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Roman Oben speaks out against potential Limbaugh ownership of Rams

The interest of radio host Rush Limbaugh in purchasing the St. Louis Rams has sparked plenty of debate.

Former NFL lineman Roman Oben, who spent 12 years as a tackle in the NFL, has stated his own position on the matter in an opinion piece for the Washington Post.

In four paragraphs, Oben captures the tone and content of the arguments that will emerge if Limbaugh’s bid gains momentum.

In the end, it will be for Chip Rosenbloom and Lucia Rodriguez to decide whether to sell their stake in the team to Limbaugh and Dave Checketts, owner of the NHL’s St. Louis Blues.  And then it will be for the owners to approve the transaction.  Or not.

Regardless of how it all turns out, we predict a level of volume and rancor that could be pro sports’ equivalent to the health-reform town hall meetings.

And we’ll continue to provide a vehicle here for everyone who wants to voice their own views to do so.

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164 Responses to “Roman Oben speaks out against potential Limbaugh ownership of Rams”
  1. danlinker says: Oct 7, 2009 8:30 PM

    Must not have been enough hits on the first article about this. So Florio stirs the pot.

  2. bearsrule says: Oct 7, 2009 8:31 PM

    Let’s not forget his “Barack the Magic Negro” song he wrote. I can’t imagine any African American free agents wanting to help him win and make money. Rush would call it collusion against our freedoms.

  3. a sensible person says: Oct 7, 2009 8:31 PM

    Is he a rams fan? You wrote before that he is a “zealous football fan”, but that can only be true if he has a real favorite team.
    I believe he used to work for the KC royals, so maybe he is from MO and is actually a rams fan.
    I still think he’s a retard/bad person, but i dont think i have a problem with him co-owning a team. Even if it was my team, I wouldnt protest if he was a real fan.

  4. Kage10 says: Oct 7, 2009 8:35 PM

    Yeah, Limbaugh will be a good model of an owner – drug addict. Wish someone had more money than him to shut his damn mouth.

  5. tj.52 says: Oct 7, 2009 8:35 PM

    Oben sounds as if he has a problem with the color of Limbaugh’s skin.
    Why wouldn’t you want a guy who made himself a multi-millionaire, knows everything about branding and promotion and has tons of contacts taking over a floundering NFL franchise?
    Oben is why the patients should never be allowed to run the asylum.

  6. Desides says: Oct 7, 2009 8:36 PM

    “an opinion piece for the Washington Post.”
    Well, that’s the problem for Mr. Oben: Limbaugh is one of many bidding to buy the St. Louis Rams, a franchise not based in Washington.

  7. east96street says: Oct 7, 2009 8:36 PM

    I still say it would be hysterical to watch him and Jerry Jones compete for the spotlight. For that reason alone, it should be passed unanimously. Snyder, Limbaugh, Jones – the more performers, the better the show.

  8. nfcbeast says: Oct 7, 2009 8:37 PM

    If Limbaugh gets part ownership expect him to be following injured players like a vulture….waiting for a pain killer to fall out of their pockets. Heck, He might personally take them to the pharmacy to fill their prescriptions!

  9. Wolframpau says: Oct 7, 2009 8:37 PM

    Oben’s the chairman for the local Democratic Party in Kinnelon, New Jersey. What else would you expect from him?

  10. ☻☼CBS, FOX, ESPN, NFLN nbc says: Oct 7, 2009 8:42 PM

    I don’t see what the big deal is if Limbaugh wants to buy a team.

  11. Jonathan says: Oct 7, 2009 8:42 PM

    What a joke, Florio Olbermann. Do you plan on posting a link to EVERY person that speaks out against Limbaugh as an NFL owner? Ass clown Roben sounds high and mighty from his tower, but he’s a damned hypocrite, too. It’s all about the money. Limbaugh has it–and who wouldn’t want an owner willing to pay whatever it takes to win?? Why not put a post up about how many of the owners are huge republican contributors–and then show the lack of any effect it has on people desiring to play for the team. There is no effect. People don’t want to play for bad owners or cheap teams (i.e., Al Davis)–but the players don’t care about the owner’s politics–it’s about how much will he pay me as a player, and how classy do we get treated as player.

  12. TheWizard says: Oct 7, 2009 8:45 PM

    Let’s not forget his “Barack the Magic Negro” song he wrote.
    Again, ignorance on parade.
    Look into who originated that.
    Wasn’t Rush.

  13. Karen Rodgers Mom says: Oct 7, 2009 8:51 PM

    As if we need another reason to dump on the Rams, haven’t they been through enough ? Who’s going to be his GM Glenn ( I have a little pecker) Beck ?

  14. BX says: Oct 7, 2009 8:51 PM

    I could care less about Limbaugh’s political beliefs. As polarizing as he is as a person, I think he’d make a good NFL owner. He clearly knows how to generate revenue and has a passion for the game.
    I do question his ability to keep his political agenda away from the NFL though. You really won’t know until you put him in the driver’s seat.

  15. Bigguy says: Oct 7, 2009 8:52 PM

    If he does buy the Rams that will mean they will have back to back racists for owners!!

  16. rolltide says: Oct 7, 2009 8:54 PM

    I love how everybody who has posted a “rush limbaugh drug addict” post in all 12 of the rush related threads seems to find it uniquely funny.

  17. this class sucks says: Oct 7, 2009 8:54 PM

    It wasn’t rush that wrote it but the point still stands that he sang it mockingly on his show. The word ‘Negro’ is offensive and Rush exploited that to boost ratings. Right Wingers that love Rush are idiots he doesn’t even believe half of what he says, he’s in it for the money. Now Glenn Beck theres a wacko.

  18. PirateFreedom says: Oct 7, 2009 8:55 PM

    tj.52 says: October 7, 2009 8:35 PM
    Oben sounds as if he has a problem with the color of Limbaugh’s skin.
    I don’t know if your a troll or a moron.
    People have trouble with the content of Limbaughs character, his color isn’t different than that of other prospective owners who don’t engender negative response.
    I would also like to point out that Rush’s race baiting isn’t the only aspect of his disgusting clown act that rational people object to.

  19. ChiefsNfl says: Oct 7, 2009 8:56 PM

    All politics aside, if he has the money to buy and upkeep the Rams, then he is not better or worse than any other potential buyer. Plus, he is from Missouri. It gets old having someone own a team who is not even from the State or lives in the State that the team resides in.

  20. slipkid says: Oct 7, 2009 8:57 PM

    oben can make his own offer.
    oops, the nj dem party dude only plays with OPM (other peoples’ money)!

  21. DocBG says: Oct 7, 2009 8:59 PM

    # bearsrule says: October 7, 2009 8:31 PM
    Let’s not forget his “Barack the Magic Negro” song he wrote. I can’t imagine any African American free agents wanting to help him win and make money. Rush would call it collusion against our freedoms.
    ——————————————————
    You are a moron to believe that crap. Barack was called that first by the los angles times Link below:
    http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-ehrenstein19mar19,0,3391015.story
    Perhaps if you read the date on the article, you’ll see it was written WELL before ANY mention of the term by limbaugh. Get a clue, you do know that chicago isn’t called the windy city because of the weather right? Its because of your loud mouths blowing the hot air…..
    Limbaugh should be allowed to own the team, he’s successful in business, and thats what good football teams are, a business. Also, to the idiots still dragging him over the coals for an addiction to pain killers that happened years ago, move on you losers. He admited the mistake, and corrected it. It was something that he started using to recover from a surgery, so get over yourselves allready and go back to worshiping B.O.

  22. Buccaboo says: Oct 7, 2009 9:00 PM

    Team Owner= Master
    Player=Slave
    Only in America can Limbaugh live out this dream.
    This guy should be black-balled. He will be as bad for the NFL as he is for the United States of America.

  23. Pauly1620 says: Oct 7, 2009 9:03 PM

    Mr. Oben:
    You’re as big of a tool as Keith Olbermann. It is obvious you have never listened to Mr. Limbaugh’s show, and even more obvious that your ignorance is only equaled by your arrogance.

  24. truthhurts says: Oct 7, 2009 9:03 PM

    All you Rush Limbaugh haters:
    If you ever listened to his radio program, you would know his favorite team is the Steelers.
    And you would know he is not a racist, rather a realist. I’m guessing your vile comments are based on uninformed opinion rather than truth. Have your even listened to his program?
    Also, much of his commentary is “tongue in cheek” and your quoting him on certain of his humor indicates a lack of intelligence and a lack of humor.
    If allowed to buy the Rams, he would in all liklihood be a good owner……..better than Al Davis, better than Dan Snyder, better than the current Rams ownership.

  25. comment_submission_error says: Oct 7, 2009 9:04 PM

    As long as that drug-addled megalomaniac doesn’t shine his flashlight of doom towards Oakland, I couldn’t be happier. One crazy owner per lifetime is my Number One Rule. Let Rush front ownership of the only team in the league that might be worse than the Raiders. Please.

  26. TheMagicIsYou! says: Oct 7, 2009 9:05 PM

    Rush didn’t write “Barack the Magic Negro.”
    He did, however, pump a bunch of innuendo into the public discourse suggesting that Obama was born in Africa, is a crypto-Marxist, had William Ayers write “Dreams From My Father,” etc., etc.
    Looney Tunes. But, if playing to the worst in humanity makes you millions, you should be able to spend it how you wish. Maybe he’ll turn them into perennial Super Bowl favorites; who knows?

  27. Wolframpau says: Oct 7, 2009 9:06 PM

    Paul Shanklin wrote “Barack the Magic Negro”. As usual, Democrats look to stir the emotions of everyone else by blaming guys like Limbaugh and Bush.

  28. ragin40 says: Oct 7, 2009 9:07 PM

    druggie would get suspended for violating the racist fat liars policy…

  29. papagaio says: Oct 7, 2009 9:07 PM

    Drug Abuse is a disqualifer? I guess that knocks Colts owner Jim Irsay out of the league… How quickly folks forget his prescription pain killer abuse….
    http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=1009269
    http://www2.indystar.com/library/factfiles/people/i/irsay_jim/stories/2002_1114.html

  30. SmackMyVickUp says: Oct 7, 2009 9:08 PM

    does not represent the honor, integrity and dignity for which the NFL shield is supposed to represent.
    Character is a constant point of emphasis for NFL and team officials when it comes to the players; potential owners should be held to the same level of scrutiny and accountability.

    ———————–
    I see he jumped right into comedy when his NFL career ended.

