Last week, referee Alberto Riveron bungled a decision in the ends zone, giving an unwarranted touchdown reception to Jaguars receiver Mike Sims-Walker.
This week, Riveron made up for it by taking a touchdown away from Jets receiver Braylon Edwards.
In the fourth quarter of Monday night’s game, Edwards came up with a beautiful non-drop along the sideline near the goal line. He went to the ground untouched, and he appeared to get the ball over the front of the plane before he was contacted by a defender.
The ruling on the field? Touchdown.
Miami challenged, and Riveron explained after viewing the replay that the ball had not crossed the plane before Edwards’ knee hit the ground. But if Edwards wasn’t touched by a defender — and he apparently wasn’t — he’s wasn’t down when his knee hit. He was down when he was touched.
Besides, the league recently has emphasized the “50 drunks in a bar” standard for replay review. To overturn a call on the field, the visual evidence has to be crystal clear.
In this case, it clearly wasn’t.
Of course, it didn’t matter, because tailback Thomas Jones scored on the next play. Still, it’s amazing to see one of the 17 men who wear a white hat at the NFL level get two calls so wrong in back-to-back weeks.
The refs in the NFL are complete dumbshits?
Just ask Mike Holmgren!
Why dont you get on Braylon for quittin gion Cleveland and then making all the catches for NY. That is a joke. That guy lacks character, integrity and class.
Just a joke.
They just made up for it by giving the Jets a free TD on a horrible, horrible pass interference call.
50 free yards.
That pass interference call on Miami against Braylon Edwards was another example of the zebras playing way too large a role in the outcome of a game. It was a ticky tack call at that point of the game. The refs do STINK!
He was down before he crossed the plane.
Then they gave the Jets one with the phantom PI call against Miami. A game changing call. Much worse.
He also missed the tight end hanging from Jason Taylor’s facemask on that play where they called pass interference against Will Allen at the goal line. Terrible. Even if you think that was pass interference against Allen, should’ve at least been offsetting.
i’m sorry but the ref sucks ….. i don’t care who wins but this ref must have money on ny
even gruden and jaws said twice they didn’t see the calls that went against miami ….. and i saw at least 3 blatant holding that wasn’t called
if your going to call a tight game call it that way across the board
i’m sick of the refs having something to do with the out come of a game
phred
He got the call right, Edwards was clearly down and clearly touched by the Miami defender before the ball crossed the goal line! what are you actually watching Florio?
Even Peter King specifically mentioned Riveron as a problem ref. he called him “unsure.” Which means rather than follow the replay rules, he will just overturn his original decision because he is not sure he got it right the first time. Get rid of this guy already.
Lord Florio, you are so quick to point out others errors, but unwilling to admit your own. What are you scared of?
Bet you don’t have the ‘nads to directly respond to this……
packerswin, what are you actually watching? Every replay they showed on tv it was a toss up, and definitely not enough to reverse it.
miami just scored with 4 seconds to go
The CB was in contact with him as he caught the ball. He was down with the ball 2 feet outside of the end zone… it was the right call.
$0.02,
–Z
They scored on the next play so there wasn’t much lost maybe a few seconds(which probably wouldn’t have mattered even though it did come down to a hail mary. that phantom pass interference call was pretty bad though
Twiz, you are very special person, keep smiling buddy, keep smiling!
at least the phins were able to come back after the phantom PI call. Terrible.
Glad to see the Jets lose.
“…a beautiful non-drop.” Hilarious!
Yeah def peeved at that W. Allen PI call, because it definitely wasn’t. Terrible officiating. Glad to get the win though.
A fantastic game and this is the waste of a post we get?
This is disgraceful to say the very least, I haven’t seen a human being screw up a call this bad since some idiot picked the Redskins to go to the Super Bowl.
I didn’t think Edwards first TD was a catch. Sure he had two feet in bounds, but it was the same foot!
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Florio is a jackass.
# packerswin says: October 12, 2009 11:50 PM
Twiz, you are very special person, keep smiling buddy, keep smiling!
I wouldn’t expect anything less from a short bus riding fudge packer fan!
