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First paper to run Limbaugh "slavery" quote issues retraction

In the wake of the news that radio host Rush Limbaugh was hoping to buy a chunk of the St. Louis Rams, Bryan Burwell of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch wrote a column containing the now-infamous quote, supposedly from Limbaugh, regarding the notion that slavery “had its merits.”

We first became aware of the quote not from perusing the copy of the Post-Dispatch that arrives in our mailbox every morning in West Virginia, but because Limbaugh mentioned the issue during the Monday broadcast of his radio show.  (Indeed, if Limbaugh had never talked about the quotes on his radio show, we and likely many others would have never even known about the issue.) 

When posting on the matter on Monday, we made it clear that Limbaugh contends he never said the words.  (The next day, he supplied a more forceful denial; the practical effect was that even more people became aware of the allegedly false quotes.)

But now the toothpaste is being squeezed back into the tube by the Post-Dispatch.  In an Editor’s Note published today, the newspaper says that the quote in question “cannot be verified, and its use did not meet the Post-Dispatch‘s standards for sourcing.”

The Post-Dispatch also points out that the source of the quote was Jack Huberman’s 2006 book, 101 People Who Are Really Screwing America.  “The book provided no details about the origin of the quote,” the Editor’s Note explains.  “When
contacted by the Post-Dispatch, Huberman said that he had a source for
the quote but declined to reveal it on advice of counsel.  The book’s
publisher, Nation Books, did not return calls to the Post-Dispatch.”

(Huberman’s response suggests pretty strongly to us that he never actually heard Limbaugh say the words on the air, or in any other setting.)

Others have cited the same quote from Huberman’s book, and others likely will be providing similar retractions and/or clarifications.  We’ll be adding an Editor’s Note to our original story on the matter, pointing out that the Post-Dispatch has retracted the quote. 

As you know, we’ve never contended that Limbaugh uttered the words that have been attributed to him by Huberman.  Unless and until Huberman identifies a compelling source, there is absolutely no evidence that Limbaugh uttered the words.

In our view, Huberman should not be permitted to hide behind legal advice.  He needs to either identify a source or publicly admit that the quote is false.  Until Huberman (or anyone else) identifies a compelling source, we will assume that the quote is false, and that Limbaugh is telling the truth.

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131 Responses to “First paper to run Limbaugh "slavery" quote issues retraction”
  1. leatherneck says: Oct 17, 2009 9:42 AM

    Limbaugh’s lawyers are going to being laying some smack down.
    Serves people right for defamation.

  2. Smush Rodrigez says: Oct 17, 2009 9:43 AM

    Can you please provide an update on the fixes to the site that are supposed to be happening?
    This comment submission error thing is really annoying. I just typed a comment and lost it due to the fact of submission error. I do not feel like retyping it. And, it looks like you are logged in and then tells you that you are not and you lose the text. Fix it, please. This is bushleague – the old hamsters could do a better job.
    There are other things but another annoyance is the mobile site. Sometimes you get to the crappy mobile site where you cannot see who wrote article or the comments and other times you get to the preferred regular site that you can scroll all of the stories and not wait for page loads.
    Last one, email notifications or some other way to track back to articles that you posted on. This would make it easier for Vox to post 100 messages per Eagles or Giants post instead of just 50.

  3. MrHumble says: Oct 17, 2009 9:46 AM

    Bottom line is he IS a racist, doesn’t matter if you say tomatoe and i say tomato……..exact words or quotes aren’t necessary to define a racist.

  4. Desides says: Oct 17, 2009 9:47 AM

    “(Huberman’s response suggests pretty strongly to us that he never actually heard Limbaugh say the words on the air, or in any other setting.)
    “Until Huberman (or anyone else) identifies a compelling source, we will assume that the quote is false, and that Limbaugh is telling the truth.”
    Gee, Florio, you think?
    Any minute now, Roger Goodell will confess to making “premature” comments at the owner’s meeting… aaaaany minute now…

  5. Ralphie says: Oct 17, 2009 9:54 AM

    Florio, you had Limbaugh tried, convicted and sentenced with your spurious comments earlier this week. You’re full of shit.
    Anyone with an ounce of sense knew that this would be proven false as the Lefty’s have a cadre of listeners scribing and dissecting everything that Limbaugh says and nobody was able to step up and show anything close to this. Of course the real source is now proven to be an Al Franken-like author who just writes anything he wants to sell books.
    Florio, you say “In our view..” Who is “our”? You, Tommy and Greggy? Yeah, I’m sure you 3 idiot savants sit around and solve world hunger daily.

  6. Gordon-Geico-Gekko says: Oct 17, 2009 9:56 AM

    This is good news, it reduces Limbaugh’s “douchebag” rating by a factor of 0.0000001%

  7. houskat says: Oct 17, 2009 9:56 AM

    Just because ,someones hates your views on polotics, does’nt gives u any right for slander….I hope Rush sues the hell out of these folks. I hate politics myself,,,,its depressing and I would like to see the rams keep on loosing…Saints fan here…..lol

  8. goetta-head says: Oct 17, 2009 9:57 AM

    Hey……
    I didnt get a hurrumph outta you!

  9. LiveNBreatheFootball says: Oct 17, 2009 9:59 AM

    BS Florio. You said if he didn’t say them, he would have denied saying them unequivocally on Monday. You strongly implied that means he did say them. So, yes, you did contend he did say them, even if you did not actually say “He said them.”
    Also, what BS is this “Oh no one would have known about them if he hadn’t discussed them on air.” People KNEW about them because they were published in the paper. Just because you don’t read a newspaper doesn’t mean anyone else doesn’t. Plus, for defamation all you need is publication to ONE other person. So whether one person was aware of the quote or one million, publication occurred.
    Then you complain that he is making more people aware of the quotes by forcibly denying he said them. Make up your mind. Either he was not forceful enough in his denial or he should have said nothing.
    Face it, you screwed up on this one and are now trying to distance yourself. Not happy with you right now.

  10. fjd says: Oct 17, 2009 10:01 AM

    Good for you, MIKE!

  11. VoxVeritas says: Oct 17, 2009 10:02 AM

    “As you know, we’ve never contended that Limbaugh uttered the words that have been attributed to him by Huberman.”
    Right. You just did like you always do and imply that since he didn’t immediately deny it, he MUST have said it.
    “(Indeed, if Limbaugh had never talked about the quotes on his radio show, we and likely many others would have never even known about the issue.) ”
    Right, I’m sure that you listen to Limbaugh every day between sermons from Keith Olbermann and Jeffrey Immelt.
    You = part of the problem (big surprise there, huh?) and are now apparently hoping that you and the National Barack Channel are not on the list of entities that are inevitably going to get sued over this. I know this because you have not come out and said that you hope that Limbaugh doesn’t sue your ass off. Even if I thought I couldn’t win I’d file suit just to drag your name through the mud like you love to do to so many others so you know what it feels like.
    Your “style” dances really close to the fire and I’m not going to shed a tear for you when you find yourself on the wrong end of a libel suit. In our opinion, you shouldn’t be able to hide behind the fact that this is a rumor blog.

  12. jan van flac says: Oct 17, 2009 10:05 AM

    the quote fits squarely within his belief system so people were ready to accept it as his.
    you make your bed, you lie in it….

  13. TheBigOldDog says: Oct 17, 2009 10:06 AM

    Florio said:
    “Until Huberman (or anyone else) identifies a compelling source, we will assume that the quote is false, and that Limbaugh is telling the truth.”
    ***
    Gee, that’s mighty big of you Florio.
    What happened to your “fake but accurate” (He may not have said it, but it accurately reflects his attitude) standard? Decide to drop that too huh? Not sure why, it is a completely acceptable journalistic standard of truth for the Left of this country.
    Now maybe you can apologize for implying Limbaugh was lying when he said he went through all of his shows. A charge that came as a result of your complete lack of due diligence.
    As Mark Twain once observed, “A lie can get halfway around the world before the truth can even get its boots on.”
    To paraphrase Ray Donovan, “Which publication does Limbaugh go to get his reputation back?”
    I take great solace in knowing, in the end, we are all judged by our own standards.

  14. robeef says: Oct 17, 2009 10:06 AM

    This is what liberals aka Marxists do, they can’t debate on the issues so they demonize and try to dismiss any opposition. Perception has now become reality, good is bad and bad is good, Truly scary times we are living in.

  15. thing2 says: Oct 17, 2009 10:09 AM

    Que the “Stick to the football” comments…

  16. Kenneth says: Oct 17, 2009 10:09 AM

    This shows how far journalism has fallen. The reporter who wrote this false story should be fired , And I only wish Rush could sue these race pimps back into the stone age. The media today is a disgrace, Hiding their liberal bias behind the first amendment that they abuse everyday. There is no truth in the press anymore, No wonder people have stopped reading newspapers. There is nothing but left wing lying bullshit on every page including the sports section.

