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Week Seven Morning Aftermath: Packers 31, Browns 3

That win the Browns somehow stole in Buffalo could ultimately be the only victory that Cleveland achieves in 2009.

They weren’t even close to getting a victory on Sunday (3-0 lead notwithstanding), and a week featuring a flu outbreak ended with a game that induced nausea for everyone in attendance.
And so it’s time for major changes in Cleveland.
Derek Anderson must go.
Brady Quinn must go.
Eric Mangini must go.
Everyone in the coaching staff and front office must go.
And at a time when Redskins fans are repeatedly calling for Daniel Snyder to sell the team, why aren’t Browns fans similarly uprising against Randy Lerner?  The fact that the Browns weren’t expected to be any good this year — and pretty much haven’t been in the entire decade since returning to the league — has likely contributed to a sense of complacency and/or acceptance.  Still, at a time when some are wisely pointing out that Lerner should declare that it was a mistake to hire Mangini, the bigger challenge would be for Lerner to admit that he made a mistake when he decided to keep the team he inherited from his father, Al Lerner.
Randy Lerner seemed to put minimal effort and thought into the hiring of a new coach and G.M. in January, locking onto Mangini at a time when no one else wanted him, instantly intrigued by a guy who worked his way up from a gopher-type job with the original Browns.  It was almost as if Lerner regarded the process as an annoyance, and that Lerner gladly acted on his first impulse.
So, yes, it’s a nightmare in Cleveland.  And, yes, the fans could soon be staying away.
But it was a great day for the Packers, who dominated in every phase.  Now at 4-2, they  have a shot at blowing the NFC North wide open by knocking off the 6-1 Vikings at Lambeau Field.
It’s almost enough to make the return of Brett Favre a curiosity.
Almost.
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92 Responses to “Week Seven Morning Aftermath: Packers 31, Browns 3”
  1. Big_Monkey says: Oct 26, 2009 2:16 PM

    Mangini reminds me of Richie Kotite.

  2. BuckFigBen says: Oct 26, 2009 2:22 PM

    We all know Randy won’t sell. He thinks he is a die hard fan. That said, the words “complacency and/or acceptance” aren’t in our vocabulary. We are a very angry group of fans. The obvious next step is just stop going to the games. Sell your tickets to the rival fans and let ownership see their stadium filled with the opposition. This way we all get some extra cash, and maybe Randy will get the message.

  3. 69ers says: Oct 26, 2009 2:23 PM

    Bigger joke? Browns, Raiders, Rams or Skins? Wow, tough one. I’ll go with……..Raiders.

  4. nerd says: Oct 26, 2009 2:28 PM

    As a lifelong Packers fan, I would rather see Favre’s streak ended than win this game.

  5. Adam says: Oct 26, 2009 2:42 PM

    I respect Mike Florio, but he’s wrong about the fans not uprising against Randy Lerner. The fan base started the uprise last year, and this year a fan even started a petition to get Randy Lerner to sell the team. The petition has thousands of signatures.

  6. Chickenfoot says: Oct 26, 2009 2:50 PM

    nerd says:
    October 26, 2009 2:28 PM
    As a lifelong Packers fan, I would rather see Favre’s streak ended than win this game.
    ==================================
    That right there in a nutshell is why I hate most Packer fans.
    That is pathetic, you aren’t even a fan of football.
    This mindset is so painfully ignorant and immature.
    Watched a whole barful of “Packer fans” cheering more for the Vikes to lose than their own team to win.
    So childish. You out to be ashamed of yourself and your fellow packer fans should be calling you out for the loser that you are.

  7. The Coop says: Oct 26, 2009 2:50 PM

    Florio, your assessment that Browns fans haven’t “risen up” against Lerner is completely ignorant.
    Virtually every well-educated Browns fan knows that this problem starts at the top. What are they supposed to do? Convince Lerner to put the team on eBay?
    Browns fans passion is the one thing working against them. Millions of us the world over are completely disgusted, but we won’t just jump ship and turn our backs on the franchise like so many other front-running fans would.

  8. PackerFanTastic says: Oct 26, 2009 3:00 PM

    Maybe the NFL made a mistake in granting a franchise to Cleveland. It seems like it was an emotional decision made to appease the fans and the city, but c’mon, is Cleveland really a great market for the NFL. Now that they are thinking of adding a franchise in London maybe they should just move the Cleveland franchise there. They could be the London Fogs and their fans could sit in the Fawg Pound.

  9. rodstiffington says: Oct 26, 2009 3:01 PM

    Wow. A lot of wasted effort in your post. Let me sum it up.
    Browns suck mightily as they proved Sunday.
    They have to be one of the most dysfunctional organizations in the NFL.
    And the Packers are who we thought they were. That is all.
    Look, even 3 paragraphs.

  10. PackerFanTastic says: Oct 26, 2009 3:02 PM

    I am a lifelong Packer fan and I want to see Green Bay destroy Minnesota and embarrass Favre.

  11. HBOilers24 says: Oct 26, 2009 3:03 PM

    Florio you seriously don’t pay attention to anything do you. I’m a browns fan and all i ever hear is the fans want Lerner gone. we are calling for Lerner’s head, i guess you just havent gotten the memo’s

  12. gbsparks says: Oct 26, 2009 3:06 PM

    So, chickenfoot sees a barful of “Packer fans” and infers that all Packer fans behave in a way that upsets him.
    Love the logic, or rather the lack of it.

  13. CleveDawg says: Oct 26, 2009 3:12 PM

    Florio’s a little late to the lynching party for Randy Lerner, but it’s not news that the national media knows very little about the local sentiments in Cleveland. The problem is that Randy Lerner has never built anything and he doesn’t seem to have the capacity to learn. He didn’t build his father’s credit card business, he sold it. He didn’t purchase the Cleveland Browns, he inherited it and he’s treating it like a rich kids favorite toy. He doesn’t know how it works, he just knows he likes it and he likes being known as the owner. As a contrast, Cleveland has Dan Gilbert (Cleveland Cavs). Gilbert has all the qualities of what a pro fanchise owner should be: entreprenuerial spirit, street smarts, uber -competitiveness, an uncanny sense of timing. The Indians once had that in Dick Jacobs. We need to find that person to purchase the Browns.

