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Pereira admits error in Cowboys-Eagles game

When discussing earlier this week his team’s inability to win close games, Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb partially blamed the outcome of the most recent narrow loss on an officiating blunder on Sunday night against the Cowboys.

In the online-only bonus portion of his weekly “Official Review” segment on NFL Network’s Total Access, league V.P. of officiating Mike Pereira was candid regarding the decision via replay review not to move the ball after McNabb was stopped on a fourth-and-short quarterback sneak during the fourth quarter.

As Al Michaels and Cris Collinsworth pointed out during the NBC broadcast, the fact that the play occurred near the midfield Eagles logo made it easy for the referee to identify the precise spot at which the ball should have been placed in advance of a new measurement, in order to determine whether McNabb actually had earned a first down.

Pereira agreed.

“I think I’d move it,” Pereira told host Rich Eisen.  (Not to be confused with “I think it moved.”)

Pereira explained that there was enough evidence on the video to “establish a point” at which the ball could have been placed, in relation to the beak on the bird that has been painted on the grass. 

He also said that, without the logo present, the ball could not have been moved.  The presence of that point of reference made it easier to re-spot the ball, and then to bring the sticks back out.

“It might have made a difference,” Pereira conceded.

And, given the specific circumstances at the time, that might have made a difference in the outcome of the game.

As the league continues to search for the new Mike Pereira, we’re hopeful that the next guy has the same willingness to acknowledge areas in which the men in black and white can do a better job.

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  1. thestan says: Nov 12, 2009 7:42 AM

    Why did you wait until now to address this – have your NBC ties made the league’s B*tch?
    This was a clear injustice, and I’m just shocked that you didn’t write a piece about it.
    I understand that you get some calls, and some calls are going to go against you in a 16 regular season, but this was awful…
    Shame on you guys for not discussing a game changing call in an important game

  2. davidm1886 says: Nov 12, 2009 7:46 AM

    its about time this was at least brought up…it was obvious mcnabb had the first down. was certainly a huge call in the game but its in the past and the eagles have to move on from here. looking forward to the rematch with the cowboys, should be another close game with them.

  3. J says: Nov 12, 2009 7:56 AM

    this Pereira is just the fall guy for the NFL. The NFL tries as hard as they can to effect the outcome/winners of games without making it to obvious. With all the $ involded in the NFL the NFL cheats through “bad calls”. Its become more and more as the years have gone. At this rate expect the NFL to look like WWE wrestling in a few years. By the way what is the def. of roughing the QB? Notice how they “selectively” make that call…

  4. chapnasty says: Nov 12, 2009 7:58 AM

    The Philadelphia Chapter of the NAACP contacted Pereria and told him they would protest him if he didn’t admit this. Despite the fact that again there was no way to determine if McNabbs elbow, that no one but Jesus himself could see, was down or where it went down making it inconclusive and therby making it against the rules to move the ball. This is typical McNabb crying and getting his way. He is an embarassment.

  5. John Cittebart says: Nov 12, 2009 7:58 AM

    Once again.
    Please ask Pereira for the rule which governs this issue!!!!!!!!!!
    Pereira said that, “without the logo present, the ball could not have been moved.”
    That is one big idiotic statement!
    He’s saying that if the same play occurred right on top of a hash mark or 10-yard line, these marks could not be used as a point of reference to move the ball?
    These marks were invented to position the ball — and used all the time to properly place the ball on the field.

  6. Davio says: Nov 12, 2009 8:13 AM

    So very true the outcome of games is determined by the officiating crew: roughing the passer, pass interference, holding, etc. Good teams are always the benefactors of favorable calls, while teams with bad records get all the flags, no matter what is plain and evident. Players are paid a lot of money so they won’t “throw” games; but the refs…ah, that’s another story for another day.

  7. the big katt says: Nov 12, 2009 8:15 AM

    Freakin Eagle whiners. You are as bad as the Giant fans who want every call. You beat by a better team, no single call makes a game. In fact, spend your time whinning about a lack of running game, weak linebackers and an inaccurarrate QB.