  31. Bubba Maximus says: Oct 7, 2009 9:09 PM

    Ditto on TheWizard’s comment about ignorance on parade.
    Here’s a clue for the clueless: a BLACK liberal newspaper columnist coined the phrase “Barack the Magic Negro”.
    Limbaugh simply seized on the phrase to create a song that lampoons the PC, guilt-ridden white liberals and racist blacks who worship at Obama’s throne.
    In the meantime, while expressing contempt for Limbaugh, liberals continue to admire and respect scumbags like Michael Jackson, Ted Kennedy, and Roman Polanski.

  32. Backinthesaddle says: Oct 7, 2009 9:11 PM

    Roman Oben?????…….Who???…….Ohhhh…Chairman of the Democratic Party in SomewhereIneverheardofbefore, NJ ???……..has a problem with Rush Limbaugh gaining ownership of an NFL team???……NO!!!….YOU’RE KIDDING ME!!!……Hmmm….is it within the realm of possibility that Mr. Obenliberal might just maybe kinda-sorta be a little teensy bit BIASED by his own political leanings and his vehement foaming-at-the-mouth hatred of Mr. Limbaughs’ powerful voice in opposition to every liberal political concept he holds dear???

  33. F-Dallas says: Oct 7, 2009 9:12 PM

    Rush is the biggest hate spewing ignorant racist neo-con hypocrite piece of trash in the vast conservative media… and that’s saying something considering how many idiots we have on the “right”
    If he gains ownership of any NFL team, it will be a sad day for the league.
    I guess my biggest question is: what is the league’s drug testing policy for NFL owners?

  34. SteelTown_6 says: Oct 7, 2009 9:14 PM

    Rush is a Nazi, with an audience.

  35. RonnieRon says: Oct 7, 2009 9:14 PM

    I wouldnt want Rush to be the owner of a team because he is a Racist pig as are some of you. If any Black man or Latino or Asian plays for a team he owns they are some Dumb ass MOFO’s. I wouldnt let that clown be my Boss. I can see what the contracts would look like for the Blacks,Latinos & Asians ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. they would be paid five bucks a year while the white players make 5 trillion a year. thats what Rush’s Bigoted ass whould do. &uck Rush Pillhead and all you fools that line up behind him licking his Ass Crack..

  36. lvass76 says: Oct 7, 2009 9:16 PM

    Gee, and I bet this NBC affiliated website has a reason for printing this non-story. What Mr. Mediocre Stop-gap tackle option can’t deny is that Mr. Limbaugh is successful. And for any drones out there who’ve never listened, he has a black man with him on the show. I’m sure Oben would also have a problem with Keith Overbite (aka Olbermann) and Rachel Madcow (aka Maddow) owning a team right?

  37. Cecil says: Oct 7, 2009 9:22 PM

    Every single Rush supporter has sounded like the exact same person. Lotsa ad hominem attacks, misspellings, etc. Huh.

  38. Smush Rodrigez says: Oct 7, 2009 9:23 PM

    It is a sad state for the Republican Party that Rush is so powerful. It is bad for our country not to have a real republican party. They should cut the bible beating conservatives and form a party that the republicans are supposed to be. Maybe just come out and support abortion – that would seperate the wheat from the chaff.
    As much as a jerk and idiot that I think Rush is, I do not begrudge him because there are bigger morons hanging on his every word.

  39. Nope says: Oct 7, 2009 9:26 PM

    You leftist morons who say Rush Limbaugh is a racist without ever listening to his program are beyond stupid. Keep drinking the leftist kool-aid in your Jim Jones world.

  40. TheWizard says: Oct 7, 2009 9:27 PM

    It wasn’t rush that wrote it but the point still stands that he sang it mockingly
    Uh……he didn’t sing it either.
    Might want to check on that as well.
    Keep throwing $hit at the wall though, something might stick eventually.

  41. cy farnsworth says: Oct 7, 2009 9:27 PM

    I can’t believe how many people are actually denying that Limbaugh is a racist. He may not have written the “Magic Negro” song, but here are a few of his choice quotes:
    “I mean, let’s face it, we didn’t have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: slavery built the South. I’m not saying we should bring it back; I’m just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark.”
    “Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?”
    “Take that bone out of your nose and call me back”
    “Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it.”
    Money talks, but as a black man I would be disappointed to see many black players sign with a Limbaugh owned team.

  42. Nope says: Oct 7, 2009 9:27 PM

    Cecil, you are intellectually dishonest.

  43. Winston Wolfe says: Oct 7, 2009 9:29 PM

    I don’t suppose Florio will be running any pro Limbaugh editorials. Of course not, that’s not the way Liberals do things. Florio you’re becoming a tool for the liberal left. ???Roman Oben??? is that the best that you can do?

  44. slick3NBC says: Oct 7, 2009 9:29 PM

    I believe it to be more accurate to state that it is Limbaugh who has a problem with Oben’s skin color, tj.52. Limbaugh’s “Barack the Magic Negro” ditty doesn’t exactly endear him to black players.

  45. jan van flac says: Oct 7, 2009 9:30 PM

    If I were an NFL player i’d sign a contract with the Rush Limbaugh owned Rams on one condition….that that fat, bloated, drug addled POS be tied to a blocking sled before every practice.

  46. NewYorkJetsFan says: Oct 7, 2009 9:31 PM

    I think Limbaugh is a blowhard, but pretty much everyone on AM talk radio is. That’s basically the definition of the job, whether you’re a sports program, a political program or a religious program.
    I don’t think Oben is saying that Limbaugh shouldn’t be allowed to have stake in ownership, he’s just saying it’s an unwise move considering how unpopular Limbaugh is in the African American community and how many NFL players are black.
    My guess is it would probably be good for Limbaugh. I get the impression he doesn’t spend a lot of time around people that are different from him.

  47. TheWizard says: Oct 7, 2009 9:32 PM

    Here’s the truth about Rush and race.
    Rush believes, as I do, that the ‘war on poverty’ destroyed the black family.
    Republicans offer a hand up, not a hand out.
    That doesn’t go over well with some people.

  48. chem says: Oct 7, 2009 9:32 PM

    Rush is a well known racist and it would hurt the team’s ability to attract top tier free agents.
    This is bad news for any Rams fan.

  49. HughJassPhD says: Oct 7, 2009 9:37 PM

    boring

  50. Avon Barksdale says: Oct 7, 2009 9:38 PM

    Big surprise…where there’s sports, there’s ignorant right winger sports fans.
    Rush Limbaugh would be a horrible choice to buy the team – first off, he’s made statements that are blatantly offensive to African-Americans – long before his ham-handed attempt at humor with his “Magic Negro” song. His only assignment on the pregame show was to talk from a fan’s perspective, and he immediately makes a dimwitted comment about McNabb. I fail to see how he could relate to black players on any level, seeing as how his personal beliefs are probably even MORE bigoted than what he says out loud.
    I can see him bitching about rich black athletes and their senses of entitlement, dropping all African-Americans from the roster, and bringing in Eric Crouch to run the offense.
    Also, his personality is incompatible. He can’t open his mouth without insulting someone, he has no willpower (ie, his problem) and would be more concerned with making press for him than running a team.
    Rush Limbaugh is an arrogant, racist, pill-head. He’s a coward who got out of Vietnam by faking a cyst on his ass. He can’t even keep a marriage together. Any Rams fan who WANTS him to be part of their teams ownership is a moron.
    Newsflash, dummies: Barack Obama and Keith Olbermann have nothing to do with this, but your obsession with them is pretty clear from the comments.
    One last thing: If they win the bid, it will be funny to see Limbaugh be the first owner suspended by Robert “God” Dell for violating the NFL’s substance abuse policy. Will he be in the program as soon as he enters the league?

  51. DirtMcGirt24 says: Oct 7, 2009 9:38 PM

    America, where you can only be either left or right, but not intelligent.
    How many clowns really are sitting here correlating his political business acumen to his potential as an owner of a football franchise? Just because someone is good at one particular business makes him a shoe in for another? See Dan Snyder.
    How the hell would Rush Limbaugh know how to hire a personnel man or general manager? How much could he add to the thirst of all things international by current owners with his views that perpetuate anti-American views worldwide? What does he know about public finance for getting a new stadium, the ultimate revenue generating machine? (Well, maybe he does after making a living complaining about politics.) But you get my point.
    He’s just as equipped as Cher, Jay Leno, Jay-Z, Oprah, Billy Mays, Hannah Montana or anyone else who has made themselves a brand name. The fact that some of you sheep would sit here and base your decision on his political views is the simple reason why he’s been able to make so much money in politics. Unfortunately, politicians can’t identify the Mike before the snap, and Limbaugh has no clue how to find a guy who can.

  52. SpartaChris says: Oct 7, 2009 9:39 PM

    From TFA:
    Character is a constant point of emphasis for NFL and team officials when it comes to the players; potential owners should be held to the same level of scrutiny and accountability.
    Yet the league allows the likes of Michael Vick to be reinstated. Character my ass.

  53. TRAMO says: Oct 7, 2009 9:39 PM

    SOUNDS LIKE MOST OF THESE ANTI LIMBAUGH POSTS COME FROM THE CITIES IN NORTHEAST, SUCH AS NY,PHILLY,BOSTON AND PROBABLY DETROIT AND CHIGAGO, BUNCH LIBERAL,PC ,WUSSYS,GOVERNMENT SUCKING DEADBEATS.NFC BEAST IS A DUM A

  54. PayDoh says: Oct 7, 2009 9:41 PM

    While we are on the topic of drug addicts, I remember Brett Favre went to rehab for taking percocets. They never seem to mention that when talking about favre, but they won’t hesitate to bring up another player’s past problems. I’m a conservative and I can’t stand Limbaugh or Sean Hannity. Liberalism is a disease though.

  55. slick3NBC says: Oct 7, 2009 9:41 PM

    WRONG AGAIN Bubba Maximus. The song, “Barack the Magic Negro” is a satirical song by Paul Shanklin, which appeared on his 2008 album We Hate the USA. The song is a parody sung to the tune of “Puff, the Magic Dragon”.
    Shanklin is an (white) American conservative political satirist, impressionist, comedian, and conservative speaker. A native of Memphis, Tennessee, Shanklin writes most of, and voices the characters for, the songs and satirical comedy segments used by conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh.

