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Limbaugh gets support from an unlikely source

Rush Limbaugh has made plenty of news this week via his interest in buying the St. Louis Rams.

The polarizing radio host’s bid has, to no surprise, had polarizing results.

And for every person who says Limbaugh should be blackballed, there will be another person supporting him.

But one of the voices expressing support for Limbaugh is an unlikely one.

Keith Olbermann of MSNBC defended Limbaugh’s right to buy the Rams.  And Olbermann made the critics of Limbaugh on this point entry No. 3 on Olbermann’s nightly “Worst Persons in the World” segment of Countdown.  

“There’re now gonna be character tests for sports owners?” Olbermann said.  “There’ll only be three of them left.  Unless they beat the Vikings Sunday as of next Thursday it will have been a full year since the Rams won a game.  My God, if Limbaugh wants to buy them far be it for me to tell him he’s flushing his money down a rat hole.”

Regardless of Olbermann’s position, there will still be loud voices of opposition to Limbaugh.

And loud voices of support.

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103 Responses to “Limbaugh gets support from an unlikely source”
  1. Revacard says: Oct 8, 2009 9:15 PM

    Duh he’d say that. It would be hypocritical that he does sports news even though he is a lefty. I am kind of happy of this news because of my prediction ability. I thought last year Limbaugh would be interested in the Steelers.

  2. TheWizard says: Oct 8, 2009 9:15 PM

    Olbermann got it right. I’m impressed.
    Usually liberals only allow “tolerance” and “diversity” if you agree with them completely.

  3. novanative says: Oct 8, 2009 9:16 PM

    Loud voices of support, from whom? Southern rednecks?

  4. this class sucks says: Oct 8, 2009 9:17 PM

    He certainly has the right to buy a team, but I don’t know why anyone would want to buy the Rams? The only way he could be a worse owner, is if he refuses to draft African Americans, which doesn’t seem impossible.

  5. sevenirongator says: Oct 8, 2009 9:17 PM

    he’s a mavrick

  6. Jonathan says: Oct 8, 2009 9:20 PM

    Nice to see you were watching his show tonite, Florio Olbermann.

  7. SATAN says: Oct 8, 2009 9:22 PM

    Loved KO as a sportscaster in the early 80′s in LA

  8. SmackMyVickUp says: Oct 8, 2009 9:24 PM

    Still don’t see an issue with him buying a minor interest in the team. He will not have a controlling stake and probably will have little say if any in the running of day to day operations.
    Let me be the first to stand up and yell real loud about a lot of stuff that doesn’t make sense.
    Could see concern if he wanted a majority stake and control over day to day operations, but it is not there yet.

  9. Olbermanisadouche says: Oct 8, 2009 9:26 PM

    Bravo Olberman…but your still a douchebag…

  10. SmackMyVickUp says: Oct 8, 2009 9:30 PM

    Limbaugh actually fell to 3rd spot on Olbermann’s “Worst Persons in the World” segment. Think he has always been #1 or #2 when I have watched.
    Might as well rename it “Limbaugh and friends” or “People worse than Limbaugh.” Not as quite catchy.
    Make it happen Florio.

  11. Winston Wolfe says: Oct 8, 2009 9:30 PM

    I think the NBC higher ups figured out that it would be best not to bash Limbaugh to keep from alienating many of the other NFL owners. But kudos to Florio for printing the story (something I thought would never see the light of day) and trying to take a middle of the road approach. (Maybe Florio got marching orders too).

  12. ohandsixteenforever says: Oct 8, 2009 9:31 PM

    It’s not just that Limbaugh doesn’t have character. It’s the manner in which he lacks character. Liars cheats and snake oil salesmen may not be noble beings but racists are in another category altogether. Off the top of my head I can’t think of any NFL owners that so blatantly discriminate against a single race. If there are then they should not be able to own a team either. So NFL owners do not need to possess an abundance of character but there are lines that should not be crossed. One more thought…I’ve seen the argument about whether or not he would do something to embarrass the league if he becomes an owner and I think the point is moot. Limbaugh has already said what he feels and it doesn’t matter that if he repeats it or not as an owner. It’s unsettling to know that an owner would be thinking that way whether aloud or not.

  13. Zukny says: Oct 8, 2009 9:35 PM

    I’ll be honest. I think Limbaugh is hilarious! I hope he gets the team, and he wouldn’t be a cheap owner. The man will do what it takes to get that team on track.

  14. Desides says: Oct 8, 2009 9:35 PM

    Florio, if we wanted to know what Keith Olbermann thinks, we would watch his show. It’s cool that you seem to think MSNBC is worthwhile television, but Keith Olbermann’s position on Rush Limbaugh and Dave Checketts’ bid is irrelevant.

  15. bearsrule says: Oct 8, 2009 9:36 PM

    I want to be there when Limpballs asks Stephen Jackson if he’s a Crip or a Blood.

  16. Richierich420 says: Oct 8, 2009 9:38 PM

    Who cares if Limbaugh owns a team? I’m sure he won’t be grabbing the mic and doing the halftime show. This is about football and I expect he can keep politics out of it as everybody should.

  17. rolltide says: Oct 8, 2009 9:39 PM

    I think for my anti-limbaugh post I’m going to reference his past addiction to painkillers. It’s kind of a new angle that hasn’t been explored in PFT comments yet.

  18. Jonathan Fredericy says: Oct 8, 2009 9:40 PM

    my how the mighty have fallen. the rams are beyond terrible. they have 2 good players. otogwe and steven jackson. their tight ends and wide receivers are worse than several college teams. giving bulger that extension was a huge mistake just like drafting chris long was. I cant name a cornerback on the team since they got rid of tye hill (another bust). They play in the worst divison in football and even using the principle of any given sunday they still cant win a game. Its gotten so bad that lately in fantasy football ive been picking up whatever defense is playing the rams that week. Now they have favre and ap to go up against. ouch

  19. Winston Wolfe says: Oct 8, 2009 9:43 PM

    After further review, the NBC lawyers possibly put out the word, (that includes Florio and Olbermmann) , DO NOT do anything that would antagonize or be construed as some action that could be interpreted as an act that would keep Rush from purchasing the Rams. Rush and his team of lawyers would likely be all to eager to sue NBC for an amount that contains a lot of zeros.

  20. Winston Wolfe says: Oct 8, 2009 9:49 PM

    I can’t wait for the day to see Keith Olbermann standing on the Super Bowl stage presenting the Lombardi Trophy to Rush Limbaugh.

