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Tarvaris improves despite not playing

Back in June, when a sense of inevitability was growing regarding the eventual arrival of Brett Favre in Minnesota, plenty of players wanted to Vikings to stand pat with Tarvaris Jackson, the fourth-year quarterback who was benched last year after starting 0-2 and then returned to propel the team into the postseason.

But a sluggish performance in the franchise’s first home playoff game since 2000 caused coach Brad Childress to commence a search for someone else.  First, Sage Rosenfels arrived via a trade and then a contract that tied him to the team for three years, with Jackson signed only for one.

It appeared, however, that Jackson would be able to hold off Rosenfels, even if winning the starting job only meant that Jackson would be in position to be benched in September, again.  After Favre said in late July that he would remain retired, an injury to Jackson in the early stages of training camp made the identity of the opening-day starter less clear.

Until Favre stepped way out of character.  And changed his mind.

Talk of some players preferring Jackson persisted, resulting in an ESPN report of a “schism” that, in time, ESPN would come to openly mock. 

Then, once Favre hit the field and fit right in and the team starting winning, everyone got on the same page.  Including Jackson.

And if Jackson is concealing his consternation, he’s doing a great job of keeping it concealed.

“Whenever you can play with a future Hall of Famer, it’s always a great
, even though you’re not playing,” Jackson said recently, according to Judd Zulgad of the Minneapolis Star Tribune.  “I’m still a team
player, we’re 7-1, we have a chance to win a championship.  What else do
you want?  I’d love to be the starting quarterback in that situation,
but whenever you can get a ring, you take it.”

As we’ve previously heard, Jackson still could be the quarterback of the future in Minnesota, even if Favre decides to return for 2010.  “I don’t think there’s any question that he’s grown,” coach Brad Childress said of Jackson.  “You can’t quantify it and say, ‘Well, he got 300 more snaps or
anything like that,’ but I’ve seen good things happen.”

To his credit, Jackson realizes that Favre wouldn’t be there if Jackson had taken better advantage of his opportunities.

“It was Coach’s decision to bring [Favre] in,” Jackson said.  “I couldn’t do anything
about that situation, but last year I could have played better early in
the season and it might have been a whole different situation.”

Actually, if Jackson had played better in the playoffs, it would have been a different situation, too.  A win over the Eagles would have sent the Vikings to Charlotte for the divisional round, and Arizona to the Meadowlands.  Even if the Vikings hadn’t been able to force Jake Delhomme into six turnovers, setting up a likely Minnesota-New York showdown for a Super Bowl berth, Jackson’s success in getting the team beyond the wild-card round might have prompted Childress to make a long-term commitment to Jackson.

Given that Childress ventured far onto a limb when making the former I-AA signal-caller a second-round pick in 2006, it wouldn’t be a complete shock if the Vikings find a way to keep Jackson around.  Absent a new labor deal, he’ll be a restricted free agent in 2010.  The ability to keep Jackson off the open market would provide a good opportunity to dangle a moderately-sized contract in the hopes of nailing him down for the long haul.

Regardless of how it all turns out, Jackson has impressed us more by not playing than he ever did while on the field.  And we’ve got a feeling that he’ll still make a contribution this year, even if it comes in punt formation.

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  1. LBPACKFAN says: Nov 14, 2009 10:32 AM

    Tarvaris – be prepared to start soon……………

  2. leatherneck says: Nov 14, 2009 10:38 AM

    Vikings fan here.
    Jackson has been through a lot as a Viking. He’s had a great deal of competition for the job even as a young player. He has survived to be the #2 quarterback behind a future Hall of Famer.
    Throughout his entire tenure with the Vikings, while getting ripped, fairly or not, by fans, he has never complained. He has never thrown a teammate under the bus. He has never publicly demanded more playing time. He has always made it clear he wants to play and he wants to win, but he is a teammate first.
    Coming out of a small school, his quarterback skills have developed. For a lot of quarterbacks, the light comes on sometime in year four as a pro. Jackson is a fourth year pro, but we haven’t seen him in action much this season because he is the backup. We fans don’t know if the light is coming on for him.
    There are only about five quarterbacks in the history of the NFL who won their first playoff game. Most quarterbacks lose their first playoff game.
    One test of character is adversity. In the Eagles playoff game, after suffering some adversity, including the pick-6, Jackson hung in there mentally, and kept playing hard. He always plays with a strong competitive fire. He has steadily improved as a quarterback. He does a good job of protecting the ball, too.
    I’m glad the Vikings have Tarvaris Jackson. I hope he signs a new multi-year deal with the Vikings.