  14. Strick says: Oct 26, 2009 3:14 PM

    Chickenfoot said:
    “That right there in a nutshell is why I hate most Packer fans.”
    Go ahead and hate. It’s your right. Just like it’s our right to despise the Vikes and now, by extension, Brett. Seeing him in a Jets uniform was merely strange. But seeing him in purple is a different story. As soon as he went over to the dark side he became the enemy.
    I personally wouldn’t wish a serious injury on anyone (even a Viking), but I hope Old What’s-His-Name gets battered, beaten and humiliated this weekend.

  15. GobiasINC_1 says: Oct 26, 2009 3:18 PM

    Chickenfoot is right. All of us Packer fans “out to be ashamed” of ourselves.
    Bad Packer fans. Bad.

  16. Supersuckers says: Oct 26, 2009 3:19 PM

    Chicken,
    This is from a Minnesota fan on another thread. Just FYI.
    Duderino says:
    October 26, 2009 3:04 PM
    Chester Taylor left Favre out to dry on that botched catch – tipped it right to the defensive player. The fumble is on Bret. I put the INT on Chester. Does it matter? Nope – result is still a loss for the Vikes. Just gotta reload & prepare for next week. I hope the Williamses squash Rodgers into the ground, bust a couple of his ribs and do a Gilbert Brown gravedigger celebration over his sorry carcass.

  17. Strick says: Oct 26, 2009 3:23 PM

    “Duderino says:
    October 26, 2009 3:04 PM
    Chester Taylor left Favre out to dry on that botched catch – tipped it right to the defensive player. The fumble is on Bret. I put the INT on Chester. Does it matter? Nope – result is still a loss for the Vikes. Just gotta reload & prepare for next week. I hope the Williamses squash Rodgers into the ground, bust a couple of his ribs and do a Gilbert Brown gravedigger celebration over his sorry carcass.”
    Damn those classless packer fans!!

  18. wrath4771 says: Oct 26, 2009 3:23 PM

    Not that many will get the hockey reference here, but as a Colorado Avalanche fan, the only thing as sweet as a Avs win is a Red Wings loss. We relish when they suffer. As a Packers fan, most Packers fans feel the same way – we hate the Minnesota Vikings. Not just a case of severe dislike like it is with the Bears, but hate. So the only thing as sweet as a Packers win is a Vikings loss. Like I told my dad yesterday, “I haven’t wanted the Steelers to win this bad since Super Bow XIII.” And any real Vikings fan would tell you the same thing, the only thing as good as a Vikings win is a Packers loss. To try and wrap it up any other way just makes you a Lions fan.

  19. rakjr says: Oct 26, 2009 3:24 PM

    Florio, I do love the site and think you do a great job. But to agree with some of the other posters, yes, Clevelanders have been calling for Lerner to sell. This has been going on for at least a year but really gained steam during the last few weeks of the 08 season and then into the offseason. He’s an absentee owner that hires a coach/gm then disappears. He needs to be around to hold them accountable for their decisions which has not been the case since his father passed and Randy took over.

  20. Ralph says: Oct 26, 2009 3:33 PM

    Nothing sullies the name of a sport like a fan wishing for an injury to a player.
    Certainly that’s your right, if that’s what you want to do. In return, I would wish the same for you. An injury that forces you out of your job and hopefully makes you unable to return to your job in the future.
    I hope that puts it in a different light for you.
    I hope my team drops a big ol’ can of whoop ass on your Packers next Sunday, but at the same time I hope that there are no serious injuries on either side of the ball.
    It’s all fun and games till someone loses and eye. Then it’s hilarious j/k.

  21. Hound32 says: Oct 26, 2009 3:42 PM

    Save the Browns ……Fire The Owner!..This Crap starts at the Top!!!!!!

  22. Chickenfoot says: Oct 26, 2009 3:47 PM

    To clarify to all you anti chicken people:
    The jagoff said, he’d rather have favre’s streak ended than a WIN…..what part of that don’t you get?
    Seriously!!
    It’s more important to him that favre gets injured than winning the game.
    That’s the type of packer fan I’m talking about.
    If you get your panties in a bunch over that and the barful of packer fans comment, than maybe you are the same type of fan?
    I understand that you are mad at favre, I just don’t understand the mindset of a fan to root MORE for the Vikings to lose than the packers to win.
    You guys are supposedly SOOOOO happy with Rodgers, what do you care what Favre does?
    You are better off right?
    You have had since mid August to adjust and yet you are still whining about it.
    I guess I shouldn’t balnket everyone, wait, I DIDN”T…I said most.
    by the waygbsparks, look at the majority of your fellow fans on here, it’s not just a barful of fans, it’s everywhere.
    I’m sorry favre gave you fans 2 middle fingers when he signed with us. I guess he doesn’t care about the fans, why would he?

  23. TheBaySay says: Oct 26, 2009 3:55 PM

    Chickenfoot, I have accepted by now that you will post here more than pretty much anyone else on the planet. But is there a reason that you need to do all of the double spacing stuff all the time? Makes it harder to scroll past all of your “wit and wisdom.” Carpal tunnel injuries are not something to be encouraged or celebrated.

  24. Supersuckers says: Oct 26, 2009 3:57 PM

    Chicken I think if the Green Bay game was close there would have been less “cheering” for Minnesota to lose. The GB game was over and Minnesotas game was competitive. I think everyone there would have rather seen the packers win then minnesota lose but since the first one was wrapped up more attention may have been placed on the Minnesota game. We all want our divisional rivals to lose.

  25. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Oct 26, 2009 4:07 PM

    Ralph says:
    October 26, 2009 3:33 PM
    Nothing sullies the name of a sport like a fan wishing for an injury to a player.
    Certainly that’s your right, if that’s what you want to do. In return, I would wish the same for you. An injury that forces you out of your job and hopefully makes you unable to return to your job in the future.
    —————————-
    See, that’s the thing.. Wishing harm upon someone doesn’t make it happen. So I can wish two broken legs, a punctured spleen and a dislocated dick on Favre and that won’t make a damn bit of difference.
    So go ahead and wish catastrophic injuries on me. I’ll be here shaking in my boots.

  26. dak says: Oct 26, 2009 4:11 PM

    I need to say that the call for Lerner to sell the team has been in progress fo at least a year.
    I also need to say that as a fan for over 40 years as easy as some of you talk about giving up it is not that easy. I have really been discouraged at the performance over the last 10 years, and as a season ticket holder who travels 6 1/2 hours I never once uttered the words give up. I’m a lifelong fan and will be until I die. As far as Lerner goes my opinion is owners come and go as do coaches, and players, so if selling the team is what it takes I’m in, but never will I not attend a game or give up. It’s not in my vocabulary.