  56. TRAMO says: Oct 7, 2009 9:44 PM

    Who is Roman Oben?i think he scored a 8 on the wonderlick test,just above Vince Youngs 5

  57. E4C says: Oct 7, 2009 9:49 PM

    @Cecil: You mean like every other poster calling Rush, conservatives, Republicans, and others racist? Do those ad hominem attacks not count?
    The people who buy the propaganda are worse than the propaganda itself. The real racism is that which is perpetuated by the left: by destroying the black family through welfare programs (replacing the father figure with big government) and by teaching minorities that they need help to get ahead that others don’t (reinforcing inferiority and victimhood).
    The Democrat Party was the party of slavery, Jim Crow, and segregation. Now they keep the black man down by creating an environment of continual poverty. Only when blacks realize this and stop voting for their white oppressors will they finally be free. Or, they can just keep voting guys like Robert Byrd (D-WV), former Klan member.

  58. Vet735 says: Oct 7, 2009 9:52 PM

    I love it. A bunch of white people fighting with otehr white people about whether a white guy gets to buy a football team.
    Crazy crackers

  59. TransplantedFan says: Oct 7, 2009 9:54 PM

    I don’t listen to Rush. But I do have a somewhat serious question about his show especially in light of his potentially owning an NFL team. Doesn’t he talk about NFL players from time to time on his show? Mike Vick and others? Wouldn’t being part of an NFL ownership structure prevent him from talking about any NFL players other than his own or face repercussions for tampering? Wouldn’t he also be prevented from talking about the possible NFL future of any college prospects for similar reasons? Maybe he doesn’t talk football on his show, I don’t know. I’m just curious on this point though. I’m sure the NFL would be equally curious.

  60. Abe Froeman says: Oct 7, 2009 9:55 PM

    Limbaugh supporters are funny. They guy is a clueless idiot who doesn’t even truly support the conservative movement.
    Let alone the fact that about less than 5% of American’s listen to him.
    He’s a talking head who likes to stir up controversy to increase his ratings. If you find him entertaining that’s fine.
    But if you think he in intellectually honest, well, lol.

  61. PerryMason says: Oct 7, 2009 9:56 PM

    In general politics shouldn’t have anything to do with it but Limaugh’s politics are a little to the right of Jefferson Davis, and that is an issue that can divide a nation.

  62. PayDoh says: Oct 7, 2009 9:59 PM

    E4C is 100% correct. Preach the truth brother.

  63. DocBG says: Oct 7, 2009 9:59 PM

    # RonnieRon says: October 7, 2009 9:14 PM
    I wouldnt want Rush to be the owner of a team because he is a Racist pig as are some of you. If any Black man or Latino or Asian plays for a team he owns they are some Dumb ass MOFO’s. I wouldnt let that clown be my Boss. I can see what the contracts would look like for the Blacks,Latinos & Asians ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. they would be paid five bucks a year while the white players make 5 trillion a year. thats what Rush’s Bigoted ass whould do. &uck Rush Pillhead and all you fools that line up behind him licking his Ass Crack..
    —————————————————-
    Hey jackass, his call screener is black and doesn’t seem to have a big problem with him, but i suppose that doesnt matter does it? Tell ya what, you listen to his show for 3 weeks and see what you think of him then. I doubt ANYONE here pissing and moaning about what a racist he is has actually spent the time listening to him.
    The truth is that welefare has had a terrible effect on the inner cities (and yes, i realize that the population in the inner cities is mostly black) By replacing the father figure in homes with a welfare check, you are allowing young men to dodge all responsibility for their actions. When this behavior spills over into other aspects of life there is no reason to be suprised. These folks are being screwed over by a political system that wants them kept poor and without vertical economic opportunities in exchange for a limited pittiance (welfare) and political power. Democrats are giving out fish, republicans give fishing lessons, grow up a little folks and realize whats happening. Bitch about rush as much as you want, his message is still, and always will be, correct. Make people responsible for their actions and they will be.

  64. Paul_R. says: Oct 7, 2009 10:02 PM

    Ahh, let’s take a trip back in time, shall we:
    http://www.slate.com/id/2089193/
    Rush Limbaugh Was RightDonovan McNabb isn’t a great quarterback, and the media do overrate him because he is black.
    By Allen BarraPosted Thursday, Oct. 2, 2003, at 6:33 PM ET
    In his notorious ESPN comments last Sunday night, Rush Limbaugh said he never thought the Philadelphia Eagles’ Donovan McNabb was “that good of a quarterback.”
    If Limbaugh were a more astute analyst, he would have been even harsher and said, “Donovan McNabb is barely a mediocre quarterback.” But other than that, Limbaugh pretty much spoke the truth. Limbaugh lost his job for saying in public what many football fans and analysts have been saying privately for the past couple of seasons.
    Let’s review: McNabb, he said, is “overrated … what we have here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback can do well—black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well.”
    “There’s a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of his team that he didn’t deserve. The defense carried this team.”
    Let’s take the football stuff first. For the past four seasons, the Philadelphia Eagles have had one of the best defenses in the National Football League and have failed to make it to the Super Bowl primarily because of an ineffective offense—an offense run by Donovan McNabb. McNabb was a great college quarterback, in my estimation one of the best of the ’90s while at Syracuse. (For the record, I helped persuade ESPN Magazine, then called ESPN Total Sports, to put him on the cover of the 1998 college-football preview issue.) He is one of the most talented athletes in the NFL, but that talent has not translated into greatness as a pro quarterback.
    McNabb has started for the Eagles since the 2000 season. In that time, the Eagles offense has never ranked higher than 10th in the league in yards gained. In fact, their 10th-place rank in 2002 was easily their best; in their two previous seasons, they were 17th in a 32-team league. They rank 31st so far in 2003.
    In contrast, the Eagles defense in those four seasons has never ranked lower than 10th in yards allowed. In 2001, they were seventh; in 2002 they were fourth; this year they’re fifth. It shouldn’t take a football Einstein to see that the Eagles’ strength over the past few seasons has been on defense, and Limbaugh is no football Einstein, which is probably why he spotted it.
    The news that the Eagles defense has “carried” them over this period should be neither surprising nor controversial to anyone with access to simple NFL statistics—or for that matter, with access to a television. Yet, McNabb has received an overwhelming share of media attention and thus the credit. Now why is this?
    Let’s look at a quarterback with similar numbers who also plays for a team with a great defense. I don’t know anyone who would call Brad Johnson one of the best quarterbacks in pro football—which is how McNabb is often referred to. In fact, I don’t know anyone who would call Brad Johnson, on the evidence of his 10-year NFL career, much more than mediocre. Yet, Johnson’s NFL career passer rating, as of last Sunday, is 7.3 points higher than McNabb’s (84.8 to 77.5), he has completed his passes at a higher rate (61.8 percent to 56.4 percent), and has averaged significantly more yards per pass (6.84 to 5.91). McNabb excels in just one area, running, where he has gained 2,040 yards and scored 14 touchdowns to Johnson’s 467 and seven. But McNabb has also been sacked more frequently than Johnson—more than once, on average, per game, which negates much of the rushing advantage.
    In other words, in just about every way, Brad Johnson has been a more effective quarterback than McNabb and over a longer period.
    And even if you say the stats don’t matter and that a quarterback’s job is to win games, Johnson comes out ahead. Johnson has something McNabb doesn’t, a Super Bowl ring, which he went on to win after his Bucs trounced McNabb’s Eagles in last year’s NFC championship game by a score of 27-10. The Bucs and Eagles were regarded by everyone as having the two best defenses in the NFL last year. When they played in the championship game, the difference was that the Bucs defense completely bottled up McNabb while the Eagles defense couldn’t stop Johnson.
    In terms of performance, many NFL quarterbacks should be ranked ahead of McNabb. But McNabb has represented something special to all of us since he started his first game in the NFL, and we all know what that is.
    Limbaugh is being excoriated for making race an issue in the NFL. This is hypocrisy. I don’t know of a football writer who didn’t regard the dearth of black NFL quarterbacks as one of the most important issues in the late ’80s and early ’90s. (The topic really caught fire after 1988, when Doug Williams of the Washington Redskins became the first black quarterback to win a Super Bowl.)
    So far, no black quarterback has been able to dominate a league in which the majority of the players are black. To pretend that many of us didn’t want McNabb to be the best quarterback in the NFL because he’s black is absurd. To say that we shouldn’t root for a quarterback to win because he’s black is every bit as nonsensical as to say that we shouldn’t have rooted for Jackie Robinson to succeed because he was black. (Please, I don’t need to be reminded that McNabb’s situation is not so difficult or important as Robinson’s—I’m talking about a principle.)
    Consequently, it is equally absurd to say that the sports media haven’t overrated Donovan McNabb because he’s black. I’m sorry to have to say it; he is the quarterback for a team I root for. Instead of calling him overrated, I wish I could be admiring his Super Bowl rings. But the truth is that I and a great many other sportswriters have chosen for the past few years to see McNabb as a better player than he has been because we want him to be.
    Rush Limbaugh didn’t say Donovan McNabb was a bad quarterback because he is black. He said that the media have overrated McNabb because he is black, and Limbaugh is right. He didn’t say anything that he shouldn’t have said, and in fact he said things that other commentators should have been saying for some time now. I should have said them myself. I mean, if they didn’t hire Rush Limbaugh to say things like this, what did they hire him for? To talk about the prevent defense?
    ___________________________________
    Any questions?

  65. TheDPR says: Oct 7, 2009 10:02 PM

    If the guy has the money to buy a team, whether to sell to him is nobody’s business but the seller’s.

  66. Avon Barksdale says: Oct 7, 2009 10:06 PM

    Way to misspell Wonderlic, moron. I love how every Rush Limbaugh supporter – to a man! -doesn’t know how to spell or form a coherent argument.
    Also, the conservative who doesn’t like Hannity and Limbaugh gave me a laugh, because the ‘liberalism is a disease’ comment is one of those canned troglodyte phrases that their followers parrot like zombies asking for brains. conservatism is more diseas-y, considering that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again – and expecting different results. That pretty much defines Conservatism perfectly, since they’re all about maintaining the status quo. That reminds me – I wonder if he’ll pressure the coach to eliminate the forward pass?
    Look, it’s this simple, Ram fans – do you want an owner who will immediately have an antagonistic relationship with every black player on the team and the sports arm of any media outlet he seems to have a problem with?
    One good thing about this is that we’re all getting reminded of his doctor shopping and racist ramblings again.