  3. dakotah says: Nov 14, 2009 10:38 AM

    The knowledge that you can be replaced serves as a powerful motivator in many fields of endeavor. Hopefully T Jackson will take better advantage if/when he gets another chance.

  4. Bun McSticky says: Nov 14, 2009 10:39 AM

    The guy has gotten a bit of a bad rap. If you look at his career stats, they are a lot better than you’d think they’d be considering all the grief he’s taken.
    He’s got excellent physical tools…and his attitude has always been team oriented and he works hard. If somehow the light bulb goes on for him learning behind Favre, he could surprise sometime in the near future.

  5. PervyHarvin says: Nov 14, 2009 10:42 AM

    Yep, Jackson should relish and take advantage of getting to watch and practice with one of the best qb’s to ever play the game. How many of us would love to be able to hang and learn with the best at what ever it is we do? I could fish with Al Lindner, rulz could play pool with Willie Mosconi. BobNelson could drink with Bluto Blutarsky. You get the drift.

  6. JimmySmith says: Nov 14, 2009 10:46 AM

    “setting up a likely Minnesota-New York showdown for a Super Bowl berth”
    Hey Mike,
    You should sell your business interest in PFT and get a job writing for the Comedy Channel because this is one of the funniest posts ever.
    Ya, if pigs could fly. T Jack Off is on the bench for a just one reason, he sucks. If Childress were such a genius, you think Ziggy would lock him up with a 5 year contract to insure he is the coach when it comes time to move to LA.
    The Vikings have remained consistent in one area, they choke in the playoffs. This year will be no exception.

  7. SmackMyVickUp says: Nov 14, 2009 10:53 AM

    He is making a lot of money to warm the pine, he would be an idiot to complain. As a likely free agent he just needs to play cool and wait for a bigger contract to be handed to him.

  8. DocBG says: Nov 14, 2009 11:09 AM

    Before learning about the stuff with Tjacks son last year, I kinda figured that watching a guy like Gus would be good for him in the long run, simply because Gus did make mistakes, but kept playing and overcame them during the course of the game (most of the time). TJ’s got the arm, he’s got the mobility and the athleticism, he needs the mental part and work on his accuracy. If sitting on the bench watching Favre gets him that and we wind up with a decent to great Franchise QB out of the deal, all the better for us.
    You just have to wonder where Rosenfels fits in to all of it. was he just here to push TJ, or did chilly see him as an honest starter if need be? the guy could have started just fine imho.

  9. bustabloodvessel says: Nov 14, 2009 11:18 AM

    The guy has class, and talent to go along with it. Look at his record, and you will see he has won more games than he has lost. Let the kid learn for the rest of the year, and put him in the lineup as the starter next season. If he goes to another team, Vikings fans everywhere will be wishing he was still in Minny.

  10. Bob Loblaw says: Nov 14, 2009 11:20 AM

    Wow, LBPACKFAN, that’s twice today you’ve had the first response. Must be sitting at your computer hitting F5 waiting for a Viking or Packer story.
    As far as Jackson, just watching the shots of Favre on the sideline during games, they seem to a good rapport, joke around and discuss what’s going on in the game. It seems Tavaris has welcomed his role as the back-up. Hopefully he’s picking Favre’s brain as far as what he sees.
    Rosenfels, on the other hand, seems to have an icy relationship with Favre. Reminds me of Aaron Rogers interactions with Favre as far as feeling like he’s the guy ruining his dreams of being the starter, and not a teammate and the leader of the offense.

  11. mike says: Nov 14, 2009 11:24 AM

    So what your saying is even T Jack looks good playing against the Minn secondary in practice?