First time I think I actually agree with you Florio. He also blew the intentional grounding call. Henne threw it to Marino who was tied up with Snowflake. But Sanchez gets called for one when you can see Keller in the same picture. The wildcat is garbage anyone can run it when the refs are on your side.
Riveron is the same ref that gave 2 points to the Vikings for Rodgers “illegal forward pass” for a pass that was behind the line of scrimmage by 10 yards. He just sounds like an idiot when he talks.
He won’t get in trouble though…. because he’s Spanish. What was with the first penalty call of the game being in Spanish by the way, and none of the subsequent ones?
“it’s amazing to see one of the 17 men who wear a white hat at the NFL level get two calls so wrong in back-to-back weeks.”
Amazing ? Really ? With the record these guys have ? How it could be considered anything but the normal modus operandi is beyond me. Refs make big screwups virtually every single week in the NFL. The only question typically is has their been a huge screwup or just an average one.
The league gets what it pays for. Only part time employees just can’t maintain the standard of competency that everyone else working in the league is expected to have.
The refs should be paid all winter to watch game film and have to have to go through analysis of how they called their games both taken as an individual effort and as compared to how consistent the calls they make are with all the other refs in the league.
The ref may have ruled that contact occurred while Edwards was in the air, and simply not explained that during the reversal. As I understand the rules, that should suffice to down a player going to the ground after a catch in the air.
of all the bad calls in the game, *this* is the one you challenge?
what about braylon’s one-foot-twice “touchdown”? what about phantom 50+ yard PI? (where braylon dropped a perfect pass, FYI) the illegal contact on miami when jets had third & long was iffy too.
I’m just glad the refs didn’t decide this game. the better team won.
Florio, you really thought the PI call was warranted (as you said on Twitter)? If they called that every time, I dont see why you wouldnt just chuck a jump ball downfield on every play and tell the receiver to absorb any kind of contact. Both players were running full speed and Allen barely grazed Braylon. This isn’t two hand touch, this is the NFL.
These refs have decided more games than usual this season with these bonehead PI and roughing the passer calls, luckily, it didn’t decide this game, but it shouldn’t have happened to begin with.
Compare the two pass interference calls in this game, the first being the play preceding the Braylon Edwards touchdown that was taken away, and the second being before the final touchdown. This was the most poorly officiated game I’ve seen. If this is a pattern with this Riveron guy, I hope somebody’s paying attention in the NFL offices.
Whatever. Give the FINS some Damn RESPECT people. Henne showed us the future.
Braylon still has to be one of the happiest people in the NFL today. Bet he peed himself from laughing when he saw Anderson’s stats yesterday.
He is well qualified to be a Goodell 2009 NFL ref. He can speak spanish!
Excuse me if I am wrong but, the orange cone at
the end zone not only marks the end zone but, also out of bounds.
Since Edwards touched the cone before he crossed the plane, he is out.
Or, am I wrong ??
He even screwed up the first penalty. I couldn’t understand a word he was saying.
I thought the call was correct, but it doesn’t matter they scored anyway and lost anyway.
Was this guy only the ref because it’s Hispanic Heritage night? They had that first call in some pretty good spanish, so probably.
Preety funny how Florio doesn’t know his football. Braylon and the CB were in the air and they made contact as Edwards caught the ball. If that happens and the WR falls to the ground, he’s considered “down by contact”. It’s quite simple actually…….
This is a pretty strange article considering there are dozens of more questionable calls than this one that proved non-consequential anyway unless you have Edwards on your fantasy team. Looked to me like Edwards may have been down just before the goaline and was touched by the safety coming over on the play.
However, whatever happened to the standard of “irrefutable evidence” to overturn a call that was made on the field?
Seems like now, if the head official thinks there was a 51% chance the opposite of what was called actually happened, he’ll go ahead and overturn the call (as long as it favors one of the league’s protected teams).