  17. Twiz says: Oct 17, 2009 10:12 AM

    At this point, whether he said it or didn’t say it, it has become a moot point. Limbaugh has been dumped from the Checketts ownership group, it is HIGHLY unlikely he will ever try this again, so how exactly is this football news/information?

  18. fjd says: Oct 17, 2009 10:14 AM

    Mike, is Jack Huberman a prime target for libel?

  19. myasylum says: Oct 17, 2009 10:14 AM

    All the more proof this was all about politics PERIOD!
    Rush NEVER said those words, and of course all you people believe is because he is some awful conservative.
    It s a sad da that people have to be shut out because of their personal beliefs. So much for liberals being the “tolerant” party. How dare you hate someone because of what one man believes in a free society!

  20. thelittleking says: Oct 17, 2009 10:22 AM

    what an abject disgrace. i dont care if you like or dislike Limbaugh, what this paper did is reprehensible. This should AGAIN send a clear message to everyone about the power that media has to distort their representation of the news to fit their individual beliefs.
    i cant even imagine the size of the lawsuit they earned as a result of their impossibly irresponsible “opinion” on Rush Limbaugh.
    Does anyone really believe a thing that is “reported” these days? wake up people.

  21. Mongo says: Oct 17, 2009 10:22 AM

    This should surprise absolutley no one. I am not part of Rush naion (or whatever they call his followers) but like or hate him you have to admit he does his job brilliantly. He is not so stupid as to utter obviously racist comments on the air.
    Look back at what he said on ESPN about mcnabb. It was not racist or a slur against mcnabb. Rush said he felt others in the media over rated mcnabb b\c they wanted a black qb to succeed. Believing others act biased b\c of race doesn’t make you a racist.
    Oh, and to all those of you lambasting him about pain killers, how many of you:
    1) think favre should be thrown out for the same thing
    2) championed vick being reinstated (for a lot worse crimes than getting hooked on Rx drugs)

  22. RAMS FAN says: Oct 17, 2009 10:24 AM

    Let’s hear from the NFL. They commisioner needs to retract too
    as well as the rest of the haters

  23. knon2000 says: Oct 17, 2009 10:25 AM

    Funny. The media morons got burned by another person lying to promote the Far Left Agenda. Wait, maybe the media is not getting burned. Maybe they are willing pawns in all of this. Bush was declared the winner in Florida after the newspapers did the recounts, but no, it never was reported widely. They rather wanted to make it seem like Gore got shafted, and ran with that rant. Then, as if they couldn’t get enough of trying to stick it to Bush, they started the claim that the Bush administration knew about the 9/11 attacks, and didn’t do anything about it since they “wanted” war. Then, they said that Bush cherry picked information about Iraq to invade them (same info that Russia and France had by the way) then they invented Rathergate when Rather wanted Kerry to win so bad, that he used fake documents to try to prove that Bush was basically Clinton by not serving in the military. But this wasn’t the end, no way. Next, they pulled outright lies about Rush, and a feisty DA tried (and failed) to get a conviction of doctor shopping by illegally seizing doctor records(protected by HIPPA, but only if your a Liberal I guess are your rights important). Then, after that, they started the outright lie that Bush was the root cause of the evil that was Katrina. That was actually Clinton by setting back the dates for work to be done on the dikes. Heck, if anything Bush was just following the precedent set by his predecessor. Then, as if that wasn’t enough, they decide to go after Rush again, but publishing fake quotes about slavery. Seems that these people on the left and the Media that loves them just can’t grasp the meaning of right and wrong. Guess it will be up to Joe Public to right the wrongs next election, which I am sure EVERY lefty is worried about after the disgrace that is the Obama Administration with the nominations of tax-cheats, and the bankrupting of our economy by the Nobel Winning President. Dang, if this wasn’t so true, I would think it was a terrible story from the discount bin next to a book about a time-traveling QB.

  24. HughJassPhD says: Oct 17, 2009 10:26 AM

    Looks like Huberman’s book will provide a convenient fig leaf for anyone who attributed those quotes to Limbaugh.

  25. Ben Roetlisbunger says: Oct 17, 2009 10:40 AM

    You did contend that Limbaugh uttered the words!!! You said you would believe he said it until he won a defamation suit.
    The interesting thing here, is that the first step in a defamation suit is demanding a retraction…

  26. DcNinerFan says: Oct 17, 2009 10:42 AM

    Too late, Florio and the liberal media. As one commentator pointed out already, the boy and his balloon story got roughly 100 times the amount of time on air as the retraction over the media (including you) refusing to do any actual, I don’t know, researching. Just goes to show. Liberals will scream at the top of their lungs and accuse anyone of something horrible, but when proven wrong still refuse to admit it candidly. Good job!

  27. iggles says: Oct 17, 2009 10:46 AM

    Pretty weak defense Florio….I never said it (but I sure did spread it!!!!). Ah the risks of a blogger. I wouldn’t let my 6 year old get away with an excuse like that.

  28. Coach Ripper says: Oct 17, 2009 10:49 AM

    So you’ve finally arrived at the basis of our Justice System… Innocent until proven Guilty. Strange that it took you so long. I recall when this issue first surfaced and Rush Limbaugh claimed his check of 16,000 hours of recorded audio showed “not an inkling” of these “quotes”, your stance then was “unless or until” Rush clearly stated he “never uttered those words”, you would continue to believe he had. As a lawyer, isn’t it a primary principle that the Prosecution has to “prove their case” and not that the Defense has to “prove their innocence”? And isn’t “hearsay” inadmissable? I realize this wasn’t a “court of law” but c’mon… why side so quickly with the “mud-slingers”?

  29. JoaquinFenix says: Oct 17, 2009 10:50 AM

    Here’s Limbaugh’s own account in the Wall Street Journal: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704322004574477021697942920.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_RIGHTTopCarousel
    Now that all those silly little matters of libel, slander, and defamation are out of the way, it’s time to get down to the real reason Limbaugh’s bid was rejected. According to the NFL, it’s because of his “divisive” comments and his failing to meet NFL “standards.” Really? Well here’s an article to enlighten us as to the high standards other (politically liberal) NFL minority owners are held: http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/sright/2009/10/16/nfl-owners-who-use-the-n-word-and-wet-their-pants-on-stage/
    Ah yes, you recall the celebrity minority-ownership strategy of the Dolphins, don’t you? But why didn’t we have an exhaustive examination of Fergie’s and Jennifer Lopez’s “divisive” comments and an examination of whether their lyrics and performances meet NFL “standards”? Easy. Because the mainstream media and the race-baiters don’t sic the hounds (apologies Michael Vick) on one of their own.
    Checketts didn’t drop Limbaugh because of divisiveness or standards; he knew who Limbaugh was and assured him that his participation was kosher. No. Checketts dropped Limbaugh in response to overwhelming media pressure – pressure that is never generated in response to ownership bids of Hollywood celebs who actually make divisive comments but who are already on the (liberal) level.

  30. cunn9305 says: Oct 17, 2009 10:54 AM

    First of many … media went way overboard on this one and they know it. He’s like catnip they can’t resist.

  31. richardb says: Oct 17, 2009 10:59 AM

    Limbaugh isn’t like most targets of the media, he’s rich and he can afford excellent legal support and owns a microphone that is heard by more people than anyone on CNN, MSNBC or the writers of the smears. Limbaugh could claim these slanders has cost him millions in revenue from an NFL participation. Obviously old habits of inventing “facts” to fit a point of view die hard so the best they can do is mealy mouth “can’t verify”. This time it might cost Wilbon, Burwell, CNN and MSNBC real money.
    Bring the brats, the beer and sit back and watch the liars squirm.

  32. penguininbondage says: Oct 17, 2009 11:01 AM

    Somebody is getting their ass sued.

  33. Hercules Rockafeller says: Oct 17, 2009 11:02 AM

    They got what they wanted. They knowingly ran a story they knew could not be verified, but it fit their agenda, destroying the Limbaugh ownership bid. Now that the goal was achieved they can hide behind a mild and insincere retraction all the while gleefully wallowing in self satisfaction.
    And people bemoan the inevitable death of the newspaper industry. I welcome it. Agenda masked as news is insidious and cowardly.

  34. kenviro says: Oct 17, 2009 11:10 AM

    Operation “Make Rush a Victim” is almost complete. This issue was never about the bogus quotes. Is there really a lack of verifiable info about what Rush stands for? But as always, the right is able to manage the media to a point where this is about how the “left leaning media” is out to censor anyone on the right they don’t agree with.
    This entire non-issue was totally manipulated by Rush. He was not even supposed to be identified since he was only a minority owner (irony can be pretty ironic sometimes). But then he made it about him, forced the hand of the NFL with his bombast and, predictably, the NFL distanced themselves from this divisive and unapologetic personality.
    The real winner is Limbaugh. He received (and continues to receive) free publicity that, for once, doesn’t involve him saying or doing something repugnant. Instead he’s a victim, and somehow, the left is to blame.