  8. Bleed Green says: Nov 12, 2009 8:23 AM

    Hey that’s cool, it was only a division game… who cares?
    If officials needs logos to see where the ball should be spotted, it’s time the league starts adding logos or hash marks as mandatory all over the field… which would suck. I’d rather have better officials, who Jerry Jones doesn’t pay off every week.
    I’m not saying that the Eagles deserved the win, they played terribly… but each call is each call, and that one could have really made a difference in the outcome. I was there, and you could feel the deflation when the ball was turned over there.
    My two (fake) theories:
    1. JJ pays off the officials each week to make calls against the birds
    2. The league is fixed and Andy Reid thinks he’s above it (like everything) and doesn’t play along, so the officials punish the team with penalties and bad spots to change the outcome.
    Of course it’s not that Reid is too fat to get there in time to see the plays and is breathing too heavy to hear the recommendations on challenges from the booths above… Definitely not that he is too stubborn to ever adjust his game plan and gets beaten at the line of scrimmage more often than not this year… no, none of that.
    I need my birds to get their shit together.

  9. Krow says: Nov 12, 2009 8:28 AM

    big katt… seriously … get a dictionary… or a spell checker. Your posts make you look like a moron.

  10. Popeye says: Nov 12, 2009 8:30 AM

    Can you guys see this >

  11. nochance says: Nov 12, 2009 8:32 AM

    chapnasty, despite what al michaels or collinsworth said about there being no way of telling whether mcnabb’s left elbow had touched the ground or not in actuality one of the replays NBC showed, before they went to commercial, a clear view, I’m guessing it was from an endzone camera, of his elbow not touching the ground. I can understand the error because the announcers ran with that theory and because it sounds like you hate mcnabb/ the eagles but there was a clear view that if anything supports the argument that the wrong call was made. And no I’m not Jesus.

  12. Ice says: Nov 12, 2009 8:40 AM

    Pereira is more than the V.P. of officiating, he is basically the ambassador of the referees. If the guy who replaces him isn’t as honest and available to the media the league will be missing out on a big time opportunity.

  13. FireJerryJones says: Nov 12, 2009 8:42 AM

    Bring out the cryin’ towels.
    Make a play.
    Beat the Raiders.
    Get a running back that won’t tap dance around the line of scrimmage.
    This was a home game for the Eagles. They should’ve been up by ten at this point in the game.
    When you leave it up to the refs to win the game for you, you’d better look in the mirror.

  14. dr.g says: Nov 12, 2009 8:45 AM

    Did Periera also mention that the referees should have thrown a flag on what was CLEARLY pass interference on Samuels in the endzone when he grabbed Roy Williams arm?

  15. chapnasty says: Nov 12, 2009 8:45 AM

    @ nochance
    I didn’t see any endzone view that showed what you are saying, not saying it didn’t exist, just didn’t see it. I don’t really see how either endzone would be able to supply a replay of a play at the 50 yard line of a guy falling to the ground in the middle of a pile but if it does exist then I would say I was wrong. Clearly by the view of his ball hand he had the first down. So either you are really jesus and had a super camera replay or I havent seen it. On another note, you are the first person to debate the theory and make sense. Thank you.

  16. russrpm says: Nov 12, 2009 8:48 AM

    The officiating in this game was truly bad, but let’s not pretend it was one sided. The non-call for pass interference in the end zone against Samuels represented a 4 point swing that might have put the game out of reach. Bad officiating affected both teams in this game, it just got the Eagles last.

  17. davidm1886 says: Nov 12, 2009 8:49 AM

    # the big katt says: November 12, 2009 8:15 AM
    Freakin Eagle whiners. You are as bad as the Giant fans who want every call. You beat by a better team, no single call makes a game. In fact, spend your time whinning about a lack of running game, weak linebackers and an inaccurarrate QB.
    theres a big difference between arguing “calls” and arguing about challenges in my opinion…..calls like penalties and what not in a game the refs are gonna mess up and sht happens but a CHALLENGE should never be messed up. its there to fix referee errors and if a challenge is fd up we have a right to be mad about it. especially in such a game changing situation

  18. mrbelk says: Nov 12, 2009 8:51 AM

    Is it only a bad call if it doesn’t go your way? I don’t hear anything from the Iggles fanbase about the blatant PI against RW11 in the endzone at the end of the first half that wasn’t called; or the ridiculous offensive PI against Witten where he simply untangled his arms from Mikell’s defensive holding.
    Simple truth is that there are missed calls every game on both sides of the ball. If the officials correctly call that PI against Samuel on RW11 in the 2nd Qtr, the Cowboys probably punch it in and it makes the spot call in the 4th Qtr moot.

