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Week Nine Morning Aftermath: Buccaneers 38, Packers 28

After the Packers lost at home eight days ago to the gray-stubbled face of the franchise who had committed the ultimate indignity by donning a purple helmet with horns, we wondered what it would take to make the Cheeseheads put the indignity behind them.

Now we know.

Indeed, there’s nothing like a completely humiliating loss to one of the worst teams in the league to serve as the rancid sorbet for the moldy Fontinella that Favre crammed down the locals’ throats.

As the previously 0-7 Buccaneers managed to stay in the game early without generating much offense (thanks to a long interception return that created a very short field and a blocked punt that resulted in a 31-yard touchdown from Ronde Barber), it appeared that the Packers eventually would pull away.

But the most dangerous approach to playing a pathetic team is allowing said pathetic team to believe that it’s in the game beyond the first quarter or two of play. 

That’s previously what the Packers did.  With only a 21-17 lead at intermission, the Bucs were foolish enough to think that they had a chance to win.

And they were dumb enough to still believe it after a scoreless third quarter.

Even more amazingly, the Bucs thought that they could still pull it off even after the Packers pushed the score to 28-17.

Idiots.

But then it happened.  An 83-yard kick return from Clifton Smith set the table for rookie Josh Freeman to fire his second touchdown pass of the day, cutting the lead to five with more than 11 minutes to play.

So the Packers probably felt like the Vikings did a week earlier, with a game that supposedly was in the bag suddenly up for grabs.  The difference?  The Vikes held off the Pack — the Pack couldn’t hold off the Bucs.

Freeman engineered a 72-yard drive that ended with his third touchdown pass of the day, and that gave the Bucs their first lead of the afternoon

Next, the heir to Favre showed that he’s got a long way to go when it comes to working late-game magic, taking a sack to kill the first chance at a comeback and throwing a pick six to ice it.

Speaking of six, the Bucs managed that many sacks.  As Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel points out, Baby Swiss has given up 37 of them in eight games, putting the Packers on pace to allow (excuse me while I whip this . . . calculator . . . out) 74 for the season.

“Well, it has to stop,” coach Mike McCarthy said after the game.  “You can’t sit here
and keep taking sacks.  I’m sure you’re tired of asking the question,
and I’m tired of talking about it.”

How tired is he of it?  Already there are rumblings that offensive line coach James Campen could be fired soon, ten months after a January purge of most of the defensive coaching staff.

But dumping Campen could be too close to McCarthy for comfort, since McCarthy is supposedly an offensive genius.  Indeed, dumping Campen could be a rest stop on the road to McCarthy being asked to hit the road.

Possibly with G.M. Ted Thompson taking a hike, too.

There’s still plenty of football left to be played, and the Packers in theory could turn it around.  But, let’s face it, they lost to the Bucs.  What will they do against the Cowboys or the Ravens or the Steelers or the Cardinals?

The good news?  Maybe the early Thanksgiving Day game between the Packers and the Lions won’t be a tryptophan-fueled snooze fest after all.

For the Bucs, it’s not time to start plotting out the possible postseason tiebreakers.  But at least it will quiet talk of coach Raheem Morris being one-and-done in his first head-coaching gig.

And the talk clearly was out there.  Tight end Kellen Winslow indirectly acknowledged it after the game.

“We just wanted to win for these players and these coaches,” Winslow said after the game, via JoeBucsFan.com.  “Especially
for Rah.  We know he’s under a lot of pressure.  We’re not letting him go
nowhere
.”  (Cue the commenters who’ll explain that this technically means that the team plans to let the coach go somewhere.)

Meanwhile, “Rah” gushed about Freeman, who got his first career win in his first career start.

“That’s why we brought him here to lead this franchise,” Morris said, per the Tampa Tribune.  “It reminded me of his first college
start.”

That’s fine.   But why didn’t Freeman get the nod sooner?  Though the Bucs might not have won many of those seven games they lost, if Freeman is capable of playing every week like he played in his debut, the Bucs might not have been competing for space at the bottom of the barrel with the likes of the Browns, Rams, Lions, and Chiefs.
         

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  1. Patrian says: Nov 9, 2009 10:06 AM

    Yea, because this game was more important then a Sunday night matchup between two old time rivalries tied for first in the NFC East….
    Your a tool Florio….

  2. Hap says: Nov 9, 2009 10:08 AM

    Why didn’t he get the nod sooner ? Because his coach didn’t think he was ready, Florio. And the coach thinks he knows more than you. He’s probably right.

  3. WellDisciplinedVC says: Nov 9, 2009 10:09 AM

    I was at the game and yes…Freeman is the real deal. I know it’s only one game but,man, what an impressive debut for a rookie who alot of people doubted.

  4. MNFANINAZ says: Nov 9, 2009 10:13 AM

    What an absolute nightmare in Green Bay.
    Sincerely,
    38-26 Vikings and Viking fans taking over Lambeau last weekend. Your next Glendale.
    4
    IV
    1234
    Its the *magic* number.

  5. irishgary says: Nov 9, 2009 10:14 AM

    McCarthy has got to go and they can take the staff with them. Every week it’s the same thing and then on Monday or Tuesday we hear how thinks must get fixed, but nothing happens.
    Get rid of this guy in bring in Cowher or Holmgren. I still believe there is a lot of talent on this team. just lousy coaches who are not capable of game planning or making adjustements.
    Rodgers needs to understand he has about 4 seconds to get rid of the ball and he needs to stop taking all of the sacks. Why is he not coached to do this? Hell put Flynn in if thats what we need to do to teach him.
    Thanksgiving could be worse then this. It will be nationally televised and we have a hell of a chance of losing.

  6. Doctor Bull says: Nov 9, 2009 10:15 AM

    They might have moved to Freeman sooner if Jeff Faine hadn’t been hurt. There was no reason to risk Freeman’s health (life?) with Sean Mahan in at center while Faine was out. Now that Faine is back as the keystone in the O-line, it is much safer to have the future of the franchise taking snaps.

  7. Majik Man says: Nov 9, 2009 10:16 AM

    “Well, it has to stop,” coach Mike McCarthy said after the game. “You can’t sit here and keep taking sacks. I’m sure you’re tired of asking the question, and I’m tired of talking about it.”
    Spoken like the true wizard he is. No idea or plan on how to fix it, but maybe if he acknowledges it, it will magically disappear.
    Things are getting ugly in GB, and with the upcoming schedule, it’s only going to get worse.

  8. mooremi9 says: Nov 9, 2009 10:16 AM

    Mike McCarthy’s got to go.

  9. dasboat says: Nov 9, 2009 10:17 AM

    It wasn’t more important, but it was a better game.

  10. sand0 says: Nov 9, 2009 10:20 AM

    I do my fair share of Packer bashing on this site. But I don’t even know what to say after this. Losing to arguably the worst team in the NFL in a game they absolutely needed. It just speaks for itself.
    Things were better with Brett.
    *Cue the Packers fans defending their team’s imcompetence by bringing up past seasons that went better*

  11. Richm2256 says: Nov 9, 2009 10:21 AM

    Does ANYONE in Tampa call him “Coach Morris”?