  27. OmegaXxXNFL says: Oct 26, 2009 4:11 PM

    Watching the Vikes spiral is always a bonus for the opposition, what the h e!! Chickenhead, are you upset because Packer fans won’t cheer for Brett Favre? Idiotic and wishful, isn’t going to happen in this lifetime, could you imagine Steeler fans rotting for the Browns just because Big Ben is there, yeah right; pull your head out son!

  28. Chickenfoot says: Oct 26, 2009 4:17 PM

    BaySay:
    Now that i I know it bothers you,
    I’ll triple space.
    Super: Don’t give me that, it’s worse this year than every other year. It’s just that whiny packer fan bitches can’t get over the fact that their ” icon” is playing for the Vikings.
    It’s pathetic. Don’t you root for the team and not the player? I do.

  29. Supersuckers says: Oct 26, 2009 4:34 PM

    Yes but part of rooting for your team is needing your divisional rivals to lose.

  30. C.Bass says: Oct 26, 2009 4:37 PM

    Dak,
    You are a glutton for punishment. Owners come and go? How many have the browns had during your lifetime?
    Let me guess you have Couch, Holcomb, Frye, Quinn, and Edwards jerseys. Clowns fans just don’t get it. STOP buying jerseys of unproven players. When are you going to learn? It’s so funny how the stadium is full of jerseys of players who no longer play for the clowns.

  31. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Oct 26, 2009 4:41 PM

    Chickenfoot says:
    October 26, 2009 4:17 PM
    Super: Don’t give me that, it’s worse this year than every other year. It’s just that whiny packer fan bitches can’t get over the fact that their ” icon” is playing for the Vikings.
    It’s pathetic. Don’t you root for the team and not the player? I do.
    —————————–
    Are you blind? Most of us have been rooting for the Vikings to lose nearly as long as we’ve been rooting for the Packers to win.
    Yes, we root for the team, not the player. That’s why we’re rooting against the Vikings. They’re the Vikings. And now that Favre’s a Viking, we’re rooting against him. I wished the same terrible injuries on Culpepper as I do on Favre. Sadly, none of them have happened. Yet. I think I just haven’t been wishing hard enough.
    I didn’t root against Favre last year. I wanted him to fail, but didn’t really care much. Now he’s a Viking so I’m rooting against him like I rooted against Longwell, Sharper, etc, etc.

  32. Chickenfoot says: Oct 26, 2009 4:41 PM

    No Omega.
    I think 1 certain fan is pathetic because he wants a favre injury over a packers WIN.
    That’s idiotic.

  33. Lamblow Field filled with Dairyland Drunks says: Oct 26, 2009 4:42 PM

    (Dead Packers Walking) Countdown to Packers burial at Lam Blow T minus 6 days & counting

  34. notudey says: Oct 26, 2009 4:44 PM

    as a bengal fan i say…keep em all. our division is tough enough as it is. we love 2 gauranteed wins a year.

  35. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Oct 26, 2009 5:08 PM

    Lamblow Field filled with Dairyland Drunks says:
    October 26, 2009 4:42 PM
    (Dead Packers Walking) Countdown to Packers burial at Lam Blow T minus 6 days & counting
    —————————
    Yayyyy! Now we get to read this idiot’s countdown for the next 6 days.

  36. ZI11 says: Oct 26, 2009 5:14 PM

    We are calling for him to sell but no one wants to buy the browns so it looks like we’re shit out of luck until someone who actually likes football buys the team

  37. Ambrose says: Oct 26, 2009 5:25 PM

    Favre deserves every bit of the wrath he is getting from Packer fans. He is the one and only reason that he is no longer the quarterback for the Packers. He should still be here and he has no one to blame but himself. He dicked around three years in a row prior to getting himself jettisoned to New York, not just his last year (with Green Bay.) Then he plays the “I’m just a good ‘ol country boy that likes to play ball” routine and manipulates his way onto a team that is one step away from the SB….just in time to miss camp…..after everybody else worked they asses off! Typical Favre. Typical egomaniac. Nobody (I know) is whining that he is gone, just dissappointed that he is such a self-centered jag-off. He clearly belongs with the Vikings and their jag-off fans. Jag-offs one-and-all. I hope he gets hit so hard he has to pee through his earhole. This isn’t like Longwell or Sharper. This is Benedict Arnold in a purple jersey. It’s different. He is placing himself above a team, first GB, now Minnesota. The Minnesota fans have bought his walking-on-water act and won’t know what hits them when he plays the “what, me worry?” schtick, after he fails. He could’ve had it all if he had been willing to put in the effort. Now he wants it for free, because he has rationalized that he deserves it (somehow.) All he wants is whatever is important to him. If you can’t see that, then you’re just a chickenfoot.

  38. buckifan4life says: Oct 26, 2009 5:27 PM

    That’s funny how Bengal fan can talk sh*t while forgetting the horrid 90’s when their team was the laughing stock of the NFL…
    The Browns could probably dominate the UFL. That’s a silver lining…

  39. biglebronski10 says: Oct 26, 2009 5:32 PM

    Here is the link to the petition urging Randy Lerner to sell the team. I can’t believe it’s just rounding 5000 signatures now.
    http://www.gopetition.com/online/31062.html

  40. tufar says: Oct 26, 2009 5:38 PM

    Hey Adam-Chris….contradictatory comments. On one hand you tell us you root for a team not the player, but you manage to root against individual players like Favre or Longwell? Wishing injuries on a player is just soooo wrong, you have your priorities screwed up, that is not being a fan, how old are you anyway? You are the kind of Packer fan that I’m sure other Pack backers are ashamed of.

  41. PervyHarvin says: Oct 26, 2009 5:46 PM

    Packer fans. Favre comes back to the farm this Sunday and completes the sweep and satisfies the medias need for Favre vengeance.Please be there for Aaron. He will be hurt. Mentally by the fact that Favre will always be better.Physically because there is no line to stop Calf Roper. Light candles. Churn cheese with him. Take him to the Dells to fish with Big Dave and John Gillespie. Please don’t let him go off the deep end. He’s a nice young man.