  19. Quagmire says: Nov 12, 2009 8:51 AM

    Bad calls usually even out…you can’t dwell on them.
    McNabb missed on some passes that did more damage than that call.

  20. The Michael says: Nov 12, 2009 8:52 AM

    Who gives a piss about what this V.P. of officiating says. Would he have called Pass Interference against the Eagles on Roy Williams when he was in the end zone basically being hog tied? Or, on that 1st challenge that Obese Reid had, moved the ball back a couple of yards like it should have been?
    Just saying, everyone’s worried about this one call, when there were others that should have been made in favor of the Cowboys. They didn’t get them, and still won the game.

  21. Inigo Montoya says: Nov 12, 2009 9:03 AM

    @ J: Listen, just because you lost a couple wagers this week on some bad calls doesn’t mean the league is fixed. If you really believe the league and/or games are fixed:
    a) quit wagering on the games (only people who wager on these games claim they are fixed)
    b) don’t watch on Sundays
    @ Eagles fans: You lost the game because Sheldon Brown got destroyed on a double move by Miles Austin and because Andy Reid couldn’t manage the clock properly in a close game. Don’t pin the game on the officials. You sound like whiners.

  22. VoxVeritas says: Nov 12, 2009 9:06 AM

    Sorry girls, but calls made on the field will never be overturned without incontrovertible evidence. Thee Eagirls didn’t lose the game because they weren’t awarded that first down… they lost the game because Andy Reid’s an idiot. They lost the game because Tony Romo pump-faked three DBs out of their jocks for a long TD pass.
    SO… anybody wanna talk about the blatant pass interference that Asante Samuel committed in the end zone? Yeah I didn’t think so. That’s a 4 point swing that would have made the McNabb non-first down moot. And I didn’t even bring up the bush league attempt to homer the clock on the Cowboys inside the final two minutes of the game. And neither did you, Florio, you pinnacle of fairness. Cowboys overcame the refs and homer idiots to win that game, big time. All that’s left for you and Lowbrow Nation is to dry those little girl tears and move on.

  23. BradyGazelle says: Nov 12, 2009 9:23 AM

    I think the obvious solution to this “problem” is to put a logo on the entire playing field to make spotting the ball a piece of cake for the officials after a replay.

  24. Cerberus says: Nov 12, 2009 9:29 AM

    J, you hit the nail on the head. In fact, I will probably discontinue my NFL Sunday Ticket after this season, because I don’t like the officials deciding who wins. Whether it is a poor spot on McNabb’s run, the officials constantly over-ruling Andy Reid’s challenges, to the Tuck Game, Pittsburgh’s wrong coin flip call, etc.
    When I was younger I actually got to watch men play football. Now I get to watch zebras determine who is going to win. Just think about it. Taking Louis Murphy’s TD away in Week 1 cost the Raiders a game against the Chargers, Hoculi cost the Chargers a game against the Donks last year, and what about the call this year with the first down where the ball didn’t even reach the marker?
    The NFL has become big business, and they are now trying to deliver the product they think will sell the best. Kind of like the Patriots “winning” the SB after 9/11! Sure, the refs had to throw the game against the Raiders one week, and then let the Pats advance a blocked punt with an illegal forward lateral the next week.
    Wake up people, the powers to be are ruining our national past-time.

  25. stevemcguigan says: Nov 12, 2009 9:35 AM

    Vox, so you (A) think they made the right call in the first place and (B) think they were right in not overturning it?

  26. Bill In DC says: Nov 12, 2009 9:38 AM

    ROFL, @ Eagles fans who jump on this with the trite ‘this call cost us the game’. They are participating in the oldest logical fallacy in football.
    That being that every play in a game would proceed exactly as it did if the result of one play is changed. It isn’t possible to predict what the outcome of future plays would be if that play was changed. Therefore it is erroneous to make a claim that ‘we would have won’ if the Eagles had made the 1st down. The game would have proceeded differently for sure, but, no one can say with any credibility that the end result would have been different.

  27. Givner says: Nov 12, 2009 9:38 AM

    So is Mike Pereira saying that every field in the NFL needs to be covered in Eagles logos to make it easier to place the ball? Oh dear. Dude, there are over 100 lines in the field already and you have high def replay … you should be able to figure out exactly which blade of grass the ball should be placed on. It was a big call but the Eagles still let the Cowboys into the endzone … although it did look like Pereira himself was the one covering Austin on his TD.

