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Browns columnist already calling for Mangini's ouster

Eric Mangini never really experienced a honeymoon period in Cleveland.  And now there are already folks looking for a divorce.

Long-time Browns scribe Patrick McManamon wrote Monday that it’s time for a change.

“The time has come to recognize a mistake, make a tough decision and
start over again next season. It’s another restart and that’s one more
too many, but maybe it will produce better results and some long-lost
continuity,” he writes.

We’ve always found McManamon to be a thoughtful, very informative Browns writer.  He’s not the sort of columnist that writes to get a coach fired just to sell some newspapers.  And his case against Mangini is convincing.

Then again, the organization’s constant re-shuffling of coaches is clearly one source of its struggles. If owner Randy Lerner was convinced Mangini was the right choice, why assume the next pick will be any better?

There are a lot of legitimate questions in Cleveland — many wonder what Derek Anderson will have to do to get benched — but there aren’t any easy answers.

Perhaps Lerner will consider McManamon’s thoughts or maybe he’ll listen to his fans.  At the end of Sunday’s game, the remaining home crowd joined the Packers fans in attendance in a chant: “Go, Pack,
Go.”

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  1. joegill88 says: Oct 26, 2009 1:18 PM

    Who is the answer then? I don’t like Mangini at all, so why didn’t they just keep Romeo? Are you telling me Romeo couldn’t do a better job?
    I am Browns fan and ashamed to admit it sometimes.
    Joe Gill
    http://boston.sportsthenandnow.com/

  2. Laxer37 says: Oct 26, 2009 1:19 PM

    That’s what happens when you hire Barney Rubble’s stunt double to coach your football team.

  3. daffy87 says: Oct 26, 2009 1:20 PM

    What a moron. Yeah the Browns should get a new coach every season until they get one who takes the team to the playoffs in his first year. I wonder if he realizes how ignorant it is to call for “continuity” but at the same time call for a coaching change after 7 games. And if they switch coaches and we start 1-5 next year we should fire that coach too.