  42. Beer Cheese Soup says: Oct 26, 2009 6:02 PM

    Chickenfoot says:
    Super: Don’t give me that, it’s worse this year than every other year. It’s just that whiny packer fan bitches can’t get over the fact that their ” icon” is playing for the Vikings.
    __________________________________
    Chicken, I don’t think we hate Favre playing for you all near as much as you all feel a need to constantly remind us that he is. You’re like the guy that dates your ex, who you dumped, and then brags to you about it. If I wanted her, I’d still be with her. I’m not, so what do I care who she’s with?
    We hate the Vikings. All of them. That includes their coach, QB, 5th WR, backup long snapper, et al. Doesn’t matter who it is or who they used to play for, if they’re a Viking, we’re going to hate them. If it’s worse this year, it’s because the Vikings are a much better team than they’ve been in a long time (maybe ever) this year, NOT because our “icon is playing for the Vikings”.
    You’re right, wishing injures on people is classless and wrong. However, once again, don’t judge an entire fanbase by one idiot. You don’t hear me saying all Viking fans are just like Caps Lock LarryBird or the “this is our year!” guy (who probably will take a week off now).
    As for your “entire bar full of fans”.. Super hit that one on the head. The Browns and Lions games were over before they started. Kinda like when you guys played those two teams, except we were never trailing. So what do you do after you know you’ve won? Root for a rival to lose, of course. That’s football. Don’t even begin to tell me, with your blatant hate of all things green, that you have never done that.
    I love how Viking fans love to dish out the hate buffet-style, but they can never handle even the slightest amount being directed back at them. It’s that mentality that makes Florio post more about them than any other team. Can’t wait until Sunday.

  43. Ambrose says: Oct 26, 2009 6:06 PM

    The difference between the two games will be evident this weeknd by virtue of being able to hear the playcalling. That is why these teams usually split the series. Stinkhole echo chamber versus a real football field. The other shoe is about to be dropped.

  44. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Oct 26, 2009 6:07 PM

    biglebronski10 says:
    October 26, 2009 5:32 PM
    Here is the link to the petition urging Randy Lerner to sell the team. I can’t believe it’s just rounding 5000 signatures now.
    http://www.gopetition.com/online/31062.html
    —————————-
    The problem is they’ve been bringing it to the games to get signatures.

  45. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Oct 26, 2009 6:15 PM

    tufar says:
    October 26, 2009 5:38 PM
    Hey Adam-Chris….contradictatory comments. On one hand you tell us you root for a team not the player, but you manage to root against individual players like Favre or Longwell? Wishing injuries on a player is just soooo wrong, you have your priorities screwed up, that is not being a fan, how old are you anyway? You are the kind of Packer fan that I’m sure other Pack backers are ashamed of.
    —————————-
    I rooted against Daunte Culpepper. I rooted against Robert Smith (even though I thought he was a class act). I rooted against Dwayne Rudd – that was a real idiot. I rooted against John Randle. I’ve rooted against every player who wears an ugly purple uniform. I’ve rooted against all of them because I hate the Vikings.
    Is there anything wrong with that? Should I pray for an 8-8 season for the entire league? Ultimate parity. Maybe Roger Goodell should do away with the playoffs and the championships and everyone can get gold stars at the end of the season. Maybe we should tear down the scoreboards–Jerry Jones just shed a tear–and stop keeping score so everyone can be happy and no one will be offended. Is that what you want?
    Again, what difference does it make if I root for a Favre injury? If enough people root for it, will it happen? Should I send around a petition like the Browns fans? What if I pray for his wife to have a re-occurrence of her cancer? Will it come back? No. So what the hell does it matter what I wish for? Get off your high horse. It doesn’t make a bit of difference.

  46. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Oct 26, 2009 6:19 PM

    Favre vengeance? Child, please. Vengeance for what?
    I like the bit about churning cheese, though. You city-folk and yer ignerint ways.

  47. Chickenfoot says: Oct 26, 2009 6:22 PM

    nerd says:
    October 26, 2009 2:28 PM
    As a lifelong Packers fan, I would rather see Favre’s streak ended than win this game.
    ===========================
    What part of this comment aren’t you idiots getting?!!?
    ———————————
    Yayyyy! Now we get to read this idiot’s countdown for the next 6 days.
    ================================
    Pissandmoanerson:
    We’ve had to read your idiotic crap for 6 months.
    Surely you can handle 6 days of this.

  48. GB3Pack4 says: Oct 26, 2009 6:49 PM

    Just read the preceding 41 comments. Good grief, this is only Monday. Gonna be a looonnnnnng week -

  49. yodels says: Oct 26, 2009 6:53 PM

    From the Cleveland Plain Dealer:
    “The owner of the Browns once said he wanted to build an organization that would make him irrelevant. What does that tell you?”
    We all know Randy is a moron and we all desperately want him to sell. Get your facts right, Florio.

  50. Calistin says: Oct 26, 2009 7:19 PM

    Who is this Brett Favre guy you all keep mentioning?

  51. Beer Cheese Soup says: Oct 26, 2009 7:24 PM

    Chickenfoot says:
    nerd says:
    As a lifelong Packers fan, I would rather see Favre’s streak ended than win this game.
    ===========================
    What part of this comment aren’t you idiots getting?!!?
    ____________________________________
    Fine. Nerd’s a douche. An aptly named douche too. F— you Nerd. I hope YOUR “streak is ended”.
    That still doesn’t explain why you think all Packer fans are like that though. We’ll just file that one under blind ignorant purple hatred.
    As for you Pervy.. YOU take the man fishing, you’re the ones with a whole state of nothing to be proud of except lakes. Before you do though, get some cream and start churning right now. Keep working on it until it turns into cheese. Let me know how it works out.

  52. tufar says: Oct 26, 2009 7:44 PM

    Adam..Chris..I know this might be beyond comprehension for you, but hate has it’s basis in fear. Could you be fearful of the Vikes? If it doesn’t matter if you wish for injury on opposing players, why bother wasting brain space on it? As you say it likely won’t happen because you wish it to be. Weird way of thinking pal.

  53. dak says: Oct 26, 2009 7:44 PM

    @ C Bass
    I guess you miss the point. Owners do come and go since the Browns have had 4. Also just check around the league. Most teams do not still have original owners. Some sell some die, and some teams have multiple owners. The point is you do not root for the owner.
    Again you miss the point or maybe your the clown. I said players come and go therefore again I root for the team and city and players currently on the roster, but I do not buy jersey’s with names on them, and I shed no tears when one goes unless that player was on the team for a long time. So if your going to comment at least know what your commenting on.