I mean, as a Raiders fan this disregard for that standard is what gave us the “Tuck Rule” debacle (not to mention the overruling of Louis Murphy’s TD in Week 1 that could have meant an Oakland win). The Tuck Rule was an after-the-fact invention by the league. Go back and watch that play and the official says “the quarterback’s arm was going forward. It’s an incomplete pass.” Not “the quarterback pumped the football and had not yet sufficiently tucked the ball away before fumbling it, therefore, according to the virtually unheard of ‘tuck rule’ that we’ll break out of nowhere to screw the Raiders, we’re going to go ahead and call it an incomplete pass.”
In regards to the Jets game, this registered as about a 4 on the 1 to 10 scale of questionable calls and only because it wasn’t clear that there was “irrefutable evidence” to overturn the call on the field. The pass interference call that set up the Jets last touchdown (about an 8 on the 1-10 scale) was far more questionable and could have cost Miami the game.
No PI on the 49 yard call?
Unless I was watching a different game, the defender stopped Edwards from getting his arm up to catch the ball, doesn’t that make it pass interference?
The PI call looked perfectly fine to me (I’m a Niner and Steeler fan) but I don’t understand why you can’t challenge PI. Its hard to blame the refs on that because they rarely have a good angle, and have to be watching multiple things at once. I thing you should always be able to challenge CALLED pass interference. So you cant throw a challenge flag on what you thought was PI.
Sure he stinks but hey, he speaks Spanish.
Sorry, but looking at the replay, it did not 100 percent look like the ball broke the pylon. Remember, the ball has to be over/in the endzone as well. The body is _not_ sufficient.
If parts of the body are over the endzone, but the ball is not, it is _not_ a TD. That was changed a couple of years ago (in 2004, the opposite was true – ball did not need to break the pylon / look at the (wrong) call in the 2004 divisional playoff with Corey Dillon).
And, if the knee is down out of bounds, play is dead as well, even with no defender touching Edwards. Looked like the right call, especially not like a horribly wrong call, to me.
Playing the polemic card again, Florio?
Watch out Florio…in our modern day era, any criticism of someone of a minority group will get you label as a racist (or prejudice.) Someone will say you are clearly anti-Latino.
He made the opening call in Spanish, isn’t that enough? what else does a guy have to do?
“Excuse me if I am wrong but, the orange cone at
the end zone not only marks the end zone but, also out of bounds. Since Edwards touched the cone before he crossed the plane, he is out. Or, am I wrong ??”
The pylon marks the position of the end zone, as such that a ball that touches it has necessarily crossed over the goal line in bounds. But the pylon itself is not a downing surface; it’s just a marker.
“according to the virtually unheard of ‘tuck rule’ that we’ll break out of nowhere to screw the Raiders, we’re going to go ahead and call it an incomplete pass.”
Typical clueless Raider fan. Most teams run into the tuck being called against them something like once per year on average, including by the way, the Pats earlier that year when the Jets had it called in their favor against the Pats.
34_Fan_4_Life says:
October 13, 2009 12:58 AM
Excuse me if I am wrong but, the orange cone at
the end zone not only marks the end zone but, also out of bounds.
Since Edwards touched the cone before he crossed the plane, he is out.
Or, am I wrong ??
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You’re wrong. As long as you get past the pylon before you touch the ground out of bounds, its a touchdown.
you shouldn’t have mexican refs. Enough affirmative action.
The pylon is IN bounds. Touch the pylon and you broke the plane of the goal line.
As for the officials, they far too often insinuate themselves into crucial moments. The PI call was ridiculous and the Edwards TD should not have been overturned. You can crawl into the endzone on both knees if no defender has touched you, so a knee down means squat unless you’re being tackled.
“brady sucks says:
October 13, 2009 12:22 AM
First time I think I actually agree with you Florio. He also blew the intentional grounding call. Henne threw it to Marino who was tied up with Snowflake. But Sanchez gets called for one when you can see Keller in the same picture. The wildcat is garbage anyone can run it when the refs are on your side.”
Have some cheese with that whine?
The refs got those calls right, unless you wear green colored glasses.
Weird that no one has mentioned it. It may not have been clear enough to overrule, but Edwards was getting kneed in the face while on the ground and trying to move the ball forward. It wasn’t a matter of judging just the ball in his hand. It was a matter of judging where the ball was when he was getting smacked in the face — to me it looked like the defenders knee came through the end zone and smacked him in the face before the ball crossed the plane. I’m just surprised I’m the only one who saw it. Seems to me that was the judgment, and with a keen eye and close review, I can see an official making that call. Or not. Not that BAD a call though.