  12. PervyHarvin says: Nov 9, 2009 10:22 AM

    Pack fans,enjoy!!
    It’s the Truth: Favre’s proving Thompson wrong
    by Jason Whitlock
    The Truth can be inconvenient, impolite and painful. The reason you read my NFL Truths column is because you realize I will address the inconvenient, impolite and painful, even when the “friendly fire” damages yours truly.
    Like most red-blooded, patriotic football fans, I participated in Brett Favre Celebration Week and built my Sunday around watching Favre’s return to Lambeau Field.
    There was wall-to-wall television, radio, blog and newspaper coverage leading up to Vikings vs. Packers. I found very little Truth in any of it.
    Sports media coverage is oftentimes too polite, afraid to deliver pain and too focused on making sure anyone of any power is happy and comfortable.
    That’s why an innocent kid like Steve Bartman can be portrayed as the dumbest fan in all of sports and/or the primary reason the Cubs didn’t reach the 2003 World Series and a buffoon like Ted Thompson can hold his head high while earning millions of dollars ruining the Green Bay Packers.
    We have nothing to lose trashing Bartman. Ted Thompson might pass us some juicy trade gossip or gas our egos with press-box chitchat.
    So last week the media performed a full rectal examination of Brett Favre’s emotions, and no one — that I saw — took a peek into the empty cranium that upon being given control of the Packers franchise in 2005 decided its first order business was to develop the Brett Favre Relocation Plan.
    Twenty-four regular-season games into Favre’s removal as Green Bay’s starting quarterback, Ted Thompson looks every bit as stupid as Peter Pocklington, the man who traded Wayne Gretzky to Los Angeles.
    The inconvenient, impolite, painful, highly entertaining and worthy-of-ample-discussion truth is Brett Favre wanted out of Green Bay because he believes Ted Thompson is a moron. Favre spent one year in New York just so he could get to Minnesota and prove that Ted Thompson is a moron.
    Halfway through the 2009 season and after two Vikings victories over the Packers, the Favre prosecution team has rested its case and anxiously awaits Thompson’s defense the second half of the season.
    As jury foreman, I’m ready to vote guilty on all charges. Short of winning the Super Bowl, there’s not a damn thing the Packers can do to mask Thompson’s incompetence.
    I’ll be asking my peers in the jury room to sentence Thompson to the unemployment line and hand Favre the league’s MVP Award.
    That’s right. Halfway through the season Favre is the clear-cut MVP. It ain’t even close. Right now Favre is sportsman of the year. That’s not hyperbole.
    If Favre’s second-half play matches what he’s delivered through eight games and the Vikings win the Super Bowl, he will have elevated himself to Babe Ruth, Muhammad Ali, Michael Jordan and Jim Brown status.
    What Favre has done so far this season is the stuff of legends. It surpasses Ruth’s “called shot” in the 1932 World Series and Joe Namath’s Super Bowl guarantee. I’d put Favre’s 2009 performance on par with the “Miracle on Ice” and Ali’s “Rumble in the Jungle” victory.
    I’m telling you, despite blanket coverage, we’ve totally missed the Favre story. We’ve failed to put this in proper context.
    Favre is doing what Michael Jordan could not.
    MJ hated Jerry Krause, the general manager of the Bulls. Jordan believed Krause was an idiot and was in too much of a hurry to break up Jordan, Jackson, Pippen and Rodman. Jordan “retired” and first tried to prove Krause’s idiocy by managing the Wizards and then tried to prove it by playing for the Wizards.
    Jordan failed. He drafted Kwame Brown No. 1 overall and put together two forgettable seasons in a Wizards uniform.
    The 40-year-old Favre, however, is having the greatest season of his 19-year career. His 106 QB rating is seven points higher than his previous best. He’s on pace to throw just six interceptions, which would be seven fewer than he’s thrown in any season as a starter.
    It’s deeper than the numbers. It’s the 32-yard, back-of-the-end-zone rope that beat the 49ers with two seconds to play. It’s the 58-yard heave to Sidney Rice that set up the game-winning field goal to beat the Ravens. It’s the seven TDs and zero interceptions in two games against the Packers.
    And it’s the passion for the game. Favre is the Magic Johnson of football. Like Magic, Favre’s personality and emotion overwhelm his teammates. You had to bust your ass and get out on the break because you knew Magic passed out candy at the offensive end like every night was Halloween.
    Guys play hard for Brett Favre. There’s something about good-old boys from the South. They’re natural leaders. Everybody loves them. Favre and Steve McNair were cut from the same cloth. They could connect with and inspire an opposite-race teammate just as effectively as a teammate who shared a similar background as theirs.
    Favre’s famous “MNF” game against the Raiders after his father died is the best testament to Favre’s intangible leadership qualities. Most of the media focus on Favre’s great stats and overlook the fact that Favre’s receivers made numerous circus catches that night. Favre’s teammates cared about him so much that they picked him up on a night when he needed a lift.
    All of this reflects poorly on Ted Thompson. Favre contended throughout his final seasons in Green Bay that he could still perform at an MVP level. He wanted better support. He wondered why Thompson’s first significant act as GM was picking Aaron Rodgers in the first round of the 2005 draft.
    Think about that. Five years ago Thompson used a critical draft pick on a player to replace the QB capable of a 106-passer rating in 2009. The Packers had their quarterback of the future — Brett Favre.
    In 2006 and 2007, the Packers led the NFL in salary-cap availability. Thompson made one significant free-agent acquisition — cornerback Charles Woodson.
    The rift between Favre and Thompson became irreparable when Thompson refused to go after Randy Moss, who shares the same agent (Bus Cook) as Favre. We can assume that Favre had inside knowledge that Moss would strongly consider signing with the Packers.
    Thompson is dedicated to building the Packers through the draft. Moss joined Tom Brady in New England. The Patriots won 18 straight games and Brady set nearly every single-season passing record with Moss at his side.
    Brady and Peyton Manning are allegedly better QBs than Favre, who has a rep for throwing huge INTs.
    Favre would contend he’s more prone to give in to his gambling nature when he feels he has to compensate for a talent deficiency. In his mind, give him Randy Moss, Adrian Peterson or Reggie White and his TD-INT ratio will be 3 to 1 and he’ll be in contention for the MVP.
    The NFL is a win-now league. When you have a chance to pair Favre with Randy Moss, you take that opportunity, win a Super Bowl or two and deal with the consequences later. Thompson chose to avoid the consequences and plan for the future.
    He tired of the Favre offseason drama, tired of catering to Favre’s ego. What an idiot. Favre was right. A year after Favre led the Pack to 13-3 and the NFC Championship Game, Green Bay finished 6-10 and out of the playoffs. This year it appears the supporting cast Thompson gave Rodgers is inadequate. The offensive line can’t protect Rodgers and the defense looks weak against top competition.
    Meanwhile, Favre has Adrian Peterson in the backfield and Jared Allen rushing the opposing quarterback. Favre has the most talented offensive and defensive players in the league. And he’s not simply riding their coattails. They’re all pushing each other. Favre is doing the most.
    By forcing his way out of Green Bay, retiring from the Jets after one season and staging a Flava Favre, will-he-or-won’t-he drama this offseason, Favre placed an unprecedented amount of pressure on himself.
    When the season started, the only people in the Favre bunker were Brett, Deanna, Bus Cook, Brad Childress, Zygi Wilf and John Madden.
    The media felt burned by Favre. Fans were sick of the nonstop coverage. Fran Tarkenton made a return to relevancy blasting Favre in radio and TV interviews. Adam Schefter floated a theory/story there was tension in the Vikings locker room over Favre’s arrival.
    Favre has made assclowns of everybody, particularly Ted Thompson.
    Ali took on the government and love-it-or-leave-it America and established a reputation as “The Greatest.” Other than that, I can’t think of another athlete who has exceeded what Favre has accomplished this season (without overcoming a major medical issue).
    Drew Brees is putting up nice stats. Peyton Manning and the Colts are undefeated.
    Brees and Manning can’t touch Brett Favre. Even if the Saints and the Colts run the table, Favre is the MVP unless he falls apart down the stretch.

  13. mooremi9 says: Nov 9, 2009 10:25 AM

    I suppose Donald Driver will make the dirtiest player of the NFL list after he laid out that Tampa Player.
    What a stupid list.
    On a side note Ryan Grant is a piece of Sh*t

  14. Twiz says: Nov 9, 2009 10:25 AM

    I think hell has frozen over because I am about to agree with Lord Florio…….holy shit!
    This game is FAR more important than the Cowboys/Eagles game. The biggest reason is the direction the Packers claimed they were going when releasing Favre, what they expected from the team, and what the fans expected. Nothing could be further from the truth.
    The Packers have proven they screwed up. Rodgers is NOT the future of the franchise (at least not at this point), management has no clue how to draft, instead of attempting to shore up a O line full of holes, they bring in an un-needed player. They allow 6 sacks to a team that had previously not won a single game this year.
    Yep, this game is more important if only to show the Packer fans what a crappy team they have this year and what the future is going to be like with TT in charge!

  15. purpleguy says: Nov 9, 2009 10:27 AM

    Fox broadcast this game in MN Sunday with the Vikes on the bye and there’s not much to say after watching that crap for three hours — geez.

  16. DePack says: Nov 9, 2009 10:34 AM

    C’mon Packer fans. Tighten up the hinges on your heads. Thompson has got to go. This team doesn’t have the talent to consistently compete. TT has been there 5 years. That is long enough especially the way he has embarassed all associated with the franchise 2 summers ago.
    As a Packer stockholder I can tell you that is has gotten to the point where many fans including stockholders are rooting for the vikings now, not just because of Brett but because this seems to be the shortest route to Thompson’s departure.

  17. CutlerISaPussy says: Nov 9, 2009 10:35 AM

    Well I guess my early season predictions of the WackPack being a .500 team may have been high considering their remaining schedule. They might be lucky to squeak out 2 or 3 more wins.
    I hope they keep TT and MM though so they can bypass some good talent in the draft so the Vikings can pick it up at the end of the first round!

  18. Bob Nelson says: Nov 9, 2009 10:37 AM

    The special teams coach is being held just waiting for a bus to come along and be thrown under.
    After shifting blame and firing assistant after assistant it is time for McCarthy to go.
    It is McCarthy that has to answer for losing games to bad teams.
    He lost the NFC title game at Green Bay in 2008 because he practiced indoors leading up to the game.
    He lost to those vikings and then in the second game he did not change tactics this season.
    Losing a conference game to an 0-7 team because the team cannot cover on special teams and allows a punt to be blocked.
    This is a team that has assembled a lot of talent and should be 7-1 or 6-2. Yet they are in 2nd place in their division to a team that with lucky wins against the 49′ers and Ravens they now let off the hook.
    The Packers won their NFC North division 2/3 of the time until last season under McCarthy. If they do not win the division this season as as expected then the stockholders will be wanting a new coach that will not mishandle the talent on the team.

  19. DePack says: Nov 9, 2009 10:39 AM

    Patrian……ummm….he summarizes every game.

  20. smokesome says: Nov 9, 2009 10:45 AM

    florio, you really are a tool. as a packers fan, i’ve tried to stay open minded about the whole ted thompson and mike mccarthy thing. if thompson wants to build through the draft, ok, that’s fine in theory, but after 5 years we should have solid talent developed across the board. he’s added some quality players, but we should have a MUCH better offensive line. that’s thompson’s job and he has failed. it’s embarrassing how poorly they play week after week. i have a feeling they might be breaking that all time sacks allowed record set by the texans a few years back. the team is also extremely undisciplined and the amount of penalties week after week is a direct reflection of mccarthy and his staff. i could go on and on about all the things wrong with this team, but the point is that it’s time for change. i don’t feel like the packers are going to make the playoffs at this point because of their poor play and tough second half schedule. however, even if they sneak in as a wild card, that does not validate thompson or mccarthy. these problems aren’t going to fix themselves. packers fans need to be united again and the only way to do that is to fire thompson and mccarthy and start fresh.

  21. Notoroius B.U.G. says: Nov 9, 2009 10:56 AM

    “This is a team that has assembled a lot of talent and should be 7-1 or 6-2. Yet they are in 2nd place in their division to a team that with lucky wins against the 49′ers and Ravens they now let off the hook. ”
    @BobNelson: Once again you make yourself look like a complete moron.
    You have to be lucky to be good, and good to be lucky. The Packers are neither. As for lots of talent, I see a couple of talented people on that team, but not many. And by the way, the Vikings didn’t lose to the Rams, Browns, or the Lions…the Packers lost to THE BUCS…team #32 on most “power rankings” – eat that Bob.

  22. Supersuckers says: Nov 9, 2009 10:57 AM

    DePack,
    That would make you a non packer fan. Stay in Minnesota. Thanks for your contribution to the stadium renovation with the purchase of you worthless stock.

  23. Supersuckers says: Nov 9, 2009 11:00 AM

    smoksome,
    Talent isn’t the problem.

  24. Majik Man says: Nov 9, 2009 11:07 AM

    It’s quite amazing how the tune of the Packer fan has changed in the last 9 weeks. After crowning themselves as the Preseason Champs, most Pack fans were planning a February trip to Miami. McCarthy was coach of the year, Thompson would win Exec. of the year, and Rodgers was a lock for MVP.
    Here we are at mid season, with as many losses as wins, with an upcoming schedule that only gets more difficult. After a loss to the worst team in the league, even the biggest Packer homer (Bob Nelson) is calling for the firings of the dynamic duo of MM and TT. And the preseason MVP can’t grasp the concept of throwing the ball away. In this economy, I just hope all of those tickets to Miami are refundable.

  25. CutlerISaPussy says: Nov 9, 2009 11:07 AM

    Should be 7-1 there Bob? You record is exactly what it should be. You have not accumulated a lot of talent, that is the Vikings you are thinking of that have accumulated a lot of talent. You need to quit drinking that green kool-aid that is spiked with your own piss!!
    Expect to be in the cellar of the North division for a number of years here b/c I put money on you guys keeping those clowns running your team into the ground for at least another year or two.
    Oh, and it looks like the crippled up tackle you hacks brought in held up well for his first game back.

  26. thehoodedone says: Nov 9, 2009 11:08 AM

    So the BrettFarve Vikings two signature wins ths season came against a team who lost to Tampa Bay???????? At least they’ve got those wins against the Lions, Browns,Rams and 9ers. BrettFarve is definitely the MVP of he B division.