  21. FranktheTank says: Oct 8, 2009 10:02 PM

    Who watches Keith Olberman???? Most people watch Bill O’Reilly…

  22. PennVike says: Oct 8, 2009 10:04 PM

    Wow, some of these comments are just making me laugh. It is amazing how people who are completely ignorant on this subject are so willing to write their garbage for everyone to see. It’s really pretty embarrassing. I love how an addiction to painkillers is the unforgivable sin (unless of course the former addict was a liberal….then it would be OK). And anybody who truly believes that Limbaugh is a racist has never actually listened to his show and knows nothing about the man. The truth is that if Limbaugh had different political views, you libs wouldn’t care about his supposed character flaws (see Ted Kennedy or former KKK member and current democrat senator Robert Byrd). Double standards anyone?
    If people can’t comment with any kind of knowledge, it’s probably best if they don’t comment at all.

  23. Deb says: Oct 8, 2009 10:12 PM

    @nonvanative …
    Bigotry is bigotry, regardless of the target. Yeah, a lot of Southerners love Limbaugh. But a lot of us don’t. And a lot of Northerners, Midwesterners, and Westerners just love him to pieces. Please give those old stereotypes a rest.
    @Winston Wolfe …
    Even if they’re conservatives, it’s hard to believe many of the NFL’s billionaire owners are Limbaugh listeners. And the guy makes his living as a lightning rod for controversy. He doesn’t want anyone playing nice on his account.

  24. CaptainObvious says: Oct 8, 2009 10:16 PM

    Man, the left-tards sure do come crawling out of the woodwork on these Limbaugh stories.
    Must not be any Klan or Aryan Brotherhood rallies tonight either.

  25. Bazooka Joe says: Oct 8, 2009 10:24 PM

    Rush is a drug using conservative racist. I pray the owneras shut him out.

  26. Sow Crates says: Oct 8, 2009 10:25 PM

    NFL players, most of whom have work ethics we can hardly begin to fathom, don’t want to be compared to cheap, low-life gangsters. There’s been too large number of players busted on drug charges, weapon charges, DUI’s and domestic abuses. HOWEVER, there’s probably not more than 50-100 guys who have one of these things in their history. So about 3-5% of NFL players make dumb mistakes in their personal lives.
    Rush Limbaugh has never shied away from real statistics when he’s chosen to make sweeping generalizations about racial groups. That includes one instance when he’s described NFL games as a battle between the Bloods and the Crips.
    Who knows how widespread it will be, but I guarantee a good number of African American players simply will NOT want to have Rush writing their checks based on who he’s been in the past. Rush would have to ease off on his radio show and edit a lot of what he says if he wants to take NFL ownership seriously.

  27. Abe Froeman says: Oct 8, 2009 10:32 PM

    Anyone else notice the side that uses more insults?

  28. LebronJeremy says: Oct 8, 2009 10:36 PM

    CaptainObvious,
    Ummmm. The Klan and the Aryan Brotherhood, yeah, those are right-winged organizations. you actually don’t even have to know anything to know that fact. So…you actually know less than nothing.

  29. TheWizard says: Oct 8, 2009 10:36 PM

    Must not be any Klan or Aryan Brotherhood rallies tonight either.
    They were postponed due the baseball playoffs.
    Or so I heard.

  30. SC21 says: Oct 8, 2009 10:38 PM

    @ PennVike
    Its not that his addiction was a sin (though it was a crime). Hell, the ACLU actually went to court to defend Limbaugh’s. (not that he would ever admit it)! Its the hypocrisy. When a non-conservative uses drugs, people like Limbaugh call them scum and shout that they should be locked up forever and a day. When he does it, somehow its ok and punishment isn’t needed.

  31. chapnasty says: Oct 8, 2009 10:38 PM

    Penvike says:
    Wow, some of these comments are just making me laugh. It is amazing how people who are completely ignorant on this subject are so willing to write their garbage for everyone to see. It’s really pretty embarrassing. I love how an addiction to painkillers is the unforgivable sin (unless of course the former addict was a liberal….then it would be OK). And anybody who truly believes that Limbaugh is a racist has never actually listened to his show and knows nothing about the man. The truth is that if Limbaugh had different political views, you libs wouldn’t care about his supposed character flaws (see Ted Kennedy or former KKK member and current democrat senator Robert Byrd). Double standards anyone?
    If people can’t comment with any kind of knowledge, it’s probably best if they don’t comment at all.
    ——————————————
    Could not agree more my friend. I have listened to Rush for years, for a period I hated him and now as the country is falling apart I cant help but love him. But my political opinions are irrelevant. You said it best. Limbaugh has never said anything remotely racist unless you say that cutting welfare and other social crutches that hold people back are racist. Furthermore all he ever speaks is equal opportunities for all. The left preaches “special” treatment for some. He is actually a funny dude who is probably just as normal as any one of us. Except many of you are envious of his success so you call him a drugie (which is nonsense) and other hate terms that arent true at all. 20 Million people listen to him a week. Must be a lot of rednecks huh?
    Haters… keep your goddamn mouth closed. Its best to be tought a fool then to open your mouth, or in this case keyboard and remove all doubt. Ignorance breeds Ignorance.

  32. HATERADE says: Oct 8, 2009 10:39 PM

    hey rush limpboar, stay away from the nfl. we care for you as much as we do about tila tequila stories….

  33. SpartaChris says: Oct 8, 2009 10:42 PM

    novanative says:
    October 8, 2009 9:16 PM
    Loud voices of support, from whom? Southern rednecks?

    I’m not from the South. Nor am I a redneck. I support Rush in his quest to buy the Rams.
    So now what?

  34. Rex Grossman says: Oct 8, 2009 10:46 PM

    My neighbor Sue is a Rush Limbaugh supporter. She even sports a Limbaugh bumper sticker on her 1995 Chevy Lumina Minivan. So everyone who drives within her vicinity will be aware she agrees with Rush’s views. She’s nearly 60 years old and believes her home is possessed by demons. My point is, if you see someone with a Rush Limbaugh bumper sitcker, chances are they are insane. Therefore I do not believe he would represent the NFL well and should not purchase the St. Louis Rams.