  12. vikings rule says: Nov 14, 2009 11:37 AM

    @Pervy Harvin Dude you must be high… i’m a life long Vikings Fan & Brent isn’t even the best Qb to play for the Vikings…he couldn’t carry Moons Jock….Yea i’m enjoying the ride dispite the fact that we have Gay Bays used up garbage driving the bus but you people need to get a grip

  13. Wiscdave says: Nov 14, 2009 11:38 AM

    Jackson has been ripped, often unfairly, by idiots like JimmySmith who only want something to complain about while they drink their 3.2 beer. Jackson seems to have taken his “demotion” as a learning opportunity. He may also have taken teammates’s comments to heart, like those of Pat Williams. More importantly, when you read his comments and those of other Vikings’ players, you see that there is whining, backbiting, or me-me-me. This is a team with character, like the teams of the late 60’s and the 70’s. Will they go farther? We’ll see, and I know that I’ll enjoy every minute whatever the outcome.
    By the way, Florio, have you finally learned how to pronounce “Tavaris?” I told you to ask Paul Allen. You obviously didn’t, and he corrected you on the air.

  14. Fan_Of_ Four says: Nov 14, 2009 11:45 AM

    Great post Leatherneck.

  15. Wiscdave says: Nov 14, 2009 11:48 AM

    Correction: I meant to say there is NO whining, backbiting, or me-me-me.

  16. bluestree says: Nov 14, 2009 11:50 AM

    “SmackMyVickUp says:
    November 14, 2009 10:53 AM
    He is making a lot of money to warm the pine, he would be an idiot to complain. As a likely free agent he just needs to play cool and wait for a bigger contract to be handed to him.”
    Why wouldn’t T Jack just stay in Minny and take the reins from Farve when he retires? Maybe it’s because having been with the team a few years he know’s how Minnesotans really feel about the franchise. This is from Matt Rothchild of the Pioneer Press;
    “Zygi Wilff is a brilliant exploiter of Brett Favre and Minnesota taxpayers. Favre and the taxpayers don’t appear aware of what’s really going on out there. Then again, maybe Favre does realize he’s being pimped by Wilff, revealing this knowledge with his comment about returning to “win one more Super Bowl”. At least he gets $12 million out of it. The taxpayers? Screwed again by greedy scum.”
    Packer fans always comment on Vikes fans posting all over Packers news. Check out Minnesota media like the Pioneer Press. There’s nobody on it! They come to Packer sites because there are actual people there who care about football enough to respond to their posts! A city ten times the population of Green Bay and they can’t get a stadium. Sad. Cue the Mayflower trucks.

  17. SFrancis1680 says: Nov 14, 2009 11:55 AM

    we won’t know if he has improved until he’s out there playing, but if CHILLY said it, that’s good enough for you FLORIO? was CHILLY dressed as a stewerdess, when he said it?

  18. Choirdrunk says: Nov 14, 2009 11:56 AM

    The big takeaway I get from this post is that no one’s reputation has taken a greater uptick this year than Childress’.
    From popular opinion holding he’s an utterly predictable, in-over-his-head seat warmer to, now, people realistically thinking he could be the next coach to hoist the Lombardi. All his moves that met with stiff resistance (e.g., T. Jack, going after Favre) are now met with applause.

  19. Fan_Of_ Four says: Nov 14, 2009 11:58 AM

    I’m really curious ? What will all the jilted Packer Fans say if Favre does end up winning it all ? What kind of crap will you spew then ?
    It’s either, you will choke or you have never won a super Bowl, they haven’t come up with an original dig in decades.
    Yes the odds of winning it all are high, a good season doesn’t mean squat just ask the Patriots but their chances are a fk of a lot better than Green Bays and the Vikings are a Team on the rise while the Packers are clearly headed in the wrong direction under Thompson and McCarthy.
    Favre and the Vikings winning it all will be a dagger that no Packer Fan will be able to forget just like the 4th and 26. What will you say then ?

  20. VoxVagina says: Nov 14, 2009 12:03 PM

    Right… so if Jackson led the Vikings over a hot Eagles team for his first career playoff game, the Vikings would have beaten the Panthers, Giants, gone to the Super Bowl, won it, and Jackson would go on to have a hall of fame career. Don’t be stupid, Mike. There are always hypothetical situations. Say Burress never shot himself. The Giants would have likely gone on to repeat and would probably by better than 5-4 right now. Say the Eagles came back against the Cardinals and made it to the Superbowl for a chance to win their first title. The point is, you can’t predict things that will never happen. The past is the past and you can’t change what’s already happened