  27. Agamemnon says: Nov 9, 2009 11:09 AM

    I’m not sure “Baby Swiss” is where the problem actually lies. One of the pregame shows, or maybe it was half time or even in game, showed recent sacks of Rodgers. On one occasion, it was obvious the OL failed. On others, Rodgers held on to the ball for 5, 6, or even over 7 seconds. That’s an eternity for any OL to hold off rushers. And at that, there were several times where Rodgers could have dumped off the ball for an incomplete pass but took the sack instead.
    Does Rodgers have a bonus depending on his completion percentage? I think he’s trying to avoid the costly turnover, but if the QB is outside of the pocket, there’s almost no excuse for taking a sack these days.
    At any rate, the sacks should not be laid entirely at the OL or the OL Coach. Mr. Rodgers needs to be more aware of his neighborhood and get the f-in’ ball out. Or maybe the Offensive coordinator can find a way to get the ball out of Rodgers’ hands sooner.

  28. ErinRodgers says: Nov 9, 2009 11:10 AM

    Great game on both sides. Tampa was just the better team.
    And I thought Erin Rodgers, MM, and TT have done a remarkable job so far. Keep all three of those guys around as “your future.” Please.
    Oh, and by the way….. Thanks for Favre. That was a good move, shoving the player who single-handedly made your franchise for 16 seasons.
    But hey, look on the bright side, the Packers will be consistent without Favre and all those interceptions he throws. Pack will be 6-10 AGAIN with ERIN Rodgers as QB.
    Great life decisions GB. ahahhahaha

  29. SpartaChris says: Nov 9, 2009 11:19 AM

    I’ve been willing to give McCarthy and Thompson the benefit of the doubt, because I felt we had a decent team, and it’s inevitable to hit some bumps and growing pains. But now I’m strongly considering hopping on the fire them bandwagon.
    Unfortunately we can’t fire them after this season unless we’re willing to eat $18M. Thompson and McCarthy each have three years left on their deals- Mike at $4M/year and Ted at $2M per year.
    Hopefully this proves to both of them that building and developing through the draft is fine, but you need veteran leadership and free agents to help solidify the team to be competitive. Otherwise you wind up serving more as a farm team for the rest of the league, which is more or less what we are.

  30. DePack says: Nov 9, 2009 11:32 AM

    Supersucker….keep oiling that hingehead. It will be alot easier to shake your head up and down at everything management does.
    Brett Favre is a bigger part of the Packers than TT ever will be.
    BTW….the stock isn’t worthless….it’s priceless! Can you say you are an NFL owner. Besides if it weren’t for the real fans like me willing to put my money where my mouth is, trailer park trash like yourself wouldn’t be able to say that we have the best stadium in all of sports.

  31. jaker82 says: Nov 9, 2009 11:37 AM

    As a life long Packers fan – I hope both McCarthy and TT seats feel as hot as the 1000 degrees that they should be.
    In five years TT has PROVEN he doesn’t have an eye for o-linemen in the draft – and at the same time it’s like Rodgers has regressed each game this season. He’s grown so used to being on the turf that it looks like he’s staring blankly down the field just waiting for the inevitable. THROW IT AWAY A-RODGE!!!!!
    I love the idea of bringing in someone like Cowher or hell even Shanahan – someone that can take control of the team & get rid of the all the “mental” penalties.
    There’s just so many things wrong with what happened yesterday – Pack is not nearly as good as their record.

  32. Mactator says: Nov 9, 2009 11:40 AM

    Is Florio a Queens fan? If so, this explains a lot!

  33. wrath4771 says: Nov 9, 2009 11:40 AM

    Things I think:
    Why do the Packers no longer run slant patterns? The last couple of years that has been the bread and butter of the passing attack – short pass and let the receivers run wild. It’s beena few weeks since I remember seeing a slant – everything looks like a deep post to the middle now.
    The Packers have spent 8 picks on offensive linemen in the past couple of drafts. Outside of Jason Spitz and maybe Cooledge, none of these guys have panned out. The Packers scouting and TT don’t seem to be able to recognize OL talent – they need to bring in someone who does.
    Related to above, the Packers have to bring in some Tackles. The whole line needs an over haul, but opposing DE’s are killing the tackles.
    Why have the Saints and Broncos adapted to the 3-4 so well, but the Packers are struggling with it?
    Why hasn’t the special teams coach been fired by now? If the OL is Baby Swiss, what do we call the special teams? That unit has been ripped the last couple of weeks and they should be much better – there are a lot of line backers and full backs on that unit and they are suppose to be better special teams players.

  34. DasRipper says: Nov 9, 2009 11:41 AM

    Kampman is going to look good line up across from Jared Allen next season.

  35. Nevisyakker says: Nov 9, 2009 11:49 AM

    Dear Bob and the rest of the Packer Faithful:
    Look on the bright side. By going 6-10 or 5-11 you will have put yourself in a fine position to claim that coveted 8 to 12 slot int he 2010 draft. Of course Thompson will probably use it to draft a linebacker from Moorehead State, but hey, it’s not like your O-Line can get any worse right?

  36. Nel Bobson says: Nov 9, 2009 11:53 AM

    Bob Nelson your an Idiot. The Packers do not have the talent to be 7-1 or 6-2, take off the green tinted glasses you moron. Your lucky to be 4-4. I would like to know where all this talent is on the Packer roster?????

  37. Supersuckers says: Nov 9, 2009 11:55 AM

    DePack,
    I am not a NFL owner and either are you. You get no return on that “investment” You were had!!
    As far as Lambeau being the best stadium in all of sports you are out of your mind!!! Ive listed every stadium (not including arenas) I have been in and ranked them from nicest to the biggest hole. Lambeau is no jewel. It has history but the metal benches and shoulder to shoulder contact with thy neighbor makes it a rather uncomfortable place to watch a game.
    1. Royals Stadium
    2. Miller Park
    3. Indianapolis Motor Speedway
    4. Busch Stadium
    5. Milwaukee County Stadium (if on right field line during football game)
    6. Lambeau Field
    7. Humpty Dump.

  38. Supersuckers says: Nov 9, 2009 11:56 AM

    Real fans like you ? Who are rooting for losses?? Thats pathetic and I am embarrased for you.

  39. MNFANINAZ says: Nov 9, 2009 12:04 PM

    Dear Randy Moss,
    We still love you, please come home and help us go back to back next season!
    Regards,
    Vikings Fans

  40. Gordon Tremeshko says: Nov 9, 2009 12:04 PM

    @Bob Nelson,
    You’re seriously blaming your team’s fortunes on the special teams coach? It couldn’t have anything to do with GB’s pathetic O line, lack of pass rush or third rate run game?
    “Should be 7-1 or 6-2.” You are funny.
    I hate to tell you Bob, but this is the NFL. All of the teams have “a lot of talent.” Some teams just have a lot more than others, as evidenced by Vikings’ two wins over the Packers this season.
    The biggest problem with the Pack is the unrealistic expectations of their fans. They won only 6 games last year. They didn’t make any significant moves in the off season, other than the draft, which usually takes a few years to pan out (with the rare exception of players like Percy Harvin). Grow up Bob. Face the facts.
    No matter how much you believe in them and think they have been blessed from above, they are what they are, a .500 team. They have what amounts to a four game deficit in the division, and after that loss to the Buck’s, their chances of getting a wildcard look quite grim.

  41. PurpleRaid12 says: Nov 9, 2009 12:10 PM

    I recall JimmySmith saying, and I quote
    “I’ll make a wager PurpleRaid12, if the Brownies beat the Packers I won’t post on this site for a month”.
    Well, can this count? I mean the Browns were at least 1-5 when the Sack played them and the Bucs were 0-7.
    Although, I haven’t seen a lot of Jimmy on here anyways, maybe wireless internet doesn’t work in the parent’s basement.

  42. Florio's Biatch says: Nov 9, 2009 12:10 PM

    Chugga chugga chugga chugga WOOOO WOOOOOOOOO!!!
    FAIL.

  43. Hauschild says: Nov 9, 2009 12:15 PM

    Now for the Favre-haters – is it finally sinking into yer thick skullz? Do you understand why he could no longer play for such a fly-by-nite outfit???
    I saw it, nearly from day one, but so many people – I think – didn’t wanna see it. They wanted to believe the “machine” knew best.
    Idiots.

  44. stetai says: Nov 9, 2009 12:18 PM

    For anyone hoping or expecting changes in Green Bay, you’re not going to get it, and it’s all because of Brett Favre. When they shut the door on him, they committed to saying this is the group that we’re going with, and any change to MM, Ted, or Aaron would be an admission they were wrong about Brett.
    Ted would never fire Mike. Mike has complete loyalty to Ted who made him HC when no one in the NFL would ever be so stupid. Plus the Favre thing tied them together for life. If Mike gets fired, it would have to come from above Ted.
    The only way Ted gets fired is by Mark Murphy, who is also married to these two knuckleheads by the Favre fiasco and the $20m bribe attempt.
    If Bob Harlan was still running things, I’d say Ted and Mike would be gone, but the new guy, Murphy is in the same boat. It is WAY too soon for Murphy to turn his back on his partners in crime.
    So expect more scapegoats in the form of assistant firings, and maybe another radical system change.
    Packer fans, this is the bed you made, when you unanimously voted that Brett Favre was wrong for your long-term future.