  28. akuehn713 says: Nov 12, 2009 9:50 AM

    “He also said that, without the logo present, the ball could not have been moved. The presence of that point of reference made it easier to re-spot the ball, and then to bring the sticks back out.”
    What the F are the hash marks for then? They need to paint hash marks in the middle of the field if the existing ones aren’t helpful in determining ball placement.

  29. VoxVeritas says: Nov 12, 2009 9:59 AM

    “Vox, so you (A) think they made the right call in the first place and (B) think they were right in not overturning it?”
    I’m not sure about A but I’m positive about B.

  30. SmackMyVickUp says: Nov 12, 2009 10:08 AM

    The officiating in this game was truly bad, but let’s not pretend it was one sided. The non-call for pass interference in the end zone against Samuels represented a 4 point swing that might have put the game out of reach. Bad officiating affected both teams in this game, it just got the Eagles last.

  31. Cowboy22 says: Nov 12, 2009 10:09 AM

    First,
    Why did he not mention not being able to see McNabb’s right elbow? It you can’t see it, you can’t know if it is down.
    Second,
    Go ahead and give’em the first down…..right after you call the pass interference on Roy Williams in the end zone. By my count, that give’s the Cowboys 4 more points on the board at the end of the game. Hell you can even give the Eagles a TD on the 4th down drive. The game is 24-23 Cowboys instead of 20-16 Cowboys. I don’t think the Eagles get more credit for a 1 point loss than a 4 point loss.

  32. HappyBunny says: Nov 12, 2009 10:13 AM

    Game changer, huh?
    Hmmm…I would consider those balls McNabb threw into the dirt to be equally game changers.

  33. Patrian says: Nov 12, 2009 10:14 AM

    1) Even if they were awarded the first down, they would have had to do something with it.
    2) If we are going to address poor calls, the pass interference on Roy Williams that was plainly missed would have SURELY set up a score from the 1 yard line.
    SO you have one error that COULD have MAYBE helped the Eagles and another error that almost CERTAINLY would have resulted in a Cowboys score.

  34. chunky soupy sales says: Nov 12, 2009 10:19 AM

    Bill in DC has it exactly right.
    What if the Eagles had been given the call. So that automatically leads to an Eagle TD? What if it automatically lead to an Eagles turnover on the next play that was automatically turned into a Cowboys TD? You don’t know, do you?
    For all of you crying ” Jerry pays the refs” I wonder why he hasn’t paid them to break the play-off drought? See how stupid you guys sound?

  35. VickIsNoQB says: Nov 12, 2009 10:19 AM

    Please STOP already…we know both sides had bad calls against them. It happens every week. Simple fact is that you still need to score TDs to win. Fat Andy kicking a FG down 7 with 4 min left with no TOs left was the bonehead call of the game. They still needed to score 7 to win. Why not try to tie the game on the 4th and 11?
    Florio has really shown his true colors – a cowboy hater. He’s a little geek too.

  36. AirlineGuy says: Nov 12, 2009 10:27 AM

    The Eagles had 3 plays to get less than 1 yard for the first down. They failed on 2 of them, and yes it looks like the spot was wrong on the 3rd one. HOWEVER, they were more than 6 inches short of the first down. So even if the ball had been moved, there is still a chance it still wasn’t a first down.
    The only difference would have been one timeout left for Andy, but Dallas was able to pick up first downs on that last drive when needed, so even that benefit could be argued.
    The crux of it all is that one play didn’t cost the Eagles the game. There were plenty of chances for them to win, and there were bad calls against both teams. Dallas made the plays that needed to be made to win the game.
    Eagles fans should worry less about that single bad call, and wonder more why Reid didn’t let the FB who was getting 6 yards every time he touched the ball run it 3 straight times? On one of those that big body should have picked up 2 feet.

  37. Robert Paulson says: Nov 12, 2009 11:08 AM

    I’m not really one to think games or fixed or refs are paid off….but….on the play in question the ref behind the play (who really has no honest way of knowing) runs up and places his foot to spot the ball well short of where is obviously was, as another ref running in from the side (the one who had the best vantage point) wanting to spot the ball where the play actually ended. You can see a very quick conference between the two, and the WTF? The guy who couldn’t see what really happened makes the spot? Really, logic dictates that the guy looking down the line who can actually see the ball and the ballcarrier should be the final say as opposed to the guy who can’t see the ball through the bodies, or the yardage line, due to having no angle whatsoever to determine such a thing.