  54. Your comment submission failed for the following reasons: Registration is required. says: Oct 26, 2009 8:21 PM

    As a Browns fan and native Clevelander, I don’t believe I know one fellow fan who doesn’t want Lerner to sell the team. I think the only reason you’re not seeing a high-profile public uprising is because apathy has set in. It’s the football version of battered woman’s syndrome (understand I’m not drawing a moral equivalency here, nor undermining that problem by any means) for Browns fans… there’s a general sense of hopelessness about the organization’s direction. We’re talking about an owner who has publicly admitted he’s not a football guy, but refuses to hire an executive to run the team in his absence because he’s “learned a thing or two”.
    Your assessment of Randy Lerner: “It was almost as if Lerner regarded the process as an annoyance, and that Lerner gladly acted on his first impulse.” is absolutely dead on the mark. He is an arrogant man, unwilling to admit his mistakes, and incapable of learning from them. The worse things get, the more he digs his heals in an attempt to prove that he’s right.
    I hate to say it, but this is only the beginning, Browns fans. Randy’s a young guy, just 47 years old. He’s not selling. We’re looking at at least 20 more years of this.

  55. jimmySee says: Oct 26, 2009 9:01 PM

    nerd says:
    October 26, 2009 2:28 PM
    As a lifelong Packers fan, I would rather see Favre’s streak ended than win this game.
    ==================================
    That right there in a nutshell is why I hate most Packer fans.
    That is pathetic, you aren’t even a fan of football.
    This mindset is so painfully ignorant and immature.
    Watched a whole barful of “Packer fans” cheering more for the Vikes to lose than their own team to win.
    So childish. You out to be ashamed of yourself and your fellow packer fans should be calling you out for the loser that you are.
    I am a lifelong PACKERS fan (and stockholder in the team). I call out nerd for the loser that he is. Packers fans are football fans and do not wish ill on anyone (except to lose when they play the green and gold).
    That being said ——-> I understand why Packers fans cheered for the Vikes to lose — the Packers game was a rout and that Vikes loss set the Packers in line to nearly tie for first in the NFC North if they can knock off the Vikes at Lambeau on Sunday. It puts their fate in their hands. Makes perfect sense to me.

  56. PervyHarvin says: Oct 26, 2009 9:17 PM

    @ BeerCheeseSoup- I’m an Iowa boy that came to MN to catch all of their fish. It is their best feature,be glad to take him. Walleyes on fire!! lol So,will it at least become ice cream or something??? lol

  57. JohnC says: Oct 26, 2009 9:30 PM

    We’ve pretty much had it in Cleveland. The problem with Lerner is that he is very low-key, so the national media isn’t going to do any stories about him. When interviewed he doesn’t allow any visual or audio recordings. And he doesn’t grant that many interview to begin with. The networks have a deal of some sort so that they never show him on TV.
    The general feeling around here is that Mangini was a mistake. He alienated too many players with his approach. We really didn’t expect to have a winning team, but this team has showed NO signs of improving; in fact this team is WORSE than it was a year ago. It was one thing to not score touchdowns when the number one and two QB’s were hurt, but now Quinn and DA are both healthy. Mangini is showing a lot of stubbornness in the QB situation. Many fans (including myself) feel Quinn should get some playing time. He was pulled after two and a half games this season and only played two games last year. We don’t think this is really enough of a chance for someone who broke Montana’s records in college. DA’s numbers are hideous. True, not all of his numbers are his fault, but at this point what’s the harm?
    And of course Quinn has a clause in his contract that gives him 10 million if he takes 70% of the snaps. Many people are speculating this is why he’s sitting. Could be.
    Anyway like many teams across the land we have only one home game that is sold out. And the Browns are by far the number one team as far as fan support goes. It’s unfathomable to us to have games blacked-out. But the way this season is going it’s probably a blessing in disguise.

  58. nerd says: Oct 26, 2009 10:56 PM

    Chickenfoot, if you want fans who hate other teams more than they love their own, look no farther than Queens fans.
    I just don’t like Favre, and this has become a personal thing with him. He’s gone to the dark side, in a bad way.

  59. SWTxDawg says: Oct 26, 2009 11:18 PM

    Mankok got a lot of criticism for not drafting diva Crabtree…it seemed to work out better for us. It’s a little irresponsible to say Mangini, the coaching staff and everyone else in the organization needs to go. Who would replace him/them? We ran Butch Davis out of town but quite a few player he drafted are still in the league. The Browns got pressured into hiring Crennel only because the Pats won a Superbowl with a good choking defense…this should tell you how much NFL Analysts know. Mangini did a medicore job with the Jets and he should be able to improve. Because make pisses off some players doesn’t mean he should be fired. He did make some questionable decisions with pulling Quinn so early and he probably did not get enough for the Edwards trade, but to say he must go is reckless and the nfl comentators/analysts simply don’t put much thought into what they’re saying. Mangini injected his player into the roster to make a change; now to fire Mangini would mean many/most of those he signed as free agents and drafted are soon to be on the chopping block…that would be ridiculous. Quinn and Anderson need to go – yes. Mangkok is smart not to play Quinn and possibly get more for him in a trade with a lower cap hit, so that a new team can renegotiate a contract with him…but this is really all Quinn’s fault by holding out his rookie season…those are some lessons learned everyone can use…like Crabtree. The Browns simply need an anchor at the RT and a few playmakers. I hope to see Clemens at QB next year and maybe Tebow to inject some wildcat play along side Cribbs. That would be a threat to a lot of teams. We don’t need new WRs…they just need to catch the ball. How can the Defense be evaluated when they are on field for 35 mins a game? Bottomline: the Browns need a few playmakers on Offense to move the chains and score some points and that can be addressed via next years draft and free agency.

  60. Beer Cheese Soup says: Oct 27, 2009 7:01 AM

    nerd says:
    I just don’t like Favre, and this has become a personal thing with him. He’s gone to the dark side, in a bad way.
    ____________________________________
    I don’t care what your excuse is, you’re a classless loser and a disgrace to good Pack fans. Please go away.
    Chicken, there is nothing worse for me than when any of the Bears/Cowboys/Vikings play each other, because that means all three of them can’t lose that week. Almost all fans root against their rivals, and you can’t tell me that doesn’t include you.
    Once again, the typical Viking fan hypocrisy.

  61. Chickenfoot says: Oct 27, 2009 8:42 AM

    Look, I get you rooting for your team and against the Vikings.
    Beer, we have had this convo before, my wording ttends to look like I mean all Packer fans, I usually try to put most in there, when I type it.
    That being said, I live in La Crosse, trust me, there are a lot of idiot Packer fans here…A LOT!
    I guess I see more idiots than I do Sane fans like you, you are right, I should take you on a one by one basis.
    I think nerd just struck a nerve with that comment, because of what I heard from packer fans on sunday.
    I generalize too much and I will try to watch my wording more carefully.