  45. Professor says: Nov 9, 2009 12:19 PM

    Viking fans, enjoy it while it lasts. I don’t blame you for talking shit about the Pack, obvioulsy they’ve been making it easy lately. Just remember, what goes around comes around. If you’re lucky, you might make it to the conference championship game. Realistically, your man-crush on Favre will end along with your season when he starts to get over-confident and tries to win games on his own only to throw season-ending interceptions. Either way, your ex-Packer will only be around to prop your team up for another year or so and he’ll be gone. After that, your team will be sold to the highest bidder. Then you will be left with your purple wieners in your hands.
    That being said, I do agree that McCarthy needs to go. It’s obvious that the team is poorly coached when you have that many penalties. He’s had more than enough time to teach his system to the o-line and they still suck….because he can’t manage an o-line worth a shit. I think his play calling is absolutely horrible. If your QB is getting pressure, call some three step drops and get the ball out more quickly, teach your QB to tuck and run more often if that’s what’s needed. Rodgers is a good QB. You can’t lead the league in passer rating and be a terrible QB. The talent is there, it’s just poorly managed.
    As far as Ted Thompson goes I’ll say this, I’m a Packer fan and I’m going to stick with my guys until they make it perfectly clear they can’t do the job…..see McCarthy. I don’t think Ted has reached that point yet. I know a lot of you “Packer fans” hate Ted because he got rid of Brett. We would have had to deal with loosing Brett soon anyway. If we would have waited we would have lost Rodgers, then where would we be? All you Ted haters would be talking shit about how he couldn’t find a replacement for Favre. Either way he can’t win with you whiners regarding the QB position. As far as the rest of the team, granted the guy hasn’t been able to draft linemen worth a shit. But what about the guys he has hit on….Rodgers, Collins, Jennings, Finley (not a finished product but a very nice threat that will only get better), Raji (hasn’t been healthy all year and still plays solid), Matthews (already our best LB), Tramon Williams (not exactly a Pro-Bowler but has shown he can be a solid starter). Seriously, Ted is not that bad. I’ll tell you, there’s a lot of other GMs out there that should be fired way before Thompson. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe Ted’s picks (o-linemen) might be playing better if they were properly coached?
    Up until now, I’ve defended McCarthy because that’s what loyal fans do. Obviously at some point you’ve gotta say enough is enough. I think we’ve reached that point with Mike.
    De Pack, you might be the biggest bitch of a Packer fan ever. Talk about a fan without a brain….or pride for that matter. There’s nothing worse than a spineless fair-weather fan. You hate Thompson but you have no idea what the organization was supposed to do when Favre leaves. What, Ted was suposed to continue letting an ego-maniac, close to his third retirement QB try to run the organization? You love Favre so much that you have no team concept. You’re an idiot. Whenever you decide to pull your head out of your ass, rinse the sand out of your vagina and start rooting for your team like the rest of us self-respecting Packer fans. Be realistic, no matter what team you root for, THEY’RE NOT GOING TO BE SUPER BOWL CONTENDERS EVERY YEAR!

  46. Professor says: Nov 9, 2009 12:19 PM

    Viking fans, enjoy it while it lasts. I don’t blame you for talking shit about the Pack, obvioulsy they’ve been making it easy lately. Just remember, what goes around comes around. If you’re lucky, you might make it to the conference championship game. Realistically, your man-crush on Favre will end along with your season when he starts to get over-confident and tries to win games on his own only to throw season-ending interceptions. Either way, your ex-Packer will only be around to prop your team up for another year or so and he’ll be gone. After that, your team will be sold to the highest bidder. Then you will be left with your purple wieners in your hands.
    That being said, I do agree that McCarthy needs to go. It’s obvious that the team is poorly coached when you have that many penalties. He’s had more than enough time to teach his system to the o-line and they still suck….because he can’t manage an o-line worth a shit. I think his play calling is absolutely horrible. If your QB is getting pressure, call some three step drops and get the ball out more quickly, teach your QB to tuck and run more often if that’s what’s needed. Rodgers is a good QB. You can’t lead the league in passer rating and be a terrible QB. The talent is there, it’s just poorly managed.
    As far as Ted Thompson goes I’ll say this, I’m a Packer fan and I’m going to stick with my guys until they make it perfectly clear they can’t do the job…..see McCarthy. I don’t think Ted has reached that point yet. I know a lot of you “Packer fans” hate Ted because he got rid of Brett. We would have had to deal with loosing Brett soon anyway. If we would have waited we would have lost Rodgers, then where would we be? All you Ted haters would be talking shit about how he couldn’t find a replacement for Favre. Either way he can’t win with you whiners regarding the QB position. As far as the rest of the team, granted the guy hasn’t been able to draft linemen worth a shit. But what about the guys he has hit on….Rodgers, Collins, Jennings, Finley (not a finished product but a very nice threat that will only get better), Raji (hasn’t been healthy all year and still plays solid), Matthews (already our best LB), Tramon Williams (not exactly a Pro-Bowler but has shown he can be a solid starter). Seriously, Ted is not that bad. I’ll tell you, there’s a lot of other GMs out there that should be fired way before Thompson. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe Ted’s picks (o-linemen) might be playing better if they were properly coached?
    Up until now, I’ve defended McCarthy because that’s what loyal fans do. Obviously at some point you’ve gotta say enough is enough. I think we’ve reached that point with Mike.
    De Pack, you might be the biggest bitch of a Packer fan ever. Talk about a fan without a brain….or pride for that matter. There’s nothing worse than a spineless fair-weather fan. You hate Thompson but you have no idea what the organization was supposed to do when Favre leaves. What, Ted was suposed to continue letting an ego-maniac, close to his third retirement QB try to run the organization? You love Favre so much that you have no team concept. You’re an idiot. Whenever you decide to pull your head out of your ass, rinse the sand out of your vagina and start rooting for your team like the rest of us self-respecting Packer fans. Be realistic, no matter what team you root for, THEY’RE NOT GOING TO BE SUPER BOWL CONTENDERS EVERY YEAR!

  47. Professor says: Nov 9, 2009 12:20 PM

    Viking fans, enjoy it while it lasts. I don’t blame you for talking shit about the Pack, obvioulsy they’ve been making it easy lately. Just remember, what goes around comes around. If you’re lucky, you might make it to the conference championship game. Realistically, your man-crush on Favre will end along with your season when he starts to get over-confident and tries to win games on his own only to throw season-ending interceptions. Either way, your ex-Packer will only be around to prop your team up for another year or so and he’ll be gone. After that, your team will be sold to the highest bidder. Then you will be left with your purple wieners in your hands.
    That being said, I do agree that McCarthy needs to go. It’s obvious that the team is poorly coached when you have that many penalties. He’s had more than enough time to teach his system to the o-line and they still suck….because he can’t manage an o-line worth a shit. I think his play calling is absolutely horrible. If your QB is getting pressure, call some three step drops and get the ball out more quickly, teach your QB to tuck and run more often if that’s what’s needed. Rodgers is a good QB. You can’t lead the league in passer rating and be a terrible QB. The talent is there, it’s just poorly managed.
    As far as Ted Thompson goes I’ll say this, I’m a Packer fan and I’m going to stick with my guys until they make it perfectly clear they can’t do the job…..see McCarthy. I don’t think Ted has reached that point yet. I know a lot of you “Packer fans” hate Ted because he got rid of Brett. We would have had to deal with loosing Brett soon anyway. If we would have waited we would have lost Rodgers, then where would we be? All you Ted haters would be talking shit about how he couldn’t find a replacement for Favre. Either way he can’t win with you whiners regarding the QB position. As far as the rest of the team, granted the guy hasn’t been able to draft linemen worth a shit. But what about the guys he has hit on….Rodgers, Collins, Jennings, Finley (not a finished product but a very nice threat that will only get better), Raji (hasn’t been healthy all year and still plays solid), Matthews (already our best LB), Tramon Williams (not exactly a Pro-Bowler but has shown he can be a solid starter). Seriously, Ted is not that bad. I’ll tell you, there’s a lot of other GMs out there that should be fired way before Thompson. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe Ted’s picks (o-linemen) might be playing better if they were properly coached?
    Up until now, I’ve defended McCarthy because that’s what loyal fans do. Obviously at some point you’ve gotta say enough is enough. I think we’ve reached that point with Mike.
    De Pack, you might be the biggest bitch of a Packer fan ever. Talk about a fan without a brain….or pride for that matter. There’s nothing worse than a spineless fair-weather fan. You hate Thompson but you have no idea what the organization was supposed to do when Favre leaves. What, Ted was suposed to continue letting an ego-maniac, close to his third retirement QB try to run the organization? You love Favre so much that you have no team concept. You’re an idiot. Whenever you decide to pull your head out of your ass, rinse the sand out of your vagina and start rooting for your team like the rest of us self-respecting Packer fans. Be realistic, no matter what team you root for, THEY’RE NOT GOING TO BE SUPER BOWL CONTENDERS EVERY YEAR!

  48. Professor says: Nov 9, 2009 12:23 PM

    Viking fans, enjoy it while it lasts. I don’t blame you for talking shit about the Pack, obvioulsy they’ve been making it easy lately. Just remember, what goes around comes around. If you’re lucky, you might make it to the conference championship game. Realistically, your man-crush on Favre will end along with your season when he starts to get over-confident and tries to win games on his own only to throw season-ending interceptions. Either way, your ex-Packer will only be around to prop your team up for another year or so and he’ll be gone. After that, your team will be sold to the highest bidder. Then you will be left with your purple wieners in your hands.
    That being said, I do agree that McCarthy needs to go. It’s obvious that the team is poorly coached when you have that many penalties. He’s had more than enough time to teach his system to the o-line and they still suck….because he can’t manage an o-line worth a shit. I think his play calling is absolutely horrible. If your QB is getting pressure, call some three step drops and get the ball out more quickly, teach your QB to tuck and run more often if that’s what’s needed. Rodgers is a good QB. You can’t lead the league in passer rating and be a terrible QB. The talent is there, it’s just poorly managed.
    As far as Ted Thompson goes I’ll say this, I’m a Packer fan and I’m going to stick with my guys until they make it perfectly clear they can’t do the job…..see McCarthy. I don’t think Ted has reached that point yet. I know a lot of you “Packer fans” hate Ted because he got rid of Brett. We would have had to deal with loosing Brett soon anyway. If we would have waited we would have lost Rodgers, then where would we be? All you Ted haters would be talking shit about how he couldn’t find a replacement for Favre. Either way he can’t win with you whiners regarding the QB position. As far as the rest of the team, granted the guy hasn’t been able to draft linemen worth a shit. But what about the guys he has hit on….Rodgers, Collins, Jennings, Finley (not a finished product but a very nice threat that will only get better), Raji (hasn’t been healthy all year and still plays solid), Matthews (already our best LB), Tramon Williams (not exactly a Pro-Bowler but has shown he can be a solid starter). Seriously, Ted is not that bad. I’ll tell you, there’s a lot of other GMs out there that should be fired way before Thompson. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe Ted’s picks (o-linemen) might be playing better if they were properly coached?
    Up until now, I’ve defended McCarthy because that’s what loyal fans do. Obviously at some point you’ve gotta say enough is enough. I think we’ve reached that point with Mike.
    De Pack, you might be the biggest bitch of a Packer fan ever. Talk about a fan without a brain….or pride for that matter. There’s nothing worse than a spineless fair-weather fan. You hate Thompson but you have no idea what the organization was supposed to do when Favre leaves. What, Ted was suposed to continue letting an ego-maniac, close to his third retirement QB try to run the organization? You love Favre so much that you have no team concept. You’re an idiot. Whenever you decide to pull your head out of your ass, rinse the sand out of your vagina and start rooting for your team like the rest of us self-respecting Packer fans. Be realistic, no matter what team you root for, THEY’RE NOT GOING TO BE SUPER BOWL CONTENDERS EVERY YEAR!