  67. TRAMO says: Oct 7, 2009 10:09 PM

    ABE FAGMAN IS A IDIOT 5% RATING IS ABOUT 4% MORE THAN THE NEXT CLOSEST COMPETITOR

  68. PayDoh says: Oct 7, 2009 10:09 PM

    Vet, if I were to say crazy blacks I would be called a racist. So what if white people are sharing their opinions, why do you always have to make it about race?

  69. DoomsDayD75 says: Oct 7, 2009 10:17 PM

    @EC4 You are an idiot and have no idea what you are talking about. Democrats keeping the black man down? That is probably the dumbest thing I’ve ever read. The is no reason for a black person to ever vote for a Republican, because they are a party of fringe lunatics that only stand for hatred and greed.
    I can’t believe you are trying to tell blacks to vote for Republicans. The entire South has been Republican since the Civil Rights Act was signed and blacks are supposed to vote for a Republican? That’s retarded. The Republican party is nothing but old, wealthy white people, or old, wealthy white people wannabe’s.

  70. Abe Froeman says: Oct 7, 2009 10:18 PM

    Great insult TRAMO.
    You have about as much class as your ideology.

  71. Abe Froeman says: Oct 7, 2009 10:21 PM

    Which is not conservatism by the way.
    Its a mutant form that is about fear and conspiracy. A true conservative would find your ideas revolting.
    As an independent I can’t claim to be a conservative, but if people like you didn’t exist and pull the ideology so far to the right I can’t recognize it, I, as rational individual, might be able to sign on.

  72. williamsbros says: Oct 7, 2009 10:23 PM

    It’s amazing to me how many liberals and Rush haters bring race into this. Rush’s right hand man, Bo Snerdley who has worked for him from the beginning as a call screener/Official Program Observer/Official Obama criticizer is BLACK!! Yes, thats right…. the fat, evil, racist drug addict Rush Limbaugh works hand in hand with a black man every day.
    Also anyone who knows anything about history could cleary see the Democrat party is the one keeping black people down by getting them dependant on various forms of welfare, then keeping them stuck in failing inner-city schools by not allowing educational vouchers for school choice.
    Rush has done more for the black community than any of you self-righteous libs ever will.

  73. jan van flac says: Oct 7, 2009 10:25 PM

    SOUNDS LIKE MOST OF THESE ANTI LIMBAUGH POSTS COME FROM THE CITIES IN NORTHEAST….
    you mean from the states that are revenue negative i.e. subsidize the “fiscally conservative” “Red” states?
    “by destroying the black family through welfare programs (replacing the father figure with big government)”
    -This in itself is a racist stereotype.
    “The Democrat Party ….”
    There is no “Democrat Party”. Using that epithet instantly identifies the user as a moron. There is a Democratic party, and while it did at one time have a sordid history the Republicans took over that mantle via the overtly racist “Southern Strategy” during the last 40 years which is why no sane minority voter will ever vote for a Republican again.

  74. Abe Froeman says: Oct 7, 2009 10:31 PM

    Hey Paul_R I have a question.
    So is it your opinion that McNabb is a barely mediocre QB?

  75. DocBG says: Oct 7, 2009 10:31 PM

    # Abe Froeman says: October 7, 2009 9:55 PM
    Let alone the fact that about less than 5% of American’s listen to him.
    —————————————————–
    Time for some math.
    25 million listeners (min)
    50 million listeners (max)
    300 million in country
    8.3-16.6% is a bit closer
    But why let facts get in the way of a good rant right?

  76. TRAMO says: Oct 7, 2009 10:37 PM

    Talk about race,i noticed that 4 out of the top 5 voted most overated NFL players were White. of course the voters were other nfl players ,which 80% are black.so who’s the racists.

  77. cunn9305 says: Oct 7, 2009 10:44 PM

    Oben can suck it. Limbaugh’s money is the same color as everyone else and that’s all that matters. The rest is just politically correct B.S. The League will do what’s best for the League, not to appease the liberal nutjobs.

  78. antneejay2 says: Oct 7, 2009 10:45 PM

    @ Paul-R
    Yeah, I’ve got a question. If you hadn’t ended your diatribe with “Any questions?” you wouldn’t have come off as such a pompus asshole.
    My question is: Do you believe that being a total knob makes chicks wet?

  79. Bigbluefan says: Oct 7, 2009 10:46 PM

    Who cares they let JJ own a team Al still has the raiders and then their is that fool in DC why not let the guy buy the team if he has the cash
    Should the Steelers be taken away because old man Roney Kiss Lord O’s ass and got him a job as a diplomat?
    This is america if he can afford it let him buy it

  80. Obeah says: Oct 7, 2009 10:55 PM

    Rush says, free Oxycontin for everyone Wingnuts rule.

  81. PayDoh says: Oct 7, 2009 10:58 PM

    All republicans are old, white people with money? I thought liberals and democrats were the party that accepted everyone? The party that was above stereotypes? You want a truly Democratic society? Take California and use that as a model. They dole about roughly $10 billion a year to illegal immigrants, are flat broke and come back asking for handouts, sounds like democrats to me.

  82. CaptainObvious says: Oct 7, 2009 11:00 PM

    Wow, so much venom being spewed here from the Limbaugh crowd.
    What’s up guys? No Klan or Aryan Brotherhood rallies tonight?. Sheets at the cleaners?

  83. Avon Barksdale says: Oct 7, 2009 11:01 PM

    Paul_R – tl;dr
    PayDoh, because the problem people have with Rush Limbaugh is that he’s made a career out of racially divisive language – do you think it’s appropriate that he then makes money off of the blood and sweat of black athletes?
    Doc is hilarious! Do you actually believe that stuff, or are you a sophisticated troll! “Rush has a black call screener” argument is a rephrased take on the old classic “A LOT OF MY FRIENDS ARE BLACK.” Newsflash, Doc. Republicans haven’t cared about minorities since Lincoln – the modern party is composed of southern religious wackjobs that left the party after LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act.
    Really, I feel sorry for a lot of the pro-Rush posters in here. The reason for all the anger is that America is growing up and leaving bigotry and intolerance behind, and a lot of people are scared of that. Or, their moms shook them too much when they were babiie

  84. redsquare says: Oct 7, 2009 11:03 PM

    Kroenke to Limbaugh – from one worthless scumbag to another.

  85. Abe Froeman says: Oct 7, 2009 11:16 PM

    Hey DocBG, you’re right why let numbers get in the way.
    How about you look up your numbers and get back to me when you find a reputable place backing up the ones you provided.
    Arbitron listed about 13.5, which is well, less than 5%.
    So yeah, don’t let numbers get in your way.
    LoL

  86. JoeSchmoe says: Oct 7, 2009 11:29 PM

    Abe you have to realize that not everyone understands Arbitron. And they would rather take as fact whatever number Limbaugh tells his audience that they number.
    DocBG, don’t let facts and reality get in the way…. we know you won’t though! …you’re a Rush fan! Congrats!

  87. JoeSchmoe says: Oct 7, 2009 11:31 PM

    Honestly, us “liberal asshole pussy’s” or whatever the minority want to refer to us as need to remember one thing: WE’RE THE MAJORITY. …as evidenced by the elections of 2008. I actually feel less of a human for allowing these nut sacks to force me to post here.

  88. ragin40 says: Oct 7, 2009 11:34 PM

    Well me thinks there that uhmm team Down there in uhmm st luey mights be a uhmm an good ol chance to uhmm get there’s back into thems there uhm foozball games.
    What a fat druggie loser…

  89. PayDoh says: Oct 7, 2009 11:35 PM

    Anyone hear about the people lined up in detroit today? All these people at the “free money giveaway”. Lots of people standing in line with their new nike shoes, waiting for those handouts from “whitey” who owes it to them. People with new clothes but can’t afford to make a housing payment. Priorities, they have none.

  90. PayDoh says: Oct 7, 2009 11:36 PM

    Anyone hear about the people lined up in detroit today? All these people at the “free money giveaway”. Lots of people standing in line with their new nike shoes, waiting for those handouts from “whitey” who owes it to them. People with new clothes but can’t afford to make a housing payment. Priorities, they have none.

  91. Olbermanisadouche says: Oct 7, 2009 11:40 PM

    More negativity from the left…what a surprise.

  92. Tugernuts21 says: Oct 7, 2009 11:41 PM

    Why would black free agents want to sign with the Rams? Because they want to WIN. Rush is a winner. His right hand man and screener is black and proud and RICHER than you jabronis. Snerdly could buy and sell everyone on this comment page including me. I guess Rush is a dumb racist . . . who wants his employees to get rich . . . silence the blind jealousy people.

  93. PayDoh says: Oct 7, 2009 11:51 PM

    I thought democrats were open to other’s opinions? Accepting of all people no matter what? They love to walk the walk. Democrats love other’s opinions as long as they coincide with their’s. Let’s talk about this great new health plan in the works, higher taxes, hidden taxes on production, medicare cuts, 40 million suddenly with insurance. Oh and the government will impose a “fine” on people who don’t buy their health care. The kicker is that they claim they will cut costs! However I will state the Republican part has no right trying to jump in the conversation when they made no attempt over eight years to change anything.
    My solution? Drive the illegals out first AND THEN talk about health care. Anyone who says we can’t survive without illegals is flat wrong. You can always find kids to cut grass and clean dishes, they just won’t do it for a $1 an hour. It isn’t like they are doing jobs that a nutless monkey couldn’t do.
    Cut off all funding to illegals, cut the jobs, extremely high fines for companies hiring illegals, then begin fixing health care. Illegals don’t deserve a voice, remember they choose to not honor our borders or laws, eff them. Am I racist liberals? Because I don’t pander to the latino community and the illegals who don’t care about the future of america, they care about sucking this country completely dry and then going back home.

  94. jackleary says: Oct 7, 2009 11:51 PM

    man screw rush. im sure racism is more than prevalent in all different levels of NFL organizations, but if I were playing or working for St. Louis and this asshat became a part-owner, I would immediately demand a trade or begin exploring other emoplyment. Politics aside, with the kind of racist/intolerant/sexist nonsense this guy has gone on record to say, I can’t see how one could feel justified in working for him, at any level.