  62. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Oct 27, 2009 10:02 AM

    tufar says:
    October 26, 2009 7:44 PM
    Adam..Chris..I know this might be beyond comprehension for you, but hate has it’s basis in fear. Could you be fearful of the Vikes? If it doesn’t matter if you wish for injury on opposing players, why bother wasting brain space on it? As you say it likely won’t happen because you wish it to be. Weird way of thinking pal.
    —————————-
    So you root FOR your team’s opponents? You want to see everyone do well and be happy and get along?
    Guess what? Some of us like the rivalry. Some of us like to have one team we can’t stand. Go ask a 50-year old Bears fan if he likes the Packers. He’ll spit in your face. Personally, I don’t mind the Bears. They haven’t been competitive very often since I’ve been watching football. And their fans aren’t that annoying.
    And on the other hand you have the Vikings and their fans… Enough said.

  63. Chickenfoot says: Oct 27, 2009 10:31 AM

    Adam-Chris Scheftersen says:
    October 27, 2009 10:02 AM
    tufar says:
    October 26, 2009 7:44 PM
    Adam..Chris..I know this might be beyond comprehension for you, but hate has it’s basis in fear. Could you be fearful of the Vikes? If it doesn’t matter if you wish for injury on opposing players, why bother wasting brain space on it? As you say it likely won’t happen because you wish it to be. Weird way of thinking pal.
    —————————-
    So you root FOR your team’s opponents? You want to see everyone do well and be happy and get along?
    Guess what? Some of us like the rivalry. Some of us like to have one team we can’t stand. Go ask a 50-year old Bears fan if he likes the Packers. He’ll spit in your face. Personally, I don’t mind the Bears. They haven’t been competitive very often since I’ve been watching football. And their fans aren’t that annoying.
    And on the other hand you have the Vikings and their fans… Enough said.
    =================================
    This from the king of annoying people?
    I knew you were some fricking 19 year old kid.
    Barely alive for 1 super bowl and claiming all that packer tradition that you weren’t even alive for.
    That just makes you more pathetic than before.
    Annoying is having to watch you try to answer every Viking fan post with your inane drivel.
    You spend more time on Vikings threads than you do on your own teams threads.
    Then, you wonder why you get blasted and castigated like you do, it’s beyond silly.
    Personally, you strike me as someone who likes having something spit in your face, and no, I’m not talking about saliva either.
    You don’t know crap about football and you just HAVE TO prove it on a daily basis.
    Maybe after next week, you’ll just dry up and blow away? I doubt it, you have this unwarranted idea that what you have to say is somehow relevant to the thread. Alot of your packer brethren think you’re an idiot too.

  64. Supersuckers says: Oct 27, 2009 10:57 AM

    Tufar,
    there is no fear of the Vikes this week. Sunday cannot come soon enough for us.

  65. Chickenfoot says: Oct 27, 2009 1:01 PM

    Down to 3 WR’s, 3rd string TE, not sure if Clifton can go.
    And you’re not worried……….
    Boy, beating up on the Lions and the Browns certainly went to someone’s head.

  66. Supersuckers says: Oct 27, 2009 1:32 PM

    Injuries are part of the game. They will have 4 healthy wideouts. 3rd string tight end? When did we lose Lee? Lang has done a fine job if Cliffy can’t go (I’ll bet he goes though)

  67. TheHydraPart6 says: Oct 27, 2009 3:11 PM

    TheHydra sees all. TheHydra feels all. TheHydra knows all. TheHydra predicts a packer win over the queens 23-16

  68. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Oct 27, 2009 3:13 PM

    Chickenfoot says:
    October 27, 2009 10:31 AM
    This from the king of annoying people?
    I knew you were some fricking 19 year old kid.
    Barely alive for 1 super bowl and claiming all that packer tradition that you weren’t even alive for.
    That just makes you more pathetic than before.
    Annoying is having to watch you try to answer every Viking fan post with your inane drivel.
    You spend more time on Vikings threads than you do on your own teams threads.
    Then, you wonder why you get blasted and castigated like you do, it’s beyond silly.
    Personally, you strike me as someone who likes having something spit in your face, and no, I’m not talking about saliva either.
    You don’t know crap about football and you just HAVE TO prove it on a daily basis.
    Maybe after next week, you’ll just dry up and blow away? I doubt it, you have this unwarranted idea that what you have to say is somehow relevant to the thread. Alot of your packer brethren think you’re an idiot too.
    ——————————-
    Guess what, dicknose? I’m not close to 19 and you’ve posted yet another worthless diatribe. Anytime you want to talk FACTS, I’ll be waiting. In the meantime, you can take this shit to yournotmybff.com and blow it out your ass.
    As far as “my packer brethren” are concerned… I could care less. I got into an argument with BeerCheeseSoup once. Other than that, I’d like to see whatever evidence you have of all of the packers fans on this site thinking I’m an idiot.
    But I’m not going to hold my breath. You talk big, but you never follow it up with anything. Facts, research, analysis.. Those are all foreign terms in your little world.

  69. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Oct 27, 2009 3:15 PM

    Chickenfoot says:
    October 27, 2009 1:01 PM
    Down to 3 WR’s, 3rd string TE, not sure if Clifton can go.
    And you’re not worried……….
    Boy, beating up on the Lions and the Browns certainly went to someone’s head.
    —————————
    Any of those three of those WRs would start for a team to the west.
    Besides, the 4th and 5th string WRs are really not a concern. The running game and OL are. For someone who posts as much on this site as you do, you ought to know that. But then again, most of your posts aren’t about football anyway.

  70. Chickenfoot says: Oct 27, 2009 3:41 PM

    No idiot, but DEPTH at WR, sure is a concern!!
    Rice is out performing Jennings by leaps and bounds you idiot. I”ll take Harvin any day of the week over any of the 3 healthy guys on that roster.
    You tend to get into arguments with people that know what they are talking about, whereas, you have no clue.
    Here’s a suggestion. instead of filling that insatiable need to answer every post that comes down the pike, why don’t you just read them?
    That way, you MIGHT learn something and not look like a freaking tool every time you post.
    You’ve been called an idiot more times than I care to research. You’d think you’d either change your ways or just go away, but you obviously have no shame, so, here you are.
    I’m not going back through the archives to prove something we both know has happened.
    You aren’t that important to me to waste the time and effort. You’re just a sad little man, that thinks he’s right about everything and will argue to death inane points.
    You can add the depth at WR to your poor OL and putrid running game and it all adds up to a Packer loss……but I bet the Packers have more Yards.
    I almost feel sorry for you…almost.
    But, you bring shit on yourself and for that, you only have yourself to blame. Take a look in the mirror, you gotta be thinking life just isn’t worth it…don’t you?