  21. PervyHarvin says: Nov 14, 2009 12:28 PM

    vikings rule says:
    November 14, 2009 11:37 AM
    @Pervy Harvin Dude you must be high… i’m a life long Vikings Fan & Brent isn’t even the best Qb to play for the Vikings…he couldn’t carry Moons Jock….Yea i’m enjoying the ride dispite the fact that we have Gay Bays used up garbage driving the bus but you people need to get a grip
    You,lil buddy are making yourself look like an uninformed NFL mind. Brett isn’t one of the greatest?? Most anylists would say you are HIGH!!
    He has been proving that he is the best quarterback ever since he was in Green Bay. His stats simply back up how great he is.
    Favre is very consistent; after his rookie season with the Atlanta Falcons he has never thrown less than 3,000 yards. Also Favre is the only one with 277 consecutive starts in any position, and he is the most accurate passer among those with at least 6,000 attempts. His rating is 61.8 percent.
    Not only that, but he has also thrown more touchdowns than any other quarterback. His record is 480 – and counting.
    They are all great quarterbacks, but let’s take a close look at these players’ careers. Joe Montana won four Super Bowls and was clutch in big situations.If you look at stats, Favre blows Montana away in basically every passing category. Montana never threw for 4,000 yards in a season, something Favre has done five times. Also don’t forget Montana had one of the best wide receivers to ever play the game in Jerry Rice. Favre has played with no- name receivers throughout his career.
    The only player that comes close to Favre is Dan Marino. He is usually discounted because he never won a Super Bowl. However, that has nothing to do with him being a great quarterback.
    Marino did hold records for most completions, yards and attempts. However, Favre has surpassed all these records.
    Take away Favre’s lone Super Bowl, and just look at the stats. Favre is the most consistent and has broken every important record.
    Glad I could educate you on football, bills in the mail.

  22. Franchise says: Nov 14, 2009 12:34 PM

    So many corrections to make here.
    1. Jackson will not return to the Vikings. They handed Sage a healthy contract, and its not to be the #3 guy for 3 years. If Favre returns for another year, Jackson is DEFINATELY gone. If Favre leaves, the Vikes will either draft a QB, of find another arm, or both.
    2. Bob Loblaw, do you watch whats happens on the sidelines during the game? When Favre is studying game pics, its Sage who is with him, not Jackson. The only time Jackson is with Brett is after the game walking to the lockerroom. You would THINK a guy that needs to learn like Jackson would be looking over Favre’s shoulder any chance he gets, listening and taking notes, but that is not the case.
    3. Vikings Rule, Favre is the best QB to wear purple. Get over it. 3 MVPs, numerous NFL records, and something your boy Moon doesn’t have, a ring on his finger. Stack up Favre’s career to any other NFL QB, he is one of the best ever.
    I personally would like to see Jackson resigned, but the guy isnt a starting QB in this league. That said, I dont see the Vikings having alot of cash stuck in 2 guys (Jackson and Sage) to sit on the bench.

  23. footballrulz says: Nov 14, 2009 12:35 PM

    Classic Pervy, classic.

  24. footballrulz says: Nov 14, 2009 12:40 PM

    Which side of your face are you talking out of today Ms Fan_of_Four?

  25. PervyHarvin says: Nov 14, 2009 12:43 PM

    @ vikings rule – My bad,meant NFL analyst. Knew the spelling police were coming to get me!

  26. bluestree says: Nov 14, 2009 12:51 PM

    @ Pervy Harvin
    “Joe Montana won four Super Bowls and was clutch in big situations.If you look at stats, Favre blows Montana away in basically every passing category. ”
    Yeah, except for winning Super Bowls (Super Joe never lost), and being clutch in big situations (lost all but two playoff games since 1998).
    The one stat you don’t mention where he really blows Montana away….INT’s.
    Classic Pervy, classic.

  27. Mr High and Mighty says: Nov 14, 2009 12:51 PM

    The improvement is that he is on the bench.
    I wonder what life is like for guys like LBPACKFAN these days. These guys have nothing better to do than to voice their hope that the Vikings fall apart as loudly as they possibly can. I wonder if they realize that it just makes what’s happening that much better.
    Aaron Rodgers is the second-coming of Daunte Culpepper. Good arm and good speed but completely incapable of reading a defense and only throws to men who are wide open. Never throws to a guy coming out of a break. Needs at least 3 yards of separation to make a throw for fear of throwing a pick. Fills up a boxscore quite nicely but when you watch them play you have to think “They came up with a mathematical formula that classifies that as a good performance? What a waste of time”. The one thing Culpepper had on Rodgers was that he wasn’t quite as concerned with his stats and that’s why he would actually throw the ball away from time to time rather than taking a sack when standing 4 feet from the sideline like Rodgers routinely does.