  95. Vikingsfaninpa says: Oct 8, 2009 12:09 AM

    Rush is no more racist than most black people i have worked with.
    Certainly no more racist than Farahkan, or the great jeremiah Wright, or the obamas, you know the typical white person who walks to the other side of the street to avoid a dangerous looking person. yeah thats right our pres said that one, but then again where is the out cry fr0m the ones who have no trouble pointing out the comments of white people.
    The double standard that exists is outrageous.
    The hateful spew started from those that oppose Rush on this site. Scroll back to the top and see for yourself.
    I think at the end of the day we all black, white green and purple people all have some little racism in us towards even our own race.
    I think what rush does is makes fun of that (ie) the magic negro song and the earlier poster was correct he did not write and the writer of the song wrote the song to mock the liberal media, because that is who wrote the news article that the song is about. It poinsts out the double standard and judging by rush’s opposition on this site I have no doubt about the double standard.
    Signed
    Whity

  96. cy farnsworth says: Oct 8, 2009 12:19 AM

    For the second time I’ll post these quotes, because none of the dittoheads seemed to care to respond the first time around:
    “I mean, let’s face it, we didn’t have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: slavery built the South. I’m not saying we should bring it back; I’m just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark.”
    “Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?”
    “Take that bone out of your nose and call me back”
    “Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it.”
    Can any of the Limbaugh supporters here respond directly to any of these quotes and explain how their not racist? Or at least how they won’t drive away black talent from the Rams??

  97. SpartaChris says: Oct 8, 2009 12:55 AM

    Avon Barksdale says:
    October 7, 2009 10:06 PM
    Also, the conservative who doesn’t like Hannity and Limbaugh gave me a laugh, because the ‘liberalism is a disease’ comment is one of those canned troglodyte phrases that their followers parrot like zombies asking for brains. conservatism is more diseas-y, considering that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again – and expecting different results. That pretty much defines Conservatism perfectly, since they’re all about maintaining the status quo. That reminds me – I wonder if he’ll pressure the coach to eliminate the forward pass?
    Look, it’s this simple, Ram fans – do you want an owner who will immediately have an antagonistic relationship with every black player on the team and the sports arm of any media outlet he seems to have a problem with?
    One good thing about this is that we’re all getting reminded of his doctor shopping and racist ramblings again.

    How can you expect anyone to take any argument you make seriously when you’re paying homage to a thug dirtbag character from a TV show as your forum name?
    For everyone else- At what point in history did being a Republican automatically make you a racist? If you want actual racism, you should pay attention to the words of Rev. Al Sharpton, Rev. Jesse Jackson and Obama’s long time Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
    DoomsDayD75 says:
    October 7, 2009 10:17 PM
    @EC4 You are an idiot and have no idea what you are talking about. Democrats keeping the black man down? That is probably the dumbest thing I’ve ever read. The is no reason for a black person to ever vote for a Republican, because they are a party of fringe lunatics that only stand for hatred and greed.

    So offering a hand up instead of a hand out, as someone correctly described it earlier, is being greedy? It’s being greedy to want and expect to keep what you earn rather than give it away to someone who has chosen to be lazy?
    Thomas Jefferson said it best- “To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.”
    Fact of the matter is he’s right- government is holding people back. There was a great article written by a black minister shortly after Katrina asking one simple question- “At what point did we stop taking care of ourselves and start expecting the government to provide for us?” I really wish I could find the article, because it hit the nail on the head.
    The reliance on government services has done more to keep people down than any form of racism invented in the minds of the poor and downtrodden. Rather than learning how to find a way to pick yourself up and keep plugging along, people have grown lazy due to their reliance on government services. The more services provided by the government, the more people rely on the government for their care, the less people learn to fend for themselves. The less people fend for themselves, the less people there are to pay into the system. And that’s the problem with socialism- Eventually you’ll run out of other people’s money.
    There’s another saying I heard a while back, but I can’t find who said it. It goes like this- “If you aren’t liberal when you’re young, you have no heart. If you’re not conservative when you’re older, you have no brain.”

  98. DocBG says: Oct 8, 2009 2:38 AM

    # DoomsDayD75 says: October 7, 2009 10:17 PM
    @EC4 You are an idiot and have no idea what you are talking about. Democrats keeping the black man down? That is probably the dumbest thing I’ve ever read. The is no reason for a black person to ever vote for a Republican, because they are a party of fringe lunatics that only stand for hatred and greed.
    I can’t believe you are trying to tell blacks to vote for Republicans. The entire South has been Republican since the Civil Rights Act was signed and blacks are supposed to vote for a Republican? That’s retarded. The Republican party is nothing but old, wealthy white people, or old, wealthy white people wannabe’s.
    —————————————————
    You shouldn’t chug the koolaid that quickly….. dems HAVE kept the minorities in this country down for as long as they could. If liberal policies worked so damn good then WHY aren’t the inner cities cleaned of crime and poverty? We’ve dumped billions (probably trillions) of dollars into the inner cities and welfare programs, and yet crime rates keep going up. welfare and public assistance numbers keep going up. single mothers keep going up….. hmmm you seeing a pattern here? Southern democrats actually voted AGAINST civil rights, it was the votes from republicans that pushed it over the top. You are a facist, you are seeking to repress views other than your own and have no idea about what you are talking.
    @ abe forman Arbitron actually has varied numbers other sources report as high as 50m and as low as 19m (still much higher than 5%) Radio audiences can be extremely hard to estimate due to the fact that you never know how many people are listening to a single radio at a given time (1 in an office of 20 people, for example) Debating the numbers further is a great way to waste time, we can both find sources to support our claims, suffice it to say that he reaches more people than any other radio host.
    @avon; the comment regarding the race of his call screener was in response to a claim that no one whose black would ever want to work for him. factually, the claim was wrong, that was a very easy way to prove it. Why in the hell should someone “care” about a certain group of people over another anyway? The way i see it (in addition to just about all conservatives) is that you are a person. skin color should have NOTHING to do with caring about a person, you either care about everyone, or you care about no one. ANY other action is racist, plain and simple. Caring about people DOES NOT mean throwing other peoples money at problems that are never fixed. CARING about someone is giving them an opportunity to make a life for themselves. Caring for them is getting out of the way of productivity. When you are recieving public assistance, if you try to do anything to better your life, it is taken away from you. You are forced to either stay on it, or risk having nothing. These dependency cycles continue. I work with poor folks (of EVERY race) every day of the week, they are told by their social workers that if they get a job, they lose their “benifits” (i.e. SSDI totalling $674/mo due to some BS disability) when the dollar amount is that low, it means the people never worked a day in their life. These folks have never got the training on how to work, and are afraid of being responsible for themselves. so they turn down jobs where they could make that much money in a week in order to keep the safety net. Get out of your ivory tower and experience a little life you fool. the systems works to keep these people in the system for the benifit of the system.

  99. Tillman says: Oct 8, 2009 2:41 AM

    Rush shouldn’t own a team in a free country, but a black man who sat in a church listening to racist remarks towards jews and whites for 20 years can become President? Sounds like owning a football team doesn’t compare to what our President obviously endorsed as he sat and listened every Sunday for 20 years.

  100. a sensible person says: Oct 8, 2009 3:18 AM

    If I was a Rams fan, I would be VERY worried that black free agents wouldn’t want to play for the Rams solely because of Limbaugh’s co-ownership.
    He’s not too popular with our black brothers, in case you didn’t know.

  101. Ike Huminspurts says: Oct 8, 2009 3:24 AM

    You are right ESPN often fires employees for now reason whatsoever. Harold Reynolds is just a “nice” guy who was just giving the lady what she wanted. Sean Salisbury only showed people pictures of his “beautiful baby” on his cell phone at an off-campus ESPN work function. And Rush Limbaugh got done the worst of all and he was let go for being a “realist” and pointing out how wrong we are about Donovan McNabb being talented or smart enough to play QB.

  102. tientzu says: Oct 8, 2009 3:45 AM

    i don’t find it “funny” that he was/is a drug addict. i find it ironic, considering his diatribes against “drug culture”. and i have listened to his show on many occasions. my opinion…
    even if he isn’t a racist (don’t care really)
    he is a draft dodging hypocrite…and looking at his reason/excuse for i find it very odd that he appeared to be such an hawk…much like some other people who just left office…

  103. E4C says: Oct 8, 2009 6:27 AM

    @DoomsDayD75 – You should look up the Civil Rights Act again. A higher proportion of Republicans in Congress voted for it than did Democrats. In fact, they had to pull some tricks to get it around being put in a committee chaired by a Democrat because they were afraid he would never let it out of that committee. Now why would the south go towards the Republicans when 80% of the Republicans in Congress voted for the Civil Rights Act compared to 63% of Democrats in the HoR and 69% in the Senate? Of course they wouldn’t. Racism is big in the Democrat Party, they just hide it well behind talk of helping the little guy.
    @jan van flac – You may call it a “racist stereotype”, but facts are facts, and in 1960 the percent of black kids living with a single parent was 22%. In 2000 it was 53.3%. What changed since then? Certainly racism against blacks hasn’t INCREASED since the 60s – the era of Jim Crow. No, what have increased since then are the handouts the government gives. Why should people feel any more responsibility for their children when they know the government will be there? Social welfare programs have done more to destroy the black family and it’s ability to get ahead than any individual racist could ever hope. But when you get a group of these racists together, called “democrats”, it’s amazing the damage they cause.
    Call it what you want, but it’s simple grammar. The Republican Party is filled with republicans. The Democrat Party is filled with democrats. We don’t call them “democratics”. They’re democrats. Therefore it’s the Democrat Party.

  104. chapnasty says: Oct 8, 2009 6:45 AM

    @ Bearsrule
    Great example of an ignorant liberal moron. He didnt write “Barack the Magic Negro” you moron. It was a quote from an African American columnist in the San Fransico chronicle, I beleive, and then WHITE comedian Paul Shanklin turned it into a song. God the idiots that post on this site is amazing.

  105. csaber2007 says: Oct 8, 2009 6:47 AM

    Dave The Dude says: October 8, 2009 4:13 AM
    Rush Limbaugh should have been prosecuted for treason when he said he hoped America would fail under President Obama’s leadership.

    Dave,Dave,Dave…we wants Obama’s policies to fail. He cares more for this country that Obama ever will. Barack looks at the Constitution as a charter of “negative liberties”…he doesn’t like the fact it was designed to prevent someone who wants the government to run people’s live from doing so.

  106. csaber2007 says: Oct 8, 2009 6:50 AM

    a sensible person says: October 8, 2009 3:18 AM
    If I was a Rams fan, I would be VERY worried that black free agents wouldn’t want to play for the Rams solely because of Limbaugh’s co-ownership.
    He’s not too popular with our black brothers, in case you didn’t know

    Awesome…astroturfing at a sports blog. What percentage of the “black brothers” do you figure don’t like Rush? And do they all think alike?