  35. BUNYAN says: Oct 17, 2009 11:13 AM

    What’s new? The main stream media lie all the time. They are never held accountable. Limbaugh has never said anything that was not true on his radio show. He always has the facts to back up his statements. It’s called integrity. There are no real journalists in the main stream media any more. You included Florio. You just repeat the lies that some other hack says. It’s a strategy that the main stream media uses when they want to discredit or destroy someone that exposes their lies and deception to the American people. Repeat the lie often enough and it becomes fact. Limbaugh’s show is more enlightening and informative than anyting the main stream media reports or says. Every statement made by Limbaugh on his show is backed up with the facts. The main stream media is nothing more than a propaganda machine for the Marxist’s controlled Democratic party. Iam 55 years old and I observed this to be true since the 60′s. Rush Limbaugh did not brainwash me into thinking the way I think. I was intelligent enough to recognize the actions of the Democratic party over the years to be Marxist / Socialist. Limbaugh and other conservative radio hosts are the only media that are reporting news accurately and as I have seen with my own two eyes. Limbaugh basically says what we already know. We enjoy his show because no one else speaks for us and America in the media. We have no voice in the government. No one represents we the people anymore. Tyranny is being committed against the American people on a daily basis. This tyranny is being enabled by a willing partner, the main stream media.

  36. GirthyOne says: Oct 17, 2009 11:13 AM

    Seems to be a lot of quotes attributed to Rush that are false. A ton taken out of context also, when I hear the whole segment or read the entire article.
    Bo Snerdley (producer for Rush and a black man) went on air yesterday to inform people that Rush is not a bigot and did not say the things that have been attributed to him. Further, explanation of some of the quotes shows Rush chastising or making fun of other people’s bigotry.
    I hope he sues them all. It would rightly serve those who use racial hatred for creating racial issues. Rush is a huge pro-American, non-bigot who simply doesn’t repeat untruths blindly, like most of the “real” media does.
    (*Sarcastically*) Thank you Racial Hustlers and the “real” for defaming yet more people. (*Non-Sarcastically*) You are a bunch of losers.

  37. Lombardi 6 says: Oct 17, 2009 11:16 AM

    Any more lies the liberal media would like to make up??

  38. Luca Brasi says: Oct 17, 2009 11:17 AM

    No one would have picked up on the quotes if Limbaugh himself had not mentioned them?? Ok…
    Don’t hide behind the fact that someone else first mentioned the quotes. That is all Dan Rather did. You are now a once-respectable journalist and gotta carry your own water, boy (sorry, was that racist?). When you put a quote on your site that is that explosive and affects someone else’s opportunity to earn a living, you have to do better than that!
    Your ham-handed “I didn’t do it first” was a decent start, but we have a feeling that once a certain letter arrives from Mr. Limbaugh, you will be apologizing a little more “forcefully”. And with NBC, you have deep pockets now!
    BTW, what do you think, that he would have 20M listeners a day if he was a raging Robert Byrd? You got caught up because you wanted to believe. Check yourself.
    I think the whole episode just supports Limbaugh’s old comments about the left-wing media in 2003. So thanks!

  39. Ridnaway says: Oct 17, 2009 11:19 AM

    So only after the damage is done, and Rush has been blackballed by the Liberal mafia do we find out all this stuff was one huge LIE. Nice hatchet jobs by The Rev’s and Rick Sanchez and a host of other bottom feeding idealogues. Not to mention a weak-kneed, politically correct football commissioner. I hope Rush owns their lying azzes after this.

  40. tufar says: Oct 17, 2009 11:29 AM

    Read the latest SI article about racism and the NFL, it makes the Limbaugh non-quote look fairly tame compared to the actions of the early owners of NFL teams. I think the NFL should let Limbaugh into their exclusive club, if for no other reason than to liven things up within a seemingly dull group of billionaires.

  41. mcnabbisterrible says: Oct 17, 2009 11:34 AM

    I think it is hilarious with the timing of all of this. The quote is allowed to be out there for over a week, and then after Rush is removed from the ownership team, the damage has been done, the paper finally retracts the quote. Shouldn’t have they verified the quote prior to running it, especially with the nature of the quote? To basically call someone a racist, leave it hanging there for over a week and then say “Oh wait it doesn’t meet our standards, the story is dying, so we’ll finally make a retraction.” That really smells of something foul. Instead we have a drug addict who sings about her humps who is now part owner of a team, but noone says anything about that. By the way isn’t the new president of the players association a former colleague of Eric Holder? hmmmm maybe there is a consipiracy

  42. Zaggs says: Oct 17, 2009 11:38 AM

    “As you know, we’ve never contended that Limbaugh uttered the words that have been attributed to him by Huberman. Unless and until Huberman identifies a compelling source, there is absolutely no evidence that Limbaugh uttered the words.”
    BULLSHIT!! What you said was that if Limbaugh did not say the woute he needed to sue to prove it! In fact your exact wording was “But here’s the key — he never directly denied saying the precise words that Burwell assigned to him. Sure, Limbaugh made vague claims of libel and slander, but there should be no ambiguity here. If Burwell attributed a concocted, made up quote to Limbaugh, Limbaugh’s lawyers should be demanding a retraction and a large bag of cash.”. Nice try to avoid Liberl Floor-Boy, but you’re lying your ass off.
    The fact there was never any audio or even dates should have clued people into the fact he didn’t say the quote.

  43. Shredder says: Oct 17, 2009 11:44 AM

    Roger Goodell is under the thumb of hacks at the NFLPA and racist smear merchants Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton. Goodell has really dropped a notch and showed everybody he is a little douche bag at that embarassing press conference.
    Hey St. Louis fans, I feel bad the league does not give a crap about NFL in your city. You can kiss another franchise goodbye.
    Funny how the NFLPA has no problem with dumb whore “stars” having ownership in places like Miami.
    Whether you like Limbaugh or not this whole race baiting load of BS makes the NFL stink right now.

  44. havsolo says: Oct 17, 2009 11:48 AM

    What a convenient change of tune – before, it was “Until he proves he didn’t say it or denies it more strongly, we’ll assume it’s true.” Your current stance is the one you should have had from the beginning. I would think that a law background would have made that obvious.

  45. Display Name says: Oct 17, 2009 11:48 AM

    You may not have said that he said the quotes but your flip, sarcastic way of writing about people or things that you are against let everyone know where you stood.
    You are just as responsible for spreading the racial hatred toward Limbaugh as any of the other racists. You can’t hide behind words either, your intent was clear from the start.
    Scumbag P.O.S.

  46. Sparrowhawk says: Oct 17, 2009 11:51 AM

    I hope that Mr. Huberman made enough money from his lies and distortions to pay his future legal fees. He may learn the expensive lesson that inventing quotes will eventually catch up to a person. Maybe this will slow down those who like to market lies against their political enemies.

  47. dcfan-1212450 says: Oct 17, 2009 11:53 AM

    Limbaugh is not racist. He just hates black people…
    And why on earth would a man like Limbaugh who has shown signs of discrimination want to own a team in a sport thats predominantly black. Makes no sense to me.

  48. Bigbluefan says: Oct 17, 2009 11:56 AM

    I thought this was football talk
    Not another outlet for NBC to kiss the libral asses that run and are ruining this country
    Between this site and rodger dodger
    Rush did not stand a chance this is the kind of hack job that is being done every day to anyone who disagrees with the surpreme leader in Washington
    This is the kind of crap that went on in the old USSR and still happens in China today
    Whats next tanks rolling over tea party folks

  49. Serr8d says: Oct 17, 2009 11:56 AM

    Yeah, this episode just sickens me even more against the far-Left in this country. Childish buggers spent 8 years trashing and tearing down GWB; they’ve got their own POS in office now but still have that well-honed derangement syndrome they have to use on someone. Lies and hints of lies, piled on more lies, and playing that well-worn Race Card, that’s all the Left has and ever will have.
    I agree with earlier posters. Florio, your politics are decidedly leftist too; please, stick to football. Or I’ll drop you like it’s hot.

  50. JDeezy says: Oct 17, 2009 12:02 PM

    Go to hell, Limbaugh!

  51. Scott22 says: Oct 17, 2009 12:05 PM

    If he says nothing he must be guilty, if he defends himself he’s drawing attention to the quotes that otherwise would have gone unnoticed?

