"The knee is going good, rehab is going good," Green said, per Ian Rapoport of the Boston Herald. "Taking it one day at a time, feeling good. [Surgery] had to be done. I've been playing with it for about four weeks, the injury, and it was getting worse and worse. It was time."
This admission suggests that Green had a knee injury during the team's four prior games. Since the Pats had a Week Eight bye, the four prior games would have been played in Week Four, Week Five, Week Six, and Week Seven.
And, naturally, Green's name didn't appear on the Week Four injury report. Or Week Five.
In Week Six, Green was listed as participating in practice on a limited basis on Wednesday through Friday, and he was officially "probable" for the game.
But even though Green said the injury was getting "worse and worse," his status on Week Seven indicates that it was getting better.
Green was listed as fully participating in practice on Wednesday and Thursday of that week, and then he was removed from the injury report for Friday. He was not given any of the various pregame designations, which means that he was 100 percent.
We expect that Green and/or the Patriots will say that Green was misquoted or that he misspoke or that it was otherwise an accident or a mistake. And the league likely won't do anything about what appears to be, based on Green's statements, a partial effort by the Pats to keep the injury under wraps.
And, eventually, we'll grow numb to and/or bored with the notion that teams apparently cheat on the injury report.
But we're not there yet.
You do know Green is a DL and not a LB right? C'mon, get the facts right before speculating on conspiracy theories.
face it, only the j-e-t-s were, and will, get stuck with the bill on this issue. unless goodell, for some crazy non-reason, wakes up one morning and decides to uniformly fine the other 31 organizations the exact amount he lobbed over at the other residents of Giants Stadium. fair is fair in this NFL
Where is the fire - he played in ALL OF THE GAMES!
Everyone has injuries, they could list every single player every week. If they knew he was going to play he was listed correctly. If he didn't play those games then there would be an issue.
Ugghhh.....
Once again Florio the fag is trying to stir up a non story about the pats. How original.
Oh, so Miami isn't the only team that "hides" injuries Florio? Finally we can put that to rest. I got tired of hearing that week after week.
Patriots get away with it because...
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Wait for it...
They are the Patriots
God ... Floria, give it up ... the League doesn't care about the injury report. They don't give a rat's ass about player injuries, if you really press them on it ... an injured player isn't on the field and not marketable or delivering highlights.
Do you think the Patriots are "in hot water" (or might become so) over Jarvis Green's comments?
C'mon ... he could come out and say "I have been injured for 2 months; the team told me to keep quiet about it, and to just play on the bum leg." And guess what would happen??
NOTHING.
Here we go, trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.....
By saying that he probably meant it hurt...you know a pain like ALL players get & it got worse yet felt good at times until he finally thought it was time to get it thouroughly checked out & found it needed MINOR cleaning up.....tell me Florio, if players are suppose to be listed for every pain then all 53 would probably be on the report for one reason or another.....is THAT what we want to see???
Players want to play & odds are he just delt with the pain & hoped it would go away then it got worse so he had it totally checked out & minor surgery was decided upon by the team so he'd be healthy 100%...it's not like the Patriots are weak or lacking in that area, actually they have tons of depth there......
Again, it's patriot related so you knew you'd get the hits you're looking for....PUTZ!!!!
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An injoury isn't an injury until you can't practice. There's always been a difference between being hurt and being injured. This isn't paddycake.
OMG THE PATS ARE CHEATING!
Haha, just kidding though, at least this time. Florio you have an unhealthy obsession with injury reports.
Any player with any sense of pride, in any physically draining sport, will never immediately admit to injury or weakness. Your right teams hide injuries, but I seriously doubt that is what was meant by Greens comments.
GET OVER IT!!! FLORIO... sh*t! its not for sure and even if it was its not like the pats are the only team ever to do it. this f*ckin sh*t is getting old. same w/ porter poppin off on "spygate" f*ck him. how is that the dolphins came out zach thomas i believe and said they were recording brady's cadence and no one says sh*t. pats play hard, dont give up, dont talk sh*t, and win. its all jealousy. F*CK ALL THE PATRIOT HATERS!
oh btw jarvis isnt a linebacker hes a DL and F*CK FLORIO is all this for hits for your site???
WHO CARES?
That's because you only appear on the injury report if you have phantom injuries... Like, ohh... Lets say a shoulder injury. For the past 17 years!
