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Kokinis fiasco further diminishes Mangini

Though he’s trying his best to remain resolute in the face of the firing of G.M. George Kokinis, the departure of the man coach Eric Mangini hand picked for the job has done nothing to improve the perception of Mangini in team or league circles.

Players outwardly are unfazed by the move, per Marla Ridenour of the Akron Beacon Journal.  But the general consensus is that Mangini sacrificed a close friend in order to save himself.

And as friends two men don’t get a whole lot closer.  As Ridenour points out, Mangini’s wrestling coach in high school was Kokinis’ father.  Mangini and Kokinis were roommates in 1994, when they both were low-level slappies with the Browns.  And Kokinis served on the board of directors for Mangini’s foundation.

So the perception is that, if Mangini will throw Kokinis under the bus, then anyone is fair game.  And the apparent reality that Kokinis and Mangini couldn’t coexist once they had landed in the top two roles with an NFL team strongly suggests that Mangini will be able to coexist with no one professionally.

Thus, once a new G.M. is hired by the Browns, the first order of business will be for the new General Manager will be to do to Mangini what Mangini did to his good friend.

Once Mangini is gone, it remains to be seen what will happen next.  This year, there won’t be another NFL team that comes calling, and he’ll have to rely on whatever remaining friendships he hasn’t fractured in the hopes of landing a position as an assistant coach.

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  1. Furrski says: Nov 4, 2009 8:55 AM

    And now Randy Lerner is having conferences with two fans, and is ‘pissed off’ at the state of the team. Lerner doesn’t know jack about football, and Mangini blew him away in his interview, so he was given total control.
    Just sayin, if I was a multi-billionaire, and owned a soccer team, which I know nothing about, I would confide myself with multiple, highly experienced personnel, and get out of the way.
    Randy, you cannot fix this by yourself. If we dont improve, cut Mangini, and hire EXPERIENCED FOOTBALL PROFESSIONALS. Quit holding meetings with stupid fans. And Bernie Kosar is a GREAT guy, but if he is our next GM, Lerner has not learned anything from this mistake.

  2. pats suck, blow and cheat* says: Nov 4, 2009 8:56 AM

    What else would you expect of Mangini? He comes from the cesspool in New England, where the coach illegally videotapes defensive signals, and sleeps with the wives of other men, the right tackle snitches on his drug dealing buddies to save his own ass, the QB has been linked to Barry Bonds’ trainer (Quick – how does a 6th rd pick morph into a franchise QB? PEDs + knowing what the defense will do), the nose tackle deliberately tires to injure other players. Mangini is doing exactly what one would expect of anyone with NE roots.

  3. Devils Advocate says: Nov 4, 2009 8:58 AM

    “Mangini sacrificed a close friend in order to save himself”
    you know I have been taking a lot of “crap” from some of you guys because I think Man-GINA is a RAT.
    now again he has behaved like a RAT.
    this leopard is not going to change his spots. mark my words when he is done in Cleveland he will be toast in the NFL

  4. faulkn22 says: Nov 4, 2009 8:58 AM

    Mangini, that’s just cold dude. You should have just fallen on the sword and saved your friendship, because anyone with half a brain knows that your ass is gone soon and those friends were the only thing you’d have left… What a piece of….

  5. MN Boise Fan says: Nov 4, 2009 9:00 AM

    Sounds to me he’ll be coaching (and probably coaching badly) at a D-III college someplace….

  6. bearsrule says: Nov 4, 2009 9:01 AM

    It’seems telling that of all Bilichek’s assistants who have left, Mangini is the one who left on bad terms. It looks like he is a backstabbing lowlife who also is not a very good football coach. The product he put on the field in Chicago was a disgrace.

  7. Stoney18 says: Nov 4, 2009 9:01 AM

    Anyone should have realized this selfish loser would do anything once he dropped a dime on the Patriots … and you know he was involved! His personal record with the Jets … and his “rule” of the Browns show his true colors. Too bad he didn’t stay with NE and remain a good defensive coordinator …. doing his job and keeping his mouth shut. I’d be surprised that anyone in the NFL coaching fraternity would trust this guy from here on out. Actually, blowing the whistle on his former mentor and employer should have been enough of a clue at the outset.

  8. rodstiffington says: Nov 4, 2009 9:02 AM

    I hope Mangini knows his way around the Cleveland area, it can be confusing as hell when you gotta drop that pizza off in a half hour or its free.