  4. Asswipe Johnson (Pronounced Az-Wee-Pay) says: Oct 26, 2009 1:22 PM

    A ridiculous assessment by the writer. At least give Mangini a couple years to bring in some of his guys. Lord knows they cannot be any worse the the 9 years of drafting and player acquisitions by the Browns before he got there.
    2007 – Cleveland Browns
    Rd Sel # Player Position School
    1 3 Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin
    1 22 Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame
    2 53 Eric Wright CB Nevada-Las Vegas
    5 140 Brandon McDonald DB Memphis
    6 200 Melila Purcell DE Hawaii
    7 213 Chase Pittman DE Louisiana State
    7 234 Syndric Steptoe WR Arizona
    2006 – Cleveland Browns
    Rd Sel # Player Position School
    1 13 Kamerion Wimbley OLB Florida State
    2 34 D’Qwell Jackson ILB Maryland
    3 78 Travis Wilson WR Oklahoma
    4 110 Leon Williams LB Miami (Fla.)
    4 112 Isaac Sowells G Indiana
    5 145 Jerome Harrison RB Washington State
    5 152 DeMario Minter CB Georgia
    6 180 Lawrence Vickers FB Colorado
    6 181 Baba Oshinowo DT Stanford
    7 222 Justin Hamilton DB Virginia Tech
    2005 – Cleveland Browns
    Rd Sel # Player Position School
    1 3 Braylon Edwards WR Michigan
    2 34 Brodney Pool DB Oklahoma
    3 67 Charlie Frye QB Akron
    4 103 Antonio Perkins DB Oklahoma
    5 139 David McMillan LB Kansas
    6 176 Nick Speegle LB New Mexico
    6 203 Andrew Hoffman DT Virginia
    7 217 Jon Dunn T Virginia Tech
    2004 – Cleveland Browns
    Rd Sel # Player Position School
    1 6 Kellen Winslow TE Miami (Fla.)
    2 59 Sean Jones SAF Georgia
    4 106 Luke McCown QB Louisiana Tech
    5 161 Amon Gordon DE Stanford
    6 176 Kirk Chambers T Stanford
    7 208 Adimchinobe Echemandu RB California
    2003 – Cleveland Browns
    Rd Sel # Player Position School
    1 21 Jeff Faine C Notre Dame
    2 52 Chaun Thompson LB West Texas A&M
    3 84 Chris Crocker DB Marshall
    4 115 Lee Suggs RB Virginia Tech
    5 142 Ryan Pontbriand C Rice
    5 152 Michael Lehan DB Minnesota
    6 195 Antonio Garay DE Boston College
    2002 – Cleveland Browns
    Rd Sel # Player Position School
    1 16 William Green RB Boston College
    2 47 Andre Davis WR Virginia Tech
    3 76 Melvin Fowler C Maryland
    4 101 Kevin Bentley LB Northwestern
    4 111 Ben Taylor LB Virginia Tech
    4 122 Darnell Sanders TE Ohio State
    5 141 Andra Davis LB Florida
    7 227 Joaquin Gonzalez T Miami (Fla.)
    2001 – Cleveland Browns
    Rd Sel # Player Position School
    1 3 Gerard Warren DT Florida
    2 33 Quincy Morgan WR Kansas State
    3 65 James Jackson RB Miami (Fla.)
    4 97 Anthony Henry DB South Florida
    5 134 Jeremiah Pharms – Washington
    6 165 Michael Jameson CB Texas A&M
    7 203 Paul Zukauskas G Boston College
    7 245 Andre King WR Miami (Fla.)
    2000 – Cleveland Browns
    Rd Sel # Player Position School
    1 1 Courtney Brown DE Penn State
    2 32 Dennis Northcutt WR Arizona
    3 63 Travis Prentice RB Miami (Ohio)
    3 79 JaJuan Dawson WR Tulane
    4 95 Lewis Sanders DB Maryland
    4 110 Aaron Shea TE Michigan
    5 130 Anthony Malbrough DB Texas Tech
    5 146 Lamar Chapman DB Kansas State
    6 183 Spergon Wynn QB Texas State
    6 206 Brad Bedell T Colorado
    7 207 Manuia Savea – Arizona
    7 209 Eric Chandler – Jackson State
    7 225 Rashidi Barnes DB Colorado
    1999 – Cleveland Browns
    Rd Sel # Player Position School
    1 1 Tim Couch QB Kentucky
    2 32 Kevin Johnson WR Syracuse
    2 45 Rahim Abdullah OLB Clemson
    3 62 Daylon McCutcheon CB USC
    3 76 Marquis Smith DB California
    4 124 Wali Rainer MLB Virginia
    5 148 Darrin Chiaverini WR Colorado
    6 174 Marcus Spriggs DT Troy State
    6 187 Kendall Ogle LB Maryland
    6 191 James Dearth TE Tarleton State
    7 207 Madre Hill RB Arkansas
    Place the blame where it belongs with regards to this organization.

  5. callmecougar says: Oct 26, 2009 1:26 PM

    Another abysmal performance by a washed up joke that should have never been hired and should be fired immediately. I’m not talking about Mangini, I’m talking about Pat McManamon. You are a turd of a journalist in a town full of turd journalists. You’ve had a hard-on for the Browns since they showed you the door, and you’ve clearly lost your ability to write objectively about the team as a result.
    Furthermore, you and all of your fellow “D-list” colleagues in our local media need to stop calling for Mangini’s head without having a plan for what the team could do to replace him. Who would you bring in to coach here? Would they even be interested in coming? It’s really easy to come up with knee-jerk reactions to adversity, it’s a lot harder to come up with solid solutions.

  6. GoBrowns19 says: Oct 26, 2009 1:31 PM

    Cribbs was pissed about the chants, but come on. We have to pay $500 or more for season tickets and not only is every season over before November ever year, but every game is over at halftime. It’s just not football. I don’t even watch them at home after it becomes a 2 score deficit, and I had never missed a game in 33 years before this season.

  7. Duan says: Oct 26, 2009 1:31 PM

    As a faithful Cleveland Brown fan, I am with McManamon. Let me explain why!?
    Whenever a coach takes over a team, there should be some kind of improvement, something! Whether it is the defensive line, the offensive line, the running game, the passing game! SOMETHING. You bring in YOUR guys to sell the system!? To explain the system!!!!
    But the product that is in Cleveland, that’s just piss poor and I am sorry!!!!! This is the offesnive peformance game 1 – 20 points, game 2 – 6 points, game 3 – 3 points, game 4 20 points, game 5 – 6 points, game 6 – 14 points, game 7 – 3 points! In the one win they have they scored 6 points!!!!!!
    The sheer apathy is cynical!!!! It is almost funny! That is a coach who is not making any kind of adjustments, to tweak this team into doing something right!!! That is bad business!!!
    Sure you want to give the coach a chance, heck he has had 7 so far, with no results!!!!!!
    I am going to give him until Sunday, November 29th – if I don’t see any kind of improvement, he has to go! I am sorry. But if they don’t squeek out 4 wins, he has to go!!!! He has to go!
    Lerner needs to place, Holmgren, Gruden, Dungy and Cowher all on speed dial! Open up the check book and spend the dough that’s going to get someone in, that is going to motivate that team back into relativity!