  38. Robert Paulson says: Nov 12, 2009 11:13 AM

    And by the way, shouldn’t the head ref have been piss tested after the game? Or maybe given some kind of cognition exam? I don’t think he made a single call the entire game without stammering, stuttering, misidentifying players, offending team or whatever. Dude was drunk or stoned, or maybe in the full on throes of alzheimers. And HES the one determining replays? Yikes.

  39. DJSlyBri says: Nov 12, 2009 11:24 AM

    The biggest joke of it all is if you look at the spot before the play and afterwards they marked it so that McNabb actually lost yards on the play, which was total nonsense.
    The game was a close one, yet Cowboys fans are acting like they blew the Eagles out and that winning such a game makes up for the 44-6 game. OK, if you say so.

  40. SkinsFanInNebraska says: Nov 12, 2009 11:25 AM

    Here’s the problem, and it has been forever:
    The NFL, a multi-billion dollar professional sports league, puts all of its games in the hands of a bunch of part-timer officials.
    The situation will NEVER improve until the NFL ponies up the resources to hire FULL TIME game officials. Period.

  41. jps_tex says: Nov 12, 2009 11:32 AM

    Just a quick question or 3….did anybody see the chains up against the so called ‘eagle’s beak’? We don’t even know if the ball was spotted there if it would have been a 1st down. When the chains came out, McNabb missed the 1st down by a foot. Did the ball really move a foot? Even if the ball was respotted it did not mean that it would have resulted in a 1st down.
    2nd question/observation…this kind of call happens all the time near the goal line. Referees stop the play on forward progress. If McNabb would have fumbled that ball right before he touched the ground do not even pretend to tell me that the refs would have called that a fumble.
    3rd question…what about the other reviewed call in which Reid challenged the spot? The refs had clearly marked the ball much closer to the 1st down than McCoy actually got, by almost a yard. The Eagles then decided to go for it because they only need 6 inches or so, but they in turn got a penalty. If that ball had been marked correctly after the review the Eagles might not have even lined up to go for it in their own territory.
    As far as Jerry Jones paying refs off Bleed Green…what are you 9 years old. Just take your ball and go home you football-ignorant moron.

  42. VoxVeritas says: Nov 12, 2009 11:38 AM

    Robert Paulson, no single ref sees everything that’s pertinent on a particular play like that in a pile of bodies.

  43. chunky soupy sales says: Nov 12, 2009 11:48 AM

    “The game was a close one, yet Cowboys fans are acting like they blew the Eagles out and that winning such a game makes up for the 44-6 game. OK, if you say so.”
    And if winning a game last year makes you feel all warm and fuzzy for losing a game this year, Good for you if you say so.
    It was a close game? That’s your victory? Last time I checked, you only have to win by one. But do cling to whatever comforts you in your loss.

  44. redsquare says: Nov 12, 2009 11:52 AM

    @Cerberus, you’re right and wrong about how things have changed in the NFL. You’re right that we used to be able to watch ‘men’ play the game.
    But it’s not the officials who are the problem. It’s that now these ‘men’ fail to execute on plays they should be making, and then whine about it to the press afterward. If the Eagles were ‘men’, they would have done what they needed to do to get that first down without question, and if they failed, they wouldn’t whine about it. If McNabb was a ‘man’, he would either make the play or take the responsibility.
    Officiating and replays have allowed hairs to be split finer than ever before. And now we have too many players and coaches leaning on that like a crutch. So we no longer have to punch it through for that first down or touchdown–we now just have to get within a millimeter so that we can get the call overturned on replay.
    The ‘men’ in the game have allowed themselves to become lazy and reliant on technology. The old game we used to love is still sitting there, waiting to be played. But too many of today’s players and coaches are aiming low and playing for the technology, and then making excuses if they fail.
    Men of the NFL: step up and make the plays!