  35. PayDoh says: Oct 8, 2009 10:54 PM

    SOME people who lean left on here love to throw out the stupid, “No klan rallies tonight” comment. The reason is they can’t defend their views with complete sentences. Wait, I was under the impression that liberals were tolerant of everyone’s views? Clearly they aren’t, such hypocrites.
    I’m from Pennsylvania, not a redneck, not from the south and have never listened to Rush Limbaugh. I still say Liberalism is a mental disorder. I was in support of Obama being president, but he has not done one thing he has promised. How about that healthcare bill that they refuse to let people see? I thought they were about not hiding anything? The honeymoon is over.

  36. stanjam says: Oct 8, 2009 10:58 PM

    Not a real surprise. Olberman hates Limbaugh, but he doesn’t automatically attack like Limbaugh does. Olberman is very concerned with people’s rights, and I would expect him to support this idiot’s right to buy a football team. While Olberman is very left, he isn’t unreasonable. It is the Limbaughs who automatically attack anything that streams from the left. They would attack a solution that would grant world peace, save the economy, and environment, and poverty, and all of societies ills if it came from a liberal, simply because of the source. After all, it was Limbaugh who was CHEERING that we lost the Olympics, because Obama helped try to get them. How patriotic.

  37. PayDoh says: Oct 8, 2009 11:11 PM

    SOME people who lean left on here love to throw out the stupid, “No klan rallies tonight” comment. The reason is they can’t defend their views with complete sentences. Wait, I was under the impression that liberals were tolerant of everyone’s views? Clearly they aren’t, such hypocrites.
    I’m from Pennsylvania, not a redneck, not from the south and have never listened to Rush Limbaugh. I still say Liberalism is a mental disorder. I was in support of Obama being president, but he has not done one thing he has promised. How about that healthcare bill that they refuse to let people see? I thought they were about not hiding anything? The honeymoon is over.

  38. TheDPR says: Oct 8, 2009 11:13 PM

    Only an ignorant retard would think Rush Limbaugh is a racist. His right hand man on his radio show, Mister Snerdly, is African American. He has nothing against black people. He is only critical of liberal black people like he’s critical of EVERYone he considers liberal.
    Newsflash: that’s the radio $chtick that has made him enough money to be in the running to buy himself a football team. America made Rush Limbaugh.

  39. MasterShake says: Oct 8, 2009 11:16 PM

    Limbaugh gets support from an unlikely source
    Victoria’s Secret sent him a new bra instead of Lane Bryant?

  40. Avon Barksdale says: Oct 8, 2009 11:28 PM

    Wow, this topic really brings out the morons, doesn’t it. Simply mentioning Olbermann causes people to opine that he and Florio are best friends now.
    Seriously guys, it’s getting pathetic how you people use every post made by him to try to divine his personal opinions, like some kind of retarded commenter thought gestapo. Florio will have to get a PFA before too long – you are a bunch of freaks.
    Also, why are Conservatives unable to spell? I’m pretty sure it’s because the mention of their hero Rush Limbaugh causes them to have to type one handed.
    Tonight we’re seeing one of the most hilarious of the right-wing troglodyte arguments – “accuse your detractors of intolerance.” Newsflash mongs, political affiliation isn’t a race, so we can make fun of you all we want – at least we don’t call everyone who disagrees with us a traitor, as was commonplace during the Bush years.
    “Reverse racism?” What a joke. White folks should learn to take it as good as we dished it out for the last 400 years. Limbaugh being a bigot is pretty obvious, considering every single one of his offensive comments has been documented. All his butt-buddies can do is hide behind some weak bs about context.
    It’s fun to laugh at you fools, but it’s also kind of sad. Going out on a limb for a guy who wants America to fail unless his people are in power. :)

  41. SC21 says: Oct 8, 2009 11:28 PM

    @ PayDoh
    So… you parrot the lines of idiots like Mike Weiner, yet you claim to “support” Obama? Also, the health care bills (there are several) have been prominently posted online and in the Congressional record. Since its, you know, the law that they do that. And since when is the footdragging of obstructionist Republicans in Congress the President’s fault?

  42. Porno Mike says: Oct 8, 2009 11:39 PM

    Oh I’m sure tons of black atheletes are more than eager to play ball for a professional race-baiter, nevermind the fact the team sucks like a redneck’s daughter at a rap concert. Yeah, that’s the ticket!
    Get this, teabaggers -
    Rush the draft-dodging “hillybill heroin” addict will NEVER be allowed to own part of an NFL team – ever. They’re just testing the waters now and the waters will be far too hot for the league to ever allow such a poisonous and disreputable buffoon into their private club. They’re not in the business of alienating more than half of their fanbase so do try to wake up and smell reality for once in your pig-ignorant lives…and have a nice day!

  43. INVAIDUH says: Oct 8, 2009 11:45 PM

    clip that right wing.

  44. pourfavor says: Oct 8, 2009 11:50 PM

    Florio, more than a little disappointed in the “blackballed” comment. That’s slumming man, however appropriate the usage.
    Pour some out for Marge Schott. She assuredly would have provided staunch, compelling support for Rush.

  45. ragin40 says: Oct 8, 2009 11:52 PM

    He’s still a fat racist junkie….

  46. SpartaChris says: Oct 8, 2009 11:53 PM

    I posted this on the other Rush thread, but it bears repeating here: If the left wing liberals can’t handle Rush Limbaugh, how can they possibly fight a war on terror?
    @PayDoh- It wasn’t that they refused to let people see it. In fact, they made it available for download. The bigger issue was that congress refused to agree to read it. When a bill requiring everyone in the house and senate to read every word of every single bill before voting on it was was shot down, you knew there were going to be problems. Thankfully the Obamacare bill stalled so some time could be taken to come up with a better solution because the bill at the time was pure crap.

  47. INVAIDUH says: Oct 8, 2009 11:54 PM

    rush sux.
    don’t think left or right think for yourself.

  48. SpartaChris says: Oct 9, 2009 12:02 AM

    SC21 says:
    October 8, 2009 11:28 PM
    @ PayDoh
    So… you parrot the lines of idiots like Mike Weiner, yet you claim to “support” Obama? Also, the health care bills (there are several) have been prominently posted online and in the Congressional record. Since its, you know, the law that they do that. And since when is the footdragging of obstructionist Republicans in Congress the President’s fault?
    =====================================
    Obstructionist Republicans? Too funny, since Democrats pull the same crap when a Republican is in office.