  8. DC Vikings Fan says: Oct 26, 2009 1:32 PM

    Cleveland fans should look to what’s happening in Washington, where the fans and increasingly the media are calling for the ouster of the owner from day-to-day operations. Of course, that is unlikely to happen, but there seems to be a growing sentiment that it definitely won’t happen as long fans keep buying tickets and paraphernalia.

  9. rodstiffington says: Oct 26, 2009 1:34 PM

    Comp: 60
    Att: 137
    Yds: 605
    Cmp %: 43.8
    TD: 2
    Int: 7
    Rat: 40.6
    With a Unitas-esque stat line like this, how can you bench him?
    Honestly, this is some of the most pewtrad football I have ever watched (XFL and UFL included). It really is embarassing anymore to be a fan.
    I just hope and pray that for that Monday Night game is sold out. But only Raven fans in the seats. That’s the only way you will get through to ManKok and our Douche Bag owner.

  10. leatherneck says: Oct 26, 2009 1:37 PM

    I’m not a Browns fan, but I sympathize with Cleveland and hope the Browns get better.
    Say what you will about Mangini, at least he has a plan.
    Now, whether that’s a good plan or not…. I don’t know. It is a plan.

  11. blastfurniss says: Oct 26, 2009 1:39 PM

    As lousy as Mangini is, and I think he gets the rest of this season and next, the Browns problems go beyond one man. George Kokinis is the invisible GM. It appears he’s strictly Mangini’s puppet. Speaking of invisible, there’s owner Randy Lerner who doesn’t seem like he even wants to own the team he inherited from his father. Lerner is to blame for rushing into the Mangini hire and then giving him full authority over all aspects of the football organiation.
    The best move Lerner may have made is the recent hire of Bernie Kosar as a “consultant.” The fans love Bernie and the team needs someone the fans can trust as the face of the franchise. It’s a move Lerner should have made before he hired Mangini in the first place.

  12. Duan says: Oct 26, 2009 1:39 PM

    As a faithful Cleveland Brown fan, I am with McManamon. Let me explain why!?
    Whenever a coach takes over a team, there should be some kind of improvement, something! Whether it is the defensive line, the offensive line, the running game, the passing game! SOMETHING. You bring in YOUR guys to sell the system!? To explain the system!!!!
    But the product that is in Cleveland, that’s just piss poor and I am sorry!!!!! This is the offesnive peformance game 1 – 20 points, game 2 – 6 points, game 3 – 3 points, game 4 20 points, game 5 – 6 points, game 6 – 14 points, game 7 – 3 points! In the one win they have they scored 6 points!!!!!!
    The sheer apathy is cynical!!!! It is almost funny! That is a coach who is not making any kind of adjustments, to tweak this team into doing something right!!! That is bad business!!!
    Sure you want to give the coach a chance, heck he has had 7 so far, with no results!!!!!!
    I am going to give him until Sunday, November 29th – if I don’t see any kind of improvement, he has to go! I am sorry. But if they don’t squeek out 4 wins, he has to go!!!! He has to go!
    Randy Lerner needs to place, Holmgren, Gruden, Dungy and Cowher all on speed dial! Open up the check book and spend the dough that’s going to get someone in, that is going to motivate that team back into relativity!

  13. BuckFigBen says: Oct 26, 2009 2:00 PM

    It’s so ridiculously easy to beat us. Why do you think Baltimore and Pissburgh are good every year? They have 2 guaranteed wins before anyone else. They have a head start on the league.
    Mangini was a horrible hire…each week this team looks worse. This fan base has been through more crap than any other fan base, and we’re admittedly loyal to a fault. Lerner needs to hire a football guy, let him pick the GM, and let the GM pick the coach. Instead he gets a boner for the guy that booed out of NY, and hires him before anyone else. News flash Randy: The only people you were competing with for Mangini’s services was KFC.”
    Just fire this pile of shit and get it right before the fan base leaves your soccer lovin ass.

  14. Bob Nelson says: Oct 26, 2009 2:06 PM

    Don’t worry about the “Go, Pack, Go!” chants.
    Packer fans are everywhere.
    You see cheeseheads at the Olympic Games.
    The team from Titletown has the largest world wide following.
    At least something was heard at the stadium besides the boos.