  71. Beer Cheese Soup says: Oct 27, 2009 6:05 PM

    TheHydraPart6 says:
    TheHydra sees all. TheHydra feels all. TheHydra knows all. TheHydra predicts a packer win over the queens 23-16
    ___________________________________
    JESUS F. Part 6?? Have you seriously been banned five times and yet you STILL come back for more?
    Mighty intelligent post there too. Care to share some reasons WHY you predict that? Maybe some insight or analysis to prove you’re not just pulling numbers out of part 6 of your ass???
    Why are we Packer fans so poorly represented on this site? The others I’ve met in real life are not like you five idiots (you know who you are).. I would feel sorry for the Viking fans having to read your unsubstantiated mindless drivel on their threads, at least if they weren’t a bunch of, well… Viking fans…
    I’ll get ready for Hydra part 8 now…
    Chicken-
    As is evidenced, there are far worse Packer fans on here than Adam-Chris. I, for one, have never really had a problem with the guy. If you say most Packer fans hate him, consider where you are and exactly what level of “Packer fans” you’re dealing with. I personally would consider it a compliment if any of these rejects said they hated me..

  72. Chickenfoot says: Oct 27, 2009 9:58 PM

    I guess hate is a strong word, Beer.
    What I meant is, the meathead finds himself in the center of a lot of arguments for the sole fact that, if you don’t agree with him, he tries to verbally beat you in to submission to his way of thinking.
    I’ve seen it with packer and Vikings fans alike.
    Why he feels the need to retort to every fricking post is beyond me.
    Me? I just like to rattle his cage. I’ve told him several times that I was screwing with him.
    But, being the lunatic that he is, every time he sees old chicken post something, he’s got to mouth off.
    It’s ok tho, i amuse myself at work replying to the football illiterate such as him.
    You’d think the clown would give it up.
    Anyway, I enjoy debating with you. As for Super, I promise you that you will never change his mind on Teddy Teabag.

  73. Beer Cheese Soup says: Oct 27, 2009 11:17 PM

    Chickenfoot says:
    Anyway, I enjoy debating with you. As for Super, I promise you that you will never change his mind on Teddy Teabag.
    ____________________________________
    I figured that one out earlier today. It’s the same with most other Thompson lovers. They get it in their mind that he can do no wrong, and suddenly they think Harrell’s a Pro Bowler, Hawk’s a HOF lock, and every other team in the league is stupid for not having three fullbacks on the active roster.
    It’s like having a debate on politics or religion. No one’s going to convince the other person they’re wrong no matter what they say, so why even bother?
    Anyway, I usually enjoy debating with you as well. Rational fans are a rarity on this site, but at least all the others are always good for a laugh.
    Can’t wait for Sunday…

  74. Supersuckers says: Oct 28, 2009 8:44 AM

    Beer Cheese,
    There is a reason why they have 3 fullbacks on the team. A reason that you just seem to not be able to figure out. I sure am glad you are a nobody in the world of football and not making decisions for the Green Bay Packers.

  75. Chickenfoot says: Oct 28, 2009 10:07 AM

    Uff,
    You are actually going to defend 3 fullbacks?
    They have some new formation where they are going to use all 3 ?
    Hell, put em on the OL, they can’t be any worse than what is there now!
    I can’t think of any time you’d use more than one.
    For as bad as their run game is, 2 extra fullbacks is wasted roster space.
    The only thing I could think of was for special teams reasons.
    Not working out so well, Pack’s special teams isn’t all that great.
    It’s like all other Thompson ideas, it may look good on paper, but the results just aren’t there.
    Leave your self thin at other positions to keep 3 FB’s . I don’t see the sense in it.

  76. Supersuckers says: Oct 28, 2009 11:22 AM

    Chicken,
    None of this is directed at you. Its directed at Beer Cheese. The explanation from Thompson for the three fullbacks was they simply could not choose which one to let go. All of them have special teams qualities and the only thing they had to do differently to keep 3 fullbacks was to only keep 2 qbs and put Brohm on the practice squad. Special teams is a very important part of football and green Bay’s special teams have been very good this year. no kicks have been returned and there field position figures are much improved over last year. Packers beat writers were fine with it. McCarthy was excited about it. Thompson was fine with it. They all know more then me. So I’m fine with it.

  77. Supersuckers says: Oct 28, 2009 11:25 AM

    Poor run game? The Packers are averaging 1.9 yards per game less then Minnesota. Does that make Minnesota a poor running team also?

  78. Beer Cheese Soup says: Oct 28, 2009 11:32 AM

    Supersuckers says:
    Beer Cheese,
    There is a reason why they have 3 fullbacks on the team. A reason that you just seem to not be able to figure out.
    ___________________________________
    You’re right. I can’t figure it out. Neither can any other GM in the league, apparently. Please enlighten me, oh great one.
    Chickenfoot says:
    Uff,
    You are actually going to defend 3 fullbacks?
    They have some new formation where they are going to use all 3 ?
    Hell, put em on the OL, they can’t be any worse than what is there now!
    I can’t think of any time you’d use more than one.
    __________________________________
    Yeah he is, hilarious huh? Actually we do plenty of 2 FB sets, particularly for short yardage plays. 3 is excessive though. Can’t we find ANY better use for roster spots, especially given our lack of overall depth?

  79. Supersuckers says: Oct 28, 2009 11:41 AM

    Beer Cheese,
    There is a book entitled “The GM” that YOU REALLY need to read to help educate you on what actually occurs internaly for a NFL Franchise on a day to day basis. Hopefully this reading will prevent you from constantly embarrasing yourself. See above for three fullback explanation. They kept 2 qbs. It really is that simple.

  80. Supersuckers says: Oct 28, 2009 11:45 AM

    Beer Cheese,
    Exactly where are the Green Bay Packers lacking depth? Depth isn’t the problem. Your ignorant answer would probably be offensive line. Well son, you see we traded Tony Moll. TONY MOLL and got Derrick Martin in return. That should show you how desperate EVERYONE is for OLINE help. There isn’t anybody in the ranks of the unemployment line that is a better player then what they have or they would be there. OLine depth isnt the problem. there is plenty of capable bodies. Those bodies have struggled in pass protection i will concede. But depth isnt the problem execution is. Where else on that football team do you not see “depth”?