When you're really injured when you wear a Patriots uniform, you do not appear on the injury list. There is something about being an exception to the rules with the Patriots.
Haven't the Patriots had a few rules made in the middle of a game because of them?
We get it. The Patriots are the worst organization ever t0 exist in the history of the universe. Worse than any hate group. They even abuse puppies.
Now, can you actually post something worth mentioning?
With all this special treatment talk going around about Tom Brady and the patriots. This is the NFL's perfect opportunity to nip that in the butt. Brett Farve said basically the same thing and got the Jets huge fines so the patriots should get the same ones. They actually should get fined more because the commish has them basically on probation because of the spygate thing also every team was warned after the Brett Farve thing that hiding injuries would get those teams fined. If they are not fined then how can the nfl say they dont give the pats special treatment. This is a slippery situation for the commish he better handle it correctly.
"We expect that Green and/or the Patriots will say that Green was misquoted or that he misspoke or that it was otherwise an accident or a mistake. And the league likely won't do anything about what appears to be, based on Green's statements, a partial effort by the Pats to keep the injury under wraps."
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ReallY? You dont say?
You expect the Patriots to say he was misquoted? DUH!!!!
Belicheat didnt cheat, he just misinterpeted the rules. Thats their modus operandi.
And of course the league wont do anything, just like they didnt do anything about the Patriots cheating until it became so big a public relations nightmare for Goodell that he had to do something. Goodell tried his best to sweep everything under the rug(and suceeded cause more evidence of cheating is being hid)
Patriots cheating? Who would believe that?
Why should anything change now? Belicheat is a dooshbag, and refuses to play by the rules. This is why the Steelers will be the Team of the Decade when all is said and done.
These guys cheat a lot. A lot!
I'm there, Florio. Actually, I've passed there a while ago when you were crying, finger-pointing, and then blaming Farve while with the Jets. Then you cried and whined that he wouldn't stop talking about it even though the whole time he was answering the media's questions about said subject matter. Who really expects teams to give other teams an advantage to expose a weakness? Quite simply, if betting were illegal it would be irrelevent. But, alas, cry on, Florio. Cry on.
If he was participating fully in practice, then they did nothing wrong. Ever stop and think that maybe the player, who by the way, is in a CONTRACT YEAR, didn't say anything until he reached a breaking point?
The injury report was created to avoid inside information trading with gamblers. Nothing else. If he participated fully in practice and there is no reason to doubt he won't play, they take him off. When, as you say, they specifically list him as being limited in practice and list him as probable, they are doing their job.
Stop reaching.
Nobody cares.
Mike Florio smells like poo poo.
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On the flip side, Jarvis may be a little off on the timeline, he did say "about". And maybe it would start to feel better over the week with treatment and non-contact practices. And after the intensity of the game get worse.
Over the last couple of games the Patriots were listing guys with "known" injuries (Welker, Mayo)
and then removing them completely on Friday. Then they were back the next week and gone by Friday. It goes with Belichick's general theme when talking about injuries and how players feel during the week.
The Giants did not list Manning with his chronic condition last week.
What is the injury report supposed to be? What shoulder injury has Brady had? Is a sore shoulder really an injury? Is there a line somewhere between aches/pains and something that is beyond that?
I'm not a Pats fan, but they're not the only ones who fudge the injury report. Sqeaky-clean Indy reported Anthony Gonzalez was close to returning last week and he has knee surgery this week. You can't tell me they were thinking he was going to play last Sunday. It's just part of the mind games teams play with each other.
This is such a tired subject, considering Green started all the games, was on the injury report at one point. Ever think that maybe he actually fully participated in practice. Maybe it flared up on him after the Bucs game. Do you think the pats were hiding this injury but decided he must play against the titans and bucs, but found it ok for him to miss the colts and saints games. Sometimes you grasp at straws. I like PFT but sometimes it gets a little obsurd, like the rumor you heard/ made up that their might be a post season source. Does nbc even care
if you really have a
source.
Seriously Mike, no one in the world needs an enema as much as you do.
Gee Mike,
Wow, what explosive, hard-hitting investigative reporting! A genius you are!
Its just soooooo hard to believe that The Hoodie would not be forthcoming on injury reports. ;-)
Maybe you should do a story on how The Hoodie's silouette looks a lot like the Sith Lord in Star Wars.... any connection there, Mike? There are always two. A Master and an Apprentice. Hmmmm.