  49. east96street says: Oct 9, 2009 12:02 AM

    I can’t believe you people don’t see the entertainment value in Limbaugh being an owner. Rush, Jerry Jones, Dan Synder – c’mon the NFC won’t be able to go one week without one of three saying something, making a ridiculous trade, over paying a washed up free agent, firing a coach, etc., etc. Not only should he an owner, he should be full owner and GM just like Jones. Man, it would not get any more entertaining than that.

  50. Richierich420 says: Oct 9, 2009 12:16 AM

    Politics and Religion….the two topics that should never invade a sports site

  51. Twiz says: Oct 9, 2009 12:23 AM

    People read a lot into Rush’s comments, good and bad. Often people get one idea in their head, no matter if they are republicans or dems, and they run with it, it doesn’t matter what the facts are.
    I have one absolute fact, one that neither side can deny.
    Before being “caught” with a drug problem, Rush called various users every name in the book. He did this to both the right AND the left. However, what has been completely glossed over recently is that while he is condemning these people, he himself was stoned on Oxycontin.
    Is that the type of person you want running an NFL team?

  52. BDiddy says: Oct 9, 2009 1:00 AM

    Dittoheads are really intelligent and cool.

  53. savagenation says: Oct 9, 2009 1:00 AM

    #
    # novanative says: October 8, 2009 9:16 PM
    Loud voices of support, from whom? Southern rednecks?
    Got news for you kool-aid drinking moron….. most of
    decent,educated, moral America support Limbaugh.
    The left attack those who speak the truth and Limbaugh speaks the truth

  54. savagenation says: Oct 9, 2009 1:02 AM

    October 8, 2009 9:31 PM
    It’s not just that Limbaugh doesn’t have character. It’s the manner in which he lacks character. Liars cheats and snake oil salesmen may not be noble beings but racists are in another category altogether. Off the top of my head I can’t think of any NFL owners that so blatantly discriminate against a single race. If there are then they should not be able to own a team either. So NFL owners do not need to possess an abundance of character but there are lines that should not be crossed. One more thought…I’ve seen the argument about whether or not he would do something to embarrass the league if he becomes an owner and I think the point is moot. Limbaugh has already said what he feels and it doesn’t matter that if he repeats it or not as an owner. It’s unsettling to know that an owner would be thinking that way whether aloud or not.
    Drink some more kool-aid sheep. When you have nothing to say and have no point, you just call some one a racist.

  55. savagenation says: Oct 9, 2009 1:04 AM

    #
    # FranktheTank says: October 8, 2009 10:02 PM
    Who watches Keith Olberman???? Most people watch Bill O’Reilly…
    Most people with any intelligence yes…..

  56. Ocelot138 says: Oct 9, 2009 3:13 AM

    I love the “Oh it looks like liberals aren’t so tolerant after all!”
    As if that, somehow, makes it okay for Rush Limbaugh to be a racist, because some jerk on a football website called southerners rednecks.
    Guess what? When liberals say they’re more tolerant, they don’t mean they aren’t calling their political opponents names – it means, for instance, that when America is attacked, they try to find out who did it and bring them to justice. They don’t yell “Nuke all the brown people!”

  57. Ocelot138 says: Oct 9, 2009 3:15 AM

    Oh, and “The War on Terror” is hilarious,.
    We were only attacked twice by Bin Laden. Once was under Clinton – nobody died, because the liberal had his stuff together.
    Second time was in early september, and the Republican was busy reading “My Pet Goat” to a kindergarden class – and he sat there, frozen like a coward, for almost ten minutes after hearing that we were attacked.
    So, yeah, I can see where the liberals aren’t good at fighting terrorists. Fools.

  58. prophet of the light says: Oct 9, 2009 4:58 AM

    @TheWizard
    It’s Hockey season now… you know, the white sport.
    (/sarcasm)
    In all honestly about the topic, I couldn’t care if he does buy the Rams. He’s an embarrassment to the far right but he’s well within his right to spend his money however he wants (with the rams, I should say “…to waste it”).

  59. Roboto says: Oct 9, 2009 5:47 AM

    BREAKING NEWS!
    PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA has just won the NOBEL PEACE PRIZE!!
    And, the Pittsburgh Steelers will always kick the St. Louis Rams @$$ regardless of who owns the team. But, we already know that:)

  60. Tony says: Oct 9, 2009 5:49 AM

    We should be more worried about Limbaugh supplying unprescribed drugs to the players, don’t know if that habit is checked.

  61. Detroiter says: Oct 9, 2009 6:08 AM

    For all you libs who say Rush should not own an NFL team because he is a racist, then please provide facts. And when I say facts, I don’t mean ‘liberal facts’, i.e. ‘someone disagrees with me therefore I have to call them a name’. I’d love hear what he’s done that qualifies as being racist. Btw, before you answer, you might want to look up the definition and listen to his show….

  62. chapnasty says: Oct 9, 2009 6:16 AM

    @ Avon Barksdale
    Are you kidding me? You have seen 400 years of racism? Man you are an old dude. Chances are you arent a slave, never were one and I can be damn sure that none of my ancestors ever were slave owners and I am more than damn sure that I don’t nor have I ever owned a slave. Stop your damn crying about stuff that never happened to you. Slavery and the racism involved is a skid mark on the history of this great nation. But Republicans fought to end slavery my friend so obviously you are so damn ignorant on your history that you really dont deserve a response. Damn, and I just wasted 2 minutes typing you one. Before I forget, he doesn’t want the country to fail you moron, he wants Obama’s socialist agenda to fail because socailism fails every where it is tried. God you are a damn idiot.
    Next to the people who are saying the conservatives can’t spell. I apologize that not everyone will take the time to type out their response in Word to run the spell check first. See this is a blog, people type, they aren’t always concerned about proper grammar. Get over yourself.
    Like I satated previously it is best not to say anything if you don’t know what you are talking about. Just because you don’t agree with a man’s political views doesn’t mean that he himself is a bad person. That’s the problem with the left, everything has to be personal. When you become mature and wise enough to debate ideas rahter than the man then you earn the right to debate in the first place.
    And to those of you who think an African American player wont get paid from Rush, think again. These self centered athletes will take a check from the devil if it means one million more per year. God you people make me ashamed to be an American with your ignorance.

  63. sciii says: Oct 9, 2009 7:34 AM

    This is what’s wrong with NBC. They try to bring liberal politics into everything. First Olberman on at half ruining that sports segment now Florio bringing it on the blog. Hopefully we don’t get more political propaganda from this site as it currently is heads above the rest. Thanks for your work Mike don’t let NBC bring you down.