  45. VoxVeritas says: Nov 12, 2009 11:59 AM

    “The game was a close one,”
    Not as close as the refs made it. Call the PI on Samuel before the half and the Cowboys get 4 extra points.
    “Cowboys fans are acting like they blew the Eagles out and that winning such a game makes up for the 44-6 game”
    Make up for it? As if that game has any bearing on this season. Don’t be stupid if you can help it. Fact is they went into a hostile environment and outplayed the home team on prime time national TV. Wade Phillips is 3-2 against the Eagirls since he’s been coaching the Cowboys.

  46. VoxVeritas says: Nov 12, 2009 12:17 PM

    After watching it again several times, I’ve come to the conclusion that if you give McNabb every inch of forward progress right up to the point where his right elbow hits the ground, he’s still short of the first down. When the refs measure, you can see that the line to get is a couple of inches beyond the very end of the white border of the logo. The ball is down an inch or two inside the logo if you go by where his right elbow touches the ground. Therefore, if you give him every inch right up to the point where the elbow touches the ground and ignore the fact that you can’t see the other elbow, the ball is placed closer to the line to get but it’s still short of a first down.

  47. jusford says: Nov 12, 2009 1:07 PM

    Unfortunatley for the Eagles, the sticks also advanced beyond the beak. The ref got it right.

  48. VickIsNoQB says: Nov 12, 2009 2:01 PM

    What a dope! Cost your team a win??? Don’t let the door hit you in the ass. Buh-bye.

  49. Bill In DC says: Nov 12, 2009 2:07 PM

    LOL @ SliKRiK
    “cowgirls special treatment!!! ”
    What special treatment would that be?
    Maybe the ignored PI on Williams at the half that cost them a TD?
    Maybe the ignored blatant holding on Spencer that allowed McNabb to complete a critical 3rd down pass on their TD drive (their ONLY TD I might add)?
    The other too numerous to recite ignored offensive pass interference, holding, etc?
    Bad calls were made and not made on both sides in that game, nobody got ‘special’ treatment
    “Calls like this cost my team a win on Sunday night.”
    Loser talk, pure and simple.
    You should stop watching the NFL, you clearly DON’T understand the game.

  50. ocelots138 says: Nov 12, 2009 2:41 PM

    # DJSlyBri says: November 12, 2009 11:24 AM
    The game was a close one, yet Cowboys fans are acting like they blew the Eagles out and that winning such a game makes up for the 44-6 game. OK, if you say so.
    ————
    They’re trying to make up for the collective butthurt they feel after the 44-6 emasculation, and think that a 4 point win = a 38 point drubbing.
    It’s the same kind of math that makes one infer that a SuperBowl ring 13 years ago still means something.

  51. SliKRiK says: Nov 12, 2009 3:11 PM

    its all good because the eagles and cowboys will meet again. The cowboys always collapse in December! f**k the cowboys and their fans!

  52. McBleezy says: Nov 12, 2009 3:31 PM

    Who cares, the Fagles would have been held to a field-goal anyways…..
    Non-issue….quit bitchin Fagles.

  53. McBleezy says: Nov 12, 2009 3:35 PM

    SliKRiK…..LOL@you
    such a simple-minded little Fagle lover.
    Get over it….you lost to the Raiders
    Dallas beat YOU in YOUR house.
    If the Fagles couldnt beat Dallas in Philly what makes your retarded ass think theyll beat them in Texas?
    20-16…..see you week 17

  54. McBleezy says: Nov 12, 2009 3:40 PM

    Ya Ocelot just like ZERO rings still means something…..
    Bath towel much? ahhhaha
    I HOPE you were at the Dallas-Fagles game.

  55. ocelots138 says: Nov 12, 2009 5:16 PM

    # McBleezy says: November 12, 2009 3:40 PM
    Ya Ocelot just like ZERO rings still means something…..
    Bath towel much? ahhhaha
    I HOPE you were at the Dallas-Fagles game.
    ——————
    Fagles? That’s clever and classy.
    Thank you, Dallas Public Education System!

  56. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Nov 12, 2009 5:41 PM

    NFL officials NEVER reposition the ball on review. Seriously, I’d like to see statistics on how often ball-position challenges are successful. It’s practically never.
    As opposed to this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1aEH2km9KM. He’s constantly positioning balls.