  49. Fan_Of_ Four says: Nov 9, 2009 12:24 PM

    Karen Rodgers is supposed to be a smart girl but I beg to differ. Talk about a slow learner, how many times do you need to have your D!ck put in the dirt before you realize that you need to get rid of the ball quicker.
    How long will the Packers Board of Directors wait this time ? I hope they don’t plan on waiting another 20 years before they hold President Mark Murphy’s feet to the fire and rid the Packers of Thompson and McFatty.
    A few years ago former Packer GM Ron Wolf said the Packers were loaded with NFLE Talent, enter Ted Thomspon. Half of his turds wouldn’t even make an NFLE Team if the League still existed.
    Time to pull the Plug. There is a reason McFatty wasn’t on anyones radar for Head Coach, it’s because he sucks.

  50. Florio's Biatch says: Nov 9, 2009 12:27 PM

    Seriously, if you can’t see that McLardy is an empty vessel, you need to give your head a shake.
    This guy has no pulse. He’s a complete dullard.
    Our team is an exact reflection of him, BORING and SIMPLE!
    Chugga chugga chugga chugga WOOOO WOOOOOOOOO!!!
    FIRED.

  51. bezee23 says: Nov 9, 2009 12:28 PM

    Lol @ the Pack. Talking about a team with NO IDENTITY. I am a well known COWBOYS fan so we def needed this loss. Its a knee jerk league though so dont get too down on yourselves. You better regroup fast though…..
    Just a suggestion you may want to try and stabilize the run game. Ryan Grant and his inconsistent play and rehiring an old running back just to come get some stupid record isnt the right answer. Figure it out fast because……
    We are on our way to your backyard.
    “Some people say I’m crazy as a snake”

  52. DocBG says: Nov 9, 2009 12:29 PM

    this is funny as hell listening to the few packer fans that have the balls to show their faces (where are you jimmy???)
    The problem your team has is both lack of talent, and lack of probperly utilizing the talent that you have. How is that fantastic 3-4 defense working out for ya?
    kampman is not and should never be an OLB that would be like taking Allen, and making him into a TE just because thats what the scheme calls for, it would be stupid.
    karen could be a decent QB, if he knew how to get rid of the ball and he had more than .5 seconds to throw it
    grant is a nobody, your entire offensive line gets an F minus your defensive line is below average, especially as far as 3-4 lines go, your secondary is average at best and cheapshots like you wouldn’t believe, and your front office cannot draft for crap….yeah, good looking future you got here. what little (and i mean very little) talent your team does have is not used right. Personally, I hope the packers model themselves after the steelers and keep their GM and HC for a VERY long time, it would be great and would give the lions a good chance to stay out of the cellar.

  53. longrodvanhungendong says: Nov 9, 2009 12:29 PM

    Outside of the O-line, lack of talent is not the problem in Green Bay…………hmm, what could it be then?

  54. vrooman says: Nov 9, 2009 12:29 PM

    Dear Brett,
    We regret to inform you that your services will no longer be needed in Green Bay. As you may know, we have an expensive 1st round, young stud of a QB on the bench for the last 3 years. We feel like we owe you an explanation……
    1.) Erin is younger, cheaper, and better than you.
    2.) We will NOT trade you to Minnosota because, GOD DAMN can you still play!
    3.) Believe us, next year and for years to come, our O-Line won’t be able to protect against the Yankees defensive line. You wouldn’t survive the first 4 games. Rodgers can.
    4.) Building a winner costs ALOT of money! All Randy Moss does is catch TD’s, has breakaway speed, and exceptional hands. And he only blocks part time! Although he still has 3 DB’s around him.
    5.) Quite honestly, Brett, you deserve better. Our team will suck, our fans will talk trash that our team CAN’T back up. (See week 4 and 7 bitches!!!!!!!), coach McCarthy will address issues that won’t be fixed, shift blame, make counter accusations, fire an assistant and repeat. (see O-line).
    6.) Sooooo, honestly, WE DON’T HAVE A FRICKN CLUE HOW TO RUN A SUCCESSFUL FOOTBALL TEAM.
    Love, Mike & Ted.

  55. Fan of Football says: Nov 9, 2009 12:31 PM

    You got to be kidding me, right? You have got to be fricken kidding me?
    Losing to the Bucs?
    Are you kidding me???
    wow
    wow
    WOW!
    I am not going to harp upon the obvious, that MM(s) and TT need to go for incompetent decision after another (INCLUDING the Favre trade) but I will say this:
    The tape of the shareholders meeting from 2008 needs to be reviewed. Every idiot who stood up to applaud TT when he came on stage needs to have their shares revoked. Also their season tickets if they have any.

  56. BigSnert says: Nov 9, 2009 12:34 PM

    “sour” sorbet and “fetid” Fontinella would have been better.

  57. Beer Cheese Soup says: Nov 9, 2009 12:37 PM

    As painful as that loss was, it’s somehow liberating to be proven right. We’ll keep losing money (and apparently fans) until this horrible situation is FINALLY fixed.
    Some people talk about the 80′s as being the “dark ages” for the Packers. I say we’re much worse now. Infante was nothing special, but he at least knew how to make game-time adjustments. Mandarich was a colossal bust, but he at least SAW the field, unlike Harrell, and could block occasionally too, unlike Barbie. Dickey and Majkowski are certainly not HOF material, but neither one ever led the league in sacks either. Point being, we are on the verge of the worst era in Green Bay HISTORY. We need to act now to fix this.
    It’s nice to see all the other Packer fans getting on board as well. It’s been hard having a once-great fanbase split in two. I like that we’re coming back together now. I only hope it makes a difference.

  58. Vikes-N-Favre says: Nov 9, 2009 12:41 PM

    I would love nothing more then to see Brett Favre hoist the the SB Trophy high in the air as a member of the Minnesota Vikings this year. If they don’t, then it would be great to see Favre return next season, shred the cheese twice again next year, then hoist the SB Trophy high in the air while wearing the purple and gold of the Vikes.
    Then the absolute slap in the face, Favre retires, goes into the HOF, and he goes in as a Viking. It seems impossible, but so to did Favre signing with the Vikings which obviously he did. A player can choose what team he goes into the HOF as, and if Favre and his wife say you know what, ” The fans jettisoned us, the franchise jettisoned us, Fuzzy Thurston and his wife jettisoned us, and many of my ex-teammates jettisoned us because they couldn’t comprehend that I still wanted to play, could play, and should have been given the chance to finish my career in GB, but they didn’t allow me to and instead drove me out of town”
    Then the Minnesota Vikings came calling and made me and my family feel welcome, and made us feel apart of their franchise and I had the time of my life in Minnesota. So GB fans, don’t think just because Favre played 16 years in GB that he is automatically a lock to retire and go into the HOF as a Packer. He can choose to enter as a Viking if he wants to, and I hope he does just because all of you showed your true colors and blasted him.
    If nothing else, the Vikings will get much love from the Favre’s on that day he gets inducted, and that will just dig the knife deeper into the cheeseheads that slammed him and made him feel unwanted. How ironic would it be for Favre to win just as many SB Titles in 1 season as a Viking as he did in 16 seasons as a Packer? Could happen, and if it does, I hope he gloats like never before, because he will definitely deserve it.

  59. launcher says: Nov 9, 2009 12:43 PM

    Professor:
    Excellent post, although you didn’t have to post it 4 times. I know this site sucks when it comes to posting and actually seeing it in a timely manner.

  60. footballrulz says: Nov 9, 2009 12:44 PM

    “a buffoon like Ted Thompson can hold his head high while earning millions of dollars ruining the Green Bay Packers”.
    Truer words have never been spoken. TT/MM have to go. Unfortunately, since the Packers have no owner, they probably won’t & we will dwell in the hell known as mediocrity & irrelevance until the move is finally made.
    @ Spartachris
    18 mil would be worth the price to be rid of these two idiots.
    @ Pervyharvin
    Dayum — didn’t think I’d ever get through that one.

  61. DePack says: Nov 9, 2009 12:52 PM

    Supersucker
    “I am not a NFL owner and either are you. You get no return on that “investment” You were had!!”
    Look at your screen name and then tell me again…that I have been had. I am an NFL owner. I vote every summer. I put my money where my mouth was. My guess is your still saving for that doublewide which of course qualifies you to be “upperclass” in Wisconsin!

  62. Tomb says: Nov 9, 2009 12:55 PM

    Favre laughed & laughed…

  63. Fan_Of_ Four says: Nov 9, 2009 12:56 PM

    DasRipper said: Kampman is going to look good line up across from Jared Allen next season.
    You can bet the farm on Kampmann wanting out after this year. Making him a LB in Capers 3-4 was moronic. The Vikings wanted him the last time his contract was up so I wouldn’t be surprised if they went after him again. He’d be perfect fit in MN.

  64. McLovin says: Nov 9, 2009 1:08 PM

    All the blame can be placed squarely on McCarthy:
    1. The smallish O-linemen suited for his zone-blocking scheme are being bulldozed by bigger D-linemen.
    2. Calls too many passing plays on first down, which leads to 2nd/3rd and long if they don’t complete on first down. He also abandons the run too quickly (after 10-12 plays or so), therefore play-action is not a factor.
    3. Furthermore, he’s calling plays where the routes are too deep and Rodgers has nowhere to dump the ball when he’s in distress. Where’s the checkdown? Remember when Ahman Green was among the leading receivers on the team? How many receptions does Grant have?
    4. Other than Cullen Jenkins and possibly BJ Raji, they don’t have the linemen to run a successful 3-4. Harris and Woodson aren’t allowed to be as physical as they’re used to. So why not take a 4-3/3-4 hybrid approach like Arizona did, or Dallas when Parcells came? Capers is an old dog and will do things the way he knows how, but McCarthy needs to recognize this and keep him in check.

  65. mixman34 says: Nov 9, 2009 1:13 PM

    This just in… “Packers won a couple Championships Decades Ago”!
    Who cares, they suck something fierce right now. And by the looks of it, for some time in the future. No one cares what the pack has done decades ago (except the pack fans obviously, it’s all they got to hold onto after all) we do care what is going on right now. Since after all, we watch the games right now. And talk about the games right now. And the record matters right now. Pack got owned… and with that schedule, I see a 4-12 season right now. MAYBE they squeak one out against the Lions, but man after yesterday, that looks doubtful.
    Eat that cheeseballs your squad blows goats… literally and figuratively.

  66. Supersuckers says: Nov 9, 2009 1:27 PM

    DePack,
    How much would you get for your “stock” if you sold it right now?

  67. Beer Cheese Soup says: Nov 9, 2009 1:28 PM

    SpartaChris says:
    Unfortunately we can’t fire them after this season unless we’re willing to eat $18M. Thompson and McCarthy each have three years left on their deals- Mike at $4M/year and Ted at $2M per year.
    _____________________________________
    Thompson was willing to eat $20 million just to keep Favre from doing what he is now, what’s $18 million to save the team?