  64. clemenza says: Oct 9, 2009 7:39 AM

    after finding out the rams trainer can not write scripts for the doctor shopping kid Rush for Oxycontin he reportedly has had a change of heart and now is looking for a hillbilly doctor that is a listener of his show to write them for him

  65. Roboto says: Oct 9, 2009 8:01 AM

    chapnasty? You are nasty. You scold the left for calling people names. Yet, you call Obama a “socialist”. Typical lies from people like you. Get your facts straight, @$$wipe.

  66. chapnasty says: Oct 9, 2009 8:27 AM

    @ Roboto
    “Socialist” is not a terrible slur of a name unless you believe socialism is terrible. Which it isnt in theory, it is just a failed system of government. So Roboto, you are a mind numb Robot. And I will be more than happy to call you a name, ebcause sir you are an idiot.

  67. NachoBidness says: Oct 9, 2009 8:28 AM

    It used to make me laugh to read through comments like all the ones left before mine, but now it just makes me sad. I’m amazed at the amount of ignorance in this country. No wonder the Bushes and the Obamas and the Clintons and the Carters get elected in this country. The masses are clearly below grade level and it’s no wonder that our new generation just wants to bury their heads in the TV or a computer game to get away from all of you morons on both sides.

  68. Pestilence1972 says: Oct 9, 2009 8:32 AM

    I can’t stand either Olberman or Limbaugh. But am I the only one on the earth who agreed with Limbaugh’s assessment of the media and Donovan McNabb?

  69. chapnasty says: Oct 9, 2009 8:35 AM

    @ Roboto
    I challenge you to point out my lies and then articulate them in a coherent way that proves that I am indeed lying. You can’t, the left never can. It’s easy to beat a liberal, use facts and logic. Works every time.

  70. Bob Nelson says: Oct 9, 2009 9:06 AM

    Rush is not a polarizing figure. He is just a middle to left of center radio talk show host.
    Rush has never done anything to harm anyone.
    The nation’s domestic enemies, commies, and the anti- American scum that are always trying to destroy this great nation dislike having their evil exposed to the public.

  71. east96street says: Oct 9, 2009 9:07 AM

    chapnasty says: “Which it isnt in theory, it is just a failed system of government.”
    Actually, it is also an economic theory. Since you are insulting people by calling them “idiots” allow me to point out YOUR ignorance. Under the definition of socialism that Rush and “good Americans” such as yourself are using, it is the theory of governmental ownership and administration. Therefore, since you, Rush, and the GOP find that so disturbing, I can only conclude that you “good Americans” never drive on our highways, refuse to use the police or fire department, home school your children, and have disconnected your homes from the sewer and water systems. If you have NOT avoided all these things, you are a hypocrite and a liar. You see, chapnasty, if you ever took an economics or a poli sci course you would know that by the strict definition of socialism, which is what you and Rush are using, America has been “socialist” since it’s founding. Finally, as for “socialized” health care, Richard Nixon tried his hardest to institute national health care. Which party was he affiliated with again? Was he a “socialist”? If so, why didn’t the GOP call for his head and force him out of the party? The reason Nixon failed is tons of insurance companies money flooded the capital and insurance companies started a nationwide campaign of disinformation trying to scare people that they would not be taken care of. Sound familiar? Since the GOP is the party of “right to life” can you explain to me why they allow 45,000 people a year to die because they have no health care insurance (American Journal of Public Health study)? Or, does your “right to life” end once you leave the womb? Facts can be terribly upsetting when they undermine your bias.

  72. kinghill says: Oct 9, 2009 9:20 AM

    What is a socialist other than someone who wants to legally confiscate the earnings of another, through manipulation of the tax code, to then give that money to someone who didn’t work for it, in order to get elected to a political office? Sounds like BO and most Dems to me.
    What is a racist, if not someone who votes for a black man because of his skin color rather than his qualifications for the job?

  73. chapnasty says: Oct 9, 2009 9:39 AM

    @ east69street
    Wow my friend where to start with you…… Yes you are right, socialism is a form of economic theory, and a failed one. You are wrong in so many other ways. We have never been a socialist economy. You are so wrong it isn’t even funny. The government’s main role in this country, as outlined in the constitution (read that when you get a chance) is to protect the citizens of this great country. The average thinking schmuck, like you thinks that this is probably limited to the military. Well my friend I would argue, and argue accurately, that protection lies also with the police, the fire dept, the EMT’s etc. Also, since running water and electricity promotes a healthy and more efficient way of life, I would argue, and argue accurately again, that these are esstential to human safety and well being.
    Now, this country has flourished off of capitalism. Competition has created the greatest products that the world uses today and caused us, until recently, to have the strongest economy in the world’s history (we can argue all day about how our economy tanked but before you say anything, it is a result of both political parties).
    Now on to healthcare. If you dont have health insurance get a job that provides it. If the people who are not insured and cant find a job that provides it, would cut things they don’t need like maybe cell phones, the internet, packs of smokes, 12 packs etc. maybe they could use that extra cash to purchase their own health insurance. It’s called responsibility. Unfortunately the left has created things like welfare that make the lower class rely on the govt and remove the aspect of responsibility to take care of yourself. I would also challenge your 45,000 claim. While the number is statistically accurate, do we know how they died? Were these people born with defects that led to their deaths? Did they get diseases that were incurable by living a dangerous lifestyle. You cannot provide these answers therefor you cannot use this number to support your argument. It is insulting to think that any American, right, center, left or anything in between would wish death upon another person. But the question I ask, why the hell should I work 100 times harder to provide health care for my family while some lazy bum does nothing and collects my tax dollars to get the same benefits (before you go there obviously some people just fall on rough times and bad luck, but thats why America is the most charitable country in the world)

  74. JoeSchmoe says: Oct 9, 2009 9:39 AM

    @chapnasty regarding:
    And to those of you who think an African American player wont get paid from Rush, think again. These self centered athletes will take a check from the devil if it means one million more per year. God you people make me ashamed to be an American with your ignorance.
    response:
    You mean like his step-n-fetchit call screener? Sadly, your comment here is true. $ makes a lot of people do things they know that morally, they otherwise shouldn’t do.
    Rush and his followers are assholes, plain and simple.
    If you are too ignorant to parrot “Rush isn’t a racist” because of the spin job he tries to put on his manipulative talk, you are a sad sad soul.
    I’ll take an IQ, or Wonderlic test against any Rush fan any day. Let’s go.