  52. JSpicoli says: Oct 17, 2009 12:13 PM

    You screwed this one up Mike. Just like the rest of the media.
    In the comments here, I’m glad to read there are Americans like myself out there who will speak up and defend America and what is right. What is going on in the USA today is pure hate and reverse racism. It really pisses me off.

  53. Ocelot138 says: Oct 17, 2009 12:14 PM

    No retraction issued regarding Rush PillPopper saying “The NFL looks like a war between the Bloods and the Crips” or telling a black caller to “take the bone out of your nose”
    Because he said THOSE racist things.

  54. madmike says: Oct 17, 2009 12:16 PM

    Florio,
    You should go back to the summer and re-read all of your articles (rightfully) bashing ESPN’s journalistic integrity. Then perhaps you should treat yourself the same way you treated them.
    You let your political leanings obstruct your journalism, and now you are attempting to lie and cover up.
    “As you know, we’ve never contended that Limbaugh uttered the words that have been attributed to him by Huberman. ”
    Sorry Mike, but that is a bald-faced lie, and an insult to your readers’ intelligence. You absolutely contended that, and went so far to say flatly that his ‘non-denial-denial’ made you think that he said the words.
    But now that you potential face a libel pickle you attempt to change history and use the Jedi-mind-trick on your readers so we don’t lump you in the same boat as the people who first reported the bogus quote. You are no better than the people you have attacked in the past Florio, and today in this article you have shown that you have no shame, no integrity, and no honor. Remember that next time you throw stones.

  55. Ocelot138 says: Oct 17, 2009 12:17 PM

    And for all you dittoheads that are callinf Florio a POS for having his own views, when you vehemently defend Rush for having his (racist) views as “an independent thinker railing against the establishment” — LEAVE.
    This is Florio’s sandbox, and he can be as liberal/conservative/Marxist as he wants. If you don’t like the fact that he’s calling the shots, GTFO!
    The same goes for the country. Got a problem with Obama? GTFO. The collective IQ of the country will go up slightly when you leave. And take NASCAR with you.

  56. PittsburghPJ says: Oct 17, 2009 12:20 PM

    Sorry Mike. You can’t walk this one back.
    You showed your a$$ with your take on the Limbaugh story. We always knew you were a liberal, but this time you proved that you belong at NBC.
    I think a lot of us NFL Ticket subscribers and Pro Football Talk readers are reevaluating where we spend our time and money.

  57. kayC says: Oct 17, 2009 12:26 PM

    I’m so shocked. I never saw this coming. *rolls eyes*
    Step 1: Publish lies, smears, and innuendos without facts to back them up.
    Step 2: Sit back and watch as the lies, smears, and innuendos destroy the reputation of the target (which, coincidentally enough, is frequently somebody with conservative political beliefs).
    Step 3: Spend a few lines of print on a halfhearted retraction and bury it on page three or four.
    They don’t call them the “drive-by media” for nothing.

  58. HughJassPhD says: Oct 17, 2009 12:27 PM

    Old & Busted: “I read it on the internets! It must be true!”
    The new hawtness: “fill-in-the-blank cannot be verified, and its use did not meet the fill-in-the-blank standards for sourcing.”

  59. AutumnWind999 says: Oct 17, 2009 12:27 PM

    Let’s face reality. Limbaugh is a racist and not because of this quote or his McNabb comments, but just listen to his show virtually any day of the week and it comes through.
    Florio, talk about the pot calling the kettle black!!
    You hide behind unnamed sources all the time. What gives you the right to call Huberman out to reveal his source? Have you ever revealed a source just because the person who refuted your source’s story said it was untrue? Highly doubtful.
    I seem to remember a week or two ago how you ran a story (based entirely on an unnamed league source) that JaMarcus Russell was repeatedly fined for missing a bunch of team meetings. JaMarcus came out and said that wasn’t true. Did you reveal your source so both parties could be on the record? Hell no. You instead wrote a rebuttal post saying how you and your source were right and JaMarcus is lying.
    I’m not even getting into whether or not JaMarcus was fined or Limbaugh made this comment about slavery. The reality is unless we were there for these things we really have no idea. Would anyone be surprised if Limbaugh said this? Probably not. Just like everyone believed the story about JaMarcus blowing off meetings.
    The point is that it’s insanely hypocritical for you, Florio, to be demanding someone else reveal the identity of an anonymous source just because the subject of the source’s allegations denied them.

  60. falcs fan says: Oct 17, 2009 12:28 PM

    Sanchez, Wilbon, NBC, CNN, etc… didn’t represent themselves very well with this story. I’m not a journalist, but aren’t there some rules about checking facts when it comes to writing or reporting stories? I think that it would benefit everyone if they’d think a little deeper before reporting on something of this nature.
    Also, think of the embarrassment they’re going to experience if Limbaugh decides to sue and discuss it everyday on his show.

  61. cowboys1 says: Oct 17, 2009 12:29 PM

    WHO CARES, TALK ABOUT FOOTBALL!!!!!!!

  62. mofo says: Oct 17, 2009 12:32 PM

    Tyranny? Really?
    Jayzus what a bunch of drama queens.
    It’s Rush Limbaugh. Who cares.

  63. PackFaninPackLand says: Oct 17, 2009 12:33 PM

    Too little, too late. The damage has already been done by those of you in the media – you can’t punch someone in the face and then a week later go, essentially “uhmm, I guess I didn’t mean that, maybe” – which is basically what the Post-Dispatch has done.
    What I especially liked by all of the libs in the media (including YOU Florio), that repeated and repeated and repeated the comment over and over multiple times, saying that, gosh, he MUST have said it, it’s on a web site. EVERYTHING on the internet is true, right ??? Never once thinking “gee, I wonder how come a quote such as this never came to light before now”??? And then my favorite (also by Florio and the other libs in the media), well, if he didn’t say it, it doesn’t matter, cuz he’s said other stuff too – citing the same bogus web site for more bogus quotes, because they’ve never listened to the show, and if they had, they’d know he’s never said the stuff attributed to him, but it’s just easier to COPY crap off a bogus web site, than turn on the damn radio.
    As Florio stated on Monday, if the quotes repeated by Bryan Burwell (and Florio himself – MULTIPLE Times) weren’t true, “Limbaugh’s got an open-and-shut defamation claim against Burwell, the Post-Dispatch, and anyone else who has attributed that quote to Limbaugh”. Gee, you mean like Florio himself ???
    Florio himself said if Limbaugh lost his bid to buy the Rams that he would, somehow, portray himself as a “victim” – something that Limbaugh has NEVER done. Let’s see if Limbaugh and his team, of lawyers sue all those in the media that perpuutated this fraud against Limbaugh (INCLUDING Florio) – let’s see who will be crying about being a victim, then ???

  64. timegambit says: Oct 17, 2009 12:34 PM

    “Limbaugh is not racist. He just hates black people…
    And why on earth would a man like Limbaugh who has shown signs of discrimination want to own a team in a sport thats predominantly black. Makes no sense to me.”
    : Another victim of the sharpton/jackson ignorance machine, are we.
    “They told me to hate you so i do.”
    Point of this whole blog is to provide proof before you spout your slander.
    Don’t be afraid to think for yourself.

  65. Somnambulus says: Oct 17, 2009 12:37 PM

    # Serr8d says: October 17, 2009 11:56 AM
    Yeah, this episode just sickens me even more against the far-Left in this country. Childish buggers spent 8 years trashing and tearing down GWB; they’ve got their own POS in office now but still have that well-honed derangement syndrome they have to use on someone. Lies and hints of lies, piled on more lies, and playing that well-worn Race Card, that’s all the Left has and ever will have.
    I agree with earlier posters. Florio, your politics are decidedly leftist too; please, stick to football. Or I’ll drop you like it’s hot.
    ——————————
    “Race Card” has reached the point of formal capitalization? This must be part of the black conspiracy against America, the hard right, Rush Limbaugh, family values, non-appeasers and fighters of secular humanism.
    Florio is just an Obama tool, no? Yes, he helped bring down Rush. Football must be saved from liberal takeover. And the NFL has been taken over by Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson. One can tell because of DeMaurice Smith. Rush knows, he already tried to tell us about the master plan.
    http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/rush-limbaugh-says-blacks-are-angry-and
    You know, I wonder what would happen if George Soros tried to buy a sports team. I bet THE MEDIA–a monolithic, liberal power–would not even cover it.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/27/AR2005062701447.html
    Oh yeah, that is what would happen.

  66. TheBigOldDog says: Oct 17, 2009 12:39 PM

    All anybody in search of truth and honesty need do is read the posts here from those on the Left. Their complete intellectual dishonesty and moral bankruptcy is unambiguous.
    Again, in the end, we will all be judged by our own standards including you Florio. Some of these people are morons, but you can’t hard behind that excuse Mike. You know better and wallow in the filth of your own free will. Some day you’ll have to answer for it.