  28. jenscharlson says: Nov 14, 2009 12:54 PM

    I have to say that, even though my outlook for Tarvaris is not the greatest, I do believe he has handled himself like a professional. I am just not convinced he will ever be able to sit back in the pocket and comprehend everything that is thrown his way from opposing defenses, especially playoff caliber defenses.
    With that being said I do like him as the Vikings backup QB. I would like to see the team sign him to an extension roughly in the same ballpark size of a contract that they gave to Sage Rosenfels, 2 years at $4.5 million per season.
    I am just going to enjoy this ride we are on because this is one hell of a team with Favre as QB. The most complete Viking team I have ever seen (have watched roughly every Viking game since 1985) and that includes the incredible 1998 team.
    So Tarvaris enjoy this ride as well because my intuition tells me you will never be in command of a team like this with you as the starting QB.
    Just stay professional, make millions of dollars and be a part of the greatest sport in the world that only a few are capable of doing…
    That, for you Tarvaris Jackson, should not be that hard to do.

  29. PervyHarvin says: Nov 14, 2009 12:55 PM

    @ rulz- Figured you may dig Willy. He was pretty good! Or Minnesota Fats lol

  30. PervyHarvin says: Nov 14, 2009 1:05 PM

    @ bluestree – LOL Knew some one would bring that up! Joe was great. As was Bradshaw and others.

  31. footballrulz says: Nov 14, 2009 1:06 PM

    Either one, Pervy, could learn a great deal.

  32. PurpleRaid12 says: Nov 14, 2009 1:10 PM

    Leatherneck, great post I agree 100%
    JimmySmith, I thought you and I had a wager? your not supposed to post on here for a month you jackass. Sackers lost to the Buccaneers, get off!

  33. LBPACKFAN says: Nov 14, 2009 1:11 PM

    Fan_Of_Four —
    Get over it already. “What will the Packer fans say?”
    Not one Packer post before your idiotic “what will they say…” crap.
    Shut up and enjoy the season.

  34. footballrulz says: Nov 14, 2009 1:21 PM

    @ bluestree
    I’m sure you know I’m a Pack fan. Pervy knows I’m a pool fan. I know Pervy likes to fish. I was referring to Pervy’s post re: TJac learning from Favre, him fishin with Lindner & me playing with Mosconi.
    Although the education post was pretty good too. Moon better than Favre? Child please.
    ALso, if you would like to read a good discussion on why Favre is the INT king read Mr High & Mighty’s compariosn to Rodgers & Culpepper. Personally, I don’t think Aaron is as concerned about stats as everyone thinks he is. I just think he watched Favre see so many plays open up late he keeps waiting for that to happen and foolishly holds the ball too long.
    The difference with Favre is knew where his receivers were SUPPOSED to be and would often make a pass without seeing his receivers. Although he hit many more than he didn’t, this habit does lead to INT’s. I’ll take the INT’s along with all the other records. Wouldn’t you?
    Aaron’s problem is he has to see his target and assure there is separation. The one part of his game that he needs to work on is timing with his receivers and having the ball arrive when they make their break. Of course since MM insists on throwing the damn ball 25 or 30 yards down the field on every other play, coupled with the fact that Rodgers can’t take 2 steps without having his & the opposing lineman in his way, timing is kinda hard to get.

  35. PurpleRaid12 says: Nov 14, 2009 1:26 PM

    “Shut up and enjoy the season”
    The Vikings fans are enjoying the season. Are you?

  36. bluestree says: Nov 14, 2009 1:40 PM

    @Mr High and Mighty; disagree with your take on A Rodg and Pep. Pep only ever read half the field, and that was only possible because of Moss. True, Rodgers has yet to start “throwing guys open” , but that comes with time as the game slows down for him. Holding the ball too long is also a mark of inexperience. Do you really think a guy that has risen to the highest levels in pro football is thinking of his stats while Jerod Allen is bearing down on him? There is no scout in the NFL that isn’t predicting great things for Rodgers going forward. Meanwhile, Pep is down in Detroit with a fork in his back. I see where you’re coming from, but you took the wrong fork (in the road).