  15. twinkletoes says: Oct 26, 2009 2:24 PM

    C’mon, it’s alreay well established that Randy Lerner doesn’t care as much for the Browns as their fans do. If he did, the first thing he would do is bring in talented management experience. We’re talking forking over the big bucks for an Ozzie Newsome, Bill Parcells, etc. But he won’t.
    Lerner’s just holding down the fort, maintaining the status quo. Until the loyal Brownies start voting with their wallets, he will allow the Mangenius experiment to continue into next season.
    This team needs more than coaching talent; they need someone in the front office to call the shots. This whole coaching/GM model needs to go away. The Seahawks didn’t get better until Holmgren had his GM duties stripped from him, and Shanahan lost his job because he wouldn’t relinquish his GM duties and focus exclusively on coaching.
    Mangini doesn’t have it as either. He’s a career coordinator.

  16. thecarline says: Oct 26, 2009 2:33 PM

    @Dunn
    Not only did you over-abuse the exclamation mark; but you also clearly ignore the Browns. The team was bad last year. The same team will be bad this year. It does not matter if you had Mangini , Holmgren, Gruden, Dungy or Cowher. If you want a reason for your team being bad? Look at the coach who was there two-three years ago. If that coach is the same coach as your current coach, then call for him to be gone. All systems, and this is both football and business, require time to evaluate talent and put in place the key pieces (QB).
    Quinn and Anderson are not your answer. Frankly, even if they had trade value, you are trading nickels to the dollar with a trade during the regular season. Teams make a trade in this portion for players that can either be dropped into an offense or for players as a back-up role. Your goal of getting a pick for either Anderson or Quinn is very short-sighted. The ability to take in a playbook, as a QB, requires at least an entire off-season.
    Did Mangini trade this years draft pick to the Jets for Sanchez, who has looked impressive at times. Yes he did, but the Jets are a damn good organization compared to the Browns. They have a strong running game and a tremendous defense. Sanchez has looked both impressive and unimpressive. But you never make your review of a real investment after 1/2 a year. The coach position is not a get rich quick scheme.
    You now have many draft picks next year in what is said to be one of the deepest talent drafts in recent memory. Cheers!

  17. dcfan-1212450 says: Oct 26, 2009 2:46 PM

    As a Redskins fan, i sympathize with the Browns fans. And as we well know in Washington change what a call for a coaching change feels like, in this case i must disagree. Yes fire Mangini. He has no control over the team. He has no respect from his players, and his team is really under performing. And the main reason to fire him is the same reason we demand a coaching change in Washington, there are some really good Super Bowl winning coaches out there. Not coordinators like last year or the year before, but proven head coaches. Shanahan, Holmgren, Cowher, Dungy, and Gruden. And expect most of them(probably not Dungy) to be back to coaching next year.

  18. Duan says: Oct 26, 2009 3:05 PM

    thecarline – you are ignoring this simple fact!?
    The team has regressed! Not improve.
    Okay the quarterback play, granted its terrible, then try running the ball!? They can’t run, they can’t block, they can’t takle!
    Blitz’s are predicatble and picked up!?
    C’mon man!? Like I said, you should see some kind of improvement. It is so easy to blame the the quarterback, it is so so easy!
    There is no investment, its a bad deal, period. Dump it after the year and move on, the only good thing – we have for additional picks

  19. Bob Nelson is a Whiney Titty Baby says: Oct 26, 2009 3:22 PM

    Mention the Packers and there is Bob Nelson. Leave the Cleveland posts alone, Bob. You have already tried to ruin the discussions in the Minnesota posts.