Oh, he was injured? And they listed him as probable for the games? Those cheating Patriots? How could they list a guy as probable when he was injured? Who were they trying to fool.
Forget the fact that he actually played in the games, if you're injured you're not probable.
And don't talk to me about logic. Cheating on the injury report gives you a big advantage in games. I'd rather have a good injury report liar on my payroll than a QB like Montana. Cheating on the injury report gives you slightly more advantage than filming defensive signals.
Of course. They don't have to play by the rules. Typical.
I don't know that I've ever cared less about anything.
Cheaters cheat.
Maybe he actually meant FOUR WEEKS and not FOUR GAMES. If you go back four weeks and you include the bye, instead of trying to manipulate his words, that means the first game he was injured would be week 5. Kinda hard to put something on the injury report if it happens in that game. Then he was on the report for week 6, then on the report again for week 7 possibly because it looked like it started getting better but then he aggravated it in that game. Stop reaching here Florio.
Florio, you're an idiot.
You are listed if there is a chance you will not play.
Green was 100% that he was playing those games and therefore not listed. Maybe, he hid the severity of the injury from coaches, that's his choice.
He is also a Defensive End, not a Linebacker.
In the meantime, how's that Moss to Vikings move working out?
You are probably the only reason that i'd support Channing Crowder in a fight.
Patriots are low life cheaters.. They always have been.
They stole super bowls through cheating. The coach is a strange man.. Reminds me of the guy in Psycho Norman Bates. I have no respect for this team and enjoy when they lose .
There is, of course, another possible explanation: incompetant medical staff and/or lack of communication between them and the person (coach?) who makes out the report. The last thing most players want to do is report an injury to the people deciding who gets to play.
Do you want a novel idea that might also go a long way toward addressing the growing concern over concussions and other injuries? How about you have a league-provided medical staff in each locker room. Then, every player would need to be cleared by them before every practice and game. That league-appointed staff would then be required to report status to the league. They wouldn't have a vested team interest in getting the player out on the field before they are really ready, and teams wouldn't have to worry about getting nailed for false reporting or playing injured players.
Of course, all of this assumes medicine is an exact science, which it is not.
katmandu: "This is why the Steelers will be the Team of the Decade when all is said and done."
Yeah, the Steelers are squeaky clean ........ sure. Must be nice living in a fantasy world.
Florio,
You ought to do a count of the number of references to cheating you get in the comments every time you post something about the Patriots (whether it's about an injury report, or a player of the weak award). I bet it's pretty high.
Also, I wonder if there is any way to go back and determine how long it took for people to let go of the 49ers salary cap shenanigans, or the Cowboys steroid practices that gave those dynasties the edge against everyone for some time. I bet it didn't take more than a year for people to get over it and move on with those cheating scandals. Funny thing is that both of those clearly influenced the game in a way that video taping never could do. Yet, there is no asterisk next to those dynasties. I guess if we did that, Americans would have to start recognizing the greatest team ever: the Steelers!
Belicheat views injury reporting and covert filming with the same cost/benefit lens as his trading of players.
The lack of a moral center serves him well.
His defensive players often suffer mysterious injuries on the field and then are fine two plays later if it serves to slow down a no-huddle offense.
They are the annointed ones. They can do as they please. They have the world's most popular QB, the best coach, the richest owner and the most beautiful and palacious complex.
Get over it, people. Stop the rampant jealousy of their success. Face it, they are just better than you, your fans and your team.
And they aren't done collecting trophies.
Flouride, don't you even read the comments anymore, or did you give that up when you sold your soul to NBC? When you keep harping on the injury report its like you are reverting back to your old profession. If you can't give up on the injury report crap then give up on the blog and go back to practicing law.
Might be hard for you to take but readers just want to know what's new,.. your lawyer's opinion, not so much.
It will be interesting to see if you can actually drop your ESPN-slander-like litigious pet peeve with the injury report. Talk about biting the hand that feeds, sheeze.
I'm surprised that you actually thought that anyone was ever honest on their injury reports ? I think the whole thing is lame, like it really matters if other Teams know who's hurt or not unless it's the QB. It's not like you would change your entire scheme if Linebacker "B" is playing vs Linebacker "A".
The Pats are a joke.
You mean....YOUR not there yet, because yes, everyone else and every other decent journalist is....
You honestly are such a moron Florio that I don't know how you have this job.