  75. mike says: Oct 9, 2009 9:40 AM

    I’m just surprised that Rush wants THAT team.
    I hope he gets it. I want to see all the fans who will give up their seats in protest. I want to see if players will not sign with the team. Ha Ha.
    If he gets it I hope they go to the super bowl quick. It will be interesting to hear the liberal racist elitist of ESPN and how they cover the team.
    Hey, maybe Rush will win the Nobel Peace prize for buying the team! That would make as much sense and giving it to Obama.

  76. nyJag says: Oct 9, 2009 9:48 AM

    @ east96street
    drive on our highways, refuse to use the police or fire department, home school your children, and have disconnected your homes from the sewer and water systems. If you have NOT avoided all these things, you are a hypocrite and a liar.
    —-
    you’d be right if the Federal government administrated these functions, but they don’t. They’re administrated my state govt. and local municipalities which is exactly what the 10th amendment says to do. It’s not hypocritcal to be pro-democracy and anti-socialism and still take a crap in the morning before you drive to work. Or in your case get on the 4 train.
    —-
    Where Rush erred at ESPN is exactly where Florio has erred at PFT. He injected a political debate into a non-political forum causing a bunch of knee jerk reactions. Florio is obviously anti-Rush and anti-conservative and can’t keep himself taking a shot at both. Its his site, fine. He can do that. Just as Rush can put together a group of investors to try to buy an NFL franchise. Its a free country and the market will ultimately decide who is right.
    But look at the Florio’s result. He’s polarized his own site. He’s no different than Rush, like him or not, and has degraded a great sports site. For God sakes we are taking about Health Care Reform on freakin’ PFT.

  77. JoeSchmoe says: Oct 9, 2009 9:49 AM

    How is socialism any more of a failure than capitalism at this point?
    Do all you righty retards realize that the basis of capitalism is BANKS CHARGING US INTEREST and that banks ultimately control this country, and every move our government makes? Capitalism = Bank-run pyramid scheme. Prove me wrong – PLEASE!

  78. tombrookshire says: Oct 9, 2009 9:53 AM

    If you are going to allow people of dubious character like Dan Snyder and Al Davis to own teams in the NFL, why not Limbaugh?

  79. overkil2 says: Oct 9, 2009 9:56 AM

    “Zukny says:
    October 8, 2009 9:35 PM
    I’ll be honest. I think Limbaugh is hilarious! I hope he gets the team, and he wouldn’t be a cheap owner. The man will do what it takes to get that team on track.

    Of course he will. He’ll make sure they get the best drugs money could buy.. well, only for the White players. All 6 of them.

  80. BEARSbeetsbattlestargalactica says: Oct 9, 2009 10:00 AM

    I’m not surprised Olberman said what he did. What else can he say, its still a free country, albeit deteriorating rapidly. Olberman knows he’s on thin ice because nobody watches his stupid show or PMSNBC. He needs to go back to the sports desk and stay there. Limbaugh is a huge football fan and would be great for the St. Louis Rams.

  81. jamaltimore says: Oct 9, 2009 10:04 AM

    I do not listen to the guy much but the few times I have he seems to make legitimate points. Sure he’s way over the top in many cases and over simplifies complicated subjects, but how else could he keep so many people entertained for so many years.
    Why shouldn’t he be able to own a pro sports team? Sports is the last true meritocracy that exists in this country so as a conservative he can definitely support that. I personally think it would be great if he’d push for affirmative action in the NFL and more women, gays and people of all colors would have a chance to play Pro Ball. Just maybe there could be a day where white and hispanic people can have shot to be a wide receiver or cornerback! If Rush could pull that off he and Keith would probably have cigar and oxy parties together.

  82. Patrick Chewing says: Oct 9, 2009 10:22 AM

    Only Keith Olbermann and Dan Patrick are more smug than me.
    Signed,
    Bob Costas

  83. chapnasty says: Oct 9, 2009 10:40 AM

    @ overkil2
    Thank you for proving the point, ignorance. He became addicted to pain killers after a surgery like millions of Americans. He fought his addiction and is over it. I suggest you get over it as well.
    @ joeschmoe
    I am neither an asshole nor ignorant to Rush’s “spin”. You are the obvious ignorant one as if you have not listened to Rush you are ignorant as to what he says or believes. Maybe you didnt know what ignorant meant like several other people who use the term. I just get irritated that the public school system educated a bunch of morons is all.
    This is the last thing I will say on the topic because you cant change the mind of a brainwashed individual and apprently there are a lot of brainwashed obama followers here (and by followers I dont mean supporters who can think on their own, but people who worship him like he is a god and have a “yes we did” poster they pray to at night) and none of them will change their minds with reason or logic. But again all of us, including myself are guilty are turning ideas into a personal attack rather than an honest discussion. Now back to football please.

  84. east96street says: Oct 9, 2009 10:47 AM

    chapnasty says: “Wow my friend where to start with you”
    Well, you could start by answering my questions which you dodged. Now, let’s address your points;
    I have read the Constitution numerous times. It is a great document that is open to interpretation based on how emphasize and interpert the wording. Gun advocates emphasize “right of the people to keep and bear Arms”. Anti-gun emphasize “A well regulated Militia”. However, what is not open to interpretation is how you define socialism. You and Rush are quite clear about that. Under your definition, which I have already stated above, your using those services means you are using “socialized” services. You cannot have a strict definition for a word when it suits YOUR purposes and then have a loose definition when it does not. That is hypocrisy, plain and simple. As for the number of people that have died, I clearly stated where I got that number so that you may read the article yourself and draw your own conclusions. I cannot copy and paste the entire article here for obvious reasons. Finally, your argument about buying health insurance is, frankly, either naive or an outright lie. No amount of money will allow you to buy health insurance if the health insurance companies refuse to sell it to you because of a pre-existing condition. I have a close friend that got cancer when he was 23. He has been working, as have I, since we were both 14. I can purchase health insurance on the open market. He, however, cannot. His cancer has been in remission, thankfully, for over two decades. Still, no health care provider will touch him. He, like many Americans, got laid off this year after 15 years of loyal service, with numerous promotions, from the ad agency where he worked. He now has a thriving freelance business and is still actively seeking a staff position. His COBRA insurance will most likely run out prior to him finding another staff job with benefits. He will be uninsured. What do you say to people like him that have the money, want to pay, and yet are denied coverage? BTW- love how you ducked the Nixon issue. Typical. Finally, try to spend more time stating facts and less time name calling.