  107. whywerule says: Oct 8, 2009 6:53 AM

    …Why wouldn’t you want a guy who made himself a multi-millionaire, knows everything about branding and promotion and has tons of contacts taking over a floundering NFL franchise?…
    Among other reasons, because Limbaugh is a racist drug addict. Is “racist drug addict” a brand the NFL wants to promote?

  108. FireJerryJones says: Oct 8, 2009 7:01 AM

    He gets to own a few ‘magic negroes’ and has an inside track on pain killers from the training room.
    If you could squeeze a few hookers in the mix, I’d say ‘Rush’ has it made.

  109. njoberg says: Oct 8, 2009 7:05 AM

    are those 25 million listners age 25- 50 or 6-10
    such as DocBG

  110. JetBlackNinja says: Oct 8, 2009 7:41 AM

    Rush might be the only thing in the country that sucks harder than the Rams right now… seems like a match made in Heaven to me.

  111. jan van flac says: Oct 8, 2009 7:43 AM

    what is the percentage of white kids living with single parents in 1960 and 2000? you are cherry picking here.
    and you want causality for the “decline of the Black family”? it’s not “welfare”. Are only black people eligible for welfare? The idea that anyone would choose not to have a nuclear familiy because they can get a pittance in food stamps or rent subsidies is ludicrous.
    How about the prison industrial complex, which is a de facto jobs program for poor rural white communities, and is filled with young black men receiving long sentences for nonviolent drug offenses that would result in a fine for a white kid in the suburbs. You don’t think this tears apart families? This is but one example of the ingrained racism of our society. You don’t think this is racist?
    And the name of the party is the Democratic Party. Everything else is a slur.

  112. buckeyes3413 says: Oct 8, 2009 8:05 AM

    It’s funny, ALL football players, black or white practice exactly what Rush preaches. Capatilism!! Work your butt off in a competitive market, get paid what the market can withstand, and if you can’t perform you will lose your job.
    You hear every year after a holdout has come to an end… “Hey, it’s a business. My people met with their people to work something out.”
    It’s management’s job to get the worker for as little as possible, and its the employee’s job to get what he can. I guarantee you that no player, black or white, would hesitate to cash the check, regardless of who wrote it.
    People that complain about Capitalism (except Michael Moore) either can’t or won’t compete for the opportunities that are available. Sad…

  113. VoxVeritas says: Oct 8, 2009 8:09 AM

    “I still say it would be hysterical to watch him and Jerry Jones compete for the spotlight.”
    Jones doesn’t compete for the spotlight. It searches him out.

  114. Serr8d says: Oct 8, 2009 8:13 AM

    Rush didn’t write ‘Magic Negro'; Paul Shanklin wrote and performs that. It’s a parody of L.A. Times columnist David Ehrenstein’s referral to Barack Obama during the primaries.
    Roman Oben is now a Democratic operative. He works for the Party in New Jersey. He’s now playing a side, playing linebacker for a political Party (a poor choice I think, since my once-proud Democrat Party has been taken over by the far-left). Anything Roman says or writes is agenda-driven, he is simply following the meme that is given to him by the uppers in the Party.
    In other words, he’s a tool. Take that into consideration when you listen to or read his work.
    Oh, and remember the story that came out couple weeks back? These pro players suffer early brain degradation due to repeated head slaps. I think we’ve found an excellent example of that phenomenon in Roman Oben.

  115. VoxVeritas says: Oct 8, 2009 8:19 AM

    “If I were an NFL player”
    Yeah but you’re not, so yes, I would like fries with that.

  116. VoxVeritas says: Oct 8, 2009 8:25 AM

    “In general politics shouldn’t have anything to do with it but Limaugh’s politics are a little to the right of Jefferson Davis, and that is an issue that can divide a nation.”
    Not like a president that’s left of Chairman Mao.

  117. VoxVeritas says: Oct 8, 2009 8:34 AM

    “Republicans haven’t cared about minorities since Lincoln – the modern party is composed of southern religious wackjobs that left the party after LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act.”
    Do you mean the Civil Rights Act that former KKK recruiter and current Democratic Sen. Robert Byrd opposed?

  118. VoxVeritas says: Oct 8, 2009 8:36 AM

    “Honestly, us “liberal asshole pussy’s” or whatever the minority want to refer to us as need to remember one thing: WE’RE THE MAJORITY. …as evidenced by the elections of 2008.”
    Obama won the election with 52.9% of the vote. I’m pretty sure that more than 3% would like to have their vote back by now.

  119. stabkoff says: Oct 8, 2009 8:39 AM

    Roman Oben needs to shut his racist pie hole and crawl back under the rock where he came from.
    Go Rush – Go Fox!!!

  120. JerseyJints says: Oct 8, 2009 8:52 AM

    Maybe the likes of Roman Oben and Barack Olbermann would like us to redistribute Limbaugh’s wealth so the people of St. Louis can all be part owners like the packers…
    Seriously though, why is this a problem? Limbaugh has proven himself to be a savvy businessman in every sense of the word and is no less deserving of a chance to by a team than the next guy.
    I don’t hear Roman Oben clamoring for the head of noted racist Jerry Richardson (Panthers), do I? Limbaugh’s McNabb comment was dumb but blown out of proportion.
    The real issue here is that he is a outspoken conservative and presumptous people assume that means you’re evil. Limbaugh is on record as saying he’s an entertainer first, a pundit second. So take his schtick with a grain of salt and look at this for what it is: someone who is talented with the bottom line and passionate about sports wanting to buy a franchise. If I were a rams fan I’d take that over a spineless Chip Rosenbloom or some Russian tycoon looking to spread their empire. The liberal insecurities that come of as righteousness in this country are nauseating and need to stop.

  121. clubfoot says: Oct 8, 2009 8:57 AM

    But I’m sure he is ok with keith olbermann spewing his drivel on NBC.

  122. Zaggs says: Oct 8, 2009 9:10 AM

    Seems Oben is saying that only blacks should be owners of NFL teams with lines like “‘not sure what’s lower: Rush Limbaugh’s approval rating in the African American community or JaMarcus Russel’s passer rating.” and “But in a league of professional athletes who are mostly African American and come from humble backgrounds” it seems skin color means more to Oben then anything else.
    The rest of Oben’s column is just more BS. Limbaugh became addicted to painkillers AFTER a serious injury, not because he felt like getting hi (I wonder if in Obens mind many former players should be discounted as owners as they have the same problem), Limbaugh said that McNabb wasnt as good as the media made him out to be and they did so because he was black (which isn’t as outta line as other player comments) and Michael J Fox has admitted to skipping his meds to make the effects of parkinsons more profound (along with not giving a crap about any therapy not derived from embryos).
    Quite frankly unless Oben has complained about the NFL defending a racist organization in the Washington club or having Keith Olbermann (the liberal version of Limbaugh and has made just as many attacks including attacks upon service members) host NFL games he is a hypocrite and most likely a racist.

  123. nyJag says: Oct 8, 2009 9:36 AM

    I love all these posts critsizing drug use. I guess all of you keep away from any sort of rock band or hip hop crew. I guess you stay away from Hollywood movies or even American literature as well. I’m sure your against the Americam Art movement as well never toked, dropped or hit anything in your lives.
    Half of you hypocrites are high right now!
    And I’m so glad all you Rams fans are so upset to have a DUI murderer lining up at right end each sunday for the last ten years. 10 years since he destroyed a family. I’m so happy to have you stand up for character when we need you.

  124. mattitude says: Oct 8, 2009 9:57 AM

    Paul_R. says:
    October 7, 2009 10:02 PM
    McNabb has started for the Eagles since the 2000 season. In that time, the Eagles offense has never ranked higher than 10th in the league in yards gained.
    ————————————————-
    Way to reference an ambiguous stat to get your point across. In 2004, the Super Bowl year, the Eagles finished with the 8th best scoring offense. It would have been higher had they not rested their starters for final 3 game sof the regular season. McNabb owns every meaningful passing record in Philadelphia history. To all the fans of franchises who claim they would never want McNabb at the helm of their organization, what was your team doing during the playoffs from 2001-2004?

  125. jan van flac says: Oct 8, 2009 10:14 AM

    “Obama won the election with 52.9% of the vote. I’m pretty sure that more than 3% would like to have their vote back by now.”
    Obama’s approval rating is up to 56% as of yesterday.
    Stick to supporting your lame-ass Cowboys.

  126. kravon says: Oct 8, 2009 10:17 AM

    Don’t NFL teams “share the wealth?” Doesnt that go against what Rush believes in?

  127. Brian says: Oct 8, 2009 10:59 AM

    Roman has been known to speak his mind throughout his career. I wish more players were willing to give back in the same manner he is.
    Roman is currently traveling the country speaking to athletes in an effort to spread college recruiting education with http://www.ncsasports.org

  128. bloodystupidjohnson says: Oct 8, 2009 11:07 AM

    When you look up the word black liberal racists in the dictionary, Roman Oben mug would be staring back at you.

  129. finsbooyah says: Oct 8, 2009 11:18 AM

    I am certainly no fan of Rush, in fact I think he’s an ignorant prick. However, he may be good as an owner for us fans who want to preserve what the NFL is while Goodell plans to ruin it. For example…
    Goodell’s plan to add a London team would be the beginning of the end for the league we all love. But he needs the owners on his side to get it done, and I don’t see Rush going along with such a proposal, not in a million years.

  130. slutnuts says: Oct 8, 2009 12:06 PM

    nyJag: best post ever. you win.

  131. E4C says: Oct 8, 2009 12:07 PM

    jan van flac: I guess that depends on which poll you’re looking at. Rasmussen, which was pretty much the closest of any of the polls to the actual vote last November, currently has his overall approval rating at 48% (disapproval at 51%). His approval index (those who strongly approve minus those who strongly disapprove) is -7. That means more people feel strongly about what a bad job he’s doing than those who feel he’s doing good.

  132. CurseofBoJackson says: Oct 8, 2009 1:25 PM

    jan van flac and cy farnsworth…..
    I concur on all levels, and not one post has been written to intelligibly rebut, except for approval ratings (yaaawwwn). My guess is that most of what you’ve written is over the heads of folks like VoxVeritas TRAMOS and williamsbros.
    BTW, Olbermann is the lefty Limbaugh and is a caricature of himself as is Limbaugh.
    Vet is as big a racist as half of the posters on here (based on the one comment he left referring to whites as “crackers,” way to make a point that buries your character moron)
    Let’s face it Limbaugh supporters, the guy’s a grade A hypocrite, coward, and fear monger. He made NUMEROUS statements before becoming addicted to (and caught abusing) painkillers, that drug offenders should all be jailed… Remember? Remember? Did he go to jail? Did he volunteer himself? NO!! He did EVERYTHING possible to make sure that he avoinded jail time.
    Guy’s a douche of the first degree, the fact that some folks defend him is quite an indictment if you ask me.