Every NFL football player this time of year has injuries. Teams have to list players on the injury report if they miss portions of practice. Green never missed practice. If there has been a knock on the Patriots over the years it has been that they put TOO many people on the injury report.
Green's comments are not going to get the Patriots in hot water. NOBODY in the league office, or any other office faround the country for that matter.....cares about this or would put an ounce of effort into writing about it. I feel like it is 5 minutes I will never get back myself.
The only people that would care are the countless Pats haters out there that are sick of them beating up on each of there teams.....count yourself as one of them. I'm not even a Pats fan and I wish they would put all of you idiots on an Island. They are the best run organization in pro sports. Get over it.
Given that Green made every practice and played in every game, what exactly is the issue here?
The injury report is a vehicle used to communicate injuries that may effect a players' availability status on sunday inherent to his health and availability during the prior week's practice schedule. The intent being to allow teams to reasonably strategize and practice for the upcoming opponents and produce a competitive game. It is not intended to list any and all potential bruises, bruised up players, or potential injuries that are not effecting a players status. That would include the "shoulder injury" that had Brady listed on the report for multiple years and why it was considered a tongue in cheek poke at the NFL.
More fundamental to the issue raised in this "story" is the fact that the NFL has been inconsistent in its handling of the injury report and in communicating guidance surrounding the injury report.
The competition committee really ought to do away with the injury report altogether as it has more to do with setting odds and little to do with competitive fairness in todays NFL.
Floria, why not sit down and scribe a legitimate story that challenges the NFL in that regard rather than write garbage like this simply to stir up BS? I realize that would take more work but it would also raise your credibility.
I wonder what kind of life you haters have if your that bothered that a patriots player who was listed on the injury report as probable and played in all the games. Could someone explain the advantage in that, or are most nfl fans retarded and have the logic of a second grader. Im willing to bet patriot fans have the highest percentage of college grads. Because no one else makes sense and florio is begiNning. To jump the shark
Morons.....did it limit his participation in practice? NO......did he not practice? NO.....those are the "categories" now for injury reporting.. If aplayer does not appear on the reports.....and plays.....there was no reason for him to apear on the reports. Is this so hard to understand?
Lawrence Maroney has a hangnail.....it hurts alot.......but he is practicing and plays on Sunday. Are you telling me there is an issue? Wake the hell up and stop the Patriot hating.
The purpose of the injury report is to allow the weeks opposing team to have an idea of who is going to play and who is not going to play that week.
In the case of Green, he was not listed on the injury report for the majority of the time in question because his playing status for the same majority of time was never in question.
Does everyone understand? All right then children, you may grab your blankets and head off to nap time.
Except you, Mr. Florio. You may grab the dunce cap and have a seat in the corner.
I remember when real men went out there and left it all on the field.
Now we get these candy ass comments about who said what, when... Just play the damn game and stop with the drama.
He's out. Do they have a DLineman who can replace him? Dolphins are coming. I hear they run the ball. Seems like that'll be the story.
Florio auditions for TMZ continue.
Ugghhh.....
Once again Florio the fag is trying to stir up a non story about the pats. How original.
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Larry Johnson..is that you?!
geek: Good idea. You could take it one step further. Create a standard form with body parts and ailments that each team must give to each player on the active roster. Have them fill out the injuries and have the team provide practice participation and the probable/questionable/doubtful/out designation.
He said it had been getting worse, but there are some things that he did not say, which would matter here. He didn't say how much it was bothering him. He didn't say early on whether it was bothering him more than the typical bumps and bruises all players have mid season. He didn't say whether or not he reported to the team that it was bothering him, or that it felt like it might be affecting his play.
All players have aches, and they take the typical treatments for it, ice baths, whirlpool etc. These do not require reporting. Unless he specifically reported this to the trainer, and they were taking action on it, and knew it was something out of the ordinary bumps and bruises, it would not have required reporting.
Mike, maybe you should add an injury report watch similar to the turd watch. Lets keep track of how often and when each team is busted for messing with the injury report.
As much as the Pats haters make this out as if its something only the Pats do and oh how horrible they are for doing it, lets see how it all adds up across the league. This is one of your pet peeves after all so I challenge you to track this the right way.
My guess is that you will see virtually every team caught doing this at least once a year and probably multiple times a year. You're supposed to be a member of the real press now. Are you going to act like espn and just take guesses and make stuff up, or are you going to gather the actual facts and statistics to see what is really going on ?
So the Patriots led teams to believe that Green would play... only to... Have him play?