  67. PackFaninPackLand says: Oct 17, 2009 12:41 PM

    Florio “Others have cited the same quote from Huberman’s book, and others likely will be providing similar retractions and/or clarifications.”
    You mean you YOURSELF Florio ???
    I hope Limbaugh sues your ass off, personally.

  68. ZN0rseman says: Oct 17, 2009 12:44 PM

    I love it.
    This whole posting was nothing more than a CYA (Cover Your Arse) move by Florio who is now probably fearful of being one of the thousands of bloggers, newspapers and media outlets who are getting a letters from Rush’s legal team regarding their illegal posting of completely false and unverified claims.

  69. cowboys1 says: Oct 17, 2009 12:52 PM

    Wow I thought this was PROFOOTBALLTALK. This is not CNN, I always felt sorry for florio, now im like everyone else, he’s an idiot, why are we still talking about this guy, he has nothing to do with football now!!!!!

  70. VoxUcker says: Oct 17, 2009 12:55 PM

    VoxVeritas says: October 17, 2009 10:02 AM
    Nobody cares what you think.
    STFU…

  71. DT-58 says: Oct 17, 2009 12:56 PM

    Crap,
    I thought the NFL was a tool to get away from all this media and politics BS.
    The problem with our media today, left and right, is that they don’t report the facts anymore, they always include their comments and opinions, that’s fine in the editorial section but bottom line is that this is not news reporting anymore.
    But you guys can just continue to insult each other…

  72. DT-58 says: Oct 17, 2009 12:56 PM

    Crap,
    I thought the NFL was a tool to get away from all this media and politics BS.
    The problem with our media today, left and right, is that they don’t report the facts anymore, they always include their comments and opinions, that’s fine in the editorial section but bottom line is that this is not news reporting anymore.
    But you guys can just continue to insult each other…

  73. PackFaninPackLand says: Oct 17, 2009 12:58 PM

    Florio “As you know, we’ve never contended that Limbaugh uttered the words that have been attributed to him by Huberman”
    What a lying sack of $hit you are Florio. Not only did you post the quote many, MANY times, but you also said that you believed it to be true, and then later when the lying liberal rant started to unravel, began the “even if he didn’t say it, it doesn’t matter” mantra, because, you know, Limbaugh has supposedly said “other stuff”.
    Too late to cover your a$$ now Florio. I have a friend that printed off all the lying a$$ posts by you this week and he has forwarded them to Limbaugh’s attorney. I suspect you will be hearing from them, shortly !
    What sweet justice it would be if the lying liberal loses his little web site because he wanted to repeat the liberal lie.

  74. DJSlyBri says: Oct 17, 2009 1:02 PM

    What’s the big deal? The New York Times will just run a story about how the quotes are “fake but accurate” and everyone can just continue on with the narrative that Limbaugh is a racist.
    You gotta love today’s media. They will run these so-called Rush quotes without any regard as to whether they are accurate but will fact check a Saturday Night Live skit that mocks Obama.
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kathleen-mckinley/2009/10/06/cnn-fact-checks-snl
    And, of course they will never mention NFLPA President Demaurice Smith’s heavily involvement with Obama and his campaign.

  75. downsouth49er says: Oct 17, 2009 1:02 PM

    Vox is pregnant for either Jerry or Rush, find out the results on the next Maury.

  76. Matt H. says: Oct 17, 2009 1:03 PM

    MrHumble says:
    October 17, 2009 9:46 AM
    “Bottom line is he IS a racist, doesn’t matter if you say tomatoe and i say tomato……..exact words or quotes aren’t necessary to define a racist.”
    That quote is frightening. You sir are an idiot.
    So now we don’t need any actual proof that someone is a racist, we just need people like you to point at Rush and scream “Racist!” because you simply don’t like him. You are what’s wrong with this country and your ability to throw accusations around and not have to back them up gives you no credibility.
    The problem with clueless people is that they are completely ignorant to the fact that they are clueless. And you Mr. Humble are clueless.

  77. Bulldozer says: Oct 17, 2009 1:05 PM

    Another quote comes to mind when I think about NBC, CBS, ABC, and PUKEBS…I mean PBS…as well as Fox news about 3/4s of the time
    “Stupid is….as stupid does!”
    2 generations of journalist stupidity……

  78. PackFaninPackLand says: Oct 17, 2009 1:09 PM

    You gotta love all the lib-tard comments on here that basically said the fact he didn’t say it doesn’t matter.
    Or they repeated more made-ups comments that Limbaugh also NEVER said – posted on same bogus web site.
    Of course these same poor little liberals would scream bloody murder if someone made up $hit about them and posted it on the intenet or broadcast it over TV and radio.
    Until Burwell gets fired over starting all this, there will be no true justice. Then, let’s start the lawsuits Rush, beginning with the Post-Dispatch and then continuing here !!!

  79. BonnieD says: Oct 17, 2009 1:12 PM

    I can tell you are disappointed, Florio. What is funniest about you liberal media types is that you really think everyone agrees with you.
    Some liberal hack makes up something in a book and you act like that is something new.
    So far what I’ve seen of you this week is a weak attempt to distance yourself from the Rush “quote” debacle and an outrageous attempt to bash the fans of one particular team. You are really looking pathetic since you sold out to NBC.

  80. HughJassPhD says: Oct 17, 2009 1:12 PM

    WHO CARES, TALK ABOUT FOOTBALL!!!!!!!
    How? This is more of a political topic.
    If you can find the football angle, feel free to go for it.

  81. floriohatestheravens says: Oct 17, 2009 1:15 PM

    Florio is no different than any other media member….a liberal and a liar!!
    Stick to stealing other ‘real journalists’ sports news, and stay out of politics! Because you are WAY out of your league!!

  82. urbusted says: Oct 17, 2009 1:18 PM

    NOW THIS IS GOING TO BE FUN! Good luck you journalistic hacks!

  83. HughJassPhD says: Oct 17, 2009 1:22 PM

    Let’s face reality. Limbaugh is a racist
    First rule of racism: First person to cry “RACIST” is usually the true racist.

  84. PackFaninPackLand says: Oct 17, 2009 1:23 PM

    Ocelot138 said
    “No retraction issued regarding Rush PillPopper saying “The NFL looks like a war between the Bloods and the Crips” or telling a black caller to “take the bone out of your nose”
    Because he said THOSE racist things”
    ————————-
    Hey Ocelot, he never said THOSE things either, you colossal boob. Where’s your proof – the same bogus web site ???
    Do you actually THINK he could say something like that and there WOULDN’T be an immediate firestorm about it ???
    THINK … just once … before opening your trap !
    Oh wait, liberals and “thinking” … never mind.

  85. MarkTroy says: Oct 17, 2009 1:27 PM

    Good God Florio! Only an incompetent lawyer would publish these words…“Until he proves he didn’t say it or denies it more strongly, we’ll assume it’s true.”
    You had the chance to shine in the light of being right but you discarded that chance like a bar of soap in order to swim with the turds in the liberal media cess pool of propoganda. Way to ditch your soul for small gain. Can’t wait for the next time I’ll bet.
    Some fine example for Florio Jr. eh?
    I used to like this site until I found out that it’s founded by a liberal leftist liar enabler. Hopefully you’ll get sued until your bank account runneth dry.

  86. Zaggs says: Oct 17, 2009 1:29 PM

    Its not even ust the Post Dispatch but also CNN, MSNBC, Huffington Post, etc. Yes a partisan political blog retracted the qoute days before you even acknowledged the retractions were starting.

  87. PackFaninPackLand says: Oct 17, 2009 1:36 PM

    Remember Richard Jewell, Florio ???
    That will seem like a parking ticket by the time Limbaugh and his lawyers get done with you, Bryan Burwell, the Post-Dispatch, Michael Wilbon, and the hundreds of other liberals that repeated those bogus liberal lies, MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE times.
    Get your affairs in order Mikey !

  88. denverpilot says: Oct 17, 2009 1:38 PM

    looks like black folks are just as racist as white folks only they get away with it.
    My kids will never be journalists. I would recommend noble professions like waste management, custodial services, or god forbid a hero military cat.

  89. Desides says: Oct 17, 2009 1:39 PM

    @MrHumble
    “exact words or quotes aren’t necessary to define a racist.”
    Um… actually, yes, it is necessary.
    @dcfan-1212450
    “And why on earth would a man like Limbaugh who has shown signs of discrimination want to own a team in a sport thats predominantly black. Makes no sense to me.”
    Perhaps because he isn’t racist?

  90. tom coughlin's coat holder says: Oct 17, 2009 1:39 PM

    @richardb i watch pti and i have never heard michael wilbon say anything that smacked of unfairness as far as rush is concerned.
    i believe rush called michael wilbon to discuss his issues with him.if rush called michael wilbon that suggests to me that rush sees michael wilbon as a fair person.