  68. DasRipper says: Nov 9, 2009 1:32 PM

    Come again Professor? I didn’t hear you…did you say the Vikings fans should be upset if we make the conference championship game?

  69. Favredaze says: Nov 9, 2009 1:36 PM

    Hey Bob Nelson,
    Those Lucky wins against Ravens and 49ers are what endeared the Packer nation to Brett Favre and you loved benefiting from those lucky wins in 2007 against Denver, Kansas City,and the list goes on and on something like 40 game winning drives he had for the Green and Gold. I know now that is hard to imagine with the GREAT Aaorn Rodgers at the helm, a game winning drive to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat, but thank the genius of Ted and Mike that there are no more lucky wins for the Pack. Maybe had they gotten Favre something to work with like Randy Moss those lucky wins would be taking place in Green Bay, but Ted and Mike made sure there would only be lucky wins in Minnesota.
    FIRE TED THOMPSON
    FIRE MIKE MCCARTHY
    DRAFT A QUATERBACK

  70. Supersuckers says: Nov 9, 2009 1:55 PM

    Because Favre’s 20 million would have turned into 100 million from his likeness.

  71. The Hormel Row of Fame says: Nov 9, 2009 2:02 PM

    As a Viking fan, married to a Packer fan, having several in-laws buy the GB stock, and just recently moving out of northern WI, I humbly submit this for the ongoing “stockholder” argument. Quoted form the NY Times:
    But the buyer will get no dividends, no share price appreciation, no spoils if the team is sold, no securities law protection, no tickets to Lambeau Field, no charitable tax deduction, no merchandise discounts, no financial reports and no option to transfer ownership to anyone but a family member as a gift.
    No foam rubber cheeseheads are offered as investment inducements.
    And once acquired, the stock is senseless to dump. There is no market for it; the only possible buyer is the team, which will pay 2.5 cents a share.”
    Sure the holder gets voting priveledges, but only on the watered-down ballot of low -to -mid level issues, not quite the same ballot as the Big $$$ shareholders. Don’t get me wrong, I like the idea and wish the Vikings would do something similar. The money that GB brought in was used for it’s purpose, to help renovate the stadium. Lord knows the Vikes need a stadium upgrade!!!

  72. brasho says: Nov 9, 2009 2:05 PM

    I’m a huge Bucs fan and for any team to lose to us it pathetic.
    The Packers dominated the game for the most part but a lot of the problems wasn’t because of the offensive line, but because Rodgers held onto the ball too long. All but one of those sacks given up were coverage sacks (the White/Hovan near safety) where Rodgers should have gotten rid of the ball or bolted.
    Rodgers reminds me of ex-Jets QB Kenny O’Brien… good stats, too many sacks.

  73. Slow Joe says: Nov 9, 2009 2:10 PM

    @Bob Nelson: As Bill Parcells once said, “You are what your record says you are”.
    Hey, I’m a Bucs fan, so it’s no picnic for me, either.

  74. DePack says: Nov 9, 2009 2:22 PM

    No shat! Everyone that bought that stock knew what they were getting. It’s called supporting your team so they can compete in the NFL.
    Where were you guys then? My stock looks pretty f-ing good framed and hanging on my wall. How much would you get for that old James Lofton Jersey that you probably paid the same amount for? I am an owner of the Green Bay Packers. I do vote every summer. And I hope to hell that Brett Favre takes the vikings to the Super Bowl and hoists the Lombardi trophy!
    Only then will Mark Murphy find the nutts to do what is right! Maybe!

  75. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Nov 9, 2009 2:28 PM

    Fan_Of_ Four says:
    November 9, 2009 12:56 PM
    DasRipper said: Kampman is going to look good line up across from Jared Allen next season.
    You can bet the farm on Kampmann wanting out after this year. Making him a LB in Capers 3-4 was moronic. The Vikings wanted him the last time his contract was up so I wouldn’t be surprised if they went after him again. He’d be perfect fit in MN.
    ——————————
    You can also bet the farm that the Packers don’t let him walk for nothing. They’ll probably franchise him and trade him. To watch one of the best pass rushers of the past 3 years walk away and get nothing for him would be inexcusable.

  76. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Nov 9, 2009 2:34 PM

    Vikes-N-Favre says:
    November 9, 2009 12:41 PM
    Then the absolute slap in the face, Favre retires, goes into the HOF, and he goes in as a Viking.
    —————————–
    I don’t know how many times I’ve tried to explain this to you rubes, but I’ll try one more time. YOU DON’T GO INTO THE PRO FOOTBALL HALL OF FAME AS A MEMBER OF A TEAM. You go in as a player, nothing more. Here’s an example: http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.aspx?PlayerId=282 I count four team logos next to Woodson’s name.
    He could, however, choose a Vikings player or coach to do his little induction speech. But my guess is he’d pick Frank Winters or Donald Driver. How funny would it be if he chose Chmura?

  77. Manbearpig says: Nov 9, 2009 2:36 PM

    Isn’t it funny how only a couple years ago when the Packers had Favre McCarthy was lauded as a genius and Childress a complete tool, a worthless head coach? And now that the ol’ gunslinger has changed unis, it’s completely the opposite? Funny how that works.
    Nice loss to the Bucs. Packers suck even worse than I thought they would. Pretty soon they’ll be driving Aaron Rodgers out of town in favor of the handpicked Brian Brohm, who is younger and no doubt has more upside. Lol.

  78. TCH4ever says: Nov 9, 2009 2:38 PM

    Just to stir the pot, lets take a stroll down memory lane here Vikings fans…
    MIN 34 @ CLE 20 – CLE record 1-7
    MIN 27 @ DET 13 – DET record 1-7
    SF 24 @ MIN 27 – SF record 3-5
    GB 23 @ MIN 30 – GB record 4-4
    MIN 38 @ STL 10 – STL record 1-7
    BAL 31 @ MIN 33 – BAL record 4-4
    MIN 17 @ PIT 27 – PIT record 5-2
    MIN 38 @ GB 26
    Combined opponents record = 23-40. Some tough competition there.
    As of now yall havnt even beaten a winning team. Some neat things to point out:
    -Cleveland beat Buffalo (3-5 record) 6-3
    -Detroit beat Washington (2-6 record) 19-14
    -St. Louis beat Detroit 17-10
    -And finally and most importantly Tampa Bay (1-7 record) beat Green Bay who is arguably the best team on your resume to date.
    The road to the Super Bowl will be through New Orleans and there is absolutely no way the Vikes will beat them. “Great team” one might say…as for me im going with overrated.
    I am a Bucs fan and have no room to talk whatsoever but get off your high norse, Vikings fans and realize your second at BEST…in the NFC.

  79. Supersuckers says: Nov 9, 2009 2:39 PM

    DePack,
    Iam embarrased for you. Stay on that side. You claim you are a owner of the packers but wat the vikings to win it all. Seems like a conflict of interest. Iam going to call the Packers and make then aware of the fact that one of their shareholders is a traitor. You know what they would say? He’s not really a owner, his stock is worthless, and they don’t get to vote for a thin (though they think they do) Now take that wortless piece of paper and wipe your ass with it cause I bet you havent taken a double tapered shit in your life. That is all i have for you.

  80. Majik Man says: Nov 9, 2009 2:46 PM

    Holy cats, Adam-Chris Scheftersen actually showed up to the party. Did you make good on your wager, as I recall you were extremely confident in saying there was no way that the Pack loses with 6 Rodgers sacks.

  81. DePack says: Nov 9, 2009 2:51 PM

    “DePack,
    Iam embarrased for you. Stay on that side. You claim you are a owner of the packers but wat the vikings to win it all. Seems like a conflict of interest. Iam going to call the Packers and make then aware of the fact that one of their shareholders is a traitor. You know what they would say? He’s not really a owner, his stock is worthless, and they don’t get to vote for a thin (though they think they do) Now take that wortless piece of paper and wipe your ass with it cause I bet you havent taken a double tapered shit in your life. That is all i have for you.”
    That’s all you have. News flash Supersucker (yes you gave yourself that name). The Packers Admin offices have been flooded with calls for the past two years by……….wait for it………..OWNERS…….. Bottomline is now that we have been proven right it will stick.
    Now enjoy your evening son. Not really sure what a “double tapered shit” is….I am just going to assume that is part of the trailer park slang. No need to reply!!!

  82. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Nov 9, 2009 2:53 PM

    Having had some time to mull it over, I was a little rash in my assessment earlier. The defense did not collapse as easily as the offense and special teams did.
    The Bucs scored 5 TDs Sunday.
    - Two of them came when the defense was not on the field
    - One came on a good, sustained drive (72 yards)
    - One came on a 17 yard drive after the special teams unit allowed an 83 yard return
    - One came on an 8 yard drive after a Rodgers INT
    So the defense allowed one TD drive longer than 17 yards. They forced 7 punts, including five 3-and-outs. And they continually had to deal with a short field due to INTs and poor special teams play. I’ll take that from the defense. They came into the game ranked 4th by yardage, and they left the game ranked 4th. Much better than last year.
    But it’s still unacceptable to lose to Tampa. That’s a disgrace.

  83. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Nov 9, 2009 2:57 PM

    Manbearpig says:
    November 9, 2009 2:36 PM
    Isn’t it funny how only a couple years ago when the Packers had Favre McCarthy was lauded as a genius and Childress a complete tool, a worthless head coach? And now that the ol’ gunslinger has changed unis, it’s completely the opposite? Funny how that works.
    —————————–
    OK, but Mike Sherman had Favre and he was never considered a genius. Ray Rhodes had Favre and he was never a genius. Don’t even make me bring up this guy: http://mandatemedia.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/jerry_glanville.jpg

  84. PerryMason says: Nov 9, 2009 2:58 PM

    • DePack says: November 9, 2009 12:52 PM
    Supersucker
    “I am not a NFL owner and either are you. You get no return on that “investment” You were had!!”
    Look at your screen name and then tell me again…that I have been had. I am an NFL owner. I vote every summer. I put my money where my mouth was. My guess is your still saving for that doublewide which of course qualifies you to be “upperclass” in Wisconsin!
    Supersucker is a nut case who last week said he thinks he is Jesus and can suffer for every ones sins.
    Just remind him to go the nurses station and get his meds and he’ll go away.