I can see why the NFL would be upset about this given their association with the Mafia to ensure that the Las Vegas line is correct
But the common fan? They said he would play, he played. Where's the problem?
Looks like we've got a lot of mafia members in the above posts
Cheaters will always be cheaters.
Stay classy Patriots***
Teams people hate: Dallas Cowboys (Great team, 90's dynasty, whooped up on alot of teams asses), Oakland Raiders (Great team, debatable late 70's/early 80's dynasty, whooped up on alot of teams), Pittsburgh Steelers (Great team, 70's dynasty/possible team of the decade with SB win this year, whooped up on alot of teams) New York Yankees (Great team, 27 World Series Wins, whooped up on alot of teams) LA Lakers (Great team, 80's, late 90's dynasty, whooped up on alot of teams), New England Patriots (Great team, team of the decade 2000's, whooped up on alot of teams).
Conclusion: People hate winners, and blow things winners do out of proportion. How many NBA players are most likely accused of rape? How many get the kind of media coverage Kobe Bryant did? How many MLB teams make alot of money and hoard it? How many are willing to put the money they make back into the team to ensure a competitive product? (Besides the Yankees, the Red Sox and maybe the Angels). How many NFL teams did steroids in the 70's? Most likely all. How many were accused to it influencing thier winning? The Steelers. How many teams have misinterprited rules? Plenty: The 49ers owner was stripped of his team for improper practices. The Broncos won 2 Super Bowls with "creative" salary cap numbers. Jimmy Johnson learned recording defensive signals from Marty Schottenheimer (who else worked for Marty? Herm Edwards, Bill Cowher, Tony Dungy. You honestly think he would just teach Jimmy Johnson that and no one else on his staff?)
Winners have been around forever. People crying about those winners has ALSO been around forever. I love the fact that so many people hate my beloved Patriots...it means we are one of the very best teams of all time. Success breeds contempt. I hope we are hated for a very long time.
It's obvious from the both the article as well as many of the comments that neither PFT nor half the people who take the time to comment have any idea what the NFL rules are regarding injury reports.
Starting October 16th, Green was listed on the injury report after missing all or part of some practices; he was expected to play, and he did. Prior to that he did not miss any practice time, and he played the full game.
Bottom line is that New England did exactly what the NFL instructs teams to do in regards to Green and the injury report, both before he was listed, and after he was first listed.
The only thing this story proves is this: if you write a column implying the Patriots of cheating, you're sure to get lots of web hits, and lots of people that will buy it, hook, line, and sinker.
To Hugh....
Sour grapes bro....sour grapes.
The Patriots will keep winning and giving you nightmares. You only wish that your team was as good as screwing the system as the Pats.
Just win baby!!!!!!! And f all of you!!!!!":)
You're wrong blackglass, I never hated the Patriots*** until they were proven cheaters.
But keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.
BB considers that info. competitive advantage....
He is a kermugeon about injuries, the report and the fact that spending time with the media in no way improves the Patriots! So, why the surprise?
Anything for a post, huh Florio?
So every player who has an injury should be listed Florio? Would that include aches and pains, bumps and bruises? Even if thet practice and play?
BTW I'm still waiting, Florio, for the follow-up to the "Randy Moss is dogging it so that he can be reunited with Brett Favre" piece that you wrote. The National Enquirer could use your skills. You should apologize to football fans for stuff like this.
Kiss Bills Rings says:
November 7, 2009 12:44 AM
Here we go, trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.....
By saying that he probably meant it hurt...you know a pain like ALL players get & it got worse yet felt good at times until he finally thought it was time to get it thouroughly checked out & found it needed MINOR cleaning up.....tell me Florio, if players are suppose to be listed for every pain then all 53 would probably be on the report for one reason or another.....is THAT what we want to see???
Players want to play & odds are he just delt with the pain & hoped it would go away then it got worse so he had it totally checked out & minor surgery was decided upon by the team so he'd be healthy 100%...it's not like the Patriots are weak or lacking in that area, actually they have tons of depth there......
Again, it's patriot related so you knew you'd get the hits you're looking for....PUTZ!!!!
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Mountain out of a molehill? Sounds like the typical Saturday night pickup lines of a Boston fag like you trying to get some manass. Too bad that once you drop trou, the guy learns that you have a tiny dick like the rest of your gay Boston fellow Pats fans, you LITTLE PUTZ!!!!