  20. thecarline says: Oct 26, 2009 4:02 PM

    @Duan
    You honestly have to be kidding if you thought that a coach would instantly improve an awful team into a decent product. If I give you two slices of the best bread known to man and a pile of dog crap and tell you to make a sandwich with the two ingredients, you are still going to be eating a turd sandwich. The Browns were a turd last year and are still a turd this year.
    Running the ball, passing the ball, blocking, and tackling are all elementary skills for an NFL player. Every player should be able to make these skills; and frankly if you as an NFL player can’t do that, then it’s best that franchise removes you from the field. There is a huge difference between play execution and play calling. The blitzing being predictable, that is a play calling issue. The inability to run the ball because of blocking issues is a player issue. Running plays that are predictable and at the wrong time, that’s a play calling issue.
    It’s easy to blame a QB. It’s also easy to blame a coach. Especially a new coach who’s traded many of the players who had shown glimpses of elite within their pedestrian typical play.
    I can tell you no coach wants to go to a program that has unrealistic expectations in terms of winning, no matter how much money you throw at them. Look at franchises that fired a coach after one year (Quick research indicates two in the past 5 yrs… Raiders fired Lane Kiffin, they are still awful, Raiders fired Art Shell, still awful.)
    Everything is an investment; from the player you take in the first round to the player you take in the seventh round, from the head coach to the director of scouting. Every one is an investment to the bottom line of the team, wins. You want to look at the investment as one person (Head coach) when in reality the real investment is the entire organization. They are awful, from top-to-bottom. The Browns have few quality players, two offensive linemen (Thomas and Steinbach), a kick-returner (Cribbs), and a LB (D’Qwell Jackson) after that it’s a roster of marginal to bad players.
    You want to blame someone, blame Romeo. Let Mangini stay for at least three years.

  21. Duan says: Oct 26, 2009 5:45 PM

    thecarline – I am a realist, didn’t expect miracles.
    But c’mon – the raiders are shot because of free agency and drafts, we are in the same boat.
    This man was hired in Januray of 2009, he is 10 months into the job and right now the product looks like garbage. Pure d garbage!
    I am telling you right now, if they don’t squeeze out two more wins by November 29th – he got’s to go. PERIOD!
    I know you are saying patience, but if I see the same kind of game play in the next 4 games, you might as well bag’em up and ship’em off. Because that’s a wrap for me and the Mangini era.

  22. JoeSixPack says: Oct 26, 2009 7:45 PM

    Lerner made an impulse purchase, locking Mangini up quickly when no one in the NFL wanted him (there was a reason for that)
    Then he exacerbated that bad decision by letting Mangini be the defacto GM, giving him ulitmate authority and letting him hire the GM.
    They should get rid of both Lerner and Mangini… and before the NFL talks about putting an NFL franchise in London they should consider putting one in Cleveland

  23. johnnydom says: Oct 26, 2009 9:26 PM

    Well, where do you start with this mess?? After 7 games the Browns are worse then last year, even after Mangini brought in..what 10-11 of “his” guys. I realize that it is still early for Mangini but come on, the fact that Mangini was not getting hired by any other team any time soon and with several Super Bowl winning coaches out there available it makes you wonder why the rush.
    A point made by a previous post, I believe that with the large number of drafts the Browns have next year(11), maybe they will come away with some talent. The continued expansion team on the field is a joke to watch and an embarassment. Lerner selling the team is not the answer, his move bringing in Bernie is great if he has some input, like say… the offense. Don’t jump on Lerner at least he has an open check book and will spend on free agents when the coach calls for them. I believe that although Mangini is..(no pun) in the dog house now he needs some time to turn this around and after this year let’s see where things are and after game 16 if the Browns are 1-15 then maybe we need to look at Gruden, Shannahan, Holmgren and Cowher, once again. There needs to be some improvement and so far after 7 games this team is regressing.
    Quinn now has no trade value, since he is not starting after the terrible stats of D.A. that tells me that he is done in Cleveland. Back to the drawing board with a new Q.B. again, maybe next years draft has the “franchise” Q.B. that we desprately have been seeking since the return in ’99

  24. Rasputin says: Oct 26, 2009 10:07 PM

    Benito Mangini is a scumbucket whose “turnaround” with the Jets was via gimmicks (no-huddle all game, “motion” defense, and curiously timed on-side kicks) … and that lasted all of about 6 games before everyone knew what to expect. And his second season the Jets went back to sucking – and the players hated playing for him. The Jets are still paying fines to the league because of him.
    All he “accomplished” in NE was to inherit the defense Belichick and Crennel built and not destroy it. Though given enough time …
    There was no reason to expect he’d do better for the Browns and clearly he’s done even worse. After this next loss to the Bears, he’ll be 1-7 heading into the bye. There’s two weeks to fire the Ratman and his minion, Daboll, and hand the job to any sentient being capable of doing in any way better – which leaves the field of applicants open to a chimp in a diaper and, of course, the dead.
    Two weeks is enough time to at least get the players motivated to perform and maybe save the rest of the season. Going 5-11 is a hell of a lot better than going 1-15.

  25. tobago says: Oct 26, 2009 10:49 PM

    You cant fired Lerner, hes the real problem, Mangini like cosch Crennel walked into a hornets nest. I would give him until midseason, if no improvement is shown, then show him the door. Coach Crennel must be laughing at this so called organization.

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