  85. Majik Man says: Nov 9, 2009 3:12 PM

    TCH4ever says: November 9, 2009 2:38 PM
    Just to stir the pot, lets take a stroll down memory lane here Vikings fans…
    ___________________
    Incredibly useless post. The Vikings are 7-1. They have defeated everyone they were supposed to, and the only loss was to the defending champs, in their house, in a game that went down to the wire.
    Their average margin of victory is over 11 points per win. The slate of teams hasn’t been impressive, but they didn’t make the schedule.
    But if you want to use your logic, the Saints’ opponents have a combined record of 29-36, which isn’t terribly impressive. The Colts’ opponents have a combined 26-39 record, so I guess they must both be overrated as well.
    Just be happy your team got a win this year, and also be thankful you don’t have to play the Tuskers.

  86. Supersuckers says: Nov 9, 2009 3:22 PM

    DePack,
    Yeah they have a call center to answer all teh calls from the owners. LOL. Like any of that gets t the top. Go on youtube and type in the search bar George Brett Shits. You will laugh until you cry.

  87. footballrulz says: Nov 9, 2009 3:26 PM

    @ Adam
    Yeah, you’d hope we learned something from that whole Favre fiasco.
    _______________________________
    Damn, did we play the Vikes yesterday? I thought that was last week. Oh, I forgot, there was no Vikes game this week. So now we gotta hear all this same ol bullshit again.
    WE GOT IT
    WE SUCK
    WE NEED CHANGES
    I can assure you this. I will continue to pull for the Packers regardless of who is at QB or any other position. I am no fair weather fan. Yes, our GM & HC SUCK and since there is no owner in GB it may take a while for change but bet your ass I’ll be right here pulling for them long after the new Saviour in MN is back riding his tractor in Mississippi counting his well earned millions. It was like a punch in the gut watching him drive out of that parking lot–but I root for the laundry, not the player. I am no fair weather fan.`
    Actually I think those who switch allegiance like underwear would be embarrassed to come in here and post their dim witted bullshit. Fan_of_Four, Majik Man–you listening. (Creds for admitting it at least). It’s easy to pull for a winner isn’t it. What noise were you singing last year. Were you flying the mighty green & white flags of the Jets? Who you gonna pull for when Favre finally does retire? Or will you just dry up & fade away? Fair weather fans. Lambeau smelled like new jersey’s & hats last week thanx to all the new Vike fans. Personally, I think any ticketholder that sold their ticket last week should be banned for life but when you look at the prices they were getting–hard to say no.
    If you’re a long time Vike fan I’m glad for ya. Hope Favre takes you far. You’ve got one hell of a team there.
    If you’re a Favre fan who is now a Vike fan–I hope he throws an INT in overtime of the NFC Championship game. He’s good at it, believe me, I know. You see, I’m a Packer fan. You used to be…Don’t come back when the gravy train’s done.

  88. footballrulz says: Nov 9, 2009 3:33 PM

    @ Adam-Chris
    Good job there Adam but trying to speak logically to VikesnFavre or Fan_of_four?
    Man, don’t waste your eyesight.

  89. leatherneck says: Nov 9, 2009 3:35 PM

    Check out the passer ratings of Aaron Rodgers and Josh Freeman in this game.

  90. Manbearpig says: Nov 9, 2009 3:45 PM

    OK, but Mike Sherman had Favre and he was never considered a genius. Ray Rhodes had Favre and he was never a genius. Don’t even make me bring up this guy: http://mandatemedia.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/jerry_glanville.jpg
    Sherman was considered pretty sharp, maybe not genius. I’m not saying it is a hard and fast rule, just funny the way Favre has seemingly defined these rookie coaches’ early careers.
    And how about Mike Holmgren? And that Gruden guy who was Favre’s qb coach?
    You make my point with the Glanville reference. Trading Favre is considered one of the worst personnel moves ever, up there with the Leaf over Manning draft choice, IMHO.

  91. footballrulz says: Nov 9, 2009 3:48 PM

    No ManBearPig (Jesus make up your mind)
    Don’t think anyone’s lauding Chilly as a genius. Favre maybe, but not Chilly.
    I will say this-if he is responsible for your draft picks–he’s damn good at that.

  92. PervyHarvin says: Nov 9, 2009 3:48 PM

    TCH4ever says: The road to the Super Bowl will be through New Orleans and there is absolutely no way the Vikes will beat them. “Great team” one might say…as for me im going with overrated.
    ————————————————–
    OK tetrahydrocannabinol 4ever,explains that numb brain you got. Do you have CROATOAN tattooed on that over sized forehead ?( sure you won’t get that one Chong.)
    Are you lost,bored,stoned or both?Thanks for the scores, very genius. Mad cuz the Saints get to steamroller(giggle now tool,stoner reference) you guys soon? I honor the Saints as a very good team. They have some holes though,let me be blunt(giggle again stoner) Saints have 10 turnovers in 3 games. Panthers rushed on them. Vikings have the better trench fighters on O and D line. We will run on them. Favre will pass on them. Our big bodies can wear them out. People who say Vikes couldn’t compete with the Saints are just haters. We score,they score. May be a shoot out. If we go there, just another dome. Not frosty January grass( giggle again thc!) Be a good game.

  93. PervyHarvin says: Nov 9, 2009 3:53 PM

    oh ….and if you were not so burnt,you would of not messed up your user name. It’s THC you dope!(giggle again!)

  94. ranksg says: Nov 9, 2009 4:00 PM

    Once you get past the hatred and name calling (what is this? A GOP anti-Obama spin off site?), the main point is that even with Brett, GB would not be any better off. He would have been scrambling to save his life and trying to throw passes into key holes. The Vikes have a much better OF line and that is that. They have a stud running back..that is that. The Pack has none of that. Now, we seem to forget that outside of Brett’s brilliant 13-3 season, lost because he tried to thread a needle in OT (just like always) the years before that were not so good. The reason he left was that he just didn’t think he had to come to spring training. Didn’t want to do that. That is why he signed late with the Jets and with the Vikes. Plain and simple. The Pack got tired of waiting for him to make up his mind.
    Now that doesn’t take away the poor execution of the McMeely coaching. I was not in favor of this guy when he got hired. I was not in favor of TT either. This is where the blame lies…the top evaluator-in-chief and the head coach. Not all that capable of things.
    McMeely insists on a verticel game and right now with his OF line, it needs to go horizontal till they stop rushing the QB.
    Aaron Rodgers can be the successor here but blaming him for all of this like blaming the iceberg that sunk the Titanic. He is in the wrong place at the wrong time. Complaining about the long time he holds the ball isn’t really his fault entirely when he is running for his life each play. If he could dump the ball off then he would have a chance but who is going to catch it for him? Ryan “ironhands” Grant? Maybe Ahmen can help till he gets hurt. Use Koon more? Perhaps but that will get figured out and then what?
    The entire OF package needs an update and the DF 3-4 just isn’t the package for GB.
    So c’mon guys, let’s stick to real football, save your name calling for the news and come up with something intelligent. Or maybe that is all most of you are capable of…complaining with no solutions…just like the GOP…HAH

  95. Chickenfoot says: Nov 9, 2009 4:09 PM

    Depack:
    You are one incerdible asshat!
    If you honestly think you have a say in the running of that franchise….I feel sorry for you.
    Funniest thing i ever saw was the ” stockholders” semanding Favre be brought back .
    Only in Wisconsin could that be pulled off.
    Great marketing ploy though!
    I about piss myself eveytime one of you say Packer fan and shareholder here.
    You may as well say packer fan with Monopoly money, it amounts to the same thing.
    The Board of directors is the sole guiding force of that franchise.
    If you think you elected them, you are in for a suprise.
    You fans have nothing to do with the running of or the day to day operations of the Packers.
    I know Super, he isn’t nuts, well, not completely.
    Watch the George Brett vid tho…freaking funny!!

  96. Favredaze says: Nov 9, 2009 4:13 PM

    Hey Professor,
    Your name must be like when you call a fat guy Slim or a tall guy Shorty, cause you are an idiot. Ted Thompson could have gotten Randy Moss for a 5th round pick. Ted ran the best Quaterback in the NFC North out of town. Ted has wasted picks on Justin Harrell and 6 offensive line-man in the three years that he had Favre. He drafted Terrence Murphy,Craig Bragg,Greg Jennings,Ingle Martin,Brandon Jackson,James Jones,David Clowney,Korey Hall, and DeShawn Wynn to help Favre out in those three years. So 5 are still on the team and only 2 are contributing anything(although Hall contributes very little on offense). So Proffesor your ignorance about why the Pack is so bad is obvious. Ted Thompson in his efforts to run Brett Favre out of Green Bay has made sure the team will be in irrelavance by the end of next season. Being a proud Packer fan is a oxymoron right now. There is nothing to be proud of as made obvious by the Packer fans comments that have shifted from Football descussions to personal attacks on the opposing fans. My what a difference 1 1/2 seasons make. Let me explain what I mean by that. We don’t need Brett, to wait till he starts throwing INT’S at the end of the seasons. They have started hating Favre because they are fully aware that he still had alot left in the Tank.

  97. TCH4ever says: Nov 9, 2009 4:13 PM

    Ultimately, my intention was to point out that Minnesota has not played anyone and when they did, they lost. So seeing as you did not catch that, I would have to say your post is “useless”. Next time I will try being a little more black and white for you. They have been tested in one game to date and did not come away victorious. What happens when you do that in the playoffs?
    There is still half the season left and I am sorry the Bucs arent in there…could have been one more 1-7 team to add to that resume.

  98. Crazydiamond says: Nov 9, 2009 4:23 PM

    Yeah, okay Depack, you are an NFL owner. You donated money to your favorite team. Ridiculous.

  99. Manbearpig says: Nov 9, 2009 4:38 PM

    @footballrulz
    I’m half man, half bear, half pig. What better way to describe myself than to use an all encompassing moniker? Favre, meanwhile, is half Viking, half wrangler and half one hell of a model American.
    Chilly’s not considered a genius, that’s probably an exaggeration. But you must admit that public opinion of him is significantly higher than it was even last year. Draft moves have been dynamite. Much better than the Troy Williamson Erasmus James days.

  100. Chickenfoot says: Nov 9, 2009 4:52 PM

    Crazy:
    His vote counts.
    it’s just whether it’s pepperoni or sausage for the pizza at the “shareholders” meetings!
    TCH—they beat the teams they were supposed to….something the pack didn’t do yesterday.
    Why do fans like you even open your mouth, your teams is floundering, yet you are ripping a 7-1 team?
    I nominate you asshat of the day.
    P.S. you and depack are neck and neck for asshat of the week honors.

  101. sand0 says: Nov 9, 2009 5:24 PM

    I don’t understand why Packers fans continue this illusion that their team is talented. It clearly isn’t. They are talented at cornerback, wide receiver, and arguably QB (I personally think that Rodgers is a good QB though his play has been falling off as this season progresses).
    But there are other positions. Linebacker, Defensive line, offensive line, and running back. They are terrible at those positions. Barely any talent. Tight end they are average. Safety they are average or just below.
    They aren’t very talented overall. They aren’t particularly well coached. They lack veteran leadership. Ted Thompson has got to go.