  85. Deb says: Oct 9, 2009 10:47 AM

    @Ocelot138 …
    I agree with most of your points but the rightwingers have nailed it on tolerance. It’s discouraging when “liberals” slam Southerners with stereotypes. Whether it’s a “red” or “blue” state, nearly half the people vote the other way. Plenty of New Yorkers love Rush and plenty of Southerners despise him. Southern liberals fought the battle for civil rights while arrogant Yanks were still sitting in segregated classrooms. So it’s time they got off their high horse and quit taking swipes at us.
    @Rush supporters
    Yeah, I listen to his show occasionally because I actually give a fair hearing to people whose views are different from mine. (You might try it sometime.) Anyone can become addicted to painkillers and I’d never judge him harshly for that (as he has so many others). But his recent racial comments have been shocking. If he’s not not racist, then he’s engaging in calculated race-baiting to stir up dissent and increase his ratings. That’s worse.
    But that said, I’m not sure any of this discussion is relevant to team ownership. Is there a stipulation that NFL owners have to be good people with majority-approved political views?

  86. chapnasty says: Oct 9, 2009 11:02 AM

    @east96street
    As I stated in my last post, there is no use in us arguing as we arent going to convince each other one way or another. Nixon was a disgrace much like Carter was to Democrats. We all have one.
    Lastly, and most importantly, although we disagree on how we get there I think that we both agree on the outcome. I wish your friend nothing but good health. Pre-existing conditions is a great example of proper reform.
    Again… BACK TO FOOTBALL

  87. east96street says: Oct 9, 2009 11:06 AM

    nyJag says: “you’d be right if the Federal government administrated these functions, but they don’t.”
    Actually, I stated that the working definition of socialism for this conversation was government control and/or administration. It does not distinguish between federal and state since in either case, it is not privately owned. Also, you may want to check where the money came from. The Interstate Highway system was constructed with Federal dollars under the Eisenhower (Republican) Administration. The point is, you cannot claim to be 100% anti-socialism when, in fact, daily life in America depends on many things being socialized. For the record, I have been a registered independent since I was 18. I am NOT a socialist. I just find it very disingenuous when people run around screaming “socialism” when many aspects of our lives have been socialized and it has often occurred under Republican administrations. I think the Interstate Highway system is great and Eisenhower doesn’t get nearly enough credit for having the vision and will power to get it built. But, strictly speaking, it was and is a socialist program. I am merely pointing out that when zealots like Rush and chapnasty speak in absolutes, they are wrong and are being hypocritical. Finally, for the record, I’m all for Rush buying the Rams. If he has the cash, which he does, there is no reason why he can’t be an owner. His views should have no bearing on whether or not he can a football team. Anyone who does not care for his views, is welcome to root for any other team they so choose and boycott anything Ram related. I think he will bring a lot entertainment value to NFL ownership. He really can’t be more abrasive and outlandish than Jones or Snyder.

  88. RaiderChile says: Oct 9, 2009 11:17 AM

    As an owner, he would eventually have the first ALL WHITE team since the Good ‘ol days. This guy is racist with a capital KKK! To hell to all you guy hating to see a white guy called racist. Oh the angst of it all!

  89. nyJag says: Oct 9, 2009 11:52 AM

    @ east96street
    The interstate highway system was implemented by Eisenhower. However its chief purpose was military infrastructure. It was not a socialist program. By your definition the Military is socialist program because tax payer dollars fund it. What then in gov’t is not funded by tax payer dollars.
    Secondly, not differentiating between state and federal administration is exactly the point when it comes to conservatism. What we’re talking about is the role of the FEDERAL gov’t, not the role government. And if you ever lived on a private street you would know that municipalities do not provide sewage removal, but only private companies dealing with septic tanks.

  90. chapnasty says: Oct 9, 2009 12:03 PM

    @Raiderchile
    “As an owner, he would eventually have the first ALL WHITE team since the Good ‘ol days. This guy is racist with a capital KKK! To hell to all you guy hating to see a white guy called racist. Oh the angst of it all!”
    East96street: do I have your permission to call this guy an idiot because clearly he doesn’t have the mental capacity to put together a sentence or make any sense at all. I have spent 20 minutes trying to figure out what the hell that means.
    It’s always white people being called racists!

  91. Jag4Life says: Oct 9, 2009 12:17 PM

    BOTTOM LINE! All of you Rush Limbaugh supports that even give that quck the time of day are on the same wave length as him. You don’t just throw the word RACIST out if there’s no validity to it, but you got to call a spade a spade. He is one and any one that supports this clown is one as well. Im a lideral and unlike most conservatives I can listen to both sides of a debate and form my own conclusion.
    RUSH, GLENN BECK, HANNITY, i listen to some of their arguments, but they are living in a world that dosen’t exist, just like the republican party. This country isn’t all white like they and their followers would like nor will it ever be. GET OVER IT!!…….I love football season

  92. Jeff Smith says: Oct 9, 2009 12:39 PM

    >Also, why are Conservatives unable to spell? I’m pretty sure it’s because
    >the mention of their hero Rush Limbaugh causes them to have to type one handed.
    Good one!
    Limbaugh is a racist and I don’t see why NFL players would want to play in St. Louis if he were the owner. I’m a Jag fan and I would quit watching them if he bought the team from Wayne Weaver.
    That said, it’s a free country and if St. Louis and the NFL wants a racist owner, it’s their choice.

  93. east96street says: Oct 9, 2009 1:14 PM

    chapnasty says: “East96street: do I have your permission to call this guy an idiot”
    I am firm believer in freedom of speech. Call him whatever you like. But it’s more civil to point out his errors.

  94. pft rocks says: Oct 9, 2009 1:17 PM

    I don’t know where to begin…
    If Rush buys any team, there will be NO ONE who says no to working for him. Just pay me. Player, coach, Football operations, ect … doesn’t matter.
    He is a perfect example of a GREAT American…. FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!! whether you agree or disagree. That is what makes AMERICA great. Also, if he can afford it, again, this is what makes AMERICA great. He LOVES football, so buy a team!!!!
    The NFL has gone out of their way to be unracist, so much so, there is know reverse discrimminations going on. Instead of going on creditials it is on age and race….. The NFL is denying many guys (and girls) that have earned thier way and passing them by.
    Again even if the UFL doesn’t work…. Thank GOD we are in AMERICA, just to try it out.