  91. HJC says: Oct 17, 2009 1:42 PM

    QUOTE: “MrHumble says: October 17, 2009 9:46 AM
    Bottom line is he IS a racist, doesn’t matter if you say tomatoe and i say tomato……..exact words or quotes aren’t necessary to define a racist.”
    I’m glad that you not making any judgments like that racist Limbaugh is. Doesn’t matter what he did or truly said, he just looks like a racists, doesn’t he Mr. Humble?
    Well, I’m glad I don’t associate with any dark colored folks because, they look like gangsters and thieves and it doesn’t matter what they exactly do or say, tomato or tomatoe, they looka lika thugs and punks to me to they must be.

  92. cowboys1 says: Oct 17, 2009 1:44 PM

    # HughJassPhD says: October 17, 2009 1:12 PM
    WHO CARES, TALK ABOUT FOOTBALL!!!!!!!
    How? This is more of a political topic.
    If you can find the football angle, feel free to go for it.
    ——————————————————
    find a football angle? I thought this was PROFOOTBALLTALK!!!
    you must be a limbaugh fan cuz you guys are the only ones, along with florio who must love him some rush, to keep discussing this stupid shit.

  93. williamsbros says: Oct 17, 2009 1:46 PM

    Know you know why Rush refers to the mainstream media as the “driveby media”. They drive by, spew their filth, and now the damage is done, retractions or no retractions. It’s too late, mission accomplished liberals. Hope you’re happy.

  94. coaltrain says: Oct 17, 2009 1:51 PM

    @ocelot138
    what an intellegent post……..
    Do everybody a favor and stick to playing video games and pleasureing yourself while looking at magazines about your dear leader.
    {yeah,its that easy to see right through you}
    @Smush rodrigez..I have been coming on here for over a year and never have any of the troubles you seem to have. Instead of whining like a little girl about this site,maybe you need to upgrade your stuff–it is 2009. Nice cheap shot at Vox too………what a man.With your mentality maybe its better you cant get on here all the time

  95. Serr8d says: Oct 17, 2009 1:54 PM

    Heh. Somnambulus, be sure to g00gle for the Urban Dictionary definition of your name. Fits anyone who links Crooked Leftist Liars.
    Yes, Race Card is capitalized; there’s also a new term for those who live to play it: the racers, also defined as Democrats. Democrats play the race card, and have for 80 years.
    80 years ago there was no such a thing as a black Democrat. Franklin D. Roosevelt changed all that, changed 50 years of black loyalty to the Republican party, by offering and giving away plenty of free stuffs.
    It’s the recipe for ‘progressive’ election successes ever since. The Democrat Party is half made up of bedwetting liberal whites eager to assuage their guilt for having been born white; and a new-left-liberal black electorate eager to get that free stuff.
    Just follow the line of who’s promising and getting Other People’s Money.

  96. coaltrain says: Oct 17, 2009 2:00 PM

    @mr.humble
    That has to be the most ignorant post of all.
    Man,you got a messed up view of the world.
    Dumbass of the week award goes to you.

  97. DirtMcGirt24 says: Oct 17, 2009 2:13 PM

    It burnssssss!
    Keep stiring the pot, Florio. It’s entertaining seeing these people crying about the world ending due to the popularly-elected President taking their liberties. Some refer to it as the shoe being on the other foot. And it burnssss!
    Newsflash – you can still listen to Rush, you can still worship him. Despite what you think, these things are still allowed, and will continue to be allowed by your *gasp* black President.
    But keep crying though, it’s funny as hell.

  98. TheBigOldDog says: Oct 17, 2009 2:15 PM

    The Race Card, Football and Me

    As I explained on my radio show, this spectacle is bigger than I am on several levels. There is a contempt in the news business, including the sportswriter community, for conservatives that reflects the blind hatred espoused by Messrs. Sharpton and Jackson. “Racism” is too often their sledgehammer. And it is being used to try to keep citizens who don’t share the left’s agenda from participating in the full array of opportunities this nation otherwise affords each of us. It was on display many years ago in an effort to smear Clarence Thomas with racist stereotypes and keep him off the Supreme Court. More recently, it was employed against patriotic citizens who attended town-hall meetings and tea-party protests.
    These intimidation tactics are working and spreading, and they are a cancer on our society.

  99. HughJassPhD says: Oct 17, 2009 2:15 PM

    find a football angle? I thought this was PROFOOTBALLTALK!!!
    you must be a limbaugh fan cuz you guys are the only ones, along with florio who must love him some rush, to keep discussing this stupid shit.

    You just proved my point, dumbass.

  100. DirtMcGirt24 says: Oct 17, 2009 2:16 PM

    And to be clear:
    Do I like Rush? No. Do I think it’s fair he can’t buy a team because of his views, especially in light of the Miami ownership? No.
    The only thing that matters is whether or not he has skills to run a successful football team that’s part of a major economic monopoly. Whether or not he has those skills has nothing to do with his political or racial views.
    But, given his openly middle-finger view to over half the country, it sure is funny seeing him and his blind supporters get cannonballed in the process.

  101. Serr8d says: Oct 17, 2009 2:23 PM

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704322004574477021697942920.html?mod=rss_opinion_main
    Rush’s Wall Street Journal answer to this fiasco:
    “The Race Card, Football and Me”

  102. Tundrastruck says: Oct 17, 2009 2:25 PM

    Since the left is not able to operate their trickeration within the scope of truth, they create for themselves a more convenient truth that suits their agenda. Just ask Obama, who before even knowing even part of the story, said police officers “acted stupidly” in their arrest of one of Obama’s cronies. Bottom line is that the left can say and do what they want and when the right exercises their rights in a similar way, they are labeled as fringe lunatic activists. You wanna know who to blame? Start with the lawyers and continue with the media.

  103. HughJassPhD says: Oct 17, 2009 2:28 PM

    find a football angle? I thought this was PROFOOTBALLTALK!!!
    you must be a limbaugh fan cuz you guys are the only ones, along with florio who must love him some rush, to keep discussing this stupid shit.

    You just proved my point, dumbass.
    (Edited to update formatting so no one thinks I wrote that second idiotic sentence)
    Oh, and does that mean you “love you some rush”, since you can’t seem to shut up about it.

  104. Roboto says: Oct 17, 2009 2:34 PM

    Florio, does this really have anything to do with football at this point? Knock it off with the Limbaugh crap. You are embarrassing yourself.

  105. flyertime says: Oct 17, 2009 2:51 PM

    It is easy to see why it took so long for the retractions to start with the high level of integrity speaking out against rush, how could anyone not think with these fellas persecuting him that it must be just as they said.
    Shortly thereafter, the media elicited comments from the likes of Al Sharpton. In 1998 Mr. Sharpton was found guilty of defamation and ordered to pay $65,000 for falsely accusing a New York prosecutor of rape in the 1987 Tawana Brawley case. He also played a leading role in the 1991 Crown Heights riot (he called neighborhood Jews “diamond merchants”) and 1995 Freddie’s Fashion Mart riot.
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    Associated Press
    Rush Limbaugh
    Not to be outdone, Jesse Jackson, whose history includes anti-Semitic speech (in 1984 he referred to Jews as “Hymies” and to New York City as “Hymietown” in a Washington Post interview) chimed in. He found me unfit to be associated with the NFL. I was too divisive and worse. I was accused of once supporting slavery and having praised Martin Luther King Jr.’s murderer, James Earl Ray.
    Next came writers in the sports world, like the Washington Post’s Michael Wilbon. He wrote this gem earlier this week: “I’m not going to try and give specific examples of things Limbaugh has said over the years because I screwed up already doing that, repeating a quote attributed to Limbaugh (about slavery) which he has told me he simply did not say and does not reflect his feelings. I take him at his word. . . . ”
    Mr. Wilbon wasn’t alone. Numerous sportswriters, CNN, MSNBC, among others, falsely attributed to me statements I had never made. Their sources, as best I can tell, were Wikipedia and each other. But the Wikipedia post was based on a fabrication printed in a book that also lacked any citation to an actual source.
    (Source Rush)
    And I dare say after reading rush in this mornings WSJ that him and Wilbon won’t be doing lunch any time soon.

  106. PackFaninPackLand says: Oct 17, 2009 3:11 PM

    Funny how the media isn’t breathlessly reporting the retraction ???
    Of course, that is the lamest retraction ever – more like a CYA to me.
    The folks at the Post-Disgrace can’t help themselves. On Friday Oct. 16th, some columnist named Bill McClellan said this about Limbaugh, “Why not let him own just a few of the white players? He could own Marc Bulger and Chris Long, and maybe a couple of others. That way, if any black players were offended by anything he ever said, it would be no skin off their noses, so to speak.”
    Funny how all the libs saying that Rush is racist, are the ones THEMSELVES making all the racist comments. Why, one would almost think the liberal media had an “agenda” here, or something !
    Let hope Burwell and McClellan are among those at the St. Louis paper to get fired over this. And then sued. I’m tired of all this lyin’ a$$ liberal bull$hit about Rush. If it takes a few folks losing their life savings over it, then so be it.