  102. TCH4ever says: Nov 9, 2009 5:25 PM

    @PervyHarvin
    I guess twisting someones name is considered to be funny. HaHa, not really. I wont even go into the meaning of my name as you are obviously too immature and ignorant to understand, hence your post.
    You make great ASSUMPTIONS about your team but we wont know until they play. They may do all those things but last time I checked the only thing that matters is the final score.
    Here man I’m passing that la la back at ya. Seems as though you Vikings fans cant get enough.

  103. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Nov 9, 2009 5:27 PM

    Majik Man says:
    November 9, 2009 2:46 PM
    Holy cats, Adam-Chris Scheftersen actually showed up to the party. Did you make good on your wager, as I recall you were extremely confident in saying there was no way that the Pack loses with 6 Rodgers sacks.
    —————————–
    There was no wager. Fan_of_fellatio failed to take me up on it. I would’ve made good on it, though. I was prepared to put a nice little bet on it.
    Anyway, all this really proved is that guy is a big talker who doesn’t put his money where his mouth is. If he had, he’d be richer today.

  104. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Nov 9, 2009 5:37 PM

    Manbearpig says:
    November 9, 2009 3:45 PM
    Sherman was considered pretty sharp, maybe not genius. I’m not saying it is a hard and fast rule, just funny the way Favre has seemingly defined these rookie coaches’ early careers.
    ——————————
    I guess that’s why he’s such a hot commodity in NFL head coaching circles, right?
    ——————————
    Manbearpig says:
    November 9, 2009 3:45 PM
    And how about Mike Holmgren? And that Gruden guy who was Favre’s qb coach?
    —————————–
    What about Andy Reid? What about Steve Mariucci? Are you saying Brett Favre made Andy Reid, Steve Mariucci, Mike Holmgren and Mike McCarthy? Is that your angle?
    ——————————
    Manbearpig says:
    November 9, 2009 3:45 PM
    You make my point with the Glanville reference. Trading Favre is considered one of the worst personnel moves ever, up there with the Leaf over Manning draft choice, IMHO.
    ——————————
    That makes your point? Hardly. Jerry Glanville did well to get what he did for Favre. At the time Glanville traded him, Favre was a shiftless drunk loser. There’s no reason to think he would’ve amounted to anything else if he had stayed in Atlanta. He certainly wasn’t endearing himself to his coaches.
    Hindsight’s 20/20, though. Glanville probably bragged about the trade immediately afterwards. Interview him now and he says he always knew Favre would be special. Right, Jerry. That’s why you sent him packing. The truth is Favre looked like a shit player and a bust when Jerry sent him away.

  105. TCH4ever says: Nov 9, 2009 5:49 PM

    @ Chickenfoot
    I was not ripping your team by any means. I was stating my opinion that I dont think Minnesota has played a quality team other than Pittsburgh. All yall get on here and bash Green Bay and lesser teams as though your team cant do anything wrong. I said in a round about way that Minnesota is not as good as New Orleans and they are second rate compared to them. Leave it to the cool and awesome football fans who troll these message boards to blow it out of proportion and take it to a whole new level.
    I am more than happy to don the proverbial “asshat” as you refer to it. Coming from you and your fellow posting buddies that may be more of a compliment than anything.

  106. PervyHarvin says: Nov 9, 2009 6:01 PM

    @TCH4ever- Yes I am immature and ignorant. Mom says I post good for a 3rd grader though. Hope I didn’t hurt yo’ feelings Mr.Mcfeely.

  107. DePack says: Nov 9, 2009 6:04 PM

    I guess my being an owner really made an impression on you guys. Jesus…..I was just showing that I am a longtime fan. I know what the stock means. It means I own part of the team. That is what they mean when they say they are owned by the community ass8oles. Everybody knows who runs the team and the power associated with the stock. Try not to be so jealous. I AM a Packer fan. I have never said anything bad about a player or the team, just TT and MM. They ARE NOT the Packers. Just following them blindly will get you the 70′s and 80′s but most of you aren’t old enough to remember that.
    I said I hope the queens win the Super Bowl for Brett and because I think that would be the death of the two dicks. I don’t live in the midwest so I don’t give a shat about the vikings. If you can’t understand that then blow me.
    BTW….I did see the George Brett video before if it is the one about him shatting himself, but I didn’t remember that term. I will agree that it IS funny as sh1t.

  108. footballrulz says: Nov 9, 2009 6:05 PM

    Half man, half bear, half pig. That makes you 1.5 of something. I guess that also make’s Favre Vikingwranglermodelamerican.
    I will grant you though that Chilly’s stature in the coaching world has changed, for now. Story to be continued later. Can’t argue that he’s hit on some draft picks & FA trades. Gotta give him that—
    C U folks tomorrow

  109. Majik Man says: Nov 9, 2009 6:15 PM

    footballrulz
    The only dim witted bullshit around here is your undaunted allegiance to Ted Thompson. Even if you say you don’t like him, you’re still supporting him and his failings by blindly supporting his band of misfits. Choosing to cheer for Favre doesn’t make me a fair weather fan, it just means that I have the ability to think for myself, and I don’t need to support an egomaniac led team like a mindless zombie. I’m not jumping on a bandwagon, I’ve always rooted for Favre, whether his team went 4-12, or 12-4.
    As far as who I will cheer for when Favre finally does hang it up, I don’t know anymore. I always believed that I would go back to the Pack, seeing as how Thompson and McCarthy will likely be out of the league before Favre. But after reading posts by the majority of Packer fans on here (not you in particular, you actually seem to have a brain), I don’t think I want to be included in such a group of mindless neanderthals. Most of your brethren show a level of ignorance that knows no bounds, and I’m not so sure I want to be part of an undeniably ignorant fan base.
    Like I said before, it’s not all of you, but there are a lot more Bob Nelsons, Supersuckers, and packer4life’s out there than there are footballrulz and BeerCheeseSoups. I mean, read the previous posts, Pack fans are arguing with each other on here. I think maybe I’ll just root for Tebow next year, wherever he ends up.

  110. Chickenfoot says: Nov 9, 2009 6:34 PM

    Depack:
    I remember the 70′s and 80′s fondly—–The Packs glory years.
    That’s where this is heading. MM and TT are going nowhere, their contracts dictate that.
    If you know the stock is worthless an carries no voting power, why bring it up?
    It’s cool you support your team buy buying into it, but call it what it is, a donation to the team.

  111. kdawg says: Nov 9, 2009 7:23 PM

    TCH4ever says:
    November 9, 2009 4:13 PM
    Ultimately, my intention was to point out that Minnesota has not played anyone and when they did, they lost. So seeing as you did not catch that, I would have to say your post is “useless”. Next time I will try being a little more black and white for you. They have been tested in one game to date and did not come away victorious. What happens when you do that in the playoffs?
    There is still half the season left and I am sorry the Bucs arent in there…could have been one more 1-7 team to add to that resume.
    Ill take those easy wins and stay as healthy as possible. Favre and offense seems to be getting better every week as well. When push comes to shove I will take Favre’s years of experience over Bree’s in the playoffs any day! Still alot of football left and I dont see any flawless teams out there so who can predict anything at this point.

  112. Favredaze says: Nov 9, 2009 8:00 PM

    All these idiots who post about how bad the Pack would be with Brett. They talk about the lack of O-line,and a running back,but if I recall correctly that running back was awesome and deserved a big contract after his 1 season with Brett as his QB,and this is pretty much the same O-line people that Favre had in 2007.
    Hey Adam Chris
    I bet coach Mike will be a hot commodity when he leaves GB,I mean that impressive resume that he has.
    Hey Majik Man.
    I completly agree I used to consider myself amongst the greatest fans in the world. Which don’t mean blind alegiance to the laundry, blind alegiance makes you ignorant. It don’t mean that when the greatest player in your teams history plays somewhere else you treat him worse than you ever treated any other opponent. It doesn’t mean to cheer for Brett Favre wherever he goes makes you any less a Packers fan. I never considered myself anything but a Packers fan, but I do also consider myself a fan of Brett. I am also a fan of Johnny Unitas, Chad Ochocinco,Hines Ward, that does not make me any less a Packer fan, but after watching the fans of the Packers in majority boo Brett Favre I also wonder how do I put myself in such a STUPID,IGNORANT,DISRESPECTFUL bunch of people who will soon be crying and whining about how terrible the situation is that they have helped create. I can not associate with such low-lifes. The old saying is true. Lay down with dogs you will get fleas. So enjoy the fleas low lifes, cause I ain’t layin down with those dogs( TED AND MIKE)
    FIRE TED THOMPSON
    FIRE MIKE MCCARTHY
    DRAFT COLT MCCOY

  113. Supersuckers says: Nov 9, 2009 9:53 PM

    Oh Depack Depack. How DUMB can one be. I know I personally wouldnt “invest” in worthless stock. You did. Congrats on your bad decision. You own nothing. Now…pull your head out of your ass so we can all unite in turning this season around. Or, wish for losses which is a loser mentality. Your reply to this will tell if you have a loser mentality by mailing it in at 4-4 or have some dignity and pride and winner left in you to say LETS GET IT DONE. Its your call.
    PS All of us packer fans had a chacne to buy “shares” dirt cheap with no benefits. Some fell for it. Some didn’t. You claim you support your team because you area owner. LOLOLOL. You own nothing. You have a say in nothing. BUT..you believe you do and now you are rooting for the Vikings. point proven. Those “shares” would have been sold to Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein had they written the check.

  114. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Nov 10, 2009 4:08 PM

    Favredaze says:
    November 9, 2009 8:00 PM
    All these idiots who post about how bad the Pack would be with Brett. They talk about the lack of O-line,and a running back,but if I recall correctly that running back was awesome and deserved a big contract after his 1 season with Brett as his QB,and this is pretty much the same O-line people that Favre had in 2007.
    Hey Adam Chris
    I bet coach Mike will be a hot commodity when he leaves GB,I mean that impressive resume that he has.
    —————————–
    Right, that was exactly my point–that McCarthy is the end-all-be-all of NFL head coaches.. Yeah. A guy who can’t figure out how to mask the deficiences in his O-line in half a season. Yep, he’s terrific.
    Read the posts and stop putting words in my mouth.
    And now about your hint that this would be a much better team with Favre… Lay off the jimson weed. I can remember one season when Favre wasn’t getting a lot of support. 2005. And we all know how well Brett carried the team that year.
    Let it go. Favre wanted out of Green Bay and he got it. Ted Thompson did not have a diabolical plan to get Favre out of Green Bay and he didn’t force Favre’s retirement.

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