  133. OhYesYouWill says: Oct 8, 2009 1:32 PM

    LMAO liberals are funny, especially because they have no idea what the word “hypocrite” means
    As has been said on here already, if this was Keith Olbermann trying to a buy a team, there wouldn’t be NEARLY as much uproar about it, despite that he says just as many ridiculously over the top comments as Limbaugh does. FACT.
    Secondly, as has also been pointed out, to be criticizing someone’s character/drug use like that is insanely ironic, considering the potential/current ownership groups that have appeared throughout sports (ex. Jay-Z, i’m sure he’s never sniffed a drug in his life, right? lol).
    Personally, I wouldn’t give a rat’s ass about my sports team’s owner’s politics. Do you think Republican Steeler fans gave a rats ass about Dan Rooney working for Obama while they were winning the Super Bowl last year? HELL NO!
    The ONLY thing that should matter is whether or not the owner puts a winning team on the field. Whether it’s Limbaugh, Michael Moore, MC Hammer, whoever, that’s ALL that matters. If they can afford it, and they run it correctly, that’s it.
    If you want a league full of saints to follow, try the WNBA, and not even THEY are completely immune (Diana Taurasi much?). Ah, liberal ignorance, ALWAYS good for a laugh.

  134. CurseofBoJackson says: Oct 8, 2009 1:52 PM

    OhYes….. because “conservatives” have never accused anyone of being hypocritical, yet another perfect example of hypocrasy, it appears that YOU need to re-read the definition. And, if the comment was left based at all on mine, remember I feel the same way about Mr. Olbermann, he’s a douche too, and what about Mr. Limbaugh’s cries for the jailing of all drug addicts? Please enlighten me, how is that statement paired with his own admission not hypocritical and ironic? So wonderfully and poetically ironic, couldn’t have happened to a better person.

  135. SpartaChris says: Oct 8, 2009 2:43 PM

    PayDoh says:
    October 7, 2009 11:51 PM
    However I will state the Republican part has no right trying to jump in the conversation when they made no attempt over eight years to change anything.

    Yeah, that’s not totally true. In 2003, Bush and McCain tried to pass legislation that would have increased government oversight of both Freddie and Fannie, citing the potential for problems to develop with the junk loans being made. That legislation was shot down by Barney Frank, who made the comment, “We don’t need oversight, everything is fine.”
    Fast forward five years and look what happened.

  136. Ocelot138 says: Oct 8, 2009 2:53 PM

    @Dave The Dude
    Thank you and your father/grandfather for their service.
    Notice how most Limbaugh knob-slobberers haven’t served in the military, they lead a life of comfortable white privelege and never had to sacrifice anything – so much so that they have the audacity to claim that Obama is racist against THEM.
    When white people go “but, but, but… Wright said mean things about white people! How DARE he!” it’s not about having everything be equal – it’s anger that Wright got away with saying mean things about white people (admittedly racist, yes) but they can’t go around calling people ni–ers. Racism hasn’t died, the language of it just went underground. Lots of coded racism in this thread, for example.

  137. Ocelot138 says: Oct 8, 2009 2:54 PM

    Florio –
    Does it bother you at all that your audience is comprised of so many ignorant racist rednecks?
    There are so many straw man arguments in this thread regarding Rush Limbaugh, it’s becoming a fire hazard.

  138. E4C says: Oct 8, 2009 4:12 PM

    ocelet138: I guess you could lump me in with those defending Limbaugh in here. In case you didn’t realize, the “E4″ part of my handle comes from my former pay rate (corporal in the Marine Corps), and yes, I did serve a tour in Iraq (in the infantry no less). Where did you get your stats about “how most Limbaugh knob-slobbers haven’t served in the military”. The Military Times did a poll and IIRC roughly 70% of people in the military voted for McCain. There’s a reason Democrats have been trying for years to get Limbaugh off the Armed Forces Radio Network, despite the fact that his popularity has kept him there.
    I love how leftists continually throw around stuff like “racist”, “bigot”, and “redneck”. The more you use these attacks, the less effective they are.

  139. Detroiter says: Oct 8, 2009 4:30 PM

    You libs are a hoot. Just because Rush isn’t PC and isn’t afraid to make fun of folks, he’s a racist. If you’d take the time to listen, you’d realize he often uses absurdity to drive home his points. How come when a black comedian makes fun of white folks you don’t call him a racist??? Hmmm?? Most of the time those comedians are a riot and I get a good laugh. Unfortunately, if you flip a lot of those jokes around and have a white make fun of black folks you can guaran-damn-tee the racist label will get thrown. It’s sad we’re so PC we can laugh together…
    Btw, if Rush becomes an owner, I wonder how many of his black, multi-millionaire employees will agree with his position on lower taxes???

  140. Ocelot138 says: Oct 8, 2009 5:06 PM

    Congratulations, E4. I appreciate your service. But the Marines have never been a shining example of intelligence and compassion.
    I didn’t quote stats about the military ratio of Rush’s listeners. There are far more of his audience comprised of fat redneck chickenhawks than actual soldiers.
    How did you feel about fighting in Iraq? Do you really believe you’re fighting for the freedom of those people? You know they used to have schools and running water over in Baghdad, and all that stuff that Bush told us about WMD were lies. Did you know anyone that died over there? How do you feel, knowing that they died predicated on a lie?

  141. Abe Froeman says: Oct 8, 2009 5:08 PM

    E4c, to prove something about Limbaugh you cite a totally irrelevant figure about McCain?
    Further, your COMSEC training should have taught you not to highlight your rank on the internet. And that you should absolutely not prop up your military background for to support your views. That is a disservice to military who unequivocally support the President and Government of the United States, and to Marine Corps who do not support your views.
    Its great that you’re proud of your of your service, and you should be, but do not dishonor it by making comments and then using your service as though you are above others.

  142. Abe Froeman says: Oct 8, 2009 5:16 PM

    I apologize for the typos in my previous response. It was a serious post, and the typos detract from its purpose. Please excuse them.

  143. Abe Froeman says: Oct 8, 2009 5:19 PM

    Detroiter –
    You libs are a hoot. Just because Rush isn’t PC and isn’t afraid to make fun of folks, he’s a racist. If you’d take the time to listen, you’d realize he often uses absurdity to drive home his points. How come when a black comedian makes fun of white folks you don’t call him a racist??? Hmmm??
    ________________________________
    Because they are comedians, you said it yourself. Unless you are admitting that Rush is nothing more than a comedian.
    In which case I entirely agree.
    Great point!

  144. SpartaChris says: Oct 8, 2009 6:10 PM

    Ocelot138 says:
    October 8, 2009 2:53 PM
    @Dave The Dude
    Thank you and your father/grandfather for their service.
    Notice how most Limbaugh knob-slobberers haven’t served in the military, they lead a life of comfortable white privelege and never had to sacrifice anything – so much so that they have the audacity to claim that Obama is racist against THEM.

    I love how you think all white people live a life of privilege and how none of us ever had to make a sacrifice. Shows what a complete and utter tool you are.

  145. PayDoh says: Oct 8, 2009 6:42 PM

    Sparta, I know about the republicans trying to get a handle on freddie/fannie. I also know about frankin grimes, bernie frank and other democrats saying there is absolutely nothing wrong with those companies. The sad part most people think Bush was responsible for the housing collapse when the truth is it was the democrats. I challenge anyone to prove me wrong.

  146. E4C says: Oct 8, 2009 7:06 PM

    ocelot138: You skipped over the important point: that libs have been trying for years to get Limbaugh off the air on the AFRN, despite his popularity on it. The point is that Limbaugh is on it because many people in the military want to listen to him. Also, please don’t attempt to insult my intelligence by claiming the Marine Corps is somehow stupid. I guarantee I have more education and experience than most of the people who post here. Believe it or not, the Marine Corps generally requires a higher ASVAB score than most other services.
    As far as supporting the war goes, yes I do. I didn’t before I went, but as I was there in the beginning, I was “fortunate” enough to visit some mass graves and places where people were tortured by Saddam. People who try to act like he was some beacon of fairness sicken me.
    Abe Froeman: Had you been in the military, you would know that the term you’re looking for is OPSEC, not COMSEC. Furthermore, I’ve been out of the Corps for almost half a decade, what I say about my service is my own business. But the point that you missed, when I was explaining that I had served, was to counter ocelet’s implication that people who have served don’t actually support Rush. But, I suppose experience really does mean nothing to your kind. That’s how we ended up with the president we have.

  147. Dave The Dude says: Oct 8, 2009 7:58 PM

    @Ocelot:
    As a black man, I do get sick of hearing white people whine about racism. It’s like one black man gets elected as President, and suddenly I have to listen to all these rednecks crying about reverse-racism. As if they’ve actually had to suffer somehow.
    Don’t give me this, “Rush really likes black people” nonsense. If that’s true, have him do a radio show in Atlanta or Washington DC in front of a black audience, rather than hiding in the midwest with all the other racists. Let him play his “magic negro” song here in my neighborhood, or at a black church. Come on out to any black neighborhood, without any body guards or cops to protect you (since you’re too much a coward to protect yourself), and play that song for any black person. He wouldn’t do that though, because like most racists, he’s a spineless coward with no integrity.
    As far as Rush owning an NFL team, I agree with Roman. Good luck fielding a decent NFL team without any of us “magic negroes” on the squad, Rush.

  148. sandy70 says: Oct 8, 2009 8:55 PM

    SteelTown_6 says:
    Rush is a Nazi, with an audience.
    ———————————–
    And yet William Clay Ford–owner of the Detroit Lions–is the grandson of Henry Ford, who was awarded the Grand Cross of the German Eagle, the highest medal that could be bestowed on a foreigner by the Nazi regime.
    You know, for service to the Third Reich.
    Maybe you should know what the hell you’re talking about before you go casting aspersions at someone like those Limbaugh is being lambasted for making regarding Obama or McNabb.
    And since when did someone’s politics being out of fashion disqualify them from taking part in free enterprise? Unless someone can answer that question, there isn’t one solid reason why Rush Limbaugh shouldn’t be considered as viable a potential owner of the Rams as anyone else taking part in the process.
    Anyone saying otherwise because of their political leanings is as bigoted as they proclaim Rush to be.