  107. cowboys1 says: Oct 17, 2009 3:53 PM

    huhgJassd*cklover go to the political chat rooms loser

  108. Smush Rodrigez says: Oct 17, 2009 3:53 PM

    VoxVeritas says:
    Your “style” dances really close to the fire and I’m not going to shed a tear for you when you find yourself on the wrong end of a libel suit. In our opinion, you shouldn’t be able to hide behind the fact that this is a rumor blog.
    ****
    Florio, please sue Vox for libel. You can get his special edition pewter Dungeons & Dragon set.

  109. Smush Rodrigez says: Oct 17, 2009 4:09 PM

    @coaltrain…
    Thanks for the update on what year it is. Numerous people have complained about the same stuff I have and my point was that Florio posted that they were fixing/upgrading this stuff.
    As far as Rush goes, I do not care if the guy is a racist or not. He does not need to be a racist for me to think he is a jerk but he should be allowed to buy whatever he wants. Most of these owners are rich old white guys. I guarantee some of them are racist. Tony Dungy is about as racist as it gets and he is St. Tony in the league. If you have money, buy a team. The NFL should not worry about this crap.
    I also personally do not care about the Miami situation but the post about the lyrics and stuff is an excellent point.

  110. realityonetwo says: Oct 17, 2009 4:10 PM

    Apparently the column DID meet the Post-Dispatch’s standards. They ran the idiotic statement, didn’t they?

  111. worpspd says: Oct 17, 2009 4:18 PM

    People who call Limbaugh a racist have never, you know, actually listened to Limbaugh. They know nothing about him.
    Oh, on the McNabb quote, I never understood what was so bad. You mean the media and the NFL WEREN’T desirous that a black quarterback do well? Of course they were. And are.

  112. Serr8d says: Oct 17, 2009 4:31 PM

    Tracking down the libelist who changed Rush’s Wiki entry.
    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/10/the_search_for_the_wikipedia_l.html
    A well-connected nest of lefty NYC lawyers.
    Who knew?

  113. Opie says: Oct 17, 2009 5:27 PM

    Florio: I’m not very happy with you right now. This is (2) TWO times within the past week that you have made me agree with Vox….VOX!
    Mother of all that is holy!?! You are now officially on my list! If it weren’t for, more than a few, intelligent posters on here I’d vent more.
    This is what happens when you expouse on stuff that is not inherent to football. It is on the fringe and you realize it, but post it anyway for readership. From a business persons point of view, I get it. HOWEVER, as a pseudo-business owner, you have to weigh the pro vs. con. I hope you learned a valuable lesson. I’m sure you have “other factors” to consider now (owned by NBC), but to denegrate yourself to this level……
    Give me your address and I’ll send over a nice bottle of scotch. It has gotten me through some tough times and I can only hope that it gets you through this one.
    F’ing agreeing with Vox!?! Damn, I’m going to get my ‘special’ bottle of scotch now to get me through this……..my weekend is shot and I hope you’re happy.
    I think you should do a live show in Atlanta, so you and I can have a nice conversation…..

  114. NoKoolaidCowboy says: Oct 17, 2009 5:37 PM

    Doesn’t change a thing. Limbaugh is still one of the biggest a-holes in the planet. He couldn’t even keep his gig on an NFL show because of where his head is at.
    Good riddance. NFL doesn’t need him in any way, shape or form.

  115. VoxVeritas says: Oct 17, 2009 5:48 PM

    “Florio, please sue Vox for libel.”
    Florio doesn’t have the legal chops to sue me and win.

  116. Bob says: Oct 17, 2009 5:51 PM

    I sure won’t be accepting any apologies and I hope Rush won’t either, these fools need to be sued for their last pennies!
    They use the race card to try and shut everyone who doesn’t agree with them up, and it’s time for that to stop!

  117. VoxVeritas says: Oct 17, 2009 5:52 PM

    downsouth49er says:
    Why do you San Francisco fans hate breeders? You know if there were no breeders, there would be no you.

  118. flyertime says: Oct 17, 2009 6:03 PM

    Well Smush Rodrigez it was a very relevant point until some one here decided it was to relevant and deleted it. I guess the ownership in Miami is above reproach even at Pro Football Talk.

  119. Backinthesaddle says: Oct 17, 2009 6:34 PM

    Just another liberal media weasel trying to perform a character assassination on an influential conservative person….by lying. This is just like Dan Rather and his skanky producer Mary Mapes who did the hatchet job on W. These people are foaming-at-the-mouth liberal zealots masquerading as professional journalists. There is probably nobody they hate more or want to bring down more than Rush Limbaugh because he relentlessly exposes them for the frauds they really are.

  120. TomD says: Oct 17, 2009 7:09 PM

    I find the idea that somehow if someone says false and libelous things, and you don’t dignify it with a response, that somehow the assertion must have some merit. Rush Limbaugh shouldn’t have to waste his time denying a bunch of rubbish.
    Dave Checketts apparently lied to Rush, a bunch of santimonious media types repeated the false quotes, and players acting all bent out of shape should Rush be a limited partner in a football team, and Rush Limbaugh is somehow supposed to be at fault? It is a sad day for the NFL, and all the other holier-than-thou types who arrayed themselves against Rush Limbaugh.
    While I normally hate lawsuits, I hope all the perpetrators are smashed hard. If not, then this kind of character assasination will continue. That outcome will be truly sad and disgusting for our country.

  121. KansasGirl says: Oct 17, 2009 8:18 PM

    MrHumble, you are a bigot. You and your ilk are exactly what is wrong with this country.

  122. jan van flac says: Oct 17, 2009 8:22 PM

    Let’s face reality. Limbaugh is a racist
    First rule of racism: First person to cry “RACIST” is usually the true racist.
    Ok,
    I’ll second, and third it. He is a racist. And anti-American to boot.
    And while he is an undeniably successful businessman, he is not nearly the political force that he is given credit for being.
    He couldn’t even convince Republicans in South Carolina not to vote for McCain, despite hammering McCain daily during the primary season.

  123. John says: Oct 17, 2009 8:33 PM

    Mike, I am applauding you for making the biggest mistake of putting conservatism between your crosshairs, and how it’s firing back. You have managed to tarnish the one thing that keeps the proletariat content during election season. Pray that you did so with finality, so that now, there will be a lot of people who will no longer be content with taking at face value the fascist rhetoric your filthy ilk spew, because they are too busy watching football. You, and all the other red diapers like you, who stole the civil rights issue from Republicans in the 60′s, solely because you had the luxury of a lopsided, vastly biased media, receiving payment from communist capitalism sabateurs, are now discovering what it takes to become about as significant as the bird poop under my shoe. Now, people will realize just who the real racists are.

  124. Reace says: Oct 18, 2009 10:25 AM

    MrHumble said “Bottom line is he IS a racist, doesn’t matter if you say tomatoe and i say tomato……..exact words or quotes aren’t necessary to define a racist.”
    Oh really? How then do you know if someone is a racist if you cannot go by their words or quotes? You just KNOW it? You can read their thoughts? Are we now living in the world portrayed in 1984? A world where thought crime, unprovable and punishable by “reeducation camp” is acceptable?
    The fact is that nothing rush has ever said can be used to PROVE he is a racist. Therfore… someone had to make something up and the Mainstream Media was only too happy to jump on such inflammatory quotes. By doing so, they exposed their own incompetence.
    Meanwhile, the easily brainwashed people like Mr. Humble who have no capacity to think for themselves and must be told what to think have absorbed the falsities like sponges.