  81. Supersuckers says: Oct 28, 2009 11:49 AM

    Chicken,
    Bad as their running game is?
    Special teams “isnt all that great”
    Where did you get that from? Hydra’s swirl?

  82. TheHydraPart6 says: Oct 28, 2009 11:57 AM

    TheHydra does not want any mention of TheHydra’s cinnamon swirl unless SuperSucKers is planning on showing TheHydra he is worthy of his Screen Name

  83. Supersuckers says: Oct 28, 2009 12:35 PM

    Ok with that I am done for the day. Thank you Hydra! More productive things to do anyway ya queer.

  84. Beer Cheese Soup says: Oct 28, 2009 12:36 PM

    Supersuckers says:
    Beer Cheese,
    Where else on that football team do you not see “depth”?
    __________________________________
    In the secondary. Unless you think our recent safety woes were par for the course as well, or maybe that Jarrett Bush is a capable corner?

  85. Chickenfoot says: Oct 28, 2009 12:45 PM

    Super:
    Special teams for GB IS NOT GREAT!!
    KR yards for: Rank = 22
    PR yards for : Rank = 25
    KR yards Opp: Rank =20
    PR yards Opp: Rank =29
    Punting Avg. Rank =29
    Crosby 12/15…he’s the only one doing ok.
    As for the rushing….. AP gets game planned against. I’m sure Grant doesn’t. Up until the last 2 weeks against 2 depleted rosters of bottom feeders, the Pack wasn’t rushing the ball.
    At the end of the season, All Day will lead Grant by a wide marging in rushing yards.
    You aren’t seriously going to cfompare the 2, are you?
    Still waiting for a sensible answer on why GB is set at QB until 2021.
    Just because Rodgers has had 1.5 good seasons, does not precluse he will still be good 12 years from now.
    Admit it, it’s a double standard on your part.
    You say you don’t have a crystal ball when it comes to wins and losses, yet you are POSITIVE that Rodgers is set for 12 more years…..

  86. Supersuckers says: Oct 28, 2009 12:52 PM

    Hey mistakes happen. Look at Hydra. Think he wants to be queer? If Thompson and McCarthy are satisfied then so am I. Why? Because they know more then we do.

  87. Supersuckers says: Oct 28, 2009 1:07 PM

    Chicken you are right. I have no way of knowing if Rodgers will be good 12 years from now. I apologize for my ignorant statement. I will not make excuses but one will slip from time to time reading this crap. I wasnt comparing the two backs. You stated that green Bay has a “bad” run game but using your rankings they are 13th in the league 1.9 ypg behind Minnesota. So if Green Bay running game is bad what does that makes Minnesota’s. I’m not foolish enough to compare the to backs as individual players.

  88. Chickenfoot says: Oct 28, 2009 1:26 PM

    Yeah, didn’t realize they were that close either.
    But the ST play is atrocious for GB.
    I’m not trying to dig at you, I just don’t believe he is that good of GM and whether he is or not, a lot of fans are not happy.
    going 6-10 last year did not help.
    You don’t have to apologize, i just like proving you wrong once in awhile ;)

  89. TheHydraPart6 says: Oct 28, 2009 1:38 PM

    @ Chickenfoots
    TheHydra sees that you have been pulling your statements straight from that desirable cinnamon swirl of yours! Yum Yum Yummy would be so fun for my Tummy. TheHydra also recognizes a Queen team with weaknesses. TheHydra doesn’t feel the queens could win away games against the Giants, Saints, Packers, Bears, Ravens. or Niners. TheHydra also believes the queens would lose at home to the Giants and the Saints at this point in the season.

  90. Chickenfoot says: Oct 28, 2009 2:17 PM

    Hydra:
    I haven’t been wiping the swirl, must be why you desire it so. You have a taste for shit.
    What the Hydra believes and what is reality are 2 different things.
    The chickenfoot feels that you would screw a snake if you get someone to hold it still.
    I thought we had a deal? When the Vikes beat the rams, you were supposed to be gone.

  91. Beer Cheese Soup says: Oct 28, 2009 4:01 PM

    Supersuckers says:
    If Thompson and McCarthy are satisfied then so am I. Why? Because they know more then we do.
    ____________________________________
    Of course they know more than WE do. We’re just a bunch of idiots with nothing better to do than post on a blog. That’s far from the standard they should be measured against.
    The question isn’t whether they know more than us nobodies, it’s a question of whether they know ENOUGH. As in enough to keep the team we all love competitive and successful, both now AND ten years from now.
    I think it’s fair to say the jury is still out. However, if it is shown, likely after this season, that they don’t know enough to do what’s expected, it will be time to find someone that knows more than them.

  92. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Oct 29, 2009 7:15 PM

    Chickenfoot says:
    October 27, 2009 3:41 PM
    You’ve been called an idiot more times than I care to research. You’d think you’d either change your ways or just go away, but you obviously have no shame, so, here you are.
    I’m not going back through the archives to prove something we both know has happened.
    You aren’t that important to me to waste the time and effort. You’re just a sad little man, that thinks he’s right about everything and will argue to death inane points.
    ————————–
    Yes, I have been called an idiot more times than I can remember. And it’s always been you doing the calling, you purple-lensed idiot.
    It’s almost like someone predicted you wouldn’t show proof. Hmmm.. Oh yeah, I said you wouldn’t. I said you were all talk. I guess I was right.
    ————————–
    Chickenfoot says:
    October 27, 2009 3:41 PM
    No idiot, but DEPTH at WR, sure is a concern!!
    Rice is out performing Jennings by leaps and bounds you idiot. I”ll take Harvin any day of the week over any of the 3 healthy guys on that roster.
    ————————–
    Favre ALWAYS makes his WRs look better than they are. Watch what happens this season. Rice will put up 1100-1200 yards, maybe 10-12 TDs and demand a new contract. The Vikings will gladly pay him and when Favre re-retires at the end of the season, Rice’s performance will disappear like Muhsin Muhammad’s numbers when he signed the big contract in Chicago. I’m not worried (long-term) about Rice.
    As for Harvin, if you’re willing to take him over all three of the Packers WRs then I know you’re an idiot.
    ————————–
    Chickenfoot says:
    October 27, 2009 3:41 PM
    You tend to get into arguments with people that know what they are talking about, whereas, you have no clue.
    —————————
    Hahahaha. I thought you were talking about yourself until I saw “people that know what they are talking about”.

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