  149. Abe Froeman says: Oct 8, 2009 8:59 PM

    Actually E4C COMSEC was what I was looking for. And it just proves my point that your COMSEC training was limited.
    OPSEC deals with details of specific missions, trainings, etc. COMSEC is the broader security concept that deals with, among other things, public communications.
    And I didn’t miss your point, you missed THE point. That being that the man said a small % of the supporters aren’t military, you saying that you are does nothing to disqualify his statement. That’s just logic.

  150. DirtMcGirt24 says: Oct 8, 2009 9:02 PM

    Disproportionate number of pro-Rush/Right posts compared to anti-Rush/Right posts between the hours of 8 AM and 5 PM today. Speaking of handouts, what handouts are you all depending on? It sure doesn’t seem as if you work much.
    And also speaking of the increasing handouts since the 1960s, what party has generally been in control of government the most during this period?

  151. Dave The Dude says: Oct 8, 2009 9:12 PM

    E4C –
    I can tell you were an enlisted grunt if you support a man who openly said he wants our government to fail and called our Commander in Chief a “magic negro.” You enlisted boys were stuffed in infantry for a reason (no brains, no valuable skills). Had you earned a college education and put a little more effort into your military service, you might have the rank to actually open your pie-hole. We don’t care what you think any more now than when you were scrubbing floors in Iraq. And had you actually had a pair of balls and put some sweat into your service, you’d have more than an E4 coming out of Parris Island with the rest of the ladies.
    I’m a retired (USN) O-6 ULO and if you were under my command, you’d be dropped a grade like any other grunt who can’t hack it in the Navy and who lacks respect for the Commander in Chief. I urge you to call our President a “magic negro” in front of your CO off-base. If he’s worth his salt, you would be on the ground before you knew what hit you.
    How dare you come on here under the guise of having served in the military (especially the US Navy) and say anything negative about our President? What Regiment/Battalion did you say you served with? I’d like to get a hold of whoever’s running that outfit and find out what’s going on that we now have grunts publicly criticizing our President online. You sir, are a disgrace to the USMC and to your Regiment.

  152. E4C says: Oct 8, 2009 10:53 PM

    Abe Froeman: You may think you want COMSEC, but you can actually look these terms up if you want. COMSEC is about secure military communications. That is, it deals with how we hide our comms from the enemy (for instance, using encryption). OPSEC encompasses keeping information from the enemy in the public arena. The motto of OPSEC, as you may have heard it, is “loose lips sink ships.”
    Dave The Dude: I have no desire to get in a pissing match with some pogue navy officer. If you had actually read any of my posts, you’d know that I’m no longer in the service (having received my honorable discharge years ago), and as such, no military officer has any power over me. It’s obvious you have little knowledge of the Marine Corps or how it works, which is common with navy pogues. While the army and the navy are content to hand out rank like it’s candy, the Marine Corps is a little more selective. The only person I’ve ever known that came out of Marine Corps Basic Training as a corporal was someone who transferred from another service (the army), where they had attained the rank of captain. Yea, you read that right. A captain in the army is worth a corporal in the Marine Corps. Also, your belief that I have no college education is hilarious. Not only do I have a bachelor’s of science degree, but I’m close to reaching my master’s degree. Furthermore, repeating the tired “Limbaugh wants our government to fail” nonsense shows the level to which you ingest propaganda. Limbaugh never said any such thing. He said he wants Obama to fail, which would actually be a good thing for our government and our country.

  153. SpartaChris says: Oct 8, 2009 11:45 PM

    PayDoh says:
    October 8, 2009 6:42 PM
    Sparta, I know about the republicans trying to get a handle on freddie/fannie. I also know about frankin grimes, bernie frank and other democrats saying there is absolutely nothing wrong with those companies. The sad part most people think Bush was responsible for the housing collapse when the truth is it was the democrats. I challenge anyone to prove me wrong.
    ====================================
    No, you’re absolutely right. It started when Clinton decided it was racist that poor people couldn’t qualify for traditional loans based on key things like verifiable income and credit. That’s when he campaigned for his buddy Franklin Raines to become the head of Fannie and help soften the criteria used to purchase loans. Thus the dominoes began to fall.
    Funny how the liberals always want to ignore that fact so they can blame Bush.
    Here’s a question- if the left wing liberals can’t handle Rush Limbaugh, how can they possibly fight a war on terror?

  154. PayDoh says: Oct 9, 2009 12:40 AM

    Sparta, it actually didn’t “start” with Clinton as it really started with Jimmy Carter. Now in truth, it was to prohibit, “redlining” or the deliberate actions of banks declining mortages to certain demographic areas, specifically the urban community. I think it was done with good intentions but the problem was a snowball rolling downhill.
    Throughout Clinton’s administration, nobody was willing to do enough background checks on people financially. If someone “republicans” tried to say anything they would have been deemed “racists” which is no surpise. Fast forward to the Fannie/Freddie mess with Democrats like I mentioned prohibiting changes in the way mortages were given and you get the housing collapse.
    Anyone want to tell me I’m wrong, I will gladly read your post and respond with a respectful post back. If what I’m saying is wrong, don’t throw stereotypes around. Prove to me where I am wrong.

  155. PatricktheDookie says: Oct 9, 2009 1:32 AM

    So much rhetoric in this thread…

  156. Dave The Dude says: Oct 9, 2009 5:40 AM

    E4C:
    I’m not going to sit here and swap insults with a vet, even if you were a grunt. It’s a great thing that you have returned home safely. I applaud your continued education and wish you the best of success, regardless of your personal political beliefs.
    My point, before the donk-waving, was that any member of our Armed Forces, regardless of status, should not be wishing for the President to fail. I have never wished that for any President, even the ones whose policies I have disagreed with. Because if the President fails, our whole nation suffers. Regardless of whether or not you understand this, it is a fact (inflation alone being a good example). It bothers me to see so many Americans of both political “parties” actually wishing for such nonsense. If it actually happened it would be you, the lower-income individuals, who would end up taking the biggest hit. And what kind of person would actually wish for anyone’s failure simply so they could say they had been “right” about something? That is cowardice, plain and simple. And when you aim that hatred at our government, you start sounding like some kind of nutjob terrorist like McVeigh.

  157. Detroiter says: Oct 9, 2009 5:52 AM

    Abe Froeman says:
    Because they are comedians, you said it yourself. Unless you are admitting that Rush is nothing more than a comedian.
    In which case I entirely agree.
    Great point!
    ——————————————-
    Yes, in part. Rush has consistently said he’s an entertainer, and I think that’s where most libs don’t get it because they don’t listen to the show. He pokes fun at just about everything and everyone – especially libs…because it’s so easy…
    So to my point: why do black comedians get a pass and everyone else gets to walk on egg shells around the PC police?

  158. Abe Froeman says: Oct 9, 2009 3:22 PM

    Black comedians don’t get a pass. Comedians get a pass. There are black comedians who don’t make fun of white people. Just like there are white comedians who do make fun of black people. Prime example being Daniel Tosh. Its the fact that they are entirely comedic and that everything they say is a joke is why the normal rules of social etiquette don’t apply.
    Rush tries to be much more than a comedian. Without trying to read into his mind too much, he sees himself as some sort of conservative vanguard, and many of the things he says he is dead serious about, and is definitely not joking.

  159. BonnieD says: Oct 10, 2009 4:48 AM

    Man, scanning this page I see a lot of people who have made judgements about a guy who they know nothing about.
    Rush Limbaugh is absolutely not a racist. He would support any number of conservative African Americans for President. He just doesn’t agree with Obama’s political policies. He’s not going to support any liberal, and Obama is as liberal as they come.
    He is a huge Steeler fan (So I can’t believe I’m sticking up for him)
    He is knowledgeable of the NFL, and he’s a good guy. I can’t believe the nonsense I’m seeing on here.
    Right now, until the socialists get done with it, this is still a free country, and if you can afford to buy something, you can buy it. I can’t believe what I’m seeing on here. People who want to deny someone the right to buy property. What is happening to my country?

  160. Abe Froeman says: Oct 10, 2009 3:26 PM

    Oh, my my, what happening to poor country, ey Bonnie?
    Your such a victim. I feel such great pity for you. How do you live?
    And oh yeah, you’d be well served to look up what socialism is. And what the end result of socialist agenda is. And then try to find a twist words to tell me President Obama is a socialist. Really, that socialist argument is so fundamentally flawed it’s laughable.
    And then you may want to look up all the services of this country you use and live by that are also socialized. You may find out that many social services in this country are essential to this country working.
    Or then again, maybe you want private fire extinguishing companies haggling with you offer price while your house burns down. Wouldn’t that be a hoot?

  161. GoldCross says: Oct 10, 2009 8:26 PM

    The NFL (majority of the stakeholders are blacks) should never allow Rush to buy ownership in the Rams.
    This guy has made a career and a fortune out of being a racist and a bigot, which it can only happen in America.
    Some of his despicable quotes are:
    James Earl Ray (killer of Martin Luther King) should be given a national award.
    We should go back to slavery, because the streets were quite.
    Barack the magic negro (I know some of his like minded people are defending him for not being the originator of Barack the Magic negro, not really surprised because you’ve to have zero intelligence to defend this guy. What these dummies are saying is one can make despicable statement so as long he or she is not the originator of the statement).

  162. sc_fin_fan says: Oct 11, 2009 7:38 AM

    Hey, anybody remember Marge Schott when she was alive and owned the Cincy Reds? Limbaugh is a paragon of civil rights compared to her!
    Especially in this economy, anyone willing to invest in a NFL franchise to keep them in a city such as St. Louis, where other franchises have come and gone should be commended.
    That being said, will Limbaugh be a true conservative when it comes to the stadium financing for replacement or upgrades, or will he look to funding from the government for that??? If he goes hat in hand to the city, county, and/or state governments for funding, that will hurt him where it hurts – his radio show constituency and his credibility with that audience, where his fortune comes from!

  163. Dawgpound2009 says: Oct 13, 2009 12:23 AM

    Personally I think Obama should come out with a song called “Rush the Hypocritical Honky” He’s already won two grammys and the Nobel Peace prize why not another grammy? Maybe Hillary could play the drums and do back-up vocals!!!!

  164. Tom says: Oct 18, 2009 10:35 AM

    A backlash is coming!

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