  9. TylerDurden says: Nov 4, 2009 9:03 AM

    What? There’s more dysfunction in Cleveland than in Oakland? Al Davis will not stand for this. Somebody dust of the overhead projector…

  10. TheDPR says: Nov 4, 2009 9:03 AM

    Fredo has done nothing to merit being a head coach in the NFL.
    Nothing.

  11. ras says: Nov 4, 2009 9:04 AM

    Mangini has burned a lot of bridges. He burned the guy who gave him his start (Belichick) and now his ‘close’ friend. He has failed as a HC twice now. It appears the players despise him.
    I think he will be in college in no time, some low-level D1 school that wants to make a splash.

  12. I♥Patriots says: Nov 4, 2009 9:04 AM

    Didn’t we already know that Mangina was a selfish backstabber?

  13. tv says: Nov 4, 2009 9:12 AM

    How can this happen to someone the media proclaimed Man-Genius??
    Just goes to show how the media in this country has watered down the meaning any and all words that relate to being something other than average.

  14. Bandgeek says: Nov 4, 2009 9:12 AM

    he’ll have to rely on whatever remaining friendships he hasn’t fractured in the hopes of landing a position as an assistant coach.
    Not really. The guy has a contract worth more than most of us will make in our lifetimes.
    He can take a buyout and go be a college head coach, or he can just sit back and collect the whole thing.

  15. Thunderlipps says: Nov 4, 2009 9:13 AM

    “So the perception is that, if Mangini will throw Kokinis under the bus, then anyone is fair game.”
    Florio, how can you even write this masterful piece of journalism, when you HAVE NO IDEA what the “with cause” of kokinuts firing was????
    Does anyone even know what kokinis did day to day? There had to be something he did, for a team to fire him, knowing that their will be a grievance filed.
    Everything in this tabloid piece beyond “Kokinis fiasco further diminishes Mangini” is nothing but speculation based on what YOU are guessing happened.
    wait for the dust to settle, and the truth to come out, before you pull out your tarot cards, and write the future career path of Mangini.

  16. patsfanlisa says: Nov 4, 2009 9:14 AM

    Mangini has committed NFL suicide. There isn’t a team in the league that would trust him.
    “pats suck, blow and cheat* says:
    November 4, 2009 8:56 AM
    What else would you expect of Mangini? He comes from the cesspool in New England, where the coach illegally videotapes defensive signals, and sleeps with the wives of other men, the right tackle snitches on his drug dealing buddies to save his own ass, the QB has been linked to Barry Bonds’ trainer (Quick – how does a 6th rd pick morph into a franchise QB? PEDs + knowing what the defense will do), the nose tackle deliberately tires to injure other players. Mangini is doing exactly what one would expect of anyone with NE roots.”
    You really ought to take the needle out of your arm, dude. Are you actually accusing Brady of using drugs? Are you so blindly jealous that you can’t accept that he is actually one of the great QBs in the history of the league? BTW, whose your team? Which loser franchise do you root for? You should have your hatred checked out…not good for your health

  17. PatsBackAgain2 says: Nov 4, 2009 9:14 AM

    I think anyone who talks negatively about the Patriots – homer aside – is a total fraud.
    They are by far the most professional organization – maybe in all of sports – and players FLOCK to play for them. Some, come back for LESS to play for them. And brands FLOCK to advertise with them. Why is that?
    Magina was a horrible DC in N.E. He lied to coach BB (by leaving after 1 year), he sucked in NY and now in Cleveland. In the end, Eric will be out of the NFL: no one will want him for a very long time.
    He is a liar, disingenious and has no sense of who he is. He is the type of fat kid that got picked on all his life — until now as he has some power …and clearly does not know how to use.
    All I can say about the haters is we have 3 second round picks next year – and 2 one’s in 2011. Keep hating, we will keep winning.
    And we will contend this year for TITLE # 4.
    Chumps…
    PS. Anyone that makes fun of Florio is also a fraud. All do respect, guy is a funny MOFO. And I haven’t seen a better sports writer, have u?

  18. YOU'VE_BEEN_MOSSED says: Nov 4, 2009 9:17 AM

    pats suck, blow & cheat* haha blow me. That cesspool in New England is the best organization this sport has. But thanks for being ignorant.
    McDaniels came from there and he is doing just fince buddy, so the Falcons GM. But once again just pull the jealousy cap over your eyes and speak about things you have no clue about.
    For real though, what team do you root for? My guess is that your team has a real shitty QB based on your hate for the best in the business buddy.