  95. Detroiter says: Oct 9, 2009 1:21 PM

    Jeff Smith says:
    …Limbaugh is a racist…
    ————————-
    Specific facts please that show Rush is a racist.

  96. east96street says: Oct 9, 2009 1:24 PM

    nyJag says: “What then in gov’t is not funded by tax payer dollars.”
    Not just funding, but administering. I will say we will have to agree to disagree about the definition of a socialist program. I believe the highway system is one. You do not.
    “Secondly, not differentiating between state and federal administration is exactly the point when it comes to conservatism”
    Absolutely true, but that was not debate I was having. I was talking about people speaking in absolutes. My fault if I did not make that clear.
    “And if you ever lived on a private street you would know that municipalities do not provide sewage removal, but only private companies dealing with septic tanks.”
    I apologize. I meant to specify IF you were hooked up to a sewer system – which is run by the State. Yes, a septic tank is, in fact, a private transaction between the homeowner and the company that he/she hired. Again, I apologize for not making that point clear. As a city resident, I do not even have the option of having a septic tank. My mistake.

  97. Ocelot138 says: Oct 9, 2009 3:30 PM

    @Deb
    Right on. Southern Libs were instrumental in fighting for Civil Rights, and it’s a shame what the Rush Limbaugh/Glenn Beck crowd has done to marginalize the thinking people of the South. Sometimes, out of anger, you use a broad brush. Both sides are guilty of this (I especially love the “liberals are weaklings” line – since you’ve got to figure most NFL players are liberal and would mop the floor with any of the posters here)
    @east96st
    Rush Limbaugh listeners can’t be argued with. Rush hasn’t told them how to think about the issues you’ve raised.
    I didn’t notice if you brought up Public Schools. I know the new breed of conservatives don’t care much for education (because an educated person canprocess independent thought – that doesn’t make for an easy vote/good Wal-Mart customer) but paying for the education of children that aren’t yours – socialism!
    Not to mention anything we do for Veterans. VA hospitals and benefits? Socialism!

  98. Deb says: Oct 9, 2009 3:48 PM

    @Detroiter …
    Oh, FOR HEAVEN’S SAKE! When you come late to a party, at least mingle and listen a bit before jumping into the conversation (meaning scan the whole thread before posting). Several of us HAVE posted examples. I don’t know if he’s racist or just ratings hungry (this morning I heard a preview of an upcoming NBC interview where he indicated he does almost everything for ratings). But he definitely does A LOT of race-baiting on his show–and yes, I have listened to him myself.

  99. Detroiter says: Oct 9, 2009 5:15 PM

    Deb says:
    October 9, 2009 3:48 PM
    @Detroiter …
    —————————–
    Like I said, *facts* please, not *opinions*. I’ve read all the posts and I’m waiting….

  100. Deb says: Oct 9, 2009 6:36 PM

    @Detroiter …
    It’s a fact that American schoolchildren got into fights during the Bush Administration. It’s a fact that black kids sometimes beat up white kids and vice versa and other kids cheered. It’s a fact that Mr. Limbaugh did not go on the air and proclaim it a result of the racist climate created by our white President, Mr. Bush. It’s a fact that he has gone on the air and proclaimed these incidents–that were happening when I was in school–the result of having a bi-racial President. It’s a fact that he’s called President Obama racist with no evidence to back up the claim, conveniently forgetting that President Obama is not black. He is biracial and was raised by a white mother and white grandparents.
    As I’ve said, I do not know if Mr. Limbaugh is racist. I only know that he is using his forum to race-bait. If you can’t see that, it’s because you don’t want to see that.

  101. esblair says: Oct 13, 2009 9:51 AM

    Green, Green and more Green at the end of the day it’s all about MONEY!!!

  102. SummingItUp says: Oct 13, 2009 1:47 PM

    Hey, Rush isn’t a racist, he just said that “The Media” had a vested interest in Donovan McNabb doing well because he’s black, and that he recieved way too much credit for the success of his team! How could that possibly be construed as racist?
    Never mind that McNabb is a five time Pro Bowler who led the Eagles to four consecutive NFC East division championships, five NFC Championship Games, and a Super Bowl. So obviously “The Media” would think he’s great only because he’s black. Sweet Jesus.
    Rush also said that Colin Powell backed Obama because they’re both black. What could be racist about that? Never mind that Bush threw Powell under the bus after Powell burned his credibility presenting a b.s. case for war to the UN. So he obviously couldn’t have any legitimate reason for breaking from the Repubs.
    And if the above statements don’t make Rush a racist, they definitely make him an @sshole. “Oooh, I’m so edgy and controversial with my outrageous statements! Hey, why are people mad?” Freedom of speech is also freedom to be an @sshole, I get that, but it doesn’t make Rush any less of one. And personally, I don’t find that to be an admirable trait.

  103. bruhaha says: Oct 14, 2009 12:09 PM

    SummingItUp writes:

    mind that McNabb is a five time Pro Bowler. . .

    And never you mind that most of the items you tick off here were accomplished after Rush’s remarks in Sept. 2003. Or that Rush suggested that McNabb had not yet done enough to be so highly touted, or that he has complemented him on a number of occasions since then.

    “Rush also said that Colin Powell backed Obama because they’re both black.”

    Nice twisted summary. Rush laid out his reasoning in considerably more detail, along with pointing out how Powell carefully timed his announcement when, if it were actually on principle, he would have made it much sooner. And he specifically went through the reasons Powell cited and showed how they failed to show water. (You may agree or not, but he didn’t simply make an assertion with no evidence.)
    As for Bush – though this goes way off-track- he never “threw Powell under the bus” as you claim. Indeed, Bush as usual showed remarkable respect and class in his response after Powell left the cabinet (well maybe not so remarkable, since Bush regularly refused to do what he could easily have done and publicly go after many critics, including those former administration officials who attacked him.)
    (The whole UN thing is a bit too much to sort out here, but if you read up on the various players you’ll find that Powell did not do very much to present parts of the case vs. Iraq many in the administration were urging,most of which were very well-founded. But in any case, your case vs. Bush here is based on the “Bush lied” meme, which is, in fact, one of those Dem lies repeated so often people believe it now without ever checking on what he actually did & didn’t say.)
    As for “throwing under the bus” – funny that you missed how Powell & his right-hand man (the one who actually first mentioned Valerie Plame’s supposedly covert CIA status) threw Libby under the bus, rather than coming out with the truth.

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