obscenery — Tue, 06 Oct 2009 12:18:54 +0000

Come on, man. How many times are you going to try and make this language sound more complicated than it is.
He had three feet down!
The rule you’re describing is when a player is catching a pass IN THE ACT of going to the ground. Watch the catch again. He catches the ball, one foot, two foot, starts being pulled to the ground, third foot, lands on defender, ball comes out.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d813212ce/Sims-Walker-s-2nd-TD-catch
You’re telling me that with a legal background you can’t find indisputable evidence to prove based on the NFL rules that Sims Walker caught a TD pass on that play???
wow.

By: Jones-Drew32

Jones-Drew32 — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:58:45 +0000

Step 1: Left foot down
Step 2: Right foot down
Step 3: Left foot, after being lifted up, down again
Step 4: Left elbow down
Step 5: Sims-Walker lands on top of McCourty
Step 6: McCourty punches ball out of Sims-Walker’s hands
I don’t have a rulebook, so I don’t know how the sequence of events works here. But that’s the entire play.
@Zebra Blog has a nice description on his link. Riveron’s explanation was awful.

By: Zebra Blog

Zebra Blog — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 22:05:46 +0000

It’s a touchdown the same reason why the Jones TD was upheld. Just because he lands on a player does not mean he hasn’t gone to the ground. We are confusing “down by contact” rules in here.
The description is terrible by Riveron and all it did was spark conspiracy theories. See my take on it at:
http://www.footballzebras.com/2009/10/04/378
@keepjagsinjax: the “football move” no longer is part of the rules to determine the catch.

By: leatherneck

leatherneck — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 21:26:20 +0000

Looking forward to hearing the NFL’s official explanation of this. I hope Pereira goes over it in his weekly video.
Unlike certain bloggers, I have an open mind. I would like to hear if there is some explanation for this ruling.

By: keepjagsinjax

keepjagsinjax — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 19:54:51 +0000

Wow. He made the catch had three steps, a football move, and was then stripped by the defender. They made the right call. It was a touchdown.

By: JagMania65

JagMania65 — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 19:37:08 +0000

Maybe you sould actually see the play before you run your stupid mouth about it…
The replay official said the receiver caught the ball, kept control of it until he and the defender landed on the ground. After they hit the ground, the defender slapped the ball out of the receiver’s hands. Key word, after…
And at that point of the game, the correct headline would have been, “Jags rolling over Titans thanks to Jag’s D forcing the Titans to go 3 and out in their first three possessions”. But that would have been responsible writing…

By: elroy

elroy — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 18:47:56 +0000

If Florio can’t see a clear difference between this play and the one in week 1 it shows why he wasn’t smart enough to get into a better law school than WVU. For someone who blogs so much about football, Florio sure knows little about the sport and its rules.

By: Ruger88

Ruger88 — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 18:39:31 +0000

Your a moron Florio…your articles always suck…

By: claytonbigsby

claytonbigsby — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:47:12 +0000

The real story here is that the Titans could go 0- 4!

By: Seeryer

Seeryer — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:46:36 +0000

Florio,
The Jags still would have been rolling the Titans even if the call was wrong. It would have been 23-3 instead of 27-3 at halftime. Take your Jag and Garrard hate and stick it up your arse!!

By: Sara

Sara — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:31:36 +0000

did you watch the replay?? his elbow went down BEFORE the ball was popped out..easy call – TOUCHDOWN!

By: fooman

fooman — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:26:48 +0000

So why is this a story? 20-3 isnt rolling over the titans? Florio why do you hate the jags so much? Its obvious you do now by reading this story…

By: LiveNBreatheFootball

LiveNBreatheFootball — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:14:55 +0000

This rule is causing more trouble than the problem for which it was invented to correct. It definitely needs to be reviewed and clarified. It is still far to subjectively applied.

By: ATLien

ATLien — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:11:56 +0000

My fantasy team isn’t complaining LOL

By: bleachertees

bleachertees — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:08:34 +0000

mike, sims-walker never went to the ground since he was on top of the defender, so this rule isn’t applicable.
what is the cut-off for a player to go to the ground after catching the ball?

By: md

md — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:03:44 +0000

Thanks for continuing to harp on this. The league is becoming a joke because of all the inconsistency and obfuscation. It allows the NFL to dictate the outcome of games — that is, call any play however they want at any given moment and still justify it — far too much.
Meanwhile, over in the Raiders-Texans game, L. Murphy again makes a catch on a key third down play that is called a non-catch. He caught it squarely, got one foot in, and clearly dragged the other along the turf before lifting it and stepping out of bounds. The official on the field immediately ruled it a catch. Then, quite some time later, the official reversed himself and called it no catch. The Raiders challenged, and it was upheld as no catch, with no explanation given.
Ridiculous.
Later a Raiders defender is tagged with unsportsmanlike for dropping to his knees and lifting his arms to the air following the interception he made. When has this EVER been unsportsmanlike?
Yes, Raiders fans are paranoid, and the officials aren’t the only reason our team is bad right now. But it certainly doesn’t help, and one call can turn the tide of a game (in the case of the Murphy call above, it was incredibly deflating to the whole team).
And the fact that we’re paranoid doesn’t mean that the league (or at least certain officials therein) isn’t out to get us.

By: Tdk24

Tdk24 — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:54:40 +0000

BS call.

By: outamojo

outamojo — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:53:21 +0000

Louis Murphy got robbed again.

By: dbs

dbs — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:51:56 +0000

Florio, this guy Riveron is a joke of an official. His crew is the worst out there. The calls from this crew are a disgrace.

By: SpartaChris

SpartaChris — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:51:31 +0000

So what you’re saying is either the Raiders got screwed in week one or this was a bad call.
I’ll be interested to see what Pereira has to say on this weeks “Official Review.”

By: IWanttoPunchFloriointheFace

IWanttoPunchFloriointheFace — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:50:43 +0000

He’s already been on the wrong end of the call – the Jacoby Jones’ non-TD touchdown…haven’t you figured it out Flowerio, it’s a TD when it’s NOT the Raiders – otherwise it’s not a TD.

By: Jeff Smith

Jeff Smith — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:49:22 +0000

He made the catch, got both feet down on the ground, made a football move, then was dragged to the ground by the defender. After he hit landed on top of the Titans player, the ball popped out.
Reception and touchdown.

By: BeezAtUT

BeezAtUT — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:47:44 +0000

That’s the twice in three games one of these “questionable” calls has gone against the Titans.
Not that it really matters. The Titans are playing like garbage. They look terrible.
However, I would like to see consistency out of the officiating regarding this matter. To me this is no different than the Louis Murphy non-touchdown.
Under the old rules, the catch by Sims-Walker is obviously a catch. Under the new rules, it obviously shouldn’t be.
However, apparently it is a catch.