  19. SmackMyVickUp says: Nov 4, 2009 9:26 AM

    If Lerner is sitting down and talking with fans as ESPN mentioned Mangini has to be in the top 3 of complaints.
    Can’t imagine Kok would have that job without Mangini, he just lost it due to Mangini too. Kok can at least claim he was thrown under the bus and have a shot at employment elsewhere. Probably at a lower position, but still has a chance to work in the NFL.
    Manigini is pretty much screwed.

  20. HarrisonHits says: Nov 4, 2009 9:42 AM

    ” he’ll have to rely on whatever remaining friendships he hasn’t fractured in the hopes of landing a position as an assistant coach”
    I think Kokonis was the last one.

  21. Patsfan1776 says: Nov 4, 2009 9:47 AM

    Do some investigative reporting Florio. The initial reports were that Lerner had a special consultant reviewing things. Then O’Brien got wacked, followed by Kokinis. Who is the special consultant and what is their mission? Is it the next GM?
    When Kokinis was “escorted” out of the building, did a passerby remark, “Look at that, somebody threw out a perfectly good white boy.”?

  22. phins says: Nov 4, 2009 10:09 AM

    When you trade a pro bowl WR to the Jets in exchange for a bologne sandwich, that is usually a good sign that you dont know how to run a football team. That’s when I knew Mangini would fail.

  23. Kage10 says: Nov 4, 2009 10:26 AM

    Hey MNBoiseFan, don’t insult DivIII colleges like that. DIII Schools have class and wouldn’t hire a punk like Mangini. I can’t wait until Mangini is gone from the Browns…

  24. Man Up says: Nov 4, 2009 10:31 AM

    Florio, yesterday you said they were butting heads all the time and now you say they were good friends. Make up you mind already.

  25. FireJerryJones says: Nov 4, 2009 11:10 AM

    Brady on ‘roids.
    That’s funny.
    The guy is the slowest QB around. Not so sure his arm’s that great either.
    Can’t see how Bonds’ trainer can help him with his 6 yard dump offs to Welker and Faulk.

  26. todrab says: Nov 4, 2009 11:19 AM

    Hey Florio, I am sure someone has mentioned this, but could the Cleveland Parcells be Marty Schottenheimer? Granted, he might be a better coach than GM, but I believe he would be adept at either role.

  27. Rasputin says: Nov 4, 2009 11:22 AM

    Eric the Rat did more than burn Belichick in New England. He burned Bob Kraft by unleashing the whole spygate fiasco because he was trying to save his job (huh … sounds familiar, don’t it). Other than his family, I doubt there are few things Kraft loves more than his football team – and Mangina brought disgrace to it. Kraft comes across as real soft-spoken, but he’s not someone I’d want to be on the wrong side of.
    If Lerner has grown a half-dozen brain cells in the last week he should ditch Il Douce and Dumboll now, promote Seely for the rest of the season, and start looking for a new staff ASAP. Or let the new GM/Football Czar start doing that.
    Odds are the Browns get demolished by the Ravens after the bye. But if Ratboy loses to the Lions the week after he best watch out for the locals brandishing pitchforks and torches. An interim coach would likely be given more of a chance, and the team might actually play better for someone they don’t despise.

  28. doriangray says: Nov 4, 2009 12:14 PM

    The bottom line is Mangini was never ever head coach material. The Browns would have been better of hiring Belichick’s friend John Bon Jovi as head coach. I guarantee the results would have been better. Mangini is a classic example of the Peter Principle. He was still in the trainee phase when he jumped ship for New York and had a lucky roll for a short time. Belichick did a friend a favor and it backfired on him. Mangini was trying to hire away some of Belichicks staff as soon he got the job. He was aggressively pitching people on the plane ride home from Denver, after the Patriots playoff loss.

  29. sripan says: Nov 4, 2009 12:43 PM

    kokinis lost his job because he cun’t manage anything ,even players when asked about firing like joe thomas told they hardly ever knew him coz e wasn’t around mostly and when he was he was very quiet .
    atleast mangini is collecting paycheck but also taking the rap for poor performance ,what was kokinis doing ,just collecting a paycheck ??
    and florio please leave the hate for browns and coming with negative articles all the time …..

  30. daffy87 says: Nov 4, 2009 1:02 PM

    We dont know what goes on behind closed doors. Someone was going to be made the scape goat for the 1-7 start. Randy Lerner had to choose which guy to fire because they weren’t co-existing well. Do you fire the guy you hired personally or do you fire the guy who your guy hired? It makes sense that you would keep your pick as coach and fire his pick as GM. It’s easy to smash Mangini for Kokinis getting fired. But would the media be smashing Kokinis if Mangini had been fired because they were such close friends??? I very seriously doubt it.

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