  125. flyertime says: Oct 18, 2009 11:10 AM

    So back to the Bloods & crips statement, think we are going to see florio and the rest of the MSM jump all over this left coast reporter for this column? Seems Rush would not be the only one worried about the gang mentality taking over the NFL, seems they have their own concerns about this issue. Amazing we haven’t seen this article talked about or the NFL stating that they have had their own concerns.
    By Sam Farmer
    Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
    July 16, 2008
    Hand signals captured on videotape are once again being scrutinized around the NFL. Only this time, it’s not the New England Patriots studying them for a competitive advantage, but league officials in search of a more sinister message.
    The NFL, concerned that some players might celebrate by flashing the hand signals of street gangs, has hired experts to examine game tapes and identify the gestures.
    “There have been some suspected things we’ve seen,” said Milt Ahlerich, the league’s vice president of security. “When we see it, we quietly jump on it immediately, directly with the team and the player or employee involved to cease and desist. Period.”
    Ahlerich says the league has long warned its players about the influence of gangs and other forms of organized crime, but that those admonishments have intensified since the 2007 killing of Denver Broncos cornerback Darrent Williams, who was gunned down after an altercation involving known gang members.
    The issue of athletes flashing signs gained national attention in April when Paul Pierce of the Boston Celtics was fined $25,000 by the NBA for making “menacing gestures” as he walked toward the Atlanta Hawks’ bench during a game.
    While acknowledging that he wasn’t “into the etymology of gestures,” NBA Commissioner David Stern took immediate action after league officials examined video of the incident.
    “And our decision is that there were two menacing gestures,” Stern said at the time.
    Speaking broadly, he added, “I guess I would say that the league is sending a message that says you’re the best athletes in the world, play the game. OK? And you know what, if you get baited, don’t take the bait and let’s play… . We’re not going to let it degenerate into something else, period.”
    Partly because of that episode, the NFL decided to make the identification of gang signs a point of emphasis this season, and has called on the resources of local and national authorities to learn more about gang culture.
    “We were always suspicious that [gang-related hand signals] might be happening,” said Mike Pereira, the NFL’s vice president of officiating. “But the Paul Pierce thing is what brought it to light. When he was fined … that’s when we said we need to take a look at it and see if we need to be aware of it.”
    NFL game officials will not be responsible for identifying gang signals but will alert league headquarters of anything unusual or suspicious they see. League executives declined to outline what action might be taken against offenders, but Pereira said, “it will be dealt with harshly. The commissioner is not going to stand for gang signals on the field.”
    Ahlerich does not believe the problem to be widespread in the NFL but says the league has spoken to some players about their use of hand signals. He declined to identify the players.
    First-year players were counseled on the matter at the recent rookie symposium, and last year a video on the dangers of gangs was required viewing for every player in the league.
    The way some players see it, there is guesswork involved, even for the experts who are studying game video.
    “Guys come from all over the country, and who knows what they’re really doing?” said Jacksonville Jaguars receiver Dennis Northcutt, adding he cannot remember seeing a gang gesture in his nine NFL seasons. “People have got signs for their kids, signs for their fraternities. How do you differentiate who’s really throwing up gang signs?”
    Northcutt gave an example.
    “This is a gang sign,” he said, touching his index finger to his thumb to form a squished OK sign. “But at the same time, it’s a sign for a personnel group.”
    Pereira said the gang experts take those factors into account and are very thorough when investigating gestures that appear suspicious. They are on the lookout for “symbols, clothing, jewelry or other items that would signify an association with criminal gang enterprises,” Ahlerich said.
    That’s not unique to the NFL and NBA, nor is it limited to professional sports.
    In an e-mail, NHL spokesman Frank Brown said Tuesday his league has “a general prohibition of profane, vulgar or inappropriate gestures (i.e., the throat slash). I am not aware of there ever having been reason to employ a gang expert.”
    Major League Baseball doesn’t study game video, but it does have a policy legislating merchandise. About a year ago, at the insistence of baseball and the New York Yankees, apparel-maker New Era pulled from the shelves Yankees’ caps featuring the team’s insignia emblazoned with gang colors and logos.
    In college sports, the Pacific 10 Conference in 1992 instituted a rule prohibiting football players from wearing bandannas, allowing them to wear elastic skullcaps only if they were in the school’s primary colors or black.
    Former USC coach Larry Smith was instrumental in the formation of that rule, according to conference spokesman Jim Muldoon, and was acutely aware of gang-related issues.
    Former NFL player Marcellus Wiley says he has known players to make gang signs while celebrating big plays, even if they have no direct association with those gangs.
    “A lot of guys when they get into the league, they aren’t actually throwing up gang signs as if they’re still active gang members, or were ever gang members,” said Wiley, who grew up in South Los Angeles. “But it’s just like Reggie Bush wearing [the area code] 619 under his eyes. It’s just kind of to symbolize where you came from.”
    The irony, Wiley said, is often the athlete flashing the sign was “allowed an opportunity to make it as far as we could without being approached by that lifestyle, that violence, all the stuff that went on in the neighborhood.
    “We were given an access pass to get beyond those things. And then we get to the NFL and we want to be tough. We want to get to the NFL or NBA and we want to be hard, get tattoos everywhere, throw up gang signs… . And those guys know that. You don’t live that lifestyle and graduate out of it.
    “Where I’m from,” he added, “you’re not the one that wants to throw up a gang sign if you’re in that neighborhood. Now, in front of millions of people on TV in the middle of the 50-yard line, who’s going to attack you? Who’s going to do something to you?
    “But you do that on Slauson and Crenshaw and see what happens.”

  126. TerryBell says: Oct 18, 2009 2:19 PM

    So what is the definition of “Racist”? The word is bantied about a lot, but everyone seems to use it as they wish.
    I have been called a racist by a man I invited into my workplace so that he might gain enough experience to get a job with the company I worked for, I invited him nto my home, let him use my pickup, invited him to my church, fishing afterwards, and two days later he calls me a racist. To me a racist would not want anone of the other race to succeed, would not be friendly with them, etc.
    He seemed to define racist as anyone who was not a Democrat. I couldn’t get him to say what he meant. What has Rush said or done to indicat that he is a “racist”? Simply admit he is not a Democrat?
    So what is a racist?

  127. docgary says: Oct 18, 2009 2:48 PM

    Ocelot138 says:
    October 17, 2009 12:14 PM
    No retraction issued regarding Rush PillPopper saying…
    “…The NFL looks like a war between the Bloods and the Crips….”
    Because he said THOSE racist things.
    _______________
    My dear Ocelot…
    Comments like the above are simple observations!
    The NFL DOES look like a war between 2 gangs.
    The high numbers of convicted felons, drug abusers etc is closer to a gang than say a choir.
    Is the comment racist because the crips and bloods are black?
    Sorry, Ocelot, but deal with the truth!
    The facts are that blacks cannot take criticism without screaming racism…
    The truth will always win out…
    your days are numbered….

  128. Reace says: Oct 18, 2009 4:57 PM

    Ocelot138:
    “No retraction issued regarding Rush PillPopper saying…
    “…The NFL looks like a war between the Bloods and the Crips….””
    Everyone who injects Race into that statement does not prove Rush is a racist. In fact, you merely indicate that it is you who may have racist tendencies. Why is it the first thing you think of when someone mentions A Blood or a Crypt is a minority? When Rush was talking about gang warfare, why did you immediately think of minorities.
    Fact: The NFL is not composed solely of minorities. It was white players and black players and others…
    Furthermore, if you bothered to take his whole statement into context, you would see that he was referring to violence on and off the field being a problem. A sentiment that commissioner Goodell agress with. Is Mr. Goodell a racist too?
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2812799

  129. bigbaboo says: Oct 18, 2009 7:29 PM

    To Mr. Humble:
    Do you not have anything more intelligent to offer other than the same old tired worn out racist card?
    If you spent one week listening to Mr. Limbaugh, you would know that he is not a racist nor is he a Marxist or Communist as is your President.
    This site should be all football, with that being said, why would a “racist” wish to own a business that will put millions of dollars into an industry that is 70%+ African-American?
    By the way Mr. Humble, where is affirmative action in all of this? Why are there little or no Hispanics in the NFL? Why are there NO Asians?
    Mr. Humble, you sir are a confirmed MORON.
    Call your mother to come get you, you are done.

  130. MBaugh says: Oct 20, 2009 3:10 AM

    To paraphrase: I didn’t say he said it. It was Burwell and Huberman, not me. I only said that they said he said it. Besides, if he’d just kept his mouth shut and let it slide instead of getting all “I never said that” about it, then hardly anybody would have noticed. Anyway, I guess we have to give him the benefit of the doubt about the allegedly false quotes (wink, wink), unless someone can substantiate them… someone?… anyone?
    Pathetic. But even worse are the “well, everybody knows he’s a racist, so it doesn’t matter if you make up a rank lie” comments… if he’s such a racist, why do you have to fabricate the quotes?

  131. SheHateMe says: Nov 16, 2009 3:02 AM

    I don’t care if he DIDN’t say it. He has made a career of agitating all of America’s right wing idiot wingnuts and making the most outrageous insults against anyone with a social concience in this country that it’s great to see him on the receiving end for a change. All it does is reinforce what everyone already knows is true about him.
    I don’t personnaly believe him to be a racist, but he’s found a comfortable, extremely profitable niche (400M$ contract) appealing to and throwing read meat to those who are. Added to this is his extreme hatred and slandering of our current president (the one trying to fix the mess this country was left in by our previous president), and it’s no wonder the world would believe any racial slander attributed to him, true or not……….

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