  37. footballrulz says: Nov 14, 2009 1:45 PM

    Oh yeah Bluestree
    One of the reasons I come to this site is just to read some of the posts of some of my favorite posters which include:
    PervyHarvin, Chickenfoot, Beer Cheese Soup, you gotta love Supersuckers “I’m embarassed for ya”, Adam-Chris, Deb, cfuska, GBIS, SmackMyVickUp, & believe it or not, yours. I’m sure I’m leaving out some. I may certainly not agree with all of them but usually pretty entertaining reading.
    Of course there are some that I usually just scroll right by without bothering to read because it;s just trite, infantile, BS which really brings nothing to the party. You know, kinda like the guy that comes to your Superbowl party with a bag of oranges.
    Generally, I try to stay out of the smack talk but on occassion the sheer stupidity of ones posts brings out the worst in me and then I have to do the Larry the Cable Guy “Oh Lord, please forgive me for that” bit.
    Peace bro.

  38. bluestree says: Nov 14, 2009 1:59 PM

    @footballrulz; you say “Although he hit many more than he didn’t, this habit does lead to INT’s. I’ll take the INT’s along with all the other records. Wouldn’t you?”
    Yeah, I would, but over the years I’d probably get tired of it and push Farve out the door, and I’d likely lose my job over it.
    Now you tell me……watching him play this year, don’t you wonder what would have happened if this was how Farve played when we had Ahman, the O line and an overachieving defense?

  39. bluestree says: Nov 14, 2009 2:14 PM

    @footballrulz again: “The one part of his game that he needs to work on is timing with his receivers and having the ball arrive when they make their break. Of course since MM insists on throwing the damn ball 25 or 30 yards down the field on every other play, coupled with the fact that Rodgers can’t take 2 steps without having his & the opposing lineman in his way, timing is kinda hard to get.”
    This be for true, mon.

  40. PervyHarvin says: Nov 14, 2009 2:25 PM

    footballrulz says:
    November 14, 2009 1:45 PM
    You know, kinda like the guy that comes to your Superbowl party with a bag of oranges.
    LMAO thought that dude only came to my party! Nice to see others have to deal with him lol

  41. The Notorious V.I.C. says: Nov 14, 2009 2:33 PM

    ===”Regardless of how it all turns out, Jackson has impressed us more by not playing than he ever did while on the field”===
    Yeah, because I’m sure Tarvaris Jackson stays up at night worrying about what the cheesedick hacks at ProFootballTalk think about him. Hacks who know nothing about the game of football. (Oh, don’t get me wrong, they know the names of the players and they know how to report on a bunch of Joan Rivers-type gossipy fluff, but they don’t know anything about the actual game)

  42. footballrulz says: Nov 14, 2009 2:50 PM

    bluestree-you speaketh the truth mon 😉

  43. Why Isn't Jackson Starting? says: Nov 14, 2009 3:53 PM

    Tarvaris Jackson is definitely the future of the team. You can never count someone with his work ethic out.
    And to whoever said Sage isn’t being paid to be he #3 guy…first of all, apparently he is. Second of all, he’ll only be the #2 guy when Brent is gone.

  44. SwedishMurderMachine says: Nov 14, 2009 4:47 PM

    Tavaris Jackson : good guy … terrible quarterback.
    Every year we hear about how this guy has “grown” as a QB and yet once the games start it is always the same deer in headlights that takes the field. Now apparently he has “grown” by standing on the sidelines holding a clipboard with his hat on backwards.
    Having a good QB this year just made it crystal clear how truly horrible our QB’s were before Favre came to town.
    He will never be the Vikings starting QB again.

  45. purpleguy says: Nov 14, 2009 5:43 PM

    As much as I’ve hoped, it just doesn’t seem like TJack reads the D’s well enough, hasn’t improved his mechanics, and still has accuracy issues (which is basically everything important in a QB). After a year of being spoiled by Favre, the difference likely will be more pronounced next year. He has handled himself well during his time here, but I don’t think he’s the answer. Sage is the one with 2 more years on his contract, and TJack is the backup only because they’ve got wildcat plays in the system for him. The ironic thing is that with as crappy as the Bears and Pack have been playing, even TJack could have led this team to an NFC North title.

  46. Osterhouse says: Nov 14, 2009 9:33 PM

    Sam Bradford. Vikings pick next year. I’ll let that sink in for a little while before i fill in the pea brains on how this and why this will occur.

  47. Richm2256 says: Nov 14, 2009 10:21 PM

    leatherneck = T-Jack’s mom

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