The PI was a bad call but not a necessarily a “bad” call. There appeared to be entanglement and jostling. Tough to judge when two speedsters are flying down the field even if replay clearly shows there was virtually no contact. That type of call usually goes to the receiver even if it is wrong.
HarrisonHits is right. The only way to improve the situation with NFL officiating is to make them full timers who have to spend as much time with film and training as the players and coaches do.
It’s a disgrace that a multi-bazillion-dollar organization like the NFL puts its product in the hands of a bunch of part-timers.
brady sucks…
You Jet fans are cute when you’re angry.
The Wildcat sucks huh? I just watched the wildcat dominate a defense that Rex Ryan has been touting as “the best defense ever to play football that will destroy anything in our path no matter what, no one can beat us, we will kill you, bow to us and all of our success, we will eat your children” without any help from the refs.
Stop crying, the better team won on Monday night.
Man- has Florio got it good. Sit back, wait for others to make mistakes and then comment…and get paid for it- Sweet!
Contribute nearly nothing to the NFL, point out mostly negative aspects of the sport, make fun of the athletes, belittle their intellegence, have little accountability and get paid for all that. Man, what a racket PFT has fallen into…
“hockref says:
October 13, 2009 1:56 AM
No PI on the 49 yard call?
Unless I was watching a different game, the defender stopped Edwards from getting his arm up to catch the ball, doesn’t that make it pass interference? ”
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will allen wasn’t even in contact with edwards when the ball got there. edwards was diving and had TWO HANDS on the ball, and the ball went right through his hands. he could have easily caught that pass if he wasn’t prone to drops. The only contact on that play was the arm-bar that edwards threw on will allen to gain that six inches of separation right when the ball got there. watch the replay.
also i’m still surprised no one is talking about that “first” TD. it wasn’t a TD. since when is getting the left foot down twice the same as “two feet down”???
Sanchez intentional grounding should have been a sack, and everyone knows it. Henne’s no-call on the intentional grounding is because fasano was supposed to roll-out to the flat there, but was held by pace…. so he couldn’t get there. if you see he’s about 10 yards behind the ball, running toward it. this is the play where the QB just throws it up and the receiver is supposed to get there. in this case fasano was held, but they didn’t call it. calling an intentional grounding on henne would have added insult to injury, since they didn’t call the hold.
i’m still waiting for a jets fan to come on and admit the better team won, instead of blaming the refs, calling the wildcat a gimmick, or something else.
how many games do we have to exploit defenses with the wildcat before people will respect it? well actually i don’t care if they don’t respect it, we’ll just continue to eat up yardage with it.
Edwards easily scored on the blown call. He wasn’t touched after he caught the ball until after he went down. Judging by the replay there is now way to tell if he was even touch by the second defender before the ball crossed the goal line. To over turn a TD you need conclusive evidence. There is none. All the ref was looking for was whether his knee was down. He totally missed the fact that he was not touched after he made the catch. Not to mention the week before he blew the Mike Sims-Walker TD. He overturned an incomplete pass call and called it a TD.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/12/riveron-screws-up-another-one/
This moron caused me to lose two fantasy football games in a row which in turn could couse me to lose money. Not a real big deal just frustrating is all. What if this was the playoffs?
the refs were definitely terrible this game. just as bad were the announcers. they were so obnoxiously drooling over sanchez and edwards and didn’t say anything about henne until the end of the game. if they were so great wouldn’t they had won the game. sanchez completed 50% of his passes. what greatness!! and edwards must be a genius for picking up the offense so fast. there’s no possible way that sanchez could just tell him what route to run before each play. i’m glad miami doesn’t play on monday night anymore, so i don’t have to listen to them praise a player or two the entire game. mix it up some!! go phins.
I’m just pissed because both of these botch calls cost me my Fanstasy Football games which could end up costing me money. But regardless, the Ref should know these calls by now. I hope ishis guy isn’t calling games in the playoffs. f off rivero