  57. Streetsmart says: Nov 12, 2009 5:57 PM

    Seriously you guys are just looking for excuses….The call didnt cost the Eagles points because there is no evidence that they would have scored a TD anyways. BUT Roy Williams was CLEARLY interfered with and it cost the Cowboys 4 points.
    So nice try Florio and Eagirls fans. But if the Eagles were so great they should have won the game out right and left it out of the hands of the officials.
    I wont even bring up the Raiders DESTROYING they Eagirls.
    And im not even a Cowboy fan, but the Cowboys were getting bad calls against them all night and were the best team on the field that night.

  58. McBleezy says: Nov 12, 2009 5:58 PM

    Yes…just like all those classy philly retards.
    Philly is the ass crack of the US…trust me.
    Been there….wil never go back

  59. Route36West says: Nov 12, 2009 8:09 PM

    It deffently would have had an outcome in the game. That single play effected to drives that benfited the cowboys. Not only did it give the cowboys the ball at mid field that set up a score for them but it also took a timeout away from the Eagles which cant be argued. Because even if the ball was moved and the Eagles still didnt get the first down they still would have won the challenge which wouldn’t have cost them there timeout. So it would have stopped the cowboys from running out the clock at the end of the game.
    Im not saying that mistake would have made the Eagles win but it deffently would have gave them a much better chance.

  60. chunky soupy sales says: Nov 12, 2009 10:09 PM

    Exactly how would it all stopped the cowboys from running out the clock at the end of the game?
    they got TWO first downs on that final drive. What assures that the Eagles could have stopped them at all?
    As folks have pointed out, the uncalled PI on Samuels in the endzone was pretty crucial, too.
    But only the losers cry over the Refs.

  61. VoxVeritas says: Nov 13, 2009 1:52 AM

    “Because even if the ball was moved and the Eagles still didnt get the first down they still would have won the challenge which wouldn’t have cost them there timeout”
    No… because you’re actually challenging whether the play resulted in a first down, not the actual spot of the ball. Same as the challenge on that McCoy catch, it was obvious on replay that the ball should have been spotted further back than it was, but either way it wasn’t a first down. That’s what was challenged, the challenge failed so the ball wasn’t respotted. If the ref had ruled that the play resulted in a first down he would have respotted the ball.
    Look at it again. With every inch of forward progress, the ball is still at the white border. When they measure, the stick is outside the white border.
    That wasn’t a first down any way you look at it.

  62. VoxVeritas says: Nov 13, 2009 1:54 AM

    “Exactly how would it all stopped the cowboys from running out the clock at the end of the game?”
    Good point, Barber averaged almost 8 yards per carry on that final possession.

  63. ocelots138 says: Nov 13, 2009 5:40 AM

    McBleezy says:
    November 12, 2009 5:58 PM
    Yes…just like all those classy philly retards.
    Philly is the ass crack of the US…trust me.
    Been there….wil never go back
    —————-
    We don’t want you here.
    Dumb redneck incest babies like yourself wouldn’t last a day in Philly.

  64. SliKRiK says: Nov 13, 2009 9:13 AM

    It’s all good I’m over it. The NFL’s officiating has been suspect, but it has been suspect for a lot of other games this year… It’s all due to the rule changes protecting the players and I’m all for protecting the players. Just because they messed up a call doesn’t mean the Eagles would have won the ball game since McNabb was missing receivers left and right… Anyways at the end of the day these guys are getting paid millions of dollars to play a child’s game and all of us here in this forum are spectators…
    The EAGLES will beat that Dallas Cowgirl ass on the last day of the season! Believe that!
    And I don’t care about any of the shit people left here about me… Bring it! I love talking shit! Anyways none of you bitch asses would ever be on my block because you don’t want no problems… p.s. all of you should check your spelling, reading is fundamental bitches!

  65. McBleezy says: Nov 13, 2009 1:03 PM

    Still LMAO@you SliKRiK. You truly are the poster boy for Fagle lovers.
    Ocelot…just tighten up that bath towel and enjoy the ride. Now excuse me while I tend to my son/nephew. HA idiot.

  66. VickIsNoQB says: Nov 13, 2009 3:33 PM

    McBleezy, what else can SliKRiK say? All he can do is look forward to the last game of the year in order for the eagirls to try to redeem themselves. Depending on how that goes, he’ll be looking forward to 2010, and on and on. Hopefully that game will actually mean something to Phila – Dallas might not even need the W by then.
    but wait…I thought he was done with the NFL?

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